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Christine Jessop - A Murder and Wrongful Conviction - Part 2 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the story of Christine Jessup and the man
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Speaker 1: who was wrongfully accused of her murder. But this is
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Speaker 1: part two. Be sure to check out Part one that's
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Speaker 1: already released before you listen to this episode. But if
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Speaker 1: you're ready for part two, let's dive into it.
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Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked
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Speaker 2: You're ready for this?
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Speaker 1: What am I ready for this?
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Speaker 2: It was like a solid b effort.
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Speaker 1: There no I'd give that a soliday really okay holiday.
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Speaker 1: It was suspenseful but not anti climactic, you know it was.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't bad. We're sharing a drink sharing a drink today.
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Speaker 2: Sharen, I might have actually taken more than half.
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Speaker 1: That's fine, it's fine. I think we kind of need
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Speaker 1: to share a drink today. Will not necessarily share drink.
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Speaker 1: It's right for the beverage that we have a beverage
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Speaker 1: today because this case is man oh man. We are
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Speaker 1: in for a good roller coaster and a wrap up
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Speaker 1: on part two of this. And not to mention that
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Speaker 1: right now it is Friday the thirteenth, Holy shit. It
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Speaker 1: is Happy December Friday, the thirteenth, leading up to Christmas,
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Speaker 1: so cheers. Hopefully you guys have some good luck here
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Speaker 1: on the Friday the thirteenth. Thirteenth my actual my lucky number,
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Speaker 1: so I.
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Speaker 2: Don't flew into that. Well. Actually, when I played sports
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Speaker 2: in high school often I was thirteen. Like I was like,
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Speaker 2: there's nothing with this number, no no one ever wanted it,
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Speaker 2: and I was like, I'll take it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. That was the same as me. I had number
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Speaker 1: thirteen as playing soccer once and it was like my
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Speaker 1: best year on soccer ever. So I was like, okay,
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Speaker 1: thirteen is my lucky.
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Speaker 2: Number then, yeah, yeah, nothing against the number, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: I've never had thirteen be unlucky for me, So Happy
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Speaker 1: the Friday thirteenth. Hopefully it's not unlucky for you out
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Speaker 1: there as well. But I do have to say my apologies.
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Speaker 1: I got in a lot of trouble. Oh yeah, for
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Speaker 1: not announcing that this trouble this case was a two parter.
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Speaker 1: In my defense, I kind of did tell you, well,
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Speaker 1: I didn't tell you. We did talk about it being
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Speaker 1: a part one and part two in our pre show
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Speaker 1: over on Patreon.
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Speaker 2: And then got confused that we hadn't announced it in
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Speaker 2: the legit like the actual show.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so in my brain I had already announced it,
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Speaker 1: but no, we didn't announce it. We only announced it
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Speaker 1: on Patreon. So that's my apologies. But yeah, this is
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Speaker 1: now part two of this case, and going forward, I
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Speaker 1: will be in I will do my best to ensure
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Speaker 1: I continue with letting you know when it's part one
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Speaker 1: and not.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think you forgot to put in the title too.
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Speaker 1: So I did.
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Speaker 2: It was just we have a lot going on, and
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Speaker 2: it was it was it was just forgetting like it
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Speaker 2: wasn't It was just slipping else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with the good, suspenseful episode
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Speaker 1: now and then hopefully you guys got to the end
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Speaker 1: of that episode and you're like no, and now you're
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Speaker 1: just amped for this part too.
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Speaker 2: I like, how was your few days? Were you feeling
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Speaker 2: that a lot of people cursing you?
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Speaker 1: There was a few. There was a few, for sure.
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Speaker 1: We had some messages and some comments and stuff. But
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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be worthwhile. I mean, hey,
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Speaker 1: it is Friday, it's the end of the week, and
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Speaker 1: now you're listening to the rest of the story.
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Speaker 2: Right, good old Friday the thirteenth. Yeah, that makes me happier.
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Speaker 2: I didn't even put that together. I love that.
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Speaker 1: Well, here we are, but let's get into this. So
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Speaker 1: if you remember part one at all, in that last episode,
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Speaker 1: we discussed the death of nine year old Christine Jess So.
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Speaker 1: She initially went missing on October first in nineteen eighty four.
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Speaker 1: Her family searched for her, but unfortunately to no avail.
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Speaker 1: That is until someone stumbled upon her remains on December
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Speaker 1: thirty first in nineteen eighty four as well. So that
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Speaker 1: was approximately ninety days later, I believe. Right now, the
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Speaker 1: investigation to find her murderer ensued. Police quickly honed in
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Speaker 1: on a neighbor by the name of Guy Paul Morin
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Speaker 1: so Ghee. I kept calling him Guy left's last episode.
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Speaker 1: I'm probably going to say it again this time it's
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Speaker 1: spelt Guy like guy, so it makes sense. Yep. So
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Speaker 1: my brain keeps wanting to do that. But his name
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Speaker 1: is Gee, and the only problem is there was no
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Speaker 1: evidence linking Gee to the scene, and he had a
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Speaker 1: solid alibi. It just seemed like the police were trying
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Speaker 1: to fit him to the murder rather than follow the evidence.
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Speaker 1: Sort of situation. So regardless, on July thirtieth, nineteen ninety two,
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Speaker 1: Ghee was arrested and went to trial. Now, the second
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Speaker 1: trial actually ran for nine months at the time, and
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Speaker 1: it was the longest trial murder trial in Canadian history
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Speaker 1: at that time, so I mean, I'm pretty sure it's
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Speaker 1: been superseded since, but the time, yeah, longest in Canadian history. Eventually,
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Speaker 1: he was convicted of the murder and he was locked
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Speaker 1: up in Kingston Penitentiary, penitentiary, penitentiary jail, in Kingston jail, Okay. Now,
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Speaker 1: behind bars, Gee was determined to prove his innocence not
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Speaker 1: only to the legal system but the public as well,
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Speaker 1: and he promised that he was going to be appealing
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Speaker 1: his sentence and conviction because.
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Speaker 2: Then even at when he was in jail, they were
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Speaker 2: setting him up too right to like admit it. Or
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Speaker 2: maybe that was the first time around, but they planted
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Speaker 2: someone in there to try to get him to confess.
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Speaker 1: So that was the first time around there. They planted
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Speaker 1: someone in there to try and get evidence out, and
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Speaker 1: the guy was twisting his words.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it was wild, oh okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now he's in there, and even the people in
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Speaker 1: the jail like they had that big, tough guy in
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Speaker 1: jail who's like, I followed your case. Yeah, I believe
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Speaker 1: you're innocent. No one harmed this guy, yeah, because you know,
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Speaker 1: he allegedly hurt a child, and people who hurt children
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Speaker 1: in jail don't generally do well. But he had the
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Speaker 1: back of someone who was big and bad in jail
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Speaker 1: believed he was innocent. So yeah, now that his way
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Speaker 1: to prove his innocence.
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Speaker 2: His only first string of lacke I guess.
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Speaker 1: No kidding. So in nineteen ninety three, Gee was well,
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Speaker 1: with the help of some new lawyers, was filing his appeal.
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Speaker 1: He was granted bail on February ninth, nineteen ninety three,
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Speaker 1: but by then he had spent years battling the justice
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Speaker 1: system already that seemed, of course, determined to label him
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Speaker 1: guilty despite the mounting questions about the case. So Gee,
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Speaker 1: on the other hand, was now on bail and readying
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Speaker 1: himself for the battle that would soon come in court
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Speaker 1: once again, and in nineteen ninety five, the new trial
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Speaker 1: was to begin. Now the ordeal cost a lot to
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Speaker 1: do this and to fund it all. Ghee's parents, believe,
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Speaker 1: who believed that their son was innocent helped pay half
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Speaker 1: a million dollars towards this trial, forcing them to remortgage
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Speaker 1: their home to fund this whole defense.
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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, those are some good parents, so hey.
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Speaker 1: Yes, no kidding. This time though, the court would not
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Speaker 1: rely on botched detective work. They were not going to
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Speaker 1: go along with claims that went alongside circumstantial evidence that
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Speaker 1: were like forced puzzle pieces jammed together. They weren't gone
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Speaker 1: with any of that this time. It was evidence. This
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Speaker 1: time there was something more coming to the trial. See,
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Speaker 1: there was a revolutionary new tool that came into play,
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Speaker 1: DNA testing. The idea of DNA testing the semen found
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Speaker 1: on Christine's underwear was proposed, but it caused some mixed reactions.
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Speaker 1: See Ghee's lawyers were hesitant at first. DNA testing was
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Speaker 1: still in its infancy stages at the time, and it
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Speaker 1: had only been used in the justice system for just
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Speaker 1: less than ten years, so not even a decade hasn't
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Speaker 1: been in play. And not to mention, what was there
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Speaker 1: actually guilty? What would this DNA prove if it did
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Speaker 1: go for testing, So they were a little bit hesitant.
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Speaker 1: Their job is to just defend, defend, defend, no matter
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Speaker 1: what right, So they were worried, like, what happens if
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Speaker 1: this actually does go through and it is your DNA?
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Speaker 1: Then were fucked right well, and.
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Speaker 2: It didn't go well at all when they did the
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Speaker 2: hair samples right now.
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Speaker 1: However, Ghee was not concerned one bit with this testing
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Speaker 1: being done. In fact, he actually began saying, no, test it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: He's like, we need to test this one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: do it. He knew that it would prove his innocence
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Speaker 1: instead of proving him guilty. So he's determined to prove
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Speaker 1: his innocence once and for all, So let's do it.
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Speaker 1: So in January of nineteen ninety five, the DNA testing
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Speaker 1: came through and the new test conclusively told that Gee's
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Speaker 1: DNA was not a match found on the sample of
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Speaker 1: Christine's clothing. Okay, yes, I keep saying, guy, aren't I
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Speaker 1: It's okay. If I'm doing it, just ignore me.
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Speaker 2: It's a Gee guy, Like, it's like potato potato or
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Speaker 2: potato potato. You know what we mean here? Yeah, it's
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Speaker 2: the same thing kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: No, it's Ghee. I'm sorry, I keep messing it up.
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Speaker 1: I'm probably going to keep messing it up, but I'm
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Speaker 1: going to do my best, GhIE. So yes, the test
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Speaker 1: excluded Ghee as the murderer, and on January twenty third,
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, the appeal trial concluded swiftly with a
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Speaker 1: judge delivering a verdict of acquittal on all charges.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the DNA evidence, which all parties agreed was accurate.
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Speaker 1: By the way, So it's not just like the defense
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Speaker 1: and the whole courtroom whatever. It is basically just like, yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: this is this is concrete. He didn't do it. There's
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Speaker 1: no one disagreeing. It's firm. It proved his innocence beyond
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Speaker 1: beyond doubt. Now side note, though, this whole decision inspired
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Speaker 1: what is it's a foundation for the Association in Defense
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Speaker 1: of the wrong Fleet Convicted or AIDWYC, which is an
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Speaker 1: organization organization dedicated to addressing miscarriages of justice and today
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Speaker 1: they're actually known as Innocence Canada and it continues to
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Speaker 1: actually advocate for those who have been wrongly convicted. So
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Speaker 1: there is actually an organization for those individuals now out
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Speaker 1: there today, which is fantastic, too okay.
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Speaker 2: For them to get help kind of once it is
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Speaker 2: proven that they were actually innocent.
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Speaker 1: Well I'm not too sure how much they actually work with.
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Speaker 1: Maybe there's individuals who are behind bars who believe they're
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Speaker 1: wrongfully convicted and they can seek help or advice or counseling.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's during trials, maybe it's during sentencing,
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Speaker 1: but it would most certainly be afterwards for sure. But anyways,
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Speaker 1: I digress. I thought it was a little piece of
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Speaker 1: information I wanted to include there that was kind of cool. Now,
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Speaker 1: in recognition of the immense trauma, let's say that Gee
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Speaker 1: had endured over the past nine years and nine months
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Speaker 1: that it had been since he was first actually arrested.
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Speaker 2: It's been that long. He lost that long of his life.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so nearly ten years of his life since he's
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Speaker 1: been arrested, shit, convicted, re sentence. Sorry, it was he
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Speaker 1: went to trial twice because this third time when he
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Speaker 1: was actually appealing, the DNA came back just before the
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Speaker 1: third trial was set. Okay, so he'd actually gone through
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Speaker 1: the legal court system twice and about two on the
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Speaker 1: third time as well before Yeah, it all came crashing down.
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Speaker 1: So almost ten years.
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Speaker 2: So he's entitled to some money or something of sorts.
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Speaker 1: He did receive compensation one point twenty five million dollars,
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Speaker 1: so one and a quarter million dollars compensation from the
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Speaker 1: Ontario government, you know, on a partial attempt to rectify
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Speaker 1: the impact of the wrong conviction of him.
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Speaker 2: Right, I just have to say really quickly, like time though,
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Speaker 2: I feel like the majority of people, if they were
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Speaker 2: a million dollars verse ten years of their life, they
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Speaker 2: would probably choose the ten years of their life. Probably
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Speaker 2: a lot of people, the majority, I'm thinking, right.
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Speaker 1: So that well, if you talk to someone on their
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Speaker 1: deathbed or whatever, they probably trade that money for one
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Speaker 1: more day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that just it doesn't seem good enough.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, he also reportedly gave half a million dollars
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Speaker 1: to his parents to relieve that financial burden that they
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Speaker 1: dug themselves into to help him out as well.
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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, so that money is going like harly nowhere.
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Speaker 2: Then that's being paying for all the shit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right back to the government.
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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.
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Speaker 1: Now he did have freedom, however, didn't come very easily,
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Speaker 1: of course, because you have whole ten years of his life, right,
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Speaker 1: But that also didn't mean that the life after those
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Speaker 1: ten years was very easy either. See the stigma of
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Speaker 1: the case that had lasted for nearly a decade followed him.
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Speaker 1: Wherever he went, he struggled to find work, and he
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Speaker 1: actually went on to eventually buy a farm, got married
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Speaker 1: and had two sons. But this past conviction never seemed
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Speaker 1: to leave him be In one instant, for example, a
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Speaker 1: kindergartener class or teacher or someone at the school in Barry,
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Speaker 1: Ontario asked his five year old son to leave the
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Speaker 1: school after discovering who their father was.
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Speaker 2: Oh so they're now taking it on his.
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Speaker 1: Children, his kindergartener, which is what a five year old?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're even feeling the repercussions of this wrong. That's fiction.
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Speaker 2: Insane though, because he got it was like proven that
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Speaker 2: he was innocent, So what the hell right? People aren't
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Speaker 2: letting him move on.
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Speaker 1: They're not well, I'm sure there's individuals out there who
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Speaker 1: still believe he actually did do it because they haven't
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Speaker 1: found the real killer yet. So meanwhile, the hunt for
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Speaker 1: Christine's killer did continue. In nineteen ninety eight, after three
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Speaker 1: years of investigating, the Toronto Police Superintendent Neil Tweety and
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Speaker 1: Detective Steve Rehill, they just kind of didn't know what
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Speaker 1: else to do. The case was just cold once again.
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Speaker 1: By then the police had collected over three hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty five DNA samples from individuals focusing mainly on sex
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Speaker 1: offenders tied to the area where Christine was abducted and
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Speaker 1: where her body was found, but they just couldn't seem
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Speaker 1: to connect anything. However, with the new DNA testing being
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Speaker 1: able to prove Gie's innocence, the authorities were hoping now
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Speaker 1: it might be able to prove someone else's guilt. So
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Speaker 1: despite this extensive testing, they were just unable to find
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Speaker 1: a match. But in twenty nineteen, the case, current at
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Speaker 1: that time, still without any new leads, was handed to
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Speaker 1: Detective Steve Smith of Toronto Police. Now Smith had been
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Speaker 1: just thirteen years old when Christine's body was discovered, which
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Speaker 1: means he was only four years old older than Christine,
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Speaker 1: and this case it kind of struck a nerve with
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Speaker 1: him and it had stuck with him ever since. So
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Speaker 1: when he took it over, he decided to give the
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Speaker 1: investigation one last shot.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I just have to say, that's a good person
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Speaker 2: to take it over, though, no kidding, really good because
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Speaker 2: they're gonna, you know, it affected them and so they're
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Speaker 2: going to just have that extra likom to.
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Speaker 1: Try to get that investment investment into the case, right.
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Speaker 1: So that's one hundred percent what it was for him.
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Speaker 1: He was invested, not only of course with his job,
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Speaker 1: but there's this personal attachment of you know, she was
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Speaker 1: my age or whatever. I grew up hearing about this.
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Speaker 1: It was in the paper, My mom or neighbor whoever
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Speaker 1: was crying talking about it. I saw the posters as
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Speaker 1: she was missing. I attended Surge Park like things like that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and this is the individual who is now taking it over.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's so good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Smith had recently completed a forensic genology course
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Speaker 1: and saw an opportunity to apply this technique to Christine's case.
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Speaker 1: So you see, the Human Genome Project or HGP, launched
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety and completed in two thousand and three.
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Speaker 1: It was a monumental scientific endeavor that mapped all genes
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Speaker 1: in the human genome and determined the complete DNA sequence.
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Speaker 1: We've talked about this a few times on our podcast before,
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Speaker 1: and it was done. I mean, it has done wonderful
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Speaker 1: things for investigators in the world true crime. It's helped
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Speaker 1: find countless perpetrators, including identifying the infamous Golden State killer
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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, for example.
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Speaker 2: Right, yes, and we've done that one.
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Speaker 1: Yes, have we done the Golden State?
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Speaker 2: I thought we did? Didn't I do that one?
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Speaker 1: Maybe?
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure.
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Speaker 1: We're over two hundred and twenty five episodes and it's
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Speaker 1: hard to remember everything.
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Speaker 2: We've all hard to remember them all.
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Speaker 1: But I do know the case for sure, and yes,
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Speaker 1: this was something that helped actually identify the Golden State,
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Speaker 1: and this is what we're looking at now. So Smith
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Speaker 1: soon contacted the Texas based genetic genealogy company, offering to
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Speaker 1: collaborate on this case. However, they were willing, but they
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Speaker 1: were only going to allow him to submit one sample
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Speaker 1: for the project, just one. See, he had many cases
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Speaker 1: that we're going across his desk, right, Okay.
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Speaker 2: I was like, what's exactly the problem here? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, many cases, many individuals that he would like to
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Speaker 1: see take advantage of this opportunity, and he only is
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Speaker 1: allowed to submit one. So, after much thought, he chose
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Speaker 1: to submit Christine's.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's tough.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't a decision he made lightly by any means, No,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure not. Yeah, and especially considering like no Canadian
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Speaker 1: court had ever used forensic genealogy in a criminal case before,
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Speaker 1: so if this were to come back and be some
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Speaker 1: evidence that could go into court, it would be a
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Speaker 1: first in a Canadian criminal justice system. So, using the
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Speaker 1: DNA collected from Christine's clothing, the team uploaded the profile
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Speaker 1: to an ancestry platform called ged match. Using this platform
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Speaker 1: in its database, the DNA was analyzed and compared to
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Speaker 1: others that had been input around the world. It didn't
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Speaker 1: take long before they got three hits. It found distant
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Speaker 1: third cousins from this mysterious perpetrator. Investigators used this information
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Speaker 1: and began building a family tree from those connections and
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Speaker 1: through this match. Now it sounds like a big breakthrough,
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Speaker 1: and don't get me wrong, this is, but the reality
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Speaker 1: of the situation is that this led to a pool
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Speaker 1: of over thirty three thousand people who could potentially be
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Speaker 1: the one that they're after.
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Speaker 2: So that's narrowing it down quite a bit, but that's
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Speaker 2: that's still a bit. That's still a huge pool.
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Speaker 1: See, what they're doing is basically saying this could be
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Speaker 1: anyone in Ontario, and now you're like, it's anyone related
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Speaker 1: to this pool, and now it's a gene pool instead
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Speaker 1: of like a population pool, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: So it's narrowed it down, but that's still a lot
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Speaker 1: of people to look through.
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Speaker 2: So then you can narrow that down even more, I
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Speaker 2: feel like, potentially to people who are in that area
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Speaker 2: at the time and stuff you could.
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Speaker 1: You could potentially, but you also have to it's going
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Speaker 1: to take a lot of investigating to get that narrowed down, right.
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Speaker 1: It could take years to get that narrowed down to
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Speaker 1: even like half of its size, for example. So it's
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Speaker 1: a broad spectrum still, but it's a step in the
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Speaker 1: right direction. So Smith, though, decided that the time that
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Speaker 1: would take to do so was too great and he
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Speaker 1: wasn't willing to sit there and go through it all
19:05
Speaker 1: for years on end in hopes of finding someone, right,
19:08
Speaker 1: so he decided to try again, this time using a
19:11
Speaker 1: different platform called family Tree DNA. The decision to try
19:15
Speaker 1: again turned out to be the right move.
19:18
Speaker 2: Oh man, this is giving me chills here.
19:22
Speaker 1: So this attempt yielded an additional three third cousins. However,
19:26
Speaker 1: these ones were reportedly much closer to the killer. Okay,
19:32
Speaker 1: now this is one of the genetic hits from the genealogy.
19:35
Speaker 1: It turned out that these were from the maternal side
19:38
Speaker 1: of this killer. So this breakthrough actually allowed the detective
19:42
Speaker 1: and his team to narrow that list down from the
19:44
Speaker 1: potential thirty three thousand suspects down to about four hundred.
19:50
Speaker 2: Okay, now we're talking here.
19:52
Speaker 1: Now we're talking. That could have taken a decade to
19:55
Speaker 1: do alone. Yeah, Instead he submitted to another platform and
19:59
Speaker 1: here we are. So with newer information at hand, Detective Smith,
20:04
Speaker 1: along with a Toronto police genealogist and a couple of
20:08
Speaker 1: genealogy experts from the Texas based company, spent the next
20:12
Speaker 1: eight months building an intricate family tree, you know, connecting
20:16
Speaker 1: person from person to person and a family all over.
20:19
Speaker 1: They call him through every piece of information that they
20:21
Speaker 1: could find, burial records, birth certificates, town registries, even their
20:26
Speaker 1: social media going online that way, And at the root
20:29
Speaker 1: of this massive tree was a man by the name
20:31
Speaker 1: of Henry Hoover Junior, who was born in eighteen oh
20:34
Speaker 1: four in Lenox, Ontario. From there they worked backwards or upwards,
20:38
Speaker 1: or whichever way you want to say. If it's family tree,
20:40
Speaker 1: you start at the roots, I guess you go upwards.
20:43
Speaker 1: So they populated this four hundred name family tree and
20:46
Speaker 1: eventually coming to a great great grandson of Henry Hoover Junior.
20:53
Speaker 1: The DNA found on Christine's clothes was a match to
20:57
Speaker 1: a man by the name of Calvin Hoover.
21:01
Speaker 2: Okay, have we been introduced to this person? I'm like
21:05
Speaker 2: having trouble recalling that.
21:06
Speaker 1: This is where you're going to have to recall back
21:08
Speaker 1: to part one.
21:09
Speaker 2: I know, and I can't remember this name.
21:11
Speaker 1: And this is a really good reason why I'm so
21:14
Speaker 1: happy this was a part two case because I almost
21:19
Speaker 1: get to reintroduce you. So before we're going to talk
21:21
Speaker 1: about who Calvin was. Okayt so. Calvin Hoover was born
21:25
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty six and grew up in the Scarborough area.
21:28
Speaker 1: As a child, he frequently spent time near Sunderland. Now
21:32
Speaker 1: the same Sunderland that Christine's body was found. This is
21:36
Speaker 1: the same one. He enjoyed outdirectivities like kayaking, hiking, and camping,
21:40
Speaker 1: and he was known for his charisma, but he was
21:42
Speaker 1: also known to be a little bit selfish and had
21:44
Speaker 1: a vindictive streak that sort of surfaced within his relationships.
21:48
Speaker 1: He liked to drink, party, gamble, that sort of thing. Now,
21:52
Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies, Calvin met Heather, a woman who
21:55
Speaker 1: had moved from the Maritimes with her two sons. They
21:58
Speaker 1: married and Calvin adopt her children. Together, they had two
22:01
Speaker 1: more sons for four in total, and lived in a
22:03
Speaker 1: two story suburban home in Oshauwa. Outwardly, Calvin appeared like
22:08
Speaker 1: any ordinary family or sorry, ordinary family man. But what
22:13
Speaker 1: was on the surface is only a portion of what
22:15
Speaker 1: the world knew. Calvin also struggled internally. He suffered from
22:19
Speaker 1: undiagnosed bipolar disorder, anxiety and depression, which he tried to
22:23
Speaker 1: numb with drugs and of course alcohol. Hashtag relatable. That
22:28
Speaker 1: was a joke, saying you didn't laugh now he'd got
22:31
Speaker 1: nervous real quick.
22:33
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just like pretty because I'm wondering if I
22:36
Speaker 2: know who this person is. So I'm just like intently listening.
22:38
Speaker 1: Fair enough. So. At the time of Christine's murder in
22:42
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, Calvin would have been twenty eight years old.
22:45
Speaker 1: He had no criminal record, and there was little to
22:47
Speaker 1: suggest he was capable of such a crime. However, his
22:50
Speaker 1: darker tendencies began to emerge over the years. In nineteen
22:54
Speaker 1: ninety ninety one, seven years after Christine's death, Calvin and
22:58
Speaker 1: Heather declared bankruptcy. His drinking worsened, putting a strain on
23:01
Speaker 1: their marriage, and by nineteen ninety six the family had
23:04
Speaker 1: downsized to a low rant home in Ajax, Ontario, now
23:08
Speaker 1: at Dui. Arrest that same year was a final straw
23:11
Speaker 1: for Heather, and the two divorced in two thousand and three.
23:14
Speaker 1: Calvin later remarried tying the Knot with a coworker named
23:17
Speaker 1: Joanne Rocca in Las Vegas, and tragically Joanne passed away
23:20
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. By then, Calvin was grappling
23:23
Speaker 1: with sleepless nights, PTSD, depression, and panic attacks. His mental
23:28
Speaker 1: health steadily just kept declining. In twenty fourteen, Calvin survived
23:33
Speaker 1: a suicide attempt. However, the following summer in twenty fifteen,
23:37
Speaker 1: he succumbed to his struggles. While living with one of
23:41
Speaker 1: his sons in Port Hope, Ontario, Calvin found himself feeling isolated, sad,
23:46
Speaker 1: and anxious. One evening, when his sun left for a wedding,
23:50
Speaker 1: Calvin made a final decision. He sealed himself in the garage,
23:54
Speaker 1: downed a bottle of red wine and tranquilizers, put on headphones,
23:58
Speaker 1: and started a generator. There are conflicting reports regarding the
24:03
Speaker 1: method of his suicide. Some suggest he died from exphyxiation
24:07
Speaker 1: due to hanging, while others indicate carbon monoxide poisoning from
24:12
Speaker 1: this generator running in the garage. However, most detailed accounts,
24:17
Speaker 1: including statements from family members, confirmed that he was found hanging.
24:21
Speaker 1: Oh okay, regardless of his method, though, his son returned
24:25
Speaker 1: home and found his father's lightless body in the garage.
24:28
Speaker 2: Which is just like, wayed, I don't know, put your
24:32
Speaker 2: trauma on to now your son, right, Yeah, to find
24:35
Speaker 2: something like that, I feel like, would be horrible.
24:37
Speaker 1: Well, and the son also found one more thing on
24:39
Speaker 1: the bathroom mirror. There was also a post it note
24:42
Speaker 1: that simply read, I hope you all have a good life.
24:46
Speaker 2: Holy shit? Really yes, huh okay that made my heart
24:52
Speaker 2: just sink completely. Yeah.
24:55
Speaker 1: Around, It's a sad situation for sure, and no individual
24:58
Speaker 1: should have to find anyone and like that, let alone
25:01
Speaker 1: their parents. Who knows the struggles of someone who's you know,
25:05
Speaker 1: having to self delete like that. But yeah, I mean
25:10
Speaker 1: it's terrible.
25:11
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this dude should be struggling though, if, like,
25:14
Speaker 2: if he's actually the one that did this. Like, I'm
25:17
Speaker 2: kind of glad that he didn't just like have this
25:19
Speaker 2: amazing life for.
25:20
Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of what I'm happy many years, you know,
25:22
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that his guilty conscience was part of that.
25:26
Speaker 1: I'm don't get me wrong. I'm not sitting here hoping
25:28
Speaker 1: that anyone's gonna, you know, string themselves there. I just
25:31
Speaker 1: hope that Christine got to him.
25:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that he like, that's so much guilt that
25:38
Speaker 2: he should be living with, and so for him just
25:41
Speaker 2: to be able to have how many years of happy
25:43
Speaker 2: life is not all right?
25:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, after his death, it wasn't until decades later
25:49
Speaker 1: that Calvin was actually identified as a man responsible for
25:51
Speaker 1: Christine Jessop's tragic murder. Though Calvin Hoover could never face
25:56
Speaker 1: justice in a courtroom for his actions upon an innocent
25:59
Speaker 1: nine year old girl, his identification brought some semblance of
26:02
Speaker 1: closure to her family and a case that haunted Canada
26:05
Speaker 1: for over three decades. Now. If you may remember from
26:10
Speaker 1: part one, Christine went missing during a very specific time window,
26:14
Speaker 1: a small period of time, a small opportunity when she
26:18
Speaker 1: got home from school.
26:19
Speaker 2: And was home alone, like hardly anytime or she was alone.
26:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this was not a normal thing to happen.
26:24
Speaker 1: She wasn't alone for the small window of time every
26:27
Speaker 1: day after school. It just so happened on this day.
26:28
Speaker 1: There was plans that created this, right, So on this
26:32
Speaker 1: day she would be home alone for upwards of approximately
26:35
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. So according to Christine's mother, Christine would arrive
26:39
Speaker 1: home at about four pm from the school bus and
26:42
Speaker 1: she herself would arrive home at about four to ten,
26:45
Speaker 1: so there was about ten minutes that she was home alone.
26:49
Speaker 1: And during these ten minutes is when Calvin would have
26:52
Speaker 1: taken Christine. But how would Calvin have known to strike
26:56
Speaker 1: then at that moment, at this specific time period. Well,
27:01
Speaker 1: police early on suspected that Christine knew her abductor if
27:04
Speaker 1: you remember that from part one as well, right, yep,
27:07
Speaker 1: As it turns out they were right. So you're winding
27:11
Speaker 1: a few days before the kidnapping occurred. On October one,
27:14
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, Janet, Christine's mom, stopped by to visit
27:18
Speaker 1: a friend.
27:19
Speaker 2: Right, Oh shit, is this literally the family that had
27:21
Speaker 2: the four boys? Dude?
27:23
Speaker 1: Her friend's name was Heather Hoover.
27:26
Speaker 2: Oh okay, isn't this not? Did I not? Predict that
27:29
Speaker 2: it was going to be one of them.
27:31
Speaker 1: I believe last episode you claimed your thought was going
27:34
Speaker 1: to be one of the sons.
27:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, is this one of the sons? Or is this
27:37
Speaker 2: the dad? Holy shit? I can't okay, I'm I'm getting
27:41
Speaker 2: mixed up here now.
27:42
Speaker 1: Well, at Heather Hoover's home or at the Hoover's home.
27:45
Speaker 1: It was here that investigators believe Heather's husband, Calvin Hoover,
27:50
Speaker 1: may have overheard the conversation holy shit. Yeah. So Janet's
27:57
Speaker 1: talking to Heather saying, yea, you know, on this day,
28:01
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go visit my husband Bob, who's currently in
28:03
Speaker 1: jail for yeah, some some theft stuff.
28:06
Speaker 2: And like he would have been friends with Bob.
28:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's like, Okay, you know, I'm worried about Christine.
28:12
Speaker 1: She's gonna be alone for a few minutes, but it'll
28:14
Speaker 1: be nothing or whatever. And this is where they believe
28:17
Speaker 1: Calvin got the information on when she would be alone.
28:22
Speaker 2: What the actual fuck?
28:26
Speaker 1: Yeah?
28:27
Speaker 2: Oh you're serious? Ey oh man, Okay.
28:31
Speaker 1: No, I'm lying. Yes, I'm serious.
28:33
Speaker 2: That is just shocking.
28:35
Speaker 1: You was shook to your core right now?
28:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand that.
28:41
Speaker 1: Well, police suspected that Calvin heard this and use this
28:44
Speaker 1: as his opportunity to abduct Christine. So on the day
28:48
Speaker 1: of October third, Christine disappeared precisely during this window of opportunity. Now,
28:54
Speaker 1: whether she willingly went with Calvin because she trusted him
28:57
Speaker 1: or was taken by force, remains unknown. Christine was just
29:01
Speaker 1: forty pounds and was rather small. She's a nine year
29:04
Speaker 1: old girl, right.
29:05
Speaker 2: He's a grown ass man.
29:06
Speaker 1: That makes it very easy for an adult to overpower
29:09
Speaker 1: her if they wanted to. From there, investigators believe Calvin
29:12
Speaker 1: took her to Sunderland. In this area, which is a
29:15
Speaker 1: place where he knew well from his childhood. It's dense
29:18
Speaker 1: forest and remote backroads provided a seclusion that he needed
29:23
Speaker 1: to commit his heinous act without fear of being interrupted
29:27
Speaker 1: or seen. So it was there that he would have
29:34
Speaker 1: raped and murdered nine year old Christine.
29:38
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
29:41
Speaker 1: Despite his actions, Calvin Hoover managed to avoid suspicion for decades.
29:45
Speaker 2: What a complete piece of shit. Sorry, I'm still processing.
29:49
Speaker 1: It's all good. It's all good. He helped in group
29:52
Speaker 1: searches for Christine, he attended her funeral and even offered
29:56
Speaker 1: his condolence to the Jessup family at her wake, he
29:59
Speaker 1: blended seamlessly, never drawing attention to himself, and at the
30:03
Speaker 1: time police were photographing and monitoring attendees both at the
30:06
Speaker 1: wake and funeral, hoping to catch any unusual behavior that
30:09
Speaker 1: might be popping out amongst the crowd of people. Calvin's
30:13
Speaker 1: lack of criminal record and his unremarkable demeanor just kept
30:16
Speaker 1: him off the radar entirely. It wasn't until thirty six
30:20
Speaker 1: years later in twenty twenty, that Calvin Hoover's name was
30:23
Speaker 1: finally put to being Christine's killer, but by then Calvin
30:28
Speaker 1: had already passed away.
30:30
Speaker 2: I just don't think that they would ever figure that out, really, Like,
30:34
Speaker 2: that's so shocking. It's so shocking because they were family friends,
30:38
Speaker 2: and I mean, I know it's often people you know
30:41
Speaker 2: and stuff, but still you would never think that it
30:44
Speaker 2: would be like a dad of a family friend.
30:47
Speaker 1: True, but like investigators were thinking that it must be
30:51
Speaker 1: an individual that they had known, and rewinding back to
30:55
Speaker 1: part one, police just honed in on Ghee right away,
30:59
Speaker 1: and Heather and Calvin were never really looked into at all.
31:06
Speaker 1: In fact, Janet even told them of the conversation that
31:09
Speaker 1: she had with Janet.
31:12
Speaker 2: At their house, right, Yeah.
31:17
Speaker 1: But they weren't looked into. They were just too fixated
31:20
Speaker 1: on pinning it on Ghee. So when you say that
31:23
Speaker 1: they never would have found that out, I disagree.
31:25
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, they could have, you know, it just
31:28
Speaker 2: I just can't stop. I just can't stop thinking about this,
31:32
Speaker 2: and like, was he waiting for this opportunity? Had it
31:36
Speaker 2: been like something that he had been thinking about doing.
31:41
Speaker 2: I just that is so disturbing. It's ridiculously disturbing.
31:45
Speaker 1: That's only something we can speculate on. But I'm thinking.
31:50
Speaker 2: Because she could have been his child, like quite easily.
31:52
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, he was twenty eight and she was nine,
31:55
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking there's two options. He had this attraction
32:01
Speaker 1: to her and then he heard this opportunity and was like, hey,
32:05
Speaker 1: I could take advantage of the situation. Or he was
32:08
Speaker 1: waiting for an opportunity and this was it.
32:12
Speaker 2: So you don't think that it was that he just
32:15
Speaker 2: heard this. He there would have been some sort of
32:19
Speaker 2: attraction or something before just hearing this random thing, Like
32:23
Speaker 2: you there must have been think you would just get
32:25
Speaker 2: this idea after hearing that a kid's going to.
32:27
Speaker 1: Be there must have been. I don't think it's far
32:30
Speaker 1: fetched to say that he could have heard it and
32:33
Speaker 1: then just came up with this all after the fact
32:35
Speaker 1: of hearing it. But I think most likely there was
32:38
Speaker 1: some prior thoughts.
32:41
Speaker 2: About that, yeah, which I don't want to say into miners.
32:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not the kind that like dig underground.
32:50
Speaker 2: I have my armpits joke. I'm sorry. My armpits are
32:54
Speaker 2: like sweating right now. I'm so upset and disgusted.
32:57
Speaker 1: I know I'm rather uncomfortable too.
32:59
Speaker 2: It's it is just mind blowing. Actually back on.
33:03
Speaker 1: Track though, Despite his death and the DNA tests already
33:06
Speaker 1: being done, Detective Smith wanted to see if he could
33:09
Speaker 1: do one final test. So, if you remember, the DNA
33:14
Speaker 1: testing that pins Calvin to this crime is taken off
33:18
Speaker 1: for clothing, right, So he reached out to the coroner's
33:22
Speaker 1: office to determine if there was any biological samples from
33:25
Speaker 1: Calvin's autopsy that had been preserved. He wanted a final confirmation,
33:31
Speaker 1: a stamp of one hundred and ten percent this is
33:35
Speaker 1: the connection.
33:36
Speaker 2: Right, Well, good for him.
33:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it turns out there was a little bit
33:42
Speaker 1: of a luck on his side because the coroner still
33:44
Speaker 1: had two vials of Calvin's blood.
33:47
Speaker 2: Okay, I have no idea, like they go about keeping
33:50
Speaker 2: this shit and stuff. I don't know.
33:51
Speaker 1: I'm clearly they do, or at least in some cases
33:55
Speaker 1: they do. So in September of twenty twenty, the blood
33:59
Speaker 1: samples were sent to Detective Smith, who secured your judicial
34:03
Speaker 1: permission to have them tested. Forensic scientist Kelly Bowie at
34:07
Speaker 1: the Toronto Forensic Science Center conducted the DNA analysis. The
34:11
Speaker 1: results were conclusive. Calvin Hoover's DNA match the seamen found
34:15
Speaker 1: on Christine Jessop's underwear beyond a reasonable doubt. It was
34:18
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten percent his DNA because yeah, you.
34:23
Speaker 2: Could almost wonder, well, maybe it was one of his kids, right,
34:26
Speaker 2: and that could be why he was like, I need
34:28
Speaker 2: to get like concrete evidence exactly.
34:30
Speaker 1: This genealogy testing. Yeah, it's it put them like almost certain,
34:36
Speaker 1: maybe even certain, but just to have no room for
34:39
Speaker 1: any doubt. Now this is it.
34:42
Speaker 2: Because I still have trouble believing, and I'm because I'm
34:45
Speaker 2: just it's so far fetched that the father would do this.
34:48
Speaker 1: What he did.
34:49
Speaker 2: Oh Man.
34:50
Speaker 1: On October fifteenth, twenty twenty, Detective Steve Smith announced Calvin
34:54
Speaker 1: Dana Hoover as a man responsible for Christine's murder, but
34:57
Speaker 1: before making the news public, Smith himsel self personally went
35:01
Speaker 1: and informed Ghee, Paul moore In and Christine's family Heather, Janet, Bob,
35:07
Speaker 1: and her older brother Kenny about the news. Now, when
35:10
Speaker 1: police arrived at Gee's doorsteps, he felt a wave of
35:13
Speaker 1: anxiety after years of being wrongfully accused and the sight
35:16
Speaker 1: of officers stepping up on his driveway. Oh yeah, yeah,
35:20
Speaker 1: he was getting a bit nervous. And when they told
35:22
Speaker 1: him that Calvin Hoover was the man, Ghee was a
35:28
Speaker 1: thankful that it was finally resolved and shocked. But he
35:30
Speaker 1: had never heard the name before. He didn't know who
35:32
Speaker 1: he was now. Heather Hoover, Calvin's ex wife, was just
35:37
Speaker 1: as shocked as Gee was, probably more because she was
35:40
Speaker 1: one who was previously married to him. But at sixty
35:43
Speaker 1: years old, she reportedly expressed disbelief, saying that Calvin had
35:46
Speaker 1: stood by her at Christine's grave side for years.
35:53
Speaker 2: Oh that just gave me chills. Yeah, really, he'd go
35:56
Speaker 2: and visit the fucking grave with Heather and that's disgusting.
36:04
Speaker 1: Now, Janet Jessup Christine's mother barely remembered Calvin at all.
36:09
Speaker 1: By this point, she had just tried to move forward,
36:12
Speaker 1: and she and Bob had divorced, selling their family home.
36:16
Speaker 1: Going their separate ways. Janet moved into an apartment in Kenswick,
36:19
Speaker 1: north of Queensville, where she was focusing on her volunteer work,
36:23
Speaker 1: and Bob had remarried, found work in Sutton, and was
36:26
Speaker 1: grateful that these years of torment were finally over. Kenny,
36:31
Speaker 1: Christine's older brother, now worked in construction in Kenswick. Though
36:34
Speaker 1: separated from his wife, he remains devoted to raising his
36:37
Speaker 1: nine year old daughter, but all of them were happy
36:40
Speaker 1: that there was finally some closure.
36:43
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, no, I mean it's mind blowing, but
36:47
Speaker 2: the closure is good.
36:48
Speaker 1: Yeah. During this investigation, detective Smith discovered that Calvin's address
36:54
Speaker 1: at the time of Christine's murder had been listed in
36:57
Speaker 1: the original case files buried in the database all along.
37:01
Speaker 1: This discovery led Smith to investigate Calvin's other addresses over
37:05
Speaker 1: the years. So Calvin's job as an installer for an
37:08
Speaker 1: electric electrical company allowed him to travel frequently for work,
37:12
Speaker 1: which gave him, Yeah, your eyes just got real wide,
37:15
Speaker 1: the opportunity to act without raising suspicion in other areas. Additionally,
37:20
Speaker 1: he attended training courses in cities like Dallas, Washington, Chicago,
37:24
Speaker 1: and police are now looking into these locations and others,
37:27
Speaker 1: suspecting that Calvin may have been involved in other unsolved
37:31
Speaker 1: cases too. His DNA has been added to the international
37:34
Speaker 1: database to compare against other cold cases in Canada, the US,
37:38
Speaker 1: the UK, and of course other countries. So far, no
37:42
Speaker 1: other matches have been found, but they are holding on
37:46
Speaker 1: to his name and DNA just in case. Ultimately, after
37:52
Speaker 1: decades of uncertainty, Christine's family finally has their answer. While
37:57
Speaker 1: Calvin Hoover, who at the time was a trusted family friend,
38:00
Speaker 1: would never face justice due to his death in twenty fifteen,
38:03
Speaker 1: the confirmation of his guilt brought some measure of closure
38:06
Speaker 1: to a case that haunted the Jessup family and Guy
38:09
Speaker 1: more In and the community for over three decades. And
38:14
Speaker 1: that is the story of Christine Jessip and the man
38:18
Speaker 1: who was wrongfully accused of her murder got Ghee.
38:22
Speaker 2: Paul Marvin, Well, that is just a doozy of a
38:26
Speaker 2: case right there. Yeah, And it doesn't feel I don't know,
38:30
Speaker 2: it's just I feel it's still so heavy, like it
38:34
Speaker 2: just I don't know. Lots of times when the person's
38:38
Speaker 2: found it's like, oh right on, but it doesn't like
38:41
Speaker 2: I don't feel happy about it at all for some reason.
38:44
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's there's two main reasons. One, he
38:48
Speaker 1: was a trusted family friend, right, most likely he didn't
38:53
Speaker 1: have to.
38:53
Speaker 2: Overpower like apparent figure.
38:56
Speaker 1: Yes, because if you think of it this way, remember
39:00
Speaker 1: part one, the mail was brought in, Christine's jacket was
39:03
Speaker 1: hung up higher on a hook than it was before,
39:06
Speaker 1: So he most likely entered the house with her willingly
39:10
Speaker 1: most likely, and then left with her willingly. So I
39:15
Speaker 1: think that's one reason why it's unsettling, because he was
39:17
Speaker 1: supposedly a trusted family friend.
39:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
39:20
Speaker 1: And secondly, he got off easy. Yeah, he did not
39:24
Speaker 1: have to live life with that stigma on him as
39:29
Speaker 1: being a murderer. He didn't get jail time. Someone else
39:32
Speaker 1: got that stigma in jail time, some of the jail time.
39:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he he just let someone else, Like he
39:38
Speaker 2: was probably thrilled. Yeah that someone else was, you know,
39:42
Speaker 2: having to go through this and being had this pinned
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Speaker 2: on them exactly. So this case, this case has got
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Speaker 2: me real good here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So fuck Calvin. No shit, he's a piece of shit.
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Speaker 2: He's a douche canoe eat piece of shit.
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Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I hope that the Jessup family and
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Speaker 1: he and his family can all move on from here
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Speaker 1: as best as they can. I wish him nothing but
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Speaker 1: the best.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you'd hope at least. I mean, it hasn't
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Speaker 2: really even been that long, right, it was like twenty
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Speaker 2: nineteen or something. Yeah, but yeah, you'd hope that these
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Speaker 2: last five six years, I guess now almost it's been
40:24
Speaker 2: kind of like a breath of fresh air at least
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Speaker 2: a little bit for him, like he can finally like
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Speaker 2: take a deep breath, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, huh. It's not only that he was wiped
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Speaker 1: of all his convictions, he was exonerated, if you will.
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Speaker 1: It's that there was someone else who was found to
40:39
Speaker 1: be the real perpetrator. So there's no room for doubt
40:42
Speaker 1: when people can say, yeah, you're out of jail, but
40:45
Speaker 1: we still think you did it. Yeah, there's the actually,
40:49
Speaker 1: here's the real evidence. Here's the real fucking killer. I
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Speaker 1: did not do it, and there is proof beyond a
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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt I didn't and he did.
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Speaker 2: This case is just to me, if I'm being honest,
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Speaker 2: like with the fact of today's but then last one too,
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Speaker 2: where he was just he was just the neighbor, like
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Speaker 2: living his life. Yeah, and then his life just got
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Speaker 2: completely ruined for no reason. Yep, huh okay, well let's
41:16
Speaker 2: carry on with our day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah after that, I know, I'm still just picturing like gee,
41:21
Speaker 1: because he like did some like beekeeping and stuff in
41:23
Speaker 1: the backyard and gifted the Jessup family honey occasionally.
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Speaker 2: His family wasn't his family had the bees or yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he helped his family do some beekeeping and stuff
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Speaker 1: and just like work around the house. And he loved
41:34
Speaker 1: music and he was in jazz bands and he got
41:36
Speaker 1: arrested on his way to practice. Like it just he
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Speaker 1: was living his best life. He was close with his family,
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Speaker 1: doing what he loved, getting outside, being active, learning and
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Speaker 1: it just came crashing down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the candle just got blown out. Yeah done, uh,
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Speaker 2: well well done on this one.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, I appreciate it. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this episode.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully it was worth the wait for the second part here.
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Speaker 1: I will make sure that in the future I do
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Speaker 1: my best to inform you if it's a part one.
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Speaker 2: Well, mommy, usually very good. It's just some one off thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I used to do in the beginning of
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Speaker 1: this podcast. We used to leave it hanging and not
42:18
Speaker 1: tell everyone.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I guess, oh holy heck.
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Speaker 1: Smooth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, at the beginning, but lately yeah, quite some time.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, Yeah, we used to do it where it
42:30
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we'd leave you on a cliffhanger in
42:31
Speaker 1: Part two is coming out next week. But now it's like, okay,
42:34
Speaker 1: we'll let you know if it's a part one and
42:36
Speaker 1: that way because there's people who like to listen to
42:38
Speaker 1: part one and two in one city, which it totally.
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Speaker 2: Gets fair enough.
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42:44
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Speaker 1: Nicole had the final sentiment of it do And I
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