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3 Buckeyes Return For 2024, Parker Fleming OUT, Top-100 Recruit Commits, Nick Saban Retires · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Hello, everybody, Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning, a very very special live
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  episode of buck Eyes Tomorrow Morning for Thursday, January eleventh. I'm your host,
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  Tom Or. The Akron game is in two hundred and thirty three days.
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  The game against Michigan in three hundred and twenty four days. Oh boy,
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  is there some stuff to talk about today? We're gonna be talking about
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  a whole bunch of stuff. Three Ohio State Buckeyes announced they're going to be
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  back for the twenty twenty four season. A change on the Ohio State coaching
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  staff, and you hire on the Ohio State coaching staff, some rumors about
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  potential future changes on the Ohio State coaching staff. And oh, by the
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  way, maybe probably almost definitely the greatest coach in the history of college football
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  announces that he's going to be retiring. Oh boy, is there stuff to
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  talk about. We're gonna be talking about it with Tony Gerdaman and shortly with
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  Kevin Noon of Buckeye Huddle dot Com. Tony, are you the Nick Saban
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  of Ohio State podcasting or are you the Parker Fleming of Ohio State podcasting?
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  Two names in the news today which one would you say better fits you and
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  your million, I would say neither. I would say, because one thing
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  I can do is I can succeed into Big ten, whereas Nick Saban could
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  not. So I'm not saying I'm better than Nick Saban. I'm just saying
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  he couldn't do what I do. And I think there's proof of that because
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  he isn't. So there you go, there you go. What else could
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  there be Tony Gerdaman able to deliver in the Upper Midwest? Nick Saban?
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  I mean, he's with the Browns and then you got fire, and then
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  he's with the Michigan State and played had one pretty good evening in central Ohio
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  in early November of nineteen ninety eight. We'll get to that, but first
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  we got to talk about some of the other more specifically Ohio State news today
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  and not one, not two, three buck Eyes announced they are back for
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  the twin twenty four season. We're going to start with the offensive line.
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  Donovan Jackson. He did not have the single greatest season really known on the
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  offensive line had the single greatest season. But for Donovan Jackson to be back
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  Tony, that feels like that just sort of crosses one really significant line off
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  of the potential to do list for Ohio State in terms of filling an open
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  position. Getting Donovan Jackson back feels like that's kind of like a sneaky,
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  low key, pretty big deal. Yeah, imagine the alternative without him and
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  then you start getting worried about what are they going to do? So having
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  him back eliminates an issue of trying to figure out who would because Tom I
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  couldn't tell you right now who it would be at left guard if there's no
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  Downovan Jackson should remember a year ago we were talking about him as being potentially
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  the Ohio State left tackle to give you an idea of the athleticism and the
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  potential of him. So getting him back at left guard, regardless of the
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  year he had or didn't have this past year, is huge, not just
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  because now you don't have to worry about it, but you don't have to
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  worry about what could have been, and because it wouldn't have been good.
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  It wouldn't have been as good as this, especially now with the portal you
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  know, being what it is like with if they didn't have Donovan Jackson coming
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  back. Remember the panic that was in Ryan Day's voice last winter about the
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  offensive line there would be some panic in the voice about the interior of the
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  Ohisted offensive line without him coming back. And so you get him, it's
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  gonna be a senior, what a three year starter at that you know at
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  some point next year. So just a very big thing for an offensive line
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  that has received a bunch of criticism for a very poor showing in the Cotton
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  Bowl. But I think is trending towards being better than it was this past
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  season. Yeah, for sure. And it feels like if you got Donovan
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  Jackson and you can kind of write him in with with pen there sharpie at
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  your left guard position, and feels like Josh Simmons has probably pretty much got
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  the left tackle spot more or less lockdown. You can pretty much write him
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  in there with Sharpie as well. You got a couple options at center.
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  Whether you know you've vote neither neither guy is an absolute lock, but you've
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  got a couple of guys who have started this year and a guy who spent
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  a couple of years starting for Nick Saban as an option there right guard,
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  that's the only spot that we know is going to be open, But again,
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  you've got a couple options there. It just feels like there's a little
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  more stability, a little more security, a few more options there where they
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  can kind of mix and match. As we hear them say every year,
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  it's about finding the best five. It feels like there's just with Donovan Jackson
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  there, he's gonna be one of the best five. But that just increases
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  the number of options and the Okay, this guy can't play tackle, but
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  he could play guard, or this guy can you know, play guard and
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  center. There's just more options to find who your best five are there.
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  So that's that's gonna be a very big piece for them going into the spring
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  and summer. They got some good news on the defensive side of the ball
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  as well. One of the best cornerback rooms in the country. Is that
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  is that too strong, Tony? One of the best cornerback rooms in the
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  country. Yeah. For twenty twenty three, they're bringing back all three guys
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  there, for all three starters there. For twenty twenty four. Jordan Hancock
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  announced after we finished our afternoon live show talking about what a big deal it
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  was that Denzel Burke came was coming back, Jordan Hancock announced he also coming
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  back. So Denzel Burke Jordan Hancock both announcing on Wednesday that they are coming
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  back, and then you get David sigmundosen as back as well. That just
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  feels I don't know, I was trying to think through best Ohio state cornerback
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  rooms ever, and that's a pretty good, you know, best Ohigo back
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  cornerback I say quarterback seasons ever. Maybe I think best ever is probably too
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  high a bar, but this is what top potentially a top five best Ohio
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  state cornerback unit just with those three guys. You know. I don't know
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  that you have two future you know, top half of the first round picks
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  in there, but that's a pretty darn good Ohio state cornerback unit that addresses
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  a lot of the potential concerns about the back end of that defense next year.
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  When you say best cornerback rooms in Ohio state history, I immediately I
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  think a lot of people would think back to I don't know what's at the
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  twenty sixteen with like Denzel Ward and Garyan Conley and who else at that point,
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  or twenty eighteen with Garyan Conley and Jeff Okuda and Sean Wade or Damon
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  Arnett. I My first thought was nineteen ninety six Tom Ty Howard, Antoine
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  Winfield, Sean Springs, Ahmed Plumber like those are all legit dudes, And
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  this one could be right up there because we're not even talking about Jermaine Matthews.
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  And he would be starting at Ohio State next year, I think in
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  any other year. Yeah, And Jermaine Matthews is someone who may be a
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  little more delayed in terms of getting on the field, does not. He
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  tweeted out an emoji that, if I have read my hieroglyphics correctly, is
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  basically he's locked in. So no concern there in terms of Jermaine Matthews leaving.
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  But Kevin, if you Kevin Noon joins us. By the way,
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  Hi Kevin, you know if you do have Jermaine Matthews as your fourth corner,
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  I just go back. You only have to go back two seasons to
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  the twenty twenty two season when Ohio take back to the fourth corner pretty darn
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  early in the season. That was probably Jay R. Brown and he was
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  starting in what the fourth game of the season as a true freshman. If
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  Jermaine Matthews is your fourth corner and you can rotate guys or you can have
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  some more depth in case a guy get you know, misses a week or
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  two. Boy oh boy again. Now now you're not talking best top three.
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  You know, it's one of the best top three corner groups in recent
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  Ohio state history. You're potentially talking maybe the best top four Ohio State corner
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  group in Alasta, you know, decades something like that. That just feels
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  like it's just a little more insurance for Ohio State to go past that top
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  three and still have Jermaine Matthews and some of the other guys I got in
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  that room as well. As we said on one of the seven shows that
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  we've done today, there could be a lot of football to be played this
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  year with the twelve team playoff and more rounds potentially, and of Ohio State
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  ends up winning the Big Ten, you had a thirteenth game right off the
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  bat. I would like to have more depth at these positions. We talk
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  about a pair and a spare, and when you're playing two corners a pair
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  and a spare, wouldn't that be six corners or just based off of you
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  know, off of two and then you know, if you're playing three corners,
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  if your nickel is actually a corner, I mean, we're you know,
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  we're getting into advanced math here and things that you know, my math
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  five oh at Ohio State isn't going to get this gets covered. So you
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  know, I don't think that there's any real concern that Jermaine Matthews is going
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  to wither away from boredom on the bench. I think he will get enough
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  run for sure. Advanced math is when Kevin has to take his socks off.
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  Sue in the chat mentions Calvin Simpson Hunt, and he is, you
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  know, presumably number five there in that rotation. And really, when we're
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  talking about corners, Jordan Hancock's in the slot. That's sort of a safety.
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  It's not entirely a corner. Calvin Simpson Hunt. Jermaine Matthews is sort
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  of the next man up potentially as the outside corners. Calvin Simpson Hunt another
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  guy who you go through last year, and why did number Jeri ra Brown
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  who started that Wisconsin game in twenty twenty two He is now at LSU.
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  And one of the reasons is it feels like Calvin Simpson Hunt maybe pasted him
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  on the depth chart. They like him a lot as well. Tons of
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  speed speed to burn there. And you know, again, if you don't
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  have to throw a second year guy out there as a starter. That's a
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  good thing. You potentially have you work him into more of a rotation there.
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  That is just that is a very very deep and very very talented room
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  there at corner for Ohio State in twenty twenty four with the returns of Jordan
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  Hancock and Denzel Burke. So that was part of the news on Wednesday.
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  Now let's move on to the news that I think a large section based on
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  the retweets on the tweet from bucke huddle dot com, the news that a
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  lot of Ohio State fans were waiting for for quite a while. There is
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  a change in the Ohio State coaching staff coming for the special teams unit.
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  Parker Fleming out he will not be back for his final season of his contract
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  going into twenty twenty four. That opens up another spot on the Ohio State
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  coaching staff. Not really a surprise, Kevin. This is news that I
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  mean. First of all, the sort of initial leak late last week from
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  football Scoop said, yeah, there's probably gone a change on the special teams
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  unit, which he didn't. You know, there's only one guy on the
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  special teams unit. So that makes that a pretty pretty easy piece of math
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  to do with or without your shoes on. It does it doesn't, you
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  know, I don't think this is a big surprise. It does feel like
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  this is something that something that just needed to do, you know, a
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  change that needed to be made so that we could, you know, Ohio
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  State could potentially balance that that coaching staff out a little bit, bringing on
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  another defensive court, a defensive coach potentially. Yeah, and we'll get to
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  the super chat in a minute, a very important superchat from super poster Jordan
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  Kapeler because twenty four to hell with or Yeah, it was very you know,
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  I think it was a move that needed to be made on so many
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  different levels. Special teams was not good. I made a post, I
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  think on the huddle board saying that if special teams were uncoached, probably would
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  have had about the same results. And I know maybe that's a little harsh,
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  but the special teams results were not very good this year, and it
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  gives you the opportunity, as Tom had mentioned, to rebalance your staff,
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  get maybe the right people into the right roles, and kind of get on
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  with your lives. And I think that's going to be important for the Buck
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  guys with some of the other changes that have been rumored or whatever may be,
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  as as Ohio State retools and gets ready for for twenty four twenty four
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  with a certainly much more bolstered roster of veteran players, and we'll see,
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  you'll know, We'll see what's in the cards for coaches. You mentioned the
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  retweets. I hope Parker Fleming does not look at Twitter to that tweet from
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  Buckeye Huddle and look at the quote tweets and the replies. A lot of
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  celebrating going on on the internet when that news broke and it was time it
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  kind of had to happen. Well, I think there were a couple different
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  elements to the why this was a change that a lot of people were sort
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  of anticipating was going to happen, and why people were maybe relatively happy to
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  see it happen. One is a lot of teams don't have a dedicated special
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  teams coach, and if you have a dedicated special teams coach, you would
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  certainly expect to see something pretty remarkable out of the special teams. If you're
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  the guy who's in charge of just this one thing Basically he worked a little
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  bit the secondary too, but he was a special teams coordinator. If you
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  were the special teams coordinator and you and some teams don't have a special teams
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  coordinator, you would expect if you're going to dedicate that resource and that staff
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  position, because they the number of accountable assistants is capped at ten. Those
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  are the guys who can go on the road and recruit. So if you're
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  going to dedicate one of those to be a special teams coach, you would
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  expect to see something remarkable out of this teams at least every once in a
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  while. And it felt like every time you notice the Ohio State Special teams,
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  it was oops, we ran the wrong fake punt. Oops, we
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  ran a fake punt where we weren't supposed to. Oops, are our returner
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  caught fair? Caught the ball on the five? Oops, we missed another
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  field goal. Oops. It was just it was just oops, I did
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  it again in a remix that no one was asking for. So that I
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  think is part of the conversation. The other part, obviously that you want
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  to balance the staff where they had five of the accountable assistants on the offensive
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  side of the ball, plus a head coach on the offensive side of the
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  ball, one guy on special teams, and then four assistants on the defensive
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  side of the ball. So it was really kind of like five and a
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  half, four and one. That is not a formation that is going to
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  work in soccer. It is not a formation that is going to work really
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  particularly well in college football. They seem like they may be on track to
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  rectify that a little bit because as they announced that Parker Funn was no longer
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  going to be a member of the staff, they also announced that Matt Greary
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  is going to be back as a member of the staff. Tony he has
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  worked what seven years prior with Jim Knowles at a couple of different stops,
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  including Duke. He actually was a QC guy at Ohio State a couple of
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  years ago before very briefly being like the Manny Diaz stay at Temple kind of
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  stay as a defensive coordinator under Kevin Wilson at Tulsa before then being the co
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  DC at Indiana. Before then Tom Allen and crew got all were let go
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  at the end of the season. This feels like we talk a lot about
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  alignment. This feels like a hire where. Okay, if you have Matt
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  Greary running your safety room and he's worked with Jim Knowles for seven years,
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  and Jim Knowles presumably played a significant role in bringing him back, it feels
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  like you maybe have your alignment sorted out at least on that front. Yeah,
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  one of his guys, Nos's defense knows what he wants to do,
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  a guy that Jim Knowles obviously trusts. And while the Ohio State safeties were
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  very good this year, I don't think they were very good in twenty twenty
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  two. I think Ronnie Hickman dipped. And that's why it's kind of so
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  surprising he's playing so well in Cleveland right now, is because you didn't expect
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  that based on what we saw from him last year. Lathan Ransom, Josh
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  Proctor had injuries and things like that, but both of those guys were outstanding
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  this year. Sunny Styles was very good. So I thought the safeties were
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  a pretty big surprise this year. And I think a lot of that credit
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  obviously goes to Perry Aliano. But when we talked to Ryan day was its
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  signing day. When talking about the assistant coaches, what's the number one thing
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  they need to do, and I think he said recruit, and that's something
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  that Perry Alliano struggled with and landing the top guys Ohio State could get visits,
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  they just couldn't get the guys signed in terms of the five stars.
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  And so I think all that that finally came home to roost. But you
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  know, we have no idea can Matt Gary recruit. You know, he's
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  been at Duke for most of his career and as you said, the end
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  of this past year, hard to judge what a guy does at those two
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  places. So we'll see younger guy will be able to relate to the players,
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  as they say. But you know that's I guess you get a couple
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  of years to find out this is gonna be a one year dealer or a
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  two year deal. Most assistant coaches don't get beyond two years in terms of
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  their contracts. So you got to put up her shut up pretty quickly.
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  And so now you have Matt Greary in. He obviously is sliding in for
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  the the Perry Eleano spot as the safety's coach. With Parker Fleming gone,
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  now there is another open spot on the coaching staff available for someone, and
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  I think all year, we sort of assumed, Okay, Parker fleming out,
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  James laurnid is in bing bang boom, nice eat easy one to one
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  for one swap, and now you're sort of hearing Kevin, this may be
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  a not so fast my friend's situation. A lot of smoke around the fact
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  that James Laurniis may stay as a GA for another year graduate assistant and not
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  be one of those ten accountable coaches. And there has been also a lot
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  of smoke around one particular name, a rather big name defensive line coach who
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  seems like maybe there might be some kind of a plan in the works for
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  potentially some kind of a transition whenever Larry Johnson decides to hang him up.
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  So what have you heard on that that that you can share. Yes,
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  definitely, I'll do that, and then we'll get to your after week comment
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  on that, we'll get to the super chat Jordan Kapler. Certainly a name
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  that's been thrown around is Jason Taylor, the former NFL player who's currently the
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  D line coach at the University of Miami Florida, not Ohio, and there
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  seems to be some genuine interest there. Ohio State has definitely bent his ear.
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  I have talked to sources on both sides of things there, and everybody
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  is telling me that there is very real conversation going on. And this would
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  be a position of where you come in and be in like some sort of
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  co position with Larry and you are the future. You are going to be
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  the guy that it's going to be handed off to. You will then have
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  the continuity that is necessarily necessary in recruiting. Maybe that helps bridge some of
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  the things that have happened with the losses of guys like Dylan Stewart and Marky's
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  Lightfoot and Justin Scott and then going back a year, Kean Keeley and maybe
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  another bite at that apple, and we'll talk about that one in a minute.
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  But yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens there, because once
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  names start to rise to the surface to that point that I can get multiple
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  people to talk to me and then off the record again but not burning any
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  sources here by talking about this, it seems that a lot of the due
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  diligence has been done, and you know, this is something that's either going
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  to be thumbs up or thumbs down, and in relatively short order. In
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  my opinion, now, are we going to get another news dump day on
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  Thursday or Friday like we had today. The part of me that doesn't like
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  to work says, I sure, hope not. The part of me that
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  likes to stay employed says, yes, let's get another one of those.
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  I'm fine doing six shows in a day, but yeah, it'll be interesting
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  to see for that. I think a lot of people associate Jason Taylor with
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  his time with the Miami Dolphins as a pro In college, he was an
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  akron zip and he was I think he's a western Pennsylvania guy, if I
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  remember correctly, So coming to the Midwest would not be a completely you know,
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  a complete unknown, That wouldn't be a completely random move for him to
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  be good, you know, to if he did end up coming up to
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  Ohio State. And you think about all the different guys that Miami has sort
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  of poached from Ohio State over the last few cycles. Guys who Ohio State
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  either thought they were going to get, or who Ohio State was maybe leading
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  for, or Ohio State was he maybe had committed at one point who then
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  ended up down at Miami. You wonder if, maybe if Jason Taylor makes
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  a trip from Miami to Columbus. Maybe you'd get some guys down there rethinking
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  some decisions and maybe get a player or two out of it as well.
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  So that's the Ohio state coaching news. Before we get to the big All
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  Caps national coaching news, let's address Jordan Kapler super chat. He says,
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  if everyone's strading this correctly, Tony and Kevin are the pair, and that
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  makes Tom the spare, but one of those little donut ones. Right,
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  let me tell you something. You get a flat tire out in the middle
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  of nowhere, you're happy for any spare you got. Am I wrong?
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  Gentlemen, You're going about thirty miles an hour. You have to have your
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  blinkers on. You're probably pulling to the left and into traffic. I mean,
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  it's just not a good situation. I mean, you may as well
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  use fix a flat or call triple A or something like that. Using the
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  donut is just it's not recommended. It's not recommended use in last resort.
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  Plus you're only supposed to use it for like fifty miles, and this is
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  at least the fourth time we've used it, and it's gotta six hundred miles
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  on it. So it's as bald as my head. How far can you
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  drive on a on a flat? Maybe maybe employ that part of it.
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  But all right, can we just start calling time? Little Donut? Is
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  that your rap name? I'm just thinking of the John Belushi Little Chocolate Donuts
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  commercial now, which that feels maybe maybe more fitting. All right, so
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  it's not all right? So now we got to talk. We got to
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  talk about the big news of the day. The big news of the day,
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  Nick Saban hanging it up, retiring as the head coach of Alabama.
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  There are a million different directions we can go with this one. I think
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  we have to start with Nick Saban and Ohio State, his history with the
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  Ohio State two games at Ohio State fans probably not going to want to think
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  about one game that Ohio State fans consider one of their very favorite games,
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  probably to think about over the last few years, Tony, which one do
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  you want to start with? Do you want to do this sequentially? Do
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  we want to do this in terms of favorite Ohio State memories to least favorite?
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  Do we want to get the bad one out of the way first?
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  One of the bad ones out of the way first? Which which one do
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  you want to do first. Well, yeah, let's go ahead and get
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  the bad one out of the way first. And I'm still not totally unconvinced
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  that if Nick Saban and Michigan State do not win that game in nineteen ninety
• 23:22
  eight, he is not back in nineteen ninety nine. That then allows him
• 23:26
  to get the LSU job, because I think he finished with like seven and
• 23:30
  six and ninety eight something like that, and obviously that six and six Yeah,
• 23:34
  so there you go. So that was a very big win. And
• 23:37
  it hadn't been a super successful couple of years for Saban there, but they
• 23:42
  got that win and he turned it into Boy, that guy cashed that win
• 23:48
  in. He's cashed in. That's like not unlike Mel Tucker cashing in like
• 23:53
  one little thing into a big payday. Nick Sdabn, Nick daven turned that
• 23:59
  win into like seven car dealerships, which is pretty amazing. It is pretty
• 24:04
  amazing. He has you go back and you think coached at head coach of
• 24:10
  Toledo for one year, I mean Nick Saban coaching at Toledo and Urban Meyer
• 24:14
  coaching at Bowling Green. It's like, boy, that is those are some
• 24:17
  big, big names in Northwest Ohio and then you know, goes from Toledo
• 24:22
  to the Cleveland Browns, to Michigan State to LSU to the Miami Dolphins and
• 24:26
  then Alabama and yeah, what undoubtedly going to be remembered as one of,
• 24:30
  if not the greatest coaches in college football history. But Kevin he did lose
• 24:37
  the first night game in college football playoff history in the twenty fourteen season.
• 24:42
  I were you there? You were you were you at that game? Okay,
• 24:47
  what go ahead? And after Tony brought them up, after Tony brought
• 24:51
  the mood down, why don't you bring everyone back up with the twenty fifteen
• 24:56
  Sugar Bowl? Thank you. I'm glad I'm able to follow up after Tony,
• 24:59
  who was known internally as Buzz Killington. The twenty fourteen game was something.
• 25:07
  Alabama was the one. Ohio State was the four. Obviously, as
• 25:10
  we're reliving all these good memories, Ohio State down to its third quarterback with
• 25:15
  Cardale Jones, goes into Indy and beats Wisconsin fifty nine. Nothing goes to
• 25:22
  the Sugar Bowl to take on heavily favored Alabama. It was supposed to be
• 25:26
  a wipeout, and even as the game kind of started, Ohio State was
• 25:32
  moving the ball and having to settle for three and we know that's never going
• 25:36
  to be good. And then the Buckeyes poured it on. Zeke Elliott had
• 25:40
  some sort of run through the South and then for whatever reason, Urban got
• 25:44
  greedy and tried to go deep late to try and drive the dagger right through
• 25:51
  their heart. Did not connect their Alabama scores. And then Alabama has the
• 25:55
  ball once again with a shot to win. At the end of the game,
• 25:57
  Tyvus Powell, every buddy's favorite, steps in, makes the play and
• 26:02
  then starts running and everybody in scarlet and gray in the in the Superdome is
• 26:07
  yelling, just go down already. They do. Celebration ensues and Ohio State
• 26:12
  goes on to win the first college football playoff. And what I will remember
• 26:17
  most out of that game is that some way, somehow, Lane Kiffin talked
• 26:21
  Nick saban In to stop running Derrick Henry for whatever reason, and that was
• 26:26
  that was a big focal point, as Derrick Henry was really problematic. Yeah,
• 26:32
  Lane Kiffin. You always think of Lane Kiffin throwing his play sheet in
• 26:34
  the air in celebration for you know, when they score a touchdown. I
• 26:38
  think Ohio Sid's defensive coaching staff was throwing their play sheets in the air in
• 26:41
  celebration as they forgot they had Derrick Henry and thought, you know, Jake
• 26:48
  Coker, that's that's the money, that's that's how this is gonna game's going
• 26:52
  to get one interesting that Lane Kiffin is not one of those names that you're
• 26:55
  seeing on the lists in terms of who's going to replace Nick say Been at
• 27:00
  Alabama. I guess let's take a quick run quick everyone, just throw out
• 27:04
  your name. Who is gonna be? Is? Who is it going to
• 27:07
  be? I am gonna say I think Dan Lanning from Oregon might be the
• 27:15
  might be the guy I think is the most most likely to end up there.
• 27:19
  But I have seen pretty good arguments for several other names as well.
• 27:25
  Yeah, I'm yeah, go ahead, I'm giving it to you. Buzz
• 27:29
  okay, buzz, I'm with you. Dan Lanning or Hugh Freeze. One
• 27:33
  of those two. We'll see. I'm not sure what part of that is
• 27:38
  funniest all of it. Dan Lanning is the choice there in my opinion,
• 27:45
  and real quick back to when I was a civilian, way back when I
• 27:48
  worked, one of my coworkers his wife was the niece of Nick Saban,
• 27:53
  And when he signed like his new deal with LSU, and he was already
• 27:59
  like the I just paid college football coach, and I was just looking at
• 28:02
  it now. His new deal paid him like one point six million dollars a
• 28:06
  year back in like two thousand and one, two thousand and two, So
• 28:11
  twenty years later and you could paid him twenty million dollars a year at Alabama
• 28:15
  and he still would have been a bargain. As for my replacement, obviously,
• 28:19
  I think Lanning is the betting favorite right now. I think that Lane
• 28:25
  Kiffin has kind of been waiting in a holding pattern for that job to open
• 28:30
  up. Will he get the opportunity. I also know that that Dabo Sweeney
• 28:34
  had been rumored to be the heir apparent until Clemson started to go a little
• 28:38
  downhill. And Dabo does not have visions of Nil and things of that in
• 28:45
  his in his dreams. So I don't think that he is the guy I
• 28:51
  go round and round, But I think Lane Kiffin is a guy that makes
• 28:53
  sense to me twenty fourteen. Notwithstanding it would be entertaining, yeah, would
• 29:02
  it would definitely be entertaining whoever it is, And I don't I don't think
• 29:07
  they're going to go for Kiffin. I think Kiffin has not quite established himself
• 29:11
  as let's just say, a grown up for long enough that it's worth you
• 29:18
  know that that he's probably gonna be someone who's in there. But I I
• 29:22
  think whoever that is, you don't ever want to be the guy after the
• 29:26
  guy, right That's that feels like that's never that never works out for seven
• 29:33
  million dollars a year, does it matter? You know? For like you're
• 29:36
  going to sign a four or five year deal, so this is going to
• 29:38
  be twenty five to forty million dollars. I'll be the guy after the guy,
• 29:42
  you know I'll be I'll be the guy after Nick Saban for that,
• 29:45
  and when I get fired after four years, they'll end up going back to
• 29:48
  I don't know, Syracuse and rebuilding from there or just you know, do
• 29:55
  TV or whatever else, like you can do whatever you want after one contract
• 30:00
  in Alabama. I want to read the super chat because I want to read
• 30:03
  it as is as somebody took it down. Speakman six oh six, sorry
• 30:08
  not sorry, you guys ate boring and sick booie. Well thank you for
• 30:14
  your two dollars speed man. You know type, so good new rule and
• 30:18
  super chats. They need to be at least five dollars and in English.
• 30:22
  All right. Next up, let's talk about the potential recruiting impact of Nick
• 30:26
  Saban not being in the not being the head coach of Alabama. All right,
• 30:30
  super chat quick for you, Kevin, For you, Kevin, You'll
• 30:36
  always be my brother, always support you, always have and will continue to.
• 30:38
  So please as so please as McChicken where he will do the same to
• 30:44
  put your money where your mouth is. So there we go, so thank
• 30:45
  you, dueling super chats. I like it, all right, So I
• 30:52
  do want to talk a little bit about the recruiting impact for Nick Saban leaving
• 30:56
  Alabama, because you've already seen there was already one five star receiver who was
• 31:02
  committed to Alabama, didn't sign in December and then is essentially reopening his commitment,
• 31:07
  decommitting, reopening his recruitment before he signs in February. Didn't sound like
• 31:12
  that was one where Ohio State might get involved, But boy, Alabama has
• 31:15
  a lot of talented players, and a lot of talented players at Ohios date
• 31:18
  has been trying to recruit over the years, Caleb Downs being probably the one
• 31:23
  that is sort of first and foremost, you know, probably in a lot
• 31:26
  of people's minds, and in a position where a house date might not mind
• 31:30
  having another talented at five star type player. How big of a you know,
• 31:36
  this is when you lose your head, coach, the transfer portal opens
• 31:40
  up for thirty days. You can anyone who is at Alabama can jump back
• 31:44
  in the portal. Yes, the transfer portal window closed as soon as Nick
• 31:47
  Saban said bye. That portal opens up again for thirty days. Is there
• 31:52
  anyone Kevin that you think other than Caleb Downs, who I think is sort
• 31:57
  of the obvious one. Is there any anyone that Ohio State has been involved
• 32:00
  with in the past in terms of high school recruiting that you know, if
• 32:05
  that's if that person went in the portal, you think that would be sort
• 32:07
  of at the top of Ohio State's list. What is Caleb Downs? You
• 32:13
  told me not Caleb Downs. Yes, most of the roster, to be
• 32:16
  quite honest, But I think that Keon Keeley is a name that makes sense.
• 32:22
  I think you could sit there and look maybe on the offensive line.
• 32:24
  I mean, I don't know. I mean jac Latham had kind of a
• 32:27
  rough season, so it's Seth McLoughlin. If we're really looking at things,
• 32:31
  if you believe at PFF numbers, I mean, Ohio State and Alabama recruit
• 32:37
  against each other all the time, so there's not going to be a shortage
• 32:42
  of guys. So I think really what it comes down to is you look
• 32:44
  at what Ohio State's needs are and then you cross reference against what Alabama has,
• 32:49
  and that's kind of where you go. So we know, obviously offensive
• 32:52
  line, they probably would love to get a tackle, So you look at
• 32:54
  the tackles for Alabama and see what's going on there. While I don't think
• 32:59
  that, well, I don't think that Caleb Downs on the surfaces like addresses
• 33:04
  greatest need Ohio State has. He's Caleb Downs. He's pretty damn special.
• 33:07
  You try to figure that one out. I've not had a chance to really
• 33:13
  go through Alabama's roster because the last time I watched Alabama they were just I
• 33:20
  know, I can't even come up with the word. They were just staggering
• 33:22
  around the field against the team up north and never really got to see any
• 33:25
  offensive player do anything of of of consequence in that game. So, uh,
• 33:31
  you can be sure that Mark Pantoni and the staff at Ohio State is
• 33:35
  certainly creating a wish list and then seeing who takes advantage of the thirty day
• 33:39
  portal entry. I still don't necessarily have clarifications of once that happens, if
• 33:45
  you have to actually file n C to a paperwork to go into the portal.
• 33:50
  How how that system works. I assume it works under the normal mechanism
• 33:53
  of you you have to actually go to the effort to enter the portal.
• 33:58
  But there probably a lot of high school coaches out there, of all the
• 34:02
  Alabama kids who are getting phone calls of so is your kid happy down there?
• 34:07
  And just you know, however, you can keep it just one level
• 34:10
  away from direct contact. Yeah, if you look up and down their recruiting
• 34:17
  classes, you just see a bunch of tackles that Ohio State missed on,
• 34:21
  you know, like even like Olas Alennins a freshman this year, Caden Proctor
• 34:28
  another one, and Chase Latham was already mentioned. So there are guys that
• 34:32
  Ohio State fans would be familiar with, and obviously the Ohio State staff would
• 34:36
  be familiar with as well. I mean, shoot, even a guy like
• 34:38
  ty Lockwood at tight End who used to be committed to Ohio State was a
• 34:43
  freshman this year. You know, Richard Young, the running back that Ohio
• 34:45
  State was in on for a long time, it's a freshman this year for
• 34:50
  Alabama. Somebody asked if Kean Keeley played. I do not see any stats
• 34:54
  for him this year, So I'm going to assume that's a no. But
• 35:00
  you know, that's a guy right there that they could get involved with.
• 35:02
  And frankly, given the way oh I've seen, is going to lose defensive
• 35:07
  ends after this year, assuming they get JT twem more in a while back.
• 35:10
  And again when we say this year, we mean twenty twenty four.
• 35:14
  There there's there could be some opportunities for some playing time in twenty twenty five
• 35:19
  and frankly even this coming year as they try to get ready for what is
• 35:24
  to come. So this is going to be a I was looking at on
• 35:30
  Twitter to what kind of tweet, What kind of gift should I throw out
• 35:32
  there? Should it be one of those like wedding dress rushes as the doors
• 35:37
  open, people just you know, women are beating each other trying to get
• 35:42
  to the to the dresses or a Black Friday type of thing. I think
• 35:45
  that's what you're going to see. Like if Tim Beckman was still at Illinois,
• 35:49
  he would be you know, he'd have a stand set up across the
• 35:52
  street from the stadium with you know, the doctor is in, come see
• 35:57
  me type of thing, would be trying to talk to anybody he could man
• 36:00
  on the street stuff. And you know, I think you're going to see
• 36:02
  a lot of a lot of coaches in terms of maybe third uncles, street
• 36:07
  agents, things like that. But anymore texts and dms and say hey are
• 36:14
  you happy? How are things? What are you thinking? Or you're sending
• 36:16
  you your talking to parents? Hey, well how's the coaches talking to high
• 36:20
  school coaches? Confidence? Every single player on that roster that is any good?
• 36:25
  And eighty percent of the ones who aren't are going to have people reaching
• 36:30
  out about them. Well, and I've seen people saying it's still Alabama,
• 36:34
  they're going to be They're going to hang on to all their people. You
• 36:37
  got to remember where we are in the college football calendar. You can't have
• 36:40
  other people going into the portal until April. Everyone else's people are already in
• 36:46
  the portal or already you know, are stuck on their rosters for several more
• 36:51
  months. Everyone has holes to fill. Ohio State is not the only team
• 36:54
  with holes to fill, and players from Alabama give you an opportunit to upgrade
• 37:00
  your roster pretty much every program, pretty much every position group. So you've
• 37:05
  got the market is now potentially open, and I think people are able to,
• 37:09
  you know, slide through the side door to get to people, whether
• 37:14
  that's contacting parents or contacting third uncles or contacting high school coaches. You're gonna
• 37:19
  have the Tim Beckmans and you know, the the modern better versions of Tim
• 37:23
  Beckman's doing that. And this is you remember Hodor from uh from Game of
• 37:30
  Thrones, where he's got he's got to just stand there and hold back this
• 37:35
  horde of people coming trying to go through the door. That feels like that's
• 37:39
  gonna be Alabama's personnel people, because Georgia would be able to improve the roster
• 37:45
  with some of the guys from Alabama. Ohio State would be able to improve
• 37:50
  their roster with some of the guys from Alabama. Everyone would be able to
• 37:52
  improve the roster with some of the guys from Alabama. You gotta figure if
• 37:58
  everyone is going to make an offer for your guys, not that that ever
• 38:01
  happens, but if everyone is going to make an offer for you guys.
• 38:04
  You can't match everyone's best offer from every you know, for forty different players
• 38:08
  at the same time, while you're also trying to hire a new coach.
• 38:13
  I think I think you're gonna see some talent matriculating in and out of Tuscaloosa
• 38:19
  over the next four to six months. Super Chat. Yeah, well,
• 38:22
  I was just gonna say, especially when you're talking about guys that may have
• 38:27
  one or two years of eligibility left, I think the assumption is is that
• 38:31
  Alabama isn't going to lose its brain and hire a Shula or Mike Price and
• 38:37
  go through that Rigamaro again, which but there's or rich Rod there. There
• 38:43
  certainly could be a year or two of transition that happens. And if you
• 38:49
  only have a year or two of eligibility left and other schools are out there
• 38:54
  and kind of matching the dollar figures, and one and two or three of
• 38:59
  these schools that are looking at you are in one of the power to conferences.
• 39:01
  Because let's be honest, it's the Big ten and it's the SEC.
• 39:07
  I don't think that there's really a lot holding you back. You could sit
• 39:10
  there and say, yeah, it's it's Bama. Well, that's that's all,
• 39:14
  well and good Ohio State, Georgia, hell Iowa. I mean places
• 39:20
  have helmets and shoulder pads and scholarships and breakfast buffets and all of that,
• 39:24
  just like Alabama does. I mean, maybe Clemson's the only place that has
• 39:29
  slides, but they're in the ACC. So I think we are going to
• 39:32
  see some matriculation. But then what we'll see is we'll see wave two.
• 39:37
  And let's say hypothetically Alabama goes and hires Dan Lanning from Alabama or from Oregon,
• 39:44
  and then we get to the spring portal. Then there'll be a mass
• 39:46
  exodus potentially out of Oregon. Not only are players trying to follow their coach
• 39:52
  to Alabama, but then the players too that are like, well, we
• 39:55
  just lost our head coach, so we're gonna have a lot to talk about
• 39:59
  here. We may have seen a shortening of the portal windows, but this
• 40:04
  late coaching change will create more ripples and there will be players in the portal
• 40:09
  for you know, the foreseeable future. Well, and I'll just say people
• 40:14
  talking about Alabama will keep their players. They've already had twenty players transfer since
• 40:20
  the end of the regular season. So the players are leaving while Nick Stabman
• 40:23
  is there. That's just the way the world, as Tom said, and
• 40:28
  you're also I think gonna see you have for years seen the sort of as
• 40:34
  Kevin said, ripple effect where school A hires school be's coach and then they,
• 40:37
  you know, maybe have players follow that coach. Well, school Be's
• 40:40
  got to hire a coach, and if they're hiring a sitting coach, then
• 40:44
  school see gets involved and you kind of have this ripple effect down the line
• 40:47
  where you know, at some point, maybe you know, if it is
• 40:52
  Dan Lanning, maybe Phil Knight can keep most of those Oregon guys at Oregon.
• 40:57
  Maybe or maybe that maybe they want to follow Dan Lanning from Oregon to
• 41:04
  Alabama. That means Brian Hartline might get a second crack at Jeremiah McClellan.
• 41:08
  If Brian, if Dan Lanning leaves Oregon, and you know, then then
• 41:13
  Oregon potentially is has their whole roster opened up to potentially the portal. So
• 41:19
  this is you know, I don't think this is necessarily the way that the
• 41:22
  powers that be are on college football wanted this to be or were aiming for
• 41:25
  this to be, but it's the way it is, So that is something
• 41:30
  that is going to be a big, a big story to watch. Sort
• 41:32
  of the ripple effects from this moving down the line of college football wherever wherever,
• 41:37
  door number one is that they hire their coach from, and then door
• 41:40
  number two and door number three that follow a super chat from Fort Wayne Buckey.
• 41:45
  Odds Saban joins Game Day next year. I don't know where he's gonna
• 41:50
  go. Wherever he's gonna go, he is immediately going to be probably the
• 41:54
  single best former coach on TV. If you ever watch Nick Saban Presscoon Renferences
• 42:00
  or my actual my real favorites are the Nick Saban Play of the Week where
• 42:04
  he's just sort of diagramming something on the TV and it's just very casual and
• 42:09
  at the end of it, you're like, oh, I understood everything he
• 42:13
  said, and like he explained it so well, and it's so personable.
• 42:16
  He's got such a great personality that you never really saw. But man,
• 42:21
  I don't know if he's going to end up on Big Noon or Game Day,
• 42:24
  but man, oh man, wherever he is, that is going to
• 42:27
  be the show to watch. I think it's going to be. It would
• 42:30
  be ESPN if he does any television, And here's why his familiarity with the
• 42:35
  SEC. The SEC deal is on ESPN, ABC, Fox has no piece
• 42:38
  of the SEC deal. While that doesn't necessarily mean that he couldn't talk about
• 42:45
  the Big Ten and whatever other conferences, it just makes too much sense.
• 42:51
  I think it is a way to sunset Lee Corso a little bit. You
• 42:54
  have you have Nick Saban for Petz. I think that that really rounds up
• 43:00
  the roster. Maybe find a way to lock Dez in the equipment closet and
• 43:05
  go on and profit who says, Tony, Tony, you want to say
• 43:10
  anything? You want to say literally anything. Well, I think let's find
• 43:15
  out exactly why this was such a quick retirement, because as people have reported,
• 43:21
  like he was interviewing coaches yesterday and then suddenly kind of de SAIDs you
• 43:27
  know what, I'm done. So maybe he just wants a break from all
• 43:30
  of it right now, and maybe it's not such a quick turnaround. But
• 43:32
  he is great on television. He's great when he's doing like bowl game studio
• 43:37
  shows and things like that where you know they're already out or whatever, and
• 43:39
  he's the halftime or the pregame, Like he's good with that. He's not
• 43:45
  unlike his his commercials with Dion. You know, that's kind of just how
• 43:49
  he is. It's very very surprising based on the gruffness of what used to
• 43:55
  be Nick David. But he's kind of softened the last couple of year and
• 44:00
  that's probably, guys, why they have not won any national championships of late.
• 44:06
  Do you, guys have a favorite Nick Saban press conference moment? And
• 44:08
  we're gonna keep it PG, so you may have to sort of tap dance
• 44:12
  around it because a lot of the great Nick Saban press conference moments are not
• 44:15
  necessarily PG. I have, I have three. I tweeted about it on
• 44:21
  Wednesday night after the news broke. But do either of you have a favorite
• 44:24
  Nick Saban press conference or media appearance kind of ranch or quote or anything like
• 44:32
  that. It might have been a coaches clinic thing or a booster thing where
• 44:37
  he's talking about miss Terry's wife about how like he stole her from some guy
• 44:45
  and who now like owns a gas station or something, and you know he
• 44:49
  drove her by there a few years back and like, wow, look you
• 44:52
  could have had a gas station something to that effect, and then she had
• 44:55
  some sort of retort I don't remember what it was. I just know she
• 44:59
  yes, he he's driving. You know, she's sees a guy she used
• 45:02
  to date in high school or something, and he's working at the gas station
• 45:07
  in uh because they're both from West Virginia and she's working he's working at the
• 45:10
  gas station and uh, you know, managing the gas station whatever, small
• 45:15
  West Virginia town. And uh, you know, Nick says, boy,
• 45:17
  can you imagine if you've married him, you'd be you know, you'd be
• 45:21
  living living here, married to someone who runs a gas station. She goes,
• 45:23
  hell, if I've married him, he'd be the gad coach of Alabama.
• 45:27
  So yeah, that's a that's a Miss Terry story. Uh, there
• 45:30
  was a great Miss Terry story where you know, Nick is talking about,
• 45:36
  you know, being responsible with your relations with others and you know, don't
• 45:42
  don't get involved with someone who has more to you know, unless they have
• 45:45
  as much or more to lose than you do. And uh, there's that
• 45:51
  there's a great punchline to that story. I'll let you uh, let you
• 45:54
  uh figure that one out on you're on. Yeah, Uh, Kevin,
• 46:00
  did you do you have a favorite Nick Saban because I have I have three
• 46:02
  that I'll go through in a minute, but I do my favorite one I
• 46:07
  can't repeat right now, so I'll just take any reference to rat poison to
• 46:10
  be quite honest, because I just think all of that is is funny,
• 46:15
  especially when he has a bottle of Coca Cola in front of him too,
• 46:17
  And there's probably got to be some ad exec that's like, oh, that's
• 46:22
  not that's not the image that we're going for right now. But uh,
• 46:24
  but yeah, I'm pretty sure you guys have heard my favorite story and I
• 46:29
  just sent it to you in the private chat. I'm gonna check that.
• 46:35
  Uh yeah, that's the that's the one. So the there are three that
• 46:40
  I really love that I tweeted on Wednesday night. I tweeted out a clip.
• 46:45
  Uh, he's doing his radio show and coaches when they do the radio
• 46:49
  show. You know, I think you've found over the years that it used
• 46:52
  to be they take everyone just took calls from the audience, and then they
• 46:57
  started got to the point where they didn't want to take calls anymore because would
• 47:00
  get You know, if you remember the Debo Sweeney radio show from earlier this
• 47:02
  year, there was an incident on there. They don't necessarily want to do
• 47:07
  that, so they found ways around it. There was a caller named pee
• 47:12
  Wee into Nick Saban's radio show. This is a few years back, and
• 47:16
  pee Wee would rant and rave about how they were doing everything wrong. And
• 47:22
  a few weeks later, pee Wee called again and Saban says, oh,
• 47:25
  pee Wee, I'm so glad to hear from you. We have been having
• 47:30
  so much trouble protecting even when the Russian four. I'm hoping you can provide
• 47:36
  some guidance here to help us get through this rough patch. And it was
• 47:39
  just like, man, that is a guy who understands how the game is
• 47:43
  played and understands how it works. So that was a good one. If
• 47:46
  you just google Nick Saban and Tin Horn, that's one of the great rants
• 47:52
  of all time. They were playing. It was like one of the you
• 47:54
  know, it was the SEC Silcon Challenge week midweek press conference, and you
• 48:00
  know it was sort of like, well, obviously you're going to obliterate whoever
• 48:02
  you're going to play. And he went off on this long rant about I
• 48:06
  think it was the Citadel, it might have been Georgia Southern. I mean,
• 48:08
  this is probably like ten years ago. A team that had just run
• 48:12
  all over them in the first half of a game. So if you google
• 48:15
  Nick Saban and Tin Horn you will find that one. And the other one
• 48:20
  is not Nick Saban at the podium, but it was Jordan Battle, the
• 48:24
  speaking of former Ohio state commits who ended up playing for Alabama, a reporter
• 48:30
  asked him, you know, do you have any favorite sayings from coach Saban?
• 48:34
  You know that he uses to motivate you or something like that. I'm
• 48:38
  just gonna say, if you just google Jordan Battle, Nick Saban, and
• 48:43
  D's you'll find it. You've kind of heard the punchline already there. The
• 48:47
  best part of that video is said, he cites a couple of examples,
• 48:52
  and then on the second one you hear what I can only assume is a
• 48:55
  sports information director in the back of the room just kind of yelping no and
• 49:00
  boy. It is one of the great moments, if so, this century
• 49:05
  of sports press conferences. Josh Engles, thank you for the super chat.
• 49:08
  Appreciate always appreciate your your support. John Well, that's his request, Yes,
• 49:15
  Josh says, I'm used to you guys at one one point five time
• 49:17
  speed. Can you speak faster please? I am doing my very best.
• 49:22
  I'm if I drink coffee at this hour, I'll stay up, So that
• 49:24
  is not an option. So I guess Low says, I want to know
• 49:28
  what Phillis from The Fine Bomb Show feels about this boy. The Fine boumb
• 49:31
  Show tomorrow is going to be an all timer fighter, an absolute all timer.
• 49:38
  Okay, so we do have one more piece of news speaking of Hey,
• 49:42
  there's been a lot of news today. This is the kind of thing
• 49:44
  that we would have done an entire show about not that long ago, or
• 49:47
  on a typical day. Oh, by the way, Ohio State landed a
• 49:51
  top one hundred defensive end. Se here mathis that happened on Wednesday today?
• 49:55
  That would have been normally this is the Morning Show. Hooray. Lots of
• 49:59
  conversation about this. We're fifty minutes in oh by the way, Ohio State
• 50:02
  landeday commitment from a top one hundred defensive end today. This is a position,
• 50:07
  Tony where we talked earlier about Larry Johnson and maybe are they working on
• 50:13
  a succession plan there to sort of mitigate some of the retirement rumor stuff that
• 50:17
  they have to deal with every year. If you go back the last couple
• 50:22
  of cycles. This is a spot where they desperately need to be bringing in
• 50:24
  some additional talent because they've had kind of thin classes the last couple of years.
• 50:30
  This is I mean Edward Houston this year, Josh Mickens the year before.
• 50:35
  But this is a position where you know, Larry Johnson is going to
• 50:37
  go down as one of the great recruiters in Ohio State history. But man,
• 50:40
  oh man, this feels like a real big win for him given everything
• 50:44
  that's going on. Yeah, and when he talked about his commitment, he
• 50:47
  talked about Larry Johnson wanting to play for Larry Johnson and not being the biggest
• 50:52
  draw for him. So getting zaher mathis and early in terms of the commitment
• 50:57
  because for years, the last few years, when they've missed out on defense
• 51:00
  ends, it's like Ohio State leads for so long, but there's no commitment.
• 51:05
  And by the end you can see the riding on the wall that they're
• 51:07
  going to go somewhere else to defensive ends. And so now you've got him,
• 51:12
  obviously you've got to keep him. But this is this is a really
• 51:15
  good start for Ohio State. I think four of their six commits in twenty
• 51:19
  twenty five are on defense, all pretty highly ranked and will continue to rise
• 51:23
  up the rankings. Hear Mathis, I think is the number thirty seven player
• 51:27
  in the composite kind of Mark and I talked about this on the Skull Session
• 51:31
  recruiting podcast that yesterday or so. Kind of a Zach Harrison build in terms
• 51:37
  of height. You know, he's sixty six, two thirty but more bend
• 51:42
  than Zach Harrison. So really intriguing prospect. That obviously a good start and
• 51:49
  a reassuring thing in terms of the Ohio state recruiting in my opinion. Yeah,
• 51:54
  I'm going to bring up Nika Hanna's comment because this was something that Mark
• 51:58
  and I talked about on the Skull Session recruiting podcasts today about his commitment,
• 52:04
  and we were talking about what the class could look like. Justin Hills,
• 52:07
  who's in state down in southwest Ohio. So here in Mathis London Merritt,
• 52:12
  who was outside of Atlanta now he's at IMG Academy. That could be your
• 52:15
  three man class right there, and that could be done by June or July,
• 52:21
  and then maybe you go big game hunting for one more defensive end.
• 52:23
  At this point, I mean, obviously you have to address defensive tackle.
• 52:27
  Justin Hill, you have to really like Ohio States chances there dropped the top
• 52:31
  ten. Ohio State's in it. London Merritt visited Ohio State multiple multiple times.
• 52:36
  You know, I always am like, well, I'll believe they get
• 52:38
  a kid out of the Southeast. When they get the kid out of the
• 52:40
  Southeast and they do pretty well, maybe South Florida creates a little bit of
• 52:45
  drama, but IMG is a little further up. But you know, as
• 52:49
  for Mathis, I think that he's somebody that by the time you get him
• 52:52
  to college, you can get him up to two forty five two fifty.
• 52:55
  I mean, he is just a different type of athlete. I think that
• 52:59
  he would fit very well. And since Ohio State missed its number in both
• 53:04
  this class and the previous class, going and getting three or four DS is
• 53:08
  going to be very important. And as we talked about earlier, if Ohio
• 53:13
  State is able to go out and makes the decision to go and pursue Jason
• 53:16
  Taylor, and you know that that gives them again as I said, that
• 53:20
  continuity plan that Okay, maybe Larry isn't going to be there for your entire
• 53:24
  careers here, but you know this, Larry or Jason is going to be
• 53:29
  here, So I think all of that's very important. All right, we're
• 53:32
  coming up on an hour here. I did there are a couple of questions
• 53:35
  we had started to get to real quick, so we want to run through
• 53:38
  some of those. If you have anything else, feel free to throw them
• 53:40
  in our live comments. But Sidney Yoag says, does it seem a little
• 53:44
  dirty that Saban signed a top class and went through portal stuff and then left.
• 53:49
  I think I would wait to find out the why behind the decision in
• 53:53
  terms of you know, there is there are rumors out there, we don't
• 53:57
  know the why behind it. There had been sort of rumors that he was
• 54:01
  at least thinking about making this his last year, even a few months back.
• 54:07
  But I think one thing that makes that not dirty is you know,
• 54:12
  ten years ago, when you signed a guy and then a position coach left
• 54:15
  the next day, he was stuck and he had to sit out a year
• 54:19
  if he wanted to transfer unless you release him from his scholarship. That's not
• 54:22
  the case anymore. As soon as he leaves, the floodgates are wide open,
• 54:25
  and as many Alabama players as want to end of the transfer portal can
• 54:29
  end of the transfer portal. So to me, Tony, this is a
• 54:32
  very different thing than it would have been ten years ago. Yeah, and
• 54:37
  reports now from a few people saying that Saban told the team age and health
• 54:42
  concerns were the driving factors behind this decision. So obviously, being at his
• 54:49
  age, you know, how long do you want to do this? And
• 54:52
  this is shocking because it happened today. It's not shocking that twenty twenty three
• 54:58
  was his last year, you know, because and honestly, once we started
• 55:02
  seeing all of the home and homes a few years back being scheduled, we're
• 55:05
  like, well, he's getting ready to retire. That was one of the
• 55:09
  obvious signs at that point. But yeah, this is you know, this
• 55:15
  is what all coaches do in terms of they don't I don't think this is
• 55:21
  unseemly or anything like that. You hit the point where it's like, you
• 55:24
  know what bad enough and really anything that Nick Staban does, I think you
• 55:30
  give him all of the leeway in the world because he's the best it's ever
• 55:34
  done it in college. One thing that's crazy is we were at Nick Saban's
• 55:39
  last national championship game that was it didn't feel like that was gonna be Nick
• 55:44
  Saban's last national championship when it happened. But in twenty twenty, the COVID
• 55:47
  year down in Miami, Ohio State, a real shorthanded Ohio State team against
• 55:53
  a very very, very very talented Alabama team that was you know, I
• 56:00
  guess Kevin, there was some sort of everyone was always sort of in a
• 56:04
  hurry to tell you that, oh boy, this is this is why Nick
• 56:07
  Saban's on his way out, and oh that he's never going to be able
• 56:09
  to get to the mountaintop again, that you'd had those conversations. He heard
• 56:15
  people have those conversations, and oh boy, the game's passed him by,
• 56:19
  and oh boy, just you know, George's passed him, and this team's
• 56:22
  passed him, and he's never going to get back there. And boy,
• 56:23
  that twenty twenty Alabama team that was a dominant and incredibly talented team, tough
• 56:30
  Borland is still running towards the end zone. At this point, somebody had
• 56:35
  to say it, Uh yeah, I want I kind of want to get
• 56:37
  back to the to the comment about the signing, the class and everything.
• 56:40
  I think that I mean, we certainly don't know for sure the reason everything
• 56:46
  happened. I don't think that there was any gotcha or anything else. I
• 56:52
  mean some players who are early and rolies, well, I've already unpacked my
• 56:54
  clothes. I really don't feel like moving again. But you know, there,
• 57:00
  as Tom mentioned, there's you know, there there are things in place.
• 57:02
  You got thirty days to enter the portal and be able to move and
• 57:06
  everything else. So that's that's not an issue. But as you know,
• 57:09
  as for the other comment question, just yeah, we've been hearing for years
• 57:15
  that Okay, he's going to do this. Okay, he's going to leave
• 57:17
  after twenty he wanted to go after a championship. No, he's not going
• 57:21
  to leave after that. That that's the you know, that's the COVID year.
• 57:23
  That one isn't necessarily the right year. But you know, sometimes there
• 57:28
  are things larger than than the job itself or whatever that create, you know,
• 57:35
  create these crossroads that you come up to and you have to make certain
• 57:37
  decisions. And you know, some of the things that are being bantered about
• 57:42
  or out there are true. I mean, I don't know how you don't
• 57:45
  step away and you know, you you you hope the best for everybody involved,
• 57:50
  and you just kind of you know, you you you go forward with
• 57:53
  it, but it's going to be it's going to be interesting. We're going
• 57:58
  to probably be doing more than just this show talking about Alabama, at least
• 58:02
  in an indirect fashion. All right, And David Greenshield super Chat says,
• 58:08
  I will never forgive Saban for nineteen ninety eight. Tony tried to bring that
• 58:12
  up earlier. We weren't going to have him do it, but you know,
• 58:15
  hey, you know, was that was I think the first time a
• 58:19
  lot of people really were sort of aware of Nick Saban. It was just
• 58:21
  sort of like the Michigan State coach in Ohio State was a twenty four i
• 58:24
  think point favorite in that game and had that game essentially won in the third
• 58:30
  quarter and a series of unfortunate events unfurled, and as Tony said earlier,
• 58:34
  boy that that game basically led to him probably getting the LSU job a year
• 58:40
  later, because they went six and six that year with that and then went
• 58:43
  I think ten and two the next year, and then Saban took the LSU
• 58:46
  job. But yeah, that is still I think the single most shocked I
• 58:52
  have been after a football game where it wasn't you know, you go through
• 58:57
  and there's you know, John Cooper losing to Michigan, John cupperlution to inferior
• 59:01
  Michigan teams. You sort of like, you know, nineteen ninety six Michigan
• 59:05
  game, like, boy, that was a really surprising result, but it
• 59:07
  wasn't you know, it wasn't unheard of. The ninety eight Michigan State game.
• 59:13
  I know, you know, Brian Farrens hanging fifty five points against Ohio
• 59:16
  State in twenty seventeen, the Purdue game in twenty eighteen are probably up there
• 59:21
  in terms of unexpected results, but that ninety eight Michigan State Ohio State game
• 59:24
  is still one of the most shocking thing games I can remember. Ohio State
• 59:30
  are not period anywhere. I remember sitting in the State in the stadium just
• 59:37
  unable to move as the game was over and people were filing out, And
• 59:42
  that was We've talked about it so many times. That was going to be
• 59:45
  a national championship season for Ohio State. They had the best team. Everybody
• 59:47
  knew it, they were rank number one from the start, and then that
• 59:52
  happened. But we don't need to start to show that way. We don't
• 59:53
  need to end the show that way, what else can we talk about?
• 59:58
  Don't get well, I don't get to the tell my ninety eight story.
• 1:00:00
  No, okay, all right, from let's check in with Len says,
• 1:00:07
  how does scholarship limits play into lending more players from the portal? I mean,
• 1:00:12
  in the case of Ohio State right now, they're under eighty five at
• 1:00:16
  the moment, so it's really not a concern. You don't have to be
• 1:00:21
  at eighty five at exactly eighty five until August when camp opens. So if
• 1:00:27
  you're at ninety right now, there have been plenty of years when Ohio State
• 1:00:30
  has been at eighty eight this time of year, it's not a problem.
• 1:00:32
  You know. At this point. Reality is, after spring ball ends,
• 1:00:37
  the portal opens up again, you're gonna have more guys leave. We see
• 1:00:42
  that every year at every program. The guy who is the third year fill
• 1:00:46
  in the blank, fill in the position, who realizes that the second year
• 1:00:50
  guy has passed him already on the depth chart, and boy, the path
• 1:00:52
  of the playing field is not as clean as easy and as he thought it
• 1:00:55
  might be. That guy hits the portal, you're gonna lose. I think
• 1:01:00
  every program in the country is going to lose a half a dozen guys after
• 1:01:02
  the spring, four to six guys every single program. So yeah, numbers
• 1:01:08
  are not really a concern right now in terms of bringing guys in from the
• 1:01:13
  portal for Ohio State and from Josh. Will Tim Walton's cornerback recruiting help attract
• 1:01:17
  more defensive ends, better corners equals more sacks. That's an interesting question.
• 1:01:25
  I mean that. I mean, now we're every recruitment is different, so
• 1:01:31
  I mean it's hard to put a blanket answer down on that. I mean,
• 1:01:36
  obviously, I think that defensive recruiting has started to pick up as there
• 1:01:39
  has been proof of concept of Jim Knowles's defense. We were seeing classes that
• 1:01:45
  were tilted very heavily toward the offense when Ohio State's defense was kind of suckond
• 1:01:52
  wind, And now that it's getting better, I think we're seeing better results.
• 1:01:55
  In terms of the recruiting. I think that Tim Walton will be heavily
• 1:02:00
  involved in what he can be involved in. But you can't go out there
• 1:02:04
  and say, Okay, we need to get a twenty six man class and
• 1:02:07
  we're gonna try and land thirteen defensive players. Tim, we want you to
• 1:02:12
  be involved in the forty five players that we're pursuing and hold up the standard
• 1:02:15
  that you're doing in your own position recruiting. I mean, it's easy to
• 1:02:20
  try and play the cause and effect thing, but I don't know how much
• 1:02:24
  that is really going to be thought about in the moment when you're trying to
• 1:02:28
  figure out where the best place is for you and looking at the big picture
• 1:02:32
  and playing the jigsaw puzzle. I think that seems to be a little too
• 1:02:37
  much underwater three D chess for how high school recruiting goes. Maybe I'm a
• 1:02:42
  little jaded, but that's that's kind of my view. Super chat from five
• 1:02:45
  oh five Brutis I assume talking about the sab and retirement all Bud he was
• 1:02:50
  disgusted with the NCAA is handling if the cheating saga that Nil and the portal
• 1:02:53
  helped him decide. Also, when you guys put in the Connor Stallion's action
• 1:02:57
  figure on the market, Tony, does it have Does the Connor Stallions action
• 1:03:01
  figure have a real kung fu grip? Thanks? I'll hang up and listen.
• 1:03:06
  We don't need to do that because I'm assuming that Michigan will do it
• 1:03:08
  on their own as much as he is being celebrated by fan base and by
• 1:03:13
  the way he is, you know, cheering himself on through all of this,
• 1:03:16
  and so I assume Michigan will probably honor him. I don't know when
• 1:03:22
  they're having a parade, so I'm going to assume he may be the Grand
• 1:03:24
  Marshal at this point. So I don't think we need to go ahead and
• 1:03:28
  do that because Michigan will be doing that on their own. He's really turned
• 1:03:32
  into g Connor Liddy in their own little Watergate scandal. I am sick and
• 1:03:37
  fricking tired of hearing about him. He will have a radio show eventually.
• 1:03:42
  He will definitely have a radio show eventually. Or podcasts. Not just anyone
• 1:03:45
  can have a podcast. You've really got to earn it. So yeah that
• 1:03:49
  I am going a good get your degree from the Podcasting Institute Podcasting Institute.
• 1:03:57
  I do wonder if Connor stallions being so publicly out there and celebrated, and
• 1:04:04
  boy, you see him on Instagram every single week, don't you celebrating and
• 1:04:09
  drinking beers and getting drinks spot for him by Michigan fans. I know this
• 1:04:13
  isn't going to factor into the decision, but also don't you feel like you're
• 1:04:16
  kind of kind of taunting the NC double A in a way, like not
• 1:04:21
  that the NC double A is looking for, you know, is out to
• 1:04:27
  get Michigan or anything, or needs any sort of additional motivation. But you
• 1:04:31
  know, when when the university president's tweeting Bett and tweeting about how great it
• 1:04:36
  is to have Jim Harbaugh back on this, you know, and how much
• 1:04:39
  he loves Jim Harbaugh, and I think that's probably not the approach that's going
• 1:04:45
  to win you friends at the NCAA headquarters in Indianapolis. But we'll see how
• 1:04:50
  that all shaped out. Apparently, I mean, and people were talking about
• 1:04:55
  in the chat, Charlie Baker came out and I guess there was some sort
• 1:04:58
  of interview, and you know, they came out and won it fair and
• 1:05:01
  square or something, it seemed. I haven't read it myself, so I
• 1:05:04
  don't know, but there were other people that came in and said, yeah,
• 1:05:08
  I read it too, So I guess it's something to check out over
• 1:05:11
  at ESPN. Some comments from NCTA President Charlie Baker that may not jibe with
• 1:05:16
  documentation that is in the hands of the Council on Infractions. Well, they
• 1:05:20
  won the National Championship game fair and square. But that's not well they held
• 1:05:27
  all night. So I mean, I don't even know about that. There
• 1:05:30
  is that, and I don't know how much we want to get derailed by
• 1:05:32
  that. Go ahead, this is this is your thing. Now that we're
• 1:05:36
  an hour in, I think we probably don't want to get derailed by that
• 1:05:39
  at all. I did want to address the first part of that, which
• 1:05:41
  is I think that for a lot of coaches, and especially if you're a
• 1:05:45
  coach in your seventies, having to deal with the brave new world of the
• 1:05:48
  transfer portal and nil and all that kind of stuff, and recruiting being different
• 1:05:53
  than it is and roster maintenance being different than it has been. I think,
• 1:05:58
  you know, if you're thinking like I could come back for another year
• 1:06:00
  or maybe not, or you know, in the case of younger coaches,
• 1:06:05
  I could come back to college, or I could take a job in the
• 1:06:08
  NFL, I do think you're going to see some people kind of deciding like,
• 1:06:12
  eh, maybe maybe it's not worth it. Maybe it would be a
• 1:06:15
  little easier to have a league where everyone's just sort of under contract and you
• 1:06:18
  don't have to constantly re recruit everyone every three weeks, although now that I
• 1:06:25
  don't know how much longer we're going to go here, So I will just
• 1:06:27
  since we're talking about Charlie Baker, Yahoo's Ross Dellinger saying that by August,
• 1:06:33
  the NCAA could be implementing the schools just being doing their the own their own
• 1:06:40
  NIL thing that has been he proposed, where the NIL just gets brought in
• 1:06:45
  house and the schools pay the players. So that is a significant move that
• 1:06:51
  looks like a lot of optimism for that portion. So I don't know what
• 1:06:58
  this means with collectives and all of that, but schools getting back to or
• 1:07:02
  getting back to being able to pay players is eighteen different shows. So yeah,
• 1:07:14
  that's again would normally be the first thing we talked about and the topic
• 1:07:17
  of the entire show, and here we are an hour and seven minutes into
• 1:07:20
  what was going to be probably an hour long show and just now mentioning it.
• 1:07:24
  So I'm going to guess we'll probably talk about that more in a coming
• 1:07:28
  show at some point as things get a little more fleshed out. We'll see
• 1:07:31
  how that goes with Charlie Baker. But just to recap in case you're joining
• 1:07:35
  us, late Donovan Jackson back, Jordan Hancock back, Denzel birkback for Ohio
• 1:07:40
  State in twenty twenty four. Parker Fleming not back, Matt Gerary back at
• 1:07:44
  Ohio State going to be the safety's coach. Jason Taylor maybe question mark certainly
• 1:07:50
  some smoke around that in terms of some sort of a transitional thing maybe with
• 1:07:56
  the defensive line coaching position, which would leave James potentially is a grad assistant
• 1:08:00
  for another year. Oh by the way, Ohio State is apparently still looking
• 1:08:04
  for an offensive coordinator and we'll see how the coaching changes on the offensives,
• 1:08:09
  fire to the ball shake out after that happens. Oh. Yes, Nick
• 1:08:13
  Sabe been the greatest coach in the history of college football also retired today.
• 1:08:16
  What will that mean for recruiting and Ohio State being able to potentially reopen recruitments
• 1:08:20
  or reopen relationships with guys who they have attempted to recruit in the past who
• 1:08:27
  ended up going to Alabama? Will find out? Oh boy, oh and
• 1:08:30
  Ohio State get a top one hundred defensive end today literally today, huge recruiting
• 1:08:35
  news. And that is the seventy fourth thing. Tony is putting one finger
• 1:08:40
  up, which means something else has happened, Tony. Have they decided to
• 1:08:44
  turn touchdowns into seventeen points? No? I just want to say two things.
• 1:08:48
  Well, just imagine this defense next year. This year, if Ohio
• 1:08:54
  State could somehow convince Caleb Downs to transfer to Ohio State, imagine him and
• 1:09:00
  Darry. Secondly, well, I has to have three juniors announced that they're
• 1:09:04
  returning today. Do we see three more tomorrow with Trevian Henderson, A Mecca
• 1:09:10
  Abuka and JT. Twey Molowow. It's certainly possible. The deadline is the
• 1:09:15
  fifteenth. Marvin Harrison has not announced Marvin Harrison as turning pro. I hate
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  to spoil the surprise. I know there's there's always like one person in the
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  chat who's like, well he hasn't announced yet, is he? No?
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  No, No, Marvin Harrison's not coming back. But yes, A Mecca
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  Buka, JT. Twey Moloau, Travian Henderson all potentially potentially coming back.
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  Still we will have I'm sure I'm going to guess we'll have breaking news podcasts
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  when those things happen, because boy that those are going to be pretty consequential
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  decisions one way or another. As well. That is plenty of news still
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  long off season. We do not need to do everything all on one day.
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  Friends, Let's space this out a little bit. Yes, Cjstroud did
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  wait until the last second and did in fact turn pro so yes, we'll
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  see. We'll see. There's still decisions to come. But ohistik got three
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  very good pieces of news in terms of juniors returning for twenty twenty four,
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  coaching staff changes, recruiting news, potentially more recruiting decisions coming in the coming
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  days and weeks. I think there's some stuff to talk about right now,
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  and I think there's some stuff to talk about at buckey Huddle dot com.
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  That is where Kevin and Toni and I cover the team, Mark covers recruiting.
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  Mark has been very busy this week. It feels like every time I
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  log onto the board, Mark has written another column or another insider report.
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  unless any news has happened in the least thirteen seconds, I think we have
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  officially looked at least I think we have at least fought today's news news cycle
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  to a draw. Tomorrow's another day. Can't wait up? Tony's got a
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  finger up. Alabama students are chanting anyone but Dabbo in front of Bryant Dunny
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  Stadium. M Do you think it's too soon to talk about Alabama at Brian
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  at Debo Sweeney press conferences? And can we ask Greg Chiano about that?
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  No? No, okay, maybe not yet. All right, Well,
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  thank you guys all for joining us. Have a great day. We'll talk
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  to you tomorrow. When who knows what else will have happened,