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The Leadership Lie · More Than Before

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  Hey everyone, welcome back. I am so excited for my next
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  guest. She is an amazing entrepreneur,
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  has a great story and I know that you're going to absolutely
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  love her. She is from across the pond, as
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  they would say. Sarah J Pitts, welcome to
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  program. I'm so excited to have you on.
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  How are you? Well.
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  Thank you very much. I'm very well.
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  That's how are you. I am doing great.
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  You know, it's funny that the time difference change when we
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  agree to something. Sometimes I don't always think
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  it through. And so, so while it's noon over
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  there, it's 4:00 AM over here. Although I will say one of our
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  past guests for this season, he actually came in studio at 4 AMI
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  don't I don't know how I got him in here.
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  I think I bribed him with coffee.
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  Probably not. Probably wouldn't work with you.
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  No, I'm definitely tea. Offer me tea.
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  I'm think about it, but it's a long way to go just for a 4:00
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  AM meeting. It is, but I mean, the coffee is
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  really good. I've I've had one gal tell me
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  it's the best coffee she's ever had.
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  But you know, some people just say things because they want to
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  be nice. So Sarah, I'm really, I really
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  am interested about your story. Before we kind of dive into the
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  background of everything, I'm curious, where are you today?
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  Like where are you recording from?
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  Where do you live and tell us a little bit more about what
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  you're doing on the coaching side of things.
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  Yeah, so I actually just moved house, so I'm actually in my new
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  office. So yeah, I'm in the UK, as you
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  can probably tell. I live here.
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  I have lived here all my life. Yeah, I've been coaching since I
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  was 13 years old, so over 30 years now.
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  And yeah, I'm coaching solo business owners who feel like
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  stock, you know, they're just overwhelmed with everything
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  because we start the idea of starting a business and we
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  think, Oh yeah, this is really exciting.
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  I'm going to, you know, I'm going to help loads of people.
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  And then we just get, we kind of get buried in the kit in the
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  chaos, you know, in the busyness of, of doing the doing.
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  And for me, I really like holding people.
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  Like it's like pulling them back out and just going, hang on a
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  minute, let's just take a look at this and see what's really
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  important. And then off you go again.
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  It's like it's channeling the enthusiasm.
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  And that's that's really what I tend to do is direct people,
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  help them figure out what's causing them problems and just
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  go get past it quickly. It's interesting as a coach,
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  when you start working with people, most people focus on the
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  action of everything and very few people actually pull back
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  long enough to see where they want to go.
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  And a lot of people don't actually determine where they
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  want to go, which you think it'd be.
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  Oh yeah, everyone does this. No, very, very few people
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  actually think about the road that they're going on.
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  Most of us are waking up in the morning and we're just taking
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  the day as it comes and we, we allow circumstances to form who
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  we are versus saying this is who I want to be through
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  circumstances. I, I love that.
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  I love that you're doing that. I love that people are having
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  transformed lives by working with you.
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  Where did you grow up now? You grew up in the UK right
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  outside of Leeds, is that correct?
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  Yes, yeah, it's a it's a third biggest city in London, in the
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  UK. Everyone thinks that the UK is
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  just London, but there is lots of other places outside of
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  London that are very beautiful. It's very green, it's very open.
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  There's lots of countryside around and I grew up just there
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  basically. So it's kind of quiet.
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  It's just easy going. It's not the hustle and bustle
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  of city life, but yeah, just a small town.
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  Everybody knew everybody else. So I kind of struggled to figure
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  out who I am, kind of spent my life fitting in, which didn't
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  really hit me until about four years ago.
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  I was like, what am I doing with my life?
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  But yeah, so I I spent my career in the fitness industry
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  teaching, started out wanting to be a PE teacher because somebody
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  said to me, oh, you make a really good physical education
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  teacher. I was like, OK, I can do that.
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  And like people, I like sport, I like teaching.
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  Great. And then they failed me on my
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  teaching practice at university. You got you guys call it
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  college. And so I was like, well, I do
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  like teaching, but maybe I don't like teaching groups of people.
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  And so I kind of went into the personal training arena and then
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  realized very quickly that people who just wanted to tone
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  up and lose weight was really boring.
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  There's only so many ways you can say eat less, move more, you
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  know, and before my brain, just like, you know, that's, oh, come
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  on, we can do more than this. And I'm about as flexible as a
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  brick and I always have been. So injuries was like I had back
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  pain at age 22, you know, could never touch my toes.
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  And then I was manipulated badly, you know, like the
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  chiropractic clunk click kind of movement and it strained the
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  ligaments in my spine. So I had I was age 22.
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  I had hip pain, back pain, knee pain, shoulder pain, you name
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  it, foot pain. And I honestly thought I was
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  going to be bionic by the time I was 40.
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  And so I spent like 20 years learning about injuries, helping
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  people through their injuries, ended up treating people in
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  their injuries. And what I learned from that
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  was, was basically that physical pain and emotional pain are the
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  same thing, and treating them is the same.
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  For me, was always the same way because my body got so sensitive
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  to regular treatment that I couldn't have what normal people
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  would have as an intervention. So I couldn't have osteopathy, I
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  couldn't do physiotherapy, I couldn't do, you know, all of
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  those things where it is a really strong pressure on my
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  body because it just wouldn't cope.
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  And I started to develop an approach to injuries that ended
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  up rather because there's this this thing of like, if you're
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  treating a problem, the regular way of doing it is irritate the
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  problem because it will trigger the healing mechanism of the
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  body and then it will settle down and it will, it will
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  hopefully be better. Well, I was like, well, if it's
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  so, why would you want to poke it?
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  You know, why make it worse? If I'm laying on the table going
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  and I don't want you to touch me, then trying to force my body
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  to do something it doesn't want to do is really not going to
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  help. And so I started treating it
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  from the opposite way. And what I, I discovered that
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  after like COVID hit and I started lost that business and
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  because I was starting to teach personal trainers about injuries
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  and totally wrong audience, whole nother story transitioned
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  into business to help business people.
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  And what I realized what as I'm doing exactly the same in
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  business as I was doing for treating physical pain, because
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  when people are resistant to doing something, you know, I've
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  tried the push through it. I've tried the, you know, I'll
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  just get over yourself and do it anyway.
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  You know, all that kind of stuff.
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  It just didn't work for me. I don't like putting myself out
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  there. I feel very self-conscious about
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  doing certain things. And what I realized was when
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  there's a resistance to it, if you work with the resistance and
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  make people feel confident in what they're doing, resistance
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  goes away and then you can just move forward so much quicker.
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  And so now I really look at what people are doing and how are
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  they feeling about what they're doing emotionally.
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  Create some emotional stability. We create some sense of
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  confidence. We get rid of all of the doubt.
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  Well, most of it because you can't get rid of it completely.
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  And then people just they, they transform what they're doing
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  because they're not resistant to that thing anymore.
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  You know, that thing that was holding them back.
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  So it's been a, it's kind of a long way round of answering your
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  question, but that's kind of how my coaching journey evolved this
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  it started like way long ago, but and has gone through lots of
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  different iterations, but ultimately has led me to where I
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  am now. I was really interested, you
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  know, when you were talking about where you grew up.
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  In my head, I'm, I'm, I'm working to paint a picture like
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  were you, did you grow up like countryside?
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  You said a small town? What, what, like what were some
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  of the, the things that you remember from youth, like going
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  out and playing with your sister?
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  I don't know, maybe maybe you guys had that clash early on as
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  kids and didn't like each other early on.
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  But like, what was family like for you growing up?
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  What were the dynamics? Yeah, I mean, my mom and dad are
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  still together now. We, we grew up with them.
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  You know, I actually live now just around the corner from
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  where I grew up. So I, I've come back to the same
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  village that I grew up in. Yeah.
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  And because it was a village in the UK, when it's a really small
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  place, there's less than, I don't even know the figures of
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  how many people around that live here.
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  But I can walk from one end of the village to the other in 10
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  minutes. You know, it's quite small and
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  everybody seems to know everybody else.
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  It's quite close knit. There's lots of community stuff
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  going on and when I was growing up that what that meant because
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  my family had quite a well known business.
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  We had you guys call it General Motors, but we had it, we have
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  it as a Vauxhall and we had a franchise of that just on the
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  edge of the village and it was a big deal.
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  You know, they employed a lot of people in the village and a lot
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  of the family members were employed there too.
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  And so everybody knew who my family were, you know, and I
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  would meet people in the street and they'd be like, oh, you're
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  Roger's daughter, aren't you? I'm like, yeah, who are you?
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  And so, you know, because my sister's older than me when I
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  went to school, I'll. You're Louise's sister, aren't
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  you actually knowing me, you know, You know, And so they kind
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  of assumed that they knew who I was before they actually got to
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  know me. And it wasn't until I had like,
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  I think it was the like the 4th or 5th teacher at school that
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  was like, oh, you're nothing like your sister, are you?
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  No, totally not chalk and cheese, you know.
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  Yeah, it was, it was a lot of that.
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  It was a lot of people assuming that they knew me.
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  So I just, I'm anything for an easy life, you know, you just
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  don't want to rock the boat. That's like, but if that, if
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  there's a family motto, that's my family motto is don't rock
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  the boat. You know, just get on with it.
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  Keep your head down, work hard, you know, all that kind of
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  stuff. And yeah, I think that that's
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  why I spent so much of my life not really knowing who I am.
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  I'm not really sure I do now, but I've got a stronger sense of
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  that now than I did before. Well, I think, I think it's true
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  though, because a lot of the things that we learn in our
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  early childhood, especially around our parents and around
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  those who influence, we start to learn the way that they think
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  and we carry that along through our life.
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  And so we think that things are exactly that way.
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  Like what you were just saying of like, I think there's a lot
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  of people. My mother was kind of like that
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  too, in the, in the way of, you know, don't rock the boat, don't
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  make waves. And my, my mother was not one of
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  those people. She she created waves just by
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  entering the room. How did how did that perception
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  or maybe it's still the same, but do you still have that same
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  perception of don't rock the boat or, or when did that start
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  to change in your life to say, actually, you know what, maybe
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  it is a good thing to make a couple waves here and there.
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  I don't know that I ever want to make waves because I don't like
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  being the centre of attention. And I think there's a lot of
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  solo business owners that are like that.
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  We just like helping people, you know, And I figured out over the
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  course of the the four years really where my life kind of
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  went, oh, what's all this about? You know, I was like, actually,
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  I'm much better as a second in command.
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  You know, like I play a game with a lot of my clients and I'm
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  like, imagine you're on a spaceship, right?
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  So you can't get off and you've only got your close family and
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  friends with you, right? What's your job on that
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  spaceship? Like?
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  My sister is dragging the ship. There's no two ways about that.
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  She is dragging the ship. My dad is the technical guy.
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  He'll fix anything that's broken and he'll try and figure out
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  problems that don't exist yet. You know, he's, he's a proper
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  like, think about it kind of guy.
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  I'm the one who's going, right? Well, we need this and we need
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  this and we need this. So make sure you've got that and
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  you've got this. And, you know, I'm the one who's
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  navigating. I'm the one who's just making
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  sure that everybody's got what they need in order to get on
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  with what they're doing, you know, and so.
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  Where was your where was your mom in the mix of that, what?
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  What would her position have been on the rocket ship?
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  She is, she is the person that's making sure everybody's OK.
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  You know, she, she's totally, it would definitely be making sure
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  everything was clean. I'll give her that.
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  She's, she's really good at that.
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  But she she does, she makes sure that everybody's all right,
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  they're happy and what they're doing and, you know, and we're
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  going where we want to go. That's the thing.
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  So, yeah, she's she is. If there's anybody who would be
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  morphing to the background, that's my mom, right?
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  She really doesn't like being the center of attention.
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  And she will. I mean, she is the most loving,
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  giving person ever, but you know, she just doesn't like
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  conflict. She doesn't like center of
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  attention. She doesn't like any of that
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  stuff. And I think that's probably
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  where I get it from. Yeah.
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  Well, I think I think it's really interesting because as
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  you explain your family dynamic of where you guys are, where
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  everyone sits in the rocket ship.
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  You know, we were talking earlier about this before we
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  started the recording of disc and how there's different
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  personalities and how different personalities clash.
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  And, and what's really interesting about that is your
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  family was the complete picture of personalities.
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  You had people that were out going and driven.
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  You had analytical people who wanted to work on things and fix
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  things. You had outgoing individuals
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  that just wanted to shine. And then you had also
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  individuals that just wanted to sit in the background, help and
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  and just bring everyone together as a cohesive unit.
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  So it's actually kind of cool to hear that.
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  And as, as we were talking about that too, as you start to get
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  different things within your life, like disk, disk is a is a
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  beautiful thing. It's like a pair of glasses.
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  As soon as you put it on, you see all of these new intricacies
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  of life and then you can start to work with those in a
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  different way. It's really cool to see how your
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  family dynamics really probably did have a, a large effect on
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  you growing up. I I'm curious, I always love
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  hearing odd jobs. What were some of the odd jobs
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  that you remember when you were growing up?
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  As you started moving towards a a career?
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  What were some of the odd things that you remember doing growing
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  up? My first paid job was what I
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  call a washer opera. So I worked in the UK fish and
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  chip restaurants are, you know, like that's the, it's a classic
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  take away fish and chips. And I washed up in the back.
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  So I would wash out the greasy pots were all the chip fat and
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  all the tea pots and all the rest of it.
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  I did a paper round. So I deliver newspapers to
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  people. It's not like it is in the US
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  where they wrap it in plastic and they throw it on the thing.
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  You have to put it in the letterbox.
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  You have to actually walk up to the letterbox.
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  Put it in. There's more steps.
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  Yeah. Literally more steps.
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  Yeah, literally. Sometimes.
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  Yeah. What else did I do?
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  I worked in a cheese shop. I worked in a toy shop.
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  You said something, you said something interesting.
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  The first job you were paid for, what were What were the jobs
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  that you weren't paid for? Well, you know, like.
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  We were those just like household things.
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  Yeah, so we'd get pocket money for doing things around the
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  house, you know, like washing up or washing the car or, you know,
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  whatever it was. But my first outside of the
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  house paid for a job, should I say?
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  OK. I was like, wait a second, were
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  you, were you swindled as a child?
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  Get some child labour in there. So and, and who were some of
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  your early on influences? I know that your parents were
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  big influences. I if I remember correctly, you
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  you also said that one of your early influences was your
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  physical education teacher. I grew up being quite a tomboy,
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  what I call a tomboy. So I really enjoyed all doing
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  all the boys things and kicking footballs around, playing tennis
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  and cricket, you know, all of all of the traditionally
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  considered to be boys sports. And because my primary school,
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  So we in this in the UK, we have primary school, which is 4:00 to
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  11:00. And then we have secondary
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  school, which is 11 to 18. So we don't have middle school,
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  junior high, any of that stuff. It's all, you know, just two
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  schools basically. So when I was growing up in my
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  primary school, so age 4 to 11, and there was three classes in
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  my whole school and there was 30 kids in each class.
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  So in my entire school there was 90 kids.
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  So we all did whatever anybody else was doing.
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  There wasn't enough people to have, oh, a boys team and a
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  girls team. It was well, everybody just join
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  in, you know. So it was a foreign concept to
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  me. When I went to my secondary
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  school, it was 1000 kids, you know, in like 6 different
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  classes per year group. I was like, Oh my God, this is
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  huge and. So many people.
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  Yeah, but the boys didn't want me to play and I didn't really
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  fit in with the girls because they all had their group of
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  friends from different schools. And there was me and two other
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  kids that came from my school to the high school.
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  And I was like, OK, so sport was always my thing.
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  I really enjoyed running about, chasing a ball and do.
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  You have a specific sport in secondary.
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  No, I played. I played cricket, I was
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  instrumental in getting girls rugby into the school.
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  Yeah, yeah. So I played rounders, yeah.
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  Also rounders for us is very similar to softball for you.
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  So obviously it's with the rounders.
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  You play with a smaller ball and a smaller bat.
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  Yeah. Yeah, same, same kind of thing.
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  But yeah, my, my physical education teachers allowed me to
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  spend my lunch times and breaks in, in school with them helping
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  the kids who were younger than me.
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  So it was kind of my safe place really.
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  I didn't have to pretend to fit in with any of the other kids.
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  I didn't have to go and sit with the girls who were all laughing
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  and joking about stuff I didn't care about, you know, and it
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  didn't have to feel rejected from the boys not wanting me to
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  play with them. So I just kind of found my
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  sanctuary with the, with the in a way.
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  And I was just helping them. So that was one of the reasons.
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  But also they, they didn't judge me, you know, they didn't try
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  and make me into something I wasn't.
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  I was just helping them. They were allowing me to be
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  there and just be me, really. And then one of them became my
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  form teacher in the general classroom on a morning when
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  you're taking the register and all that kind of stuff.
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  So yeah, he was quite instrumental in in my wanting to
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  be a physical education teacher, really.
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  So in your second day and when you were in secondary, that was
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  really when you started to fall in love with the idea of
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  instruction and teaching and coaching.
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  So. So when you went from secondary
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  to university, what what made you choose to go more the
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  physical education round? It was just something that I I'd
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  always wanted to do. And I think I was 14 when
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  somebody said to me you'd make a really good physical education
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  teacher. I was like, well, I can't think
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  of anything better to do. It ticks all the boxes.
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  So that sounds good to me. I wanted to be a vet.
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  And then I realized you had to be really smart.
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  And I'm like, I'm not. And then and then it went to.
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  Kill the animals. Yeah, yeah.
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  And then it went and did a two week work experience in a
• 20:01
  veterinary practice. I was like, Nope, I'm not doing
• 20:03
  this. So I was like, what do I do, you
• 20:06
  know, and that. I think if nobody had said to me
• 20:10
  about, about being a teacher or anything like that, I would have
• 20:13
  had no clue what I wanted to do when I left school.
• 20:17
  So, and I think that would have been really hard.
• 20:19
  And I feel really, I really feel for the people who are in that
• 20:22
  situation now, you know, when they don't know what they want
• 20:25
  to do because it's, it's an intimidating place to be.
• 20:30
  So, So what happened when you were at university?
• 20:33
  Because things didn't go exactly the way that you planned when
• 20:37
  you were going through university, correct?
• 20:40
  Yeah, so I got to uni and I was, everybody was being interviewed
• 20:45
  for the place at university and everybody was coming out of
• 20:48
  their interview like, oh, they've been asking me about the
• 20:51
  national curriculum, which is like a teaching stuff.
• 20:53
  Nobody had ever even shown me a national curriculum.
• 20:55
  I don't even know what it is. So when I got into my interview,
• 20:58
  they're asking me why I chose English over maths or the other
• 21:02
  way round. And I was like, OK, so these are
• 21:05
  really easy questions. I was like, yeah, this is good.
• 21:08
  And in my first year, everybody's kind of gets a, you
• 21:11
  know, an easy ride because everybody's like getting into
• 21:14
  being at university and getting into the swing of things.
• 21:17
  And then on my second year teaching practice.
• 21:19
  So we had to go into school and teach for six weeks.
• 21:23
  So my, my college degree, what you would say, and my university
• 21:27
  degree was four years because it was interspersed with teaching
• 21:30
  practices of like 6 weeks. I had one in my first year and
• 21:35
  then another one in my second year.
• 21:36
  And I had to repeat my one in my second year because they said,
• 21:40
  you know, we're not seeing enough of what we need to see
• 21:43
  from a teaching perspective, you know, and they've put me in a
• 21:47
  school where I, I'd never played the sport that they were asking
• 21:51
  me to teach. And they, they gave me a group
• 21:54
  of girls who were national champions in this sport to
• 21:58
  teach. And it was netball.
• 21:59
  And I'm like, I don't understand why I can't move my feet when
• 22:02
  I've got the ball and why I can't throw it from one end of
• 22:05
  the court to the other. If I can, why can't I do that
• 22:08
  stupid game? So they were like, actually, no,
• 22:13
  you know, they my first, my first experience with those
• 22:17
  girls was because the way out, we'd always done it at school
• 22:21
  was like one team got bibs, you know, like a coloured bib and
• 22:25
  the other team didn't. So I went into this netball
• 22:29
  class going right, you this group get orange bibs and you
• 22:34
  guys don't bother and they'll be like, but miss, how do we know
• 22:37
  which which position we're going to play?
• 22:40
  Why? OK, this is not as easy as I was
• 22:46
  hoping. Yeah.
• 22:47
  So they they failed me. They asked me to repeat the
• 22:50
  practice. And then when they they said I
• 22:53
  don't think teaching is for you. OK, well, I'm glad I didn't
• 22:57
  listen to that because I really love teaching.
• 23:02
  I'm not very good at teaching kids who don't want to be there
• 23:06
  and groups of kids that don't want to be there I'm not very
• 23:09
  good at. Like if multitasking, say in the
• 23:12
  book, if multitasking is a gene, it missed me out, right?
• 23:15
  Like there's no such thing in my brain as multitasking.
• 23:18
  I can't do two things at once. So if I've got a group of kids
• 23:22
  and I'm focusing on one group doing this and another group
• 23:25
  doing that, I'm totally ignoring that group, just focusing on
• 23:28
  this group. So I find one to one much
• 23:31
  easier. And so when they said to me, I
• 23:34
  don't think teachings for you, I was like, actually, I do like
• 23:36
  teaching, but what do I like about it, you know, And that
• 23:39
  that's what led me into personal training and the whole injury
• 23:42
  side of things. So.
• 23:43
  Interesting, So how long were you doing personal training and
• 23:47
  injury prevention? Oh, about 20 years.
• 23:52
  Wow. What were what were some of the
• 23:54
  like? I mean, it's fascinating to me
• 23:56
  because when you find yourself in a career doing something like
• 24:00
  that, you really do throw yourself into it.
• 24:02
  And sometimes you wake up one day and you go, how in the world
• 24:06
  did I get here? And then sometimes you wake up
• 24:09
  one day and it's not there and you say, well, how in the world
• 24:12
  did I get here for you? What was what was the shift that
• 24:17
  happened for you that kind of altered your world?
• 24:20
  Right? Like I love the Crucible moments
• 24:22
  of people's lives. When life heats up and things
• 24:26
  start to change and it seems like it's out of control.
• 24:28
  There's an opportunity where you can either make as, as I've been
• 24:32
  hearing a lot recently, you can make lemons or lemonade out of
• 24:35
  lemons. What was the situation that was
• 24:37
  sour for you and how did you make that into something
• 24:42
  amazing? Well, like I said before, I'm
• 24:48
  starting to develop when it Fast forward a few years through the
• 24:53
  personal training into the sports injury treatment.
• 24:57
  How I got people to stop leaping around and start laying on the
• 24:59
  table in their sessions, I've no idea, but you know they did, so
• 25:03
  thank you for that. The baseball, The baseball bat
• 25:06
  helped a lot. Yeah, so I switched from the
• 25:10
  from the personal training into the sports injury treatment full
• 25:13
  time. And once I started developing
• 25:16
  the movements and creating these movements to help people do
• 25:20
  their own treatments at home, I started putting it online.
• 25:24
  And then people would come back to me and they were, Oh, well,
• 25:28
  I, I got that pain. But I did those exercises you
• 25:30
  gave me and it went away again. And I was like, so maybe if you
• 25:34
  did the exercise in the 1st place, the pain wouldn't come.
• 25:38
  So that's when I realized that I could teach personal trainers
• 25:41
  and fitness coaches and sports coaches how to use these
• 25:45
  movements in their warm ups and their cooldowns and as part of
• 25:48
  what they're doing already. And I spent probably about eight
• 25:53
  years doing that, trying to make that business work.
• 25:57
  I got my courses approved internationally by the fitness
• 26:00
  industry. I wrote a selling book.
• 26:03
  You know, I did all a lot of things to try and gain the
• 26:08
  credibility for what I was doing.
• 26:10
  But the industry itself was so resistant to the people in the
• 26:14
  industry was so resistant to what I was doing because it went
• 26:17
  against everything that the fitness industry was saying.
• 26:21
  So when COVID hit, I just about made it profitable.
• 26:29
  And then the personal trainers lost their businesses overnight.
• 26:32
  And so it all just vanished. And I'm like, well, I've spent
• 26:37
  my whole life from when I was 13 right to when I was, I don't
• 26:42
  know, 30-40, whatever. And who am I now?
• 26:47
  All that has gone, what do I do? Who am I, where, what am I
• 26:50
  doing? Why am I doing it?
• 26:52
  You know, what do I really want? And it's, I fortunately, I was
• 26:57
  in a position where somebody offered me a paid job, like to,
• 27:01
  to go and work with them. And it gave me the, the brain
• 27:04
  space. It gave me the financial cushion
• 27:07
  to really have a think about it and not really rush any of that.
• 27:11
  And so this me talking to you now is like an emergence of from
• 27:17
  that, you know, and shifting. I've totally forgotten what the
• 27:21
  question is now, but I'm totally that that point of losing
• 27:26
  everything. And it was almost like I lost my
• 27:29
  identity that I created for myself, but then realized that
• 27:33
  it wasn't an identity that I actually wanted.
• 27:37
  And so it I spent the next couple of years, 3-4 years
• 27:41
  trying to figure out who am I? What am I doing?
• 27:45
  What do I really love about me? What do I really love about
• 27:51
  helping other people? You know, what do I care about?
• 27:54
  And I care about a lot of things.
• 27:56
  And it was really difficult to pin, you know, pin it down And I
• 28:00
  had to, I went through a lot of the disk and, you know, I'm
• 28:04
  massive introvert and I had to learn all about that before
• 28:07
  moving on to the next bit about me and, and really getting to
• 28:10
  know and like myself. And it's really interesting
• 28:14
  because you know, you, you hear people say, oh, you know, in
• 28:17
  business that people need to know, like and trust you.
• 28:20
  But if you don't know, like and trust yourself.
• 28:24
  And that's what I figured out. I was like, actually, I don't
• 28:26
  even like myself. I don't know myself.
• 28:30
  How am I supposed to put myself out there for anybody else to
• 28:33
  know and like if I don't even know what that is?
• 28:37
  What was that? What was that journey like?
• 28:39
  Because I love that you say that because I think it's true.
• 28:42
  A lot of people have heard that people won't work with you until
• 28:45
  they know, like and trust you. But there really is this piece
• 28:48
  of do you know, you, do you like you, do you trust you?
• 28:53
  And it's not an overnight thing where you know, you wake up all
• 28:56
  of a sudden one morning, you know, after, you know, going
• 28:59
  through all of the different things of going through
• 29:01
  university and school and, and getting a job and, and working a
• 29:05
  career. It's not like one day you wake
• 29:07
  up and you go, oh, look, I understand who I am.
• 29:08
  There's a, there's a lot of work that goes in to that.
• 29:12
  What were some of the practices that you had to put in place in
• 29:16
  order to really understand who you are?
• 29:18
  Because I, I'm always fascinated by that because there's a lot of
• 29:20
  different ways to do it. Not every way is the best way
• 29:23
  for one person. And so, you know, if someone's
• 29:26
  listening right now and they say, man, I wonder, I wonder how
• 29:28
  I could do that. How I, I feel like I've been in
• 29:31
  my job. I feel like I've been doing this
• 29:33
  a long time and I, I don't feel like I know who I am.
• 29:35
  I don't think I trust myself. I don't.
• 29:37
  I think that I have valued myself over the years.
• 29:40
  What were some of the practices and what were some of the
• 29:43
  functional things that you did to start to understand who you
• 29:46
  really were and to fall in love with who you were?
• 29:50
  Yeah, I think first of all, I started with what other people
• 29:54
  used to tease me about when I was growing up, you know, So
• 29:58
  I've always been sensible, Sarah.
• 30:00
  It was always the thing because I, we spoke before about me
• 30:04
  being around adults a lot. So, you know, when kids are
• 30:08
  playing imaginary games, I just, I just, I still don't even
• 30:11
  understand it now, you know, when like my partner Pete, he's
• 30:14
  got grandkids and like, when they were little, you know,
• 30:17
  they're like, oh, play this imaginary tea game with me.
• 30:19
  I'm like, do I have to? Yeah.
• 30:23
  I mean, I just don't relate to that kind of stuff.
• 30:26
  And I really struggled with that growing up.
• 30:28
  So I was, I was teased quite a lot about being sensible.
• 30:31
  Sarah. So you've seen these cartoon
• 30:32
  characters behind me. That one in the middle is Sensei
• 30:37
  Sarah. And that's me.
• 30:39
  Because I'm, you know, people say, you know, oh, you're so
• 30:42
  insightful and you, you, you. So they, they trust what I say
• 30:47
  because I am sensible, because I'm reliable, because I am all
• 30:50
  of these things that people used to use against me.
• 30:55
  And I started to embrace that, and I really started to think of
• 30:59
  that being a positive thing. And making the cartoon
• 31:02
  characters was my way of just having a bit of fun about it.
• 31:05
  So that, you know, because everybody's so sensible about
• 31:09
  business and it's so serious. And oh, the fitness industry,
• 31:13
  trying to have a joke with the fitness industry was just
• 31:16
  impossible. OK, so but that's me that you
• 31:22
  know, I quite like simple, light hearted, bright colours
• 31:26
  cartoons. You know, one of my favorite
• 31:28
  films is Kung Fu Panda. I feel like I am Kung Fu Panda.
• 31:34
  I just bumble my way through life and kind of end up doing
• 31:37
  something that's quite fun. And you know, I'm reasonable at
• 31:40
  it, you know, and I think a lot of people relate to that.
• 31:44
  So I kind of had to do that. And I also tried to find books
• 31:50
  and communities of people who are similar to me.
• 31:55
  So I know I'm listening, you know, listening to people that I
• 31:58
  really love, like Brené Brown and Oprah Winfrey and people
• 32:01
  like that who, you know, talk about really powerful issues and
• 32:07
  really exploring people that they'd had on their podcast.
• 32:10
  There was a lady called Jen Graniman who was on Brene
• 32:13
  Brown's podcast, and she wrote The Secret Lives of Introverts.
• 32:18
  And so I was like, oh, that sounds like me.
• 32:20
  I really need to read this. And so I started reading that
• 32:24
  kind of thing. I was like, oh, so maybe I'm an
• 32:26
  introvert and maybe this and maybe that.
• 32:27
  And, and every time I went to explore a new area, it all
• 32:31
  started to kind of make sense. And it all started to filter
• 32:34
  through and, and I really just, it wasn't like you said, it
• 32:37
  wasn't like 1 moment I woke up and went, oh wow, am I amazing?
• 32:42
  It was actually I'm, I'm all right, I'm OK.
• 32:46
  I can, you know, I like myself. I like these things about me
• 32:50
  that maybe I've always hidden before, you know, because it
• 32:54
  didn't suit the audience or the group or the people that I was
• 32:57
  with because I was fitting in. So when I put my business
• 33:01
  online, when I choose to put, you know, to do, I'm starting
• 33:04
  from scratch. I could choose anything.
• 33:06
  My business, I was like, well, and I can find people who like
• 33:12
  me for being me, not I don't have to fit in with anyone.
• 33:16
  And that was that was quite free.
• 33:18
  Quite intimidating, but quite free.
• 33:20
  Well, I love what you say about that because there's this,
• 33:24
  there's a playful curiosity about life.
• 33:28
  And when we do get into career, especially if you've gone
• 33:32
  through, you know, a four year university or school, a lot of
• 33:36
  people become serious all of a sudden.
• 33:40
  And life is so serious and we take things so seriously as
• 33:44
  adults are just this way. They lose their way at some
• 33:48
  point in life because someone said you need to grow up.
• 33:50
  You need to make sure that you know you're responsible.
• 33:53
  And yes, you do have to be responsible to an extent.
• 33:55
  You have to pay your bills. You got to make some money
• 33:57
  somewhere. But there is something about
• 34:00
  this idea of playful curiosity, being playful in every aspect of
• 34:05
  your life, actually enjoying life.
• 34:08
  Have you always been like, playful, you know, growing up?
• 34:12
  I mean, I know you said that you were serious, that you always
• 34:16
  liked interacting with the adults.
• 34:18
  But was there also like, a playful curiosity to how you
• 34:21
  lived life and just really being fascinating and interested in
• 34:25
  different things? Like it seems like things you
• 34:28
  were drawn to or things that you were really playfully curious
• 34:31
  about, whether that was physical education or whether that was
• 34:35
  going into physical therapy. It seems like you had this,
• 34:39
  maybe it wasn't intentional, but it was something innately in you
• 34:43
  that just drew you out and said, oh, I'm fascinated by that.
• 34:46
  I'm I want to learn more about that.
• 34:47
  I want to have fun with that. Is that does that strike a chord
• 34:51
  with you? I don't know if I would have
• 34:53
  used the word fun. I was why has been my favorite
• 35:00
  word since I was four years old. You know, I remember driving my
• 35:03
  dad to the point he's like, if you say why one more time, but
• 35:07
  why? So I've always been curious
• 35:11
  about stuff and I think I've been drawn into areas of life
• 35:17
  where I get to explore the boundaries.
• 35:20
  I get to see where things go, you know, and the movement stuff
• 35:25
  that I was doing was a huge part of that because nobody, I wasn't
• 35:29
  following a specific method. I was exploring what the bodies
• 35:33
  could do, what they couldn't do, and why they couldn't do it.
• 35:37
  So I didn't really accept, oh, well, if I can't move my arm
• 35:41
  that way, then I just can't move it, which is what a lot of
• 35:45
  people do. It's like, Oh, well, if it won't
• 35:47
  go that way, then maybe it'll go that way or maybe it'll go that
• 35:50
  way and let's just have a play with it and see, You know, it's
• 35:54
  why it got nicknamed Wiggling because I would be like, oh, put
• 35:58
  your body in this position, you know, just have a bit of a
• 36:00
  wiggle and you know, just move around.
• 36:01
  Isn't you can't move wrong. You're not going to make it
• 36:04
  worse. And I think that takes a lot of
• 36:07
  pressure off people, especially when they're reluctant to move
• 36:11
  something because it's hurt. It's going to hurt them.
• 36:13
  You know, they anticipate that pain.
• 36:14
  I know that feeling well for psyching yourself up to turn
• 36:17
  over in bed or, you know, bend over to put your socks on or
• 36:19
  something like that. It's oh, it's horrible.
• 36:21
  I won't wish it on anybody. But when you can take that away,
• 36:26
  it'd be like, OK, so if you can't move that way because it
• 36:28
  hurt, where can you move to? And that's really interesting to
• 36:33
  me. That's what I find fun is
• 36:35
  exploring those things that people, it just takes away all
• 36:39
  of the regular conventional way of thinking about it.
• 36:42
  So yeah, I suppose that's, it's never really occurred to me
• 36:45
  before, but yeah, I think that's what I've been doing is just
• 36:49
  taking an unconventional approach.
• 36:51
  Well, it's interesting because even just looking at you like
• 36:54
  your face lights up when you talk about that, when it, you
• 36:58
  know, the wiggling of like just trying to trying to not even
• 37:02
  necessarily make sense of things, but to find a different
• 37:06
  way, right? Because growing up, we're told
• 37:09
  this is what you need to do. This is how you should be.
• 37:12
  And it really isn't until you understand who you are and who
• 37:17
  you were created to be. When you understand those things
• 37:20
  are great. I think it was Jim Rohn that
• 37:22
  said the greatest day in your life is the day that you
• 37:24
  discover why you were made. And I love that.
• 37:30
  And I've always taken it one step further.
• 37:31
  It's, it's not just why you were created to be that way, but then
• 37:35
  you start living the way you were created to.
• 37:37
  Because I think some of us, there's something deep down
• 37:40
  inside of us that says, Hey, we should go do this.
• 37:43
  We should try this over here. I was just talking to a woman.
• 37:46
  It wasn't too long ago, maybe a couple months ago.
• 37:49
  And one of her dreams is to have a yarn business, but she doesn't
• 37:53
  want to shop. She wants, she wants to have it
• 37:55
  in the back of a trailer that she can pull up to different
• 37:59
  places and she'll have all this yarn inside of it.
• 38:01
  And then people can come and she can teach them to crochet or she
• 38:04
  can teach them to knit. She's just, it's something that
• 38:07
  she absolutely loves. And as we started to talk about
• 38:10
  it, you see her face light up and that I see that same exact
• 38:15
  thing with you of of you light up when you talk about this idea
• 38:19
  of wiggling, of finding the things that bring you joy.
• 38:24
  You know, the things that bring you joy may not be the same
• 38:26
  things that bring me joy. And that's completely fine.
• 38:30
  But there is a piece that as you start living that out life all
• 38:34
  of a sudden really does become enjoyable.
• 38:37
  Now you said you said sensei Sarah, I'm curious, did you do
• 38:42
  martial arts in in your background?
• 38:44
  What what was that? I'm fascinated by that.
• 38:47
  It's a martial art that's not very well known.
• 38:48
  It's called Tang Pseudo and it sounds.
• 38:51
  It sounds and is very similar to Taekwondo, but there's no
• 38:54
  contact, which sounds completely ridiculous for a martial art.
• 38:58
  But what I have taken away from that is that you have more
• 39:02
  control when you don't hit something than when you do.
• 39:06
  So Taekwondo is all about the strike and making that strike
• 39:09
  register on pads and things like that.
• 39:12
  But those people used to come to our martial arts and they
• 39:15
  terrified me because they had no control.
• 39:17
  So they put a kick that went whizzing past your nose, but if
• 39:20
  you moved, they couldn't stop. Whereas the Tang pseudo approach
• 39:26
  is to go this close and stop. So I could put a speedy kick
• 39:31
  around and just tap your forehead here.
• 39:33
  In fact, I did that once. Shouldn't have tapped his
• 39:36
  forehead or had the control to stop enough to just tap his
• 39:39
  forehead. So yeah.
• 39:42
  Some people you want to give them just a little bit more than
• 39:44
  just a tab just to make sure that they understand.
• 39:47
  I'm still I, I could still do something if I needed to.
• 39:50
  That's funny because I'm actually, I've actually heard of
• 39:54
  Tang Sudo. So that's really cool that you
• 39:56
  do that. You said that you're the the
• 39:58
  scaredest black belt that you'll ever meet.
• 40:00
  Oh, I'm a scared black belt, Yeah.
• 40:02
  Totally what? What is that?
• 40:04
  Well, if somebody's going to pick on me, I'm going to run
• 40:07
  away. I don't, you know, I will stand
• 40:09
  and fight if I have to, but I would much rather run away.
• 40:14
  Yeah. So.
• 40:15
  Why is that? I just have never liked
• 40:19
  conflict. You know, I if why noticed
• 40:25
  because during the time when my, I lost my business, I was so
• 40:31
  emotionally burned out, but I couldn't the energy of people
• 40:36
  who were I'm in a bad mood or wanted something from me or I
• 40:43
  just, I read energy in people. That's how I was treating sports
• 40:46
  injury and I just couldn't cope anymore with that energetic
• 40:52
  overwhelm and that conflict and that aggression and all that
• 40:57
  just is a reflection of that. And so I just don't enjoy being
• 41:02
  around that energy. So if somebody's coming up me
• 41:05
  with aggression, then I will. I will just leave because I
• 41:09
  can't. I can't do that anymore.
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  That's interesting. So as you look back and and you
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  know you were talking recently about this, the relationship
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  with your sister, your sister is what, like you, You don't want
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  to make waves. Your sister's the one that makes
• 41:23
  waves. You don't want conflict.
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  She's the one that loves conflict, right?
• 41:27
  She starts conflict. No, because there's no I
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  wouldn't, I wouldn't do that. She, she likes to explore the
• 41:32
  boundaries, but she, she runs at the boundaries rather than just
• 41:36
  gently prodding them, you know, so she used to when she was a
• 41:39
  kid. She's very different now, but
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  yeah. So, so I'm curious, I'm curious
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  how has your relationship with your sister Louisa, how is that?
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  How is that morphed and changed? Because that's interesting to me
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  just in terms of the relationships, because some
• 41:54
  people, you know, we look at our past relationships.
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  So like this last weekend, I was just at one of my class
• 42:00
  reunions. So everyone from our, our
• 42:03
  secondary school or my high school got back together and we
• 42:06
  got to see each other. And there was one particular
• 42:08
  person who I wasn't looking forward to seeing.
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  I saw his name on the list. I was like, I don't really like
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  this guy. We didn't get along back then.
• 42:15
  And there were, there was other history within that.
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  But then I started to talk to him and there was an
• 42:20
  understanding. Then I got to see and I was
• 42:24
  like, oh, this is how you're wired.
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  This is who you are. I misunderstood who you are.
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  And so I can value who you are now.
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  In fact, he's changed a lot even since those days.
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  I'm curious, how has understanding helped to morph
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  that relationship between you and your sister today?
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  And how has that made you a different person?
• 42:48
  This is really interesting actually, because the same time
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  I was going through what I went through with the business,
• 42:54
  Louise was going through having two kids who are like me and
• 43:00
  her. So she could see through them
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  the relationship that we had growing up.
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  And I was starting to learn about disc and starting to learn
• 43:10
  about different communication styles.
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  And so it's kind of like not, but we didn't do it at the same
• 43:15
  time, but it was very similar, very close together.
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  She started to understand how her communication was impacting
• 43:23
  her kids and I started to understand how people were
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  commute had been communicating with me and my perception of
• 43:30
  them when I was growing up. So it kind of happened at the
• 43:33
  same time. And so we started to be a bit
• 43:36
  more open minded about each other, a bit more respectful
• 43:41
  about how the other was thinking and communicating and all that
• 43:44
  kind of stuff. And we kind of did that at the
• 43:46
  same time. So it's been really interesting
• 43:49
  talking to her about the whole thing.
• 43:51
  I think we can be a lot more open now than we could before.
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  So yeah, I mean, we'll always be different people.
• 43:56
  And I think now we've got to a level of communication where we
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  understand where the other is coming from most of the time.
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  And it's it's much more forgiving.
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  It's a lot. It's a lot gentler.
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  It's a lot easier to to be around her.
• 44:12
  I love that. Yeah.
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  It's interesting. As you start growing up and you
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  get different things. I've always said that we, we
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  kind of have backpacks. As we go through life, we put
• 44:21
  things in our backpack. It gets heavier.
• 44:23
  The relationships that we've had that, you know, sometimes the
• 44:26
  stupid mistakes that we've made, we, we kind of tucked those away
• 44:29
  in our backpack and it gets heavier and heavier and heavier
• 44:32
  until one point you just realize you can't walk anymore and you
• 44:35
  have to start unloading some of those things, letting things go,
• 44:38
  whether that's, you know, an argument you had with someone a
• 44:40
  long time ago or, you know, it was funny that this last weekend
• 44:44
  when I was talking with some of my old classmates, I said, oh,
• 44:47
  yeah, I remember this one guy, he owed me $20.
• 44:50
  He still owes me $20.00. But, but, but I, I let that go.
• 44:55
  And it's funny because in the back of my head, even though I
• 44:58
  joke about that, every time this person's name shows up in my
• 45:03
  head, I immediately think this guy owes me $20.
• 45:07
  Even though I've said he doesn't owe me $20.00.
• 45:09
  I still think I am like he's still, I remember that I gave
• 45:12
  him the $20 and he said he was going to be pay me back.
• 45:14
  And he never did it. And but we carry that.
• 45:17
  And it's that this mental space that gets taken up inside of our
• 45:20
  minds, recording some of those injuries, mental injuries that
• 45:25
  we've, that we've really taken blows from over the years.
• 45:29
  You know, as you look back on your life, what's the what is
• 45:33
  the silver lining that you've seen of, of who is Sarah that
• 45:38
  you know, if someone were to come up to you and and meet you
• 45:41
  on the street, what would be the one thing that you would want
• 45:46
  people to know and understand about you?
• 45:51
  That's a really difficult question.
• 45:54
  I have heard many times over the years that people feel like I'm
• 46:00
  a safe space. So when I was treating injuries,
• 46:03
  when I'm helping business owners now, they feel like I'm that
• 46:08
  safe place where they can come and just explain everything or
• 46:12
  say what they need to say and get things done.
• 46:14
  So I suppose I I that I really, really appreciate that it
• 46:21
  touches my soul when people say that it's, it's like if I had to
• 46:24
  be known for anything, then that that would probably be it.
• 46:29
  I love that. And it's it is so important to
• 46:32
  have that, that space. There are people like yourself.
• 46:37
  I can relate with that also that, you know, my wife and I
• 46:40
  will be sitting in a room with someone that we've just met and
• 46:43
  all of a sudden they're pouring out their story.
• 46:45
  They're telling me things that they've never told anyone
• 46:47
  before. And, and she just looks at me.
• 46:50
  What in the world did you do? Like how, how do you do this?
• 46:54
  This always happens. People are always telling you
• 46:56
  about all these intimate things about their life.
• 46:59
  Like, I don't understand this. I, I don't know, there, there is
• 47:02
  something about that space that when you can create a safe space
• 47:06
  for people just to be who they were created to be, then I think
• 47:10
  that's where the transformation starts to happen.
• 47:12
  When we can be free to explore different aspects of our
• 47:16
  personality, free to explore some of the dreams that maybe
• 47:20
  we've let go over the years. So I absolutely love that.
• 47:23
  I think that's an incredible answer.
• 47:24
  And I think that it was a lot easier than maybe, maybe there
• 47:27
  was a lot of work to get up to that answer that you've done in
• 47:31
  the past. But I, I love the answer, Sarah,
• 47:34
  I've loved having you on the program, getting to know your
• 47:37
  story, getting to know you. I have one more question for you
• 47:40
  here. But before we jump into that
• 47:42
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• 48:08
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• 48:18
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• 48:20
  we all need to learn how to stop doing it all because we, we try
• 48:24
  to do too much in life. And when we do too much, we get
• 48:27
  spread thin and then we get frustrated with life of why
• 48:30
  don't we have the capacity to do the things that we really love?
• 48:34
  It's because we don't have the ability to focus.
• 48:36
  Like she was saying earlier, you can't multitask.
• 48:39
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• 49:01
  Sarah, this conversation has been so wonderful.
• 49:04
  It's been so rich. I want to ask you a question.
• 49:07
  I haven't asked anyone yet on the show, which is what does it
• 49:11
  mean to you to be more than before?
• 49:14
  What what has your journey taught you in life?
• 49:18
  That if there was one lesson that could help one of the
• 49:22
  listeners, someone listening in today that want to be more than
• 49:26
  they've been in the past, what would that one lesson be that
• 49:28
  would encourage them to lean in to who they're created to be?
• 49:36
  I think clarity, you can do more, but you can't be more
• 49:43
  until you get clear on who that is and where that's where you're
• 49:47
  going and you know what your foundations are.
• 49:50
  And I think everything is the same in business.
• 49:53
  It's the same in life. Things start to go wrong when
• 49:56
  your foundations are not clear. So yeah, I think being more than
• 50:02
  before is getting clear on your foundations and taking action.
• 50:09
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