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Season Two Finale: Movie Memory Machine's Wild Wrap-Up · Movie Memory Machine

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  Somewhere beyond the recesses of time and space, two podcasters are set adrift in a machine, picking up transmissions of movies that are forgotten, but not gone.
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  Welcome to Movie Memory Machine, the only podcast about forgotten movies that has finished season two!
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  Woo! Woo! Spring break! Spring break! Woo!
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  We are your hosts, Truman Capps and Landon Solano. Truman Capps, it's good to see you, as always.
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  Landon Solano, it's good to be seen by you, and I'm picturing us right now on like a Mardi Gras float or something, just chucking beads to listeners or even just drunk bystanders, because it's a very celebratory time aboard the machine.
• 0:56
  I don't know if I ever told you, one of my favorite birthday memories is I was in Florida and was in the car, one of my least favorite things, being driven around by my dad, and we were in St. Petersburg, and my dad got lost and took a wrong turn and ended up inside a parade for Pride Week.
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  That's a Clark Griswold is your dad moment, you know?
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  I know!
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  So, I mean, did you guys, were you celebrated by the crowd? Did everyone think you guys were so camp? Were you serving?
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  I like to think they were celebrating, not me, but just like, your experience, good for you, you're having a birthday moment, and we're all happy that you get to have this.
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  They're all saying, you two straight people are such allies driving into the middle of this Pride parade.
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  Yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to turn Pride Week into a me thing, but yeah, I don't know, just one of my favorite memories.
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  If there's any day that's about personal pride, it is one's birthday, but this isn't the podcast's birthday, this is the end of the podcast season.
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  Which I guess is kind of like a birthday.
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  Kind of like a birthday.
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  If you can't tell, we're at the end of the season, baby. Shoes off, feet on the table, I am relaxing.
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  Truman, I'm channeling my inner McConaughey.
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  And we're just having some boat adventures, even though that's more of a season one deal, baby.
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  Yeah, but I could take that with me whenever I feel the stress creeping up my back.
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  Yeah, you know, every good thing that's ever happened in my life happened on a podcast, so, you know, that's just how we do.
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  Yeah, so this week, The Machine has made us wrap up season two. Truman, do you want to give us a synopsis as to what is about to happen in this episode?
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  You know, Landon and I are going to engage in one of our favorite activities, which is making a lot of references to other episodes of podcasts we've recorded.
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  Landon, should we get started? We're salivating at the opportunity to look back at what we've done over the course of this season, which has lasted about one year.
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  Yeah, let's just ease it in, man. This is our office party, so, like, let's just take a second. How do you feel about this season?
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  Wouldn't it be hilarious if I just trashed it completely, like, worst work I've done in my entire life?
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  No, I feel really good. I feel good about, you know, certainly The Machine served us some real shit sandwiches, and it served us some real bangers as well.
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  What I like in going back and listening to some of what we've recorded is that even the movies that we are the hardest on, we find nuggets of joy and things that we loved.
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  And, like, so we can be pretty harsh and at times maybe too harsh, but I think that we've done a really good job this season, at least, of highlighting how many shades of gray there are to forgotten films.
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  Like, they can be, like, yeah, a movie can be bad, but there's still kind of, there's a lot of times something worth looking at in it, even if it's not worth remembering.
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  Yeah, and that's just one of the many different shades. I'd say there are probably about 49 other shades of gray within that.
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  You know what? I think there's way more shades than that. The entire series was selling themselves short when they limited it just to 50.
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  Like, if you said, like, 200 shades of gray, you've got sequels for generations coming out of that.
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  And yet they only did three.
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  I know, I know.
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  But, Tremon, something I learned, that 50 Shades of Gray started as Twilight fan fiction, and we covered a movie that is, I mean, based on its own thing, but very much playing in the Twilight playground.
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  I mean, I don't think, are you saying Cirque du Freak? Are you saying Cirque du Freak is like, what if the Twilight teens joined a circus?
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  Yeah, kinda.
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  I mean, it's in the playground. I'm not saying it's mimicking its every movement.
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  It's very, it's looking at the playground from the backyard of the house where it's being homeschooled by its weird Christian parents.
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  No offense to anyone out there, but I'm just, like, that's, Cirque du Freak is so chased.
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  The Twilight kids would be way too sweaty and horny for that environment.
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  Well, then what would you say is more Twilight? Is it Cirque du Freak or is it Snow White and the Huntsman?
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  Honestly, I think it's more Snow White and the Huntsman, starring Kristen Stewart, and it's not, it's just because so much of that, so much of her character development in that movie is just like, there's two cute boys who like me.
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  What are you gonna do?
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  I guess that's true.
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  How do you feel about our season?
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  I, yeah, it definitely was a parade of stuff.
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  Boy, can you be more descriptive, Landon?
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  Yes, I'll try.
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  Okay, great.
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  Wow, he's just podcasting with himself right now.
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  This is how, this is how you know we're at the end of the season.
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  We don't even need the other one anymore.
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  I have two podcasts where I podcast by myself and talk to myself, so if you're interested in that, boy oh boy, have I got content for you.
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  I, what I like about this season is that it never took me to such a dark place that season one did.
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  Reminiscence and Boys in the Boat really just stuck in my craw.
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  Yeah.
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  I, any dark place I went to this season was by my own doing.
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  For our Carrie episode, a little peek behind the curtain, I really went on a journey that I didn't ask anyone to come with me on.
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  This is a personal journey I went on alone where I had written an article to accompany that film because I was very much on the argument about gatekeeping
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  and who decides who gets to tell what stories and when.
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  Listen to the episode.
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  It's not very fun to listen to.
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  Yep, nope.
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  Real, real bummer.
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  We disagree about that movie.
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  We do.
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  But I went on this really long, like, I wrote a very, very long article and then decided, yeah, you know what?
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  I, I don't feel solid enough in my understanding of what I mean or feel about all of this to put this out in the world.
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  And so I say all of that to say that, like, I went to kind of a wrinkly place during Carrie.
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  Yeah.
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  And even though I stand by my decision to send that back to modern memory, like, that's probably the darkest I went this season.
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  And that was my, that was my doing.
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  That wasn't the movie's doing.
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  Look, I respect your personal growth there because I think the most powerful thing and the hardest thing to do as a person considering posting a piece of content on the Internet is making the decision to not post the thing.
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  To say, you know what?
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  I need to think about this some more.
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  Or, like, I'm not sure if I need to air this, like, if other people need to watch me work.
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  Like, I have struggled to learn that skill over the years.
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  And my proudest moments are when I have been trying to craft a blue sky post for 10 minutes and I just hit the discard button.
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  That's adulthood.
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  I don't know where I heard this.
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  This is not my idea at all.
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  But somewhere in the Internet ether, I recently heard this idea that I'm like, why don't we do that?
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  And obviously I know why.
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  But it's that, like, for YouTube, you cannot comment on a video unless you've watched it in its entirety.
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  And then it makes you wait 30 seconds before you can post.
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  Wow.
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  Wow.
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  That's, yeah, that, those kind, those kinds of safeguards could change the entire Internet.
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  Maybe the entire world in the future.
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  The future of communications is not extend, like, extending the communication or making it faster.
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  It's actually making the communication slower.
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  Yes, yes.
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  You have to work harder to share your opinion with people.
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  Yeah, I think so.
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  But, you know, clearly that doesn't make money, so we'll never see that.
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  Yeah, well, too bad, too bad.
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  We've got to find a way to monetize well thought out, carefully crafted, lengthy, lengthy content.
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  Join our Patreon, patreon.com slash short word pod.
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  Because if there's anything you can say about this show, it's that it's very well thought out,
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  as evidenced by the amorphous nature to the intro of our finale.
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  Can I, can I observe something?
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  Yeah.
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  Looking back at our season?
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  Yeah.
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  A lot of dreams stuff going on.
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  Not as many as, say, American Dreams, but we had the movie In Dreams, right?
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  Yes.
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  We had The Dream Team.
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  That's right.
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  Right there in the title.
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  We had Nightmare Alley.
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  Stars the same doctor in both.
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  Yes, exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  Same there, too.
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  Both movies about mental hospitals, also.
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  Maybe we covered that at the time.
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  Now, like, really, only In Dreams is actually directly about dreaming.
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  Like, Nightmare Alley doesn't have much nightmare content.
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  Well, I just want to remind you about In Dreams in that it wasn't necessarily dreams.
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  It was visions she was having.
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  Yeah.
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  And that was a point of, something that stuck for us during that episode.
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  Yeah, that was an issue that we had.
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  So we have a lot of movies that claim dreams, but we don't really have any dreams.
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  Yes.
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  I don't know.
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  Yeah?
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  I do have an update, and I don't know if it's the time to share about Nightmare Alley.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Sure now, man.
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  Whatever.
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  We're having boat adventures.
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  Come on.
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  All right.
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  Since we recorded, Criterion has released the 4K director's cut version of it.
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  The black and white version.
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  I've bought it.
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  I've watched it.
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  It's the only movie I've watched that we covered since covering it.
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  Yeah.
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  The only one he's returned to.
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  The black and white version of it is a completely different experience,
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  and does actually include some dreams slash nightmare slash visions.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  Now, does the black and white extended cut count as a forgotten film?
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  Is there any chance the machine will serve that one to us,
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  and we can do kind of a 54 director's cut situation with it?
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  I mean, I wish.
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  I don't know that anyone even knows that the director's cut version exists.
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  Yeah.
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  But one of the things that I found interesting about it,
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  and this came both from just experiencing it,
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  but Guillermo put words to it in one of the featurettes,
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  in that it just felt different.
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  And I was like, well, is this just a vibe thing because it's in black and white?
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  But he actually said that black and white films require a different pacing in the editing
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  in order to let you feel what is being communicated.
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  Like, it's just a little bit.
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  You need more tails at the end of shots and scenes to transition from one to the next.
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  Yeah.
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  It's not as fast-paced.
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  And I found that really interesting considering all the talks we've had
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  about pacing and editing this season.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Is there some kind of visual component to it, too,
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  when there's just, like, there's so many fewer colors on the screen
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  that it's kind of like your eye needs more time to digest what it's seeing
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  and kind of sit with it?
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  Maybe, yeah.
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  I mean, he didn't say anything like that, but I can definitely see that.
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  In color, you're able to, like, just at a snapshot see
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  and your brain can kind of better compute what it's seeing.
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  Black and white, it's more expressive, and therefore, yeah,
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  it might need a little more time to just absorb it all.
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  If there was a black and white edit of the rundown
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  that kind of, like, had left a little bit more space on everything,
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  do you think then maybe you would come around to my point of view
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  on that movie being one of the best films of all time?
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  No, I don't think that movie works in black and white at all.
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  I revisited my thoughts on it, and I stand true.
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  Like, again, I'll reiterate, I'll reiterate,
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  the movie doesn't bother me.
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  I'm not annoyed by that movie at all.
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  I just think that wire work and fast editing
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  completely antithetical to casting the rock in your movie.
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  Like, it's not at all utilizing his natural-born talents.
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  He's just got so much riz, though.
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  That was the natural talent that he had.
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  That's what he's bringing to the table,
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  is that he's such a nice muscle guy.
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  I've got more thoughts about muscle guys for later in the episode.
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  OK, all right.
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  But while we're on, well, let me finish up one just quick thought
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  on Nightmare Alley, which is the black and white cut
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  adds more material as well.
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  Talking about nightmares, there is added sequences
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  of him, Stanton Carlisle, Bradley Cooper,
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  having a nightmare about chasing his father through an alleyway,
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  always behind him, not able to turn him around.
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  And finally, at one pivotal point in the movie,
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  he turns his father around,
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  and he has the face of that cyclops in the jar.
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  Oh, OK, OK.
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  So there was a literal scene with a nightmare alley
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  in the movie Nightmare Alley, and they cut it out.
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  Wow.
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  That's true, yep.
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  That's a pretty bold gamble.
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  I feel like all the executives looking at that movie failing,
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  it's like, you know why?
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  We took out the scene with the nightmare in the alley.
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  No one got it.
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  No one understood the movie.
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  We must never do that again.
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  And I want to finish my thought about the editing
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  and technique of the rundown, and that can transition you
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  into talking about some big, beefy guys.
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  Yeah.
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  To me, the way that film is edited,
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  you could swap the roles.
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  You can have Sean William Scott in the Dwayne Johnson role
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  and, like, just give some excuse like he, you know,
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  sniffed some magical powder, and suddenly he has
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  the super strength to throw guys against a tree,
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  and you could film it exactly shot for shot how it is,
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  and it still makes sense because it doesn't matter
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  if it's The Rock doing that or Sean William Scott doing that.
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  You aren't utilizing in the shot why the performer you've cast
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  does this thing.
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  OK, I mean, look, I won't...
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  I'm not going to argue with you on that.
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  You know, I don't think we need to...
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  I guess we don't need to relitigate the whole editing dispute.
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  I just think that there are...
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  There's a smile and there's a wink that can kind of transcend
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  editing as far as I'm concerned.
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  There's a reassuringly huge muscle boy who can fix it all.
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  So you've discovered or rediscovered your love
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  for strong, muscly men this season.
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  Tell me a little bit about that.
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  Put your feet up on the couch.
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  We've got 50 minutes on the clock.
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  OK, this is great.
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  This is great.
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  You've got my insurance information, right?
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  It's not strictly that they're muscly dudes,
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  that they're, like, really nice, muscly dudes.
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  It's, like, big, muscly guys who definitely, like, kill people
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  but are, like, very gentle and friendly and good-natured
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  and don't want to be doing it.
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  We have The Rock in the rundown.
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  We have Alan Richen in Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.
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  Is he on your list?
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  Oh, he's on my list, absolutely.
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  OK. Who else is there?
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  Well, then there's also Dave Bautista in Hotel Artemis,
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  the gigantic orderly who's helping out the nurse.
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  So those are the...
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  I mean, there's also, in Cirque du Freak,
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  there's Remus Two-Bellies, but he's not really a muscle guy.
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  He's, like, a guy who eats a bunch of scrap metal
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  and makes it into a bike.
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  True.
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  But we do have one actor who is known for being muscly,
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  but in both films that we've watched him in this season,
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  not that muscly, or at least not shown off,
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  and I'm talking about Chris Hemsworth.
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  True, true. He's not...
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  Yeah, he's even less muscly in Snow White
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  than he is in El Royale.
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  I guess he's got his shirt off more in El Royale,
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  which is interesting, given that Snow White is the one
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  that's very much trying to target a teenage audience
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  and all about cute boys.
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  Well, this is the thing, though, for me about muscle dudes.
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  I think it's just...
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  There's something that I love about the positive masculinity
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  of just seeing a guy who's a total gym bro
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  who miraculously doesn't have problematic politics
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  or isn't trying to get in a fight.
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  It's one thing when you're all buff and ripped
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  and you clearly just want to get in fights with people.
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  It's like, OK, step off with that.
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  But when it's a guy who's all buff
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  and is aggressively trying not to fight people
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  like The Rock is in The Rundown,
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  it's kind of like, oh, that's cool, you just have a neat hobby
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  and you're a nice guy.
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  I don't know, I can't describe it,
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  but there's something that just feels very warm and comforting
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  about my massive muscly friends.
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  Yeah, well, I'm very happy that you have discovered that
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  for yourself this season.
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  There's something that I recognized,
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  a pattern I recognized.
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  I even voiced this toward the end of the season.
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  Going, I think, into the Banger Sisters,
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  I was just so fatigued
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  with crime and con men stories this season.
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  So many of them.
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  Let's do a quick rundown.
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  Do we want to include
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  he's just not that into you
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  considering it's kind of a con
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  but not in the same way that all the other crime stories are?
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  Well, in the way that Bradley Cooper
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  is conning Jennifer Connelly
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  by claiming that he's not cheating on her
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  or claiming that he's not smoking?
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  That, I'm thinking more just the concept of Justin Long
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  telling Jennifer Goodwin that there's this whole philosophy
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  he's just not that into you.
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  That in itself feels like a con to me.
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  Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of kind of shifty behavior
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  going on in that movie at every level.
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  But you know what? None of it's a crime.
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  It's not against the law.
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  Dissenting adults all over the place, so no.
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  Then I guess we can't include
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  John Harvey Kellogg and his
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  scamminess in The Road to Wellville
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  because he believes everything he's preaching there.
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  Ah, yes, but Michael Lerner and Dana Carvey
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  and John Cusack, they are trying to do a con
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  by releasing the exact same serial
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  and just profiting from it.
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  Do we include Rose Byrne
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  and what she's trying to do to Josh Hartnett in Wicker Park?
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  No, it's not illegal to not deliver a letter
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  explaining that a person is going on a dancing tour.
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  Landon, do you need a legal refresher?
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  No, no, no, this is good for me.
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  I've found more subtle ways to ask you for parameters.
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  Excellent, wonderful, wonderful.
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  Parameters never die, the sequel to Gruntwork.
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  So, OK, if we're talking specifically crimes,
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  then I don't think there was a con necessarily
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  in Hotel Artemis, but that was very much about crime.
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  It's about crime.
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  Then Nightmare Alley is obviously about a con man.
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  In Cirque du Freak, they kind of imply
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  that the existence of a freak show in this town is a crime
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  because it's exploiting the people in the show.
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  But I'm not talking about crime specifically.
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  You could say there's a crime in every movie we cover,
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  but I'm talking about cons.
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  Yeah, OK, OK, OK, yes, you're right.
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  Continue with the cons.
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  There's no cons in Cirque du Freak except on the audience.
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  Yes, exactly.
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  In Brothers Bloom, the whole thing is a con story.
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  Yeah, that's true, that's true.
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  I mean, Surviving Christmas, not a crime, not a con.
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  I mean, it's a crime against humanity.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So there's a lot of crime in Meteor Man, but none of it is...
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  Yeah, none of it's a con,
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  but would you include anything from 13th Floor
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  or Bad Times at the El Royale?
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  There are some kind of, like...
• 21:46
  I would include Bad Times.
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  I mean, everyone there is essentially conning each other.
• 21:51
  There's not a con, but it's deception.
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  Yeah, no, a con is not in Bad Times at the El Royale,
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  although he did do the song for the Shaggy Dog.
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  The 13th Floor, Gretchen Moll is kind of doing a con
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  on whatever the hell Greg Bierko in that movie
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  by pretending to be someone she's not.
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  Conda, instead of kinda.
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  She's kinda doing one.
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  Wow.
• 22:18
  Instead of too much Wakanda, and then I got scared.
• 22:20
  Yeah, there's a hole in this boat adventure, I think.
• 22:23
  We're taking on water fast.
• 22:25
  And then, of course, bandits.
• 22:27
  Bandits.
• 22:28
  Yeah.
• 22:29
  And our bonus episodes.
• 22:31
  There was the Three Musketeers.
• 22:33
  Yeah.
• 22:34
  Yeah, I mean...
• 22:35
  Cardinal Rochelot doing a con on the world.
• 22:39
  Yeah.
• 22:40
  Is the Phantom of the Opera doing a con
• 22:43
  by extorting the owners of the theater?
• 22:47
  Well, okay.
• 22:49
  This is why I need parameters,
• 22:51
  because I think what I was getting to
• 22:53
  was just my fatigue with con man stories.
• 22:55
  And what we're learning here is that
• 22:57
  deception is just kind of a fun narrative device.
• 23:01
  And it appears in so many films.
• 23:04
  But I'm specifically talking about
• 23:06
  the crime caper con man story.
• 23:09
  We covered a lot of them this season.
• 23:11
  Is part of the issue for you
• 23:13
  that deception is one thing,
• 23:15
  but a character whose entire deal
• 23:18
  is lying to people and deceiving them
• 23:20
  you just get kinda tired of?
• 23:22
  After this many movies in a row, yes.
• 23:25
  In a vacuum, no.
• 23:27
  I have no problem with that at all.
• 23:29
  But having done at least four to five of them
• 23:32
  this season, I'm like, okay,
• 23:34
  can we find some other genres?
• 23:36
  That's why I was so excited for Banger Sisters,
• 23:38
  and boy oh boy did that let me down.
• 23:40
  Yeah, you were begging for a con man
• 23:42
  to rescue you from those horny older women.
• 23:45
  Oof.
• 23:47
  Look, I also, in kinda revisiting
• 23:49
  everything we've done,
• 23:51
  in our finale for the first season,
• 23:53
  I was kind of, we were trying to pin down
• 23:56
  what makes a forgotten film,
• 23:58
  or what quality is shared in common
• 24:00
  between a lot of these forgotten films.
• 24:02
  They all open at number four.
• 24:04
  Well, yes, that's one immutable fact
• 24:07
  of being forgotten.
• 24:09
  But what I suggested in last year's finale
• 24:12
  was that it's movies where,
• 24:15
  the movies didn't happen because someone
• 24:17
  was passionate about a story idea.
• 24:19
  They happened because a bunch of people,
• 24:21
  like a bunch of money and people
• 24:23
  were all kind of in the same place
• 24:25
  at the same time.
• 24:27
  And obviously there's exceptions to this,
• 24:29
  there's exceptions everywhere.
• 24:31
  But that was kind of what I was zeroing in on
• 24:33
  was like a story thing, where the story
• 24:35
  is just sort of like, the movie's story
• 24:37
  and the outcome of the movie
• 24:39
  is just based on business factors.
• 24:41
  If the filmmakers don't care,
• 24:43
  then why should the audience care
• 24:45
  to continue to remember it?
• 24:47
  Yes, that and also just things
• 24:49
  where it's like clearly no thought
• 24:51
  was put into, you know,
• 24:53
  where is this story going to go?
• 24:55
  Is it going to reach a satisfying conclusion?
• 24:57
  But more just like, hey, we put
• 24:59
  all these actors who test well
• 25:01
  in this movie, so obviously they'll like it.
• 25:03
  But then, I mean,
• 25:05
  there's so many inverse to that.
• 25:07
  I know that was last season, but like,
• 25:09
  reminiscence is something that they clearly
• 25:11
  cared so much about.
• 25:13
  Maybe it was just COVID
• 25:15
  that ate its lunch on that one, but like,
• 25:17
  I think there are inverse
• 25:19
  examples of
• 25:21
  that, you know,
• 25:23
  those types of films also being forgotten.
• 25:25
  Yeah, no, it doesn't apply
• 25:27
  to all of them by any means,
• 25:29
  and neither does my new theory for this year.
• 25:31
  But something that I'm
• 25:33
  looking back over movies,
• 25:35
  I think that the absence
• 25:37
  of a strong protagonist,
• 25:39
  like somebody with a
• 25:41
  distinctive personality and
• 25:43
  a relatable goal who kind of goes
• 25:45
  through an arc, like basic
• 25:47
  Joseph Campbell storytelling stuff.
• 25:49
  I think that missing that
• 25:51
  is not the end-all be-all
• 25:53
  of your movie being forgotten, but it
• 25:55
  definitely doesn't help.
• 25:57
  I mean, you look at,
• 25:59
  like, talk to me about the main
• 26:01
  character in the Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.
• 26:03
  Yeah, what's his name? What's he all about?
• 26:05
  Which one?
• 26:07
  Well, an
• 26:09
  instructive answer.
• 26:11
  You know, I mean, like, who's
• 26:13
  the main character and he's just not that into you?
• 26:15
  Justin
• 26:17
  Long, maybe. And what's his whole
• 26:19
  deal?
• 26:21
  He's a skeevy dickhead who has a
• 26:23
  bad philosophy on life and is ruining everyone's
• 26:25
  lives around him. Yeah, but yeah,
• 26:27
  see, so it's not, you know.
• 26:29
  I mean, that's a specific worldview,
• 26:31
  but just not one
• 26:33
  that I want to spend time with.
• 26:35
  And look, a lot of Guy Ritchie protagonists
• 26:37
  have the specific worldview of
• 26:39
  it's cool to have luxury goods
• 26:41
  and laugh at other people's misfortune.
• 26:43
  That doesn't make it relatable.
• 26:45
  What you're saying is like
• 26:47
  it's okay to have that
• 26:49
  kind of worldview, but you want to know
• 26:51
  what got them to that point.
• 26:53
  You want the depth of character to know
• 26:55
  why I'm a shitty
• 26:57
  character and why you're spending time with me.
• 26:59
  Yeah, yeah.
• 27:01
  If the character is
• 27:03
  kind of shitty, there needs to be
• 27:05
  some kind of understanding of how they got
• 27:07
  there so you can see yourself in
• 27:09
  the character and place yourself in the experience.
• 27:11
  Oh, I have shitty things about myself
• 27:13
  that I don't like either, and I know that I got to
• 27:15
  them by this means, and oh look, this guy's like
• 27:17
  me. He got here by that.
• 27:19
  Okay, here's a question for you, just
• 27:21
  to kind of put that to the test. I'm just curious
• 27:23
  because these are both kind of cardboard
• 27:25
  characters, but
• 27:27
  just to kind of inch our way
• 27:29
  toward what you're saying,
• 27:31
  who do you think has greater depth of character?
• 27:33
  Any of the
• 27:35
  Ministry lads or
• 27:37
  Portia
• 27:39
  Doubleday in
• 27:41
  Carrie as the villain?
• 27:43
  I mean,
• 27:45
  I guess
• 27:47
  Portia Doubleday playing the villain
• 27:49
  has more like
• 27:51
  yeah, well she has more
• 27:53
  like at least a more understandable
• 27:55
  kind of
• 27:57
  point of view. Yeah, she has a point
• 27:59
  of view. Yeah, like villains often get
• 28:01
  like have the better parts in movies
• 28:03
  and get the more exciting lines and
• 28:05
  characterizations.
• 28:07
  What is the point of view of
• 28:09
  Joey Warhorse?
• 28:11
  Joey Warhorse's
• 28:13
  point of view is
• 28:15
  Don't die.
• 28:17
  Don't die, and even then he runs directly
• 28:19
  into barbed wire in the middle of a battlefield, which is
• 28:21
  if you're trying not to die, don't do that
• 28:23
  idiot.
• 28:25
  I don't know, but like
• 28:27
  I don't really know what his point of view is.
• 28:29
  It's a good reason to not make a movie about
• 28:31
  Warhorse. I mean, what's
• 28:33
  Josh Hartnett's point of view in
• 28:35
  Wicker Park?
• 28:37
  I think he has a point of view.
• 28:39
  That's a film that you and I
• 28:41
  differ on. That movie bummed you
• 28:43
  the fuck out, and
• 28:45
  I partly
• 28:47
  feel a little guilty about that,
• 28:49
  but
• 28:51
  I think it's not an interesting
• 28:53
  point of view, but I think he has a point
• 28:55
  of view, and if you compare that to
• 28:57
  like, I don't know,
• 28:59
  Greg Bierko in The 13th Floor,
• 29:01
  like,
• 29:03
  at least Josh Hartnett is being guided
• 29:05
  by his emotions, even if he isn't
• 29:07
  like, super
• 29:09
  you know, specific about
• 29:11
  them. He's just feeling big
• 29:13
  L love, or
• 29:15
  big I infatuation, where Greg
• 29:17
  Bierko's just like, I'm caught in a noir,
• 29:19
  and now you have to do all these noir tropes.
• 29:21
  Look, Josh Hartnett in
• 29:23
  Wicker Park, his point of view
• 29:25
  is that girls are pretty, except
• 29:27
  for the very pretty girl I'm engaged
• 29:29
  to. Every other girl is pretty.
• 29:31
  Like, that's, like, at least
• 29:33
  Bierko... But it's a point of view!
• 29:35
  Yeah, well, it's a point of view, but like,
• 29:37
  it's not, it's not enough.
• 29:39
  There's like, you can have a shadow of a point
• 29:41
  of view. I'm just like, Bierko
• 29:43
  at least is like, he's mainly
• 29:45
  just responding to stuff around him. He doesn't
• 29:47
  really have a point of view,
• 29:49
  so you can't really, like,
• 29:51
  you don't really, it's interesting
• 29:53
  watching the movie, and we were fairly favorable
• 29:55
  on 13th Floor, but you don't...
• 29:57
  Watching Neo in
• 29:59
  The Matrix, like a very similar movie
• 30:01
  to the 13th Floor,
• 30:03
  that character is memorable and exciting,
• 30:05
  even though he's played by Keanu Reeves, maybe not
• 30:07
  the world's most dynamic performer,
• 30:09
  because he has...
• 30:11
  You're watching him go through some stuff in a point of view.
• 30:13
  Greg Bierko, you don't really remember that character
• 30:15
  because even though the story is interesting,
• 30:17
  he's just responding to plot events.
• 30:19
  What if we did a
• 30:21
  little movie
• 30:24
  and took characters from one movie
• 30:26
  and put them into another?
• 30:28
  How would it change things if you took
• 30:30
  Josh Hartnett,
• 30:32
  his character from Wicker Park,
• 30:34
  and put him in 13th Floor
• 30:36
  instead of Greg Bierko?
• 30:38
  He would be...
• 30:40
  He would just be getting...
• 30:42
  He would be falling in love with every woman
• 30:44
  he sees in the 30s. Like, he'd meet
• 30:46
  Gretchen Moll, and immediately
• 30:48
  just start following her around
• 30:50
  and get arrested and not solve the mystery.
• 30:53
  The story becomes more interesting
• 30:55
  because then it becomes a story
• 30:57
  of a man getting addicted to staying inside
• 30:59
  a simulation rather than staying out in the
• 31:01
  real world because he keeps falling in love
• 31:03
  with every woman he encounters in the simulation.
• 31:05
  Yes.
• 31:07
  Now, that has timeless qualities to it
• 31:09
  considering that movie was made in 1999
• 31:11
  and things are, like,
• 31:13
  happening with that here in 2026.
• 31:15
  Things are absolutely
• 31:17
  happening like that. I think also
• 31:19
  if you put Josh Hartnett's
• 31:21
  character from Wicker Park into Simone,
• 31:23
  it becomes a John Hinckley,
• 31:25
  Jodie Foster type situation where he's
• 31:27
  just fully obsessed. Cannot get
• 31:29
  over her.
• 31:31
  I don't know. I just think that, like,
• 31:33
  in... Because if you look at, like,
• 31:35
  so many of these movies that we watched,
• 31:37
  you know, there's Cirque du Freak main
• 31:39
  character. It's just kind of like a,
• 31:41
  you know, bland template. Road to
• 31:43
  Wellville. It's like, there's
• 31:45
  some interesting stuff about
• 31:47
  John Cusack and
• 31:49
  John Harvey Kellogg, but, like, what's he
• 31:51
  really like? It's
• 31:53
  unclear, really, what he wants
• 31:55
  in the long term. You can't really follow
• 31:57
  through on that thread. I'm gonna push
• 31:59
  back on that one. Yeah. In
• 32:01
  terms of, like, I mean, there's
• 32:03
  not gonna be one criteria as to why
• 32:05
  something's forgotten, but what I
• 32:07
  remembered of the Road to Wellville
• 32:09
  was Anthony
• 32:11
  Hopkins' character in that. Both
• 32:13
  his appearance, his point
• 32:15
  of view, and, you know, the
• 32:17
  way he talks and holds himself. Sure.
• 32:19
  You know, there are other things
• 32:21
  of that movie that
• 32:23
  make it forgotten. I don't think it's
• 32:25
  necessarily what we're talking about
• 32:27
  in this particular instance. Well,
• 32:29
  part of it, though, is that John
• 32:31
  Harvey Kellogg in that movie, yes, he has a strong
• 32:33
  point of view, but A, it's never
• 32:35
  really tested. Something we talk about a lot
• 32:37
  in that episode is that everyone at his
• 32:39
  abstinence health clinic is
• 32:41
  fucking nonstop, and he doesn't care about
• 32:43
  it, or doesn't even seem aware of it.
• 32:45
  There's Cole Meany's character
• 32:47
  who's there, who's pitching sex therapy to
• 32:49
  his clients, and there's never any clash between them.
• 32:51
  So, and you
• 32:53
  could argue, well, yeah, Kellogg isn't, maybe
• 32:55
  Kellogg's not the main character in that movie,
• 32:57
  but it's one of those things where
• 32:59
  that's this interesting case of, okay, we have
• 33:01
  this very distinctive and memorable character
• 33:03
  played by a good actor going full
• 33:05
  ham, but because you then don't have
• 33:07
  them go on a journey
• 33:09
  where they have to change and stuff,
• 33:11
  it doesn't really, like, nothing
• 33:13
  sticks to it.
• 33:15
  Yeah, I guess that makes sense, and
• 33:17
  maybe just to wrap this up, let me
• 33:19
  ask you, like, you said go full
• 33:21
  ham, how do you feel about, like,
• 33:23
  Jon Hamm in Tag
• 33:25
  through this criteria?
• 33:27
  You called him a cool guy in a suit.
• 33:29
  Yeah, and I
• 33:31
  like, I think that
• 33:33
  that stands. I mean, he has
• 33:35
  no character aside
• 33:37
  from just project your cultural
• 33:39
  expectations of Jon Hamm onto this
• 33:41
  guy, except he's actually
• 33:43
  a lot less funny and goofy
• 33:45
  than the actual Jon Hamm is.
• 33:47
  And, look,
• 33:49
  there's, speaking of Hamm,
• 33:51
  there's plenty of circumstances
• 33:53
  in movies that we watched this season
• 33:55
  where that doesn't apply. I mean, Bad Times
• 33:57
  at the El Royale is packed with
• 33:59
  interesting characters with a point of view who go
• 34:01
  through an arc, and that movie
• 34:03
  is brought low ultimately by its
• 34:05
  plot, and just kind of, like,
• 34:07
  the pacing and the structure of it.
• 34:09
  I think Hotel Artemis, I think
• 34:11
  The Nurse, I think there's a bunch of interesting
• 34:13
  characters in there, they go through stuff.
• 34:15
  It's, and look,
• 34:17
  I like Bandits a lot more than you. I think Billy Bob
• 34:19
  Thornton in Bandits is great. He has a very
• 34:21
  strong point of view, and he goes on
• 34:23
  a little bit of a journey.
• 34:25
  I just,
• 34:27
  I think that, you know,
• 34:29
  as we go forward, as we keep
• 34:31
  doing this, there's no
• 34:33
  one silver bullet, but I think that
• 34:35
  I think that these sort of character
• 34:37
  concerns really
• 34:39
  kind of, like, play into
• 34:41
  why we don't form
• 34:43
  connections with certain movies, and why
• 34:45
  the stuff in them doesn't matter
• 34:47
  more to us. Like, when the, when the protagonist
• 34:49
  is either just kind of like a mannequin
• 34:51
  that is there to push plot
• 34:53
  buttons, or when they're just a vending machine
• 34:55
  that dispenses catchphrases
• 34:57
  and jokes punched up by stand-up
• 34:59
  comedians, like, it's,
• 35:01
  it doesn't feel like you're
• 35:03
  watching a real person who you should
• 35:05
  empathize with and care about.
• 35:07
  Yeah. Yeah. That
• 35:09
  totally makes sense to me.
• 35:11
  Um,
• 35:13
  I'm curious if we can arrive
• 35:15
  at, like, if not a magic
• 35:17
  formula, then, like,
• 35:19
  a couple magic formulas,
• 35:21
  or possible equations as to
• 35:23
  you know, how to predict if your movie's gonna
• 35:25
  be forgotten, because a lot of what
• 35:27
  you said is, like, not true of something like
• 35:29
  Meteor Man, where, like,
• 35:31
  that movie has
• 35:33
  been forgotten, but still
• 35:35
  tingles the back of some people's minds,
• 35:37
  but Robert Townsend,
• 35:39
  you know, has a very
• 35:41
  specific character in that movie,
• 35:43
  so, to me,
• 35:45
  and this is what I've kind of
• 35:47
  latched onto with some of, uh,
• 35:49
  my theories
• 35:51
  as to why movies are forgotten this season,
• 35:53
  um, when I arrived at the idea
• 35:55
  that we've lost the
• 35:57
  cultural apparatus
• 35:59
  for, um, experiencing
• 36:01
  movies over and over and
• 36:03
  over again, there's no TBS,
• 36:05
  there's no, like,
• 36:07
  everything is now
• 36:09
  chosen entertainment, as opposed to
• 36:11
  incidental entertainment.
• 36:13
  Uh, there, we
• 36:15
  talked about this, I think, during War Horse,
• 36:17
  where it's like, that movie would be
• 36:19
  remembered, and maybe it is by
• 36:21
  a pretty significant portion
• 36:23
  of people, but I think
• 36:25
  most people don't remember
• 36:27
  or seek it out that often.
• 36:29
  If there was a TBS, if there was
• 36:31
  a movie channel that we were all
• 36:33
  engaging with,
• 36:35
  you know, a Sunday afternoon movie that
• 36:37
  we're watching, War Horse
• 36:39
  would be much more in the canon
• 36:41
  than it currently is.
• 36:43
  Yeah, I both agree with you, and I guess
• 36:45
  no, I guess you're right, it wouldn't be
• 36:47
  a thing like Shawshank, where it's
• 36:49
  this great movie that gets
• 36:51
  elevated, like, the movie's
• 36:53
  shortcomings are there, it's just people would have
• 36:55
  more cultural touchstones from it, because
• 36:57
  more kids were sitting around looking at it, for lack
• 36:59
  of anything else to do.
• 37:01
  I mean, think of, like, the Dream Team,
• 37:03
  you mentioned this on the road to Wellville, which surprised
• 37:05
  me, I'm talking, like, even
• 37:07
  late night Comedy Central, when they're showing
• 37:09
  the road to Wellville, you know,
• 37:11
  once a week, like, it's putting
• 37:13
  it out there in front of people,
• 37:15
  or a certain sect of people,
• 37:17
  but we don't have that anymore, it comes
• 37:19
  out, and then you have to choose to see
• 37:21
  it or not see it, or you feel guilty that
• 37:23
  you're like, oh, I missed that in the theater, it'll sit
• 37:25
  in my queue for the next year, I'll never
• 37:27
  get to it, and then it just dissipates,
• 37:29
  you're like, you know what, today's the day I'm gonna
• 37:31
  finally remove that from my queue
• 37:33
  and my memory, so that I never have to
• 37:35
  engage with feeling like I didn't
• 37:37
  watch Enora, ever.
• 37:39
  That's even more agency than I think a lot of people
• 37:41
  bring to the process, usually it's like, this is gonna
• 37:43
  sit in my queue for a year, and then the streaming
• 37:45
  service loses the licensing rights to
• 37:47
  the movie, and now it's on Paramount+,
• 37:49
  and I can't remember the password
• 37:51
  that my parents gave me, because they're the ones
• 37:53
  who have it. Yeah, like,
• 37:55
  no one is passively viewing movies anymore
• 37:57
  because they are presented to them, and no one is
• 37:59
  actively removing movies from their queue.
• 38:01
  The closest thing
• 38:03
  we have to it, is
• 38:05
  watching somebody else's
• 38:07
  monitor on a plane. Oh
• 38:09
  my god, Landon,
• 38:11
  you brilliant, brilliant
• 38:13
  boy, that is absolutely true.
• 38:15
  Listeners,
• 38:17
  if you're gonna watch War Horse,
• 38:19
  watch it on a plane,
• 38:21
  and try and get the word
• 38:23
  out about that movie that sucks that we don't
• 38:25
  like.
• 38:27
  Because that is the only
• 38:29
  way I would look, you're right, I would see, like,
• 38:31
  be like, oh wow, okay, this guy's watching a really cool
• 38:33
  World War I movie, wow, this looks really good, like
• 38:35
  there aren't a lot of World War I movies. Wait, a
• 38:37
  horse? Why is a horse running
• 38:39
  around?
• 38:41
  I wanna
• 38:43
  transition real quick, we did this last
• 38:45
  season, and I'm not gonna force your hand here, I just
• 38:47
  wanna, like, see, gauge
• 38:49
  your thoughts on,
• 38:51
  do you still hold
• 38:53
  true to all of the verdicts you
• 38:55
  gave this season? No.
• 38:57
  You don't? Oh my
• 38:59
  god, I had a, last season,
• 39:01
  I had a pivot from saying
• 39:03
  let's send back last song,
• 39:05
  and taking it, and giving it to Hope Springs,
• 39:07
  I did a pivot on both of those films.
• 39:09
  Yeah. Um, wow,
• 39:11
  okay, you, last season, you were
• 39:13
  adamant about, I stand by every choice I made,
• 39:15
  this is breaking news,
• 39:17
  folks.
• 39:19
  Um,
• 39:21
  race call alert, CNN.
• 39:23
  Uh, yeah, I'm,
• 39:25
  I've been reflecting on
• 39:27
  this, it's kinda haunted me for
• 39:29
  a hot minute here. Okay.
• 39:31
  Our discussion of the movie,
• 39:33
  In Dreams,
• 39:35
  I said we should remember the movie
• 39:37
  In Dreams,
• 39:39
  which I think is a pretty easy thing
• 39:41
  to say, no, I think it's
• 39:43
  a pretty fucked up and weird thing for me to say under
• 39:45
  any circumstances. I guess I
• 39:47
  can sort of understand
• 39:49
  why I said
• 39:51
  it a few days after watching the movie.
• 39:53
  You know, I,
• 39:55
  in the episode I'm talking about, like, I enjoyed
• 39:57
  Annette Bening's really maximalist
• 39:59
  performance for freakouts, I thought
• 40:01
  the movie had a lot of scenes that
• 40:03
  looked good, it was fun, 90s thriller
• 40:05
  cheese. Uh,
• 40:07
  there, and also,
• 40:09
  I mean, I grew up in the 90s, so I'm just kind of
• 40:11
  like cooked with nostalgia for that decade
• 40:13
  the way that old people are about the 50s.
• 40:15
  And,
• 40:17
  I, but like, then
• 40:19
  looking back, I remember
• 40:21
  almost nothing from that movie.
• 40:23
  That is one of the more forgettable movies
• 40:25
  that we did.
• 40:27
  I don't even really
• 40:29
  remember much else of our discussion
• 40:31
  of the movie, or a bunch of other
• 40:33
  thoughts that I had about the movie. Apples. So many
• 40:35
  apples. Apples. I,
• 40:37
  and you know, I didn't like them apples,
• 40:39
  because I didn't remember them.
• 40:41
  I don't think you made that joke in the episode.
• 40:43
  Oh, probably, probably in the episode, in the
• 40:45
  mini, in the 5-4, you know I love
• 40:47
  a good half-assed line.
• 40:49
  Hire me to work at your ad agency.
• 40:51
  Um, so,
• 40:53
  no, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I move
• 40:55
  to strike that from the record. I'm voting to
• 40:57
  forget In Dreams.
• 40:59
  Now, that was a split decision,
• 41:01
  you were the only one who sent that back, so now
• 41:03
  In Dreams will be forgotten to time.
• 41:05
  Yeah, no, it's
• 41:07
  floating away under the water
• 41:09
  and drifting down into the darkness, like
• 41:11
  a surprising number of the main characters
• 41:13
  in the movie In Dreams.
• 41:15
  Yeah, yeah. I,
• 41:17
  do you have any others? Is that the only one?
• 41:19
  That's the only one. Otherwise, perfect,
• 41:21
  perfect record. What about you, Landon? Do you,
• 41:23
  do you wanna, do you wanna edit anything?
• 41:25
  You're asking me if I wanna
• 41:27
  remember something that I
• 41:29
  maybe voted to forget?
• 41:31
  Yeah, do you?
• 41:33
  No. I actually, I was
• 41:35
  ready to go re-examine everything
• 41:37
  that I had said send back this season
• 41:39
  and I, for the
• 41:41
  most part, like, maybe some of them
• 41:43
  are a little softer now, but
• 41:45
  I still think I stand by my decisions
• 41:47
  this season. Okay, good for
• 41:49
  you. So, do you want a little
• 41:51
  rundown? I always
• 41:53
  want a little rundown. You want a big rundown? I want a, I want a
• 41:55
  big rundown with a big muscle man, yes.
• 41:57
  Um, okay, I'll
• 41:59
  won't spend too much time on this, but here's what we've
• 42:01
  got. Uh,
• 42:03
  Carrie was our first that we sent back, or
• 42:05
  that I sent back, that was a split decision.
• 42:07
  Uh,
• 42:09
  keeping up a trend, Wicker Park
• 42:11
  was a split decision that I decided
• 42:13
  to send back. Yes.
• 42:15
  Um, continued our
• 42:17
  split decisions, you decided to
• 42:19
  send back the rundown and I did not.
• 42:21
  Now's your chance.
• 42:23
  First part of this season
• 42:25
  really tested our, uh,
• 42:27
  our podcasting
• 42:29
  uh, dynamic. Yeah, we,
• 42:31
  I'm glad we got ourselves back on track.
• 42:33
  We were sleeping in separate beds for a minute there.
• 42:35
  Uh, but we both
• 42:37
  got on that track starting with
• 42:39
  the Hotel Artemis. We both sent that one back.
• 42:41
  Nice. Uh,
• 42:43
  I sent back Skeleton Key.
• 42:45
  You left that one forgotten.
• 42:47
  Can I just, reflecting on Hotel Artemis,
• 42:49
  looking back at the list of movies that we did,
• 42:51
  it feels to me
• 42:53
  like Hotel Artemis was
• 42:55
  such a recent thing, and then I look
• 42:57
  and it was just so long ago
• 42:59
  that we recorded Hotel Artemis.
• 43:01
  It's really, uh,
• 43:03
  I don't know, it's a uniquely
• 43:05
  memorable movie, I think.
• 43:07
  I feel like we watched Hotel Artemis
• 43:09
  two days ago, and I feel like
• 43:11
  we watched, like, Tag last
• 43:13
  year. So it's just, it's funny
• 43:15
  how some of them
• 43:17
  stick a little bit more than the others.
• 43:19
  We'll get to that in just a second.
• 43:21
  I want to follow up on that. Yeah.
• 43:23
  Let me finish running down, running
• 43:25
  all this stuff here. Uh,
• 43:27
  InDream, strutting from the record, breaking news.
• 43:29
  Yes.
• 43:31
  No longer. You sent that back, but no more.
• 43:33
  Yeah. We both decided
• 43:35
  to send back Nightmare Alley.
• 43:37
  I double-send it back, even with the
• 43:39
  director's cut black-and-white version. Nice.
• 43:41
  We both
• 43:43
  decided to send back The Messy Brothers Bloom.
• 43:45
  Mm-hmm. Worth it.
• 43:47
  Worth it to watch. Yeah.
• 43:49
  Yeah, agreed. Uh, we both
• 43:51
  decided to send back Meteor Man.
• 43:53
  Mm-hmm. Of course.
• 43:55
  We both, it was, it was, uh,
• 43:57
  I think you voted
• 43:59
  in protest,
• 44:01
  but you got there at the end of the episode
• 44:03
  of Tag. You sent that one back, so did I.
• 44:05
  Oh, yeah, I have more thoughts on
• 44:07
  Tag, yeah. Okay.
• 44:09
  Do you, are you rescinding your, you're sending
• 44:11
  it back to modern memory? I'm not rescinding
• 44:13
  my sending it back to modern memory. If anything, it's
• 44:15
  like, I think, I don't know, I came
• 44:17
  a little hard after Tag. I think I was
• 44:19
  too rude to that movie. I still, I
• 44:21
  don't, I stand by everything
• 44:23
  I said. There's a better version of that movie
• 44:25
  that they chose not to make. Absolutely. I, I just,
• 44:27
  I don't know why I had to be, like, so salty
• 44:29
  about it being an action
• 44:31
  movie. Like, yes, Jon Hamm is a cool
• 44:33
  guy in a suit, but there's actually a bunch of funny
• 44:35
  stuff in that movie that was, yeah,
• 44:37
  I don't know. I'm sorry. I, I was,
• 44:39
  I'm sorry. I was just a bit
• 44:41
  rowdy that day, and I, um,
• 44:43
  That's okay. I, I, cast members
• 44:45
  and crew of, of Tag,
• 44:47
  I apologize.
• 44:49
  Uh, we both decided
• 44:51
  to send back 13th Floor.
• 44:53
  Um, we both
• 44:55
  decided to send back Bad Times at the El
• 44:57
  Royale. We both said
• 44:59
  fucking forget Bandits,
• 45:01
  forget Banger Sisters, but
• 45:03
  Did I vote to forget? I, I
• 45:05
  was a vote to forget on Bandits.
• 45:07
  Actually, I don't have that information
• 45:09
  in front of me. Did you? I thought,
• 45:11
  I thought I voted to remember. No, I think, I
• 45:13
  thought you said to forget. I, I liked, I liked
• 45:15
  Billy Bob Thornton's performance a lot. Check the,
• 45:17
  check the tape if you must, but I'm,
• 45:19
  I'm fairly certain I, I was, uh, I was
• 45:21
  a pro Bandits.
• 45:23
  This, this is one of those moments, uh, listeners
• 45:25
  where I can't tell if we are having
• 45:27
  a time-out conversation or Truman's gonna keep
• 45:29
  this in the episode. Well, I, I, I don't know.
• 45:31
  Well, I'm not gonna, like, I don't really give
• 45:33
  enough of a shit for you to, like, stop the whole thing
• 45:35
  while you go and, like, listen to it and look it up.
• 45:37
  Let's just say, I, I want to remember it, and if I
• 45:39
  didn't say to remember it, I'm retroactively saying
• 45:41
  to remember it. Okay, alright. There's the official record.
• 45:43
  Uh, we both forgot Banger Sisters, but
• 45:45
  probably the surprise of the
• 45:47
  season for me that you also
• 45:49
  chose to remember Phantom of the Opera.
• 45:51
  Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 45:53
  Well, wait, did I choose to remember
• 45:55
  Phantom of the Opera? I don't think I did.
• 45:57
  Are you fucking
• 45:59
  with me right now? I'm pretty sure I, I, I
• 46:01
  thought we both were Forget on that one.
• 46:03
  No, I was a Remember.
• 46:05
  Well, I was certainly, I
• 46:07
  was certainly Team Forget. I, I, I
• 46:09
  feel certain I was Team Forget. If,
• 46:11
  if when I go through and edit that, by
• 46:13
  the time you're listening to this, folks, I will have
• 46:15
  edited that episode, so either I will
• 46:17
  when I'm editing this episode,
• 46:19
  drop a recording of myself in here eating
• 46:21
  crow, or I will not, because I was right
• 46:23
  all along. Well, one of us
• 46:25
  is eating crow, and it could be me
• 46:27
  who's running from an incomplete list that dropped
• 46:29
  off after Bad Times of El Royale, so
• 46:31
  I don't actually have the information
• 46:33
  in front of me, and I'm faking it. You're so
• 46:35
  confident in your ability to remember. You're the, you're
• 46:37
  the waiter who does not carry a notepad
• 46:39
  with them. No, I remember how you want your steak cooked.
• 46:41
  Um,
• 46:43
  okay, I do remember these, because we recorded
• 46:45
  recently our bonus episodes.
• 46:47
  Uh, we both
• 46:49
  oddly chose to remember The Rage.
• 46:51
  We both decided to forget
• 46:53
  uh, Three Musketeers.
• 46:55
  We both begrudgingly
• 46:57
  decided to remember Immortals, and we both
• 46:59
  chose to forgot Snow White. Yes,
• 47:01
  we, forget with prejudice.
• 47:03
  Yeah. Yeah,
• 47:05
  that, that's a, that's a season we did.
• 47:07
  That's the season that we did. I, I,
• 47:09
  you know what, yeah, again, I stand by,
• 47:11
  I stand by our verdicts. I think we, um,
• 47:13
  you know, I, I, I think
• 47:15
  aside from my mix-up with In Dreams
• 47:17
  and being a little salty about Tag, I think,
• 47:19
  I think I'm really, uh, behind what we did.
• 47:21
  So, before we wrap up our thoughts
• 47:23
  on Season 2 and get into
• 47:25
  some of the numbers, which we love
• 47:27
  on this show. Oh, so much. Uh,
• 47:29
  you have any, like, lingering thoughts or
• 47:31
  uh, corrections you want to make? I have
• 47:33
  two, I think, I want
• 47:35
  to strike on the record. I have
• 47:37
  one correction and, like, three
• 47:39
  quick lingering notes, so, yeah.
• 47:41
  Hit me with them. Okay, so,
• 47:43
  few lingering notes. Banger Sisters,
• 47:45
  right? Yep. You heard of them?
• 47:47
  You're familiar? I have. Yeah. Unfortunately.
• 47:49
  The, a big thing in that
• 47:51
  movie that I don't think we discussed enough
• 47:53
  is they, they're kind of, their famous
• 47:55
  thing back in the day is they went up on
• 47:57
  Sunset Boulevard and they sat on the War Is Over
• 47:59
  If You Want It billboard that John
• 48:01
  and Yoko put up. And so there's this
• 48:03
  Polaroid of them sitting on that billboard.
• 48:05
  Then, late in the movie, after
• 48:07
  the Banger Sisters are reunited,
• 48:09
  there's this shot of them
• 48:11
  sitting on a Got Milk billboard
• 48:13
  in downtown Phoenix. Right.
• 48:15
  Another breast joke. I know.
• 48:17
  Which, and it's like, I don't know, and I read
• 48:19
  writing, there's something to be said there about menopause
• 48:21
  and a statement being made visually, and I don't know,
• 48:23
  it's interesting. I, I just
• 48:25
  feel, I just, I didn't comment on this at the time,
• 48:27
  but I think I need to. Okay. It's
• 48:29
  one thing to go sit on a billboard
• 48:31
  when you're in your
• 48:33
  twenties and you're, like, on drugs.
• 48:35
  When you're Don Juan DeMarco.
• 48:37
  Yeah, well, yeah, when you're Don Juan DeMarco
• 48:39
  you're, like, nineteen or something.
• 48:41
  But, when you're, when you're, like,
• 48:43
  middle-aged, when you're, like,
• 48:45
  achy and your ass hurts
• 48:47
  if you sit on a thing that
• 48:49
  isn't properly cushioned, and, like,
• 48:51
  and you're in the blazing
• 48:53
  hot Phoenix sun,
• 48:55
  I just,
• 48:57
  I'm so curious about,
• 48:59
  like, there's this one shot of them sitting up there
• 49:01
  in their sunglasses, and I'm just like,
• 49:03
  how long were you two
• 49:05
  sitting there getting absolutely cooked
• 49:07
  against this bright white billboard before
• 49:09
  you're like, okay, well, I think we've achieved the
• 49:11
  catharsis that we wanted from this, let's go lie
• 49:13
  down. You're saying
• 49:15
  the characters, not the actresses. Yeah, no,
• 49:17
  I'm saying the characters specifically. It's like,
• 49:19
  I don't care how good of
• 49:21
  a time you had dancing all night to
• 49:23
  burning down the house, you're not,
• 49:25
  you're not in the mood the following morning
• 49:27
  to, like, just go sit on a billboard for
• 49:29
  a few hours on, like, a hard mesh grate.
• 49:31
  Maybe, maybe that is
• 49:33
  Phoenix-specific
• 49:35
  hangover cure. You just
• 49:37
  get really drunk the night before
• 49:39
  and then you go sit out in the baking sun
• 49:41
  and just let it, the alcohol
• 49:43
  dissolve out of your pores.
• 49:45
  I cannot possibly imagine
• 49:47
  that working, but I don't know, I'm not
• 49:49
  from Phoenix. What can I say?
• 49:51
  Don't try this at home, folks.
• 49:53
  Here, what's one of yours?
• 49:55
  Let's go back and forth. Yeah, okay,
• 49:57
  this is a,
• 49:59
  God, I wish I had written down what episode
• 50:01
  it was. I feel kind of embarrassed
• 50:03
  because this is kind of a serious note.
• 50:05
  Something that I said
• 50:07
  during an episode that has
• 50:09
  lingered in my head, and just one of these
• 50:11
  things that, like, I think
• 50:13
  the words coming out of my mouth
• 50:15
  didn't match my intentions.
• 50:17
  Which was, I'm
• 50:19
  thinking it was the Dream Team episode,
• 50:21
  it might not have been, but
• 50:23
  I had equated
• 50:25
  someone, we were talking about a character,
• 50:27
  maybe it was Brothers Bloom and Rachel Weisz.
• 50:29
  I was talking about a
• 50:31
  character that could be seen
• 50:33
  as on the spectrum or with some
• 50:35
  neurodivergent qualities, and
• 50:37
  I had said, in comparison,
• 50:39
  that they weren't
• 50:41
  normal. And
• 50:43
  just, you know, it's not something that we
• 50:45
  need to dwell on, but it is
• 50:47
  something that stuck with me, and I'm like, ah,
• 50:49
  that wasn't, I did not phrase
• 50:51
  that at all with how
• 50:53
  I was intending that thought to come out.
• 50:55
  So,
• 50:57
  if that offended anyone or hurt anyone's
• 50:59
  feelings or contributed to whatever, like,
• 51:01
  it's something that I've carried with
• 51:03
  me, and I've been
• 51:05
  trying to correct how I
• 51:07
  phrase things
• 51:09
  surrounding stuff like that.
• 51:11
  Well, yeah, good looking out and catching that,
• 51:13
  and being cognizant of that. I mean, boy,
• 51:15
  that is the risk, that is the tightrope we walk
• 51:17
  when we say ten million words
• 51:19
  a week, and, you know,
• 51:21
  when we're going off the dome,
• 51:23
  gotta start scripting these episodes, that's the real answer to all of this.
• 51:25
  That's why I feel so bad.
• 51:27
  All of this is scripted to a T.
• 51:29
  Yeah, but it's scripted by me,
• 51:31
  so I'm the one who used
• 51:33
  kind of improper
• 51:35
  language to refer to people on the spectrum.
• 51:37
  Yeah.
• 51:39
  I have a
• 51:41
  more lighthearted one to bring it back from there
• 51:43
  if you're ready.
• 51:45
  The Playmobil movie.
• 51:47
  Right? Yeah. So,
• 51:49
  a thing that we didn't talk about, movies we covered
• 51:51
  eight years ago. I know, that feels
• 51:53
  far in the past, and it was only six
• 51:55
  movies before Artemis.
• 51:59
  When, like, we didn't talk about this in the
• 52:01
  episode, and it's been bugging me forever.
• 52:03
  When the little brother in the Playmobil
• 52:05
  land, when Ina Taylor-Joy's
• 52:07
  little brother escapes from prison
• 52:09
  with all his jail friends, and they get on the pirate ship,
• 52:11
  and are sailing it away, and are about to get
• 52:13
  immediately recaptured.
• 52:15
  The brother is excited and is
• 52:17
  celebrating the escape, and he celebrates it
• 52:19
  by floss dancing.
• 52:21
  You know, flossing?
• 52:23
  The thing that all the kids were doing, like,
• 52:25
  several years ago.
• 52:27
  I mean, A, I just want all of you
• 52:29
  to know that, that that happens in the movie,
• 52:31
  because I feel like we did a disservice by not describing
• 52:33
  it.
• 52:35
  I think that moment
• 52:37
  completely encapsulates
• 52:39
  the entire Playmobil the movie experience,
• 52:41
  because
• 52:43
  it's the producers just going like,
• 52:45
  let's put in a reference to the dance craze
• 52:47
  that is popular with kids at the exact
• 52:49
  moment we're making this movie that will
• 52:51
  be completely
• 52:53
  irrelevant three months
• 52:55
  later before the movie even comes out.
• 52:57
  It's just that short-sighted
• 52:59
  vision of just, I don't know, kids are dumb.
• 53:01
  What are kids like? Fucking floss
• 53:03
  dancing. Yeah, put it in the movie, Joe.
• 53:05
  Like, just nothing.
• 53:07
  Give me nothing. I think that's
• 53:09
  a real Playmobil moment.
• 53:11
  Yeah, and
• 53:13
  I don't know, in my research for
• 53:15
  this episode, found out that that movie
• 53:17
  had a re-release in 2022.
• 53:19
  What? In Turkey.
• 53:23
  Now, is there a 4K black
• 53:25
  and white cut of the Playmobil movie as well?
• 53:27
  With, like, additional edits?
• 53:29
  Do you see the parents?
• 53:31
  More songs.
• 53:33
  Yes. God.
• 53:35
  Yeah, just a nightclub scene.
• 53:37
  Well, they do go to a nightclub
• 53:39
  in that movie. That's true, yeah.
• 53:41
  That's right. Isaac Gonzalez
• 53:43
  from Ministry is doing
• 53:45
  her nightclub act in Playmobil.
• 53:47
  For the slug monster, she's throwing their
• 53:49
  slug monster money all over the place.
• 53:51
  Oh my god.
• 53:53
  When the slug bites.
• 53:55
  Oh yeah, Jack the Knife.
• 53:57
  Mack the Knife.
• 53:59
  For licensing purposes, it had to be Jack the Knife.
• 54:01
  The mockbuster version.
• 54:05
  Okay, another stupid thing
• 54:07
  that, uh,
• 54:09
  an omission, a correction, I guess.
• 54:11
  It's a correction, but also just like a
• 54:13
  insecurity. Just an insecurity.
• 54:15
  I still feel incredibly embarrassed
• 54:17
  that I called him Lil Rel.
• 54:19
  It's less that I called him Lil Rel
• 54:21
  in the Tag episode
• 54:23
  and more that I've been calling him Lil Rel
• 54:25
  and his name is Lil Rel.
• 54:27
  Yeah. Lil Ray.
• 54:29
  I did call him
• 54:31
  Lil Ray. God dang, I'm doing it again.
• 54:33
  Yeah.
• 54:35
  I'm embarrassed that I have been
• 54:37
  calling him Lil Ray for years.
• 54:39
  Yeah.
• 54:41
  Just because I misread
• 54:43
  his name on an
• 54:45
  IMDB page once
• 54:47
  and locked it into my brain that his name is Lil Ray
• 54:49
  and not Lil Rel.
• 54:51
  I really just want to give a shout out
• 54:53
  to all of your friends around you
• 54:55
  except for me, I guess, who
• 54:57
  let you live in that fantasy world
• 54:59
  and indulged that and didn't correct
• 55:01
  you for all that time. Let him dream.
• 55:03
  Listen, there
• 55:05
  is a way to gently
• 55:07
  correct people and I think
• 55:09
  particularly when it comes to
• 55:11
  pronouncing names, like
• 55:13
  it's sometimes
• 55:15
  good to just take someone aside and go
• 55:17
  you know what? They prefer
• 55:19
  it this way. It's like
• 55:21
  letting someone know that their fly is down.
• 55:23
  It's a delicate topic but
• 55:25
  they'll be happy that you told
• 55:27
  them. Yes, exactly.
• 55:29
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 55:31
  That's all. That's all I got. More insecurities.
• 55:33
  Those are
• 55:35
  all the insecurities you've got?
• 55:37
  That's amazing.
• 55:39
  Okay, so I just have one other
• 55:41
  thing that I want to kind of issue a correction
• 55:43
  on that is sort of a serious matter from
• 55:45
  earlier in the season.
• 55:47
  In the He's Just Not That
• 55:49
  Into You episode, we had a
• 55:51
  brief guest appearance from my girlfriend,
• 55:53
  Kirstie. That's right.
• 55:55
  I just want to correct
• 55:57
  the record on that. Kirstie is no
• 55:59
  longer my girlfriend. She is
• 56:01
  now my fiance.
• 56:03
  We are getting married later
• 56:05
  this year. Yes, that's right.
• 56:07
  And presiding
• 56:09
  over that ceremony will be quite possibly
• 56:11
  the most qualified officiant in
• 56:13
  the history of matrimony,
• 56:15
  Landon.
• 56:17
  Only because I entered my email
• 56:19
  into a website one time to get ordained.
• 56:21
  I thought you were saying
• 56:23
  I had like an open submission
• 56:25
  form for people to be the officiant
• 56:27
  and it was just like, oh shit, it's my friend Landon.
• 56:29
  Okay, I guess I'll let you officiate
• 56:31
  the thing.
• 56:33
  So anyway, I just realized...
• 56:35
  Does this mean that in season
• 56:37
  three's finale you're going to have to
• 56:39
  do a correction of season two finale
• 56:41
  when you call her your fiance
• 56:43
  when really she's your wife then?
• 56:45
  Probably so. Well, I mean, we still have
• 56:47
  a few months until the wedding, so Kirstie may
• 56:49
  make what is the wise choice
• 56:51
  as someone who both lives with me and
• 56:53
  listens to the podcast and is like, you know what?
• 56:55
  I think I've had... I think I'm max.
• 56:57
  I could just listen to the podcast and not
• 56:59
  marry him.
• 57:01
  It turns out she's just not that into you.
• 57:03
  What?
• 57:05
  Yeah, so I don't know.
• 57:07
  I just wanted to clear up that bit of housekeeping
• 57:09
  because, yeah, thank you, thank you.
• 57:11
  Well, hey, you know, clapping to you for the
• 57:13
  preemptive great job you're going to do
• 57:15
  getting us married and everything.
• 57:17
  It's one of those things where it's like
• 57:19
  I've used the term girlfriend so many times
• 57:21
  and then it's like, well, I can't just casually start dropping
• 57:23
  fiance without it becoming a whole conversation.
• 57:25
  And yet, I think you did
• 57:27
  earlier this season.
• 57:29
  I did, but I cut it out of the episode because
• 57:31
  I was like, I'm going to formally announce it
• 57:33
  in the finale episode.
• 57:35
  Okay.
• 57:37
  And listen, part of the reason I also
• 57:39
  didn't mention this until now is that I know
• 57:41
  that when Jackie Chan announced that he
• 57:43
  was engaged, there was a lot
• 57:45
  of consternation among his female
• 57:47
  fan base and to our
• 57:49
  female fans or male
• 57:51
  fans who have huge crushes on me,
• 57:53
  listen, you all still matter so much
• 57:55
  to me as fans and I hope you can
• 57:57
  keep following the show and
• 57:59
  try to find a way forward.
• 58:01
  Just like Jackie Chan, you're going to continue
• 58:03
  to have to bat him off with a pair of antlers
• 58:05
  that you found on the wall.
• 58:07
  Exactly. Just like Jackie Chan, I'm going to have
• 58:09
  to release another very popular
• 58:11
  music album.
• 58:13
  Wow.
• 58:15
  Well, congratulations.
• 58:17
  With
• 58:19
  season two kind of in our rear
• 58:21
  view mirror, I wanted to do
• 58:23
  some numbers.
• 58:25
  Catching up with some numbers.
• 58:27
  We got some really interesting numbers
• 58:29
  this season. Interesting
• 58:31
  numbers, you say. If only a math teacher
• 58:33
  had taught me about the interesting numbers, maybe I would
• 58:35
  have paid attention.
• 58:37
  Well, let me pull up
• 58:39
  some basic stuff. We always
• 58:41
  go through budget and box office
• 58:43
  every episode and
• 58:45
  I'm just curious.
• 58:47
  What do you think this
• 58:49
  season, our
• 58:51
  highest gross, or no,
• 58:53
  highest budgeted movie
• 58:55
  was?
• 58:57
  Our highest budgeted movie for this
• 58:59
  season. Would it have been...
• 59:01
  Well, I know that
• 59:03
  the budget for Bandits was unusually
• 59:05
  high, but
• 59:07
  not high enough to kind of hit
• 59:09
  that threshold.
• 59:11
  Was it Snow White and the Huntsman?
• 59:13
  By
• 59:15
  a large margin,
• 59:17
  it was
• 59:19
  Snow White and the Huntsman.
• 59:21
  $170 million
• 59:23
  for that movie.
• 59:25
  Our second highest
• 59:27
  is like half
• 59:29
  of that. Literally half of that.
• 59:31
  Which is
• 59:33
  The Rundown with $85
• 59:35
  million.
• 59:37
  Boy, and the money's all up there
• 59:39
  on the screen. It's punching, it's
• 59:41
  kicking, it's flexing, it's smirking.
• 59:43
  Stealing my heart.
• 59:45
  The Rundown is
• 59:47
  $10 million more than the
• 59:49
  Playmobil movie. Wow.
• 59:51
  Wow. And the Playmobil movie is number
• 59:53
  three?
• 59:55
  No. We have like
• 59:57
  some ties at that point
• 59:59
  at $75 million.
• 1:00:01
  Immortals, Three Musketeers, Bandits
• 1:00:03
  was $75 million.
• 1:00:05
  Ridiculous.
• 1:00:07
  That was all Bruce Willis' wig budget.
• 1:00:09
  Yeah. Do you
• 1:00:11
  know what our
• 1:00:13
  least budgeted movie is? What had
• 1:00:15
  the least amount of money?
• 1:00:17
  God, would it be
• 1:00:19
  the Rage
• 1:00:21
  character? No, Marcy X. Was it Marcy
• 1:00:23
  X? It was not
• 1:00:25
  Marcy X. In fact,
• 1:00:27
  there's a movie that we covered that
• 1:00:29
  is half the budget of Marcy X.
• 1:00:31
  Is it
• 1:00:33
  Banger Sisters? It is the
• 1:00:35
  Banger Sisters with only $10
• 1:00:37
  million.
• 1:00:39
  Wow. Wow.
• 1:00:41
  And how much
• 1:00:43
  of that was rigging it up to look like
• 1:00:45
  Goldie Hawn had breast implants
• 1:00:47
  because that was evidently quite important
• 1:00:49
  to the filmmakers
• 1:00:51
  and to reviewer Roger Ebert.
• 1:00:53
  Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  $5 million for each breast.
• 1:00:57
  Wow. Man, everyone else is just
• 1:00:59
  volunteering. It's so important to get the
• 1:01:01
  story of the Rock Cot collection into theaters.
• 1:01:05
  Well, speaking of into theaters,
• 1:01:07
  let's talk about
• 1:01:09
  the movies that were released
• 1:01:11
  into theaters and how many of them there were.
• 1:01:13
  Do you want to guess
• 1:01:15
  what our film is that has
• 1:01:17
  the most amount of
• 1:01:19
  theaters it was released into
• 1:01:21
  on its debut weekend?
• 1:01:23
  I'm just going to take another
• 1:01:25
  educated guess and say Snow White
• 1:01:27
  and the Huntsman again.
• 1:01:29
  Why spend that much
• 1:01:31
  and not maximize the opportunity to get that
• 1:01:33
  money back? More theaters
• 1:01:35
  than we've ever talked
• 1:01:37
  about on this show before were
• 1:01:39
  3,773.
• 1:01:41
  But the second
• 1:01:43
  movie, the movie with the
• 1:01:45
  second most amount of theaters might surprise you.
• 1:01:47
  Okay.
• 1:01:49
  Want to try to guess? Phantom?
• 1:01:51
  Phantom comes in
• 1:01:53
  last, dead last, with only
• 1:01:55
  622 theaters in its opening weekend.
• 1:01:57
  I should have remembered that.
• 1:01:59
  It does go wider
• 1:02:01
  after its opening weekend, but
• 1:02:03
  number two
• 1:02:05
  on our list with
• 1:02:07
  3,382 theaters
• 1:02:09
  Yeah.
• 1:02:11
  Tag. Tag.
• 1:02:13
  I mean. Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  No, not surprised at all. I should have
• 1:02:17
  I mean I forgot tag. I should have
• 1:02:19
  guessed that. I mean again
• 1:02:21
  and as we probably discussed in the episode
• 1:02:23
  it's a bunch of really no
• 1:02:25
  the poster is just look at these guys
• 1:02:27
  you know these guys from other things.
• 1:02:29
  Yep. Yeah.
• 1:02:31
  And we have about
• 1:02:33
  seven films that are
• 1:02:35
  released in over 3,000.
• 1:02:37
  Carrie, The Rundown,
• 1:02:39
  Three Musketeers, Cirque du Freak
• 1:02:41
  and that is
• 1:02:43
  it. Wow.
• 1:02:45
  Oh no, one more. Sorry. He's just not that
• 1:02:47
  into you.
• 1:02:49
  That's your review
• 1:02:51
  for that movie from here on out.
• 1:02:53
  That's Joey Warhorse's review of that
• 1:02:55
  movie too.
• 1:02:57
  Needs more oats.
• 1:02:59
  Needs more people whistling.
• 1:03:01
  Oh my god.
• 1:03:03
  Okay. Let's talk about how much
• 1:03:05
  money some of these make.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah. Money!
• 1:03:09
  Money, money, money. Let's just do
• 1:03:11
  the
• 1:03:13
  global how much it makes
• 1:03:15
  with domestic and international
• 1:03:17
  together. Cool. I know
• 1:03:19
  my first answer. You do?
• 1:03:21
  Okay. Okay. So my first
• 1:03:23
  guess, I mean obviously
• 1:03:25
  Snow White and the Huntsman.
• 1:03:27
  No. What? There's a movie that
• 1:03:29
  Oh no, I'm sorry. You're right. You're right. It is. Okay.
• 1:03:31
  Snow White and the Huntsman globally
• 1:03:33
  makes
• 1:03:35
  396.5
• 1:03:37
  million dollars. Yeah.
• 1:03:39
  So that's just like
• 1:03:41
  Snow White and the Huntsman. I love that the last movie
• 1:03:43
  that we did completely fucked our scale
• 1:03:45
  for everything else.
• 1:03:47
  It is the Tarzan
• 1:03:49
  of season two. Good
• 1:03:51
  point. Holy shit.
• 1:03:53
  Great point in fact.
• 1:03:55
  Yeah. It's just taking
• 1:03:57
  this old thing, this kind of like thing
• 1:03:59
  that you conceptualize as a fable or
• 1:04:01
  fairytale and putting sort of a grittier
• 1:04:03
  like more relevant spin on it.
• 1:04:05
  But even taking that
• 1:04:07
  out of it, just from the numbers perspective
• 1:04:09
  you've got the highest budget
• 1:04:11
  put into the most theaters
• 1:04:13
  and
• 1:04:15
  generates the most amount of money globally.
• 1:04:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:19
  Those ingredients
• 1:04:21
  it's hard to go too wrong
• 1:04:23
  I guess.
• 1:04:25
  When you put that
• 1:04:27
  much into making and
• 1:04:29
  marketing and distributing a movie it's like
• 1:04:31
  well you're bound to make a few
• 1:04:33
  hundred million at least.
• 1:04:35
  It still may not be what you want but you're gonna
• 1:04:37
  do some amount of numbers.
• 1:04:39
  I'm gonna make you guess
• 1:04:41
  two more.
• 1:04:43
  What do you think makes
• 1:04:45
  226.9
• 1:04:47
  million dollars globally?
• 1:04:49
  The Banger Sisters.
• 1:04:51
  No.
• 1:04:53
  226.9?
• 1:04:55
  I mean oh god.
• 1:04:57
  It's not Cirque du Freak is it?
• 1:04:59
  No. It is
• 1:05:01
  Immortals. Immortals that makes sense.
• 1:05:03
  Right that makes sense. Okay. Okay.
• 1:05:05
  Okay so for a non
• 1:05:07
  crossover movie our
• 1:05:09
  highest of the main season
• 1:05:11
  comes in at 181
• 1:05:13
  million dollars just over
• 1:05:15
  that. Wanna guess what it is?
• 1:05:17
  181 million
• 1:05:19
  I mean
• 1:05:21
  War Horse. It is.
• 1:05:23
  He's just not that into you.
• 1:05:25
  Beating out War Horse
• 1:05:27
  by only
• 1:05:29
  4 million dollars. Wow.
• 1:05:31
  They're just not that into Joey after
• 1:05:33
  all.
• 1:05:35
  Does any of that surprise you
• 1:05:37
  at all?
• 1:05:39
  The performance of he's just not that
• 1:05:41
  into you surprises me a little
• 1:05:43
  bit just because that movie
• 1:05:45
  is not a blockbuster by
• 1:05:47
  any means or doesn't
• 1:05:49
  have the trappings of a blockbuster
• 1:05:51
  but I guess it also makes sense.
• 1:05:53
  The book was out there, Sex and the City
• 1:05:55
  was like
• 1:05:57
  because it's based on a book
• 1:05:59
  written by a Sex and the City writer it kind
• 1:06:01
  of feels like Sex and the City cinematic
• 1:06:03
  universe like girls talking
• 1:06:05
  frankly about dating.
• 1:06:07
  It had Zeitgeist stink all over
• 1:06:09
  it so yeah I think
• 1:06:11
  that's just a movie
• 1:06:13
  that was gonna make money
• 1:06:15
  no matter what product it turned
• 1:06:17
  into. Yeah well and also
• 1:06:19
  I mean it had Louise Guzman in one scene
• 1:06:21
  so people were lined up around the block
• 1:06:23
  for that. True.
• 1:06:25
  Our lowest of the season
• 1:06:27
  is a little all over the place for
• 1:06:29
  a couple different reasons. One
• 1:06:31
  we talked about on the Marcy X episode
• 1:06:33
  how they just like axed it
• 1:06:35
  and put it out contractually
• 1:06:37
  so that only brings in just
• 1:06:39
  over a million dollars.
• 1:06:41
  Yeah well you know. Good.
• 1:06:43
  Yeah. Brothers Bloom
• 1:06:45
  also had
• 1:06:47
  a failed rollout
• 1:06:49
  I think that kind of unfairly
• 1:06:51
  got pulled from theaters before it
• 1:06:53
  really could perform. That comes in at
• 1:06:55
  5.4 million dollars.
• 1:06:57
  It's just it's also
• 1:06:59
  I'm in no way surprised about that
• 1:07:01
  with Brothers Bloom. Like that movie's just not
• 1:07:03
  gonna do well. Yeah
• 1:07:05
  agreed. Another one that just was never gonna do
• 1:07:07
  well. The Road to Wellville comes in at
• 1:07:09
  6 million point 4.
• 1:07:11
  The Dream Team comes in
• 1:07:13
  at 7.1.
• 1:07:15
  Meteor Man comes in
• 1:07:17
  at 8 million. Like these are
• 1:07:19
  none of these are a surprise to me.
• 1:07:21
  Yeah. No big shocks.
• 1:07:23
  So yeah.
• 1:07:25
  I think the box office
• 1:07:27
  doesn't. There are always like a few
• 1:07:29
  surprises but not many.
• 1:07:31
  Both in highs and lows.
• 1:07:33
  Yeah. I mean
• 1:07:35
  I think the biggest surprise to me remains
• 1:07:37
  the amount of money that Snow White made
• 1:07:39
  because of just how many deficiencies
• 1:07:41
  there are. But it's just
• 1:07:43
  really a lesson of what I was saying just a second ago
• 1:07:45
  that like yeah people will ultimately
• 1:07:47
  a certain number
• 1:07:49
  of people will see any movie
• 1:07:51
  if you just put enough money into
• 1:07:53
  like putting ads for it in front of
• 1:07:55
  their faces.
• 1:07:57
  I want to get your thoughts on this.
• 1:07:59
  I'm not gonna make you guess anything more but
• 1:08:01
  the data we collected and
• 1:08:03
  I just want to say for the record going into season
• 1:08:05
  three I've got some new stuff I'm
• 1:08:07
  gonna start including. I've found
• 1:08:09
  a way that I think is going to
• 1:08:11
  give us answers to some questions we've
• 1:08:13
  had over time which is
• 1:08:15
  why didn't this do
• 1:08:17
  what it did or why did this do what it did?
• 1:08:19
  I have found a way to track
• 1:08:21
  more easily this comes
• 1:08:23
  out over Memorial Day weekend
• 1:08:25
  or the World Cup
• 1:08:27
  was happening at this time so
• 1:08:29
  I will have release
• 1:08:31
  notes that I can share
• 1:08:33
  starting in season three.
• 1:08:35
  But with the movies we covered this season
• 1:08:37
  would it surprise you that we
• 1:08:39
  have a film
• 1:08:41
  that stayed in theaters for 20
• 1:08:43
  weeks?
• 1:08:45
  No, it would not
• 1:08:47
  surprise me. I feel like I remember talking about
• 1:08:49
  one of these that was in theaters for 20 weeks
• 1:08:51
  I just don't. Wait, yeah.
• 1:08:53
  It's War Horse, right? War Horse
• 1:08:55
  was 19 weeks
• 1:08:57
  not 20. Okay, then what's 20 weeks?
• 1:08:59
  Phantom of the Opera.
• 1:09:01
  Oh, okay. It didn't
• 1:09:03
  open wide
• 1:09:05
  but it was just out there for a long time.
• 1:09:07
  That's right, yes.
• 1:09:09
  And it debuts in the top
• 1:09:11
  box office at number 10
• 1:09:13
  It finally reaches
• 1:09:15
  number 9 at its highest
• 1:09:17
  point but this
• 1:09:19
  is kind of interesting to me.
• 1:09:21
  Since it debuts at number 10
• 1:09:23
  it still stays in the box office
• 1:09:25
  top 10 for 5 weeks.
• 1:09:27
  Wow. Oh my god.
• 1:09:29
  Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  It's just sticky.
• 1:09:33
  It is. It was. It was. It was a holiday release.
• 1:09:35
  We have another
• 1:09:37
  film that was in theaters for 19
• 1:09:39
  weeks, Beyond War Horse
• 1:09:41
  and that is
• 1:09:43
  again, sequel to War Horse
• 1:09:47
  He's just not that into you.
• 1:09:49
  Okay, because that was a Valentine's Day
• 1:09:51
  release, right? And then
• 1:09:53
  people just kept going on dates.
• 1:09:55
  Yeah. Wow. That's right.
• 1:09:57
  I mean, yeah, that's
• 1:09:59
  interesting but I guess people were also
• 1:10:01
  just still so hungry for
• 1:10:03
  more love actually, even a few
• 1:10:05
  years afterwards. They're just like, nope.
• 1:10:07
  We gotta make this one work.
• 1:10:09
  There were a few films that debuted
• 1:10:11
  at a certain place in the box office
• 1:10:13
  and then rose
• 1:10:15
  higher than that.
• 1:10:17
  Most of them, what they debut at is
• 1:10:19
  their peak. But we talked
• 1:10:21
  about Phantom. It started at 10. It worked
• 1:10:23
  its way to number 9. War Horse
• 1:10:25
  started at 7. Eventually hit
• 1:10:27
  the peak of number 5.
• 1:10:29
  One other film, and I think you'll
• 1:10:31
  be able to guess this, starts
• 1:10:33
  at number 29 in the box
• 1:10:35
  office and works its way
• 1:10:37
  up to number 11
• 1:10:39
  at its peak. Oh man, you think
• 1:10:41
  I'll be able to guess this.
• 1:10:43
  It starts at what number?
• 1:10:45
  29 you said? 29.
• 1:10:47
  It's got a road
• 1:10:49
  show release.
• 1:10:51
  It's got a road show release.
• 1:10:53
  Which? Oh, Wellville?
• 1:10:55
  Brothers Bloom.
• 1:10:57
  Brothers Bloom, of course.
• 1:10:59
  Yes.
• 1:11:01
  I just can't believe that movie was ever
• 1:11:03
  even within sight of the top 10.
• 1:11:05
  Again, I like Brothers Bloom.
• 1:11:07
  It's a kind of like
• 1:11:09
  anticlimactic heist movie
• 1:11:11
  with loads of references to Russian literature
• 1:11:13
  and I'm just like,
• 1:11:15
  I'm amazed that they let
• 1:11:17
  Rian Johnson make that. I am amazed
• 1:11:19
  that people were like, oh yeah, let's go see it.
• 1:11:21
  I guess it's all just like English lit majors.
• 1:11:23
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:25
  And I think because of the
• 1:11:27
  limited release Brothers Bloom
• 1:11:29
  is exempt from this next thing
• 1:11:31
  which is, in season one
• 1:11:33
  we had a bar
• 1:11:35
  for lowest released
• 1:11:37
  film debut, which was
• 1:11:39
  The Rocker. It came in at number 13.
• 1:11:41
  Right.
• 1:11:43
  We had our second film this season
• 1:11:45
  coming in at number 14.
• 1:11:47
  Playmobil the movie.
• 1:11:49
  Okay, yeah.
• 1:11:51
  Even discounted admission
• 1:11:53
  people weren't going to see.
• 1:11:55
  That broke the record, but then
• 1:11:57
  Truman. Oh, we had another film
• 1:11:59
  to break the record even again
• 1:12:01
  this season. Our new
• 1:12:03
  lowest ever record holder
• 1:12:05
  debuting at number 17
• 1:12:07
  and staying at its highest
• 1:12:09
  peak at 17 is
• 1:12:11
  Marcy X. Well, yeah.
• 1:12:13
  I mean, I speculated
• 1:12:15
  a lot on the Playmobil movie that like
• 1:12:17
  did everyone
• 1:12:19
  just decide to just drop this
• 1:12:21
  and forget it? And then with Marcy
• 1:12:23
  X, they explicitly did
• 1:12:25
  that. That was like the complete intent
• 1:12:27
  was just, nope, nope, don't see this.
• 1:12:29
  If you're in the theater, it's a mistake.
• 1:12:31
  It's because there's something wrong with you.
• 1:12:33
  So
• 1:12:35
  that's our box office
• 1:12:37
  and budget stuff.
• 1:12:39
  We did this last season as well
• 1:12:41
  and I want to
• 1:12:43
  go into some letterboxd stats
• 1:12:45
  for season two here.
• 1:12:47
  And, Truman, I have a
• 1:12:49
  running list of
• 1:12:51
  stats from season one
• 1:12:53
  and two. So when we talk
• 1:12:55
  about who the most forgotten
• 1:12:57
  actor is or director,
• 1:12:59
  we can chart that over all of our
• 1:13:01
  seasons. Nice. Okay.
• 1:13:03
  Let's start with
• 1:13:05
  just season two. Okay.
• 1:13:07
  And like the Oscars,
• 1:13:09
  I am going to
• 1:13:11
  start with most forgotten
• 1:13:13
  actor.
• 1:13:15
  Do you remember
• 1:13:17
  season one, how many
• 1:13:19
  people we have forgotten?
• 1:13:21
  I do not remember how many people we forgot.
• 1:13:23
  We had a multi-way
• 1:13:25
  tie in season one
• 1:13:27
  for forgotten actor.
• 1:13:29
  Al Pacino, Hugh Grant,
• 1:13:31
  Greg Kinnear, Cliff Curtis,
• 1:13:33
  Julia Roberts, Rainn Wilson,
• 1:13:35
  Cuba Gooding Jr.
• 1:13:37
  All of these men and women
• 1:13:39
  we had seen at least two films
• 1:13:41
  of theirs. Yeah.
• 1:13:43
  In season two.
• 1:13:45
  Truman, oh my
• 1:13:47
  God.
• 1:13:49
  The most forgotten
• 1:13:51
  is a 22-way tie.
• 1:13:53
  Wait.
• 1:13:55
  Did we have three people
• 1:13:57
  who were all in two movies?
• 1:13:59
  No. We have 22 people
• 1:14:01
  that we've seen twice this season.
• 1:14:03
  Oh my God. Wait. Okay.
• 1:14:05
  Shit. Okay. Settle in
• 1:14:07
  everybody. We're going to hear 22 names.
• 1:14:09
  Well, no. Let's just go through some of them
• 1:14:11
  and maybe as we go through these, give me
• 1:14:13
  your reflections on
• 1:14:15
  their
• 1:14:17
  involvement in the film, the film
• 1:14:19
  itself, their characters.
• 1:14:21
  I'm going to start with some that might
• 1:14:23
  not seem like we covered two of their
• 1:14:25
  movies.
• 1:14:27
  First of all, we have
• 1:14:29
  Sir John Hurt.
• 1:14:31
  He's not
• 1:14:33
  speaking at all in Skeleton Key
• 1:14:35
  and then he's being the
• 1:14:37
  old disguised version of Zeus
• 1:14:39
  in Immortals. That's right.
• 1:14:41
  We have covered
• 1:14:43
  right at the last second two
• 1:14:45
  Chris Hemsworth movies. Right.
• 1:14:47
  Yes. El Royale and
• 1:14:49
  Snow White.
• 1:14:51
  That's right.
• 1:14:53
  What if I told you we did
• 1:14:55
  two Bradley Cooper movies this season?
• 1:14:57
  Well, yeah. That would be Nightmare Alley and
• 1:14:59
  He's Just Not That Into You.
• 1:15:01
  Do you think
• 1:15:03
  as we go through these, what do you
• 1:15:05
  think of the range of these actors?
• 1:15:07
  Well, I think it's impressive range for
• 1:15:09
  Bradley Cooper that in Nightmare Alley
• 1:15:11
  he's destroyed by drinking and in
• 1:15:13
  He's Just Not That Into You, he's destroyed by smoking.
• 1:15:15
  Oh my god.
• 1:15:17
  And what's the one where
• 1:15:19
  he's destroyed by gambling?
• 1:15:21
  I mean, is that...
• 1:15:23
  Wait, what's the one where he's
• 1:15:25
  the guy who's the cook?
• 1:15:27
  Who's the edgy cook? Burnt or something?
• 1:15:29
  Chef? Burnt, yeah.
• 1:15:31
  No, Chef is Jon Favreau. Burnt is a different kind of edgy
• 1:15:33
  chef, yeah.
• 1:15:35
  Maybe he's gambling there and that's why
• 1:15:37
  he's edgy. I haven't seen Burnt.
• 1:15:39
  Yeah, I know.
• 1:15:41
  Okay, how about
• 1:15:43
  Cate Blanchett? We saw two
• 1:15:45
  movies of hers this season.
• 1:15:47
  Right, well, we definitely
• 1:15:49
  saw her in Bandits.
• 1:15:51
  And when I went
• 1:15:53
  and saw the extended
• 1:15:55
  release of Lord of the Rings,
• 1:15:57
  I saw her in that as well.
• 1:15:59
  She was in Nightmare Alley!
• 1:16:01
  Oh, of course she was
• 1:16:03
  in Nightmare Alley, yes. Well, there you go.
• 1:16:05
  Okay, more of that.
• 1:16:07
  Your favorite of all
• 1:16:09
  time? Your greatest goat
• 1:16:11
  of all time?
• 1:16:13
  I believe Jennifer Connelly
• 1:16:15
  was only in one movie this season.
• 1:16:17
  That's true. I'm talking about Jane Krakowski
• 1:16:19
  though. Oh, Jane Krakowski, yes.
• 1:16:21
  She's the lady
• 1:16:23
  with the extra strong teeth
• 1:16:25
  in Cirque du Freak.
• 1:16:27
  And she's
• 1:16:29
  the funniest
• 1:16:31
  of the three interchangeable friends
• 1:16:33
  in Marcy X.
• 1:16:35
  Freddie
• 1:16:37
  Fox, you might not know by name,
• 1:16:39
  but he played both
• 1:16:41
  King George and
• 1:16:43
  Ian Fleming this season in
• 1:16:45
  Three Musketeers and Ministry
• 1:16:47
  of Ungentlemanly Warfare.
• 1:16:49
  That is quite a range.
• 1:16:51
  Basically,
• 1:16:53
  the guy who wrote On Her Majesty's Secret
• 1:16:55
  Service was also His Majesty
• 1:16:57
  in one of the other movies. There you go.
• 1:16:59
  Ben Affleck we saw too?
• 1:17:01
  Just not that into
• 1:17:03
  you and Surviving Christmas, of course.
• 1:17:05
  There you go.
• 1:17:07
  What do you think of his
• 1:17:09
  range? At least of what we've
• 1:17:11
  seen. Do you think that
• 1:17:13
  I kind of feel like Surviving Christmas and
• 1:17:15
  He's Just Not That Into You could be like cousins
• 1:17:17
  of each other. Yeah,
• 1:17:19
  I hate to give He's Just Not That Into You
• 1:17:21
  any praise, but that movie was better
• 1:17:23
  thought out than Surviving Christmas
• 1:17:25
  and dare I say funnier.
• 1:17:27
  I think
• 1:17:29
  boy, I don't like his
• 1:17:31
  performance. I'm hard pressed to think of the last
• 1:17:33
  time I really liked Ben Affleck in something,
• 1:17:35
  but
• 1:17:37
  I don't know. That's probably too rude to Ben Affleck.
• 1:17:39
  He's going to smoke a cigarette sadly
• 1:17:41
  and drink his dunkies now that he heard me say
• 1:17:43
  that. I've really come around
• 1:17:45
  at Ben Affleck. I don't like a lot of his movies.
• 1:17:47
  I don't like a lot of his performances, but
• 1:17:49
  I'm rooting
• 1:17:51
  for the guy. I don't know why.
• 1:17:53
  Good for you, Landon. He needs
• 1:17:55
  all the help he can get being rich and married to J-Lo
• 1:17:57
  and whatnot.
• 1:17:59
  He's... so
• 1:18:01
  yeah, I don't know. Which performance do I like
• 1:18:03
  better? I guess I like him better in He's Just
• 1:18:05
  Not That Into You because he's just
• 1:18:07
  bland
• 1:18:09
  and upset at the notion of having to marry
• 1:18:11
  Jennifer Aniston as opposed to
• 1:18:13
  actively
• 1:18:15
  trying to sabotage this
• 1:18:17
  family's life for no discernible
• 1:18:19
  reason. Yeah.
• 1:18:21
  John Hamm,
• 1:18:23
  we did too.
• 1:18:25
  Yeah, I mean, boy, it's a big
• 1:18:27
  evolution from him in Tag into
• 1:18:29
  him in El Royale because he at least has a
• 1:18:31
  character besides being a cool suit guy.
• 1:18:33
  Yeah, we had a
• 1:18:35
  honey-baked ham and we had a salty ham.
• 1:18:37
  Mmm, I know. And I
• 1:18:39
  don't... you know what? And I... John Hamm
• 1:18:41
  is my favorite kind of ham. I actually don't like ham
• 1:18:43
  the meat that much, but... Oh, okay.
• 1:18:45
  Not really interesting fact, but...
• 1:18:47
  But John Hamm's meat maybe
• 1:18:49
  is a different story. Let's move on to
• 1:18:51
  Henry Cavill. No
• 1:18:53
  opportunity to rebut that allegation.
• 1:18:55
  Just run me over.
• 1:18:57
  Henry
• 1:18:59
  Cavill is the last
• 1:19:01
  one I'm going to mention, though there are quite a
• 1:19:03
  number of other people we've seen twice this season.
• 1:19:05
  Yeah, okay. Henry Cavill
• 1:19:07
  was in The
• 1:19:09
  Immortals and
• 1:19:11
  I... oh, was he one of the
• 1:19:13
  million horseboys in
• 1:19:15
  War Horse? You'd think so,
• 1:19:17
  but he was driving his own
• 1:19:19
  horse of mad men in the Ministry of
• 1:19:21
  Ungentlemanly Warfare. Right.
• 1:19:23
  Right, I'm so... wow.
• 1:19:25
  We bookended our season really
• 1:19:27
  hard with him. Wow, I... talk about forgetting
• 1:19:29
  the protagonist of that movie. I forgot Henry
• 1:19:31
  Cavill was even in it.
• 1:19:33
  Willem
• 1:19:35
  Defoe is another man who
• 1:19:37
  is into films. Eddie Marzin,
• 1:19:39
  Ray Stevenson, Luke Evans,
• 1:19:41
  um...
• 1:19:43
  anyone else? Oh, yeah, the doctor that we've
• 1:19:45
  talked about. Denis Boutsikaris.
• 1:19:47
  Boutsikaris. God, every time
• 1:19:49
  I butcher his name. Yeah. Well?
• 1:19:51
  He's a doctor from the Dream Team and in Dreams.
• 1:19:53
  Maybe we'll get another chance to
• 1:19:55
  butcher his name next season. Maybe he'll come back
• 1:19:57
  again as a doctor. Well, here's the
• 1:19:59
  thing, Sherman. In our running
• 1:20:01
  list, we have
• 1:20:03
  just a handful of men
• 1:20:05
  and women who have been in
• 1:20:07
  three films from season one and
• 1:20:09
  two. There's only five. Okay. Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  Denis Boutsikaris is one
• 1:20:13
  of them. Two films
• 1:20:15
  this season, last season,
• 1:20:17
  he was in Money Monster. Right.
• 1:20:19
  I'm trying to think who else could be...
• 1:20:21
  because we didn't hit
• 1:20:23
  any more Pacino this
• 1:20:25
  season. Correct.
• 1:20:27
  I don't
• 1:20:29
  know who these others are, man. I can't remember last season.
• 1:20:31
  That's asking too much of me.
• 1:20:33
  The man who's in every film
• 1:20:35
  ever, Willem Defoe. He's gonna
• 1:20:37
  be the top of the list no matter
• 1:20:39
  who's watching anything.
• 1:20:41
  He's just in everything that's ever existed.
• 1:20:43
  Lucky us.
• 1:20:45
  Definitely lucky us. He was
• 1:20:47
  in American Dreams last season
• 1:20:49
  in addition to the two this season. Right.
• 1:20:51
  Yes. He's the weird Cheney-Karl Rove
• 1:20:53
  hybrid. Yeah.
• 1:20:55
  Yeah. Another
• 1:20:57
  gentleman with three films,
• 1:20:59
  Bradley Cooper.
• 1:21:01
  We got two films this season, and
• 1:21:03
  let's not forget he was in The Rocker last
• 1:21:05
  season. Right. Along with everyone
• 1:21:07
  else. Yes.
• 1:21:09
  Eddie Marzin.
• 1:21:11
  We talked about him. I always talk about him.
• 1:21:13
  He was one of the dwarves in Snow White.
• 1:21:15
  He was in War Horse. He's the one that
• 1:21:17
  was about to shoot Joey War Horse
• 1:21:19
  at the end. Right. And of course
• 1:21:21
  he was the one that gave the mission to
• 1:21:23
  Cary Elwes to give to Orson Fortune
• 1:21:25
  in the very first film. Right.
• 1:21:27
  He is the first actor we
• 1:21:29
  have seen on the show.
• 1:21:31
  Wow. On our podcast.
• 1:21:33
  I mean that's, yeah, the very
• 1:21:35
  first thing that we saw and
• 1:21:37
  forgot was Eddie Marzin.
• 1:21:39
  Yeah. Was he walking or is
• 1:21:41
  it Elwes walking at the beginning of that movie?
• 1:21:43
  It was technically Elwes walking, but
• 1:21:45
  the first face we see is Eddie Marzin. Gotcha.
• 1:21:47
  We see Elwes feet, Marzin face.
• 1:21:49
  Yes.
• 1:21:51
  Then Truman, I don't know if you can count, but there's one other
• 1:21:53
  person that has three
• 1:21:55
  films that I haven't mentioned yet.
• 1:21:57
  No Landon, I can't count.
• 1:21:59
  Who's that person?
• 1:22:01
  Your greatest goat
• 1:22:03
  of all time, Jane Krakowski
• 1:22:05
  with three films.
• 1:22:07
  Rocker, of course. Rocker.
• 1:22:09
  Give me a movie
• 1:22:11
  where Jane Krakowski has more than
• 1:22:13
  three lines in a row. Please.
• 1:22:15
  Don't show me Jane Krakowski
• 1:22:17
  and then deprive me of Jane Krakowski.
• 1:22:19
  Yeah. We have
• 1:22:21
  no films directed by
• 1:22:23
  no multiple films directed
• 1:22:25
  by a single filmmaker this season,
• 1:22:27
  but our running tally
• 1:22:29
  has two filmmakers, two directors
• 1:22:31
  particularly, who have directed
• 1:22:33
  films. Last season
• 1:22:35
  Guy Ritchie, this season Guy Ritchie.
• 1:22:37
  Last season, Paul
• 1:22:39
  Weitz with American Dreams.
• 1:22:41
  This season, Paul Weitz with
• 1:22:43
  Cirque du Freak.
• 1:22:45
  What a
• 1:22:47
  track record from
• 1:22:49
  American Dreams to Cirque du Freak.
• 1:22:51
  I would say
• 1:22:53
  that Cirque du Freak is more memorable than American
• 1:22:55
  Dreams.
• 1:22:57
  Yeah, just by sheer weirdness.
• 1:22:59
  Yes.
• 1:23:01
  And by the swagger that it brought
• 1:23:03
  to like, we're going to launch
• 1:23:05
  a franchise. Look out Harry
• 1:23:07
  Potter, we're coming for you.
• 1:23:09
  Right. I don't know if this
• 1:23:11
  is interesting. We watched five films by
• 1:23:13
  Universal Pictures, five by MGM.
• 1:23:15
  I don't know if this is interesting.
• 1:23:17
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:23:19
  And I've got all kinds of
• 1:23:21
  crew
• 1:23:23
  that we can go through, but let's not.
• 1:23:25
  We celebrate the crew
• 1:23:27
  as we, you know,
• 1:23:29
  witness them in each episode.
• 1:23:31
  Fucking Twilight Zone episode where we find out
• 1:23:33
  that the same gaffer worked on
• 1:23:35
  every single movie we've covered.
• 1:23:37
  That's the secret
• 1:23:39
  to having a forgotten movie is that like, Jim
• 1:23:41
  Stevenson was your gaffer.
• 1:23:45
  Yeah. The thing is
• 1:23:47
  the people that
• 1:23:49
  have the most credits to
• 1:23:51
  our films we've covered, there's multiple
• 1:23:53
  of them with four films, and
• 1:23:55
  they're all stunt people.
• 1:23:57
  Oh, okay. The true unsung
• 1:23:59
  heroes of Hollywood.
• 1:24:01
  That's the running list of both seasons
• 1:24:03
  so far.
• 1:24:05
  So, lots of people.
• 1:24:07
  Too many to mention, to be perfectly honest
• 1:24:09
  with you. Wow. Wow. Well,
• 1:24:11
  we appreciate them all the same.
• 1:24:13
  Yes. Stunts are
• 1:24:15
  underrated.
• 1:24:17
  Should we do a bonus episode where I just
• 1:24:19
  read the list of stunt actors?
• 1:24:21
  People are calling it the
• 1:24:23
  lowest rated bonus episode in
• 1:24:25
  podcasting history.
• 1:24:27
  Alright. Here's the last letterboxd stat
• 1:24:29
  I want to give you.
• 1:24:31
  I found this interesting.
• 1:24:33
  We have four years.
• 1:24:35
  Four separate years
• 1:24:37
  in which we covered three films.
• 1:24:39
  So if we're talking like
• 1:24:41
  what is the most forgotten year?
• 1:24:43
  We have a four-way tie just for season two
• 1:24:45
  and it's a little bit different for
• 1:24:47
  the cumulative list. We have one
• 1:24:49
  that has inched into
• 1:24:51
  frontrunner territory. What do you think?
• 1:24:53
  We spent a lot
• 1:24:55
  of time in the mid-aughts this year.
• 1:24:57
  Yeah. Do you have a
• 1:24:59
  sense if you had to guess
• 1:25:01
  what the most forgotten
• 1:25:03
  mid-aughts year is?
• 1:25:05
  2002, right?
• 1:25:07
  2004.
• 1:25:09
  Okay. We covered Phantom
• 1:25:11
  of the Opera, Surviving Christmas,
• 1:25:13
  and Wicker Park.
• 1:25:15
  But then that was just led into
• 1:25:17
  by
• 1:25:19
  2003 with Marcy X
• 1:25:21
  and 2002 with Banger Sisters. Yes. We were on this
• 1:25:23
  upward trajectory into forgetting
• 1:25:25
  2004. Yeah. And you know
• 1:25:27
  what? With Phantom of the Opera staying in theaters
• 1:25:29
  for 20 weeks,
• 1:25:31
  I think they really are the ones that survived
• 1:25:33
  Christmas. Yeah.
• 1:25:35
  You know what? That's very true. The Phantom
• 1:25:37
  of the Opera could take on Ben Affleck
• 1:25:39
  no problem. He's like jumping on the squeaky
• 1:25:41
  stair and then a trap door opens
• 1:25:43
  and he slides down into a dungeon.
• 1:25:45
  And
• 1:25:47
  we also have
• 1:25:49
  1999 with
• 1:25:51
  13th Floor, The Rage, Carrie 2,
• 1:25:53
  and In Dreams.
• 1:25:55
  We have 2011
• 1:25:57
  just inching in at the end with two
• 1:25:59
  bonus episodes. Yeah.
• 1:26:01
  War Horse, Immortals, and Three Musketeers.
• 1:26:03
  And then
• 1:26:05
  2018 with
• 1:26:07
  Bad Times at the El Royale,
• 1:26:09
  Tag, and Hotel Artemis.
• 1:26:11
  Right. And our only 1994
• 1:26:13
  movie was
• 1:26:15
  Road to Wellville,
• 1:26:17
  but we also did Lightning Jack
• 1:26:19
  last year, which was... Correct.
• 1:26:21
  Because those were two of the five movies Roy
• 1:26:23
  Smith was in in 1994, of course,
• 1:26:25
  obviously. That's right. Do you
• 1:26:27
  want to guess
• 1:26:29
  the frontrunner for both seasons?
• 1:26:31
  What year has inched
• 1:26:33
  into frontrunner territory for
• 1:26:35
  Most Forgotten Film?
• 1:26:37
  Is it
• 1:26:39
  2003?
• 1:26:41
  No.
• 1:26:43
  2008.
• 1:26:45
  Wow. How many movies from 2008
• 1:26:47
  now? Four.
• 1:26:49
  We've done Red Belt,
• 1:26:51
  The Rocker,
• 1:26:53
  The Brothers Bloom,
• 1:26:55
  of course,
• 1:26:57
  and... Drumroll
• 1:26:59
  please. Nah.
• 1:27:01
  No, I'm not going to give you a drumroll.
• 1:27:03
  You can just say it. Don't encourage him.
• 1:27:05
  Ha ha ha ha.
• 1:27:07
  A movie we haven't
• 1:27:09
  even mentioned this episode
• 1:27:11
  yet.
• 1:27:13
  Body of Lies.
• 1:27:15
  We didn't cover
• 1:27:17
  Body of Lies this year. I know that for sure.
• 1:27:19
  We did not cover Body of Lies.
• 1:27:21
  What even is
• 1:27:23
  Body of Lies?
• 1:27:25
  Is it like about... Is it Body of Lice?
• 1:27:27
  Is that what you're saying?
• 1:27:29
  Oh, yeah. I think that was it.
• 1:27:31
  Yeah, you need to take a tick bath or something.
• 1:27:33
  Huh. Weird.
• 1:27:35
  Well, let's transition us into
• 1:27:37
  our M3Ps,
• 1:27:39
  our M3P awards.
• 1:27:41
  The most
• 1:27:43
  third, most
• 1:27:45
  movie memory machine person
• 1:27:47
  awards. You know, last season
• 1:27:49
  when we got to this section, I was saying,
• 1:27:51
  hey guys, it's a work in progress. We're going to be
• 1:27:53
  experimenting with some new names for stuff. Don't get
• 1:27:55
  attached to anything. A year later, we
• 1:27:57
  have not given it any thought. We are in the same
• 1:27:59
  cycle. M3P
• 1:28:01
  awards. Yep. Let's
• 1:28:03
  start with Best Picture
• 1:28:05
  and by Best Picture, I mean Most Forgotten
• 1:28:07
  Picture. And I think we both have to come
• 1:28:09
  to an agreement on this.
• 1:28:11
  It should be pretty easy, I think.
• 1:28:13
  Yes. Yeah. What do you believe
• 1:28:15
  is the most forgotten movie we covered this season?
• 1:28:17
  Body of Lies. No question. Body of Lies.
• 1:28:19
  Body of Lies. Without a doubt. Body of Lies.
• 1:28:21
  What even... The only
• 1:28:23
  thing I can, with
• 1:28:25
  concrete confidence,
• 1:28:27
  remember and say is
• 1:28:29
  in that film is that Russell Crowe
• 1:28:31
  watched Poseidon on an airplane.
• 1:28:33
  Yes. Russell Crowe
• 1:28:35
  watched Poseidon and
• 1:28:37
  Leonardo DiCaprio side-sips a beer
• 1:28:39
  in a kind of intense way. But you only
• 1:28:41
  remember it because I did
• 1:28:43
  it in the mini-episode and it came out my nose.
• 1:28:45
  Yeah, exactly. That's the main...
• 1:28:47
  I really remember
• 1:28:49
  you side-sipping a beer, doing an impression
• 1:28:51
  of Leonardo DiCaprio. I don't remember what he looked
• 1:28:53
  like doing it.
• 1:28:55
  That movie is
• 1:28:57
  really
• 1:28:59
  something. I mean, I watch
• 1:29:01
  so many movies that
• 1:29:03
  everyone forgot existed and nothing
• 1:29:05
  is like that at all.
• 1:29:07
  It's a fucking trip.
• 1:29:09
  Yeah, I
• 1:29:11
  completely agree.
• 1:29:13
  I don't even think if you designed
• 1:29:15
  a film...
• 1:29:17
  You put every single film through
• 1:29:19
  some sort of analytical machine and you came
• 1:29:21
  up with exactly the formulas
• 1:29:23
  that we're trying to come up with and then you
• 1:29:25
  decided to put into
• 1:29:27
  production a movie that would hit
• 1:29:29
  every single criteria for being
• 1:29:31
  forgotten. I still don't think
• 1:29:33
  you end up with a movie like Body of Lies.
• 1:29:35
  It's
• 1:29:37
  just like a placeholder movie.
• 1:29:39
  It's even a placeholder
• 1:29:41
  memory in my brain.
• 1:29:43
  I have
• 1:29:45
  a folder that says you
• 1:29:47
  watched Body of Lies and then I open it for any
• 1:29:49
  memories of the movie and there's nothing in
• 1:29:51
  there. Except like a brief clip
• 1:29:53
  of Russell Crowe. Files corrupted.
• 1:29:55
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:29:57
  This movie has performed an illegal operation
• 1:29:59
  and will be shut down.
• 1:30:01
  Have you got runners-up
• 1:30:03
  for the most forgotten?
• 1:30:05
  I have a couple. Yeah, I do, actually.
• 1:30:07
  And?
• 1:30:11
  Well,
• 1:30:13
  yeah.
• 1:30:15
  Okay, well,
• 1:30:17
  it's more that
• 1:30:19
  I've forgotten talking about it
• 1:30:21
  than I have forgotten the movie itself.
• 1:30:23
  Yeah. I don't remember
• 1:30:25
  our conversation much
• 1:30:27
  about
• 1:30:29
  The Brothers Bloom.
• 1:30:31
  Yeah. I remember
• 1:30:33
  I'm coasting on vibes on that one.
• 1:30:35
  I remember having a good time
• 1:30:37
  but I could
• 1:30:39
  not tell you with any confidence
• 1:30:41
  outside of
• 1:30:43
  Mark Ruffalo has a death wish for some reason.
• 1:30:45
  That's the only thing that really lingers in me.
• 1:30:47
  But I really don't remember
• 1:30:49
  what they're doing, why they're doing it.
• 1:30:51
  None of it really has
• 1:30:53
  stuck with me plot-wise.
• 1:30:55
  Yeah. I think
• 1:30:57
  part of why is because the plot
• 1:30:59
  is so convoluted and has so many
• 1:31:01
  double-crosses for ambiguous
• 1:31:03
  reasons.
• 1:31:05
  So it's
• 1:31:07
  you can't just be like, oh, that's the movie
• 1:31:09
  where this and this and this happens.
• 1:31:11
  It's like you have incidents but
• 1:31:13
  their purpose is completely confused.
• 1:31:15
  Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:31:17
  That makes sense.
• 1:31:19
  Otherwise, I don't know. I think we had a pretty
• 1:31:21
  solid slate of
• 1:31:23
  things that I don't think should be
• 1:31:25
  remembered but I remember a lot of them.
• 1:31:27
  Wow.
• 1:31:29
  Boy, I keep forgetting we did Carrie this season.
• 1:31:31
  Yeah, that one really
• 1:31:33
  just I think
• 1:31:35
  pretty bland movie that I think
• 1:31:37
  missed me. I know like Julianne Moore
• 1:31:39
  and we liked her performance.
• 1:31:41
  Yeah.
• 1:31:43
  Boy, I think my brain
• 1:31:45
  read it as so much of just a like
• 1:31:47
  this feels like a CW
• 1:31:49
  show.
• 1:31:51
  I think I leveraged that criticism a lot
• 1:31:53
  in the episode but it just did not
• 1:31:55
  write to memory. I really didn't get
• 1:31:57
  I don't have much from that.
• 1:31:59
  Yeah, interesting. Okay.
• 1:32:01
  I'm wondering if some of these
• 1:32:03
  are like suffering just
• 1:32:05
  from the sheer amount of time that has passed
• 1:32:07
  since we've watched them like I probably
• 1:32:09
  shouldn't remember or won't remember
• 1:32:11
  much of the Dream Team
• 1:32:13
  you know in another year but we didn't
• 1:32:15
  it wasn't that long ago that we did
• 1:32:17
  it that like the annoyance
• 1:32:19
  of that movie is still sticking with me. Okay.
• 1:32:21
  Well, that's the thing like a Dream Team
• 1:32:23
  is funny because that's my other runner up.
• 1:32:25
  I both don't remember
• 1:32:27
  very much of that movie
• 1:32:29
  because it's the opposite of
• 1:32:31
  Brothers Bloom. There's just like no plot
• 1:32:33
  there and it's just a bunch of stupid slapstick
• 1:32:35
  vignettes repeated again and again.
• 1:32:37
  So I don't remember a lot of it but there's also
• 1:32:39
  so many bits from it that just
• 1:32:41
  are irritating me like I almost
• 1:32:43
  want to take some of the salt that I applied
• 1:32:45
  to tag and apply it to Dream
• 1:32:47
  Team which I think we weren't mean enough about
• 1:32:49
  because it's just like
• 1:32:51
  you really
• 1:32:53
  studios really thought we were going to like that.
• 1:32:55
  I really thought we were going to like the therapist
• 1:32:57
  just going like and all 60,000
• 1:32:59
  of those chairs
• 1:33:01
  are nailed
• 1:33:03
  down. So slow.
• 1:33:05
  Why is that movie so
• 1:33:07
  fucking slow?
• 1:33:09
  The door is shutting.
• 1:33:11
  Oh my God. And those hot dogs
• 1:33:13
  at Yankee
• 1:33:15
  Stadium
• 1:33:17
  can cure anything.
• 1:33:19
  God damn it.
• 1:33:23
  So I like, I both
• 1:33:25
  spend a lot of time thinking about how much I
• 1:33:27
  hate that movie and I don't remember a lot from
• 1:33:29
  it. So that's, I don't know.
• 1:33:31
  Take that for what you will. And you also
• 1:33:33
  mentioned In Dreams and that's where you
• 1:33:35
  switch your verdict around a little bit
• 1:33:37
  too. I think we need to pick
• 1:33:39
  what we think is the most memorable movie
• 1:33:41
  this season. Oh, well
• 1:33:43
  I think we're
• 1:33:45
  both on the same page with it but
• 1:33:47
  I'm going to let you go first so that I can just say what
• 1:33:49
  you say. I mean, well
• 1:33:51
  you're going to be hard pressed
• 1:33:53
  because I mean
• 1:33:55
  it should be the rundown
• 1:33:57
  and for me personally it's the
• 1:33:59
  rundown but
• 1:34:01
  in reality probably Bad
• 1:34:03
  Times at the El Royale has like
• 1:34:05
  the most genuinely exciting
• 1:34:07
  stuff in it. I think that I
• 1:34:09
  oh wait, but then Meteor Man though.
• 1:34:11
  Well, I'm
• 1:34:13
  biased on Meteor Man and so I
• 1:34:15
  don't feel like I can wage an opinion
• 1:34:17
  on that. I kind of thought that we were
• 1:34:19
  both like surprised by
• 1:34:21
  how much Hotel Artemis has stuck
• 1:34:23
  with us. You know, that's true.
• 1:34:25
  I don't remember a lot
• 1:34:27
  of the
• 1:34:29
  plot
• 1:34:31
  mechanics of that movie. I remember just liking
• 1:34:33
  the vibe and like how pleasantly surprised
• 1:34:35
  I was by the writing and the cast
• 1:34:37
  and the performances.
• 1:34:41
  I still think I might say
• 1:34:43
  I think Bad Times is
• 1:34:45
  the most memorable
• 1:34:47
  for me because of how many sequences in that
• 1:34:49
  I find really enjoyable otherwise
• 1:34:51
  but Artemis
• 1:34:53
  is like a good, I think Artemis
• 1:34:55
  because we both had a little prior
• 1:34:57
  experience with El Royale. Hotel
• 1:34:59
  Artemis we both kind of came to
• 1:35:01
  more or less blindly and we're both
• 1:35:03
  pleasantly surprised by what we I think thought
• 1:35:05
  was going to be kind of a schlocky reminiscence
• 1:35:07
  type movie. Yeah, and
• 1:35:09
  I would say that that is
• 1:35:11
  points
• 1:35:13
  in its credit to being chosen
• 1:35:15
  as the most memorable. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:17
  Because if we both had memories
• 1:35:19
  previous memories of a movie that
• 1:35:21
  would be biasing I think
• 1:35:23
  our, you know, choice
• 1:35:25
  for Bad Times. Very good
• 1:35:27
  point. I think that throws it to Artemis
• 1:35:29
  then because yeah the run down is kind
• 1:35:31
  of my meteor
• 1:35:33
  man but yeah I think Artemis
• 1:35:35
  yeah that's
• 1:35:37
  a fun one. That's a fun one. Not like a great
• 1:35:39
  film but great by the
• 1:35:41
  parameters of what we do here.
• 1:35:43
  Yeah, I think so. I think
• 1:35:45
  so are we, do we agree
• 1:35:47
  in agreement?
• 1:35:49
  The M3P award for most
• 1:35:51
  memorable movie goes to Hotel Artemis.
• 1:35:53
  Yes, absolutely. Let's give it
• 1:35:55
  that gold. Let's have the nurse come up here
• 1:35:57
  on stage, get her statuette,
• 1:35:59
  have her big muscle dude
• 1:36:01
  escort her off.
• 1:36:03
  And then the M3P award for
• 1:36:05
  most forgotten film goes to
• 1:36:07
  uh, what was it?
• 1:36:11
  It's like Bobby
• 1:36:13
  Bobby of Fries I think?
• 1:36:15
  It's like Bobby Hill eating a bunch of French
• 1:36:17
  fries. Oh, I'd
• 1:36:19
  watch that again. Dad, I gotta go
• 1:36:21
  torture some people.
• 1:36:23
  Bobby of
• 1:36:25
  Lies M3P
• 1:36:27
  award. We have some individual
• 1:36:29
  ones to give out though. Truman, I'm gonna let you go
• 1:36:31
  first. What kind of awards
• 1:36:33
  you got to hand out this season? Well, yes
• 1:36:35
  I've got, I want to
• 1:36:37
  first just give out
• 1:36:39
  this is kind of more of an
• 1:36:41
  honorary Oscar situation. There's no
• 1:36:43
  real competition in this category.
• 1:36:45
  I want to give out the M3P
• 1:36:47
  for outstanding achievement
• 1:36:49
  in butts.
• 1:36:53
  We've seen some
• 1:36:55
  butts this season. There's
• 1:36:57
  you know, there's the mooning going
• 1:36:59
  on in Phantom of the Opera.
• 1:37:01
  Yeah, the butt bar
• 1:37:03
  has been set high though. The butt bar
• 1:37:05
  has been set, and listen, and also
• 1:37:07
  honorable mention to Frida Pinto's
• 1:37:09
  butt double in Immortals, doing
• 1:37:11
  excellent work there. Great, worth
• 1:37:13
  every penny. Um, but
• 1:37:15
  fam, the road to Wellville
• 1:37:17
  winner of the M3P for
• 1:37:19
  outstanding achievement in butts.
• 1:37:23
  Which, you have
• 1:37:25
  every kind of butt
• 1:37:27
  imaginable there. You have the butt
• 1:37:29
  double, you have the actual butt of
• 1:37:31
  the actor, you have sexy
• 1:37:33
  butt, you have normal butt.
• 1:37:35
  You have background
• 1:37:37
  actor butt, no face
• 1:37:39
  just butt. Yep.
• 1:37:41
  Milk bath butt.
• 1:37:43
  You've got butt bath
• 1:37:45
  and beyond.
• 1:37:47
  Do you think that Tinto Brass,
• 1:37:49
  was he alive in 1994?
• 1:37:51
  Was he able to see that movie?
• 1:37:53
  Just like they're crying in the theater
• 1:37:55
  like they get it, they understand butts.
• 1:37:57
  Cinema has been
• 1:37:59
  achieved.
• 1:38:01
  Yeah, so
• 1:38:03
  yeah, road to Wellville,
• 1:38:05
  congratulations, truly
• 1:38:07
  brilliant work, you are
• 1:38:09
  first, you are head and shoulders
• 1:38:11
  above the butts.
• 1:38:13
  Okay, here's
• 1:38:15
  one I've got. I was
• 1:38:17
  really thinking that this season,
• 1:38:19
  I felt like this is a statement we made
• 1:38:21
  very often on the show,
• 1:38:23
  which is
• 1:38:25
  they weren't given a lot to work
• 1:38:27
  with. Yes.
• 1:38:29
  I feel like that's just going to continue to be
• 1:38:31
  a staple of this show. A lot of
• 1:38:33
  thinly written movies out there.
• 1:38:35
  Yeah, so I wanted to give
• 1:38:37
  an M3P award
• 1:38:39
  to the best performance
• 1:38:41
  despite the material.
• 1:38:43
  Ooh, okay.
• 1:38:45
  And I'm gonna give this one
• 1:38:47
  to Annette Bening for In Dreams.
• 1:38:49
  Yeah, she made some lemonade
• 1:38:51
  there, didn't she? Yeah, you look
• 1:38:53
  at Cate Blanchett and Bandits, you look at
• 1:38:55
  these are the other nominees. You look at
• 1:38:57
  Lisa Kudrow in Marcy X
• 1:38:59
  and they're doing a thing
• 1:39:01
  but Annette Bening
• 1:39:03
  really just swings
• 1:39:05
  for the fences in
• 1:39:07
  what is a messy movie that
• 1:39:09
  makes no sense and
• 1:39:11
  having to, as an actor,
• 1:39:13
  patch over
• 1:39:15
  large swaths of
• 1:39:17
  narrative that
• 1:39:19
  had to be rewritten due to your
• 1:39:21
  co-star not, you know,
• 1:39:23
  being present. So
• 1:39:25
  I think she is an
• 1:39:27
  all-star this season for
• 1:39:29
  putting in a memorable performance
• 1:39:31
  despite what she was given to work with. A memorable
• 1:39:33
  performance in a forgettable movie.
• 1:39:35
  A performance so memorable that
• 1:39:37
  I tried really hard
• 1:39:39
  to send that movie back to modern memory
• 1:39:41
  before I came to my senses. It's true.
• 1:39:43
  It's true, yes. Good.
• 1:39:45
  Good choice. I fully
• 1:39:47
  applaud that. And you know what?
• 1:39:49
  She had a lot of competition but she definitely earned that one.
• 1:39:51
  I'd also like to hand out the M3P
• 1:39:53
  for least effective prison
• 1:39:55
  because...
• 1:39:57
  Okay. Alright.
• 1:39:59
  Now, in prisons
• 1:40:01
  are you including mental
• 1:40:03
  asylums? Oh, Landon, you best
• 1:40:05
  believe I am.
• 1:40:07
  There is so much
• 1:40:09
  incompetent incarceration
• 1:40:11
  going on this season.
• 1:40:13
  You know, you've got Emperor Maximus'
• 1:40:15
  dungeon in the Playmobil movie that
• 1:40:17
  the kid and his fellow
• 1:40:19
  Playmobil prisoners escape from multiple
• 1:40:21
  times. You've got Ravenna's
• 1:40:23
  dungeon in Snow White that Snow White
• 1:40:25
  just finds a loose nail and
• 1:40:27
  escapes from instantly.
• 1:40:29
  Arkham Asylum in the Rage Carry 2
• 1:40:31
  where that lady's able
• 1:40:33
  to break J. Smith Cameron out of there by
• 1:40:35
  sticking some gum in a lock, that's all.
• 1:40:37
  There's Oregon State Penitentiary
• 1:40:39
  in Bandits where the guards just kind of
• 1:40:41
  let them drive out the door and shoot at them a couple times.
• 1:40:43
  That's right. The Mental Hospital
• 1:40:45
  in Dream Team where they let four
• 1:40:47
  mental patients go to a baseball
• 1:40:49
  game and just get completely lost
• 1:40:51
  and then let them drive off the premises again
• 1:40:53
  at the end of the movie.
• 1:40:55
  But, the
• 1:40:57
  M3P for Least Effective Prison has
• 1:40:59
  to go to the State Mental Hospital
• 1:41:01
  from In Dreams
• 1:41:03
  where
• 1:41:05
  Annette Bening is able to
• 1:41:07
  escape from the prison in the exact
• 1:41:09
  same way that Robert Downey Jr.
• 1:41:11
  escaped from the prison years earlier
• 1:41:13
  and there have been no
• 1:41:15
  changes to architecture
• 1:41:17
  or policy or procedures
• 1:41:19
  to keep that from happening.
• 1:41:21
  Same human-sized vent
• 1:41:23
  that is reachable by a chair
• 1:41:25
  in the cell itself?
• 1:41:27
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:41:29
  Security guards who have not been trained
• 1:41:31
  to pick up people on the premises
• 1:41:33
  without any ID who claim
• 1:41:35
  to be employees even though they've never seen
• 1:41:37
  them before and drive them to a second
• 1:41:39
  location. We're making history
• 1:41:41
  here today. We stripped
• 1:41:43
  In Dreams of one award of being
• 1:41:45
  sent back to modern memory
• 1:41:47
  but it is sweeping the floor
• 1:41:49
  with all these M3P awards.
• 1:41:51
  Yeah, we're just hurling awards into the void
• 1:41:53
  and watching the M3Ps
• 1:41:55
  be forgotten as they
• 1:41:57
  go into the darkness.
• 1:41:59
  Well, I think I'm going to set
• 1:42:01
  aside my Best Use of Apples award
• 1:42:03
  that I was about to give out.
• 1:42:05
  Oh man, I was going to give it to Strongbow Cider
• 1:42:07
  a tasty way to get drunk
• 1:42:09
  when you're 20 years old.
• 1:42:11
  Alright,
• 1:42:13
  my next one is
• 1:42:15
  Best Ensemble of
• 1:42:17
  Criminals.
• 1:42:19
  We had a lot of criminals this year, didn't we?
• 1:42:21
  We did and
• 1:42:23
  we had an entire cast of
• 1:42:25
  them in Hotel Artemis.
• 1:42:27
  Yes, and in
• 1:42:29
  and arguably
• 1:42:31
  in El Royale as well.
• 1:42:33
  That's right. Yes, absolutely.
• 1:42:35
  Everyone is a criminal of sorts.
• 1:42:37
  Not everyone. I guess Cynthia Ervio isn't
• 1:42:39
  but criminals all over the place.
• 1:42:41
  I would argue that Brothers Bloom
• 1:42:43
  even though they are charming
• 1:42:45
  are kind of doing illegal stuff in that.
• 1:42:47
  No, they're explicitly doing illegal stuff, Landon.
• 1:42:49
  They're not getting that money
• 1:42:51
  in a legal way.
• 1:42:53
  Elaborate cons influenced by
• 1:42:55
  Russian literature are still crimes
• 1:42:57
  even if you're being twee about it.
• 1:42:59
  Can you tell that I'm just
• 1:43:01
  primed to always have to argue my points?
• 1:43:03
  Yeah, I know. You're fighting straw men
• 1:43:05
  all day long.
• 1:43:07
  We have a huge ensemble in
• 1:43:09
  Nightmare Alley. Yes, that's true.
• 1:43:11
  Of criminals. Of swindlers.
• 1:43:13
  Yeah, I guess they're swindling.
• 1:43:15
  A lot of them are just circus performers
• 1:43:17
  but some of them are swindling in addition to being circus performers.
• 1:43:19
  All of
• 1:43:21
  the filmmakers involved with Marcy X
• 1:43:23
  I find to be an ensemble of criminals
• 1:43:25
  but that's just me.
• 1:43:27
  Oh man, taking it to them.
• 1:43:29
  But there
• 1:43:31
  is one ensemble of criminals
• 1:43:33
  this season
• 1:43:35
  that will never be touched.
• 1:43:37
  This is their award for the rest of time.
• 1:43:39
  They already have gold.
• 1:43:41
  They don't need the golden M3P
• 1:43:43
  award because they are
• 1:43:45
  the lords of gold. I'm talking about
• 1:43:47
  the golden lords.
• 1:43:49
  The golden lords from Meteor Man
• 1:43:51
  are by far the best criminals in the world.
• 1:43:53
  They have the best swag.
• 1:43:55
  They look so good. They're so
• 1:43:57
  cool.
• 1:43:59
  And they have Don Cheadle.
• 1:44:01
  Do you think that
• 1:44:03
  we've given him this award
• 1:44:05
  because Don Cheadle, like, we're going to
• 1:44:07
  mail this to Don Cheadle. Do you think now he'll
• 1:44:09
  hang out with us and be our friend?
• 1:44:11
  I hope so. Or at least my friend.
• 1:44:13
  I don't know.
• 1:44:15
  If he's not your friend
• 1:44:17
  then he and I can talk shit about you
• 1:44:19
  and that might bring us closer
• 1:44:21
  which I don't
• 1:44:23
  want to do that but also
• 1:44:25
  if it gets me closer to Don Cheadle, I mean, what's this
• 1:44:27
  friendship, you know?
• 1:44:29
  Yeah, I guess so.
• 1:44:31
  Do you have any more?
• 1:44:33
  I have one more.
• 1:44:35
  Okay, I do too.
• 1:44:37
  The M3P
• 1:44:39
  for best muscle boy in a movie
• 1:44:41
  the best muscle dude
• 1:44:43
  Alright, you've set this one up nicely.
• 1:44:45
  As discussed, we had
• 1:44:47
  Dave Bautista in Hotel Artemis
• 1:44:49
  we had The Rock in The Rundown
• 1:44:51
  I suppose, now that I think about it
• 1:44:53
  the little brother in the Playmobil movie
• 1:44:55
  he does become an incredibly strong
• 1:44:57
  Viking Playmobil figure
• 1:44:59
  That's true.
• 1:45:01
  But he's kind of a dick, though. He's kind of rude
• 1:45:03
  so I don't think he's a nice muscle dude.
• 1:45:05
  Well, is that what the word is?
• 1:45:07
  Nice muscle dude?
• 1:45:09
  Yeah, as stated, it's the muscle dude
• 1:45:11
  who's a nice guy in his kind.
• 1:45:13
  Okay, alright.
• 1:45:15
  Well then that exempts 90% of the people
• 1:45:17
  I was just going to throw out there
• 1:45:19
  like Tiny Lister of the Golden Lords and Meteor Man
• 1:45:21
  or would you consider Peter Boyle
• 1:45:23
  from the Dream Team? I mean, he's
• 1:45:25
  the hulking man.
• 1:45:27
  And he's also kind of a dick. He thinks he's Jesus
• 1:45:29
  and he has no sense of decorum.
• 1:45:31
  I'm talking about a muscle dude
• 1:45:33
  who walks into a situation and is smiling
• 1:45:35
  and polite and takes an interest in you
• 1:45:37
  and is just like a cool dude
• 1:45:39
  who wants to put you at ease, even if he has just
• 1:45:41
  killed a bunch of folks.
• 1:45:43
  Yeah, well you're describing Dave Bautista
• 1:45:45
  to me. Well, yes, but that's
• 1:45:47
  the thing. You're also describing The Rock in The Rundown
• 1:45:49
  or Alan Richardson in Ungentlemanly Warfare
• 1:45:51
  and I gave this
• 1:45:53
  I was giving this a lot of thought, I was puzzling over it
• 1:45:55
  and current events helped me
• 1:45:57
  because recently
• 1:45:59
  oh, Landon is reacting as though he has not
• 1:46:01
  seen the best picture of the year
• 1:46:03
  Alan Richardson was
• 1:46:05
  out riding motorcycles with his kids
• 1:46:07
  in his rich neighborhood in Nashville
• 1:46:09
  and this
• 1:46:11
  one of his neighbors, this British
• 1:46:13
  jackass like MAGA influencer
• 1:46:15
  I guess was upset about
• 1:46:17
  Alan Richardson riding the motorcycle around
• 1:46:19
  so he, there's like video of this
• 1:46:21
  from Alan Richardson's helmet cam
• 1:46:23
  this guy runs out into the street
• 1:46:25
  in front of Alan Richardson to block him
• 1:46:27
  Alan Richardson has to like fall off
• 1:46:29
  of his motorcycle to avoid hitting this
• 1:46:31
  guy. Oh shit. This guy is screaming at
• 1:46:33
  him in front of his kids like, fuck you, fuck you
• 1:46:35
  why are you riding around this neighborhood?
• 1:46:37
  Fuck you, I've called the fucking cops on you
• 1:46:39
  and Alan Richardson is just like
• 1:46:41
  telling him like, dude are you insane? What are you
• 1:46:43
  doing? Stop this. The guy repeatedly tries
• 1:46:45
  to push Alan Richardson off his bike
• 1:46:47
  and then Alan Richardson just beats
• 1:46:49
  the shit out of him and there's videos
• 1:46:51
  from multiple angles of Alan Richardson
• 1:46:53
  beating this guy and being like
• 1:46:55
  stay down, stay down
• 1:46:57
  what is wrong with you? It's so
• 1:46:59
  good. Not to
• 1:47:01
  be John Oliver about this but body
• 1:47:03
  cams can be deceptive at times
• 1:47:05
  and being someone who does
• 1:47:07
  not like motorcycles in my neighborhood
• 1:47:09
  I don't
• 1:47:11
  want to completely relate
• 1:47:13
  to this other dude despite his political views
• 1:47:15
  Landon, look, this is the thing, I hate
• 1:47:17
  motorcycles, like I would
• 1:47:19
  sooner ban motorcycles than guns
• 1:47:21
  and I really want to ban guns but
• 1:47:23
  and I hate a loud motorcycle
• 1:47:25
  in my neighborhood. It's A, this is
• 1:47:27
  broad daylight when it's happening, it's like they're doing it in the
• 1:47:29
  middle of the night. B, if the
• 1:47:31
  guy's riding around and making a lot of noise in your neighborhood
• 1:47:33
  like A, try to flag him
• 1:47:35
  down or B, you know what? Yes
• 1:47:37
  call the cops on this rich white
• 1:47:39
  guy. One rich white guy call on the cops and another
• 1:47:41
  rich white guy, have them do it. Don't
• 1:47:43
  run into the street
• 1:47:45
  make him wipe out and start like
• 1:47:47
  swearing at him in front of his kids and
• 1:47:49
  shoving him around. That
• 1:47:51
  is a good point, that is speaking
• 1:47:53
  to a certain mindset of a person
• 1:47:55
  Anyway, as a result
• 1:47:57
  of both his performance in Ungentlemanly
• 1:47:59
  Warfare and his valiant work
• 1:48:01
  beating up a guy who I personally found
• 1:48:03
  quite annoying, Alan Richson
• 1:48:05
  you are the best muscle dude of
• 1:48:07
  season 2 of Movie Memory
• 1:48:09
  Machine. Come and get your award
• 1:48:11
  and then maybe like tell me you're proud of me or something
• 1:48:13
  I don't know
• 1:48:15
  Maybe we have more of him in the future, I would like
• 1:48:17
  to see him again. I would love to see him again
• 1:48:19
  Guy's great, I gotta start watching Reacher
• 1:48:21
  I wanna watch him beat up more guys
• 1:48:23
  It's so fun
• 1:48:25
  Okay, give me
• 1:48:27
  what's our final M3P?
• 1:48:29
  Alright, my last M3P
• 1:48:31
  award is a little controversial
• 1:48:33
  Truman, it's a little controversial
• 1:48:35
  This is the best
• 1:48:37
  long con
• 1:48:39
  and we've had a lot of long cons
• 1:48:41
  we've even talked about them
• 1:48:43
  Truman already has a squinty face
• 1:48:45
  you're looking at me like
• 1:48:47
  Fry in that gif
• 1:48:49
  I'm looking like a very tired Fry man
• 1:48:51
  I cannot be, okay, what
• 1:48:53
  what other long term thing have you
• 1:48:55
  been doing that I haven't
• 1:48:57
  I haven't
• 1:48:59
  but we covered a lot of long cons
• 1:49:01
  and I chose this from
• 1:49:03
  clarity of purpose
• 1:49:05
  it's a term you used earlier this season
• 1:49:07
  I don't remember what you were describing but
• 1:49:09
  clarity of purpose with the long con
• 1:49:11
  okay
• 1:49:13
  what was your intention
• 1:49:15
  despite the outcome
• 1:49:17
  were you able to commit to it
• 1:49:19
  and see it through to the end
• 1:49:21
  with clarity of purpose
• 1:49:23
  sure
• 1:49:25
  and I'm giving this M3P award
• 1:49:27
  to Landon Solano
• 1:49:29
  for his work
• 1:49:31
  trying to do a mentalism trick on Truman Capps
• 1:49:33
  to say Gwyneth Paltrow
• 1:49:35
  I mean that's
• 1:49:37
  wow, that's brave to give yourself an award
• 1:49:39
  for the thing you did
• 1:49:41
  that didn't work
• 1:49:43
  I know, that's not really what I was going to do
• 1:49:45
  the best long con is still
• 1:49:47
  controversial and I'm very curious
• 1:49:49
  what your reaction to it is going to be
• 1:49:51
  I'm giving this
• 1:49:53
  long con award
• 1:49:55
  to Ed Helms
• 1:49:57
  for the movie Tag
• 1:49:59
  concocting an entire season
• 1:50:01
  of a tag game
• 1:50:03
  as one last con essentially
• 1:50:05
  to get everyone to play together
• 1:50:07
  because he's dying
• 1:50:09
  now, that's messy
• 1:50:11
  and that's like
• 1:50:13
  a questionable thing we covered in that episode
• 1:50:15
  but he knew what he was doing
• 1:50:17
  and he accomplished his goal
• 1:50:19
  it's really impressive
• 1:50:21
  to pull all of that off
• 1:50:23
  when you are
• 1:50:25
  what appears to be
• 1:50:27
  if not a terminal illness, at least a very
• 1:50:29
  serious illness, like you have
• 1:50:31
  two kids and a job
• 1:50:33
  and you're like, you know what
• 1:50:35
  I'm going to
• 1:50:37
  orchestrate
• 1:50:39
  a huge cross country
• 1:50:41
  lie caper that probably costs
• 1:50:43
  tens of thousands of dollars
• 1:50:45
  yeah
• 1:50:47
  I think you look at Brothers Bloom
• 1:50:49
  you look at
• 1:50:51
  even El Royale, it's so convoluted
• 1:50:53
  and I lose the thread a lot of times
• 1:50:55
  but I think
• 1:50:57
  Ed Helms just had like
• 1:50:59
  this is what I want, this is how I'm going to do it
• 1:51:01
  and whether it works or whether it doesn't work
• 1:51:03
  it's going to come to some
• 1:51:05
  outcome that is directly tied
• 1:51:07
  to my intentions
• 1:51:09
  and that's why I'm giving him this
• 1:51:11
  M3P award. You know, he was a lot more
• 1:51:13
  direct about it than the Brothers
• 1:51:15
  Bloom, you gotta give him that
• 1:51:17
  he didn't do a lot of
• 1:51:19
  elaborate double blinds or explosions
• 1:51:21
  or literary references, he just
• 1:51:23
  played tag. I don't think he would
• 1:51:25
  have won this award if he
• 1:51:27
  had actually gotten up
• 1:51:29
  from his hospital bed at the
• 1:51:31
  end and turned it all into a prank
• 1:51:33
  like just to tag him, I wouldn't have given
• 1:51:35
  it to him, but
• 1:51:37
  the fact that he wanted to get
• 1:51:39
  this all together as one last
• 1:51:41
  tag hurrah, yeah
• 1:51:43
  I give it to him. Tag hurrah is
• 1:51:45
  the name of my favorite bounty hunter
• 1:51:47
  in Star Wars
• 1:51:51
  Alright, Truman
• 1:51:53
  we are nearing the end of this episode
• 1:51:55
  and I just want to take
• 1:51:57
  a moment of silence
• 1:51:59
  to honor
• 1:52:01
  the folks from our Movie Memory Machine
• 1:52:03
  movies that have passed this season
• 1:52:05
  your
• 1:52:07
  greatest goat of all time
• 1:52:09
  still around, Jane Krakowski
• 1:52:11
  one of my greatest goats
• 1:52:13
  of all time
• 1:52:15
  Catherine O'Hara passed this season
• 1:52:17
  yes, yes
• 1:52:19
  a real, like genuine
• 1:52:21
  we had a lot of shocking
• 1:52:23
  deaths in the entertainment industry this year
• 1:52:25
  that one was a special
• 1:52:27
  I just did not see that coming
• 1:52:29
  at all and she is sorely missed
• 1:52:31
  absolutely, I think
• 1:52:33
  just one of the absolute funniest
• 1:52:35
  people who ever lived up there
• 1:52:37
  in a
• 1:52:39
  pantheon of funny ladies, but
• 1:52:41
  man oh man, her talent
• 1:52:43
  going all the way back to SCTV
• 1:52:45
  and you know
• 1:52:47
  not a great showcase this season
• 1:52:49
  hopefully we have something
• 1:52:51
  more of her in the future
• 1:52:53
  I would, I don't think it's
• 1:52:55
  oh maybe it is a forgotten movie, I don't know
• 1:52:57
  one of my all time favorite performances
• 1:52:59
  of her is from a Christopher Guest movie
• 1:53:01
  called A Mighty Wind
• 1:53:03
  I highly
• 1:53:05
  recommend people go check that out
• 1:53:07
  everyone's going to be rushing to go watch
• 1:53:09
  Home Alone or I've seen a lot
• 1:53:11
  of the artsy crowd going back to
• 1:53:13
  After Hours
• 1:53:15
  go check out A Mighty Wind
• 1:53:17
  it's touching and it's hilarious
• 1:53:19
  yeah, just
• 1:53:21
  chef's kiss all around
• 1:53:23
  I haven't seen A Mighty Wind in many years
• 1:53:25
  but I tell you what, best in show
• 1:53:27
  also go watch that
• 1:53:29
  she's crushing it there
• 1:53:31
  we also lost one other person this season
• 1:53:33
  and
• 1:53:35
  he didn't
• 1:53:37
  appear in a movie but he
• 1:53:39
  was part of our conversations
• 1:53:41
  pretty extensively
• 1:53:43
  I'm talking about Mr. Jack himself
• 1:53:45
  Buster Poindexter
• 1:53:47
  has passed
• 1:53:49
  yeah, that was a
• 1:53:51
  that's also a sad
• 1:53:53
  loss and that's also
• 1:53:55
  one of those things where it's like
• 1:53:57
  I don't know how
• 1:53:59
  Buster Poindexter will be remembered by
• 1:54:01
  future generations, like I don't know if there's a lot
• 1:54:03
  of people beyond, you know, people in
• 1:54:05
  our age, we're like the last generation to really
• 1:54:07
  know Buster Poindexter
• 1:54:09
  yeah, it's true
• 1:54:11
  well
• 1:54:13
  we're the ones keeping his legacy alive
• 1:54:15
  after he has hit
• 1:54:17
  the road
• 1:54:19
  was that a crass joke? I don't know
• 1:54:21
  I feel like
• 1:54:23
  I would hope they would have a sense of humor
• 1:54:25
  I feel like Buster Poindexter
• 1:54:27
  would like that, the vibe
• 1:54:29
  he brought to the movie scrooged, I think that
• 1:54:31
  he would have a little chuckle
• 1:54:33
  yeah
• 1:54:35
  look, I'm glad that we were able to pay our respects
• 1:54:37
  to the actors
• 1:54:39
  we've lost, in listening to
• 1:54:41
  last year's In Memoriam, we were mainly
• 1:54:43
  paying respects to characters who died
• 1:54:45
  in movies, so I prepared
• 1:54:47
  a whole touching tribute to
• 1:54:49
  the unseen parents, one of whom may have been
• 1:54:51
  played by Weird Al, who died in the
• 1:54:53
  Playmobil movie
• 1:54:55
  fictional characters that died in these films
• 1:54:57
  yes, exactly, Joey Warhorse's boyfriend
• 1:54:59
  who we lost
• 1:55:01
  the entire cast of In Dreams
• 1:55:05
  wow
• 1:55:07
  not the detective, he survived
• 1:55:09
  the detective lives to tell the sordid
• 1:55:11
  tale of In Dreams
• 1:55:13
  and of course, Roy Brocksmith's
• 1:55:15
  character on the road to Wellville
• 1:55:17
  who dies of a heart attack
• 1:55:19
  pour some oatmeal out for that king
• 1:55:21
  I'm trying to think if there's
• 1:55:23
  an infamous character death
• 1:55:25
  this season
• 1:55:27
  I'm not going to say all of the
• 1:55:29
  NPC Nazis in
• 1:55:31
  Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare
• 1:55:33
  no, twice as many please, let Alan Richardson
• 1:55:35
  go nuts
• 1:55:37
  does Rose Byrne die at the end of Wicker Park?
• 1:55:39
  no
• 1:55:41
  I mean, her relationship
• 1:55:43
  with Shaggy dies
• 1:55:45
  but that's about it
• 1:55:47
  does
• 1:55:49
  anyone die in Cirque du Freak?
• 1:55:51
  well, the kid
• 1:55:53
  fakes his death, his family thinks he's
• 1:55:55
  dead, so like
• 1:55:57
  R.I.P. to his younger sister
• 1:55:59
  having a normal, happy childhood
• 1:56:01
  I'll throw an R.I.P.
• 1:56:03
  out to John Hurt
• 1:56:05
  in the Skeleton Key
• 1:56:07
  yeah, I vaguely remember
• 1:56:09
  doesn't he just get body swapped?
• 1:56:11
  does he actually die?
• 1:56:13
  well, he dies eventually in that movie
• 1:56:15
  well, I guess we all do
• 1:56:19
  and
• 1:56:21
  John Hamm, because it was a jump scare
• 1:56:23
  for me, in
• 1:56:25
  Bad Times at El Royale
• 1:56:27
  listening to that with headphones on
• 1:56:29
  just jumped me out of my
• 1:56:31
  chair, and I'm not susceptible
• 1:56:33
  to that very often, so that got me
• 1:56:35
  a shotgun blast to John Hamm
• 1:56:37
  well, at least he got to pray with his kid one last time
• 1:56:39
  over the phone
• 1:56:41
  and that has been the
• 1:56:43
  In Memoriam for Season 2
• 1:56:45
  the fictional In Memoriam
• 1:56:47
  let us
• 1:56:49
  just look forward
• 1:56:51
  Truman, we have a time machine here
• 1:56:53
  and I want to look forward to Season 3
• 1:56:55
  what do you want?
• 1:56:57
  what do you expect? what do you
• 1:56:59
  dread?
• 1:57:01
  I mean, what I
• 1:57:03
  want, I think
• 1:57:05
  is to get at least
• 1:57:07
  one more Roy Brocksmith
• 1:57:09
  movie in there, we've hit a Brocksmith every
• 1:57:11
  season, whenever we jump back to the
• 1:57:13
  90s, we get at least one
• 1:57:15
  so, that would
• 1:57:17
  bring me some joy
• 1:57:19
  and, you know, boy
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  I mean, what do I
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  dread? what do I fear?
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  I mean
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  boy, I don't, that's the thing
• 1:57:29
  I don't know, these movies have been forgotten
• 1:57:31
  most of the time we get the movie and I'm like, I've never heard
• 1:57:33
  of this before, I don't know what to expect or what
• 1:57:35
  to be afraid of
• 1:57:37
  what are you holding in store
• 1:57:39
  for the new season?
• 1:57:41
  I definitely have become
• 1:57:43
  a little trepidatious around
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  Oscar bait movies
• 1:57:47
  War Horse wasn't
• 1:57:49
  as grueling
• 1:57:51
  as Boat Boys, but
• 1:57:53
  man, it was a slog
• 1:57:55
  yeah, it's long, it's a long
• 1:57:57
  slog, it's so long, yeah
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  and
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  yeah, I just
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  I'm a little bit like, if I see a date
• 1:58:05
  that comes up as December 25th
• 1:58:07
  I'm gonna be like, oh boy, oh no, oh god
• 1:58:09
  bad times, that's
• 1:58:11
  got me a little scared, I'll be honest
• 1:58:13
  what I
• 1:58:15
  look forward to is, I hope
• 1:58:17
  we get more surprises
• 1:58:19
  like Hotel Artemis and like
• 1:58:21
  maybe revisiting
• 1:58:23
  something that I've forgotten like Meteor
• 1:58:25
  Man, like, those are high points
• 1:58:27
  for me, I hope we get something
• 1:58:29
  where I'm like, oh yeah, I haven't
• 1:58:31
  seen this movie in 20 years, I have no
• 1:58:33
  idea if this is gonna be fun
• 1:58:35
  or terrible. Yeah, yeah
• 1:58:37
  it would be, yeah, revisiting
• 1:58:39
  Bandits this year was really fun, so it
• 1:58:41
  would be good if the machine gives us something
• 1:58:43
  that like, yeah, we have some positive prior
• 1:58:45
  experience with, that we can
• 1:58:47
  evaluate whether we had good taste as children
• 1:58:49
  or not. Yeah, something
• 1:58:51
  like Bandits, but I'm also
• 1:58:53
  very open to like, something like
• 1:58:55
  Hotel Artemis where we had no experience
• 1:58:57
  going in. True.
• 1:58:59
  So, yeah, that's kind of what
• 1:59:01
  I'm hoping and looking forward to.
• 1:59:03
  So what you're saying is you're hoping we get to watch
• 1:59:05
  some good movies next year.
• 1:59:07
  You hope the movies are good
• 1:59:09
  instead of bad.
• 1:59:11
  Yeah, but it's like, a surprise
• 1:59:13
  factor to them. Yeah.
• 1:59:15
  There are gonna be certain movies going into it
• 1:59:17
  that I'm just like, oh I'll probably end up liking that
• 1:59:19
  but like
• 1:59:21
  one that I'm like, would never have
• 1:59:23
  given the light of day and then
• 1:59:25
  be surprised by the
• 1:59:27
  experience. Yeah, that's the beauty
• 1:59:29
  of this is that for every five
• 1:59:31
  losers
• 1:59:33
  or banger sisters,
• 1:59:35
  we get one Artemis
• 1:59:37
  or we get one The Mexican or something.
• 1:59:39
  Yeah, that's true.
• 1:59:41
  Well,
• 1:59:43
  Truman, that wraps up season
• 1:59:45
  two. I think
• 1:59:47
  with all of our crossover episodes, we
• 1:59:49
  now have
• 1:59:51
  enough energy to
• 1:59:53
  hit the button and
• 1:59:55
  go into season three.
• 1:59:57
  I'm a little nervous to do so, though.
• 1:59:59
  Yeah, I mean, it's great. I think that
• 2:00:01
  honestly, this whole kind of drawing energy
• 2:00:03
  from our other show things, it's been going
• 2:00:05
  so well that we haven't even really mentioned
• 2:00:07
  the fuel crisis we've been having with the machine
• 2:00:09
  all episode long, which shows how
• 2:00:11
  comfortable we are.
• 2:00:13
  All the readings are good,
• 2:00:15
  so it's looking like
• 2:00:17
  we don't have to do any more hot wiring or weird jiggery
• 2:00:19
  pokery with the machine. I think if we just
• 2:00:21
  push the button, it'll tell us where we're
• 2:00:23
  going to start season three.
• 2:00:25
  Okay, well,
• 2:00:27
  go ahead and hit it.
• 2:00:29
  Alright.
• 2:00:31
  Hey, it worked.
• 2:00:33
  Alright, thank God.
• 2:00:35
  It says we're going to August
• 2:00:37
  14th, 2015.
• 2:00:39
  Okay, seems like a good era.
• 2:00:41
  Well, we're not in the mid-aughts.
• 2:00:43
  That's a promising start. That's a refreshing
• 2:00:45
  change. Yeah, okay, I think we're going to be off to a
• 2:00:47
  much better start than we were last year.
• 2:00:49
  Alright,
• 2:00:51
  here is the clue. It says
• 2:00:53
  a higher class
• 2:00:55
  of hero. Hmm.
• 2:00:57
  Interesting. Okay, kind of
• 2:00:59
  like, could be a stoner comedy.
• 2:01:01
  Could be a superhero
• 2:01:03
  movie. We haven't done one of those except
• 2:01:05
  Meteor Man. Yeah, okay.
• 2:01:07
  Well, it's tough stuff to beat if we get that.
• 2:01:09
  Alright, okay.
• 2:01:11
  A higher class of hero.
• 2:01:13
  A stoner superhero
• 2:01:15
  comedy. I mean, that's sort of the movie
• 2:01:17
  Hancock a little bit.
• 2:01:19
  Yeah, and Kevin
• 2:01:21
  Smith. Yeah. I can't remember the
• 2:01:23
  Blunt Man and... Blunt Man and Crime
• 2:01:25
  Boy or whatever. Boy, that's...
• 2:01:27
  Talk about a whole forgotten oeuvre of movies.
• 2:01:29
  Um...
• 2:01:31
  Yeah, okay, a higher class of
• 2:01:33
  hero. You know what? I love that. It could
• 2:01:35
  be... I mean, I guess it speaks
• 2:01:37
  a little bit. Like, higher class. Like, maybe
• 2:01:39
  it's like some kind of, like, more
• 2:01:41
  luxurious hero or
• 2:01:43
  something. Yeah. Oh, wait, there's a little
• 2:01:45
  bit more. Oh.
• 2:01:47
  Wow, okay. I wonder if this is a new thing for
• 2:01:49
  Season 3. Wait, you get a bit more of the clue here.
• 2:01:51
  Yeah, you gotta unfold the paper
• 2:01:53
  a little bit more. What does it say?
• 2:01:55
  Rated PG-13. Okay.
• 2:01:57
  For action violence, some suggestive
• 2:01:59
  content and partial nudity.
• 2:02:01
  Oh, that's fun. Okay. A butt?
• 2:02:03
  We're gonna get a butt. We're gonna get a butt?
• 2:02:05
  Okay, there's big competition already
• 2:02:07
  for the Outstanding Achievement in Butts Award
• 2:02:09
  for next year.
• 2:02:11
  Oh, wait, there's even more here.
• 2:02:13
  Yeah.
• 2:02:15
  Oh, no.
• 2:02:17
  Wait, all the color's drained out of your face. What's going on, man?
• 2:02:21
  Look at the clue.
• 2:02:23
  Look at it.
• 2:02:25
  Oh, no. Look at the paper.
• 2:02:27
  Guy Ritchie?
• 2:02:29
  No!
• 2:02:45
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