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EP 2 | The Curse of Black Magic (w Hafidz Rahman) · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: Where my mom would say this thing is trying to
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  Speaker 1: come in and then she gets possessed, right? And then
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  Speaker 1: it's just like frustrating. So at first I get really scared, scared.
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  Speaker 1: You see, you know, and then as it happens many,
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  Speaker 1: many times you get frustrated because it would happen like
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  Speaker 1: during weddings.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, my name is Hafiz,
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  Speaker 2: my name is Ryan. My name is Wayne
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  Speaker 2: and my name is Kyle and this is Tales from
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  Speaker 2: Incredible Tales together with some very special guests. We're taking
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  Speaker 2: a look back at incredible tales, a horror anthology that
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  Speaker 2: add on channel five from 2004 to 2017. We will
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  Speaker 2: also be asking them some of their very own scary stories.
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  Speaker 2: Our guest for this episode is Hafid Raman.
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  Speaker 1: The energy that was, it was all pretense. Rahman was
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  Speaker 1: being asked to do it.
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  Speaker 1: He brought
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  Speaker 2: the horror energy to him, right? Telling those stories that hi,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot because if I get too intense with it, right,
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  Speaker 1: then it messes up with my head. So I just
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  Speaker 1: need to like go from a space where it's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: very
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  Speaker 2: happy. Thank you. I'm quite sure you've pretty much set
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  Speaker 2: the tone for the rest of this episode, you all
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  Speaker 2: know what to expect from you on. So Har is
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  Speaker 2: currently an arts educator and a working actor who has
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  Speaker 2: worked with the theater, practice
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  Speaker 2: Checkpoint Theater, Dream Academy Theater and also theater company amongst
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  Speaker 2: many others. He has a podcast that aptly titled the
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  Speaker 2: podcast which celebrates everything Malay while also dedicating a fair
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  Speaker 2: amount of time to horror stories to in his free time.
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  Speaker 2: He dresses up as a much for Las. You are
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  Speaker 2: obviously like a household name in terms of horror in
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  Speaker 2: because everybody listen to hunt to like, like and then
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  Speaker 2: you will go into your tangent about it. I think,
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  Speaker 2: I think I feel something then
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  Speaker 1: I will be like, terrible.
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  Speaker 2: You don't scare me anymore. It's like, yeah. Yeah. But
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  Speaker 2: I love it. Then it's like my cat just like
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  Speaker 2: me and some Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I, I give so I record, I don't have
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  Speaker 1: a studio, right? So everything is very gary last time
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  Speaker 1: everything is in my bedroom. So of course, you,
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  Speaker 1: you get people going, walking at the corridor, my cat
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  Speaker 1: scratching at the door. So people, you show people, people
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  Speaker 1: are
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  Speaker 1: that I don't need additional stress. It's people, people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, in every episode of t For Incredible Tales,
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  Speaker 2: we will explore different theme and how it ties to
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  Speaker 2: some classic Incredible
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  Speaker 1: Tales episodes.
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  Speaker 2: Nice. So for this episode, just for you Hafiz, we're
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  Speaker 2: looking at black magic and curses.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's got a favorite. Oh, we will have time for the,
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  Speaker 2: this episode was inspired by the Bequest and the heirloom.
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  Speaker 2: Both from season two. The bequest is a story from
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  Speaker 2: Malaysia in which Nora, a city girl who lives a
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  Speaker 2: decadent life goes to. He goes to her home village
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  Speaker 2: to see her aunt who is dying of a mysterious illness.
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  Speaker 2: The heirloom is a story from Indonesia. A newly wed
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  Speaker 2: young man moves into his father's house to take care
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  Speaker 2: of him against his wishes. The young man gets disturbing
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  Speaker 2: flashbacks of his childhood involving a bloody Chris. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So do you remember watching all this episode? I
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  Speaker 1: did, I did, I remembered watching the episode but the
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  Speaker 1: one that was an episode I remembered watching, what does
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  Speaker 1: it feel
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  Speaker 2: like? Does it bring back some memories to you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think walking into this space. I think the
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  Speaker 1: first thing that, that struck me was that picture over
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  Speaker 1: there because I remember that was like the premiere, right?
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  Speaker 1: It was in 2002, right? Good
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  Speaker 2: memory.
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  Speaker 1: This is the first episode I think it was at,
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  Speaker 1: right? So that was something I was very fascinated with
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  Speaker 1: because a friend lived in Pasir nearby. So she has
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  Speaker 2: now obviously you have covered a couple of horror stories
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  Speaker 2: to podcast. So what do you think of the portrayal
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  Speaker 2: of black magic right here in this episode?
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  Speaker 1: When I was growing up, there was an access to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, movies and all that, right? So this was
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  Speaker 1: all I had to watch, you know. So as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: I was very impressed, you know, and of course, as
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  Speaker 1: you grow older, you're like, OK, so it's quite sanitized
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  Speaker 1: for television. But when I was watching it, I remember, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I remember being crypt out three times, right? But it's
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  Speaker 1: the soundscape. The sound always sells it. Yeah. Yeah. Which is,
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  Speaker 1: which is why when I do my podcast, I don't
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  Speaker 1: put in any sounds like
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  Speaker 1: because I try to flip the horror bit like I
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  Speaker 1: think people get crypt out when there's silence.
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  Speaker 1: So I deal with that. Yeah. Yeah. Um But yeah, I,
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  Speaker 1: I actually, I wouldn't say I believe, but I've heard
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  Speaker 1: many stories of, of essentially what they call a sucker like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we passed down generations to two generations. Yeah. Sometimes unwillingly. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Actually most times unwillingly like who wants to keep a sucker? Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The thing
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  Speaker 2: is, you know, when you are at that stage, you
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  Speaker 2: are about to die but you can't,
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  Speaker 2: because it with you, you're desperate to just hold on
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  Speaker 2: somebody and just unwillingly pass one. Right? So there's this,
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  Speaker 2: I've heard stories where if there are people who are
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  Speaker 2: like that, try not to go near because the moment
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  Speaker 2: they touch you might just transfer, it's like a transfer
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  Speaker 2: automatically
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  Speaker 1: transfer or, or a lot of people always have this
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  Speaker 1: thing where when you go and visit someone who's really ill,
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  Speaker 1: don't be very ready to say yes. Yeah. Yeah. Ok.
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  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you just want to look at them
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  Speaker 1: and you really can't hear what they're saying but you
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  Speaker 1: just go like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because they might just
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  Speaker 1: because that is you saying yes. Ok. Can come give
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  Speaker 1: it to me. So, just have to be very careful,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, these are just things that we
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  Speaker 1: grew up listening from our parents. Yeah. So I was
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  Speaker 1: just a reminder of a personal family story. So I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen, I've never seen any ghosts before, ever. Ok? I, I've,
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  Speaker 1: I've maybe smelled, I maybe had like, you know, um
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  Speaker 1: tingling things where I feel like someone's watching me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But I've never seen one like
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  Speaker 1: face to face. The only thing I've seen is from
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  Speaker 1: a third person point of view where I've seen my
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  Speaker 1: mom gotten possessed. Ok. So I remembered before she got possessed,
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  Speaker 1: she would say things like
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  Speaker 1: she's trying to, this thing is trying to come to
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  Speaker 1: me and I'm like, what? Don't, don't make it scary. Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I tried to rationalize it. So in Malaysia
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  Speaker 1: say like, like this wants to enter this one to enter.
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  Speaker 1: And as a kid, I was like, no, I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a kid. I was probably my teens. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand what was it So my mom would
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  Speaker 1: get pains in her body like she would get like
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  Speaker 1: really like numbing pain and she always take Panadol. You see?
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  Speaker 1: So then I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: need to stop by because you cannot be dependent on paracetamol.
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  Speaker 1: So she always say no, no because this thing is
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  Speaker 1: coming in until one fine day. I remember I was
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  Speaker 1: watching television. I, I share with you guys my mom
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  Speaker 1: said close the door. I said, why she said there's
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  Speaker 1: a white tiger trying to enter the house. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: ha what tiger? I said there's a, there's a white tiger.
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  Speaker 1: I trying to come into the house. He's hungry and
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  Speaker 1: he wants food.
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  Speaker 1: So what does he want? This is very, very specific
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  Speaker 1: couple chalk, they want everything laid out on the banana
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  Speaker 1: leaf they want, sir, which is tobacco, they want ban,
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  Speaker 1: which is a banana. So it's very specific like this
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  Speaker 1: thing needs to be fed because it hasn't been fed
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. So he's looking for its owner
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  Speaker 1: to feed him, you know, and, and I happen to
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  Speaker 1: think that out of all my uncles and my aunts,
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  Speaker 1: I think my mom may have,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but I think my
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  Speaker 1: mom might have gotten chosen to, to take on this
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  Speaker 1: sucker because because it has happened many times, it has
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  Speaker 1: happened many times where my mom would say this thing
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  Speaker 1: is trying to come in and then she gets possessed Right.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's just like frustrating. So at first I
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  Speaker 1: get really scared, scared as a kid you see, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and then as it happens many, many times you get
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  Speaker 1: frustrated because it would happen, like during weddings,
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  Speaker 1: the thing is, er, is it protects your family? Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So whenever something happens, that thing is activated to protect
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  Speaker 1: the family. So I remember I was hosting and I
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  Speaker 1: was with my, my, my, my the other. So we were,
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  Speaker 1: we were hosting this wedding and then someone said, oh yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: someone stole money from the bride's house. But don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it's a human who stole the money. Ok? So
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  Speaker 1: then my mom heard that my mother OK. Nothing, whatever happened.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was about to go back to the
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  Speaker 1: wedding diar with Z and then my mom just did this.
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  Speaker 1: So this is, this is like her, her signal that
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  Speaker 1: she's coming. She said she said it's coming. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I have got no time for this. I have to
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  Speaker 1: go host. So I went, I went, I went to
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  Speaker 1: host and then as I was hosting, I could see
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  Speaker 1: at the back of the wedding, my mom start to
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  Speaker 1: do see la la oh dear. She like in front
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  Speaker 1: of nobody and she just went like, who are you?
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  Speaker 1: Why did you come? I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: and I get very stressed because people are weird like
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  Speaker 1: people that will record everything, you know. And I have
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  Speaker 1: people recording and it's my mother. I, I do not
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  Speaker 1: want my mother's face to be online, whatever. And my
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  Speaker 1: mom is like, just not being herself. Of course, it
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  Speaker 1: was like, and she was like screaming at the car
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  Speaker 1: park and park. Why have you come? Like, when can
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  Speaker 1: I put that to? And I'm like I said, can
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  Speaker 1: we this gig up? I need to go back to
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  Speaker 1: my because it was my cousin's wedding. Yeah. So I need,
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  Speaker 1: I need to go back
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  Speaker 1: and then because she has gotten activated. Ok, so this
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  Speaker 1: is like her. So there were a couple of my
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  Speaker 1: cheeks in the event itself I think have that.
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  Speaker 1: So then you have like dwelling my cheeks. Oh my
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  Speaker 2: God. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: intense. So my mom is, and then you see why
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  Speaker 1: much doing this? I'm like, wow, wow, what is this?
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  Speaker 1: A two?
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  Speaker 2: There were two,
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  Speaker 1: two and then there was one more game like that
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  Speaker 1: just like whats happening, what's happening. But then her eyes
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  Speaker 1: are closed and I'm like, so it's like a
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  Speaker 1: no. In fact, you see when one thing is activated,
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  Speaker 1: the rest just comes on. I'm like not getting too
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  Speaker 1: much too much. So there was one point of time
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  Speaker 1: when my mom and then I had to, we had
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  Speaker 1: to carry my mom to the, to the bride's house
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  Speaker 1: and then
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  Speaker 1: it was just two hours after that of trying to
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  Speaker 1: get the thing out of the body, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: the thing with the thing with these things is that
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  Speaker 1: once you enter your body is like they mark your body, right?
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  Speaker 1: But it's very easy to come in and out, in
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  Speaker 1: and out. So my mom is very susceptible to it.
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  Speaker 1: Thankfully. Now my mom was ok. I remember that time
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  Speaker 1: we were living in a rented flat. It was at
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  Speaker 1: Circuit Road Road is like a lot of, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of old people. So there was once and my uncle
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  Speaker 1: came and uncle said he displays a lot of things.
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  Speaker 1: I think I told you guys this story. So there
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  Speaker 1: were two kids playing outside the corridor. So my mom
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  Speaker 1: was doing the laundry,
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  Speaker 1: auntie, auntie, auntie, auntie, auntie, and the uncle is thirsty.
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  Speaker 1: The uncle want to drink water. Ok? I heard a
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  Speaker 1: little ok. So my mom's like which uncle the uncle?
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  Speaker 1: He said the ST is, is very thirsty. And my
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  Speaker 1: mom said, what's the uncle wearing? The uncle got the
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  Speaker 1: cotton but inside the nose
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  Speaker 1: and it happened like 2 p.m. And my mom said,
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  Speaker 1: just tell your uncle that I got no water,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. So just things. And the best part
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  Speaker 1: is that my mom said, oh, I remember going to
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  Speaker 1: his funeral the day before. Yeah. And then like in that,
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  Speaker 1: in that house, I remember
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  Speaker 1: double with the fact that my mom is susceptible to
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  Speaker 1: these things. So she said like she just run out
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  Speaker 1: from the kitchen. And what happened? Do you not see
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  Speaker 1: the two kids running outside? I'm like the kids. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was saying that same house that she said close
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  Speaker 1: the door, the TGA outside.
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  Speaker 2: I have a question. Has she gotten rid of it?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't, I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she or one can really get rid
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  Speaker 1: of it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is tough. Can
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  Speaker 1: you? I think you can. I think you can but
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  Speaker 1: I think it takes a lot, a lot so on
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  Speaker 1: my mom's and, you know, she, she has gone through
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  Speaker 1: many sessions
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  Speaker 1: to sort of fortify her body so that this doesn't
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  Speaker 1: come in and the only thing that the stars will
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  Speaker 1: say is like, don't, don't stop, don't miss your prayers.
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  Speaker 1: You know, whenever you can just see and all that just, just, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and all that. Do you have suspicions of where, who,
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  Speaker 2: who passed it on to her?
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  Speaker 2: You say who? But
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious, I think from my grand mother. You know,
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  Speaker 1: because I've heard stories of my late grandmother when she
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  Speaker 1: was pregnant, like six months pregnant with a full belly.
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  Speaker 1: Just lie down on the floor, on the tummy, like
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  Speaker 1: a crocodile.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So you see when this thing is, has taken
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  Speaker 2: over you, you can do non human things. No, your
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  Speaker 2: touch can be magical, right? Maybe things and the reason
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  Speaker 2: why I ask is because if it doesn't, if let's say,
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  Speaker 2: let's say if it's still there,
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  Speaker 1: then
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  Speaker 1: he was the one who's the next one?
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  Speaker 2: Who's, that's the question? That's the question.
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  Speaker 1: So can we apply for this
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  Speaker 2: one? Say that the s is gin, right? Is it?
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  Speaker 2: I
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  Speaker 1: would say it's a gin. Yeah. Yeah, definitely, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Because we got one story from Indonesia that one of
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  Speaker 2: our readers,
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  Speaker 2: she submitted, she got it. She got the father passed
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  Speaker 2: to her. The father didn't die but the father passed
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  Speaker 2: to her. But it's a curse so she can maintain it.
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  Speaker 2: But if she don't maintain it, the money will drop
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  Speaker 2: the wealth. Yeah. Yeah. So, so can you consider it
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  Speaker 2: like a form of guardian spirit? There's neither good nor
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  Speaker 2: evil just
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  Speaker 1: there? Yeah. It's definitely because
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  Speaker 1: what happened is from what I gather, you know, my ancestors,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they travel, right? They travel, we travel, go
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  Speaker 1: to this place by ship. So, you know, in the
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  Speaker 1: past people are not really in tune with the religious side, right?
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  Speaker 1: So to them, it's like everything is ok, it's not
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  Speaker 1: as protection. So go to this one place, take this thing.
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  Speaker 1: So you end up having a lot of things, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you do not know because
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  Speaker 1: after 3040 years, you don't remember taking these things, everything
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  Speaker 1: is still latching on to you. So then it goes
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  Speaker 1: to the generations and generations. So I think that's where
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  Speaker 1: it all starts. Like, you know, you can't really play
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  Speaker 1: the blame game here because you didn't ask for it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and you are, you didn't say yes to it. Also,
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  Speaker 1: it just happens to be the worst
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  Speaker 2: case scenario. This thing cannot be removed because you have
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  Speaker 2: to find the person who first put it in
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  Speaker 2: which probably has died has passed away. This one reminds
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  Speaker 2: me of the case because um, I've heard stories from
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  Speaker 2: my parents that the chase, once you, you know, stab
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  Speaker 2: somebody and the person dies, the chase holds a spirit
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  Speaker 2: or a
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  Speaker 2: bound to it, the more lives that the care has taken,
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  Speaker 2: the more stronger the Feng Shui of the is oh
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  Speaker 2: my God, there's something bound to it. So a real
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  Speaker 2: care that has stabbed somebody cannot be played around because
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  Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you, when you touch a knife, usually
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  Speaker 2: we have this, my parents usually say that when you
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  Speaker 2: see a knife, you don't touch the blade just to
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  Speaker 2: see how sharp it is because it will done
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  Speaker 2: cut you, right? The blade has its own life life
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  Speaker 2: to cut you because you're testing me. So imagine a
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  Speaker 2: craze that has that many people don't play around with it.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why these days weddings, they don't use the
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  Speaker 2: real grace for the right, the right. That's the word
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  Speaker 2: they use the fake ones, but the real crazy they
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  Speaker 2: keep it somewhere. So those people who keep real grace long,
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  Speaker 2: long time ago by our
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  Speaker 2: you know, and all that, they really want to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that it's saved from anybody here because if anyone
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  Speaker 2: ever open up once to store things will happen to
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  Speaker 2: you because you may not be strong enough to hold
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  Speaker 2: the grace. You know what I mean? Is there? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just asking to both of you. Is there, Chris
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  Speaker 2: that has killed someone or stabbed someone drawn blood? Essentially,
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  Speaker 2: they're
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  Speaker 1: still around, I think I would imagine. Yeah. Yeah. Family heirloom. Right. Probably. Yeah, probably.
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  Speaker 1: And I know I know of a few uh part
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: cheeks who have a collection. Um Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um I,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not close to him but I know of this
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: gentleman in Singapore who is a Chris. I mean,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: you guys can look it up. He's a Chris enthusiast.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: So he knows a lot about Chris, you know, like
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: the different, what does the different blade means, the shape,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: you know, the history behind this, this disgrace and yeah,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: this
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: not cheap. I would imagine that it's actually very expensive
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: because it has lasted through generations. Antiques
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: already. Antiques and to add on. Right. This grace also
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: has to be maintained. Correct. Correct. If they are, they
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: have been used for many, many times step someone to
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: kill someone. It has to be well maintained or ask
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: that grace is not gonna leave at peace.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: You back, you owner. So sometimes like they will do that,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: they would smoke it because jeans fit on.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Right. They would pass up the and all.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: OK. Even though if it's not news. Have you seen
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: like electro Chris? I
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: do, I have, I have, I have,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I use as you seen a Chris that was used before? Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But, but this is just looking because I
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: remember doing an, I remember doing something with Malay Heritage
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Center and then they were just interviewing this, this gentleman
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: and he brought like maybe four or five of the,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: of the care and he was showing us the different
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: types of Chris and I looked at them like, interesting,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: very intricate and like some of it is like made
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: with real goal. So it's really like quite solid. So,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: is it like a taboo? Do not touch a Chris
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: for safety reasons? Yes. But taboo, I would imagine, you know. Yeah. Don't,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: wouldn't like, I wouldn't, I mean, I personally wouldn't and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I would encourage you to not
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: just indiscriminately just touch things that you don't know. You know.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: So for Carl and win, what's your personality on Black Magic?
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I want to hear calls with. Well, why? Because I'm half,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: that's a quick assumption, you know. No, I'm
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: kidding. But I black magic is a, that's like I
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: heard of this thing where
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and please correct me if I'm wrong, you know, like,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about black magic, we always
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: use it to just disturb or just to scare, you know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: tie black magic is like they do it to you.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: It's meant for you to die because it's like it's
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: not like play, play anymore. But I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: think because the Ties, they are mostly Buddhist and it
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: is a comic cycle. So they believe that if you
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: use black magic, it takes a part of your soul.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: So you go straight to hell. So you don't go
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: to heaven because you're actually committing a sin. It is
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: an ultimate sin. OK. Yeah, you may get what you
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: want but you're not going to heaven. Yeah. So, so,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: so it's very dark, simple things that I love potion
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that those are quite common. I'm thinking like that because
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: summoning a spirit or demon, I think that one is
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: next level and there's not many people that can do
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: it that ties into my answer. So because like, I,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I don't hear so much thankfully, I don't hear so
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: much about black magic and cursors like, and I suppose
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: it ties into what you were saying where not that
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: many people are
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: at that level where they can do it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe that's why it's not so common
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: but like, yeah, the Chris thing was I had no
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: idea about that literally until today. I mean, and the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: episode itself, but that's about it. So,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: yeah, I i
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: it's an extreme, it's an extreme and I think that's
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: what makes it scary. I feel like it's an extreme thing. Like,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, not to victim shame, but you must have
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: done something really nasty to the, to the person who
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: was doing a curse on to you. Like, like that curse.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I was talking about killing someone. There is extreme. Correct. Yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: That's why I feel like it's very rare. But, yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: not saying don't have. But it's like, I mean, you
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: and I have discussed this discussion before of, you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: what scary people or spirits
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: and the fact that the curse originates from a person. Yeah, definitely.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: So that shows like that malicious intent to it. It's
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: like it's not like you accidentally offended a spirit or
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: something like that. It's somebody
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: set aside like resources and time and all this just
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: to get at you. So stuff like that. Like even
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: though I don't hear as much about it, it still
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: what little I hear about it scares scares me just
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: because of that maliciousness,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: evil people can be like. Yeah. Yeah. True. Yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Has it, has any black magic happened to any of you?
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: What
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I like how both of you all went. No,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: no, no, not to my immediate family members. My extended family,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I have heard of black magic happened. Um I mean,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: it's essentially black magic because so what happened was there
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: was a murder that happened. So, so my grand mother
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: is from me then, right? Indonesia and one of my distant,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: one of my distant relatives, he was a young man
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and he was going back home
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and he was murdered and he was stabbed to death.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I just, I don't know. And he was a doctor
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: in training, he was training to be a doctor. His
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: whole family is doctors. You know, mother and father's doctor.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: So they, they, I mean, naturally he won, they wanted
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the offspring to take on the same professional undertaking. So
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: he was being murdered and he was left to die
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: at the roadside or bushes whatsoever whatsoever.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: So then the family cannot reconcile with that, right? They
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: really wants to know who did it because a charge
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: can only be taken if they know who's the one
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: who did it, you know, and the police are sorry
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to say, but like the police in other countries are
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: like quite plus minus, right? That's a good way of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: putting it very plus minus. So they had to call
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: upon the spirit. So here's the part where I'm like,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I be like, even though it's family, like why would
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you do that? You know, they call on the spirit
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: of the dead
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: more to inhabit. So then, so then the person who's
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: there just said, oh yeah, I was walking and then
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I was being stabbed by this person. So I was
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: saying names and all that. But then then it it
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: it dawned upon me like,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: should we believe it wholeheartedly? Because you know, then that
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: spirit can just be saying like different names just to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: mark someone else who is innocent you
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: because we know that these things lie in DC, right?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: It's been written in text and religious text and all that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Their job is to, you know, a or like for
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a direct transition is that they are meant to stray you,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you away from the truth, right? From the child of Adam. Right.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: So that's, that's their motive, you know. So, so then
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you really have to take it with a pinch of
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: salt like you know, but they did that ritual where
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: they call upon
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the dead person to inhabit the body to tell everyone
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: what's happening. And the police is there
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: is interesting
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: but I take testimony from
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: taking notes
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like what then but then like like the time Indonesians
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: are very spiritual. So for them, for them, it's probably
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: more real and more true as compared to us, you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: for us, we like cannot, cannot, it doesn't work with
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: PF right?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: For them is like maybe you could because it's a
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: village and all that. So perceptions and mindsets are very different. Yeah,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: this happened like maybe 3040 years ago. They, they did,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: they did, I mean based on the based on the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: spirit of OK, I that's where I know the story
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: until that I didn't know what happened next. But what happened?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: It was the one who told me was, was my mother.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Interesting because I, I read about stories in the Chinese culture,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I think more of ancient China. If let's say someone
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: gets murdered and they can also solve the murder, right?
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: They won't call the spirits to do, to ask what
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: they will do is that if they will turn the
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: disease into a eventual spirit by addressing he or her
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: in red, in the nails,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: everything. So the disease will come back as a spirit
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: and go and basically find the one cause the death.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: More of a direct approach. You go and settle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: because they have no way to solve the crime. But
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: people commit suicide in oh yeah, that one is like
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: they want to be the one they want to come back.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: But same thing is a coming cycle. They go to hell.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The ultimate scene you kill yourself is the ultimate scene. So, so,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: so yeah, the comic cycle. So in the episode, right?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So the most of the episodes, you know, there's the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: psychologist Dr Me very popular person. So he appears and
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: says that he gives natural sorry, he gives the rational
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: explanations on it. And he says that for example,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the mind starts to look for bad things to happen
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: when let's say in rituals such as the crease are
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: not followed. So what do you think of the assessment
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: of the rational assessment from him
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: as a kid watching Incredible Tales? Whenever his segment came on,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I was very frustrated.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Same, same
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: doctor Mel, he loves my videos by the way he
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: has commented one of my videos. You're so funny. I
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: said so thank you so much, Doctor Mel. I thank
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you for being such a fan. I like your work also. No,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: but no. As a kid watching him on, I'm like,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I don't need to rationalize anything. You know, this guy
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: is just trying to, you know, spoil the whole experience
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: because we all love the experience of, you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: but as I grew up, I appreciated his, his diagnosis
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and whatever he has to say because sometimes because the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: mind is a very powerful thing, sometimes
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: when things happen and, and, and, and like I said,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and I think I've shared this with, with both of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: them when at the height of my mom being, you know,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: talking to herself and all that, you know, I have
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: not ruled out the possibility of is my mom's schizophrenic. Is,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: you know, is she hearing voices? Is it really voices
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: from the spirit or is it because of
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: trauma and all that? Right? Because she has gone through
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: my grandmother's death and then she went through a divorce
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and then having to take care of four kids and
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: all that. So all this trauma maybe has manifested itself
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: into something more sinister in terms of mental health, right?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: So I've never really
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: say to anyone or like say to myself, oh, my
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: mom is just downright possess. No, I've always tried to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: rationalize it with science like maybe it's just a way
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: of coping with things. But of course, like I said,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: there is also a point of time whereby
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: there's really no explanation of explanation. Then you just left
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: with that smoky gray area where it's just,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: then you just take it at face value, you just
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: take it as it is like, you know, I would
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: never want to dictate your life
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: just being spiritual. You know, I mean, it's important to
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: be spiritual and be religious and be in touch with
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: your religious side. But also understand that your body needs medicine,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: your body needs, you know, like you need, you need
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to at least do something about it. Mel
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Gill will be so proud of you.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Comment on this on the show, man.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I think it was, it was last year one of
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the videos I was dressed up as a much and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: it was like, you're so funny. I'm such a fan.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's very familiar.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Right. So this question is for everyone, if you could
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: curse someone in a completely harmless way, what would you do?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Would you curse them to lose one? So or curse
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: them to have something stuck in their teeth
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to lose one word. So,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: or any kind of harmless curse or anything
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: harmless curse. There's no such thing as a harmless curse,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: of course, is going to give you some form of,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: agree. He's not harmless. Like the harm is lesser
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: playful, I guess. It's still the act of cursing someone
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: is just like, OK, because I'm pretty sure you wrote
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: it. So I want to ask you first. It will
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: be something stupid. Like absolutely something stupid. So like, like
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I said, you know, something stuck in your teeth when
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: you're going out on a date that just ruins your date.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Something I like how all you're looking at me now like,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: oh you're so weak. So you with your, it's a
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: harmless
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: standards.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: The incredible skill standard in skill. This is a, this
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: is a negative fight.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe if you ask me this as a kid is
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: like more my teachers to give me good grades are, oh,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: that's good. It's like a blessing to you.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: And now I, I'm quite, I wouldn't wish anything for
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: anyone
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: but, I mean, just for the sake of fun. Right.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: It's like
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: every time he take out one change to put, like,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: you know, if you will take out your spare change,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: like then the next time he put on the same pan,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the machine is still there. So you get very annoyed.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Like I thought I put the change in it and
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: can take again and put the change that
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: a good problem.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: You just happen to have more money. So it's like a,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: it's like a unlimited money because, but then at a
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: very annoying pace, like, five cents, I got five cents again.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes. Would you do? No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: because I believe in karma, whatever we do to others,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: we go back to us. If you do bad things,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you go back, bad things will happen. So, yeah, if
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: we see good things about other things happen to us
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: as well,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes frustrating, sometimes frustrating, not be able to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: be like
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: sometimes just like. But yeah. Yeah. All right. Well,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: what is, what a journey? But we're gonna start wrapping
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: things up and in every episode we wrap things up,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: we wrap it up with something we like to call
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: our morbid fact of the day. Ok. Yes.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Where Kyle will deliver? Always one weird, maybe dark, maybe
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: gross fact of the day. Nice. K what do we
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: have for today? So fair. So this episode too. So
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: this one actually a bit far. But ok, so an
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: archaeological team opened the tomb of an Egyptian peril to
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: their sponsors basically died. What their sponsor part of the
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: t basically died from a bacterial infection. Even though they
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: had no evidence. The newspaper claimed that it was a
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: curse from the pharaoh because because the Egyptians, they also
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: believe in the whole life after death kind of thing.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: They had like the newbies and, and all right. So
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: some of them, they actually put a curse,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: whoever passes this tomb or disturb this tomb will get
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: cursed by the spirits or because the king, the pa
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: so basically the person died, which I know is based
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: is for history lessons in schools. But guys, please don't
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: disturb the people. Yeah, it might happen. I feel like
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: that shouldn't have to be said out loud. But apparently
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I guess we do, you know, don't
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: disturb grave. I mean, beyond, beyond the fact that it's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: disrespectful and
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you might awaken some spiritual things. But like, like what
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: he said, like if a body is decomposed, you know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: when you expose it, like bacteria, you know, you will
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: or maybe maybe maybe the pharaoh, like they found like
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: a form of virus or bacteria that they just put
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: whoever open. I hope they breathe in this air and
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: then they can
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: probably, or maybe the pharaoh was sick before he was,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you know, being buried and then when you open it up,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you just,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: yeah,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: that's rationale
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: learning from the doctor. Like,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: like I think the mind is a very powerful tool.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. So thank you so much for joining us today.
• 33:16
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• 33:16
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• 33:18
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