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Press Car Showdown! · That Car Show

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  We didn't know that we were going to be writing a love
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  letter to Subaru, but here we are.
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  Today on that car show, it's me, it's Lindsay, and it's our press
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  car showdown. We've driven so many cars
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  recently. We talk about them all.
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  We pick a few winners and maybe even a loser or two.
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  Stay tuned. This is a good one.
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  It's that car show. Welcome back to that car show.
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  I'm Lindsay and this week Ryan and I are hanging out and we
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  have a crew show with a little bit of a different spin because
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  between the two of us, we have driven an absolutely ridiculous
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  number of cars over the last few months.
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  Between press loans, which are a week long loan of the car to us
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  and then automotive media events where at least for both of us,
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  we've driven groups of cars, many cars over one day or two
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  days. So we have a lot to talk about
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  and we thought we'd do something a little different.
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  We're going to put our press cars up against each other and
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  then at the end we'll crown, let's see, 10 winners.
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  We may add some categories as we go along, completely arbitrary,
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  but of course extremely important categories.
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  So yeah. Funny funny thing, Lindsay, when
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  these companies give you cars to drive, they they expect you to
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  create content, right And so. Right.
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  They would like a little coverage or discussion.
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  A. Few boxes and and much like you,
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  there are there are cars that surprise me one way or the
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  other, right? Right.
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  And I think that's the most fun. Shockers.
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  Right, like who's you know at least or not The not the least
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  surprise will be us probably. But yeah, I think that's what
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  keeps it interesting too, is when you're getting into like a
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  new press car, either knowing you're going to spend the week
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  with it or you have 30 minutes, or you have however many, you
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  know, 20 minutes, whatever. A lot of times you think you
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  know how you're going to feel about it or you have a
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  preconceived notion. And I think what I have started
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  really paying attention to, especially when it's an event
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  where you're driving, you know, 8/10/15 cars in one day is what
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  stands out. Or like, what is the car where
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  you find yourself going like, oh, I have to get out of this
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  one and go drive 6 more, but I really just want to keep driving
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  this one. Or oh, 30 minutes was too long
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  with that one and I really thought I was going to fall in
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  love with it. So I think that's what keeps it
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  interesting. And it's one thing I have found
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  too. And I don't know if you find
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  yourself doing this and it's purely by chance, but whatever
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  you have turned in you, you sort of naturally find yourself
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  comparing to the next one. Yes, yes, yes, it's.
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  You know, and sometimes they're very different from each other.
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  So it's like it's not a comparison, but it colors or it
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  informs, shall I say, how you feel about whatever comes next.
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  Yeah, it's kind of like dating. There are flings here, right?
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  There are, I think that's the classy way of putting it, right?
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  Exactly. There are long term
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  relationships and there are longer term relationships.
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  And you know, some cars, I think you, you know, to your point,
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  some cars that drive exactly like you think they're going to
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  drive, right, right. And others that drive nothing
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  like you think they're going to drive and like.
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  Good and bad where you're like, I did not imagine falling in
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  love with this. I mean, again, much like dating.
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  Like no, no. And much like dating, money
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  factors into it. And the expensive cars are
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  oftentimes not the ones you want to marry, right?
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  So, right, I don't want to turn this into a big game of, you
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  know, kill, Yeah, but it's kind of like, maybe that's what we
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  should do with these. But I know I'm like we have just
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  spontaneously changed our. Let's stick to the original,
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  original plan, but. Save that, we can consider that
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  for maybe a future episode if we want to go there.
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  That's that'll be the after hours episode.
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  We're all drunk. But but yeah, it's, it's
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  interesting because you know, you mentioned, you know, some of
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  these we, we had, you know, press cars are usually given to
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  us for a week. Right.
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  Standard press loan is a week long, yeah.
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  Yeah, and you're given roughly 500 miles unofficially and you
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  know, sometimes then we'll, you know, I've been known for taking
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  them, you know, couple 1000 miles, right, holidays, that
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  kind of thing. Yeah, you have been lucky to
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  like do some real Rd. tripping in them, which is pretty
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  special. Those are the ones at the end of
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  their press fleet lives right where they like.
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  They don't care anymore. Like you know what?
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  Sure. You mentioned you know these
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  press, these group drives that we do.
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  I'm a part of the Rocky Mountain Automotive press great group.
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  Give them a shout out. You are a member of.
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  I can never. Remember Question.
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  Automotive Press Association, otherwise known as NAWAPA.
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  Nawapa. Yes, which they do fantastic.
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  I know, right. Please, if you have NAWAPA for
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  more than four hours, please consult a medical professional.
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  That's it. Now that we've gotten the
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  disclaimer out of the way and we've kept legal happy.
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  Yeah, yeah. So they do events, I mean, and I
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  think it's similar ish. And we've had some like cross
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  pollination with some of the manufacturer reps where they've
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  run into you and then the next week they're with me and that's
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  always fun. But.
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  You'll you'll find that people often times glom on like the
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  journalists, like everyone sort of by the end of the day is
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  trying to drive that one car or those two cars again.
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  And the others sit sort of forlorn, forlornly I think is
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  the word, you know, off of the corner somewhere.
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  But but yeah, that's just a little explanation of what these
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  are. It's a chance to to have short
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  stints or flings with lots of different cars.
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  What is it Speed dating? That's speed dating some.
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  Speed dating. Yeah.
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  Well, and it's been interesting because I did, you know, we've
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  talked about, I went to the NAWAPA event in the spring,
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  which is called Mudfest because it is often quite muddy.
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  And that one is a different format than the event that they
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  just had. Their fall event is called Drive
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  Revolution, and that one was created to showcase electric
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  vehicles, but they have both internal combustion and electric
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  and hybrids and all manner of events.
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  But the format is very different because Mudfest, it's like first
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  come, first serve in a friendly way because you just go, the
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  cars are lined up and you just go and everybody grabs what they
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  need. And you, it's on you to make
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  sure that you have driven every vehicle.
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  Because that's one of the, you know, tenets of the event is the
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  manufacturers are going to the trouble to bring them.
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  And the journalists are expected to experience all of them, which
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  is. And you probably vote, right.
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  And because we're voting too. Yeah.
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  So it needs to be an informed vote, obviously.
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  But for Drive Revolution, you get a 30 minute stint with each
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  car and you have a schedule. And so, you know, exactly like,
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  OK, I'm in this, next, I'm in this.
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  So it's a different set up, you know, and obviously you could
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  get more time, you could go back to a car.
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  At the end of the day, they're willing to make that happen.
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  But yeah, it's very different than getting to live with a car
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  for the week. Also, let's just stop for a
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  moment and think back to our 12 year old selves and if our 12
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  year old selves knew that someday car companies would be
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  dropping cars off at your home and then inviting you to events
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  where you know you can just do whatever you want.
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  You know, your little heart desires with their their fleet.
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  It's pretty cool. So we're very fortunate and and
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  you know, it's a responsibility. I I think we don't take lightly.
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  We want to keep these cars coming.
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  That said too, I think we have some some real authentic insight
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  into these cars right that. Yeah.
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  Again, maybe some surprises so. Yeah, it's been funny.
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  Like I've been lucky to get some press loans in Southern
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  California when I'm with my family.
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  And so it's been funny. At some point, I think, you
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  know, the third or fourth car had been dropped off or picked
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  up or whatever, and people were kind of taking me aside and
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  going like, all right, what is, how are you doing this?
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  Why are they just giving you these cars?
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  Yeah, it's, it's it's it's a hack.
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  I guess right, but that. Said, you know, we do create
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  content with this stuff and, and, but we've had so many
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  lately, we just figured it's time to actually do a show
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  dedicated to these things. Solely pressed cars, I know and
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  like you said, I mean, this is something that's I think we've
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  all been working towards. And so it's you have these
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  moments of like, wait, we're there.
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  We did it. Yeah.
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  Yeah. You know, and like I was really
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  lucky to drive a press car to and from Drive Revolution, which
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  was in Portland. So I got to spend, you know,
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  about 8 hours in it there and back.
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  And like, like you've done, you know, this was more of a mini
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  road trip to, compared to what you do, but really got some good
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  time in it. And that was one of the cars
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  where I went. You know, I had the opportunity
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  to switch cars at the event and drive back in a different one,
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  and I said, you know what, I really love the one that I had,
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  so I'm gonna drive that one back and then I'll get the other one
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  the next. Day, yeah, absolutely.
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  And in Full disclosure, you know, these cars are dropped off
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  with a full tank. We return them generally with a
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  full tank, right? Or with an EV you know.
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  Try to be good citizens. Try.
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  To be good citizens, keep them clean.
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  You know, first start getting these cars.
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  I would like wash them, you know, before I return them.
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  Oh yeah. I would take it and vacuum it
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  out, yeah. They're vacuumed out.
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  I will say, I will say that. But any case, we're very lucky
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  and really, you know, between the two of us, we've driven a
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  pretty wide spectrum of stuff, you know, from pretty workaday
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  stuff, you know, budget minded stuff to some some damn near
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  exotic stuff. So.
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  So where do we start? We get into it.
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  I know, I know. Well and I know we talked about,
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  you know, several of the ones that we've had over the summer
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  in the last few months when we had Lynn Woodward join us over
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  the summer. So this is we're kind of picking
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  up where we left off with Lynn because the cars have kept
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  coming, which we're thrilled about.
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  Yeah. I mean we've had so the press
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  cars that I've had, so the week long loans, I had the Genesis
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  G80, the Lucid Air, the Ionic 5 from Hyundai.
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  I had the Mazda CX5 that was the one that I Rd. tripped to
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  Portland. I had the Honda Tucson pH EV or
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  P Hib. I'm not sure how they're doing
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  that. The Mazda 3 hatchback, Mazda
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  CX90 which is the three row SUV and then the Acura Integra and
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  then Ryan. Which ones have you had for your
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  week long? Yeah, so I've had a chance to
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  drive most of those, some of them just at press events, week
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  long stuff recently. The Subaru Trail Seeker, this is
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  their EV that's kind of like an electric Forrester or Outback
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  for a but we'll get into that. I have a lot of.
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  Thoughts on the trail Seeker 1? Is that one a three row?
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  I don't think so, no, no. And I, I should probably have
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  the the Subaru, which probably bring up the web page because
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  there are so many models and there's so much crossover, no
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  pun intended. And and so there's also a larger
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  car, but but yeah, interesting thing the the BRZTS manual.
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  So the TS is the track prepped BRZ.
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  This one was manual if they're all manual in TS form or not.
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  But it's got the big Brembo brakes and some other toys.
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  I really enjoyed that. I've got the Outback wilderness
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  currently. Fantastic.
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  Let me correct. I had the forester because I'm
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  I'm struggling picking them out in a in a line up.
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  Well, we both had the Forester Wilderness.
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  Early we had that earlier as well that's that that's right
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  that's right had the genesis G90 prestige black the last time I
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  was in LA had the Toyota 4 runner trail hunter and I've got
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  some some strong opinions both ways on that had that for a long
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  term and we. Both had that, actually.
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  Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's.
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  Right. That's, that's compare notes on
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  that. Yeah.
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  I was also of course on the Colorado Grand about a week ago
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  and managed the AMG fleet that Mercedes-Benz.
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  Fantastic, the. Sponsor brings so that had.
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  Quality time with them. Everything from the lowest end
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  of AMG, the CLA45 AMG up through the SL 63 E performance.
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  This is the hybrid that's got close to 1100 LB feet of torque
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  and I think 800 and some odd horsepower.
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  So any case that that's our baseline, that's kind of what
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  we're working with here. What's our first category?
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  OK, so first category, well, let's do let's see.
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  OK, so first category is best internal combustion vehicle.
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  So the BRZTS, the GR Corolla, yeah, the Mazda MX5 Miata, the
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  Acura Integra, which is a manual as well.
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  Super fun. Oh man, that's.
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  A good yeah. And the Genesis G80, the Genesis
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  G90, the 4 Runner Trail Hunter, the Ram TRX and the Dodge
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  Charger. So those are those are the
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  contenders for the best internal combustion vehicle, exclusively
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  internal combustion. Yes, yes.
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  So yeah, what are your thoughts? I really love that Integra.
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  That's the one I would I would bring home.
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  That's the one I would marry. It's got one of the best manual
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  transmissions in the world. It is a car like it.
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  We forget how good cars are. We're so used to like, you know,
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  being these jacked up SUV's and crossovers.
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  A good car. There's nothing better than just
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  a good car with a good manual transmission.
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  A sport sedan, if you will. A term you don't see or don't
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  hear that that often anymore, right?
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  That's a that's a car I've priced out like that's a car I I
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  would buy if I had to have one car that would do it all.
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  I think it would be that one. I think a very close second is
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  that GR Corolla for many of the same reasons.
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  The Acura is just much more refined.
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  It's a much more refined experience.
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  The GR Corolla, I think would be almost more of a weekend car,
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  right? For sure.
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  But those are the two in that list that that really stood out
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  for me. What about?
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  You. So first place for you would be
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  the Acura Integra and then second place would be the.
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  I think so. Are you looking for a third
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  place as well? No, I mean we can.
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  Do you have a? 3rd 2 that.
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  You wanted to. What are my options again?
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  Let me look. Let me.
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  Look PRZ yeah, GR Corolla, the MX5 Miata, Integra, G80G90,
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  Trail Hunter, the 4 Runner Trail Hunter, TRX and the Charger.
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  So I have thoughts on on all those cars we can get detail.
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  But if I had to pick a third place, give me that Genesis G90
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  that I had out in LA. That is, it's like an S class.
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  It's like a, you know, a budget Bentley.
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  It's just a great thing to to just bounce around LA and it's
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  big. It's quiet, it softly sprung, it
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  has a kicking audio system. You know, it's it's like kind of
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  all the all the good things about something like an S class,
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  but without any of the hang ups of the badge, right.
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  I think most people still don't know what a Genesis is.
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  No, it's very. Still.
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  So it's kind of like you want to fly under the radar.
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  Yeah, yeah. So yeah, That that that's a car
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  that I secretly enjoy. Well, not so secretly enjoy.
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  I've gone on about how. Much publicly and lovely.
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  Yeah, yeah. But I mean, that's just a car I
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  would probably never buy because it's just but you know, maybe in
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  my retirement years. That said, I don't know if I was
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  like a Hollywood agent, like her own Michael Lasas, that would
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  sort of be the that would be kind of the the low key card of
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  that. Would be the move.
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  That would be the move, right? You know, you make no apologies
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  for it. You know, it's it's it's a
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  pretty cool thing. But yeah, those are probably the
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  three that stick out as most memorable to me.
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  What? What about you?
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  Yeah, I realize looking at the list I am going to need a first,
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  second and third option. And one thing you know, looking
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  at the G80 and the G90 reminded me that when the G80 was being
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  dropped off, I had it over the summer and I had it and they I
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  was trying to find the color because it was like it was the
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  best combination. I had it and it was a light Gray
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  Vatina Gray with Sevilla red interior.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And holy cow, that is not the
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  ultimate color combination because it's again, it's very
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  stealth. It looks lovely and elegant on
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  the outside. And then you open the door and
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  see that red interior and I just every time I open the door, I
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  smiled and you just feel like you are in a very special space.
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  So just from the start, yes before you even start driving
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  it, you're like, this is this is pretty special.
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  And I think it's worth noting that when the the person from
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  the fleet company was dropping it off, he said, you know, and
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  they get to drive anything and everything all the time, all day
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  long. That is their job to drive cars.
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  So he said of all the cars that we get to drive, Genesis is
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  killing it. He's like, anytime I find out
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  that I'm going to be moving a Genesis, I am excited and the
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  they are so impressive. They're doing such good work
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  like and I think you like to your point, they're not really
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  getting the attention yet. I think people are starting to
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  catch on, but it's such a special product and you know.
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  I will say. They look great.
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  Yeah, I have not spent any time in the G80, but the G90 I've
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  I've had the pleasure of having for extended periods a few Times
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  Now and I would argue that's probably a better car to be
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  driven in than to drive. I thought I was picturing this.
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  Like powertrain's not the most exciting thing.
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  It's forwarded horsepower, but it's, you know, it's, it's not
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  where you buy that car, right? Yeah, that's a car.
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  You're in that, that, that back passenger seat, right?
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  You know, you got your feet up, your kickback, you got a massage
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  going. You've got the, you know, the
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  ventilation going. You know, you're, you're, you're
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  inhaling the the perfume, the fragrance.
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  That the cars. Chugging out, I mean that is
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  that is it's just that it's it's so different right from most
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  cars in, you know, in 2026, right short of like an S class
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  or. Yeah, you know, it's a, it's a
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  statement automobile. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. You know which there are not a
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  ton of like that. No, no.
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  But there's a mystery around it because no one's quite sure what
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  it is. And you're not dealing with any
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  of the hang ups, the badge hang ups, right?
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  The prejudices of, of something like a, like a Bentley or
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  something. But it is so close to that
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  experience in so many ways. And you know, it's it's a third
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  of the price or half the price, so.
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  Fantastic option. OK, so my so first, second and
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  third place this is it's tough. OK so 1st place I have to go
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  with the Ram T Rex. OK.
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  And I'll admit I've not driven that.
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  And so I want to get it exactly right.
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  So I drove the Ram 1500 TRXSRT. OK, I've not spent any time in
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  that so. So I had ridden in one like one
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  or two generations prior to this and experienced the acceleration
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  and the turbo wine and the whole thing, which is just
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  intoxicating. Yeah.
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  So I was very, very excited to get to drive this one.
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  And you know, it's got this amazing.
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  What's the paint called? Serrano Green Metallic paint is
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  just, it's this like army green metallic.
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  Fantastic. I know the one that's great on
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  the truck, you know, and then you get.
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  Scott, are you listening? I know Scott and Scott.
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  Your boy needs a week. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 19:11
  In this. In green.
• 19:13
  Probably the green 1, so you know, and you get in and the
• 19:16
  interior is it's very intuitive. There's a lot of analogue like
• 19:21
  just buttons that do what you know they're going to do.
• 19:24
  And even the screen and the interface was very intuitive.
• 19:28
  And then then you start driving it and the turbo wine, I was
• 19:33
  just like, yes, like I need this in Turbo.
• 19:36
  Or supercharged. Supercharged, sorry.
• 19:38
  Supercharged. OK.
• 19:39
  Supercharger. Yes, I mean it.
• 19:42
  Just like the only problem is that I would.
• 19:45
  It sounds so fantastic I would probably be flooring it
• 19:49
  everywhere. Which?
• 19:49
  Yeah. Do you drive like an asshole?
• 19:51
  Is that the problem? No, like I'm very careful to be
• 19:55
  like moderated, but like, you know, when there's an
• 19:58
  opportunity, you step on it so that you can.
• 20:01
  Enjoy, right? I bet or you create your own
• 20:03
  opportunity. Who's to say?
• 20:05
  But you know, and I'm used to driving a full size pickup
• 20:08
  truck. And so I was, I was like, this
• 20:12
  is kind of the best of both worlds because it's the truck,
• 20:16
  you know, set up that I'm very familiar with and very
• 20:18
  comfortable in. Like I drove this truck during
• 20:23
  the Drive Revolution event. So it was part of a day where I
• 20:25
  was driving a bunch of different cars and I got in, I went, OK,
• 20:31
  you know, like this is something I'm very comfortable in and used
• 20:34
  to. And it was the only full size
• 20:36
  truck. It was the only truck there.
• 20:39
  And then you add in the supercharger and the interior is
• 20:43
  lovely. And I was like, I just want to
• 20:45
  keep driving this. So that that's something that if
• 20:49
  it's in a day of a bunch of different cars or something
• 20:52
  grabs you like that, you go, OK, that's like pay attention to
• 20:55
  that. And I think, I think if you
• 20:58
  needed one car and now the one that I drove was specked at
• 21:02
  $108,000 or that was the price on the sticker.
• 21:06
  So it's not a cheap, it's a lot. Of money.
• 21:09
  Lindsay, Josh. It's a lot of money, but and
• 21:12
  Scott Brown and I were talking about this at the event.
• 21:15
  Yeah, it's one vehicle that does everything because you have the.
• 21:20
  Performance, it's a lot of vehicle.
• 21:22
  It's a ton of vehicle. You can take 5 people
• 21:26
  comfortable. You could take five adults
• 21:27
  because of the way they've designed the cab.
• 21:29
  There's so much leg room even in the back seat.
• 21:31
  All of this, you have the utility of a pickup truck, which
• 21:35
  I have said before with even with my truck, like it was
• 21:38
  purpose built or you know, bought to do one thing.
• 21:41
  And I keep discovering even now how useful it is.
• 21:45
  And you know, and then you have like the supercharger and it's
• 21:48
  super fun. And so you have all of that in
• 21:50
  one car. So that's my first choice.
• 21:54
  Secret confession. I had never driven a pickup
• 21:58
  truck until I drove a Ram and this was a few years ago on a
• 22:03
  press event. This was not the TRX I was so
• 22:07
  impressed with. Yes, the thing just as a
• 22:10
  vehicle. I wouldn't want one if I lived
• 22:12
  in Manhattan or downtown Chicago.
• 22:14
  Or something. Like that, it's not the vehicle
• 22:16
  for those, you know, an urban. There are plurios that are not
• 22:20
  as suited to. It yeah, no, but for but I get
• 22:24
  it now. It had one of the best rides
• 22:26
  I've ever experienced. Plenty of room.
• 22:29
  It was just so damn usable, right.
• 22:32
  And you had this like, you know, it just was a great vehicle.
• 22:35
  It's such a well engineered thing.
• 22:38
  It doesn't really suit my personality and I'm not used to
• 22:40
  driving a full size truck every day.
• 22:42
  I, I just, even though I'm a big oaf, I like smaller cars, you
• 22:47
  know, and that is a big oaf of a truck we're all about.
• 22:50
  Contract here. I think Ram is making the best
• 22:53
  trucks and I bet that is the best of the breed.
• 22:56
  I just need to spend a week in one.
• 22:58
  Yeah. Stalantis.
• 23:00
  Hello. Yeah.
• 23:02
  So. So that's my first choice.
• 23:05
  Yeah. I agree with everything you
• 23:06
  said. And obviously, I mean, there
• 23:07
  are, you know, like when I would drive my truck in downtown
• 23:10
  Seattle, there were times where I was like, this truck is too
• 23:12
  big for like this parking garage or whatever.
• 23:14
  So you have to be aware. But, you know, if you're you
• 23:17
  learn, Yeah, you learn really fast.
• 23:20
  There was one that I pulled into years ago, pulled into it and
• 23:24
  went to go around, you know, the end of one of the rows.
• 23:26
  And I was like, I don't actually know if I can get out of here.
• 23:29
  This is going to take some doing.
• 23:31
  It was, it was like, you know. Inevitably, there are three
• 23:34
  people behind you and you know. Pedestrian, but I made it out.
• 23:37
  Yeah, yeah. Everybody was unscathed, but it
• 23:39
  was a good lesson of like, maybe check more, at least you're.
• 23:42
  Probably not going to curb a wheel.
• 23:44
  No, no, there is that. OK, so my second choice on this
• 23:50
  list #2 is the Acura Integra. Again, I think I'm gravitating
• 23:56
  towards sort of these multi purpose vehicles.
• 24:01
  And I really love that this one is a fantastic option for
• 24:05
  somebody that's an enthusiast and either has children or is in
• 24:10
  a job where they might be picking up clients or burying,
• 24:13
  you know, Co workers or whatever.
• 24:15
  Because it's a lovely, elegant car.
• 24:19
  It makes a wonderful first impression or makes a great
• 24:21
  impression. You could be proud to take it
• 24:24
  anywhere. It's kind of like, you know,
• 24:26
  Lynn was talking about the Defender where it's a lovely,
• 24:29
  elegant thing to show up in and then you can also take it off
• 24:32
  road. And I think that's the same
• 24:36
  criteria or same, you know, conclusion with the Integra in
• 24:39
  the sense of like, you could definitely take this to a very
• 24:42
  fancy event or a client meeting or any kind of, you know,
• 24:46
  professional setting. But you also, because it's a
• 24:49
  manual, you have this very fun car.
• 24:53
  Yeah. And also take your children in
• 24:54
  it if you need to. Yeah.
• 24:56
  And there aren't a lot of manual sedans on the market today.
• 25:00
  Like we looked it up earlier and the M3.
• 25:04
  So it's not trying to be an M3. No, it is back in the day when I
• 25:08
  had like, you know, I don't know, my first or second real
• 25:10
  job and I was stepping up from my my Volvo S40 to three series
• 25:16
  or an A4 end up going with an A four 2.8 manual right.
• 25:20
  So I couldn't afford the S4, but was also not trying to be the
• 25:23
  S4, but yet it could almost keep up with an S4 and it it it
• 25:27
  scratched that that enthusiast hitch, but it was also a a
• 25:31
  classy solution again to to picking up a client or picking
• 25:34
  up a date or that kind of thing. It was just those cars used to
• 25:37
  be everywhere. There used to be so many cars in
• 25:39
  that segment. There are fewer now.
• 25:41
  And I, I, I, I think that I think that, that the Integra
• 25:45
  might be the best. And have you seen the new 3
• 25:49
  Series? The Integra's a good looking
• 25:53
  thing. Holy moly, I'm.
• 25:54
  A little undecided the new 3 Series and and you know our our
• 25:58
  friend John Dyste has the three series the 3:30 M or something
• 26:03
  and I think that's very similar yeah but I don't even know if
• 26:07
  you can get that a manual anymore his is his is an
• 26:09
  automatic so if you want a manual there aren't too many
• 26:11
  choices this is not not only is it one of the few choices it's
• 26:15
  like it's like kind of the game over choice like this is this is
• 26:20
  it it's such a good car I go on and on about this thing it's
• 26:24
  fantastic so. It's so good all around and like
• 26:26
  you said, I mean the the gearbox is just so solid and like it's
• 26:33
  just so fun. Sewing machine.
• 26:35
  It is. I was delighted.
• 26:37
  Make manuals like that. It's.
• 26:39
  I know you know, and it so again, I drove this one at the
• 26:42
  NAWAPA event and I went to get in it and I was so excited that
• 26:45
  it was a manual and yeah, I mean, as far as like new manual
• 26:50
  4 door sedans, this is a fantastic option.
• 26:54
  It's one of the few, yeah, yeah, because you can go get, they
• 26:59
  made 330 fives, you know, BMWs like 2010, 2011, you could get
• 27:05
  those in a manual or you could get an E90M3 sedan in a manual,
• 27:09
  obviously. But those are old cars at this
• 27:11
  point, Older, you know? So if you want a new option,
• 27:15
  yeah. The only hit against it front
• 27:17
  wheel drive right. Right.
• 27:19
  So depending on where you live, that may not be what you want.
• 27:21
  Or maybe that's why you need AT Rex and an Integra.
• 27:26
  But damn, it's just it's such I I don't I don't like I have no
• 27:30
  demerits for that car. Like they have squeezed
• 27:34
  everything they possibly can out of out of, you know, those facts
• 27:38
  and figures, right? I mean, it's the best of the
• 27:40
  breed again, so. Well, and like you said for the
• 27:44
  the visual punch that it delivers and you know, we talk
• 27:47
  all the time about the reports that you know, the average new
• 27:49
  car is $50,000. The one that I have is the
• 27:54
  sticker price is 41195. That's so much, right?
• 27:58
  It's a ton of car for the money, like I don't think you can go
• 28:01
  wrong with it. So that's my second choice for
• 28:05
  best internal combustion vehicle.
• 28:07
  And 3rd I have to go with the Mazda MX5 Miata which was so
• 28:18
  much fun. Now I got to drive it.
• 28:19
  The top was off. So was it RF or was it the full
• 28:22
  convertible? RF.
• 28:25
  OK, because that's kind of that's a little tighter inside
• 28:27
  I've discovered than the full convertible, although I really
• 28:29
  like the idea of it, the package look, but.
• 28:32
  So that that was my one sort of caveat to the Miata is I was
• 28:39
  very, very aware how small it is.
• 28:41
  Yeah. But I mean what a fun I couldn't
• 28:45
  buy. That I I couldn't buy that maybe
• 28:48
  the convertible, but the RF, the hard top, it doesn't fit me and.
• 28:52
  Yeah, I could see that. So.
• 28:54
  Much fun. It was that was the thing and
• 28:57
  and they had the, you know, the tops off.
• 29:00
  It was bright sunshine and it was just, I'm like, man, you
• 29:04
  could just go cruise. But I always one of the things I
• 29:08
  think about too is like, OK, who is the intended audience or
• 29:11
  like, what's the use case for this car?
• 29:13
  And I was very aware of how small it was because we were on
• 29:16
  the freeway. You know, we were taking them on
• 29:18
  surface streets, but also getting on the highway and where
• 29:22
  we were there were, you know, as you find on the highway, there
• 29:26
  were a lot of semi trucks and whatever.
• 29:28
  And there's a big contrast between a semi truck and the
• 29:31
  MX5. So I went OK.
• 29:34
  But I'm loving the driving experience.
• 29:36
  This is so much fun. It is pure.
• 29:38
  It is. And it's like pure driving
• 29:40
  again. That one was manual too.
• 29:41
  So I went, all right, if I had this, I would probably take it
• 29:46
  out on weekend mornings early, like, take it to Cars and
• 29:49
  Coffee, go for it. Like, just go for a drive when
• 29:52
  the roads are empty. Yeah, But I probably wouldn't
• 29:55
  use it as a daily. And and so you take this, you
• 29:59
  choose this over the BRZ or the 86 cars and that which is also
• 30:05
  on the list. And yeah, I fit better, a little
• 30:08
  bit better in the 86. I I could almost swing that as a
• 30:11
  daily driver. And I think it feels like you
• 30:13
  could daily. Drive it, Yeah.
• 30:15
  But there's something about having an open top and when, you
• 30:19
  know, I, I don't know, here in Colorado, you got to be a little
• 30:22
  careful. You're going to fry your top,
• 30:24
  your head off, you know, a lot of the summer.
• 30:25
  But in the morning, the afternoon, you know, on an
• 30:28
  overcast day, I mean, there's nothing better than an open car.
• 30:32
  And that is sort of a good compromise of an open.
• 30:34
  It's a great compromise of an open car.
• 30:36
  I would have to, with my own money, I think I'd get the BRZ,
• 30:40
  which was not my top three, but might be 4 or five in that list.
• 30:43
  I really did enjoy it. And and you know, the Miata has
• 30:46
  even I think a little bit less power that that's it.
• 30:49
  It's just that is there aren't too many fun cars.
• 30:52
  Every car takes itself so seriously anymore.
• 30:54
  We've talked about this. You know, every crossover's got
• 30:56
  to look like it's a military vehicle, right?
• 30:59
  You know, every truck, you know, every sports car's got to look
• 31:02
  like it's, you know, ready to race, right?
• 31:04
  That is one of the few cars anymore.
• 31:06
  That's just just a fun car. You know, it's not trying to be
• 31:09
  anything that it isn't knows it's not the fastest thing in
• 31:12
  the world. Yet you see a ton of them at
• 31:13
  track days, right, because they're still very capable,
• 31:16
  right? And they're just they're just
• 31:17
  great cars that put a smile on your face.
• 31:19
  It again, I laughed when I when I within, you know, 500 feet, it
• 31:23
  was laughing. I don't know, another car I was
• 31:25
  laughing in maybe a defender off road.
• 31:27
  But yeah, it's another story for another time.
• 31:29
  But it's all, I mean, again, it's like the right tool for the
• 31:31
  job. Like if you want to go for a
• 31:33
  drive and just have like a pure driving experience.
• 31:36
  And the one that we had at the event was the that fantastic red
• 31:40
  that they do, the sole red crystal metallic.
• 31:43
  I mean, they've got metallic red down that them and Acura.
• 31:47
  So the yeah, the one that I drove was 181 horsepower, 151 LB
• 31:51
  feet of torque. But it's so tiny that it really
• 31:54
  gets up and goes, Yeah, the one that I drove was the sticker
• 31:58
  price was 40,280. So again, like you get a lot of
• 32:03
  value. I think it just depends on your
• 32:05
  comfort level and what you need like that.
• 32:07
  Yeah, the I think the other part of that is it wouldn't work for
• 32:10
  my daily life because I need to take dogs and children and all
• 32:13
  that, so there isn't enough space.
• 32:14
  But if it was a dedicated weekend, fun car, like
• 32:19
  fantastic. I would encourage anyone to buy
• 32:20
  one if it fits you, it suits your lifestyle, you you, you
• 32:23
  will have no regrets with the Miata.
• 32:25
  Yeah, exactly. The old ones too.
• 32:26
  I don't know if you've checked like the prices on a good NA
• 32:28
  Miata. So back, you know, 9091 up to 90
• 32:33
  to 96, I think 97, those things are, are have come way up
• 32:39
  because the ones that are left are the really good ones.
• 32:42
  And so, yeah, they're, they're, you know, they've always been
• 32:44
  good, you know, and I think this, the Miata they're making
• 32:48
  now is the best Miata they've made so.
• 32:50
  You heard it here first. Yeah.
• 32:53
  All right. So the next category.
• 32:55
  Is 30 minutes are we? I know we got to, we got to keep
• 32:58
  it moving, right? Yeah.
• 33:00
  Well, we can. We can edit.
• 33:02
  Passionate about about these things though we are so.
• 33:05
  All right, so let's move on to the best EV.
• 33:08
  So the options are the Lucid Air, the Lucid Gravity, the
• 33:12
  Genesis GV 60 Magma, the Mercedes CLA 250 Plus Pinnacle,
• 33:18
  the Hyundai Ionic 5, the Subaru Trail Seeker, the Toyota BZ, or
• 33:24
  the Lexus ES350E. Yeah.
• 33:29
  So a couple of these cars I've not driven, I've not driven the
• 33:31
  Magma and I've not driven that Mercedes.
• 33:35
  This is such a tricky one because you know, I daily drive
• 33:38
  or at least we have a an EV, it's kind of our primary family
• 33:41
  vehicle and it's a pole star too and whole other story there.
• 33:44
  But you know, so we're, you know, we're, we're EV converts,
• 33:50
  right? And and and you know it's.
• 33:52
  A friendly audience. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:54
  Even that car, which the design is several years old now, does
• 33:57
  things really, really right. I just had the Trail Seeker and
• 34:00
  the first time I drove the Trail Seeker was at one of our arm app
• 34:03
  events. And so I, I don't know, I spent
• 34:05
  probably less than an hour I thought was fantastic.
• 34:09
  You know, it's, so it's basically, if you could picture
• 34:12
  an Outback, you know that's electric, right?
• 34:14
  This is the, I had one as a long term about, I don't know, a week
• 34:17
  or two ago and it was such a what do you want to it was, it
• 34:25
  was a confounding experience because the car itself is pretty
• 34:29
  great, right? Like it's got a great ride.
• 34:32
  It's a much better ride than our Pols Dr. It's a bigger, longer
• 34:35
  car. It's got 375 horsepower, so you
• 34:38
  know, off the line it's quite quick.
• 34:40
  It had a lot of fun, you know, surprising people at stoplights.
• 34:44
  Yeah, they accelerate rapidly. They, they, they do, they do.
• 34:49
  It's, it's, it's a, it's a very usable, functional thing.
• 34:54
  But I, I little little things, little things.
• 34:59
  I hate to pick this car apart because it's so close to being a
• 35:01
  wonderful car. It's got Tesla, the Tesla
• 35:05
  charging connector. But if you can't just go up to a
• 35:08
  Tesla charger, you've got to download the Subaru app that
• 35:12
  then connects you. But if you haven't downloaded
• 35:15
  the Subaru app, then you're, you're screwed.
• 35:18
  It has a connector, an adapter to use whatever the traditional
• 35:21
  system is like that our pole star has.
• 35:24
  But we, we, I found that getting stuck in the, the port, you
• 35:28
  know, it's this kind of stuff. It's just some elements of it
• 35:31
  are fundamental. It's a fantastic car.
• 35:33
  Yeah. But the details, you know,
• 35:36
  little things like the pole star when it's charging in the
• 35:38
  garage, the screen is on and it's this big high def screen
• 35:42
  that tells you how much time you have.
• 35:44
  The, the, the Subaru, the trail seeker, it's a little red light
• 35:48
  that flashes like it's your seat belt light, you know, and you've
• 35:51
  got to get in the car and turn it on.
• 35:54
  Little, little it's 1000. It's kind of death by 1000 cuts.
• 35:58
  I'm sure a lot of these things, the, the alarms, the the beeping
• 36:01
  and all this can be turned off. But I just felt like you
• 36:03
  couldn't do anything in that car without it.
• 36:05
  It, it beeping at you. So with that car is almost my
• 36:09
  number one in that group, not having driven everything.
• 36:13
  More like it would take some setting up it would take.
• 36:17
  Some setting up I, I, I think and I think it would be a
• 36:20
  wonderful car for so many people.
• 36:23
  That said, I don't know that it's my personal #1 let's.
• 36:26
  So instead of me going down the list, what would be your number
• 36:28
  one? So my number one, OK, I'm just
• 36:34
  going to do my first and 2nd. OK.
• 36:35
  Give yours and then I'll come back.
• 36:36
  Yeah. With Yeah, yeah.
• 36:38
  So my 2 favorites were and the again, this is we say sometimes
• 36:44
  there are delightful surprises. So they I had one of the Hyundai
• 36:50
  Ionic fives at I had it for alone over the summer.
• 36:53
  So I had it for a week and then it was also at this NAWAPA event
• 36:58
  just this last month and I love that car so much.
• 37:02
  That's my real #1 and it's because it doesn't have.
• 37:05
  Those issues fantastic. Yeah, you get in it's it's a
• 37:10
  seamless, easy, intuitive driving experience.
• 37:13
  And it is. So the one that I had was Atlas
• 37:18
  white mat. So it was just this like cool,
• 37:20
  kind of like slightly metallic matte white with they said grey,
• 37:26
  but it was like a very light, light, light grey, almost white
• 37:29
  interior. And we all kept saying we get in
• 37:33
  it, you know, you get in and sit down and it was like, it was
• 37:37
  like an exhale in a good way. It was very thin inside and even
• 37:42
  the color was like even the exterior color.
• 37:44
  It was a very calming car, super calming driving experience.
• 37:50
  You know, We talked with Scott Kruger from Stilantis about the
• 37:53
  user experience and the driving experience and the user
• 37:56
  experience of the Ionic 5 is 1 of like serenity and peace and
• 38:02
  calm and just, and it's a lovely car to drive.
• 38:06
  Like the ride is wonderful. Hearing is great.
• 38:09
  It was very intuitive. So.
• 38:12
  So actually that's my first choice.
• 38:15
  Yeah, I think it's my first. Yeah.
• 38:17
  And like even sitting in the driveway, I would look out and
• 38:19
  see it and smile because it was like, man, when you are in that
• 38:22
  car, it is just so nice. It's been around for a.
• 38:27
  Few years, right? Yeah, I feel like I first drove
• 38:30
  1. You know, it's probably 3 or 4
• 38:31
  years ago, but yeah, that's, that's, you know, it does so
• 38:34
  many things, right? It's just, it just walks that
• 38:37
  line of like, you know, handling versus ride quality.
• 38:41
  You know, none of the none of the like half baked issues that
• 38:44
  I hate to say like we had in the Trail Seeker.
• 38:46
  If you don't need something that now that Trail Seeker is
• 38:48
  genuinely capable off road in a way that the the Hyundai, you
• 38:52
  know, is more of a, you know, Rd. oriented vehicle.
• 38:55
  I have off roaded both of them believe it or not.
• 38:57
  Have you OK at Mudfest? I off roaded both of them.
• 39:01
  Well, how was the Hyundai off road because I don't think of it
• 39:04
  having that much clearance. Okay.
• 39:06
  It did great. It was.
• 39:08
  Okay, well it. Was very funny because we did
• 39:10
  the first day of that event, it was a 2 day event.
• 39:12
  Yeah. The first day was on road and
• 39:14
  then the second day was entirely off road.
• 39:17
  All of the vehicles, I think there was one vehicle that they
• 39:19
  pulled back just because of clearance and there was one
• 39:21
  where they said, you know, don't bomb up the hill but like go
• 39:24
  ahead. There were no caveats with the
• 39:26
  Ionic 5 and it shoot up the course.
• 39:29
  It did fantastically. Just goes.
• 39:32
  That was such a funny thing because there were several cars
• 39:34
  where you're like, I don't know that I would have thought to
• 39:36
  take this off road. Yeah.
• 39:37
  But now that I have seen its capabilities, yeah, maybe I
• 39:40
  would do some light off. But it just.
• 39:43
  Added to, you know, it's an incredibly capable car.
• 39:48
  I think it'd be a fantastic around town.
• 39:50
  It's probably delightful on a road trip because it's so
• 39:53
  calming and you know. Packaging is great.
• 39:56
  Yeah, I took four adults in it. Everybody was comfortable and
• 39:59
  had plenty of room, you know, 2 tall guys.
• 40:02
  Yeah. So you.
• 40:03
  See them everywhere, at least here in Denver.
• 40:04
  So I mean, I guess, you know, the proof's in the pudding or
• 40:07
  whatever, you know, they're selling these things.
• 40:09
  Once I knew I was getting it, and then especially once it was
• 40:11
  dropped off, I was seeing them everywhere.
• 40:15
  I'm like, with good reason, like people are.
• 40:17
  I think it's funny because that's another one that I think
• 40:19
  flies under the radar a little bit, but people are buying them
• 40:23
  and driving them. Yeah, that's a car I would
• 40:25
  consider buying. Same.
• 40:27
  Yeah. And it's I I don't generally
• 40:30
  gravitate towards EVs. Like I don't have a, it's just I
• 40:35
  grew up without them. Sure, I think that's not.
• 40:37
  The first, well, we all did, Lindsay.
• 40:38
  And let's hear that one weird guy with like the home built
• 40:41
  wedge shaped thing, you know, with the, you know, the.
• 40:44
  Yeah. So it's, it's not my default to
• 40:48
  think of them. Yeah.
• 40:49
  But I think that really speaks to the quality of the car or the
• 40:53
  driving experience or the user experience when it's converting
• 40:56
  people that that isn't their default.
• 40:58
  And they're like, hey, I would absolutely commit to this.
• 41:00
  Yep, that's a car I've recommended.
• 41:02
  We'll continue to recommend, you know, yeah, it's just a great
• 41:05
  car. What about your number 2?
• 41:08
  OK, so #2 is the Lexus ES350E, which I just got to drive at the
• 41:15
  Nuapa event, hadn't seen one before and I was kind of neutral
• 41:21
  in the sense of I hadn't seen one before.
• 41:22
  This was my first experience. They, you know, Lexus was great.
• 41:25
  They brought one and they had a representative come and do a
• 41:28
  walk around and tell us all about the car.
• 41:31
  You know, it's always interesting to hear because
• 41:33
  there's so much thought that goes into the interior design
• 41:35
  and the materials. And this one had bamboo, you
• 41:38
  know, door cards, which were super cool.
• 41:41
  Obviously doesn't change the driving experience, but it's
• 41:43
  always nice to see these little touches and have them pointed
• 41:45
  out. And holy cow was the ride and
• 41:50
  just the smoothness of that car. I mean, lovely that's, you know,
• 41:56
  it's always interesting when a word pops into your head when
• 41:58
  you're driving a new car and they just kept hearing lovely
• 42:02
  over and over in my head. It's just a great car, right?
• 42:05
  Like, you know, like some of the other cars we've talked about.
• 42:08
  That was something that really surprised me.
• 42:10
  I've driven both the the electric and the the ICE.
• 42:13
  The electric is the superior car.
• 42:16
  It is that is my little like, you know, hot pocket of Zen like
• 42:21
  that. They just it's like right, It's
• 42:23
  like it's like you're losing this little pod, but like done
• 42:26
  well, right, It is like it's kind of like the first time you
• 42:29
  got one of like the Lexus LS400's of your right.
• 42:33
  Right. Like what is this?
• 42:34
  Damn, This is like, I want to just drive this all day, right?
• 42:38
  Yeah. It's kind of generic looking,
• 42:40
  but it's good looking, you know? It's kind of, you know, you
• 42:43
  know, at the moment there were times I thought, God, I'm
• 42:45
  driving like a grandma's car, but then like, no, I really like
• 42:48
  this. This is this is what I this is
• 42:51
  the anti road rage mobile like this is.
• 42:54
  Right, it chills you out, right? It's the Zen mode.
• 42:57
  Not the fastest EV, if I recall right.
• 42:59
  I mean, they had good power, but it wasn't, you know, like, you
• 43:02
  know, probably isn't like 3 1/2 seconds to 60.
• 43:04
  It's probably 4 1/2 seconds or five seconds, right?
• 43:06
  Which is? Yeah, plenty, because it has a
• 43:08
  single, single electric motor. So the one that I drove was 221
• 43:12
  horsepower, 100 and 98 LB Feud of torque.
• 43:15
  I drove the dual motor. OK, Yeah.
• 43:18
  So I had a bit more, I believe it was a dual motor.
• 43:20
  I'll check that. But yeah, I but I didn't think
• 43:22
  power was an issue, whatever it was that it.
• 43:24
  Was no, I mean and even with the single motor it was not.
• 43:27
  And again, this the one that I drove was priced at $47,500
• 43:32
  like. It's a Lexus A.
• 43:33
  Lot of and it's a Lexus. So if you, I feel like it's, you
• 43:38
  could kind of say the Ionic 5 and this Lexus are like two
• 43:44
  sides of the same coin depending on, you know, if you if the name
• 43:49
  is important to you or the brand is important to you, get the
• 43:52
  Lexus if it isn't considered both because they're not that
• 43:56
  far apart in price. No, no.
• 43:59
  You know, the Ionic 5 was 51, the one that we drove at the
• 44:05
  event or the one that I had over the summer, it was 51, which
• 44:08
  again for what you're getting, I think is a reasonable price.
• 44:11
  Like I think you're getting a lot of car for that, but they're
• 44:13
  not that far. Apart deals, yeah, I do think
• 44:16
  that the Lexus, Lexus is a more luxury, luxurious experience,
• 44:21
  but I feel I feel like the Hyundai has a little more
• 44:23
  utility. All right, I'll leave it at
• 44:24
  that. But those are both cars that I
• 44:26
  would actually buy. I guess I'm getting old, but
• 44:29
  that that Lexus is really compelling.
• 44:33
  And I think it speaks to the quality of the car.
• 44:35
  And it's a better, more refine, a better, more refined car as an
• 44:39
  EV and an Alexis, that's what you want, right?
• 44:42
  So yeah, that's wild. See that that was that was a
• 44:44
  surprise. That was a surprise this year.
• 44:46
  Right, I know. All right.
• 44:48
  So what are your your best EV 1st and 2nd place?
• 44:51
  Well, I think I still have to go with with the Hyundai, the ONIC
• 44:54
  5 and then and then the the Lexus, but they're very, very
• 44:57
  close and asterisk that that Subaru is so close to being
• 45:02
  wonderful. If they can iron out a few
• 45:04
  things or I don't know, maybe they can teach me what I'm doing
• 45:07
  wrong. That's that's.
• 45:09
  Probably we need a course, yeah. That's right there too.
• 45:12
  It's just those other two are so ironed out.
• 45:15
  Yeah, that's true. And I drove the Trail Seeker at
• 45:18
  the event in the spring, and I think one of the things that I
• 45:22
  loved about it, because it was one of their, you know, first
• 45:26
  EVs, it still had the Subaru familiarity to it.
• 45:30
  Yeah. It's not what's nice where you
• 45:31
  get in and you're like, OK, I know this.
• 45:34
  Yeah. But it's really well done.
• 45:35
  Like, the interiors are lovely. They're doing such a great job.
• 45:38
  That one has one of the Squovel steering wheels, so that took a
• 45:41
  little bit of getting you too. Yes, but you will and you will
• 45:44
  never think. You do like by day two, it was
• 45:47
  not attracting, you know, it wasn't catching my attention.
• 45:50
  And then, yeah, I mean, it drove really nicely, great
• 45:54
  acceleration, so. Great.
• 45:56
  Yeah. Yeah, I I mean, it did the auto
• 45:58
  cross course and it did they they had like a we were out at
• 46:02
  the Ridge racetrack and they had the go Kart course is a, you
• 46:07
  know, scaled down version of the racetrack.
• 46:09
  It handled that no problem and again and it did all the off
• 46:12
  roading so. Yeah, if you recommend if you
• 46:16
  are someone for from the safety nannies are are important,
• 46:19
  right. Like you know that is your car.
• 46:23
  Some of us like a little less intrusion, but again, you know,
• 46:27
  I I don't want to, I don't want to knock it because it's a
• 46:30
  wonderful car. If you are, if you are a Subaru
• 46:33
  person and you're looking for an EV like that is your car game,
• 46:35
  you know, done. Right, because you can take 5
• 46:38
  people, plenty of cargo, you know, I mean that one, when I
• 46:41
  got out of that, and again, it's like I've learned to listen to
• 46:45
  my, you know, internal monologue, especially on the
• 46:48
  days where you're driving a bunch of different cars in a
• 46:49
  row. I got out of that one and I went
• 46:52
  and told the Subaru Rep because I think I had driven the
• 46:54
  Uncharted and then I went into the trail seeker and I was like
• 46:58
  Subaru is killing it like. They're just, yeah.
• 47:01
  They're good. They're.
• 47:02
  Really like a damn hooligan too. Like it's got enough power and
• 47:05
  the handling is is good enough where you can actually have fun
• 47:08
  in it, which I can't say for every EV or every Subaru for
• 47:12
  that matter. So you know it, it does fix that
• 47:14
  issue. I think I did a a real on
• 47:16
  Instagram about this. Something like the Outback or
• 47:18
  the forest or traditionally it's all it's been all about the
• 47:21
  utility. It's you're not getting that car
• 47:23
  for the powertrain, especially with the CVT transmissions and
• 47:26
  and this kind of thing that solves that big problem because
• 47:29
  you won't want for any power, right?
• 47:32
  You don't have to worry about the, you know, a transmission
• 47:35
  choice. It's just, I just maybe I was
• 47:38
  having a bad week. I just couldn't get past some of
• 47:41
  that. You need to do the nannies and
• 47:42
  stuff. Yeah, but it's so close.
• 47:44
  But that's, yeah, that could be the number one for a lot of
• 47:48
  people listening. Just know what you're getting
• 47:50
  into. Yeah, that's fair.
• 47:52
  It's quirky. Believe it at that.
• 47:54
  There you go. OK, so next category is best
• 48:01
  hybrid or Pehev. So the options are the Tucson,
• 48:06
  so the Hyundai Tucson, the Mazda CX50, the Toyota Rav 4, the I'm
• 48:12
  going to do a little dog pass on here.
• 48:17
  He's getting antsy. It's OK.
• 48:19
  The Jeep Cherokee overland or the Toyota crown signia.
• 48:26
  So, your thoughts? I like the crown Signia.
• 48:31
  It's not perfect. It's a, it's, it's kind of like
• 48:33
  the trail seeker and maybe there's some shared componentry
• 48:36
  there. I'd have to look that up.
• 48:38
  It's a it's more refined than the Subaru.
• 48:42
  Well you did a longer Rd. Trip I did, I did.
• 48:44
  That's a that, that's a good car.
• 48:46
  You know, I, I went back, I was reading that that article.
• 48:50
  I went back to read that article because someone had asked about
• 48:52
  it and this was less than a year ago.
• 48:54
  And I referenced, gosh, paying $1.88 for gas somewhere in
• 48:58
  Nebraska and like what a cheap car that was to operate, it
• 49:01
  being a hybrid that is, it's, it's, it's, it's Lexus, like a
• 49:06
  lot of people said, it's there's your, there's your cheap Lexus.
• 49:08
  It's not that. I don't think it's as refined as
• 49:11
  the Lexus we were talking about earlier, but that's a very good
• 49:15
  car, really nice interior. I keep coming back to that as
• 49:18
  one of those cars. Like, yeah, I think about that
• 49:20
  car sometimes because it was just so good at being a car,
• 49:23
  right? Yeah, it has its own flavor.
• 49:25
  It's not that Acura, it's not that Subaru, but that's probably
• 49:29
  my number one in that group because I think it just did so
• 49:33
  many things, right. Number two, I thought the
• 49:36
  Hyundai was quite good as well. OK, the Tucson.
• 49:41
  The Tucson I thought that was was quite nice.
• 49:44
  Didn't love the Jeep. What else is in that list?
• 49:48
  Didn't love the. Rav 4 the Mazda CX50 the Rav.
• 49:51
  Four CX 50 was underwhelming. I wanted to like it because I
• 49:56
  like the way it looks. I like Mazdas, but it just
• 49:58
  didn't quite do it for me. There's something about it.
• 50:00
  The ride seemed harsh. Yeah, for me, it's that it's
• 50:02
  that Toyota and then the and then the Hyundai.
• 50:05
  What about you there? You go.
• 50:06
  So I haven't driven the crown, but you, I know you have raved
• 50:10
  about it and we got to see one at the LA Auto Show last year.
• 50:14
  That's. Where it all began, Yeah.
• 50:15
  That was where, you know, that was what kicked it off.
• 50:18
  I did just have the Tucson for a week following the CX5 that I
• 50:24
  had and I drove the CX50 at the event in Portland and I've
• 50:31
  driven a couple Rav fours. So I think I would like more
• 50:37
  time with the Jeep because it was interesting.
• 50:41
  I was very aware of how big it was, kind of the scale of it.
• 50:46
  Even the steering wheel was very thick compared to everything
• 50:48
  else. And possibly because I was
• 50:50
  driving like 12 other cars that day, you're more aware of the
• 50:54
  differences. But I think if I had to pick
• 50:58
  winners, I actually would pick the Rav 4 because I've driven.
• 51:06
  I drove the woodland this time. And then I drove Yeah.
• 51:11
  And they had another one at Mudfest and I was really
• 51:15
  impressed with both of them, like.
• 51:17
  Would be my #3 because it's come a long way.
• 51:20
  The seats are always an issue in Toyota's and the Rav Fours, the
• 51:22
  new seat is actually quite good. So yeah, yeah, maybe I need to
• 51:25
  reconsider. That could be a possible #2 tie.
• 51:28
  I think it's something that flies under the radar because I
• 51:30
  think, like you said, people have in their minds what the
• 51:32
  definition of a Rav 4 is. And if you haven't seen a new
• 51:35
  one, I think you would be, you know, blown away.
• 51:38
  Might be too much, but I think you would be very pleasantly
• 51:41
  surprised by the quality. And, you know, the interior is
• 51:44
  nice. I think it's a great utility
• 51:47
  car. Like if you're around town,
• 51:49
  moving kids, dogs, whatever, you don't want something giant, but
• 51:52
  you want the ability to take people and some stuff.
• 51:56
  I think it's a great option. So I would pick that one.
• 51:59
  That's a good choice. And then, yeah, I think the
• 52:02
  Tucson would be my second choice.
• 52:05
  I really love the design. And again, the interior you get
• 52:09
  in, it was another one, like another Hyundai that I got in.
• 52:12
  And I'm like, I love this interior and just kind of the
• 52:15
  little touches, you know, the lighting was lovely.
• 52:19
  It had colored lighting it, but it was just very again, like
• 52:21
  calming Zen, you know? Now that the palisade is like
• 52:26
  Tahoe size, yeah, like that's kind of the right size, right?
• 52:30
  Yeah, it's, and I think that is having all these different cars
• 52:33
  has shown me how many are in that category.
• 52:37
  Like, you know, and I was talking to one of the people
• 52:40
  that manages the fleet, one of the fleets up here and he said,
• 52:43
  well, that's what people want, that's what they're driving.
• 52:46
  And it makes perfect sense because it's parking lot or you
• 52:49
  know, parking spot sized, but it's still very capable.
• 52:53
  You could take 5 people if you wanted to.
• 52:54
  You can take stuff and it's not massive, right?
• 52:59
  Yeah, no, it's. And it and with the hybrid
• 53:02
  option, it's easier on gas and all of that.
• 53:06
  I think the exterior design is great.
• 53:08
  Yep, the back seat was comfortable for my daughter.
• 53:12
  So I think it's a great option. I'm trying to see.
• 53:16
  I was going to say, so the one that I drove was it was 40,000
• 53:20
  which. Yeah, that's for.
• 53:22
  So many people high. I think it might be a little bit
• 53:25
  high, but still, you know, it's below average.
• 53:29
  I think it's a good option. This is a segment that's so
• 53:32
  crowded, has so many good cars, not too many, you know, bad
• 53:36
  cars, if any. It comes down to like a choice
• 53:40
  of of preferences, right? You want a little more
• 53:42
  refinement? Do you want a little more
• 53:43
  utility? Do you care for like the seat
• 53:46
  fits you, you know, do you want to sport your ride a cushier
• 53:49
  ride? You know, and honestly, some of
• 53:51
  these cars that would just come down to like, you know, what's
• 53:53
  the dealer willing to deal, you know, on.
• 53:56
  Yeah, the economics of it. Right, Right.
• 53:59
  Yeah. I think we both agree that the
• 54:01
  Jeep probably wasn't a winner for us.
• 54:05
  And then also the CX50 I think was probably would probably be
• 54:09
  like second to last place for me.
• 54:11
  I've not driven the new CX5 and it's so odd that they have these
• 54:14
  two vehicles which are which operate in literally the same
• 54:17
  segment. They're they're selling almost
• 54:19
  against themselves. And I think I would have taken a
• 54:23
  couple years ago, I would have taken the CX50, but I think the
• 54:25
  new CX5 may have that refinement that I was missing in the CX50,
• 54:30
  so. It does.
• 54:31
  So that is actually the car that I had that I drove to and from
• 54:34
  the event. So I spent, you know, 8 hours
• 54:37
  Rd. tripping down and back and it was so that was an
• 54:41
  interesting surprise when I got in the CX50 because I was like,
• 54:44
  oh, I'm driving one of these right now.
• 54:46
  It's probably going to be the same thing.
• 54:48
  And the CX5 has gotten a cosmetic update inside.
• 54:53
  So it's got all the new, you know, interior and it is a
• 54:58
  lovely place to be. Yeah, I think probably has the
• 55:02
  previous generation interior design still.
• 55:05
  Yeah, and they do drive a little differently.
• 55:07
  They do and it has I think a little more off road capability
• 55:10
  too. Sorry to talk of me about the
• 55:11
  CX50. I think is intended to be a
• 55:13
  little more tough or whatever that makes sense because it was
• 55:18
  is there too, but. Yeah, and it was the CX5 was a
• 55:22
  little bit more of a refined driving.
• 55:25
  Experience. Yeah, but that's a good thing.
• 55:26
  Probably the better car. Well, and I think it depends on
• 55:29
  what, like you said, what you're buying it for.
• 55:31
  Like what? Or do you want something that
• 55:32
  can go off road, you know? That's it.
• 55:35
  It comes down to just personal preferences.
• 55:37
  It's such a crowded, competitive segment that, you know there's
• 55:40
  no room for bad stuff. Yeah, I don't even know what
• 55:42
  would be a bad car in that segment anymore, honestly.
• 55:45
  I know. Well, and that Jeep may not be
• 55:48
  my favorite, but it's not a bad car.
• 55:50
  It's just comes down to finishes and things and.
• 55:53
  You know, what's interesting to me is like, and This is why I
• 55:56
  love talking to the guys that manage the fleets up here
• 55:59
  because they get to see and drive everything.
• 56:01
  Yeah. And, you know, I've gotten to
• 56:03
  become friends with a few of them.
• 56:05
  And they were at the event. And so we'd kind of talk in
• 56:07
  between, you know what, I'd get out of something and they'd say,
• 56:10
  like, what would you think? Whatever.
• 56:12
  And I was talking to one of my friends after I got out of the
• 56:14
  Jeep and I was telling him like, yeah, I just, I caught myself
• 56:18
  being very aware of the scale of it, which was interesting,
• 56:22
  especially because I drive a full size pickup truck.
• 56:24
  So it's not like I'm Oh my gosh, I don't, I drive something
• 56:28
  really small. I'm not used to this.
• 56:29
  But what was interesting is I said that to him and he said I
• 56:32
  had the exact same experience. I drove it for a short spurt,
• 56:36
  you know, initially and he said, and then he ended up moving in
• 56:40
  between cities. So he was on like a several hour
• 56:42
  road trip in it and he said I fell completely in love with it.
• 56:46
  So for whatever reason you need to spend some time in it.
• 56:51
  And he said now I recommend it to everybody.
• 56:53
  So I'm like, all right, then I need it for hopefully I can get
• 56:56
  it for a long term loan. And I think it's on my schedule
• 56:58
  and so we'll see. But I'm like, yeah, I'm totally
• 57:01
  willing to be, you know, consider that maybe it's
• 57:05
  something you just need to spend a little more.
• 57:06
  Time. That's so OK.
• 57:07
  So this is the tricky thing about that segment.
• 57:09
  Some of these cars or crossovers vehicles are great road trip
• 57:14
  vehicles. They're not the car that I want
• 57:16
  to commute in in. Like around town, Yeah.
• 57:19
  Right. But it's that sweet spot, right?
• 57:21
  Like it's the that we want that I want.
• 57:23
  It's the car that's pretty good at both, right?
• 57:27
  Right, the elusive Unicorn. Back to the Acura Integra.
• 57:30
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it just depends.
• 57:34
  OK. So Speaking of Rd. trips, best
• 57:37
  off roader or adventure vehicle? So the contenders are the Toyota
• 57:42
  4 Runner Trail Hunter, which we've both driven, the Forester
• 57:45
  Wilderness, which we've both driven the Outback Wilderness,
• 57:48
  which you have the Subaru Trail Seeker, which we have both
• 57:52
  driven the Ram 1500 TRX or the Jeep Cherokee Overland, so.
• 57:58
  Crossover. Yeah, a little.
• 58:01
  Bit so should we say that we can only choose winners from things
• 58:05
  that we haven't discussed yet, which shortens the list?
• 58:08
  Yeah, say this one more time. So the Toyota 4 runner trail.
• 58:12
  Right, right, right, right the. Word.
• 58:13
  Forester Wilderness. Yeah.
• 58:15
  Subaru Outback Wilderness. I feel like Subaru's gonna run
• 58:18
  away with this one way or another.
• 58:19
  Subaru Trail Seeker. Yeah.
• 58:21
  Ram 1500 TRX SRT Yeah. Jeep Cherokee Overland.
• 58:25
  OK, so this is oh, it's almost. Except for the lone Toyota.
• 58:29
  This is a battle between Subaru and Stalantis.
• 58:31
  OK, the Toyota that trail hunter, that Toyota 4 runner is
• 58:36
  again a love hate car, but for very different ways than the
• 58:40
  trail seeker made by a completely different company in
• 58:44
  a different continent or not but that trail hunter.
• 58:48
  Happy Trails category. The trilunger looks the
• 58:51
  business. Damn that is a fine looking
• 58:53
  truck that is like the one I had was green with the bronze
• 58:57
  wheels, you know it. Does it?
• 59:00
  Does so many things, but it's got a 300 horsepower 4 cylinder
• 59:04
  turbo. That is a car if it had a six
• 59:07
  cylinder in it and you recall they had an 8 cylinder and a 4
• 59:10
  runner for few years, you know, a couple decades ago that car is
• 59:14
  crying out. I don't even if it has less
• 59:16
  horsepower, give me a, a naturally aspirated 6 cylinder
• 59:20
  because it's it's so on off, it's so hard to drive smoothly.
• 59:24
  It's the same complaint I had. Probably about the only
• 59:26
  complaint I had when I had my turbo 4 cylinder came in right
• 59:30
  where it's just it, it's there's nothing and then there's
• 59:33
  everything. And yeah, it's already kind of
• 59:36
  a. Conscious.
• 59:37
  No, it's so capable off road. I was a little disappointed in
• 59:40
  the ride. I thought the ride based on the
• 59:42
  look in the in the big tires and all that, I thought it'd be a
• 59:44
  bit of a cushier ride. In fact, I found myself driving
• 59:47
  around town with the with the tires aired down.
• 59:49
  It's so highly capable though. I mean, it's just like you find
• 59:52
  yourself looking for bigger and better obstacles because it just
• 59:56
  kind of just goes the damn snorkel.
• 1:00:00
  I loved it for the first day. By the end of the week, I was
• 1:00:02
  done. My poor wife Molly in the
• 1:00:05
  passenger seat was that. Much closer.
• 1:00:08
  If they came up with maybe you can pull a fuse or something if
• 1:00:11
  there's a way that you can cut off that at least have as an
• 1:00:14
  option when you're digging around on your own shirt.
• 1:00:17
  But we were out with the family. You don't want them.
• 1:00:19
  You know, it's just it's it's, it sounds like you're rolling
• 1:00:21
  cold, but you're not. It's just it's, it's, it's a
• 1:00:24
  little much. It's such a great vehicle.
• 1:00:26
  But I, I think if I were buying a 4 runner, I think I'd probably
• 1:00:30
  go for like the, the TRD Pro because you've got so much more
• 1:00:34
  of a capability. What's fun for a day is not fun
• 1:00:37
  for a, you know, a 72 month loan or whatever, you know, because
• 1:00:41
  they're so expensive. But so that could be again, so
• 1:00:44
  close to be my number one, but just, it would be tough to live
• 1:00:48
  with day in and day out because of a few little niggling things.
• 1:00:53
  So #1. So the OK, so it's.
• 1:00:57
  Got to be a Subaru. Yeah, well, I've not.
• 1:01:00
  Driven the TRX you. Know so of what you've driven.
• 1:01:03
  So it is going to be Subaru going to run away with your
• 1:01:06
  choices. They're going to be the winners
• 1:01:07
  here. So fork the wilderness, Outback
• 1:01:09
  wilderness, or trail seeker. I prefer the Outback wilderness
• 1:01:12
  that I have, I think a little bit over the Forester again, I I
• 1:01:15
  thought this was a Forester wilderness until I literally
• 1:01:19
  thought that it was a Forester until I saw the badge in the
• 1:01:21
  back. Because to me they're almost
• 1:01:23
  indistinguishable. I asked Chappie.
• 1:01:25
  My team. But it looks wise just in and
• 1:01:28
  out. I mean, like, unless you're
• 1:01:30
  looking next to each other, I, you know, you drop, drop me to
• 1:01:32
  1. I wouldn't necessarily know.
• 1:01:35
  ChatGPT says that the Outback, it's a little more expensive.
• 1:01:39
  It's a little more of a wagon shape, a little lower, a little
• 1:01:42
  longer. It has a better ride.
• 1:01:44
  To me, the big distinguishing thing is that the that Forester
• 1:01:48
  wilderness I had I think was a hybrid.
• 1:01:50
  This is a but they also make it an an an A naturally aspirated 4
• 1:01:56
  cylinder. This one is it's a turbo 4, but
• 1:02:00
  it actually kind of works with the CVT and everything and
• 1:02:04
  against CVT. But I think, I think it's, I
• 1:02:08
  think I prefer the ride and all that, but it's gotten so big.
• 1:02:12
  They have gotten. Both, both the Forester and the
• 1:02:14
  Outback have gotten so big that it is no longer the lifted wagon
• 1:02:17
  of a generation or two ago. You know, it's about the size
• 1:02:20
  again, you're seriously like, I don't think it's probably far
• 1:02:23
  off of like, you know, a a Tahoe of a couple generations ago.
• 1:02:27
  It is a big vehicle. It's wide.
• 1:02:30
  I mean, I'm a big guy, but it again, it's just so much vehicle
• 1:02:32
  and that's kind of what I keep coming back to.
• 1:02:34
  I think a lot of people like that.
• 1:02:35
  For me, maybe we want something a little smaller, but it's a
• 1:02:38
  great vehicle and none of the issues of of the EV that that
• 1:02:44
  said, the price of gas, the trail seeker may be enough.
• 1:02:49
  Those three vehicles, especially if you like Subarus, you know
• 1:02:51
  what you're getting into. You can't go, can't go wrong.
• 1:02:53
  Yeah. Well, and what about you?
• 1:02:55
  I'm saying because I had the Forester for the Avant's Women's
• 1:02:59
  Off Road Day in March. It was a Forester wilderness,
• 1:03:03
  you know, chewed up the course like didn't have a single
• 1:03:07
  hiccup. Super capable off road.
• 1:03:09
  Super capable off road, that's a distinguishing thing.
• 1:03:12
  Versus yeah, incredibly capable off road.
• 1:03:14
  I know when I talked to Dom later he said he had been
• 1:03:18
  because I had a Forrester Touring for the Off road day in
• 1:03:24
  2025 and so he had one. He was hoping I could have taken
• 1:03:28
  the Outback this year, but it wasn't available.
• 1:03:33
  So the Forester was available. But it was fun to compare
• 1:03:35
  because there's such a difference between the cars and,
• 1:03:40
  you know, I think I got to pick the Forester for my first choice
• 1:03:43
  because it was, we kept remarking, you know, we'd get in
• 1:03:47
  it like anytime Tori and I went anywhere, we'd get in it and
• 1:03:50
  within a couple minutes we both would say, like, gosh, I love
• 1:03:53
  this car. You know, sometimes we wouldn't
• 1:03:55
  even be out of the parking garage and we'd be saying like
• 1:03:57
  and love this car because the interiors have come so far.
• 1:04:02
  Again, it was such a nice place to be.
• 1:04:03
  There were all these little design touches.
• 1:04:05
  It drove really nicely. Plenty of space in the backseat
• 1:04:08
  for my daughter, plenty of cargo space.
• 1:04:11
  I love. Yeah.
• 1:04:13
  And like, because it was the wilderness package.
• 1:04:16
  It came with rubber mats. And especially in Seattle and I
• 1:04:19
  would imagine in Denver, you guys have weather.
• 1:04:21
  It's nice to know We could just, you know, like, if we got wet or
• 1:04:24
  we got muddy or we got snowy or whatever, you can throw stuff in
• 1:04:27
  the back and you don't worry about it.
• 1:04:30
  And it was a nice car. And I think the same thing, you
• 1:04:34
  know, we talk about like, what's the thing you could go off
• 1:04:36
  roading in and then go to the black tie event.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah. Like the exterior isn't quite
• 1:04:41
  black tie yet, but they're they're so nice looking at this
• 1:04:45
  point. Really nice.
• 1:04:47
  Looking you still could show up to a black tie event in that and
• 1:04:50
  be proud of it and like so that's my first choice I highly
• 1:04:54
  recommend them yeah loved driving it I spent the week with
• 1:04:57
  it yeah you know I. Need to have them.
• 1:05:01
  I need to have the Forester again, I think immediately after
• 1:05:04
  this Outback because you know, I just they're, I think it's going
• 1:05:09
  to be the details. Yeah, yeah, it does help to
• 1:05:12
  compare. But yeah, that was 1, You know,
• 1:05:15
  and we've all talked about this on the show of like, what's the
• 1:05:18
  press car that kind of has you, you know, in a chokehold that,
• 1:05:22
  you know, when you go to hand it back, you're going to miss it.
• 1:05:25
  Like, you know, even when you have it, you're like, this is
• 1:05:27
  going to be a tough one to hand back because we're driving so
• 1:05:31
  many different things that if something when you catch
• 1:05:34
  yourself going like, man, I'm going to miss this one.
• 1:05:36
  That is notable because of we got to drive so many different
• 1:05:39
  things. So the Forester I miss, Yeah.
• 1:05:42
  Yeah, and this is what I'll say about Subaru.
• 1:05:45
  You know, they're honest cars, right, Even though they can be
• 1:05:49
  quirky. But that's I guess kind of the
• 1:05:51
  part of the term too, you know, it's.
• 1:05:53
  Like what a dog say like they need some turmoil in the in.
• 1:05:56
  The design or in the car? Yeah, and despite everything
• 1:05:59
  I've said, like I probably still buy a Trail Seeker, they're.
• 1:06:04
  They're great. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:07
  But I think probably the Outback or the Forester make more sense
• 1:06:09
  for most people, probably what they're looking for.
• 1:06:12
  But God, you think about like the, there was an appeal to like
• 1:06:14
  the Subarus of like 3 generations ago, but you look
• 1:06:17
  back and they were just so plain and plastic.
• 1:06:19
  And like the new ones are are, I guess they've kind of grown with
• 1:06:22
  their audience, right? It's more.
• 1:06:24
  Expensive. They've gotten bigger, they've
• 1:06:25
  gotten more upscale. You know, everything works.
• 1:06:28
  You get in, I, I got to say this, this Outback, I get in, it
• 1:06:31
  recognizes that you have a phone that's unpaired and within 1015
• 1:06:35
  seconds my phone was, was, was connected and I was, I was
• 1:06:39
  cooking with gas. That's not every car that in
• 1:06:42
  fact, that's not a lot of cars. And so the ease of use, you
• 1:06:46
  know, it's really easy to get in and out, right, Even compared to
• 1:06:49
  other cars in its class. You know, everything works as it
• 1:06:53
  should. You know, it's just, it's, it's,
• 1:06:57
  it's you. Have to worry about.
• 1:06:58
  Potholes. And yeah, it's just especially
• 1:07:00
  here in Colorado or in Seattle, it is they're the right car for
• 1:07:05
  most people. They're just, they're, they're
• 1:07:07
  just honest and good and, and they work and yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Yeah, it was something where I'm like, I'm very happy to show up
• 1:07:14
  anywhere in this car. Like I'm proud to arrive in
• 1:07:17
  this. It's.
• 1:07:17
  Like a pair of jeans, right? Like, you can dress it up.
• 1:07:20
  You can, yeah, whatever you know, but.
• 1:07:21
  That's been well, and, you know, and the Wilderness, you know, I
• 1:07:24
  haven't seen the other trim levels in the most current
• 1:07:27
  design, but like the level of detail that went into the
• 1:07:31
  interior and all the little touches.
• 1:07:33
  But it wasn't too much because sometimes you're like, oh, they
• 1:07:36
  tried to do too much. Yeah, that is not the case.
• 1:07:38
  They did such a good job and truly we were saying out loud to
• 1:07:42
  each other. After having said that, you
• 1:07:44
  know, six days in a row, we're like, OK, we can't stop saying
• 1:07:47
  it. We love this car.
• 1:07:48
  Yeah, yeah, there's just, there's kind of like an old,
• 1:07:50
  well, I said that in the post, like, you know, hello, old
• 1:07:53
  friend. Like, I mean, that's kind of how
• 1:07:54
  they feel. And I will say I think I prefer
• 1:07:57
  the size. The trail seeker seemed a little
• 1:07:59
  more tailored. And I I think to me, and it's
• 1:08:04
  just yeah, that would that there's an appeal in that.
• 1:08:07
  So yeah, yeah, Subaru, I mean, Subaru's just kind of kind of
• 1:08:13
  its own lane, but I love them for that.
• 1:08:15
  You know, sometimes it can be frustrating, but damn, they do.
• 1:08:19
  They're just great cars. They're just good, honest cars.
• 1:08:21
  Right, we didn't know that we were going to be writing a love
• 1:08:24
  letter to Subaru, but here we are.
• 1:08:25
  No, no. And I didn't really talk about
• 1:08:27
  that BRZA lot, but that BRZ is, you know, I'm missing it.
• 1:08:31
  I'm missing it for sure. Yeah, well, that's a good sign,
• 1:08:34
  right? Very different car from these
• 1:08:36
  other cars we're talking. What A2 door manual compared to
• 1:08:41
  a family hauler that you can take off road?
• 1:08:43
  I don't think you should. Be hard of a car, but they're
• 1:08:45
  all kind of sweethearts of of of of their, you know, I don't know
• 1:08:49
  their of their type. Right.
• 1:08:51
  They do their jobs very well. Yeah.
• 1:08:53
  Yeah. Anyway.
• 1:08:54
  All right enough. All right, so.
• 1:08:57
  So someone texted me tonight like how much is Subaru paying
• 1:08:59
  you? I said I wish you know, but
• 1:09:03
  they're endearing. Now what we are happy to, we are
• 1:09:06
  happy to spend time with their cars.
• 1:09:08
  So that should tell you something.
• 1:09:10
  OK, so let's see. The next category is of of the
• 1:09:16
  cars that you have driven both at the events and press cars.
• 1:09:19
  Was there one that struck you as being a great option for like a
• 1:09:24
  20 year old or a college student or you know, somebody early 20s
• 1:09:28
  kind of just starting out? Was there something where you
• 1:09:30
  went that is the use case for this car?
• 1:09:33
  And you can see now kind of pricey for a college kid, but I,
• 1:09:36
  I think I did a post about this too.
• 1:09:38
  If you've got high school kid, college kid learning to drive
• 1:09:40
  stick BRZ is fantastic because he can be Elliot.
• 1:09:44
  And you know, it is pricey. You know, you don't need the TS
• 1:09:47
  or whatever, but it'll make an enthusiast out of that, out of
• 1:09:50
  that recipient. You know, fortunately,
• 1:09:55
  unfortunately, I don't know, they've driven a lot of cars in
• 1:09:58
  that class, right. A lot of these cars I think are
• 1:10:02
  in in the BRZ too. You know, again, probably too
• 1:10:05
  expensive. You know, I was, you know, so
• 1:10:08
  you know, if if it's college young person, you got to think
• 1:10:11
  it's got to be on the cheap end. I don't what have you driven
• 1:10:14
  that sort of in that class? I don't know.
• 1:10:16
  That I was just looking at so and we talked.
• 1:10:18
  About face Wrangler maybe, which wasn't even on our list, but
• 1:10:21
  like I think would be a pretty great car for a college kid,
• 1:10:24
  but. Could be, I feel like that one
• 1:10:27
  maybe incites some hooliganism, which depends on what your
• 1:10:31
  family's thoughts are on. You know, I've seen hooliganism
• 1:10:35
  Few. Old Jeeps here in Colorado.
• 1:10:36
  So yeah, what about what's the what's the smaller EV Subaru?
• 1:10:42
  So the one that we talked about and I think Lynn has this as a
• 1:10:45
  long term loan and I had it for a week is the cross track and
• 1:10:48
  that's a phenomenal to. Yeah, that that would be the car
• 1:10:51
  for that would be. Yeah, that would be the.
• 1:10:52
  One, but I was just looking at the cars that we have on our
• 1:10:54
  list today. I think the Ionic 5 is so nice
• 1:11:00
  that I feel like because I'm picturing like these are kids
• 1:11:03
  that are going to be moving regularly or moving frequently
• 1:11:06
  during those years, parking it on.
• 1:11:08
  A lot. Yeah, so I think the Hyundai
• 1:11:11
  Tucson would be a good option. Yeah, actually I just spent the
• 1:11:15
  week with a Mazda 3 hatchback and that was a fantastic.
• 1:11:19
  That's that class of Car, right? I've not driven it, but that
• 1:11:22
  would be the that would be the class of Car.
• 1:11:24
  But what was so funny is because I was thinking before I got it,
• 1:11:27
  I'm like, all right, this like the use case is maybe somebody
• 1:11:32
  that's in a city or there, you know, it's a great option
• 1:11:37
  because you can take people in it.
• 1:11:38
  There was plenty of space for my daughter.
• 1:11:40
  I ended up having some furniture that we weren't using anymore
• 1:11:43
  and I was able to put that in the back.
• 1:11:45
  The seats folded down super easily so you could.
• 1:11:47
  Down the woods. Right, just chucked it out.
• 1:11:50
  No, I took it to the donation place, but the seat, it was the
• 1:11:55
  utility of it for the size was striking.
• 1:11:59
  And so I think that would be a great option.
• 1:12:01
  But what was funny about the one that I had, it was this
• 1:12:03
  beautiful kind of champagne, silvery gold color with a black
• 1:12:06
  interior. And I was telling the fleet
• 1:12:09
  people, I'm like, this feels like a luxury car with the way
• 1:12:12
  that it has been, you know, the color way or the spec or
• 1:12:17
  whatever you want to call it. And the interior was really
• 1:12:21
  nice. It was a great place to be.
• 1:12:22
  So it felt very fancy. And then you have the utility.
• 1:12:25
  And I think it would be great for a college student possibly
• 1:12:28
  or somebody, Again, if you're like a young professional just
• 1:12:31
  starting out and you want something that looks nice but
• 1:12:33
  isn't going to break the bank, that's a good option.
• 1:12:37
  And let's see, what else. We've talked about the Subarus
• 1:12:41
  in this way before, but they're kind of like demographic
• 1:12:44
  crushers, right? You can be a wealthy person, you
• 1:12:47
  can be a less wealthy person, whatever.
• 1:12:49
  And it's like, it's never really out of place, right?
• 1:12:51
  It's like that. 100%, especially in this beautiful color that it
• 1:12:55
  was like manga is really killing it with paint colors because
• 1:12:58
  they're very elegant. The red super, you know,
• 1:13:00
  striking and fun. I'm trying to think what else I
• 1:13:03
  think the depending on, you know, for the Colorado College
• 1:13:06
  student, maybe the Trail Hunter Forerunner.
• 1:13:08
  Trail Hunter is a good option. Yeah, possibly.
• 1:13:11
  Yeah, yeah, that's those are for those Boulder kids.
• 1:13:14
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Not to do like a very
• 1:13:17
  narrow use case. Let's see what else.
• 1:13:20
  I mean, any of this, you know, Subaru, Forester, Outback, any
• 1:13:24
  of those I think would be a good option.
• 1:13:25
  Used versions used out, you know, options of.
• 1:13:28
  Yeah, we're we're saying money's no object, just the car itself.
• 1:13:31
  I I didn't have a car in college so.
• 1:13:33
  No, I didn't either actually. So one that I drove at the
• 1:13:38
  event, which totally caught me by surprise, which is what's so
• 1:13:41
  fun about doing this, was the Hyundai Venue.
• 1:13:44
  I don't know if you've seen. One, that's the little one,
• 1:13:46
  right? This is.
• 1:13:47
  It looks a little bit like so many club men to me.
• 1:13:51
  Yeah, yeah. I've not driven.
• 1:13:53
  That similar. It was great.
• 1:13:56
  A little car. Yeah.
• 1:13:57
  Yeah, it was great. I think it'd be great for a
• 1:13:58
  college student because, And it has a back seat, so you could
• 1:14:01
  take four people, not for a long trip, but you could fold the
• 1:14:04
  seat down and take some stuff. And I think because it's
• 1:14:08
  lighter, it got up and moved on the highway.
• 1:14:11
  Yeah. And the design into like,
• 1:14:14
  inside, it felt like a European car.
• 1:14:17
  And so I got in and I'm like, oh, I feel like I'm on a
• 1:14:19
  European vacation. That's what was, I was the thing
• 1:14:21
  you go to Europe or something, you get like some little like
• 1:14:23
  Renault or something and it's like, yeah, it's a cheap car and
• 1:14:26
  it, you know, it doesn't feel like, but it's like done right.
• 1:14:28
  And I think that's maybe the more challenging thing.
• 1:14:31
  How do you make a, you know, a smaller car feel?
• 1:14:34
  Yeah, it felt like a treat. Which those cars do not.
• 1:14:37
  Cars in that class don't always feel like that.
• 1:14:40
  And I got out and I'm like, that was really fun and I'm really
• 1:14:42
  glad I got to try it. It's not something that I would
• 1:14:46
  typically gravitate towards because, you know, I think I
• 1:14:50
  need a little more space just with people and stuff and all
• 1:14:53
  that. But I'm like, this is a great
• 1:14:55
  car, especially if you were in a city and you wanted something
• 1:14:58
  that was pretty versatile, like good gas mileage, not going to
• 1:15:02
  break the bank. And the interior, it was like a
• 1:15:06
  2 tone kind of denemy color. It was interesting and fun and
• 1:15:11
  like, I think it would be a good option.
• 1:15:13
  And then we drove the Kia K4 hatchback and it drove really
• 1:15:19
  nicely again, like not enormous, but you could take some things,
• 1:15:23
  you could take people. I think that would be a good
• 1:15:26
  option. Yeah, I think, you know, that's
• 1:15:30
  the Rav 4 those. Are good options, but again,
• 1:15:33
  don't get your college kid a brand new car.
• 1:15:36
  No, no, no, like I. Know you got get him one, get
• 1:15:38
  him a 15,000 dollar $5000. So you're like, come on, you
• 1:15:42
  know, the kids are. So we're suggesting categories.
• 1:15:46
  Here, But yeah, let him know what it's like to be on the side
• 1:15:48
  of the road with a broken down car, you know, or a flat tight.
• 1:15:50
  I'm Jack, like a man. I don't love that idea, but.
• 1:15:53
  But no, I don't think anyone should be going and spending,
• 1:15:56
  you know? Did you post something was like
• 1:15:58
  Pepperdine or something? The cars that you saw parked or
• 1:16:01
  maybe you forwarded it from someone?
• 1:16:03
  Else I think I sent it to you. Yeah, it was a recent, like
• 1:16:06
  driving through the parking lot at Pepperdine.
• 1:16:08
  And I was like accurate. Yeah, Pepperdine.
• 1:16:11
  And I know it's Malibu and you know, but yeah.
• 1:16:14
  So of all of the cars that we have driven lately, like in the
• 1:16:17
  last few months, yeah, what would you choose?
• 1:16:20
  What is your ideal 2 car garage? No budget restriction, yeah.
• 1:16:25
  Of all the cars OK, so I've I've driven some things you haven't
• 1:16:28
  driven well that's the thing I. Would.
• 1:16:30
  Say Mercedes-Benz AMG right? So I have to dip into to that
• 1:16:37
  fleet. So everything from the CLA 45 SI
• 1:16:41
  guess it was to the top of the line.
• 1:16:44
  SL 63 E performance, I think it's called.
• 1:16:48
  Obviously, that's the you know, that's the barn burner.
• 1:16:51
  Strangely, though, I was actually drawn to the standard
• 1:16:54
  S6 SL 63, the non hybrid version.
• 1:16:57
  So you I think it's only got 600 horsepower instead of 800
• 1:17:00
  horsepower. Not nearly the torque, but it
• 1:17:01
  actually felt almost as fast and I found it more fun to drive in
• 1:17:05
  the twisties because it was just lighter, especially on the front
• 1:17:09
  end. It just it danced a little more
• 1:17:11
  easily, but the the car that really surprised me for the
• 1:17:14
  price point was the CLA 45. I don't love the way it looks
• 1:17:18
  from certain angles, other angles.
• 1:17:20
  It looks quite good. And it's the back seat is not a
• 1:17:24
  place you want to spend extended periods of time as someone who's
• 1:17:27
  64, but that's the most possible of of that crew.
• 1:17:33
  The, you know, honorable mention to the the GT63, they call them
• 1:17:39
  the coupe's. It's this 4 door sedan.
• 1:17:42
  We didn't have any GT63's the the big long 2 door this year,
• 1:17:48
  but you know, they all have the same powertrain.
• 1:17:50
  So I would have to let's go with the standard SL63 in that garage
• 1:17:54
  to answer the question. And God, you know, I know I've,
• 1:18:02
  I've, I've given conflicting views on this car, but give me
• 1:18:05
  that trail. Gonna be bad and the trail
• 1:18:09
  seeker. Depending on the day, I yeah, I,
• 1:18:12
  I, I, I long for that car. I cursed that car, that truck.
• 1:18:16
  But you know, that would be a pretty great two car solution in
• 1:18:19
  Colorado. But I'd probably plug that
• 1:18:22
  snorkel. What about you?
• 1:18:24
  Yeah. And you can pick from the the
• 1:18:27
  AMG fleet if you want something fun.
• 1:18:30
  I know. I think so, yeah.
• 1:18:33
  So what your Tell us again your favorite of the Mercedes?
• 1:18:38
  The car OK, so the CLA is the car that I happily took when
• 1:18:41
  everyone else obviously went toward the you know the the the
• 1:18:44
  SLS. I, I love the SL 63 because it's
• 1:18:50
  it does everything that the GT coupe does like the actual
• 1:18:53
  coupe, not the four door coupe does, but you have the option of
• 1:18:56
  putting the top down. It was it's very structurally
• 1:19:00
  sound, which I didn't experience in the what is it the Cle
• 1:19:05
  convertibles? I thought those.
• 1:19:06
  Had a lot of flux and stuff. The SL63 it's all the car you'd
• 1:19:10
  ever want. It's not the sports car that
• 1:19:12
  maybe like a GT3 is or something, but is a is a GT car
• 1:19:16
  pretty hard to beat. The top goes up and down in
• 1:19:19
  like, I don't know, 12 seconds and you can do it up to 37 miles
• 1:19:22
  an hour. So, you know, hopping on the
• 1:19:25
  highway, you know, until you get up to speed or around town,
• 1:19:28
  right, You know, you could put the top up and down.
• 1:19:29
  It's just a a great car. I mean, it's an expensive car, a
• 1:19:32
  couple $100,000. But I wouldn't I wouldn't even
• 1:19:35
  waste my money on the E performance or you know, and now
• 1:19:38
  I'm not factoring in like fuel economy and that kind of thing.
• 1:19:41
  I would just do the standard S63SL63.
• 1:19:44
  So there you go. You heard it here.
• 1:19:47
  Yeah. OK, so I'm afraid that mine
• 1:19:52
  might be like the perfect six car solution because I'm looking
• 1:19:55
  at this list and I'm thinking they're just so many great
• 1:20:01
  options. Like I really enjoyed the
• 1:20:03
  Genesis G80, loved the Ionic 5. I loved the Mazda CX5.
• 1:20:10
  I mean, I was given the option of trading it for something else
• 1:20:13
  and I chose to spend 4 plus more hours and several more days with
• 1:20:16
  it. Yeah, I mean and the Integra,
• 1:20:21
  because it's a manual. Oh God, I forgot.
• 1:20:24
  I know, right? I might actually forgo the
• 1:20:26
  forerunner for that Integra. Yeah, so.
• 1:20:29
  And have just as much fun or pleasure, get much get just as
• 1:20:33
  much pleasure or that Integra as the Mercedes.
• 1:20:35
  Honestly, it's just, it's a, it's a different experience,
• 1:20:38
  but. I know.
• 1:20:39
  I mean, I guess I, I don't know, I can't pick just two is the
• 1:20:45
  problem because there are so many good ones.
• 1:20:47
  OK, so I'm just going to say I'm making a new question for
• 1:20:50
  myself. So the ones that I really loved
• 1:20:52
  were the Genesis G80, the Hyundai Ionic 5, obviously Mazda
• 1:20:56
  CX5. I think that would just be a
• 1:20:59
  fantastic family car. And the one that I had was white
• 1:21:02
  with this like kind of toasted tan interior.
• 1:21:05
  So you just felt very elegant in it running around the Acura
• 1:21:11
  Integra, which I am loving, Subaru Forester Wilderness and
• 1:21:19
  let's see what else. I don't think you you've still
• 1:21:23
  reached the the budget that I my.
• 1:21:25
  I know, so keep going. Yeah, so I have plenty of room
• 1:21:28
  to play with. It's one thing you know, and
• 1:21:32
  definitely one of the Ram TRXS well.
• 1:21:37
  Now, now, you just blew the budget.
• 1:21:38
  Now I blew past, so you know who's keeping score?
• 1:21:42
  We got to drive the Kia Telluride.
• 1:21:44
  Both both of them talk. About that, I forgot to put that
• 1:21:47
  on the list. And you know, that is a
• 1:21:49
  fantastic car. Like too big.
• 1:21:51
  For me it's too big for me but drives great.
• 1:21:55
  Drives delightfully and it was interesting because we also had
• 1:21:58
  a Kia Celtos, which is a smaller SUV, at this most recent event.
• 1:22:02
  I've returned that too. I forgot about it.
• 1:22:04
  So I, and I don't know about you, I noticed a really big
• 1:22:08
  difference between the Telluride and the Celtos.
• 1:22:10
  I had driven the Telluride before at the event in May.
• 1:22:14
  And so then when I noticed that it was at this one and I hadn't
• 1:22:18
  driven the Celtos and I thought, well, I've driven the Telluride.
• 1:22:20
  I, I can guess what this is going to be like.
• 1:22:23
  It was a very different driving experience.
• 1:22:26
  I wish it had a little bit bigger engine.
• 1:22:28
  So, but again, like lovely inside, but if I had to choose
• 1:22:33
  between the two, I would choose the Telluride because I feel
• 1:22:36
  plenty of power. It's got a third row seat.
• 1:22:39
  So you know, for me, I could take kids, dogs, stuff, whatever
• 1:22:44
  like but it's not enormous. It's still easy to park so I
• 1:22:49
  would great. Handling thing I drove the the
• 1:22:51
  off road version, whatever that was called and and hustled it up
• 1:22:54
  the twisties and had a good time.
• 1:22:56
  I mean, it protested a little bit, but compared to most
• 1:23:00
  vehicles of that size, incredibly lovely driving
• 1:23:04
  dynamics, so. Yeah, we off roaded those at
• 1:23:06
  Mudfest and it did every did the whole course no problem.
• 1:23:11
  Yeah. So there's some cars we didn't
• 1:23:13
  really talk about, but this is an hour and a half, so we
• 1:23:15
  probably need to wrap this up. Some cars we, I, I think by
• 1:23:17
  their omission, we, you probably get a sense of our, our take on
• 1:23:21
  them. But but even those weren't bad.
• 1:23:25
  It's just like things have gotten so good.
• 1:23:27
  We've talked about this before. We're in sort of a golden era of
• 1:23:30
  cars and yeah, there are wonderful hyper cars and things,
• 1:23:33
  but just the regular cars are so, so good.
• 1:23:36
  I mean, we grew up with like K cars around and stuff like this
• 1:23:40
  where that was kind of like what Ford Escorts of, you know, the
• 1:23:43
  80s or whatever. I mean, we've just, we've, we've
• 1:23:46
  left so many. I was going to say the leap, the
• 1:23:48
  leaps and bounds, the advances. Yeah, yeah, the advances are
• 1:23:51
  are, yeah, yeah, I know. Kind of mind boggling so.
• 1:23:55
  Well, and you know what? OK, so I have yeah mine is
• 1:23:57
  probably like an 8 car garage but you know anyway, we're gonna
• 1:24:00
  just go with it. The magma is fun for the like
• 1:24:04
  shock value, the color and the noise like the exhaust sounds
• 1:24:08
  great. I mean, not, you know, exhaust,
• 1:24:11
  but the engine, the noise sounds great and like it was that
• 1:24:16
  bright orange colour. And again, Genesis is just doing
• 1:24:19
  amazing things with their interior.
• 1:24:20
  It's a great place to hang out. Yeah, their.
• 1:24:22
  Next generation of cars as they come out, I think is they're
• 1:24:26
  going to be game changers, you know?
• 1:24:28
  I mean, on top of what they've already done, yeah, the Lexus
• 1:24:32
  ES350 EI would absolutely have one of those.
• 1:24:37
  And let's see. And I would probably let Ryan
• 1:24:41
  pick a Mercedes for me. So just because why not?
• 1:24:45
  At this point I already. Those Mercedes AMGS deserve a
• 1:24:49
  whole other. All the actual.
• 1:24:51
  Show of their own so. Yeah, I know.
• 1:24:53
  It's yeah, yeah, that's a show. It is.
• 1:24:57
  I know it's a. Show and 1/2.
• 1:24:59
  It is clearly we have so much to say because we have this
• 1:25:03
  delightful problem where we're getting to drive all these cars
• 1:25:06
  and obviously we could keep talking.
• 1:25:08
  So we'll have to just make this a regular feature maybe, but for
• 1:25:11
  now, I think we will leave it with our multi car garages.
• 1:25:16
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• 1:25:19
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• 1:25:23
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• 1:25:26
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