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Keeping It Real With FRANK TURNER · HEAVY Music Interviews

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Speaker 1: You guys. It's Kira from Heavy Mag here today with
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Speaker 1: Frank himself from Frank Turner and the Sleeping Souls. So
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Speaker 1: have a quick chat before your tour with your with
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Speaker 1: bowling for Soup you bowl my bones. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: joining me. Are you ready for Are you ready for
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Speaker 1: the big plane ride to Australia.
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Speaker 2: Oh? I'd love to say yes, but no, It's it's
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Speaker 2: funny like I've.
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Speaker 3: Been touring and traveling around the world for a long time,
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Speaker 3: and you would think that I would have better kind.
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Speaker 2: Of tips and tricks.
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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean for dealing with journeys
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Speaker 3: like that? And ultimately I don't because the human body
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Speaker 3: just isn't really designed to do that kind of thing.
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Speaker 2: And it's going to suck.
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Speaker 3: But the good news is at the end of it,
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Speaker 3: I'm in Australia, which is fantastic.
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Speaker 2: So I will survive, yea.
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Speaker 3: Not made to sit like that for so long, right exactly,
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Speaker 3: you know, And I'll have my Netflix episodes downloaded and
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Speaker 3: my books to read and all that kind of thing.
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Speaker 2: But like it's still going to be unpleasant.
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Speaker 1: Drag. Well, sixteen years you've been charming Australia and winning
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Speaker 1: over the hearts here. Which city in Australia has won
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Speaker 1: your heart over that you're most looking forward to playing for.
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Speaker 3: I do have an answer this question, but it may
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Speaker 3: not be where you're from, and people get really like
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Speaker 3: I do about it. Honestly, my favorite city in Australia
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Speaker 3: is Brisbane.
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Speaker 1: Oh cool, I'm from Brisbane.
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Speaker 3: That works, agree, Okay, fantastic bris Vegas. Honestly, Like I
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Speaker 3: remember the first time I went to Australia, sort of
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Speaker 3: in my head, Australia was a more kind of like
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Speaker 3: just everything was hot all the time, and it was
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Speaker 3: more tropical kind of place.
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Speaker 2: And obviously that's not.
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Speaker 3: Always true of Melbourne and Sydney because they're so far south,
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Speaker 3: you know, and just geographically Brisbane is a more tropical place,
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Speaker 3: right Yeah, so yeah, so I just I've always had
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Speaker 3: great shows in Brisbane. I've I've got old friends who
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Speaker 3: moved there, so that's always a good thing. I will
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Speaker 3: say though, that there was one occasion about three years
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Speaker 3: ago when I was on a solo tour, so it
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Speaker 3: was just me and my tour manager. Yep, we arrived
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Speaker 3: in Brisbane shattered from the flight and discovered that you
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Speaker 3: cannot buy beer on good Friday in Queensland.
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Speaker 1: What oh, of course because everything shut Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But and like we just got off like a fucking
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Speaker 3: thirty hour flight and we just wanted one pint of
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Speaker 3: beer and we could not get it. And I was
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Speaker 3: I was walking around being like I've told every interview
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Speaker 3: that Brisbane's my favorite sit in Australia. Why are you
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Speaker 3: doing this to me? But yes, so that was that
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Speaker 3: was That was fun. But I love I love Brisbane,
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Speaker 3: but I love all of Asudia. It's great, it's always.
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Speaker 1: Good time, excellent. You chose wisely, so you enough to
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Speaker 1: play the Barron Bay Blues Fest a few times over
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Speaker 1: the years.
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Speaker 2: Which is now the thing in the past. Is that right?
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Speaker 1: It is. I'm not sure if you've heard the news,
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Speaker 1: but we've got another first of all that has been
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Speaker 1: the dust, which is sad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, by the way that like that
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Speaker 3: was a piece of news that rang out internationally, like
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Speaker 3: everybody knows Byron Bablues Festival, and I was very sad
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Speaker 3: to hear it. I had some great, great memories of
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Speaker 3: playing at that festival. I had a I had a
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Speaker 3: wonderful day. Do you know Jason as well, He's an
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Speaker 3: American country sing old old friend of mine and who
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Speaker 3: is famously sober, and he was very tolerd to the
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Speaker 3: fact that I got extremely drunk in his company.
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Speaker 2: At Byron Bablues Festival.
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Speaker 3: He was patter me in the head from time to
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Speaker 3: tithing like they're there, yeah right, yeah, but he's yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's a great festival and I'm very sad to see
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Speaker 3: that it's gone.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we kind of took it away there. I was
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Speaker 1: going to ask you, are there any memories that you
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Speaker 1: wanted to share to He kept yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean I think I think I played twice, and
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Speaker 3: you know, great memories, great experiences.
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Speaker 2: I was there.
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Speaker 3: I think I was there with Captain Crows guys one
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Speaker 3: time when I came through.
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Speaker 2: Which was a dream tour for me incidentally.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it was just it was it was
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Speaker 3: it was a really it was really this is gonna
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Speaker 3: sound so awful. It was a really nice and well
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Speaker 3: organized festival, do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: It was just like there were some.
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Speaker 3: Festivals that you Playstonbury that are just like it's incredible
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Speaker 3: to play, but they're just incredibly badly organized, and it's
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Speaker 3: like you've been here for sixty years, Like why is
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Speaker 3: it not better organized by now, whereas like Barron Bay,
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Speaker 3: you just rocked up as an artist and you just
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Speaker 3: got treated really well and the audience was great, and
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Speaker 3: it was just like, oh, why cannot every festival be
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Speaker 3: like this?
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Speaker 1: That's so nice to hear you normally hear horror story again.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did, I played, I played Grooving the move
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Speaker 3: yeah one time. Yeah, and that that could have learned
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Speaker 3: some lessons from from Byron Bay.
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Speaker 2: That's all I'm going to say about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, believe it at that, But it's very barn Bay.
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Speaker 1: It's quite laid back and loving and welcoming. So I'm
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Speaker 1: not surprised, but it is good to hear at least
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Speaker 1: we looked after you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So break John and the Sleeping Styles have been in
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Speaker 1: the music scene since the mid two thousands, ten studio albums,
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Speaker 1: well over three thousand shows under your belt. That is
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Speaker 1: a long time to sustain anything, to learn a band.
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Speaker 1: So what would you say that that's a credit to
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Speaker 1: what's the driving force that kept you on trying?
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Speaker 2: Ah, that's a good question.
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Speaker 3: I mean, my stubbornness is quite a big bit, my
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Speaker 3: bloody mindedness, you know, just my refusal to go away.
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Speaker 3: I mean I'm quite a driven person. I'm quite an
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Speaker 3: energized person. I suppose I like to be busy. I
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Speaker 3: like to be I love touring. It's the only thing
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Speaker 3: I ever really wanted to do, you know. As a kid,
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Speaker 3: I used to read Get in the Van, the book
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Speaker 3: about the Black Flag touring years and I read it
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Speaker 3: like a cross between the Bible and instruction manual, you know,
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Speaker 3: And it's what I wanted to do, and it's what
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Speaker 3: I have done, and I've loved every minute of it.
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Speaker 2: Well that's not quite true, of course, that's what you
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Speaker 2: say to people. Yes, exactly, there we're going.
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Speaker 3: But I mean it's also, you know, the sustaining the
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Speaker 3: band thing. I mean, it's like we have a slightly
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Speaker 3: different dynamic because it's my project with my band. In
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Speaker 3: no way wish to do them down their contribution to
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Speaker 3: everything that I do. But at the same time, like
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of bands kind of suffer because
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Speaker 3: of kind of power struggles almost I want to say,
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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? And it's like it's
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Speaker 3: always been very clear, you know where how things work
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Speaker 3: in the band. I mean, obviously I say always there
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Speaker 3: was some moments in time in the earlier days where
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Speaker 3: we had to slightly kind of work out exactly how
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Speaker 3: we rub along with each other. But it's been twenty
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Speaker 3: years now and like you know, we everyone knows the deal.
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Speaker 3: Everybody knows how it works. Everybody knows everybody else's foibles,
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Speaker 3: do you know.
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Speaker 2: What I mean.
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Speaker 3: We all know that Ben's going to go antique shopping
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Speaker 3: at nine am, and we all know that Matt's going
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Speaker 3: to have a hangout.
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Speaker 2: And it's just it's fine because you know, we know
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Speaker 2: how we operate. And obviously life changes.
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Speaker 3: People get older, they have kids, they get married and
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Speaker 3: all those kinds of things. But you know, we are
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Speaker 3: I've spent a lot a lot more time with my
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Speaker 3: band than I have with them with my family over
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Speaker 3: the years.
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Speaker 2: And they are I mean, I was gonna say they
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Speaker 2: were a second family.
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Speaker 3: They're kind of my first family, to be honest, and
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Speaker 3: you know, and we've maintained and I mean, it's just
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Speaker 3: something something I'm proud of. It's something I enjoy. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's something I think that we have in common with
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Speaker 3: bolloing for soup as well. Actually, you know, I think
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Speaker 3: that that we're there. We have a few things in common,
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Speaker 3: and one of them is the fact that we're both survivors,
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Speaker 3: and I might even say unlikely survivors. I think that
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Speaker 3: if you with both Boling Soup and me, if you
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Speaker 3: when we first started in the scenes that we were
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Speaker 3: part of, if you were putting money on who would
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Speaker 3: still be going to three decades later, I'm not sure
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Speaker 3: you would have picked.
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Speaker 2: Us, do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: And I kind of like that. It's kind of cool,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's just like, you know,
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Speaker 3: we've seen we've seen others fall by the wayside.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and twenty year is a such a long time.
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Speaker 1: It's it's growing out together and having that relationship that yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's just it's huge. So were you ever someone who
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Speaker 1: suffered from imposter syndrome or do you?
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Speaker 3: Or is there something you've constantly all the time forever
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Speaker 3: and it's there's a song on Undefeated called Somewhere in Between,
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Speaker 3: which if you put a gun to my head and
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Speaker 3: told me I was.
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Speaker 2: Only allowed to keep.
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Speaker 3: One song of mine or present one song of mine
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Speaker 3: to the world as my art, I would choose that song, which.
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Speaker 2: Isn't which is not a very imposter syndrome thing to
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Speaker 2: say that is true, but.
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Speaker 3: It's No, I mean it's it's yeah, definitely. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I spend most of my life it's I got through
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Speaker 3: my my bucket list quite a long time ago, do
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And I spend a lot
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Speaker 3: of my life just sort of waiting for the reality
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Speaker 3: police to knock on my door and tell me there's
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Speaker 3: been a huge mistake.
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Speaker 2: And that I'm actually supposed to be working.
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Speaker 3: In Tell the Sales again, and that all of this
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Speaker 3: was meant for someone else, do you know what I mean? Like,
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Speaker 3: I spend a lot of time, particularly in between tours,
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Speaker 3: convincing myself that no one cares about what I do,
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Speaker 3: like at all. And you know, I know that sounds
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Speaker 3: sort of ridiculous. I'm not trying to sort of generate
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Speaker 3: pity by saying that. It's you know, and it's sort
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Speaker 3: of Yeah, you go out on tour again and I'm like,
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Speaker 3: why are these people here?
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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like? What are they?
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Speaker 1: So?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, answer to answer your question is yes, Wow.
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Speaker 1: That's crazy. It's like, what do you think it would
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Speaker 1: take for you to have that unwavering confidence in yourself?
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Speaker 3: Well that that is a question that I've asked myself
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Speaker 3: a lot over the years, and I'll be honest with you.
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Speaker 2: As a question, I've discussed with my therapist, what.
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Speaker 3: Would it take to get you to just calm fuck
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Speaker 3: down and chill out and all the rest, you know?
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Speaker 3: And on some levels, in not In some ways it
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Speaker 3: would be good to be able to do that, But
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Speaker 3: in some levels there is an angle on which.
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Speaker 2: It's not terrible.
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Speaker 3: I think it's quite useful that I'm not completely settled
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Speaker 3: in in my self regard in the sense that if
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Speaker 3: I just sort of woke up in the morning and
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Speaker 3: was like, yes, I'm hugely successful and talented. I mean,
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Speaker 3: first of all, that would make me kind of insufferable.
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Speaker 3: And secondly, definitely I think that that would that would
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Speaker 3: dent my drive in some ways, you know, like to
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Speaker 3: some extent, I am still trying to prove something. And
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Speaker 3: if I felt like I proved it already, would I
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Speaker 3: need to keep doing it?
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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? So? And I love
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Speaker 2: and it's how I make my living. So yeah, so
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Speaker 2: we shall see.
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Speaker 3: But like I think that it's not the worst thing
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Speaker 3: in the world that I'm not completely settled about it.
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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, And coming from a guy who's roped up
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Speaker 1: to an interview, sitting there in your gown. But then
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Speaker 1: on the flip side, you've played like Wembley to how
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Speaker 1: many people? Is that? That's still not going to, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, make you feel like you're worth It's just
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Speaker 1: it's a struggle with people who put their cells out there,
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Speaker 1: I guess, so, yeah, definitely. So how do you prepare
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Speaker 1: for big gigs like that? So forget the everyone in
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Speaker 1: their underwear? How do you actually mentally prepare to walk
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Speaker 1: out to something like that?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I would say the thing that I learned
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Speaker 3: that the doing the Onely Arena show that was my
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Speaker 3: first arena headline show back in twenty twelve. Like, I
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Speaker 3: was quite fraught about it in the lead up to it,
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Speaker 3: and then I kind of hit upon the answer, which
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Speaker 3: was that it's just another gig, and you do the
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Speaker 3: same thing you do for any gig. You know, you
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Speaker 3: warm up, you check the setlist, you check your guitars
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Speaker 3: in tune, you try and remember when you're which songs
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Speaker 3: you're running into each other, and then you remember to
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Speaker 3: project to the audience. And there's tiny things like in
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Speaker 3: larger spaces you have to speak slower because of the
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Speaker 3: reverberations on your voice when you're talking to the audience.
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Speaker 3: So there's little things like that, but broadly speaking, you
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Speaker 3: just you just do your job, do you know what
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Speaker 3: I mean? And like and you recognize that you've got
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Speaker 3: to that big stage by being good at playing the
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Speaker 3: smaller ones, and that there's not actually as much difference
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Speaker 3: as some people want there to be between the two
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Speaker 3: types of shows. So yeah, and I'm at a point
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Speaker 3: in my life of my career now where like some
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Speaker 3: days I play big shows, some days I play small shows,
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Speaker 3: and you just do your job. And I say that
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Speaker 3: not sound grinding, but with joy, because I love my job.
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Speaker 3: So you just you just go off and do your job.
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Speaker 1: Best job in the world. Well you say, ye, would
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Speaker 1: you say it's more nerve wracking to go and play
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Speaker 1: to like a sea of people like that or intimate
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Speaker 1: at the local pub where everyone can see you and
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Speaker 1: everyone's watching you like intensely.
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Speaker 3: Probably, I mean, they both have their nervous moments. I
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Speaker 3: think the thing for me in terms of nerves is
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Speaker 3: it's whether I know what to expect right and and
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Speaker 3: like to degree, if I'm playing a headline show, I
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Speaker 3: know what to expect, Do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: Like, I know why people are there.
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Speaker 3: The most nerve wracking show I've done in my life
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Speaker 3: was at my nephew's primary school and there were forty
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Speaker 3: eight year old boys, boys and girls, I should say
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Speaker 3: boys and girls, and me and his mum my sister
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Speaker 3: had sort of twisted my arm into doing a school
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Speaker 3: assembly or whatever, and I played like songs and I
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Speaker 3: was absolutely shitting myself because I had no idea what
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Speaker 3: to expect.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know, I mean to talk.
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Speaker 3: About an unforgiving audience. Yeah, they just they've got they
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Speaker 3: haven't been socialized into into being polite, you know what
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Speaker 3: I mean. Well, I think I seem to remember I
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Speaker 3: did the wheels on the tour bus go round and round. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: crowd favorite. I mean, I was like them. I was
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Speaker 3: coming up with other lyrics, like the morale on the
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Speaker 3: bus goes down, down.
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Speaker 2: Down, But but no, it went it went well. I was.
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Speaker 3: The teachers and indeed my sister were pleased afterwards, and
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Speaker 3: my nephew was sort of in the way that children
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Speaker 3: of now, was completely unconcerned about the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so you only sign off you need some
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Speaker 1: pinnacle right.
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Speaker 3: There, and he's like, yeah, it's like okay, thanks thanks by.
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Speaker 1: So your tour roster is massive. It seems like you're,
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Speaker 1: like you said, constantly on the go. You don't want
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Speaker 1: to stop what you live and breathe and love. I'm
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Speaker 1: a stalk and I can't go a few days without
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Speaker 1: my bed and my family. So what is your secret
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Speaker 1: to like surviving the ship? Beds, late nights, ship food?
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Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean.
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Speaker 3: The first thing I'm say is that the beds that
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Speaker 3: I sleep and have got less shit as time has
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Speaker 3: gone by.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say all those days long gone.
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Speaker 2: I mean not always, but often. I mean.
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Speaker 3: The thing is, I've been on tour more than not
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Speaker 3: on tour in my adult life. I started touring when
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Speaker 3: I was sixteen, So in many ways, it's being at
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Speaker 3: home is the bit that I have to tune into
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Speaker 3: a bit more so sometimes. I mean, certainly there were
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Speaker 3: years of my life where that felt like it was
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Speaker 3: the case. I will say that I'm in I am
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Speaker 3: currently in my life in a more settled place than
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Speaker 3: I have been before, and I do miss my home
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Speaker 3: and my bed more than I used to for lots
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Speaker 3: of different reasons. I think partly it's getting older, do
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? It's like I'm not going
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Speaker 3: to be quite as cheesy as to say touring is
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Speaker 3: a young man's game, but like there is, there are
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Speaker 3: physical limitations. I mean just a little bit. Like I
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Speaker 3: was looking back. I've got my old tool laminets pinned
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Speaker 3: up in my bathroom and I was looking at them
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Speaker 3: the other day. And in two thousand and seven, we
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Speaker 3: did a tour. We did something like twenty five shows
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Speaker 3: in a row without a day off.
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Speaker 2: And now, and the thing.
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Speaker 3: Is, I just could because I was like twenty five,
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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? And I'm forty four now,
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Speaker 3: and if I do four in a row, that's pushing
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Speaker 3: it for me now in my voice and my physicality
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Speaker 3: and all the rest of it. And so of look
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Speaker 3: back at that and I'm like Jesus Christ. But it's like, ultimately,
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Speaker 3: that's just getting older, and it happens to all of us.
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Speaker 2: And it was part of the deal, do you know
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Speaker 2: what I mean? Like you just your body ages.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess when you're young, you're just hungry
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Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, we'll do it.
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Speaker 2: Let's go.
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Speaker 1: Ye.
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Speaker 3: And not only did we do twenty five years, I
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Speaker 3: was a chain smoker back then, and like I used
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Speaker 3: to get hammered every night and all this kind of thing,
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Speaker 3: and I'm just like, how was I alive at the
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Speaker 3: end of that?
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Speaker 1: My tank was empty far out. That's crazy. So three
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Speaker 1: last Evenings, I mean festival that you host yearly, you
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Speaker 1: got the opportunity to sit down with Henry Rowlands. So
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, that was really fucking cool to watch because
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Speaker 1: he is just a joy, Like he seems really welcoming
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Speaker 1: and he's just open to chat. He's down to chat
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Speaker 1: about anything.
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Speaker 2: He's quite different from how he presented in the nineteen eighties.
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Speaker 3: Let's say that, like he's a really reallygarious man.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, the saying girl has never made your heroes? Would
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Speaker 1: you say he was the exception to that?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I've had tons of exceptions to that.
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Speaker 3: Like, I occupy a weird space in life in the
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Speaker 3: sense that I've met a lot of my heroes and
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Speaker 3: indeed become friends with some of them, and it's.
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Speaker 2: Quite weird, you know, a lot of the time.
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Speaker 3: And I sort of there's a balance to be struck
17:15
Speaker 3: because on the one hand, I don't want it to
17:16
Speaker 3: be that every single time I see fat Mic or
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Speaker 3: Adam Durretts or any of these people that I'm just like,
17:20
Speaker 3: oh my god, you know that's not conducive to social hangs.
17:28
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I don't want to be
17:29
Speaker 3: jaded about it, you know. I mean, I don't want
17:31
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, yeah, it's Mike.
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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: It's like, hell, this is a guy whose music defined
17:37
Speaker 3: me when I was a kid, and who are still thinking.
17:41
Speaker 2: He texts me at weird times of day like so yeah,
17:48
Speaker 2: so like Henry.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to say that Henry and
17:52
Speaker 3: I have become best buds or whatever, but like, he
17:54
Speaker 3: was such a guy and I actually my bucket list
17:58
Speaker 3: moment of that festival was that we got Henry up
18:01
Speaker 3: on stage playing harmonica during my show and I think,
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Speaker 3: I think I'm right and saying it's the first time
18:07
Speaker 3: Memory has.
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Speaker 2: Been on stage.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's the first time he's ever played
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Speaker 3: harmonica ever, and it's like the first time he's been
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Speaker 3: on stage with a band in a long long time.
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Speaker 3: And I was just like yes, And I've been planning
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Speaker 3: on asking him to do it for ages and then
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Speaker 3: I saw him the day and I was like really
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Speaker 3: nervous about it, and I was like, Henry, would you
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Speaker 3: and he was like yeah.
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, okay, great, so great.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like a freaking fever dream. I would never
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Speaker 1: believe it without saying it correct
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Speaker 3: Again if you told If you told fourteen year old
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Speaker 3: me that one day I'd have Henry Rollins playing harmonica
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Speaker 3: next to me on stage, I would have had a
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Speaker 3: lot of question