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ITB Roundtable: Intel, Notes From Eagles Ninth Camp Practice · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's up everybody?
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Speaker 2: Jeff Moster, Adam Kaplan, and Andrew de Checko from Inside
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the Birds dot Com and the Eagles had a practice
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on Monday. It was a full padded practice, a long one,
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about almost two hours. So we'll get our observations. We'll
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talk about the developments from the Eagles as we get
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closer to the first preseason game Thursday night. I imagine Monday
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will be their roughest practice because Wednesday they're gonna have
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a walk through before the Thursday game. So Tuesday, this
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morning will probably be I would imagine a lighter practice, right,
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and yeah, it got to be.
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Speaker 1: It's gotta be rammed down.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: So so it's good they've had a couple of good
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practice over the weekend and on Monday, and then there's
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a lot for us to get into. So again, light
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practice today on Tuesday, walk through Wednesday. Thursday is the
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pre he's in game. Then of course they'll be off Friday.
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We'll have everything covered throughout the week.
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Speaker 1: Fellas.
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Speaker 2: Want to start off just really quickly with the injury updates.
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AJ Brown still dealing with the hamstring he was out
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Byron Young was a addition, he was out on Monday.
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Speaker 1: He's an addition to the list.
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Speaker 2: He had a groin injury, but the Eagles did get
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Ben Van Sumer in back.
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Speaker 1: He was limited with the ankle.
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Speaker 2: Mac McWilliams was listed as limited, and then Davante Smith.
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This was cool because Davante Smith is back in practice
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and Andrew I thought he was a.
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Speaker 1: Highlight.
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Speaker 2: I almost gave him a game ball for Villy Voice
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dot Com, not for anything other than just kind of.
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Speaker 1: Like being able to get open like Davante Smith does.
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Speaker 4: I refer to him as a smooth criminal. Everything he
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does looks effortless. He caught a long crosser from Jalen Hurtz.
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Doesn't look like he misses a beat no matter how
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much time he misses. He's such a reliable player, an
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integral to the success of this offense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a cue of Michael Jackson. He is smooth, That's
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what I was writing. I was he didn't make He
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made a couple of nice plays at him in the
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team drills, but it's really what really jumps out. And
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this is why I've thought that he might be poised
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for an even bigger year.
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Speaker 1: If this team has to throw it a little bit more.
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Speaker 2: Is that just his comfort and his route running, his
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razor sharp cuts really stand out, especially in these team drills.
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He's he's every year, I feel like he just gets
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more and more in sync with with Jalen.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, two things. So on Sunday he dominated when they
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he started off, he got he got in early, and
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he looked like he had missed a beat, missing over
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a week of practice. And the thing that surprised me
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is like he I think he we we talked about
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the start camp about Devancee Smith's touchdown numbers. It's very surprising. Okay,
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like what without looking I think it was maybe the
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fourteen over the last two years. He wouldn't thick of
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him as a guy, I'd score a lot of touchdowns.
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But the thing about him and for being the slim Reaper,
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is how physical he is. Like that's we've talked about.
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That crazy catch was against Washington maybe his rookie season
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or second year. Oh yeah, the bomb, we went up
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and got it. He went on his back, maybe missed
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one plane, came back in. The guy is he's bes
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as tough as a cups.
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Speaker 4: Or the catch that he had against Pat Sertane as
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a rookie in Denver where he took it away.
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Speaker 3: From good next team, that's right, it was against Fangio, right,
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it's tough. He's still the head coach.
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Speaker 1: H Yeah, yeah, I think it was the head coach
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then yep.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I know it's like I feel like we
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say said it last year, maybe this year. I mean,
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the dynamic of the offense changed a lot last year.
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But I really can see at some point in his
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career DeVante Smith sort of going off and having one
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of those thirteen fourteen hundred yard seasons where everything goes right.
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Speaker 1: But again, they have to they'd have to be throwing
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the ball a lot more for that to happen.
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Speaker 2: But either way, as good of a number one, A
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or two as there is in the league. And then
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this is kind of funny. So Jahad was removed from
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the limited list. He is now a full participant. Now,
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if any of you two can describe for me the
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actual you can tell.
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Speaker 1: Me what the difference is in the verbiage.
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Speaker 2: But when you watch practice, if you if you thought
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that there was anything limited in Johad Campbell's usage, you'd
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have to like explain it to me, like I'm three
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years old. Because he's been out there pretty much on
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every snap doing everything. Andrew, have you even noticed a
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period in teams or one or drill where he's not
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done anything?
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Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen.
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Speaker 4: Him limited in any capacity. And you saw a little
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bit of that edge that he plays with. I think
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he's gonna add a lot of juice to this defense.
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There is one play where he gently wrestled tight end
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Harrison Bryant to the ground on a short completion. I mean,
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you don't you don't want somebody to kind of take
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away what makes them, what makes them special. Obviously it's
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hard for him to pull the rains, you know, pull
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the rains back.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so is that on Monday you're referring.
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Speaker 5: To or is that a Monday? Monday? Monday?
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Speaker 2: So now he's starting to stack days of maybe a
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little too much contact with the opponent.
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Speaker 3: That's the thing is you can't and the players will
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tell you their coach very hard about this. Do not
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hurt your teammate. Like, as physical as you want to be,
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you have to know what you're allowed. We get he's
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a rookie, but he can't go over the line, right.
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Maybe careful of that stuff because I've seen it traveling
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from camp to camp over the years, I've seen guys
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get heard, you know. It's it's it's a shame when
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it happens, and nobody tries to hurt anyone, but sometimes
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you just your momentum takes so you just got to
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be careful.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's been I feel like in the times
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of Campbell has done it. Andrew, I don't has he
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been admonished loudly for it because it's not been It's
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not been purposeful or intentional. There was a cornerback whose
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name is I can't remember right now a couple of
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days ago who did make a tackle and got admonished
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pretty loudly for it. They were screaming at him like,
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what what the effort you're doing?
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Speaker 3: Here?
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Speaker 2: Was on Goddard, I think right, And he got admonished
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for it because it was less of an accident and
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more like the guy got caught in the moment and
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made a tackle and you can't do that when.
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Speaker 1: You're not well.
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Speaker 4: For Campbell, it never looks intentional to to your point there, Jeff,
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it always looks like he's almost apologetic or trying to
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help them up after the play. He just goes one
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hundred miles an hour obviously with intent, but it's never
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and it doesn't seem to me that he's trying to
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do that purposefully.
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Speaker 1: Right, And that's what they tell rookies.
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Speaker 2: If you're gonna make a mistake, do it at one
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hundred miles per hour. And like you said, just try
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not to hurt your teammate. Yes, he did hurt Van
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Sumrin a couple of days ago, put him out. Van
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Sumer limped off, but Van Szumern's back. So all is
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good as long as you don't do it at a quarterback.
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Speaker 1: You're really they're not.
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Speaker 3: Oh, then you got it. You'll be you know what,
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you either get yelled at or some coaches I've seen it,
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they throw the guy out of practice. Absolutely, that will
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not be tolerated. There's a reason why he's wearing a
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red jersey. All touch the quarterback.
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Speaker 5: Vic.
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Speaker 3: You know, Vic talked about it when he's talking about
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on his press conference on Monday. You know that there's
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there's some things you just can't do.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get through practice.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: This practice was, uh, it was interesting because.
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Speaker 2: They went they did a lot of backed up drills
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on Monday. Andrew and you've been to every single one?
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Was this the most backed up? When I say backed up,
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the offense will start at the zero, at the three,
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at the five, and then it'll be it'll be situational
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or it'll be moving as much as you can move it,
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but it's obviously designed for the offense to be uncomfortable.
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Was this the first time this year, Andrew, that you
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had seen that much?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: That that was the first occasion that I saw that,
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And it was also the first occasion, if you remember, Jeff,
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there was a situational drill where each unit got a
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chance to try and move the football. They got one
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opportunity I think for the first team it was offside.
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Second team Thomas Booker storms through the middle to break
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up a pass, get a hand up, and then the
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third team Duri and Thompson Robinson sort it wide of
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wide receiver if he had die a. So that was
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a that was interesting too, because you see their urgency.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam, You've never seen anything so funny as a
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bunch of first team offensive guys coming off the field
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because they drew and off sides and never actually had
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to run the play.
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Speaker 1: Because the situation is you're backed up.
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Speaker 2: But it's like I think I think it was like
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third and five or third and four or something like that.
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They drew the off sides, they got the first down nobody.
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So like Dickerson's walking off the field with a big
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smile on his face. My lot is like clapping hands
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with Lane Johnson. Anytime you can get through a drill
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in camp and you don't need to contact anybody because
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you drew it.
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Speaker 1: Off sides and then you get to come right win
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for you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a hell of a win. Yeah, to free down, Yeah,
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to free play for you. Yeah. So you like that.
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So you know, it's interesting just seeing, you know, I
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looking at other reporters who are at other camps, like
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you see, like what one day the Bears had a
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terrible practice, you know, they ben Johnson. Maybe I don't
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know what exactly what he did, but it was bad
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and he was not happy Andrew and you know, I
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don't know if you two have seen this. I haven't
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seen it yet in the practice I've been to. Like
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I saw I mentioned this before in twenty twenty two
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at Cleveland and Maria where he came well got chucked out,
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but he got he got taken like he tald jamals
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go to get him off the field. But I haven't
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seen these practices are pretty crisp, guys, I don't see.
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They're faster. There's no wasted time, which really bothers me.
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At some other camps, like it's like station a station
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and watch Serryani. By the way, that's what he does
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as a CEO head coach. You haven't really talked about
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this much. But he goes, he observes, he folds his hands,
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He'll get a guy's here. So yeah, there's there's some
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stuff going on here.
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Speaker 4: Very efficient. Yeah, that's that's the word that I would
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use for it. No wasted time, fast paced, and they
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get a lot accomplished.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It surprises me, just from like a long time perspective.
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Some they structure their camp. Every every coach does this differently.
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Speaker 2: But I remember in the Indy Reid era, you got
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used to a sequence which.
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Speaker 1: Was warm ups, right, and then position drills the wide
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receivers with the wide receivers, running backs, running backs.
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Speaker 2: I still do that, but then it would go to
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from positional drills to offensive drills, defensive drills, and then
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they would together for seven on sevens and then team
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and it almost never deviated from that. But in Nick
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Siriani's camp, they could start they could go just straight
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from warm ups, kick the ball off like they did
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on Thick on Sunday, right, and then get right into
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team drills and it's like, whoa, you guys, that's it.
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You're just going straight to eleven on elevens. We're not
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doing seven. And then they'll break and then after that
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they'll get and do some some individual stuff so they
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have a round. There's a method to their madness. I
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haven't figured out exactly what it is, but they are
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definitely definitely structured differently than the way I remember it
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under Andy Well.
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Speaker 4: It forces, in my opinion, it forces players to not
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become comfortable or used to a certain regimen. You have
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to be prepared for everything. And even today, Jeff, they
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did the individual's position drills, then they went to one
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on once wide receivers, DB's offensive line, defensive line. Then
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they went to team full team. So I like the
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variation there and I think it keeps a lot of
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folks on their toes.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, on Sunday they went looking at my clock. It
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was the first twenty five or individual drills. Then they
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did some seven on seven, then he did some team,
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then they went to specials, and then they went back
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to whatever they did that they were doing earlier or so.
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But it varies by camp, you know, it's very it
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varies by camp. They don't all do that. It's it's
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what you think you need. And bo Nick has tweaked
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it since twenty one. He's tweaked it over the years
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about how he wants it done. Definitely, definitely.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just the fact that that practice on Monday
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was almost two hours alone was I'm just gonna say,
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early camps.
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Speaker 3: I remember I called you, like, let's say they had
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a practice at one, I don't know whatever. In year one,
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they weren't all at ten o'clock. He said, why you
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call me? I said, because practice over. You're like, what
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are you talking about? I saidude, I think it's forty
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three minutes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought there were still doing press conferences at
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that point. I didn't know.
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Speaker 3: They had arted practicing. What's that, I.
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Speaker 1: Said, I didn't even realize they had started practicing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right, right. I think they might have had
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won like thirty sei menutes. Yeah, the but sports science
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or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So in general, we'll get into some of the
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positions in the second.
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Speaker 2: I did think, Andrew, curious on your thought for this
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this practice on Monday.
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Speaker 1: I thought the offense bounced back.
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Speaker 2: I thought, you know, especially for being backed up a
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lot and having the defense coming out you I just
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thought the offense looked more crisper and more more fluid
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than in the past few days.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I thought Hurts was in a really good rhythm delivering
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the football. A lot of mid range throws for him.
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The Key had some really pinpoint accurate passes today, but
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they were keeping the defense sort of reeling. I can
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remember he talked about the DeVante Smith crossing route. There's
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another one to Kylin grantson where he found the saft
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spot in the zone. Jaywin delivers in the football and
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I think it was in front of maybe Smile Mondon
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and Reid blank and Ship and just some you know,
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touch and accuracy.
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Speaker 5: And he kept the offense on schedule today, yeah Monday.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, which is good to see. And that's part
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of what you're going to see a camp. You're going
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to see one side of the ball dominate than the other.
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And you know, the defense.
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Speaker 1: Had gotten a couple of really good days in a row.
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Speaker 2: So it's nice to see the offense bounce back about
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Let's talk about the running back thing position here. Barkley
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got a nice heavy workload over the weekend, got a
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little bit more of a workload again on Monday.
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Speaker 1: Not as much as probably the weekend. But where's where
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are we looking at to me?
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Speaker 2: Because right now Will Shipley is the more versatile back
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as opposed to Dylan, But Dylan's getting his fair share
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of carries too. I mean, if I think I said
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this to Adam in the pod that dropped Monday, if
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they had to make the fifty three right now, it
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looks like both all three make it and that's your
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three running backs.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, yeah, okay, I just wanted to just yeah.
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Speaker 3: There was never a chance Dylan was going to get cut.
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It's just as long as he.
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Speaker 2: Was nest right, oh yeah, unless he was healthy, right, yeah,
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exactly right.
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Speaker 3: It's just the thing with him is though, and he
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looks fine. I've watched him quite a bit. He looks fine.
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Shipley's just more explosive, I understand. Like that from scot
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e standpoint, there's a real question about how much Shipley
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can handle. Sure, here's a weird body. Like if you
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looked at his weight, you go, oh, he should be fine,
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but he's not because it's the way he's built. One
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of the things that's I've learned through twenty seven years
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is the scouting people look at body types different than
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the media and the public does. They look at body
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type shape, not so much weight. It's how you're built.
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Where is your weight? Is it lower? Body? Oruur body?
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Is it both? Is it thighs? Is it's is it can't?
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Is it's is it deltoid's Is it where you built?
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And that's the thing with Shipley, He's say lower, he's
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small on his backside. That matters when you talk about
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volume carriage.
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Speaker 2: But maybe that also is why he can be a
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little juicier than say Quadzilla who has the two hundred,
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who's got two hundred of his two hundred whatever pounds
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just in his quads alone. Talking about aj Dillon, I
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mean he's yeah, he's a big dude with those.
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Speaker 3: Can't miss that, by the way, it's impossible to miss that.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I will say and again these are this
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is just a note on practice squad guys Montreal.
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Speaker 1: Harris has been out right, so I thought Montell Johnson.
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Speaker 2: I thought, son Derek Powell has shown his juice that
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he obviously has his size Andrew, but I mean he's
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made a couple of nice cutback runs and scampered through
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some holes.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he has. And it wasn't just today there, It
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wasn't just Monday.
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Speaker 4: There were other days last week that I thought, you know,
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stretch run play, you see his explosiveness. I actually think
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despite being five foot seven hundred and eighty three pounds,
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he also holds up relatively well in pass pro. He's
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a stronger running back more than you would think for
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his size. He's an interesting player because he can also
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return kicks and he has really good speed. Very productive
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college player. I can't wait to see what he can
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do in the preseason.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we thought he.
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Speaker 2: Might be by the way, we thought he might be
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one of those training camp darlings as we call him,
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because of the speed and because you don't tackle running
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back to the ground. So there have been a few
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runs by him by even Jalen Hurts where they called
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it down but it's not he could have or the
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opposite where he just speeds right past the guy because
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he can't really be hit.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is built well. The thing is that now
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he is depending who's measuring him, he might be under
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but he's well built. He's more you know, he's a
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change up. He's a kind of guy. Theoretically he'll be
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in a practice squad. Yeah, it's hard to find it
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because you have to find it. Like why would you
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keep him? Well, if he has two, if he's three
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great preseason games, you don't want to risk it. And
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you're like, wow, we found some we can't risk it
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and you keep them. But the thing is with Montreal
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Johnson out he's coming on here. He's he can make
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it interesting. And his vertical was really good at the
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pro day, so it was over forty, which is really
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really good. So there's something there with his kid, no doubt.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So, speaking of the training camp, Darling, that we didn't
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see coming probably was Elijah Cooks, who continues to make catches.
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I know he beat Adri Jackson a couple of times
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on Monday.
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Speaker 1: He's clearly making more plays and more plays consistently than.
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Speaker 2: Johnny Wilson, maybe even an Ayah Smith, although Aias is
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not underperforming, but clearly Cooks is having a good camp.
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But Andrew I just don't know that it's we know this.
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It's not always a meritocracy, you know, like you if
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you're not a certain draft level, if you're not expected,
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like you're hoping to make the practice squad. I don't
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know if Cooks, no matter what he does, can crack
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this top four, won't roll it out.
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Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts? Well?
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Speaker 4: In order for him to be able to do that,
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special teams obviously plays a big part of it. He's
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only played forty two snaps over eleven games during his
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time with.
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Speaker 5: The Jacksonville Jaguars.
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Speaker 4: What I like about Cooks is that he does a
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nice job using his body for positioning, shielding defensive backs,
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using his basketball background in contesting Cats situations doesn't separate
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as well as maybe you'd like. Kind of reminds me
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of Joseph Nagata in that kind of way from last summer.
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But he's made more often than that. He's made the
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plays when they've come to him, and he has made
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more plays this summer, for what it's worth, than Johnny Wilson.
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Speaker 2: So, Adam, let's look at the picture here. It's always
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about the numbers, right, Your number one is into you
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got a J Brown you got DeVante Smith, you got
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Johan Dotson.
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Speaker 1: As top three right there.
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Speaker 3: Yep, that's you know.
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Speaker 2: I feel like at this point a Nia Smith is
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is playing himself on.
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Speaker 1: To the fifty three plus. He can give you some returnability,
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but it's more than.
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Speaker 5: Maybe he had a he had another.
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Speaker 4: He had a drop on an opportunity Jalen hurts at
18:19
during team period.
18:22
Speaker 3: You know.
18:22
Speaker 4: It just he hasn't made a ton of plays during
18:24
team periods and one on ones. He's done a really
18:27
nice job separating. He usually matched up against Cooper Degen,
18:29
but he hasn't really made any sort of a dent
18:33
in terms of his opportunities in the team period.
18:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is when he plays the Z position. It's
18:39
just and we were talking about a Monday show they
18:41
were douce him a little bit. He's just not explosive
18:43
like that. There's a certain way you need to use
18:46
him to get the most at him, because he's not
18:48
He's not gonna win on his own. It's got he's
18:50
got to be schemed open. But getting back to Cooks,
18:54
whether he was at Nevada and then he transferred to
18:56
San Jose stay for one year, The word from a
18:58
scouting standpoint from looking at my is that he was
19:01
a late separator. Like he he wouldn't get a lot,
19:04
but he would use his body really well and then
19:06
he'd run after the catch. There's definitely something there with him.
19:09
He definitely runs better. It's not even close between him
19:12
and Johnny Wilson.
19:13
Speaker 5: He runs better.
19:15
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Andrew made the point it's gonna come down
19:17
on special teams that that number four job's completely open
19:20
and it's an outside job. It's gonna be the backup
19:22
X receiver. They have to figure out who the backup
19:25
SZ will be. That'll that'll well, I'm sorry, it's Dots
19:28
and Dots would be the back up. See what am
19:30
I talking about? But yeah, backup X not that Dots
19:33
that can't play it. But you want a bigger body,
19:34
you really do you need a bigger body.
19:36
Speaker 2: I mean, they don't even play Dots, and uh, you
19:39
know Andrew and I were talking about this. I mean
19:40
they they reduce his splits so much, and you know,
19:43
every once in a while we'll see him line up
19:44
wide and then they'll run it. So so they clearly
19:46
don't feel like Dotson is a guy who's gonna win consistently.
19:50
From the outside. I know, I can't wait for the
19:52
commenters to say, well, what about the pass he caught
19:54
in the Super Bowl that was from the out?
19:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, great, that was one. That's nice. But he
19:59
consistently he lines up in.
20:00
Speaker 2: A reduced split, So they clearly are telling you that
20:03
they don't think he can line up outside and win consistently.
20:06
But neither can Johnny Wilson, who we've seen at camp.
20:10
Johnny Wilson runs with a twos. He gets the ball
20:12
thrown his way every once in a while, but he
20:13
doesn't play to his size. He seems to catch the
20:16
ball only when he's wide open in the middle of
20:18
his own Like if we're talking about this receiver picture here,
20:21
not only are they is there not a clear number four?
20:24
But usually he keep five And I don't know that
20:26
there's a clear four or five at this point.
20:28
Speaker 1: And that brings up the depth concerns that you might have.
20:31
Speaker 3: Andrew Avery Williams, I mean, I know.
20:34
Speaker 1: He's mean the up back on special teams.
20:36
Speaker 3: I tell that, what are your thoughts of him, because
20:39
I'm not seeing it so far.
20:41
Speaker 4: Well, I haven't seen him offensively at all, but as
20:43
a return man he hasn't gotten a lot of opportunities
20:45
either at him. He seems to me that he's a
20:47
core coverage guy. I was taking note of the first
20:50
team kickoff group and he was on it multiple on
20:53
multiple occasions. He's done that with it Atlanta.
20:57
Speaker 5: I don't know. It's sort of a mystery.
20:58
Speaker 4: They nick Sirianni's seeing bullish on him at the owner's meetings,
21:02
and I haven't really seen it. I think they would
21:05
probably love for Anayah Smith to be able to step
21:07
up as a punt returner in the preseason, but there's
21:11
no clear cut favorite in my opinion for the return job.
21:14
Speaker 3: Jeff on that contract for Avery Williams, which he got
21:17
one point two five one two two five one point
21:20
two two five million, four hundred grand's fully guaranteed of that.
21:23
That's not a lot. That's not going to keep him
21:25
on the roster. He's going to have to perform. Yeah,
21:27
but what Andrew just brought up, that was what we
21:29
were excited about. Now, I know it's certainly we're still
21:32
we're not there yet, we're not even halfway through training
21:34
camp yet. But that, and we know he was hurt
21:37
during Ota' sins. He was dealing with ever whatever lower
21:41
body injury or something. But the bottom line is clock's
21:44
ticking here.
21:45
Speaker 2: He needs to show up certainly, and again it's it's
21:48
about him, but it's also about the position where you
21:52
know who's gonna be your punt returner, who's gonna be
21:54
your kick returner, and who is going to round out
21:57
your depth at wide receiver.
22:00
Speaker 1: All lots of questions right now.
22:01
Speaker 2: Do you think Will Shipley could still be the kick
22:02
returner and occupy I think he could. I just can't
22:07
imagine that the team wants Cooper to gene again to
22:10
be the punt returner, so they got to figure out
22:12
a way to get somebody in there who they also
22:16
want to have on the fifty three.
22:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really interesting, Jeff, because there's a lot of
22:21
young wide receivers that are obviously long shots and probably
22:24
practice squad bound. Taylor Moran from Wake Forest, Darius Cooper,
22:30
Giles Jackson, they've all repped there, but their chances of
22:33
making the roster are pretty slim. I think it's really
22:37
between Avery Williams and a Naias Smith for punt return.
22:41
Will I think can do the kick return just fine.
22:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, So we'll continue to monitor that.
22:47
I mean wide receiver depth we said was a little
22:49
bit of a concern going into camp, and it remains
22:52
well now. Moran did have a touchdown running with the
22:54
threes in that red zone drill, and then Giles Jackson
22:57
on Monday probably had the most high right highlight reel
23:00
play of the day. He caught a bomb from Dorian
23:03
Thomson Robinson about fifty yards would have been a touchdown,
23:07
and he had to adjust because the past even though
23:09
he beat who he'd be Perry, Yeah, the ball was
23:14
thrown to the inside instead of leading him to the outside,
23:16
so we had to make a nice over the shoulder
23:18
catch with an adjustment on Andrew Andrews.
23:20
Speaker 1: So it was really nice play by Giles Jackson.
23:22
Speaker 2: But you know, I can't see Jiles Jackson making this
23:25
fifty three out of camp either.
23:26
Speaker 3: One thing, Darius Cooper, I'll say this, I've watched him
23:29
quite a bit because I like, because of the ego's
23:31
history of undrafter friedg is making it right. It's really
23:34
going back to Corey Clement kind of learned my lesson,
23:37
just don't discount a guy because he's an undrafted freger
23:40
not making the team, and we just talked, well, we've
23:42
talked about this. There's a waterfa opportunity for got to
23:45
come out of nowhere. I'm sure he's not going to
23:49
make the team, reasonably sure on it. But Darius Cooper's
23:52
built better than Avery Williams, Taylor Moran and Nice Smith,
23:56
Giles Jackson. He's got he's got a he's kid out
24:00
of Charleton State. He's built really well. He's an interesting player.
24:05
He'd be better for a practice squad. But there was
24:07
something there, something, Yeah.
24:09
Speaker 5: Believe me.
24:09
Speaker 4: If there's anyone who doesn't discredit, discredit undrafted free agent,
24:13
it's me because I know I've seen a lot of
24:16
these guys play at the collegiate level. It's just trying
24:18
to find ways where they're going to be able to
24:20
realistically fit in the equation. That's where the preseason games
24:23
obviously come into play.
24:24
Speaker 2: There you go, awesome, All right, let's go over to defense,
24:29
unless there was anything else. Oh, offensively, I did want
24:31
to get into the offensive line real quick, just to
24:34
give you a few observations.
24:36
Speaker 1: You know, the whole Kenyan Green thing to me is
24:39
it's it is what it is.
24:41
Speaker 2: It's if you get practice on Monday, and that is
24:47
after Thomas Booker worked in pretty well, and I even
24:50
thought Jillen Carter. Now you can say, of course, well
24:52
Jalen Carter is way better, and he is, but Jalen
24:55
Carter looked to me like he was going at half
24:57
speed and still got the best of ken Kenya's like
25:01
looked like his feet were in quicksand like it just
25:03
you know, maybe he was sick because he did puke,
25:05
or maybe just wasn't feeling well. But that's sort of
25:08
the microcosm of not just his career but also a
25:11
short ego sendure here where he just does nothing to
25:14
stand out.
25:16
Speaker 4: Right, I haven't been overly impressed with what I've seen.
25:19
He's been getting second team work as of the last
25:21
few days at left guard, doesn't he hasn't maximized his opportunity,
25:26
and obviously today he left practice early, so it's not great.
25:32
His outlook hasn't been great through nine practices now.
25:36
Speaker 2: On the flip side, one of the rookie I think
25:39
the two rookie linemen that standout had been Hit Miles
25:41
Hitting and Drew Kendall. And I watched the one on
25:43
ones and I thought Kendall was really good. He was
25:47
going up against that. So they did it this day.
25:49
They did consecutive stats. You go against the guy, then
25:51
you go against guy again, and it was him versus
25:54
Gabe Hall, and his combination of hand usage and footwork
25:59
was really good.
26:00
Speaker 1: He was able to.
26:01
Speaker 2: Punch and then anchor, anchor, anchor, he couldn't. He did
26:04
not on two consecutive snaps. He's stonewalled Gabe Hale, who's
26:08
a pretty good athlete. I'm not trying to make Gayball
26:09
out to be John Carter, but he's a good athlete.
26:12
And Kendall won on technique and fundamentals more than like
26:17
athleticism or strength to power. He just had a plan
26:20
for how to stop Gab Hale and executed it twice,
26:23
even though on the second rush Gabe tried a little
26:25
bit of a different move and Kendall was still there.
26:27
Speaker 1: So I thought that was really good development for that.
26:29
Speaker 4: It's interesting he mentioned footwork and talking to Drew Kendall
26:32
a couple of days ago after practice, he mentioned that
26:34
that was probably the most I guess it was the
26:38
biggest takeaway from Jeff Stoutlin. Thus far is honing in
26:41
on the footwork and you can definitely see it when
26:43
he's out there.
26:44
Speaker 5: It is noticeable.
26:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Hitton's been pretty decent, I would say as.
26:48
Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, yeah, he got his first second team reps
26:54
through camp to this point.
26:55
Speaker 1: So let's take an overall look.
26:57
Speaker 2: We know the starting five r because Steen right now
26:59
is uncontested right guard. So if you're talking about the
27:03
first few guys off the bench, you think Lamb right
27:06
now is running second, He's way, He's absolutely this way.
27:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. Or you know, we talked about maybe you'd want
27:12
to play.
27:12
Speaker 2: Matt Prior a rat right tackle and keep Kendall Lamb
27:15
at left hand.
27:15
Speaker 3: We'll see who. And Pryor was right on money, But
27:20
to me, Prior will be the first guard off the bench.
27:23
I think that because a couple of things. Keegan's certainly
27:26
not that guy yet, Kenny Green is not that guy,
27:29
Kennel's only a center now, and Darrying Canard I know
27:33
we could play right tackled right guard, but Kennel Lambs
27:36
play has started games in the National FOOTBA League at
27:38
right and left tackle, and Hinton's not ready yet. But
27:42
prior to me, Prior to me is very valuable. You know,
27:44
it's interesting if you go back and look when he started.
27:47
Look he in preseason in twenty one. I was doing
27:50
some research on playing time for preseason Prior played Prior
27:55
played guard in twenty twenty one here in the YEP.
27:58
Speaker 1: I remember that, by the way, right.
28:00
Speaker 5: Over one thousand snaps last season for the Bears, that
28:03
right guard. Amazing thousand over a thousand.
28:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd have to say, I gots give him credit.
28:10
Speaker 2: On Monday, he turned in the block of the of
28:12
the practice, so he had a try. He came from
28:15
he was at right tackle, but he must have been
28:17
pulling to the left side or trap or whatever it was,
28:20
but there was a blitzer. I don't think we were
28:22
able to catch the number, but he put it right
28:24
into the guy's mid section. I think the guy tried
28:27
to leave his feet and Prior just drove right into
28:30
his mid section and knocked him on his ass, which
28:32
you don't see a whole lot of in even in.
28:34
Speaker 1: Pads in the practice. So that was a good block
28:36
by him.
28:36
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you're looking at backups, you've got I
28:39
don't know if I would expose hitting the waivers.
28:41
Speaker 1: I know we always say no, there's.
28:42
Speaker 2: No chances, So he's making it Kendall's gonna make it
28:47
prior Lamb. That's that's four right there, So you're starting
28:50
five those four is nine and then you got to
28:53
decide are.
28:54
Speaker 1: You taking Keegan? Are you taking Kenyan Green?
28:57
Speaker 5: Are you I think it'll be Canard at least right now.
29:01
Speaker 2: Canard, Yeah, I was gonna throw that in there too,
29:03
so or do you go real, real heavy, which they've
29:07
done in the past.
29:07
Speaker 1: So we'll see what they do there.
29:10
Speaker 2: Move over to defense, Jahad Campbell continues to, like I said,
29:14
we said, continues to play pretty much every snap. With
29:18
Bawn out and with Nikobe Dean out, you're seeing a
29:21
lot of Jihad Campbell, Trotter and smile Manden Adam and
29:26
I talked about this the other day Andrew that it
29:28
just we're not trying to overreact, but it certainly feels
29:30
like the Eagles are probably in as good of shape
29:34
at inside linebacker from a no how an athleticism standpoint,
29:38
a don't embarrass the franchise standpoint, like six or seven
29:42
years ago, you know, circa probably since I've covered the team,
29:46
you know, going back to like maybe once they started
29:49
moving on from Trotter and Trotter Senior.
29:52
Speaker 4: Well, it's a group that has a very diverse skill
29:55
set and they all have different strengths. It's funny because
29:59
you have a be and like Zach Bond, who's at
30:01
twenty eight years old, the oldest projected starter on defense,
30:06
and you have some athletic players there as well, that
30:09
led by Jahid Campbell.
30:11
Speaker 5: And you know, long, long gone.
30:13
Speaker 4: Are the days where it was the patchwork approach, the
30:17
one year prove it deal signings, the late round picks
30:20
like a Moses Folkoers or what have you. And they've
30:23
really invested into the position and you're seeing it. They're
30:27
they're setting it up for the foreseeable future to have,
30:29
you know, sustained success.
30:31
Speaker 5: Yeah.
30:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to see Adam.
30:33
Speaker 2: We talked about on the last part his Adam's declaration
30:36
a couple of years ago twenty twenty two that the
30:39
Eagles will not embarrass themselves with their linebacker play, and
30:42
they didn't.
30:43
Speaker 1: T J Edwards played well.
30:44
Speaker 3: The fans won't be right, The fans won't be embarrassed.
30:46
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, yes, will not be embarrassed by the
30:49
Eagles players.
30:50
Speaker 3: Promise you, I said, I promise you. I'm telling you
30:52
They're not gonna be better. Look, Teach, I think it
30:54
was you know what, Jeff's funny, It was your point
30:56
that you had the spring you'd heard that he'd really
31:00
been working on his coverage ability. Well that showed up
31:03
because he was really bad in coverage when he first
31:05
got there. I think you had to note that he'd
31:07
lose weight or something.
31:08
Speaker 2: He lost a little weight to be a little rangier,
31:10
and like you say, losing weight doesn't make you a
31:12
better anything, but it did help him to get to
31:16
where he wanted to be with the know how that
31:18
he was getting.
31:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean there, Well, look zach
31:23
Baum being a superstar in the making, being a first
31:27
team All Pro, which is crazy. Trot Junior, by the way,
31:30
and he's done nothing to not start week one for Nakobe. Now,
31:35
Campbell's playing the will, Trotter's playing the mic, so that
31:39
they have to figure out kind of how what that's
31:40
going to look like. But my point is this, Campbell's
31:43
coming on. You know, he's he looks great. Trotter's more instinctive.
31:48
Campbell's relatively new to the position. Typically, if the first
31:51
round is ready, he doesn't sit. It just doesn't. You
31:53
just don't the first round of plays in the fifth
31:55
round wouldn't play. But it's not that easy with this
31:57
thing because Trotter's did nothing so far, not the play
32:00
early on. So this one is something to watch as
32:02
we go along here.
32:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
32:05
Speaker 2: True or false, Fellas, josh Uche having a good camp
32:09
is well, I'll say this, not true or false, good
32:12
or bad. Josh Ucha having a good camp for the
32:15
Eagles pass rush? What does that say about the state
32:17
of the Eagles pass rush?
32:18
Speaker 1: Andrew?
32:20
Speaker 5: I mean, he's having had some moments.
32:22
Speaker 4: I just think that that that's kind of what goes
32:25
with training camp. You learn about players and their hope.
32:28
They were probably hoping to get to have him experience
32:31
a resurgence, and he's had some good moments. They really
32:34
need him to be, you know, a critical depth piece.
32:37
So I think that's that's all good.
32:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's good for the Eagles,
32:42
or let me let me put this phrase it differently.
32:45
It's good for josh Uche, who has not done anything
32:47
in three years to showcase that he can. He still,
32:51
as Greg Cosel said, there's something in there and he's
32:54
showing it in this camp. But at some point, maybe
32:58
this time next week, when.
32:59
Speaker 1: We're all potting after the preseason.
33:00
Speaker 2: Game, we're gonna have to say, hey, you know what,
33:03
the Eagles pass rush is starting to show up as
33:05
a as a unit here, not just the flash is
33:08
because so far it really hasn't been like that.
33:11
Speaker 4: I Meanjali hasn't done a whole lot in his opportunities,
33:16
but then again, you know has so I don't know
33:19
that it says anything other than he's he's really trying
33:21
to make the most of this opportunity.
33:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, and with with Ucha, the past two years a
33:26
bit of disaster. And let's call it like it is.
33:27
He's had one productive years twenty two. He's phenomenal with
33:31
eleven and a half sacks. Pressure rate was really high,
33:35
and then he just kind of fell off and New
33:36
England New Orleans didn't want them. He got trade of
33:40
Kansas City. He couldn't get on the field because he
33:42
just it he was He played a non man front
33:46
in New England and New Land and the Chase run
33:48
of forty three, so it's just a bad fit. Now
33:51
he's back in a nod man front. He looks good
33:53
by the way. He's clearly the three as of now now,
33:57
if Ojala shows up and doesn't in the preseason, could change.
34:02
Next week, it could change. We're just telling you where
34:04
we're at here. Uhha, looks better, There's no question. Like
34:08
the first three days of camp it was all Ojelari
34:12
and now it's taken the lead here. We'll see where
34:15
this goes.
34:16
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Jlex Hunt was owned by Jordan Mylott. I meant
34:21
to say on the one on Wondrells, Now that doesn't
34:23
necessarily mean anything. I was actually more impressed with my Lot,
34:25
who's really come a long way in these one on Wondrills,
34:29
because you know, his technique was always he's always a
34:32
big dude who was a great athlete. But now the
34:34
technique and the footwork is really coming along as he
34:37
gets up. But he really he gave Jaylex Hunt a
34:39
lot of issues in the one on Wondrills.
34:41
Speaker 1: So we'll monitor this.
34:43
Speaker 2: We'll keep talking about the past rush and the state
34:45
of it as as practices go along. All right, So
34:49
at corner, obviously all the attention on Killey Ringo versus
34:54
Adri Jackson Andrew has has Eli. Rix said, hold on,
34:59
I'm entering the conversation here because he's had some nice practices.
35:03
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if we're quite to that point,
35:05
and but Vic said, yeah, he can this morning or
35:08
Monday morning when he spoke entered the conversation. But he
35:12
has to be a little bit more consistent day to day.
35:15
He's had the last couple of practices a lot of
35:18
pass breakups against Elijah Cooks. Has been kind of must watch.
35:21
Two big framed players fighting for the football, using their
35:25
body to their advantage. And he's had the better. He's
35:28
gotten the better of Cooks in those matchups, and he's
35:30
playing with a lot more confidence. I wrote a story
35:32
about him on Inside the Birds dot com ballas is
35:35
the second year in the defense. He's sort of playing
35:38
a lot faster and more aggressive, and he's trying to
35:41
be more physical. He's not the biggest guy in the world.
35:43
He has a wiry bill, but he's trying to you know,
35:47
you could see it against with receivers, but also in
35:49
the in the running game as well, try to throw
35:51
his body in there to make some plays.
35:54
Speaker 2: The question would be as their room for him, you know,
35:57
ticically keep about five corners, right he's on.
36:01
Speaker 3: I think we'll be on the team specials specials really
36:05
counts and that that's you know, that's going to help him, right?
36:08
Speaker 2: Well, does are you saying that Andrew thinking that both
36:11
Jackson and Ringo make it no matter what, or that
36:15
only one of those two are going to make it?
36:17
Speaker 4: I think in general, regardless that they've proven they kept
36:20
six last year. Rix was on the roster last year
36:23
as the six, and he didn't really play any special teams.
36:27
He played about fifty one snaps over seven games. They
36:31
like him as a coverage player and he's a developmental
36:33
type of guy. Eventually, they're going to have to start
36:36
paying their defensive players and you can't necessarily go heavy
36:39
and throw out a lot of money for depth pieces,
36:41
and he kind of gives you some cost effective depth.
36:44
He's a twenty three year old corner who can cover
36:46
a little bit. I mean at the NFL level, that's
36:49
those players coming to premium.
36:51
Speaker 3: But now Rix didn't play because we talked last year
36:53
that the staff didn't like him at all. They buried
36:55
him as soon as they got him. That's why he
36:57
But when he plays, he's going to play on special teams.
36:59
That's most likely. If he makes it, he's it's gonna
37:02
be hard he just doesn't run well enough. But the
37:04
thing that I loved about him two years ago, they
37:06
he did everything they asked, right the former staff, all
37:11
things that he probably had had didn't think he'd have
37:13
to do. He did it because they need him to
37:15
do it. That matters, man. That that's when you accept
37:18
you know, when you play for Nick Saban, that has
37:20
something to do with it that you you you do
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your job. But Rix has got some value in this league.
37:25
He has some value. Ideally he's a fourth corner. But
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that's okay, that's that's that'd be fine for him.
37:32
Speaker 2: So I guess you can keep him without going over six. Right,
37:36
you would keep Dejene, you would keep Mitchell, you would keep.
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Speaker 3: Jean's not a corner though they don't cut them as
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the corner.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm six is a combination of Nichols and outsides.
37:46
They're not gonna keep six outside corners. I'm talking about
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just in general and Nicholas.
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Speaker 4: Heen, Mitchell, mac McWilliams, maybe Dori Jackson or whoever, and
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Eli Rix.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that could work. That can work.
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Speaker 2: Now they would have to go light maybe somewhere else,
38:02
but they could do that because I think last year
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they went a little lighter at DT than they had
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in the past, So we'll see how the numbers work
38:09
their way out there, all right, Anything else on defense
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that jumped out to you, Andrew.
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Speaker 5: Smile.
38:18
Speaker 4: Mandan is a physical player, despite what his frame might
38:22
suggest at six foot two, two hundred and twenty five pounds,
38:25
he's rangy, he's sidelined a sideline type of speed. But
38:28
he made a nice play attacking downhill and tagging Saquon
38:31
Barkley on a running play, and I think that really
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showcases his physicality that he brings.
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Speaker 5: He's caught my eye the last few practices, all right.
38:41
Speaker 2: And obviously we're seeing Cooper de Gene also, by the way,
38:44
in a lot of bass. I mean he's I think
38:46
the whole outside corner and base thing is done. I
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mean he's just basically playing safety now in bass and
38:51
then nickel and nickel.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, any outside corner, have.
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Speaker 5: You no no outside this summer.
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Speaker 4: I also think we should outline Quinnon Mitchell peeling off
39:01
his receiver and making a nice play to intercept Tanner
39:04
McKee when it was the second team offense versus the starters. Yeah,
39:08
this is the guy who didn't have any interceptions in
39:09
the regular season a year ago, and he's made a
39:12
conscious effort if you've listened to what he had to
39:14
say about trying to be able to secure those this year.
39:17
He's had two this summer and that really showcases instincts
39:20
and ability to make a play on the ball.
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Speaker 3: So before we get out of here, this is the
39:24
not from a scouting standpoint, he fought the ball at Toledo.
39:27
He just that was the one thing you can say
39:30
lack of ball production. But there's a reason you have
39:32
to have to have context. We give context on the
39:34
show from scouting standpoint. The tape showed because we talked
39:38
to scouts who had that area. He fight the football.
39:40
He did. That's why he was at a receiver, right. He
39:43
just was not natural at it. But as Andrew just said,
39:46
he's working at it. It's starting to show, and it's anticipation,
39:49
it's it's route recognition. But when you have it, it's securing
39:53
it and feeling comfortable with it. Like you it's like
39:56
anything you do in sports, the more you do it,
39:59
the more you get comfort with it. This is really
40:01
the next evolution because everything else is elite. He's got
40:04
to be better with the ball.
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Speaker 1: So I wonder how much because I like these concentration drills.
40:08
Speaker 2: They're doing where you get three footballs with color coded
40:12
footballs thrown out to you and you have to catch
40:14
the one of the color that they tell you, which
40:17
I've seen this in baseball hitting, where you throw three
40:20
balls up and you tell them to hit the specific
40:22
one right where it helps you isolate the one thing
40:25
and get your hands on it.
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Speaker 1: As fast as possible.
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Speaker 2: I think they're doing that with all the corners, right
40:29
Andrew that drill with the color different colored footballs. Yeah, so,
40:34
and because a couple of them have mentioned how much
40:37
that has helped, like eye, hand coordination and concentration.
40:40
Speaker 1: So if it's working, that's great, good for them. Awesome.
40:43
Speaker 2: All right, before we get out of here, just a
40:45
little bit of what to expect with starters playing in
40:49
the preseason there we've talked about this. Defensive players who
40:53
are potential starters are absolutely going to have to play
40:56
in the first preseason game because right now, Vicky said
41:00
he needed evaluation on Monday at a press conference, and
41:03
he needs to see certain guys.
41:04
Speaker 3: Yes, by the way, last year this is there was
41:06
a change, so Beckton. I'm gonna look at both sides.
41:09
I did. I went back to you know, I went
41:11
back and researched this. So Nick has kind of changed
41:13
it over the years. This is what you were talking about, Jeff.
41:16
Last year, Beckton played on offense in the first game,
41:18
some starters played on defense in the first game set
41:21
game two, all backups on offense, some starters on defense.
41:25
Bond was one of them. Now, I think with Bond
41:28
it wasn't that they didn't know he was going to start.
41:30
They needed to get They needed to see him in
41:32
game just in games and then game three, none of
41:35
the starters played in twenty twenty three. It was all backups.
41:39
As a matter of fact, they have the joint practice
41:41
with Cleveland here in Philly, So if you have joints,
41:45
you typically don't need to play starters. Right. Well, well
41:48
more on this than the next show. I just wanted
41:49
to bring that up because early in Knick's career, man,
41:52
he was mixing and matching starters some weeks, some not.
41:56
It just depended on what they felt they needed to see.
41:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember very clearly Nick saying two years
42:03
ago that those practices against the Browns were so intense
42:07
and got so many reps in that he felt like,
42:10
like you said that, they didn't need any time in
42:13
that preseason game.
42:14
Speaker 1: So but this is a differ.
42:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, there's there's no joint practice with
42:18
the Bengals, and then secondly, there are so many jobs
42:21
up for grabs, you know. Vic Vick even said it
42:23
at the press conference. I need to see these guys
42:25
play reps.
42:25
Speaker 3: So that's it. You're right, that's why you should do it.
42:28
And with the Cleveland because remember talking to the Browns,
42:31
they felt like the Eagles took it to them in
42:33
Bria the year before, and I would say it's true
42:35
being there and I was the former NFL had coach.
42:38
I ran into there said the same thing. So that
42:40
the Eagles beat the hell out of them, and the
42:42
Browns didn't forget it because they brought it. They actually
42:45
did some planning for that. Typically you don't. You just
42:47
you you're running certain drills and plays. You let the opponent,
42:50
you let your team the Eagles, hey, this is what
42:52
we want to do. They brought a little something because
42:55
they egos kicked their ass there. That's that's probably one
42:58
of the times you could see the Gals had something
43:00
srucial going on. Usually you don't see that. Usually you
43:02
can't tell that much. But the Eagles kick their ass
43:05
in twenty two in Train to Camp very good.
43:08
Speaker 2: All right, So that's a little bit of a preview
43:10
of what to uh perhaps expect when the Eagles played
43:13
the Bengals Thursday night. But we'll have more on that
43:16
later this week. That's gonna do it for this episode
43:18
of Inside the Birds, the leading podcast and the Eagles
43:22
Intel for Andrew to Checko and Adam Kaplan.
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Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher.
43:25
Speaker 2: Thanks for flying with us Inside the Birds.