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TRAVIS REGNIER: Spite, Tour Stories, Drumming Secrets & Festival Chaos! · The Downbeat

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Sad 1 today guys. Very sad one.
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This is the last episode of the podcast in this studio.
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I have moved, if you're watching this, I have moved to Nashville,
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TN. Why was it a manic episode?
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I don't really know. A bunch of reasons.
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One of the massive reasons being the podcast.
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So by now I'm already building a new studio.
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I'm figuring out hopefully, hopefully I'm not deceased from
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the stress. And this week's guest, Travis
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Renier, is a fitting last guest for the studio.
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He is a drummer. He plays for spite.
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I caught him filling in for Silosis.
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He's big on Instagram. Incredible metal drummer.
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But also when I met him at Nam, he is probably the biggest
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downbeat podcast fan of all time.
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And he knew stuff from early episodes that I didn't even know
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about. And it was really cool.
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And his career has got to a point where I'm, you know, I'm
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not big enough the podcast, but you know, it's quite big.
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He's, you know, I'd love, regardless of his history with
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So it's a really nice way to round off, I guess, season 2 of
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It's Travis Renier on the downbeat podcast.
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I'm there was just about come in with your second name is if I
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knew it but I forgot it immediately.
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Renier. Renier Yeah, such a regal name.
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Why do you go by the name Drummer?
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Because marketing wise, if somebody wants to look me up
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branding wise, Travis drummer, you ever like been like, oh,
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what's that fucking guy's name? And you got to look up his last
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name. It's like.
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Yeah, but then when you have to look up your real name, I don't
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know your fucking real name. I'm not remembering that.
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How's that spelled? R e.g.
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NIER. R e.g.
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N what? Ier.
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Yeah, it's nice though. Also people see it and they
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pronounce like Ragnier. Ragnier That's what I'd say.
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Reindeer. Reindeer.
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And you could be Rainlord. Rainlord too.
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Rainlord, Welcome to the downbeat.
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Fucking finally. You've got the the fan to fan to
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guess pipeline. This is fucking trippy to say
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the least. Thanks.
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I was thinking about this the other day.
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There was a so like, I've, I've watched this podcast since the
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first episode, the J episode, Not, not Rudy, that real fan
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shit. 2018. I remember.
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Yeah. There's like a family flying
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around the room and you're like in the middle of the podcast.
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Stop the Fly. Yeah.
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I've listened to this shit since then.
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And the Rudy episode was the episode that made me want to put
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videos in the Internet. So that's how that that's how
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all of this started for me, really.
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So that's so cool. And then at a certain point, you
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followed me back some point and I was like, OK, maybe I could do
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this one day because you're doing like, remote audio shit.
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Yeah. And then when you switch to the
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video, I don't remember what episode it was, but you had
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somebody like big. And I was like, oh, this is this
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is way outside of my, my like reach now.
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So to actually be here finally is fucking crazy.
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We made it fucking work, bro. We did.
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I think what was the first the first video is funny because if
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you're watching this, but this is actually the last episode in
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this space. Yeah, So it's quite a quite a
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nice little. I don't think anyone other than
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Spirit Box who like already listened to the podcast.
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I don't anyone's been like you are like an actual fan of the
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podcast. Yeah, when we were at Nam, I
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kept asking you shit and you're like, you know more about this
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shit than. That yeah, you were asking me
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like mad questions from like five years ago.
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I was like. Fuck, dude, that, that like
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fucking feels crazy that some of that shit was five years ago
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now. I mean, I'm sure for you too.
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It's got to be crazy. Yeah, like I got YouTube comment
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yesterday. I've been thinking about it all
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day. Someone was like, bro, are you
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OK If you need to see a doctor, your face is sunken in.
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I saw it on your and I was like, I'm just getting old in front of
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you. That's it.
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That's all that's happening. I've lost a bit of weight and
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I'm getting old. Unfortunately, you are going to
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have to watch me wither. Aren't people on the Internet
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fucking great? The best.
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I do like that you also clap back though.
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Have you seen on my Instagram, I have like on my highlights on
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the page, I have one called biggest fans.
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And so it's it's it's immortalized.
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Oh. Yeah, I should have done that.
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Yeah. So do not get reported.
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I get reported all the time. It must be just one person that
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just goes. Bullying.
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Yeah, I mean. Bullying I.
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Don't know, I haven't really like been like too actively
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online since I started touring, so at least not the way I was so
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and the shit that I was getting like negative comments for was
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like, you know, blast piece over Mariah Carey or whatever.
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So it's like old heads as we're now.
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It's just like live drum cams and like those fucking guys
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don't see that shit, you know? I'd like to see them without
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triggers. Do you get that one?
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Oh yeah, yeah, I the one I get the most or got a lot was that I
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was speeding up my footage because of like how it looked.
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But it's because I film in 60 FPS like the way symbols look
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when you film in a high frame rate.
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It does. I'll admit it does look speed
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up. But also, if you weren't doing
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that, they'd be like, they'd be like me going on that snare
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drum. There's no, there's no snare
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drum getting hit there. So yeah, because it's 30 frames
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a second and the song's 280 BPM. Yeah.
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Do some maths. I'm not doing fucking math,
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dude. Did Canadians say math or maths?
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Maths. I'm going to be AUS guy soon.
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Yeah, but some people are watching this.
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You're. Going to be proper US guy I'm.
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Going to be. Dude, you're in the fucking.
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You're in the South. Hell yeah.
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Brother, dude, you in Nashville is going to be crazy.
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I wanted to write for the bit. I wanted to day one get a Dodge
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Charger and a gun and on day and on day one just do a vlog and
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just like just like do a new character and just continue that
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character on and see what happens just for a bit.
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But 01 visa, you can't get a gun and you can't rent a car.
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You can't finance a car. Oh, so I'm starting from
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scratch. So did you have to get a new
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visa for that? My visa was up for renew renewal
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in July, the Stray 1, so I only have Stray work until July
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anyway because we're touring and all of that stuff.
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So I've applied for a new visa which is like content creator
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thing. That seems like a nightmare to
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get. I mean, all Americans don't be
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knowing anything about how hard it is to get into their country.
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Hey, it's. Fucking insane.
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Dude, it's fucked. Well, you want.
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AP1 or not P. One, and right now the wait time
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is it's normally 90 days, at least for me and right now it's
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180 days. And so like spite is recording
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in the new year and my I realized my visa expired right
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before that but I feel like I just got it like the way I do my
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P1 or sorry I'm on P2 not P1. I don't know the difference.
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I don't remember the difference, but usually AP 2 is only good
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for like the length of a tour. But because Spite's an American,
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because Spite's an American band, we can set up an itinerary
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for the whole year, and you can do a maximum of a.
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Year. So that's what I used to do.
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Yeah, So that's what I'm doing now.
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Yeah. You're you're.
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Why don't they give you an O one?
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Well. We keep meaning to, but we we
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got to get there first, you know, we're constantly doing
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shit. We didn't know 1-3 years ago
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with me. And to be honest, the like it is
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harder to get because you need to be like on the application
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shares like which Grammy have you won and all this shit.
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But if you have enough online shit now you can get it.
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But it lasts for three years and you renew it, it's another three
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years. This I'm hoping will be my last
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P2 for them. They're always sick as well
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because when you get to the border, they go like, you know,
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the P There's like those questions.
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They'll be like. Sometimes.
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What are you doing this time? Blah, blah, blah.
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All this stuff and 01 they go. Literally last time I went to
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America, the 01, the border security guard, they went 001
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and I went, yeah. Anyway, you must be real good.
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Bumped. That was it.
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Fuck yeah. You don't even know what I do.
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The thing that drives me the most insane about the P2 is that
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half of the time they don't even open the envelope and I get to
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the border, show them where I'm going.
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Like, do you have a visa? And I go Yep.
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And I pop down the envelope that I got in the mail with my visa
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and the top's torn off. And see it poking out.
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And they just go OK, and I'm like, all that for.
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So expensive. It's not too bad for AP2.
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It's I mean it doesn't come out of my pocket, but like it's like
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I want to say about 1000 bucks USD said and done.
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But if you need the rush fee, which we had to do once. 3
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grand. Yeah, it's like 3500 extra.
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Yeah, I just had to do that. OK.
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So the O1 is the O 1 is basically it is more expensive,
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but it's the way that's. Yeah, when you need a lawyer and
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shit too, I think, don't you? Oh.
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You don't need a lawyer. No, I just, I literally do it
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myself. What?
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You do it yourself. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, I need
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some shit from the band. I need a couple signatures, but
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fuck that it it's pretty simple. And what I was getting at,
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though, when I started talking about this visa shit was because
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spice recording the new year and the wait times way longer than
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normal right now. It was like like I just got off
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to her like a week before this started and I had no time to
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practice on that tour. So I ended up doing like 810
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hours a day in my jam space just working on the silos this shit.
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And I like two or three days before I left.
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I was like doing the math and I was like fuck, I need to file a
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visa like right now or else I'm not recording this fucking
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album. So because if I wait till I get
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home, it'll be it'll be too late by the time it gets approved.
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So I had to throw visa together and I put it in the fucking mail
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like hours before my flight. You fucked up by doing that
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yourself because they're never going to pay for you to get
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another one now because they're going to go.
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You'll just do it. I mean they had to pay the rush
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fee once and it's a pain in the fucking ass and.
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Just checking, I worry about you.
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I hired gun. I worry about you for now.
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What are you going to? Do what do you mean?
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Are they going to you going to join something?
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We got some, we got some conversations happening.
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Good for you, Yeah. What's your day rate?
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What's my day rate on the record?
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I don't think I can say that. No, I know, I know.
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It's sometimes I'll say. Something and people would just
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tell me I'm like, I'm sick. I mean, I'll tell you off the
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record, but when I first started with them, I had the first tour
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I did was Spike was my third tour ever.
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And like my first two tours with my other band, Carcosa, which
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were like, you know, low, lower tier band tours or whatever.
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And so like I, I couldn't ask for like an insane rate because
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I'm so I'm still still green to a way or to a degree.
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Like, you know, I learn shit every time I'm on tour, but like
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at the end of the day, it's I'm still learning and I'm not going
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to charge like a premium rate even though I know I can RIP.
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It's also like yet, you know, it's like my first couple
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practices with them, you know, like as prepared as I thought I
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was, I still found out the hard way that I wasn't as prepared as
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I need to be. And you know, it's like you
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can't show up with a premium rate with that type of shit, so.
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I mean, people fucking do. They do, and that's why they
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don't get hired again. And.
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Wow dude, that guy's gone off. Wait, I've got a third one.
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Boom. Three, yeah.
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If we're beeping those out, I can.
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I can attest to the fact that I heavily don't fuck with two of
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them. And the first one you said one
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time just unprompted years ago, this is.
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So amazing. I love.
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The you ready for this? Yes, hit me.
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You sent me Adm just replying to one of my videos and was like,
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you're not going to be able to walk if you keep playing like
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that in 10 years. And I was like, oh, that's I was
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in the shower and my phone. I used to like listen to music
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in the shower. He was looking at you in the
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shower going. You ain't going to be able to
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walk when I was finished with you.
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That's right. No, he yeah, he, he sent me Adm
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and he was like, yeah, no, your your technique's fucked.
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And I was like, shit, that's crazy.
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Like do you have any tech, like any tips to help me prevent
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that? And he's like, not anything I
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could I not enough that I could explain in the DMS, but if you
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ever want to do a private lesson and I was like, OK.
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And I was like, there, there it is.
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And you said I'm good, bro. I did.
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I left him on red. Fuck yeah.
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I love leaving huge people on red.
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I've got like a list of people that I've left on red.
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Funny thing about the person that we're talking about, I
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heard from someone else the reason he does that unsolicited
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DM thing is so that that person gets a lesson and that person is
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impressive and then he adds that person to his I taught this
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person so he can look like he taught you the speed.
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Maybe at the time though, like I wasn't anybody like this is like
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years. This is years before my
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Instagram blew up. I probably didn't even have 10K.
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How did it get to him then? I used to be really tapped into
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like the algorithm shit and how to like work it.
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And so I would specifically make videos that I knew would end up
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on the fucking like probably end up on the explorer page.
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It was it was a it was a video. So the the particular one that
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he replied to that every time I posted it would get more likes
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than followers it. Was a hot golf go with fishnet.
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Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah, I, I, I did your whole
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Antifa bit. That's my, that's my whole
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explorer. Yeah, no, I it was, it was like
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a Stan Bicknell like heel toe. Like I take the floor Tom out
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and like put my phone there. That's the guy I was just
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talking about. I can like, you know, yeah, and
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do all that shit. And so every time I posted that,
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I'd never use it for anything, but like, I can do it.
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And I know it's one of those party tricks that like brings in
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the views. So I used to post a lot of
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videos of that and that was the one that that he replied to so.
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That's funny, because he is that Stan Bicknell is actually the
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person I was talking about. The same.
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The same thing. Yeah.
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He hates those videos. Anyway, These people don't know
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who we're talking about. You can guess who we're talking
15:49
about. It's Tim.
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Yes. Oh, what you gonna do?
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I've heard he's very angry. Probably it's funny because I.
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Have a fight. I've got such a fight in me at
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the moment, Yeah, I don't want to have a fucking fight.
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We could fight. Do Celebrity Deathmatch.
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I don't get anything out here I want like a Tim Lambesis.
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I'll not bump into Tim Lambesis and just go oh you're A and then
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oh Buck Simon, cut out the C word, please.
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That's right, you can't say that anymore.
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Is that the only one to get? Demonetised.
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Can I say and we bleep it out. So like because the the press,
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the press from that fight be amazing.
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That would be a good one, Jake Paul versus.
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Absolute ass kicked, but maybe it'd be good.
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He's big. Yeah.
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What are we talking about? All right, there we go.
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So there's. Anything have you?
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Given up on trying to gain the algorithm or what?
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Which, yeah, I have. I want to do content.
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I was just talking to Josh about this last night.
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I grew up like I'm born in 98, so when I was 10 years old,
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2008. When's your birthday?
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January 15th. Capricorn.
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Yeah. Interesting. 27 soon carry on.
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I was born in 98 so when I was like 10 years old 2008 YouTube
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starting to pop like the first ever like wave of YouTube
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drummers like when YouTube before Google bought it and it
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was like this whole. Fucking 2000 and seven 2000.
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And seven, 2008 like around there when when it was like
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actually just good shit. And it was, there was no filler.
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It was just people like, what do we do with this?
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And so I grew up obsessed with being on the laptop in the house
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and just like drum forums, YouTube videos.
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How Dramas Forum. Oh yeah, just like all that
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shit. And I fucking loved being online
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and watching drum videos. So ever since I was a kid I've
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always wanted to do that. I remember when Luke Holland
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first popped and all that shit. And initially I wanted to be
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like AI, wanted to do like YouTube drum covers and be like
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all those guys. But I mean at at this point like
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I have 0 interest in doing that shit because.
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Does I make any money? I hate learning songs unless I'm
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getting paid 100. Percent exactly the same.
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And yeah, it doesn't make money, it's just it's the whole thing
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and and I also like don't play songs no for no.
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So I do really still want to do content and the 1st up until
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recently, probably up until my last couple tours, I tried
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really hard to like do content on tour and I just never was
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able to like get it to where I wanted to.
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But I think that I, I just realized that like I'm still
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learning how to tour. I'm still I've been touring
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realistically, other than one other tour that I did the
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beginning of that year, I've only been touring for about 14
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months, realistically. Really.
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Yeah, my because that spite tour I did last year, which is just
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over a year ago now, was my third tour ever.
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And I went into that the day after, like the next day I after
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I finished a Carcosa tour and then I went that was a triple
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tour because Spike had another tour immediately after that
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August when it's read in the States that I did.
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So I've like given myself the like the past to be like, OK,
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you know what? Just learn how to tour, enjoy
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the shows and worry about that later.
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So I'm like the odd time I'll set up my phone and like do like
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a little drum Cam. But like I tried flogging and I
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was like, I don't really like this.
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I just, I don't know, I have probably like 3 or 4 terabytes
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of footage, whether it be like vlogging, shit behind the
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scenes, shit drum cams, who fucking knows.
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Like I've tried to do the thing where I set up my GoPro or my
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phone and then I get the stems from the fucking like our front
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of house. But like the whole time I've
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done content from home. Like when things started working
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for me online, it's when I figured out that if I just
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sacrifice the the quality that I have in my head, that's like
19:34
probably unattainable for what I'm doing at the at that moment.
19:38
It was if I just streamline it because I'm so fucking ADHD.
19:41
But if I don't like immediately finish it, Yep I'm not ever
19:46
going to post it and like. Fucking around with editing.
19:48
Exactly. So, you know, like God, it's.
19:50
Syncing up the video and the audio we're insane.
19:52
Getting it, getting the fucking like tracks from front of house
19:55
and mixing it, fucking lining up the video.
19:57
If you film it on an iPhone, it's got like a weird frame rate
20:00
and it actually doesn't line up with the fucking audio.
20:03
It's a nightmare. And so that like my whole rig
20:06
for like making videos on Instagram for the longest time
20:09
was. It's just my momma's iPhone 6
20:12
because I was ashamed to admit a diehard Android guy at the time.
20:17
So that's a whole other thing. That's a whole other thing, but
20:20
my momma's iPhone 6 and a Roland Go mixer that plugged in like a
20:25
little phone interface and then I just ran the EAD into that and
20:28
so I. Used to stream.
20:29
And then I didn't have to do anything because, yeah,
20:31
literally, like you fucking press record on the phone and
20:33
the fucking drum audio would just sync up to the video
20:35
automatically in your fucking Apple filming app or whatever.
20:39
And all I had to do was like, cut it down to like, I would
20:43
film for like 20 minutes. I'd just improv.
20:44
I'd just fuck around. And then, you know, like film
20:47
for 30 minutes. And then I'd like, there's a
20:48
week's worth of videos. And now having to be like put in
20:52
like 5 hours for a 2 minute Instagram videos like that.
20:56
So I'm either waiting till I can figure out an easier way to do
21:00
it similar to how I did it back then but live, or I can just
21:04
like hire somebody just do it for me.
21:06
Yeah, I mean, what I do now is exactly what you're mentioning,
21:11
which I started on the EAD, but I've made it a stupid rig.
21:15
But it is just I press record. It's not even that I'm on
21:18
stream. I'll do the whole stream live 2
21:20
hours and then at the end I download the stream and then
21:24
it's like, well, I'll just cut this out of there and it has the
21:27
double effect of like I've done all the work I'm I don't have to
21:32
work anymore. The drums was the work, the
21:33
maybe I'll cut the video out or whatever.
21:36
But then also you can't edit because it's baked in.
21:41
So you just have to be good. And if you weren't good, you
21:43
have to practice to be good. I don't even even then I can't
21:46
be fucked to edit my shit like no.
21:48
That's what I mean. I just, yeah, I just might do
21:49
it. I just, I'll rather do like if,
21:51
if I'm at home filming a video when I, it's been a while, but
21:54
when I do film shit at home, I'll just spend the extra time
21:57
to get the take I want rather than go in and fucking.
22:01
That's partially like a pride thing.
22:02
And also it's just like I, I don't know how to, I barely know
22:05
what I'm doing when I touch a doll.
22:07
So yeah. I can't remember the last time I
22:08
recorded more than left and right.
22:11
I mean, that's it. At home I do have like a full a
22:15
full rig, which it part of the reason I haven't really filmed
22:19
like anything content wise at home for a long time is like
22:22
when I get home from tour. My jam space has progressively
22:26
gotten more and more fucked because I've toured so much over
22:28
the last year and a bit that like I haven't had enough time
22:32
to like reset, tear it apart and clean everything up.
22:35
And like my mic cables are fucking everywhere.
22:37
I forgot how to use Reaper. Like I don't know what is what.
22:41
I don't even know where half my mics are.
22:43
Like the goal eventually is to have enough shit like enough
22:46
gear that that kit doesn't and I don't have to take anything off
22:49
of it. So when I get home.
22:50
I had but I'm about to move. Yeah, well, you're about to move
22:54
continent. I know it's so dumb.
22:56
I don't know what fucking doing every day I spend 3 hours going.
23:00
Is this the biggest mistake I'm ever going to make?
23:01
I think it'd be spent three hours going Nah, this is.
23:04
It as far as this shit goes, among many other benefits of
23:08
living in the US other than maybe getting shot.
23:10
Quite up for that though, yeah. Seems.
23:12
Like a quick way to go. Come on dude, depends how it
23:14
goes. Even then, like if you survive.
23:16
What if you get shot in the hand?
23:18
Then you go, I've got shot in the hand.
23:19
What? If you get shot in the way
23:20
right-handed then you can't even fucking wank it.
23:22
Definitely put it off on the left, yeah.
23:24
I've got. A girlfriend.
23:26
A little girlfriend. All right.
23:28
And when you got a girlfriend? Yeah, I'm wanking.
23:30
Have you got a girlfriend? I am.
23:32
I mean, on tour maybe. Yeah.
23:35
You're still you're still cracking.
23:36
I mean, I'm young and spry dude, I guess I'm 26.
23:40
Dudes fucking load it up. Save it up.
23:42
This is gross. This is gross.
23:45
I knew. That this podcast was going to
23:46
be fucked. What were we even talking about
23:48
living in the States? Online content and then we moved
23:51
to living in the States. Yeah, for dude, like being in
23:53
Nashville for this shit's going to be crazy.
23:54
Crazy. Yeah.
23:55
So you're the cool thing is like I posted for the first time on
23:58
my story, like blah, blah, blah, moving to national or whatever,
24:02
and the amount of people that hit me up and was like, oh,
24:04
where? And I told them where and they
24:05
were like, oh, we're neighbors. I'm like 4 minutes away from
24:07
you. That's like so many people.
24:09
How far are you from like downtown?
24:10
I mean, east, so not far, yeah. I think it's like a fucking 10
24:14
minute drive or something. Word.
24:15
Well, the next time I come out there to film videos, we'll have
24:17
to meet. Up.
24:18
Yeah, we'll meet up at the fucking factory.
24:21
Except it's not a factory because it's a franchise.
24:23
Sorry, who are you talking about, Craig?
24:25
I'm talking about a symbol company.
24:26
The symbol company I started playing because you were playing
24:29
them. I mean, good for the everyone
24:31
involved except me. Yeah, I was just going to say
24:34
about your like being funny online.
24:36
You won't. You want to be careful with
24:37
that. I I try to.
24:39
Simon laugh. That's how you know something
24:41
good. Simon fucking laughed.
24:43
I try to keep it somewhat civil because I as as much as I'd love
24:48
to be as unhinged as you are, I'm still like, I don't make
24:54
enough money to, to do that where I'm just like, or I lost a
24:58
gig or I lost a sponsor and I'm like, whatever, you know, I'm
25:00
like, maybe one day, but. Didn't lose a sponsor by the.
25:04
Way. No, but I'm talking about just
25:05
on my end. I like Chris.
25:08
Me and Chris squashed the beef. He's the best Rep in the fucking
25:11
world. Incorrect, but I like him.
25:14
I like, I like him. There's no like there's no
25:19
anything bad blood. Yeah, that's totally fair.
25:21
I mean, and I've heard that from him.
25:22
Yeah, the. The the bad blood is sprechenzie
25:28
Deutsche regardless. Of who it is the fact that as
25:32
drummers we can be like, hey, I just broke all this shit and I
25:38
need all of it replaced plus a couple extra things in six days
25:43
and then get home from that tour and do the same thing.
25:47
And every time I come home there's just a fucking box of
25:51
symbols at my doors and. What I will say is when I was in
25:56
the States often I wasn't treated like that.
26:00
And it did get annoying interesting.
26:02
Like I had to replace certain symbols and I would get them
26:06
replaced with like I replace like a 20 inch Byzant's crash
26:10
and it would be like a Classics custom crash.
26:11
And I'm like, not the same symbol, guys.
26:16
It's not. It's not great.
26:17
Personally. Maybe it's a stock issue, I
26:19
don't know. Look at me, I mean.
26:20
That does that does happen. I've had it the other way where
26:22
I have like a like classes custom crash and they're like,
26:25
oh, we don't have that. What do you want instead?
26:27
I'm like a Byzant, no problem. I think right And I will say
26:31
this and I, you know, I did leave in a big, big
26:34
unprofessional manner and I. So I've heard.
26:36
Kind of kind of love that about me anyway.
26:39
I just love doing shit like that.
26:40
But I will say this, I think, and this is not me blowing smoke
26:44
up my own ass rare, I think since I left because I, I
26:50
literally smoked everyone when I left.
26:52
I mean, this person's not doing this.
26:54
This person's not doing this. This person's done this.
26:56
You are literally on the on the on the zoom, you need to do
27:01
this, blah, blah, blah, blah. By the way, I'm leaving, I'm
27:03
joining Zildjian because I just fucking.
27:07
But I think since I've done that, from speaking to other
27:10
people, everyone's getting treated better.
27:13
Maybe, yeah, that. Maybe that's it.
27:14
I don't know. Either way, I've never had any
27:16
issues and there's never been a moment where I've been like, I
27:20
need to look for something else, you know?
27:21
Why that is though? Because you are doing you are
27:24
now in the Goldilocks zone. There's not many people in the
27:28
Goldilocks zone which are pumping out shit loads of online
27:32
content, which sells symbols and playing shows, which doesn't
27:36
sell symbols but makes the brand look cool and like it's a real
27:42
thing. Yeah, because Minor I Minor and
27:45
Zildjian took things very differently Before, where
27:49
Zildjian, I feel kind of didn't have enough online content from
27:53
people. And then Minor had too much
27:55
because everyone was like, oh, another influencer playing
27:57
Minor. And then now everyone's like
28:00
finding the middle ground, which is cool.
28:02
I I think regardless of like who, whoever it is and like
28:05
whatever their symbol, brand of choices, whatever Minos done in
28:08
the last like 10 years has completely changed the drum
28:11
industry like the way that other companies approach it.
28:14
Because I think they were like the first company to really give
28:16
online drummers a chance. Like Luke Holland was like, like
28:20
nobody else, none of the other big companies.
28:23
As a business, because it's funny, like I guess some people
28:30
must have thought, oh, online drummings not going to sell
28:33
symbols, but when you think of it, it really fucking is.
28:35
It's going to sell the most amount of.
28:36
Symbols, I mean, the way that I've always looked at it now, I
28:39
mean whatever your opinion, whatever anybody's opinion is
28:42
about online drummers, you know, like those drummers that sit in
28:45
their basements and they do no, but they do like covers and like
28:50
they don't even have the actual audio of they're literally just
28:53
like playing to the track, but they get a million views.
28:56
You know, there's a bunch of those out there and it's like
28:57
regardless of if you're sick or not, it's like the people
29:03
watching your videos are more likely to be drummers then you
29:07
know, like the percentage of them that that would be drummers
29:09
versus percentage of people in the crowd at like 1500 thousand
29:13
cap show didn't matter. It could be a billion people,
29:16
but it's like the actual like specific percentage of people in
29:19
the crowd that are drummers that are going to be like, what
29:23
symbol is he playing? And then actually go buy one
29:26
online versus like at a show. It's it's not even comparable.
29:29
Same with like music magazine or even like if you had ATV ad.
29:32
However, you definitely still need to have people playing the
29:36
symbols live or else everyone's just going to go everyone like
29:41
he's just playing this brand. 100%.
29:43
Side side pivot. Speaking of Canada, when was the
29:45
last time you thought I could drum influencer playing savior
29:49
other than Troy Wright? Influencer.
29:53
Or like a draw like a someone that does loads and loads of
29:55
content. There's not a ton.
29:58
Isn't it interesting if I they're not bad symbols?
30:00
The logo fucking. The new logo is.
30:03
Sabrina the Teenage Witch. To be honest, I didn't have a
30:05
much much of a problem. So before Mile growing up, I was
30:08
a die hard Sabian guy. My dad, well, my dad's a drummer
30:12
and he played Sabian basically forever.
30:15
And so, and yeah, it's, it's Canadian, which in Canada for, I
30:19
don't know about now because I haven't really been in touch
30:21
with like the actual retail side of things.
30:23
But for a long time they were cheaper because the stores got
30:25
them direct from Sabian rather than like from a supplier.
30:29
So like a Byzance would be like 500 bucks and an HHX, an Artisan
30:33
Crash would be like 300 bucks. I think they've gone up a lot
30:36
since then. But that was my my thing with
30:39
Sabian. I had a billion Sabian symbols,
30:42
but I reached out to them some point before I switched to minor
30:46
and they just kind of like brushed me off, which I was
30:50
like, you know, I wasn't by her. I was, I was still not really
30:53
anybody. But then like over COVID working
30:57
at a music store, like I kind of noticed a change in the company.
30:59
And yeah, just like talking to artists, it just, I think that
31:03
the thing about that, the thing about saving is they're a very,
31:06
very small like operation. They're an extremely small
31:10
operation. And I just don't know if they
31:12
have the resources to take care of like drummers at the level
31:17
that a company like Silgen. Or vinyl.
31:18
That's why everyone. Yeah, and, and the problem that
31:21
they had even on the production side of things, is that
31:23
factories in the middle of fucking nowhere.
31:25
It's in Meductic, NB. It is literally literally, I
31:31
don't know what the population of that town is, but like I'm
31:34
sure half of the fucking town works at Sabian and Sabian.
31:37
Sabian's probably like 50 people, if that you know.
31:40
So I think that at the end of the day, I would love to see
31:44
Sabian like figure it out because as a long time saving
31:48
user, I loved their symbols and I I loved just that they were
31:53
Canadian. It was, it was cool.
31:54
You know, the whole story was diligent in the split.
31:56
It was it's very cool, but just like, you know, I I pretty
32:01
quick. I think it was your podcast you
32:04
do with Mike Johnson where you guys were like just gassing up
32:07
Michael and how good they take care of their artists.
32:09
And I started to think about like all the drummers I saw you.
32:11
Back then, yeah, Well, carry on. All the drummers that used
32:15
Michael and then like, you know, like the videos and like flying
32:19
people out and like that wasn't even.
32:21
A That was another beef I had. That was another beef I had.
32:24
I don't know yet. The fuck didn't you fly me out?
32:26
I get it. I was making my own videos.
32:28
But like, because it's like a fucking $5000 flight.
32:31
Oh well, you don't have any money making those fucking
32:33
symbols in that factory for fucking peanuts.
32:35
I mean for the amount of symbols we break, I don't know.
32:37
I know they've got fucking money bro.
32:39
How many? Symbols Are you breaking on a
32:40
tour? Now less yeah fucking honestly
32:44
since the switch. So many less.
32:46
Like maybe 2 at all. Yeah, I'm, I'm down a lot.
32:49
I started like, I mean, when I did my first tour ever, I just
32:55
signed to Milo and I'd only ever used symbols that sounded good
32:58
in a completely soundproof jam space.
33:00
Like my, my jam space built on a total budget, looks good on
33:04
camera. But like dude, it's it's the
33:07
walls are 5 layers of carpet, which we found on marketplace
33:11
for free. Then moving blankets on top the
33:13
ceilings. We put carpet on the ceiling and
33:16
then put moving blankets. It's fucking dead in there.
33:18
So like the symbols I was using at home were like so thin.
33:22
So the first tour I did, I broke basically everything.
33:25
Yeah, I brought 2 sets and I basically broke every single
33:27
thing. But since then I've started
33:29
like. It was like it was the brand.
33:31
No, because now now I've I've I've like changed what I'm using
33:35
into the shit that actually 1 sounds better live for the way I
33:38
play. So you're not using a byzance
33:40
China? I don't use Byzance China
33:42
because I don't like how they sound as much.
33:43
I don't like how they explode if you look at them.
33:46
I have a couple of home that are really good that equilibrium
33:48
China from Macgar I don't. Know the way it sounds.
33:51
Under a fucking close mic though.
33:52
Never broke one but I don't like the way it sounds.
33:54
I don't like the way it feels because I I'm 20 inch.
33:57
China's feel weird to me. I am a 19 guy.
33:59
That was another reason why when it was like I've got an
34:02
opportunity to go to a place with 19 inch.
34:04
China's just perfect for me, Little 19.
34:07
You know, it's funny actually on that note is I remember that
34:09
podcast that you talked about that.
34:10
I don't remember what one it was, but I'm, I very vividly
34:13
remember you talking about it was the MB 10/19 this China got
34:17
rid of it. And I heard that and I at the
34:21
music store I had access to every store in the whole country
34:25
was like 85 of them. And I would constantly just be
34:27
looking for discontinued shit for myself.
34:29
And for like a year, I was trying to hunt one of those
34:31
down. And I was just gonna like, like,
34:33
unsolicited, send it to you. And she'd be like, there you go.
34:36
That have been so sick, my last one.
34:37
Nobody had one. My last one fell down the back
34:41
of a stage in Switzerland and no one could get to the back of the
34:44
stage. I remember.
34:45
I remember there's a venue in Switzerland somewhere that has
34:47
my MB 10. Yeah, I think you said you
34:50
played like. 80 shows on it or it never cracked that's and then
34:54
why wouldn't oh conspiracy. Maybe that's why they just
34:59
continued it. They're not cracking.
35:01
I mean, dude, Invincible China. I use the my main China.
35:05
I use the 18 inch extreme classes custom and I can get
35:10
like 2-3 tours out of one of those and I fucking beat the
35:14
shit out of it 'cause I'm like I like, I don't know if you've
35:16
seen like too many my live videos, but I'm like double
35:18
handing. Like I do the Travis Barker
35:20
thing. Sometimes I do both hands.
35:21
I just. I doesn't sound good I.
35:23
I hit it so hard that on the last tour I broke 2 stands.
35:28
Nice. Like in half the the top of the
35:31
stand where like you, you adjust the angle that snapped off and
35:35
then I have it like boomed off of another stand and I broke the
35:39
clamp and one of the guys at Tomo that's.
35:42
Why I don't use booms? Well, it's not, it's like a,
35:45
it's like it wasn't the actual boom.
35:46
It was like the clamp, but like the guy at Tomo was like, that's
35:50
not the first time that's happened.
35:51
But he was like, you are the only person that's ever broke
35:54
one of these as far as I know. And now you've broken like 3.
35:57
I can't do anything that gets booms.
36:00
Something breaks for me, whether it be that bit that the boom
36:02
comes off or the boom itself, or it goes while I'm playing as I'm
36:06
just going to figure out a setup where I can buy everything
36:08
straight except my ride. Yeah.
36:10
I mean I ideally my goal is to have like stealth rack on each
36:15
side I. Was gonna say and you've got
36:16
enough shit for a rack. A rack?
36:18
Well. I I.
36:19
Got rack at. Home yeah, I got a bunch of rack
36:21
shit. It's it's all, it's all DW shit.
36:23
It's not Tom I when I worked at a music store, I met a ton of
36:26
people that just like would hook me up with deals when they were
36:28
ready to get rid of shit. So I have like an ungodly amount
36:30
of DW rack shit. My whole thing with like, like I
36:33
would love to just have straight stands or whatever.
36:35
If I have individual stands, I need a sandbag on like every leg
36:38
and I use a lot of symbols. You'll see tonight.
36:41
The kit I'm using right now is the biggest kid I've ever toured
36:44
with. Sick.
36:45
So it's it's got a is. It a rental.
36:47
Yeah, there's. It's not really the amount of
36:49
drums, just like the amount of symbols.
36:50
What's what's the kit? Walnut Birch Star Classic 220
36:53
twos 10/12/16 and then I've got 2 chinas, 4 crashes, 2 high
36:59
hats, a ride, a bell and two splashes and a stack.
37:03
Jesus, how many? How many shows you play with
37:04
Silas? 1.
37:06
One how was it? It's.
37:07
Pretty good, a little nerve racking for a couple reasons.
37:11
I've never played to a live mix before ever.
37:13
What do you mean? Like with Spite and Carcosa?
37:18
I play to a click track with scratch guitar.
37:20
Basically the stems. Mine's drums.
37:22
And then what do you have? Like what drums do you have?
37:25
Mine I use my EAD and trigger. Yeah, that's what I use.
37:28
And yeah, so playing to a live mix with Spooky as fuck, you
37:33
know? You bring your Eid and just do.
37:34
This I do, but I'm playing to live guitars like I have to mix
37:37
everything on the fly 'cause it's a little different every
37:39
night and it's not the same because everybody other man
37:41
members can fuck up or maybe it's not perfect.
37:44
Oh shit, you play the scratch guitars?
37:46
Yeah, like a little scratch every.
37:47
So how many bands do that? And that would do with spite.
37:50
They don't even fucking wear earplugs.
37:52
I think I would hate. I love it because when I'm
37:55
practicing at home and I go play live, it's doing the same.
37:58
But yeah, so that was a little spooky last night, but I only
38:01
fucked up like twice enough that maybe be like, oh, there was a
38:05
what? Was Josh Log after?
38:06
The fuck, dude? He was so chill even before we
38:08
went on. He was like, hey, if you fuck up
38:10
it's OK. No, he was so chill, dude.
38:12
He they have all been so cool. It's an hour of fucking music,
38:15
dude. Like, and we did one rehearsal
38:19
when I landed. What the fuck day is it right
38:20
now? Sunday, Sunday.
38:22
I think I landed on Thursday or maybe Wednesday.
38:24
I don't even fucking remember. I don't even know what day.
38:26
I haven't known what day of the week it is for like 2 months but
38:28
I. Never know what day it is.
38:30
But yeah, we did. I got off the plane at 3:00 PM
38:33
and we did. I went straight to rehearsal and
38:36
we did one practice. Josh ended up leaving early
38:38
because he's still super jet lag from getting back from the
38:40
States from their other tour. Yeah.
38:42
So we basically ran through the set once.
38:44
It was like cool. And then Ali played the first
38:46
show, Thank fucking God, because I only got one hour sleep that
38:49
night. So jet lagged during the path,
38:52
their new song. My mix was like, I mainly could
38:55
hear click. I didn't have the guitars loud
38:57
enough and I I had the vocals, but like not super loud.
39:01
And I was like, we're doing one of the choruses and I was like,
39:04
I can't remember what part comes next because I can't really hear
39:08
what's going on. That song has a feature from Deb
39:10
from Harriet and the night before she came out did it.
39:12
So I'm like, Hey, I'll just look around and wait for her to come
39:15
out and then I'll know where in that section.
39:16
So I looked around, she wasn't there.
39:17
And I'm like, hey, so I went into like, I went into like the
39:20
the part that's after her feature and it turns out she
39:26
just wasn't doing the feature last night.
39:27
Some vocal rest. So and, and that part is
39:29
supposed to just be like on the kick drum.
39:32
And I went full into like and Josh just turned around and was
39:35
like, so that sucked. It's whatever.
39:39
And then in calcified, there's like this weird on the album.
39:44
It's not a Tom hit. It's like this weird industrial
39:46
like sample and I didn't know I was playing it.
39:48
And it's on this weird like upbeat.
39:51
And the first night I saw Ali do it and I was like, oh fuck, I
39:53
need to figure that out because I always like was like, it's in
39:55
a weird time and. What happened in practice?
39:57
I got it in practice, but live I just like it's it's like 3 Tom
40:02
hits and then a snare hit pick up like and I I did the three
40:07
Tom hits on the off beats, right, But the snare you have to
40:10
wait like an extra not a beat was the fucking an extra eighth
40:15
note and I didn't and I went in. Like 1/2 beat early and so I had
40:22
to like recover from that. So otherwise pretty solid.
40:25
You know, I'm hope, I hope tonight's a little better, but I
40:27
don't know. I'm not.
40:28
They've made it like they made me so comfortable that I'm not
40:31
really stressing. A lot of silosis is just the
40:33
same tempo the whole way through as well.
40:35
There's a good This setlist is a good mix of old and new, so.
40:39
No, I mean like per song. Yeah, there's not a ton of time
40:43
changes. No, I could.
40:44
I like that because when I had to make clicks, it was super
40:46
easy. Spite is not like that.
40:48
They had like, art. Clicks.
40:49
Yeah, it's like 3:00 PM three BPM time change or something,
40:52
you know? I love that though.
40:54
Or like the audio feel. Here's a bar of three for no
40:56
reason. I've got to do a tour in
40:58
February, the biggest fucking support tour we've ever done.
41:01
Is that the spirit box for everyone?
41:02
Yeah, I've got, no, I don't know where I'm going to practice.
41:07
I mean, I've got a kit in Nashville.
41:08
I've got symbols. I don't have pedals, but time is
41:11
the fucking best, I'm sure. Yeah, fucking I have some more
41:14
fucking pedals please. But like, I'm like, when am I
41:17
going to practice? Yeah.
41:19
I've got all the January off though and I should be settled
41:21
by then so it'll be fine. I have so much fucking time off
41:23
after this, I can't wait. How much you got?
41:26
Well, Spike might do a small tour in like March sometime, but
41:33
that's not really fully set in stone yet.
41:36
And then we're recording and then I don't think our next, I
41:39
think the next like proper full month long tour that's booked is
41:42
like October, Jesus. And I don't think anything else.
41:45
Are you like stoked for that or? So excited.
41:47
Yeah, but for how long? Because I'm like that.
41:50
I've had a year off pretty much, and I'm like fucking chomping at
41:53
the bit. I want to go and play some
41:54
fucking. I'm dying because I have
41:56
content. Shit, I want to get to my jam
41:58
space and he's fucking dealt with Mike.
41:59
What? Are you doing for money when
42:00
you're not on tour? I've haven't had to worry about
42:02
that because I've been touring so much, so I don't know.
42:05
I'll figure it out, you know. It's kind of under got the
42:08
Instagram creative fund, Yeah, so.
42:10
Never made a second. Way, the minute I get my Social
42:13
Security number, I've got so much money just in that bank
42:16
because like you can't get it out can.
42:18
You, I don't even think I, I don't even think there's any in
42:20
there for them. I don't even think we have like
42:21
access to that for. Some reason I did and it was
42:24
like like sign up for the create a bonus thing and I've just been
42:29
racking up these bonuses. But then when I go to take it
42:32
out, it's like enter your US address and Social Security
42:35
number. And I don't have that.
42:36
And now I'm just gonna get a little fucking payday when I go
42:39
over there. That was one I thought about
42:40
moving to the states for that reason, but honestly I don't
42:43
think I could live anywhere but around Vancouver.
42:46
Just so used to it. You live specifically in that
42:48
bit where all the drugs are? Fuck no.
42:50
That's the only bit I've ever been to it.
42:51
Sucks that most musicians go to Vancouver and that's all they
42:54
know. What's the the rickshaw?
42:55
Yeah, Rickshaw. Tasting St.
42:57
Baby. That is like the most insane
42:59
shit I've ever seen. It's like it's fucking Requiem
43:02
for a dream. I'm.
43:03
Used to it because like my dad started taking me to shows when
43:05
I was so young and like he would like sometimes play shows and it
43:11
would be like a shitty bar down there.
43:13
He used to be in like a Metallica tribute and.
43:15
Yeah, Dad. Yeah, so how?
43:18
Old's your dad. I think he's 51 now, 52.
43:22
I'm a terrible son. Sometimes I like it and
43:24
sometimes I hate it when I'm hanging out with someone that's
43:26
like your age. And I'm like, how old your
43:28
parents? And they're like, yeah, 43.
43:29
And I'm like, I am closer to your parent than I am your
43:33
friend. Yeah.
43:35
I was just like introduced to that area so young that it's
43:41
kind of desensitized. I don't know.
43:42
I didn't really think, obviously it's fucked, but like.
43:44
It's not like then they're just drug addicts.
43:47
They're not like that. Violent, That's what I was
43:49
getting to, but now what I've started touring and I see the
43:51
other places, the the vibe on East Hastings different because
43:55
it's one of visually it's like one of the worst fucking things
43:59
you've ever seen on tour. But I don't necessarily feel
44:03
unsafe. Most of the time.
44:04
You know, like if I was walking alone in the middle of the night
44:07
with a shit load of valuable things clearly on me, maybe.
44:10
But like it compared to like Skid Row in LA, it's like the
44:14
vibe like it's just kind of sad. And, and the thing about E
44:17
Hastings is that it kind of began because there was like a
44:23
really fucked up mental hospital in that area that was around for
44:27
like 100 years that closed down. And I'm pretty sure when they
44:29
closed down, they were kind of just like, all right, you know,
44:33
like, like one of those mental hospitals where, like, people
44:34
get sent to that shouldn't be there or whatever.
44:36
And a lot of those people had nowhere to go.
44:38
And I think that that that's part of it.
44:39
And then the other part of it is like, Vancouver's like really
44:42
the only big city in Canada. You could survive a winter being
44:45
outside all year. It may be depending on the West
44:48
Coast. Yeah.
44:48
It's so much warmer than the rest of Canada.
44:50
That's another reason I can never live anywhere else in
44:52
Canada. And if I don't want to move to
44:53
the States, it's like Vancouver's it.
44:55
But no, I'm not in the city. I'm about like an hour outside
44:58
in the valley. I'm like right by Dromio.
45:00
Why don't you done dromio? I have done some shit that's
45:02
only on their exclusive site, but for a long time I don't know
45:06
what I'd do. I don't know how to fucking
45:07
teach dude. Like I don't, I don't even know
45:09
what I'm doing. You just tell people what you're
45:11
doing. OK, but I need to figure out
45:13
what I'm doing to do that. Oh, don't be one of those
45:15
people. I hate those people.
45:16
Oh, I don't even know what I played.
45:17
You fucking do. Then if I did, I'd play it the
45:20
same every night. You would not be filling in for
45:22
siloses if you couldn't at least play nearly the same.
45:26
Yeah, I mean, that's fine, but that's just like I just like
45:29
when it comes to teaching, it's like the thought of trying to
45:33
teach somebody how to like play like an ACDC song like A4 four,
45:37
like the the beat would be like explaining to somebody how how
45:41
you breathe to me because I've been playing drums since I was
45:44
2. I don't fucking know.
45:45
Oh, do you want to get paid to teach people how to breathe?
45:48
Yeah. OK.
45:49
So how do you? And also, do you want to get?
45:51
I fucking love teaching. I'd love to go back to it.
45:53
I love when someone gets it when someone like can't play the ACD
45:58
and then you teach them in the fucking look in their eye and
46:01
the look in your eye. There's nothing like it.
46:03
I'll get there one day, but I, I just like, I think that I'm
46:05
going to try. That's one thing.
46:07
In the new year when I'm home and I have all this time, I want
46:08
to maybe do some online, like fucking Zoom lessons, like on a
46:12
pad. Because I think that if somebody
46:14
that was already playing metal had specific questions for me, I
46:19
can answer. Those.
46:20
Let me tell you about that though, those are not repeat
46:24
customers and they are fucking insufferable.
46:27
Because if you're, if you're a grown up, and by that I mean
46:31
like fucking past 18 years old, everything already exists on the
46:37
Internet for you to be really good.
46:39
The problem is always 9 times out of 10, that person's work
46:42
ethic because the shit is out there.
46:45
So like these people, they just, they'll, they'll get a lesson
46:47
from you and then want the quick fix and then they don't get it
46:51
and then they go, oh, go to someone else, OK, Like a lesson
46:53
off. On the topic of work ethic,
46:57
that's one thing I've learned in the last year, which I've, I've
47:01
kind of known for a long time, but like really like being
47:04
thrown into the fire is like, it literally does not matter how
47:08
talented you are. All you have to do is work hard.
47:11
Like you just have to work harder than people that don't do
47:14
this. Because as a drummer that plays
47:16
metal, if you have a good work ethic, you will work forever and
47:20
a good attitude. You do have to be pretty good.
47:22
Yeah, but how do you get good? Practice is that you include
47:26
practice in work ethic. Yeah, just like, just like being
47:30
like, OK, I have to get these songs learned and doing it.
47:34
But I feel like there's so many good drummers right now that get
47:38
underpaid because everyone wants to be in a band, that there is
47:42
so many people out there that people are getting fucked for
47:47
jobs. And then you've got people that
47:48
are practicing so fucking much and they don't have, like, Rudy
47:52
doesn't have a band. Yeah.
47:54
Which is That was my first. Doesn't have a fucking band.
47:56
My first thought when Silos has asked me to do this was why the
48:01
fuck didn't they call him? I said Rudy, yeah.
48:04
And here I, well, I think initially they didn't want to do
48:06
internationally, just money wise.
48:09
I don't know why they ended up with me, but here I fucking am.
48:11
I'm not mad about it. Good for you.
48:13
Yeah, I mean, fuck dude, there was many moments of the last
48:15
couple of months where I was like, why the fuck did I take
48:17
this gig like that dude, that U.S. tour we just did like
48:20
kicked my fucking ass, everything.
48:23
That you play really hard. No, just like everything that on
48:26
a tour side of things, everything that could have gone
48:29
wrong basically went wrong. Was it van or bandwagon?
48:32
Or bus. We were in Australia like a few
48:35
weeks before that tour started and we've known about this tour
48:37
for, I don't know, fucking six months or seven months.
48:40
And we bandwagons like booked the fuck out right now.
48:45
Like we were like numbered fucking ten billion on the wait
48:48
list. And so we're in Australia and
48:50
we're like, fuck, are we going to have to do a hotel and van?
48:53
Like in my mind I was like, if we do a hotel and van, like
48:57
that's good. I'm not going to be able to have
48:58
any time on the pads for practice.
48:59
I'm not going to be able to play.
49:00
You're going to be dog shit as well so.
49:02
Very, very last minute we sorted out it was the Thrones TM hit up
49:08
RTM and he showed us this company that does like luxury
49:12
RV. So it's not like a Cruise
49:13
America. It's like the, it's like the
49:15
length of a bus. It's a fucking massive vehicle,
49:18
but it, it's like a really nice RV, but you know, they're not
49:22
meant for touring. They had like 2 traditional
49:23
bunks and then there was like a queen bed in the back that like
49:26
Alex and Darius shared me and Ben got the bunks and then our
49:29
photographer Olivia she got like their.
49:31
Beds kind of sick, but. Yeah, I mean, if you don't mind
49:33
sleeping with somebody else, they're brothers, They can
49:35
fucking deal with it. But like our photographer.
49:39
In my head. Take that as you will.
49:40
In my head, the island boys came, came.
49:42
Up. That's right, yeah.
49:43
Basically they're making content.
49:45
It's basically the same thing. Yeah, our photographer Olivia
49:48
got like this. Like there was like a drop down
49:50
bunk under the drivers thing that kind of like came down.
49:53
And then our TM John, our table converted to a bed and like the
49:57
couch converts to a bed. So it was, it was kind of like
50:00
we're in a nice vehicle, but we're still kind of roughing it.
50:02
And when the sides weren't extended, there was like no hang
50:04
area, like a bandwagon, whatever, you know, like I'm
50:07
still fucking. You're still.
50:08
Lying down at night. I will take it.
50:11
But because it was so last minute, we had to source a
50:13
driver and I don't know how we got this guy, but he was so
50:18
shot. We fired him on the third day.
50:19
He. He.
50:20
What was his name? But his name was Vance.
50:24
He this was his first time touring so he couldn't go
50:31
backwards at all like it as soon as it came to backing.
50:34
What, like even walking? No, just backing the fucking
50:37
trailer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
50:39
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't fucking take a right
50:41
to save his life. No, he fucking could not back
50:44
the thing up. And like the first couple of
50:46
nights it would be like, it would be like literally like a
50:48
4050 foot wide gate and he just had to go straight.
50:51
And it took like RTM and the two bus drivers for Dalian Fetus,
50:55
like they had proper buses too. So like experienced drivers,
50:58
like yelling at him be like no, no, no, no, left, left, No, no
51:01
left, left, no, no, cranked the wheel left, no right.
51:04
And and like that was insane at the driver so rough that like
51:08
none of us were sleeping. And yeah, on like the third day,
51:10
he jackknifed the van, the bus in the trailer so bad that it
51:13
damaged the fuck out of the trailer and the back of the bus.
51:17
So we fired him and we fired him as soon as we could like find
51:20
somebody that was able to fly in and do it.
51:26
And then like after the somewhere in the second week, we
51:30
were in Arizona and in the morning we woke up and we're on
51:33
the side of the highway and we'd only moved 40 minutes from the
51:37
venue and the RV had fully died. And so we were told, grab all
51:44
your shit, just get what you need for the show in Texas
51:47
today. We're actually, no, it was an
51:49
off day. So like the show's tomorrow.
51:51
So we're like, we had a day to just chill the hotel and they're
51:53
like first thing tomorrow morning we're going to catch a
51:55
flight into Dallas and we're going to have another like
51:59
regular truck, like a literal truck, pickup truck, tow your
52:02
trailer all the way there. Just bring your stage closed,
52:05
you know, whatever else you need for a day, and we'll get this
52:07
thing fixed and we'll get back to you.
52:09
You're stressing me out bro. We did not see that RV again
52:13
until the last day of tour because the only reason we even
52:16
saw how. Many days.
52:17
I don't know, like it was a six week tour and that was Week 2.
52:19
So you did van in the hotel? No, we got a replacement RV that
52:24
they sent out and they were like, OK, it'll be a few days
52:26
and then we'll meet up with you. And then that turned into a week
52:29
and it's like 2 weeks. And by at this point, you know,
52:32
we're in New York City and this fucking thing's still in
52:33
Arizona. And we're like, dude.
52:35
And like we're living out of backpacks because I didn't even
52:37
bring my toiletries because if we were flying, I just had a
52:39
backpack and then they were going to toss them out because I
52:41
had to be in checked luggage and it.
52:44
Yeah. So that was a whole fucking
52:45
nightmare. So we're basically living out of
52:47
backpack in this other RV that wasn't as nice.
52:50
And also like at some point the first few days, our first driver
52:53
like drained like the freshwater tank instead of the piss water
52:57
tank and it overflowed into the luggage bag.
53:00
So that happened. Well, the piss did, yeah.
53:03
Oh no. And then?
53:04
Right, the new driver. No, no, this was still the first
53:07
driver I I. Just forgot to add that.
53:09
So that was a whole fucking thing.
53:11
And then? So you wait.
53:13
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. The piss luggage was sitting for
53:16
like 5 weeks. When that happened, we
53:20
immediately moved everything into the trailer or into a
53:23
different Bay, I think actually, yeah, into a different Bay
53:26
because it was in the trailer. We would have had it, but yeah,
53:28
no, we we luckily mine wasn't affected.
53:31
I think it was mainly Ben, our bass player and the.
53:33
Team. That was a whole thing.
53:35
And then, yeah, so we got this replacement RV, we got the new
53:37
driver. We're like, hey, we're good.
53:40
And on the last off day of tour, we're like just two more fucking
53:45
shows, dude. We caught this.
53:46
We're like an hour from our fucking hotel in Ohio and I wake
53:52
up, we're on the side of the highway again and I'm like,
53:55
what's the problem now? We got waved down because our
53:59
fucking trailer almost ripped the hitch clean off.
54:03
Like when I say almost ripped, I mean like the whole massive
54:07
metal plate that's like welded to the underneath of this thing.
54:09
Like was the steel plate had ripped all the way up until
54:13
maybe an inch on each side of the back.
54:15
And like, like we could have killed somebody do like it.
54:19
It was fucking horrifying that that thing.
54:21
So we got waved down. And so then we ended up having
54:24
to get that thing welded back on.
54:26
And you know, so we barely make it to the show the next day.
54:28
The fucking the generator ties that night.
54:33
Oh yeah. You're so lucky you've been
54:35
touring for 14 months. Yeah, yeah.
54:37
That was the thing I was. Like I'm eleven years older than
54:39
you. That shit's going to happen for
54:41
another 11. Years and that that is it's just
54:43
like so much. There was also another instance
54:45
like this RV rode really low to the ground and the hitch that
54:48
they originally gave us had like different settings for like
54:51
where you could clip the hitch. We had it on the top one, but
54:53
that meant that there was like this like fucking like peg
54:55
basically that went down and it already rode pretty low and it
54:59
was like somewhere in California before this one died.
55:04
This was before that RV died. But we were just like quickly
55:07
going to stop in Walmart to grab some shit in the morning and I
55:10
think we're in San Jose and it it was like the Walmart sign had
55:15
said truck route. So we're like, OK, we can go in
55:17
there and the hitch dug into the pavement so bad in the middle of
55:22
an intersection. So we're blocking off traffic
55:24
coming this way and this way. And so we call a tow company,
55:27
they show up, they're like, we can't fucking do anything.
55:29
This this thing is massive. Call a heavy duty tow company.
55:32
They can't do anything we're there for.
55:34
We block off this intersection for like 6 hours and they had a
55:37
like insane fucking truck show up.
55:40
They had a crane and they had to detach the trailer and crane
55:44
this. Is all the same tour.
55:45
This is all within the last like 35.
55:47
And it all happened. You didn't have to cancel the
55:49
tour. We didn't even miss a show.
55:51
Sick. Yeah, yeah.
55:53
How many days off did you have before Scionosis?
55:55
8 total I think. Work ethic, baby.
55:59
I had planned to hit the pads every day because that's how I
56:03
learned the spite set while I was on tour Carcosa as I fucking
56:05
like hit the pads every day. But could you?
56:07
Be hitting the pads right now. What's the what's the deal?
56:10
What's your What's? Your maybe shit.
56:11
Oh, I don't want to talk about warm up, right?
56:13
I'll tell you right now, I don't, so I really don't.
56:15
Maybe I pick up a drum pair of drumsticks and make my blood
56:18
flow for like 10 minutes before. But.
56:19
Noise. I'm not.
56:21
I'm I'm a warmer upper, yeah. I think I'm just old.
56:25
I it makes a difference if I could have a rig that was easy
56:28
to set up and I'm headlining and I guarantee to have this one.
56:32
I was supposed to get one of those for that tour, but didn't.
56:35
They were out of stock and it didn't come quite and.
56:37
It's like the only one that's good in my head and if I can't
56:40
get a drum that. True touch things.
56:41
Crazy, if I can't get a drum room at least I can get.
56:44
One of those things Rock basically didn't get to practice
56:46
at all and I was stressing. I really regretted taking this
56:48
tour at that time. And yeah, I went home the most
56:52
exhausted I've ever been coming home from a tour, and I didn't
56:55
even have like the next day. I was immediately in my
56:57
practice, like in my jam space, playing 10 hours a day.
57:00
Work ethic, baby. That's what I'm talking about
57:02
man. It's just like literally like
57:03
just making the shit happen. You got to just make sure.
57:07
Just make sure you get paid enough bro.
57:10
Yeah, I mean, I'm not, I, I haven't had to work a day since
57:14
I started playing with spite. And I'm not complaining about
57:18
that. You know, there's, there's hard
57:19
days on tour and there's a lot, I think that I've toured so much
57:22
so quickly that I've become a little jaded a little faster
57:25
than I should have. But I try to, I always try to
57:26
just remember, like, remember how bad you wanted to be here.
57:30
Like not even two years ago. I didn't even have any
57:32
endorsements like two years ago. Really.
57:34
But if you're if you end up being a member of Spite, cool,
57:38
that's fucking great. What's the plan if you don't to
57:41
make sure your price starts to increase?
57:44
I mean, I'm not worried about it.
57:45
I'm like. I'm worried for you because I've
57:48
seen people like Rudy. He has no fucking job.
57:52
And that's fair. I mean because.
57:53
One day you wake up and you know you're worth.
57:55
Yeah, not saying that this is what Rudy did, but you do know
57:58
you're fucking worth. And no one wants to pay your
58:00
worth because there's a kid who is as good as you who will do it
58:04
for free because they're fucking won a tour.
58:08
I mean dude. Worst case I'm to.
58:09
The people. One day I wake up and I go,
58:11
fuck, you know what? I don't have a band right now
58:14
and I deserve more money to be on tour this much.
58:17
I go OK, why won't tour and I'll just fucking do the country
58:19
scene in Vancouver like. Vancouver's Got Country scene.
58:22
Yeah. I thought about this when I go
58:24
to Nashville, like I wonder if someone will ask me to do
58:26
something and I'll say yes. In Nashville, that sounds like a
58:29
nightmare because that's like literally like fight to the
58:31
death. Oh.
58:31
I'm not gonna fucking try, but I wonder because, you know, now
58:33
there's the whole like the metal guys do country.
58:37
I wonder if someone's going to take a look at me and go, we
58:39
could have him look like what the vibe is and I'll be like and
58:45
the amount of money those guys are pulling in.
58:47
I'm not going to try and do it because I don't really, you
58:49
know, my heart isn't, you know, it's like metal, like we what?
58:53
You've just explained that tour. The amount of money you get for
58:56
the skills metal is the lowest. Oh dude, literally the lowest
59:00
like dollars per note. Yeah, maybe other than Lars,
59:04
considering how many notes he doesn't play but you?
59:06
Come on, don't. Hey man, I'm a Lars defender.
59:09
I was talking about this earlier when somebody's.
59:10
Watching over you. He's a fucking goat.
59:12
But like the you need to love it like I love metal and that's why
59:18
I'm here. You love metal and that's why
59:20
you're there. You need to love it so much that
59:22
you are willing to put up with all the bullshit.
59:24
Whereas I don't think even for like, you'd have to pay me a
59:28
lot. It's just go.
59:31
It's a different. Vibe wear a fucking cowboy hat.
59:33
It's a different vibe I did, I didn't do much, but I did a bit
59:36
of country gigs before I start touring and I do miss it because
59:38
there is a certain like laid backness to to playing country
59:42
and what. Canadian country singers singing
59:44
about. Fuck, somebody told me the other
59:46
day, who's the fucking fuck? I can't remember her name, her
59:50
name. We were talking about somebody
59:51
yesterday and I was like, she's from Canada.
59:52
I don't even know that, but there's there's a couple out
59:54
there. I I don't listen to country, so
59:57
I don't fucking know. But when I played that show.
59:58
It would be my worry. I hated country, but when I
1:00:00
played it I was like, this is fun like it was.
1:00:02
Fucking it was. It was fun 'cause.
1:00:04
It's not stressful. There's.
1:00:05
I'll tell you this right now, I. Don't have to go.
1:00:08
I'm not playing like this forever, one, because I think
1:00:11
I'll go insane, and two, I do not think my body would be able
1:00:13
to do it. Laws.
1:00:14
Yeah. Laws, Yeah.
1:00:16
The Laws arc. Yeah.
1:00:17
I'm just gonna start doing what I want, yeah.
1:00:19
Less 1 is now Bum Cat. Bum Cat.
1:00:23
Yeah, anyway, if you see me playing in a country and by the
1:00:25
time this comes out, no, you didn't.
1:00:27
I mean, all you did just pretend I said it was awesome and I love
1:00:30
country music. Maybe I'll go and I'll love it.
1:00:33
Maybe I'll go. I'll rent A truck and I'll be
1:00:35
like yeehaw. Brother's fucking right, dude.
1:00:37
That's fucking good. Some of those guys are getting
1:00:39
paid so much money. That's the thing.
1:00:41
I mean, there's money aside like Pat passion and money are two
1:00:45
things that are like. But do you think you'd have the
1:00:47
passion for country? I think, I think that my passion
1:00:50
is for playing drums, and I think my passion is for playing
1:00:52
drums in a way that is fun. And yeah, like I love, I love
1:00:56
metal. But when I'm 45 and can't play
1:00:59
the way I do now, am I gonna love it?
1:01:01
Maybe. I don't know.
1:01:02
I'm sure I will always love metal.
1:01:03
But 45 and can't play the way you play now.
1:01:06
I mean do the way I'm do practicing for this setlist.
1:01:09
Like when I was playing, my knees were like.
1:01:12
Really you got you got injuries. I've never really gotten hurt
1:01:16
playing drums other than like one time when I hit my hand with
1:01:19
my other stick as hard as I could.
1:01:20
Yeah, that was not good, but that's a whole other thing.
1:01:24
I've been lucky. I've had a lot of injuries
1:01:26
outside the drums though, 'cause I think at the skate park at the
1:01:29
BMX track. Mountain biking, Longboarding.
1:01:31
Look at Gene Hoaglund, the goat, the actual goat.
1:01:34
And he's. Old and yeah.
1:01:35
Simon how old is Gene Hoaglund? He's like 54 something. 52 yeah.
1:01:41
So you're saying 45? Not only is it me starting to
1:01:44
worry. Yeah, but I'm swiveling dude,
1:01:45
like. 57 Gene Hoaglund's 57 Yeah, you are doing this
1:01:50
forever, bro. You're stuck.
1:01:52
I don't know if I want to. What a fucking legend.
1:01:54
Yeah, 57 and you're still RIP in death.
1:01:56
What a fucking well, absolutely hero.
1:01:59
But I don't know, I'll always love metal, but playing it I
1:02:02
would love to the 10 year plan in my dream scenario be like I'm
1:02:06
playing for Nickelback in 10 years dude.
1:02:07
Nickelback will be dead in 10 years.
1:02:09
Fuck, now they're living forever, dude.
1:02:11
And that's not like out of Reached.
1:02:14
I mean, they're from where I'm from when I worked in the music
1:02:16
store, like guys, super nice guys.
1:02:18
Dan, their drummer came in a few times.
1:02:20
He actually has a really cool story.
1:02:21
He used to manage one of the stores in my area from the same
1:02:23
chain I worked at, and he got a gig with three doors down from
1:02:26
working there and then eventually, you know, played for
1:02:28
Nickelback. He's a great drummer.
1:02:30
He's in He. Had like a prog band as well.
1:02:32
He's he's like he knows what he's doing yes.
1:02:34
So he would come in every once in a while and chat and a couple
1:02:36
times Chad, actually I think it was only once Chad came in the
1:02:40
store was during COVID, everybody's wearing masks and he
1:02:42
had like cut his hair and I didn't recognize him.
1:02:44
But I was standing at the back of the store in the rental
1:02:46
department working with one of my other Co workers and I was
1:02:49
playing strapping and lad and I was just like, who the fuck
1:02:52
plays drums like this? And he, Chad just turned around.
1:02:54
He was like, Gene Hogan plays drums like that.
1:02:56
No way. He like, he just knew what we
1:02:58
were listening to and what we were talking about.
1:03:00
And I was like, are you Chad? Kroger, what are weird?
1:03:04
Gene Hogan fucking turn around. That was like that was perfect.
1:03:08
That's right synergy of Gene Homan.
1:03:11
When I went to see him after Mike did the podcast, he did say
1:03:14
that they grew up listening to fucking brutal metal.
1:03:17
But like when this is if this is on the podcast, by the way, this
1:03:20
is not cocaine. This is stage flight locking.
1:03:24
I've not done coke Which. Rocks, by the way, it's been,
1:03:26
I've been saying on Instagram, but that's just literally made a
1:03:28
difference. Thanks man, that's right, let's
1:03:30
not make it plug even though it is a plug.
1:03:33
When I went to the Nickelback show, one of the things I
1:03:35
fucking loved, which neither of us can relate to, Stray kind of
1:03:40
used to be able to relate to it. Was when they stopped the show.
1:03:42
In their biggest fucking song, someone falls down, they stopped
1:03:45
the show. And it wasn't like anyone else
1:03:48
stopping a show. Travis Scott, fucking Limp
1:03:51
Bizkit, anything like that. I was just named ones where
1:03:54
people died and not actually what I was talking about.
1:03:56
I know you, but you know what I mean the.
1:03:57
Fact that they were, they have to stop.
1:03:58
Like if Bad Omen stop a show, I don't know if they can continue
1:04:02
where they were. I think that song is canned.
1:04:04
Same with Architects, any of those bands, 'cause everything
1:04:06
is on track. Just being able to count it off
1:04:09
and like go. And then it was, it was the
1:04:10
biggest fucking song and it was just like, OK, everyone's good,
1:04:13
3-4, damn it didn't. Yeah, like.
1:04:17
But there's a Nickelback riff on the new Stray.
1:04:19
Fuck yeah there is. First chorus The first single is
1:04:25
for the whole. Course, Yep.
1:04:27
You know, that one song I have that Take Me Home is like bump,
1:04:29
bump. He's fucking sick.
1:04:32
I think that was actually Vinny Paul.
1:04:33
What I think I heard, I think he might have been on a Mike
1:04:36
Johnson podcast, the one he does with Eddie.
1:04:39
I think that he talked about that was like a guest thing that
1:04:42
Vinny Paul did. Guest drums.
1:04:44
Yeah, like way back. Crazy.
1:04:46
So sick. Either way though, Daniel's a
1:04:48
fucking insane drummer long term.
1:04:50
That's why I'd love to see myself is is playing like
1:04:54
fucking arenas with like a band that's way more dumbed down.
1:04:57
Just like really pocket fucking beat my shit.
1:05:00
Out of everything I sometimes I mean I would fucking love that
1:05:02
as well, but I think it would need to be heavy like I think
1:05:05
country I'll. Go back fucking heavy.
1:05:07
Yeah, exactly. Like I would do Nickelback, but
1:05:09
like country, like straight up country.
1:05:12
And I said if it was one of these new like, country metal
1:05:14
hybrids, I think I could fucking get in like Jelly Roll, like
1:05:16
Cody that plays for Jelly Roll that looks.
1:05:18
Fun. I love Cody.
1:05:19
Yeah. But like I think I need heavy in
1:05:23
my life well. We're in the pipeline on the way
1:05:24
there, so. You've got a funny story, A
1:05:27
story to tell me. Unsolicited story.
1:05:30
This. Oh, you told me at Nam you have
1:05:32
a story for me and you cannot tell me until the.
1:05:35
Podcast. Oh fuck, I hope he doesn't see
1:05:37
this. OK, so let's just for everybody
1:05:42
watching, let's paint the picture.
1:05:43
Here it is the Tama 50th anniversary event Craig is
1:05:49
hosting. Yes, it was at the party.
1:05:52
Oh shit. So I didn't really know what to
1:05:56
expect of that event. I thought give me a little show,
1:05:59
whatever, you know, I am only been a Tama artist for just over
1:06:04
two years now, but at the time, you know, like barely a year and
1:06:08
I don't know, I'm like fucking whatever.
1:06:10
So I show up with Alex from spite, Bana, my guitar player
1:06:16
from my other band Carcosa and our friend Eric.
1:06:18
And you know, we get there to the House of Blues and they give
1:06:22
us these artist badges, which I didn't even considered like, oh,
1:06:26
I'm a tomer artist, like maybe it'll be different.
1:06:28
I don't I don't know. I just my first name.
1:06:30
I don't know how any of this works.
1:06:31
So they give us the artist badge.
1:06:33
I'm like, OK, that's fucking they give all of us artist
1:06:35
badges. So I'm like, OK, that's cool.
1:06:38
So we walk in and then one of the security or staff, somebody
1:06:41
goes like, hey, like the artist lounge is over here and I was
1:06:44
like artist lounge. All right, that sounds cool.
1:06:47
And so, you know, it's like you got the Gen. pop area where I
1:06:50
mean it was a private party. So I don't know, I just figured
1:06:52
because it was a private party was everybody had the same shit,
1:06:55
but they take us into that side room.
1:06:58
I didn't even go in there, really.
1:06:59
Right at the end, I didn't even know that room existed.
1:07:01
I play that venue like three times, but we go into that room
1:07:04
and I open the door. It's like a tiny room, maybe
1:07:07
just a little bit bigger than this.
1:07:10
And the first thing I see this isn't.
1:07:12
This isn't tiny bro, you know much more fucking mortgages.
1:07:15
OK, but like square footage of the House of Blues?
1:07:17
Come on. Yeah, I'm.
1:07:18
So. Fuck you, I know you are.
1:07:20
But we walk in. I walk in the door and
1:07:22
immediately the first thing I see is like, I'm starving, so
1:07:25
kind. I need food.
1:07:26
So the first I'm like looking at the food and it's like a Taco
1:07:29
bar. A rare buy a House of Blues.
1:07:31
Fucking well that's because Tama was putting putting on their
1:07:33
dime. But.
1:07:34
Fucking thing. Yeah, go on.
1:07:35
So in the in the Taco bar lineup, it's like Charlie
1:07:39
Benante, fucking Mike Portnoy, Dave Lombardo, just like fucking
1:07:45
all the biggest Tama artists ever.
1:07:47
Like I'm looking around this room and I'm like, why the fuck
1:07:50
am I here? What is happening right now?
1:07:52
So I'm like, I need a drink to handle it.
1:07:55
I'm like, I've start to have like a fucking social freak out,
1:07:58
which I'm. Who was giving you the biggest
1:08:00
freak out of those? I don't.
1:08:02
Think it was anybody in particular.
1:08:03
It was just the fact that like, I'm looking around, it's like
1:08:05
Abe Cunningham, fucking Eloy, fucking like all these guys that
1:08:09
I have in, you know, like wrong data.
1:08:11
It was fucking. Mental.
1:08:13
It was, it was literally like I, I'm, I know I'm forgetting
1:08:16
because there, there was 100 people in that room.
1:08:19
Whoever the 100 biggest Tama artist other than like fucking
1:08:21
Lars Simon. Phillips.
1:08:22
Simon Phillips was there. It was fucked.
1:08:25
It was. I was.
1:08:26
Not ready to walk into that room and be like, it was like in
1:08:32
Wayne's World when he opens the door and it's like all the
1:08:34
fucking guys like training. I was like what the fuck the?
1:08:37
Fucking ninjas. And I'm like I immediately just
1:08:40
am like fuck that show. This is happening right now.
1:08:43
I need a drink. So throughout the night open
1:08:46
bar, I had many, many strong IP as like this one.
1:08:51
And at some point in the night, it's like it's like late in the
1:08:54
night. I'm probably 8-9 drinks in I'm
1:08:58
I'm like not messy. I'm not messy, but I'm like, I'm
1:09:00
not sober. I would not have Triven a car or
1:09:02
anything like that. And I'm like, I wanted to talk
1:09:05
to Mike all night. Yeah and he follows me on
1:09:08
Instagram. I mean he was like one of the
1:09:09
first big drummers to ever follow me on Instagram, but I'd
1:09:11
never talked to him. So I was like, fuck, I'm going
1:09:12
to talk to this guy because growing up like.
1:09:14
He's a fucking legend. Dude and Nightmare is like one
1:09:17
of my favorite records of all time.
1:09:19
Like when I was in middle school and Nightmare came out like that
1:09:22
was my fucking religion. So I was like this dude play
1:09:25
drums and one of my favorite records.
1:09:26
I need to talk to him about this.
1:09:28
And I'm like after the next beer, after the next beer and
1:09:31
all night, like I'm just getting more and more drunk.
1:09:32
So at a certain point, like look at the time, I'm like, fuck, I
1:09:35
got to do this. Like it's now or never.
1:09:37
But I was like, I have to piss so bad.
1:09:40
I have to piss so fucking bad. So I'm going to get another
1:09:43
beer, Go take a piss and I'm going to go in.
1:09:45
I'm going to talk to fucking Mike porno.
1:09:47
I'm going to do it. And so I'm taking a piss and I'm
1:09:49
wearing I had the large shirt on the down beat large shirt
1:09:53
respect. And I'm taking I bought like a
1:09:55
really like baggy 1. So it's quite long.
1:09:57
And so I'm going to piss and I put my beer up on the top of the
1:10:00
urinal and I had to like lift it up to piss.
1:10:02
So I'm like lifting it up and holding my fucking cock and my
1:10:07
beer starts to fall. So I go with my other hand
1:10:10
that's holding up my shirt and the shirt falls down as I'm
1:10:13
pissing. I pissed all over that shirt.
1:10:17
Like like up to like fucking here.
1:10:20
Do you like it? It was a lot of piss and.
1:10:24
How did you not like, fix it in time that enough piss came out
1:10:29
to soak the T-shirt? How big's your Dick?
1:10:31
Hole I was I've been drinking all night I buckets I've been
1:10:34
drinking all night and like dude, like the shit that was
1:10:36
happening in the main room like fucking Eloy and fucking Monica
1:10:39
and fucking every performance fucking.
1:10:42
You got that young 26 year old prostate as well just slumping
1:10:45
that shit out like. Yeah, I like I I I also like
1:10:49
with my ADHDI don't acknowledge that like, oh, I could probably
1:10:53
go pee right now. I just like I'm like even if I'm
1:10:56
sleeping, it's like it's until I'm about to piss myself.
1:10:58
I'm like, probably go to the bathroom.
1:11:00
Yeah, I'm a bit like. That so many beers in and I'm
1:11:03
pissing so fucking I am like it's it's a fucking fire hose
1:11:07
and it soaks my shirt and I'm like fuck.
1:11:12
But I was like, I still talk to my portal.
1:11:13
Covered in piss. So I tried my best to go to the
1:11:16
counter and I patted it down. This is insane.
1:11:19
Yeah, I knew you were. That's why I had to say this for
1:11:21
the podcast. Insane.
1:11:22
Because. You tried to get it out of me.
1:11:23
I was like, not until I do the podcast, right.
1:11:25
And so I I tried to like my best to, you know.
1:11:28
Yeah. But it also like, luckily it was
1:11:30
a black shirt. If it wasn't a black shirt I
1:11:32
don't know what the fuck it would.
1:11:33
Have done Gray shirt. Yeah.
1:11:34
And the graphic on that shirt goes like all the way down too.
1:11:37
So it was like, yeah, it's very nice quality.
1:11:40
Anyways, I ended up going to talk to him quite drunk and
1:11:43
luckily I only talked to him for like maybe 2 minutes before they
1:11:45
started like hey everybody's got to like.
1:11:47
Before he started being like God kind of smells like piss.
1:11:49
Yeah, but yeah, the basically the the punch line here is I
1:11:53
talked to Mike Portnoy, but I was covered in piss and he might
1:11:57
see this and be like unfollow. I mean, I'm very well might use
1:12:01
this as a clip on Instagram and he does follow me so I.
1:12:04
Was figuring that you probably. Would yeah, he doesn't I think
1:12:07
we were no, I said he does follow.
1:12:09
OK, he was really nice. He actually he was super at a
1:12:12
festival. He followed me a while back and
1:12:15
then we were playing the same festival, like hell Fest, and
1:12:19
we're like on the smaller stage, like like reasonable lineup, but
1:12:24
they know what the hell fest post is.
1:12:25
Like a million man, just get Adm from Mike porno.
1:12:28
Like hey, man, we're on the same show today.
1:12:31
Like do you want to say hey? I was like, yes, Mike Portnoy,
1:12:34
that's so sick. Definitely want to come and say
1:12:36
hey. And it was really fucking cool.
1:12:38
Isn't. It cool when you meet your
1:12:39
heroes and they're super cool. Rarely are they as cool as Mike
1:12:43
Portnoy. Yeah, he, he, he was, I will
1:12:46
say, talking. For like a legend.
1:12:48
Awesome dude. I mean like fuck, he's like the
1:12:50
amount of modern drummers I had as a kid that he was on the
1:12:52
cover. Like, come on.
1:12:53
Because I met every single one of those drummers at that event
1:12:58
because obviously I had to introduce him and whatever had
1:13:00
the little chat with him about what we're going to say and all
1:13:02
this stuff. And I would say the two at the
1:13:05
top where I'm just like, you 2 are fucking legend.
1:13:07
And as personality wise you are also legends Bran.
1:13:12
He was cool because we all got hammered at the bar.
1:13:14
At my point, I just like just real nice guys.
1:13:17
I'm like, you are sick. You're so sick.
1:13:19
Yeah. They were both super sick.
1:13:20
Bran just, I got to hang out with him for like hours after
1:13:24
and yeah, he was so fucking cool.
1:13:25
But yeah, it, it is very cool when you meet your heroes and
1:13:29
they're cool. And if they're not, I'm like,
1:13:30
OK, well now I can tell everybody I meet forever that
1:13:33
you were a cock. Who's a cock?
1:13:35
Come on. Oh fuck, I'm trying.
1:13:36
To think of somebody that wasn't cool, There's a couple that like
1:13:41
in my mind at the time, I was like, oh, you were a fuck.
1:13:44
I'll tell you off the record. There was a couple tell me on
1:13:46
the record. No, but no.
1:13:47
It's. Fucking an hour and a half in.
1:13:49
I won't only because my now that I've toured, my experience with
1:13:53
him was quite brief and I don't know what was going on with him
1:13:55
that day. And it's like I've had shitty
1:13:57
days on tour. I always try my best to be as
1:13:59
nice as possible to people. Worry about it constantly.
1:14:02
Yeah, and it's like, I don't think I've ever really had an
1:14:04
instance where I was a Dick to somebody, but like, you know,
1:14:06
like high stress situation. Like I was like working at the
1:14:09
Drummio Festival and there was one drummer that was like
1:14:11
opening one of the days and I was trying to help him drum
1:14:14
tech, and he was not cool. And he also sucked at his
1:14:18
performance and it was dubbed. I'm not going to say which on
1:14:21
the air, but I'll tell. You tell me who, and then Simon
1:14:23
can believe. That as long as he definitely
1:14:24
say it was. Oh yeah, I can see that.
1:14:27
His whole performance was super dubbed and he was like being a
1:14:30
total diva. Yeah.
1:14:31
It was like we've been there for like 14 hours and he was playing
1:14:33
the next morning and it was like late and he was out at dinner
1:14:37
and like we were like, the show had been over for an hour, but
1:14:40
we couldn't leave until his kit was set up for the next day.
1:14:43
And I was setting up his kit and he he freaked out because he
1:14:49
didn't want anybody else to set it up.
1:14:50
And he was like, then they were talking about how like they
1:14:55
would have to stay later to do sound check.
1:14:56
That or I think he was saying they'd have to do sound check
1:14:59
the next day because it was too late.
1:15:00
And he was like, oh, if it's if the sound check is tomorrow, I'm
1:15:03
going to have to change the songs I'm playing because I'll
1:15:05
have to get less sleep and I won't be able to play it.
1:15:07
And I remember the next day seeing them playing like, dude,
1:15:09
I could have fucking done this. Like with one day rehearsal.
1:15:12
Like come on. Don't you just don't be a Dick.
1:15:14
I, I, I every time I have an interaction with anyone, I
1:15:17
don't, I, I, I think I'm quite a nice guy when I interact with
1:15:20
people like I'd like to be, But even if I think, even if I'm
1:15:23
like apparently delightful afterwards, I'll go to whoever I
1:15:27
was with. If someone comes and says, oh,
1:15:29
how are you? Like, yeah, nice to meet you or
1:15:30
whatever. Like, which I fucking love, by
1:15:32
the way. People who say that they don't
1:15:33
like people coming up to them and going, Hey, I really like
1:15:36
everything you do are lying because it's the best fucking
1:15:39
feeling on Earth. Yeah, but immediately every time
1:15:42
I'm with whoever I'm with, I'm like, was I cool there?
1:15:45
Was it Like, was everything cool?
1:15:46
Like I worried like I was a little bit maybe like, do you
1:15:49
think it came off cross OK? Because I'm like, terrified of
1:15:52
it. Yeah.
1:15:53
Just because I don't want it because of that, because I'm
1:15:54
constantly stressing about something, I don't want that to
1:15:57
come out. I think that being Canadian, I
1:15:59
just like, I trust that the Canadian like dialect and like
1:16:03
how I interact with people. I'm like, yeah, it's probably
1:16:06
sounded great. I've got the opposite.
1:16:07
Because you definitely. Went.
1:16:09
Really. No, I mean, there's definitely
1:16:11
like at Nam, there was a couple times I'd be trying to meet up
1:16:13
with you because I basically followed you around that whole
1:16:15
time. I don't know if you picked up on
1:16:17
that, but I literally ditched my crew of people and every night
1:16:19
you and me hung out and. Was that was that orchestrated?
1:16:22
Not intentionally, but when we got along, I was like, fuck
1:16:25
these guys. I'm hanging out with Craig the
1:16:26
whole time. And but I'd be like trying to
1:16:27
meet up with you and I'd be like, where are you at?
1:16:29
And you just be like 111 word answers and I'd be like, oh, he
1:16:32
doesn't want to hang out. Oh no, that was just that was
1:16:34
also me overthinking. I'm the worst texter on.
1:16:38
Yeah, me and Josh were talking about that last night.
1:16:40
What about me texting? Yeah.
1:16:41
What did Josh say? Because.
1:16:42
He said the one ply 11 answer replies or one word reply he.
1:16:46
Messaged me today and I. As I was getting in my Uber, I
1:16:49
he was you had just texted him as I was leaving.
1:16:51
Wait, so that was the conversation?
1:16:53
You know this was last. Night 'cause I, I did it again
1:16:55
today to him. I just, I don't know what it is.
1:16:57
I'm just, I'm so fucking busy all the time and I'm dead.
1:17:00
I mean a little bit of tism. So I'm just like, here is the
1:17:03
statement that I need to tell you right now, but there's no
1:17:06
like, I think it's because in person I'm quite like.
1:17:10
And then on text like, how do you put that across?
1:17:12
I don't know, I mean. Exclamation marks after
1:17:14
everything OK. On my way.
1:17:17
On my way. Dude, not I've actually.
1:17:19
I mean, I am like that sometimes where I'll be like, I just like
1:17:24
I don't think I, my mouth moves faster than my brain thinks and
1:17:27
like I'll like have a conversation with somebody and
1:17:30
walk away and two minutes later, 10 minutes later, think about it
1:17:34
and be like the way I worded that was fucked.
1:17:37
Why did I say it that way? Like that probably sounded
1:17:39
horrible. MY1I I won't say who it is
1:17:41
because I still have to deal with them, but there's one
1:17:43
artist Rep that will not deal with me anymore with.
1:17:46
One of your companies? With one of my companies that,
1:17:50
yeah, that I mean. Is it a European Rep?
1:17:54
Yeah. OK, Well then I won't know.
1:17:55
And it doesn't matter, but like they like USA.
1:18:00
Well, if you want something done with the companies in the USA.
1:18:02
Companies in the USA you gotta. Speak to those mother fuckers.
1:18:05
Anyway, I won't even say if this was a company I'm still with,
1:18:08
what company I used to be with. They said like, I was trying to
1:18:13
get replies from an e-mail with something really, really
1:18:15
important and they just were ghosting me.
1:18:17
And I got really annoyed about it.
1:18:19
I don't even remember getting that annoyed about it.
1:18:21
And I was like, why aren't you replying?
1:18:22
And they were like, quite frankly, I find your e-mail tone
1:18:25
incredibly aggressive. And I was like, well, don't fuck
1:18:29
up then. And I'm not going to be
1:18:31
aggressive. I'm like a very, I don't know.
1:18:34
I know it lives in me. Like if someone fucks up, I'm
1:18:37
Simon. Have I Simon this last episode?
1:18:41
How do you feel about me? Texting is terrifying confirmed.
1:18:47
And I don't mean it. I don't mean it.
1:18:49
I'm just like, there's a sentence.
1:18:51
Make of that what you will. It's been.
1:18:54
It's a nightmare for relationships, it's a nightmare
1:18:56
for business. But it does work good when
1:18:58
someone is actually in trouble. Yeah, because it is.
1:19:01
I'm not. Good at that.
1:19:02
When somebody fucks up, I'm like, that's good.
1:19:03
Oh. I'm fucking so good.
1:19:05
I'm just like getting better at like with the reps If I need
1:19:09
something, I'm trying to be better about being like I'm
1:19:11
going to let them know a month in advance rather than a week in
1:19:14
advance where if they don't do it right when I need them to,
1:19:17
I'm not fucked. Because I'm also like like with
1:19:20
Sam, with Sam Atama, it's like fucking dudes like it bad.
1:19:24
He rocks too. And it's like, but it's like,
1:19:26
you know, I'm not upset if like he says he'll get me something
1:19:30
and then maybe forgets because it was like a weekend when I
1:19:33
texted him and I'm in a different time zone.
1:19:34
It was 2:00 AM and I'm like, that guy has to get Lars 20 drum
1:19:37
kits for his next tour. So yeah, I'm not upset when a
1:19:40
guy like that is I? Don't think I've ever other than
1:19:43
the obvious 1 I don't think. And one other time, I don't
1:19:46
think I've ever been really, really upset with a Rep about
1:19:48
something. And I've only ever been when,
1:19:50
like, they've promised me something, I've chased them up
1:19:55
on it, then they've got shirty with me.
1:19:58
It's auk term. If you don't know what it means,
1:20:00
it means like a little bit pissed off at me, nippy at me.
1:20:04
Because. Because I've followed up.
1:20:07
Yeah. And then when it's got to crunch
1:20:09
time, they've then fucked it. And I'm like, this part of the
1:20:12
conversation was like, that's where you were nippy to me.
1:20:16
And now you've fucked it. And then I'll go, that's
1:20:18
actually the song I'm talking about.
1:20:19
And I went fucking nuclear and I don't want to speak to you
1:20:21
anymore. Your e-mail trans aggressive.
1:20:23
It's like, well, your life tone is dog shit.
1:20:26
That's why we're in this fucking mess.
1:20:28
You nuclear? No way.
1:20:29
Does everyone think Does everyone hate me?
1:20:31
No, it's just like, it's just funny because we talked about it
1:20:33
earlier with Michael. I don't know what the fuck is
1:20:37
wrong with me. I can't.
1:20:39
Is there anything that's is there any musician that does
1:20:41
what we do or creative in general that isn't fucked in the
1:20:45
head even like the crew on tour that like don't even they're not
1:20:49
even necessarily like the artists, but like to do anything
1:20:52
that we do, you have to be fucked.
1:20:53
You have to be fucked. I'm just a very bitter, petty
1:20:58
person when only when someone's wronged me, I.
1:21:00
Love being petty. I love everyone until they
1:21:05
wronged me. Maybe they wronged me twice, you
1:21:08
wronged me once, you know, whatever.
1:21:11
There's a sentence, I'm not even going to say it, but you want me
1:21:13
the second time and I will. Fucking explode.
1:21:15
You yeah. You're like, you're literally
1:21:16
going to make a down B shirt. Yeah, you will.
1:21:18
Me will go on the story. We do audition.
1:21:22
I love. I don't fucking care.
1:21:24
Yeah. Story boss is great.
1:21:26
I mean, I could go on about that.
1:21:27
I know you should probably go and fucking warm up.
1:21:29
Yeah, we. Should probably do the stream
1:21:30
festival. Do you have it ready?
1:21:32
Because you basically, I mean traffic.
1:21:33
You're fucked. Yeah, I'm going to.
1:21:35
I'm going to free ball it real quick.
1:21:38
You. You know the concepts are just
1:21:40
fucking. And I know, I know, I know how
1:21:42
this goes. So, OK, it's going to be
1:21:46
anywhere on the Gold Coast in Australia, it's going to be.
1:21:49
Everyone's fucking answer exactly the same.
1:21:51
It's going to be on. Stop doing it.
1:21:53
It's going. To be on the beach, you remember
1:21:54
the beginning of The Simpsons movie where the green day's
1:21:56
playing on the boat or on the raft.
1:21:59
All the stages are on a raft and there's people in the water but
1:22:04
there's like mosh pits on the beach.
1:22:05
I don't fucking care what time of year it is because it's
1:22:07
Australia. I mean Australia in winter is
1:22:09
dog share so. Is it?
1:22:11
I was just there in the winter was fun.
1:22:13
In your winter, they're on the other side of the world.
1:22:15
No, it was it was our summer when we went.
1:22:17
Really. Yeah, it was nice.
1:22:19
Gold Coast, I guess it's still gold.
1:22:20
Coast, baby. All right, OK, who's opening?
1:22:22
No. What's your accommodation?
1:22:23
Accommodation. Yeah, that's the one part I had
1:22:28
to consider. We all have cabanas.
1:22:31
OK. Free streaming platforms and
1:22:33
everyone, everything that you ever want to watch is there.
1:22:36
That's nice. No one's had that.
1:22:38
Yeah, I'm talking. About dude, there's fucking
1:22:40
there's, there's a masseuse for every member of every band.
1:22:43
Yeah, I like it. And like Hellfest, yeah, there's
1:22:45
also your rider. You can put whatever you want.
1:22:48
So that's all yours. Like $10,000 in clothes.
1:22:52
That never wasn't food wise food.
1:22:54
Wise fucking there's this smash burger place in Vancouver right
1:23:00
down the street from the rickshaw.
1:23:01
It's like the only place to eat in that area.
1:23:03
It is fucking insane. It's called a between two buns.
1:23:06
If you're in Vancouver go to between two buns.
1:23:08
I'm going to plug that fucking insane.
1:23:10
And so it's one of those weird like too cool for you.
1:23:13
Like you go in there and you're like, I'm not cool enough to be
1:23:15
in here. They don't even have a sign on
1:23:17
the door. Like it's almost.
1:23:18
Like, oh, like a cocktail? Yeah.
1:23:19
Like like a Speakeasy. But almost, dude.
1:23:21
And they don't. They don't let you make
1:23:22
substitutions or anything. Oh, I love that.
1:23:24
I love that coffee shop. When you go, oh, can I get a
1:23:26
vanilla one? I think we don't have vanilla.
1:23:28
I'm like you guys, fucking rule. Yeah, they're like, you don't
1:23:30
like onions, Kill yourself. Yeah.
1:23:32
Yeah, so, Chef. Shit, that's it.
1:23:34
If you're vegan, too bad you break in my dream world.
1:23:36
You're breaking your vegan edge to try this fucking burger,
1:23:40
Yeah. Might send him a one word about
1:23:42
that later. To drink there is this
1:23:45
discontinued Mountain Dew flavour that they only had in
1:23:47
like Canada for like one year during this like competition
1:23:50
thing they had where they voted out the flavours called Mountain
1:23:52
Dew Supernova. Maple syrup was it?
1:23:54
No, it was like fucking. I don't even remember a joke.
1:23:56
Come on dude. It was fucking sick.
1:23:58
I don't want to laugh. I don't remember what the fuck.
1:24:00
Flavours like melon, honeydew, something is fucking insane.
1:24:02
That's what everybody's drinking band wise.
1:24:05
Dimu is playing. It's a it's a three day
1:24:07
festival. Dimu's playing all three days
1:24:11
and. Wow, this is amazing.
1:24:13
Every, every single day they're gonna play both puritanical and
1:24:18
fucking Death Cult in full with Nick Barker on drums and a full
1:24:21
orchestra. Every day.
1:24:23
Yeah, they're playing it. Fuck.
1:24:24
It it's your dream festival, can you please fix Nick Barker's?
1:24:27
Kidney. Yeah.
1:24:28
Nick Barker is as healthy as possible.
1:24:30
I love it. Looking great.
1:24:32
I hope he's doing good. Strapping is playing every day
1:24:36
and every day throughout the three, the three days they're
1:24:39
going to find a way to play their whole discography.
1:24:43
It it not every day, but they're going to like they're going
1:24:45
throughout the three days. They're going to play every song
1:24:47
they've ever written. Gene Hogan Gene Hogan's having a
1:24:50
heart attack because he's 57. Devin is going to fucking go
1:24:54
mentally inside. To cancel Devin on the podcast
1:24:56
tomorrow tomorrow because I've got a fucking I've got a I've
1:25:00
got to be packed up. This whole thing has to be
1:25:02
packed up in four days that. Sucks that is so good.
1:25:04
Whole place. It'll happen.
1:25:05
King Gizzard is gonna play. Never heard a single song.
1:25:09
They're my favorite band of all time.
1:25:10
I can't talk about them because I I will talk about them for.
1:25:13
What's the album to check out? Dude, that's a whole other.
1:25:16
Country. No, just give me one.
1:25:18
Infest the Rat's Nest? Or like for you, Infest the
1:25:21
Rat's Nest or Petro Dragonic Apocalypse, the two metal albums
1:25:24
they have. OK, they're gonna headline.
1:25:26
I got other bands, but I'm gonna they're going to headline and
1:25:30
they're going to play three hour set every night with no repeats.
1:25:33
How are you inventing this time to do all this?
1:25:36
It's my dream dude, I know how this.
1:25:38
Yeah, but no, but you need, you need to give me what's happened
1:25:41
to the Earth in order to have time freeze.
1:25:44
How? I don't thought how did it
1:25:46
happen? No, that's the dream.
1:25:47
First of all, you can't have it without.
1:25:48
It's my dream that doesn't matter.
1:25:50
Let me give you a hypothetical. A black hole has opened,
1:25:54
increasing the Earth's gravity so that actually the days it's
1:25:59
the the sun. But do we revolve around the
1:26:02
sun? I don't know dude.
1:26:03
Or does the sun revolve around fucking no.
1:26:05
We go around the sun science. It slowed us down.
1:26:08
So days are now 40 hours long. There you go, I've done it for.
1:26:11
You how about fucking Doctor Strange started experimenting
1:26:14
with the fucking prostate massager and fucking came so
1:26:17
hard. Anything that the whole
1:26:19
space-time can sit. Neither do I, but I'm just free
1:26:21
balling. I've got the whole space-time.
1:26:22
She loves Marvel. And I'm like, fuck all that.
1:26:26
I'm gonna have to watch. I don't.
1:26:26
Have time for that. I'm gonna watch them all.
1:26:28
Mac Miller's coming back from the dead, playing his whole
1:26:30
discography. Other favorite artists?
1:26:32
At all times. Is he healthy or is he he's
1:26:33
clean and he's a zombie or has he been?
1:26:36
Oh no, he is. He has come back to life.
1:26:38
He never died. That he is he.
1:26:40
He got healthy and did his thing.
1:26:43
He's he's playing every day. He's gonna play his whole
1:26:46
discography over the three days. Who the fuck else Schoolboy
1:26:50
keeps doing a set? He's doing oxymoron in full.
1:26:53
He's doing fucking blank face in full and he's doing blue blue
1:26:56
lips in full. This is, this is, This is why?
1:27:00
Why don't you split them up? Why is it the same every day?
1:27:03
Because I want to see all of them every.
1:27:05
Day. Why have you sacrificed
1:27:07
everyone's bodily functions? Because in my dream gravity
1:27:11
shift. In my dream they are maximum
1:27:13
health. Yeah, but the gravity shift from
1:27:17
what's needed to make this work just split it over three days.
1:27:20
Slipknot's coming back on the last day with Joey and Paul and
1:27:24
they're going to play for six hours and they're going to play
1:27:27
every song. You take Joey.
1:27:28
Every song no but to see Joey play 4 score hours.
1:27:36
I. Mean like I would as a drummer.
1:27:42
Eloy is literally inhuman but like Saw.
1:27:44
Him with Joey four times, Saw him with Dave Lombardo.
1:27:49
I saw Metallica with Dave Lombardo and Joey.
1:27:51
I saw that. Yeah, I've seen a lot of
1:27:54
Slipknot. I think I've seen Slipknot with
1:27:55
every every drummer. I was supposed to Slipknot with
1:27:57
the original lineup in graded like peak Slipknot obsession for
1:28:01
me. We got tickets in like January
1:28:03
for my birthday. My dad got them and show is in
1:28:06
October. Day before the show, I got sent
1:28:09
home from school with the swine flu and I couldn't go.
1:28:10
I was like puking every five in retro.
1:28:13
Yeah, yeah, that was like the original COVID.
1:28:15
So my dad ended up going with the guitar player for his
1:28:17
Metallica cover bands and got me a shirt.
1:28:19
But I never got to see Joe. He never got to see Paul.
1:28:21
Next time they came was like years later with Jay.
1:28:23
What's your after party? Because you got to fucking go.
1:28:25
OK hold on real quick. One last thing.
1:28:27
I'm playing at least one one song with King Gizzard and I am
1:28:30
mine. Like 6 tabs of acid but I'm
1:28:32
gonna nail it. Have you done acid?
1:28:34
At a King Gizzard show. It scares.
1:28:36
I don't. For the record, I don't do like
1:28:38
what I consider drugs like party drugs.
1:28:40
Never, Just never. Fuck the.
1:28:42
Most solution to genic drug. Psychedelics is like a spiritual
1:28:45
thing for me so like I haven't done acid for a long time but
1:28:50
shrooms is like a every when I can out like once or twice a
1:28:52
year. I had a really bad acid trip.
1:28:55
I've heard about it. Yeah, and I haven't done it
1:28:57
since. And I've done mushrooms and DMT
1:29:01
since then and it's been fine. But I don't I I like a small
1:29:07
dose of mushrooms and I like DMT for how fucking fast it is, but
1:29:13
like I can't be doing those eight hour things anymore.
1:29:16
That's fair. Yeah.
1:29:17
I mean, it's been a long time, so maybe I'll do it again.
1:29:19
It's been years. The last time I did, I think it
1:29:20
was a King Gizzard show, but that was many years ago.
1:29:23
I just don't have the time to do it these days but.
1:29:25
Yeah, that's what I mean. It's a fool.
1:29:26
That's a. Fucking that's like 48 hours
1:29:28
yeah that's a 2 day yeah that's a 2 day like reset, but after
1:29:33
party every Six Flags and like fucking every sick I'm a roller
1:29:39
coaster into that My I got the extreme autism yeah So you know
1:29:43
how like the whole like tism thing is like the trains I got
1:29:45
extremetism. OK, you know what?
1:29:48
I got the extremism. So it's like trains, but roller
1:29:51
coaster trains. So every sick roller coaster in
1:29:53
the world is also somewhere in the area.
1:29:54
What's your favorite roller coaster?
1:29:56
So far there's one in Hershey Park called a Wildcats Revenge
1:29:59
that's really good. Also on that last tour I spent a
1:30:01
whole day at Six Flags Magic Mountain and there's a number of
1:30:05
good ones there. So I'm like I know the the
1:30:08
manufacturers, the model numbers.
1:30:10
You are actually. Yeah, like I watch like there's
1:30:13
a couple Youtubers I watch the do like 2 hour like video essays
1:30:16
on like manufacturers and I watch like a couple of weeks.
1:30:18
Yeah, I love I. Haven't got the time that you're
1:30:20
asking about. I've got the time to watch it.
1:30:21
Yeah. Fucking two hours of exact
1:30:23
roller coaster manufacturer. That's where the after party is.
1:30:26
Do you play Roller Coaster Tycoon?
1:30:27
No, I've been meaning to when I was a game.
1:30:29
There's. Not realistic enough for you?
1:30:31
Maybe not, I don't. Know that would never.
1:30:33
Work. There needs to be like
1:30:34
malfunctions where some people die.
1:30:35
If you don't need the maintenance, maybe I'll play it
1:30:36
then. I think they.
1:30:38
Do do they? Yeah, but it needs to be like
1:30:39
legit, needs to be like Grand Theft Auto level like.
1:30:41
Oh, you wanna see the head to come off?
1:30:43
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And be like oh I should probably
1:30:45
like replace the wheel bogeys on that RMC.
1:30:47
Train when when a roller coaster fucks up because it is like,
1:30:51
obviously tragic. It's almost always me and tears.
1:30:54
Same time I'm like wow. Imagine, imagine like going over
1:30:59
like a crazy hill and just being injected and being like, fucking
1:31:02
well this isn't good. As long as I fully died I'm OK
1:31:06
with it. Like.
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Now I want to live to tell the tale.
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No, I've done something very similar to that and the recovery
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absolutely fucking sucks. Yeah, next time just kill me.
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I got more roller coasters, there's so many haven't ridden I
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need to ride them off. Your alarms gone off fucking
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twice. Yeah, I really need to go.
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We're done. Thank you for coming on.
1:31:23
Thank you for finally fucking having me.
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We have to do a Part 2 because there's so much.
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I didn't get to talk. We'll do it in Nashville.
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Yeah, that's right. When the best.
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Quite sad. Simon blies me out.
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Simon, it's your last episode sitting in Oh shit, it's still
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going to be out of it to. Be the last person in this
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fucking room actually means a lot so.
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I I like it. It's a good, yeah.
1:31:44
I'm glad that you cancelled on me the first time.
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When did I cancel? When I was here a spite earlier
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this year, you doubled. We we booked it when we were in
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and we were hammered to be fair, but I was holding out.
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Ripple booked. Triple booked, Yeah.
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Holding absence, me and whoever else.
1:31:56
Day seeker. MMM, well, trip triple book, but
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I got here. But he didn't cancel today, even
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though I have four days to back up the podcast.
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I cancelled Devin Townsend instead of you.
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If I'm telling you something for real, it was the other did like
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a couple weeks ago when you when I was like, yo, are we still
1:32:08
doing this? You're like, maybe because half
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the reason I took this tour, and I'm not even like half the
1:32:13
reason I took this tour is because I got to do this.
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Because I texted you, you wanted to do it and it came down to
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like, I don't have enough time to do 3 podcasts because we did
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one yesterday which fucking cancelled.
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I don't have time to do 3 podcasts in three days.
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So it's going to be Debbie, but it should have been.
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Make them suffer. You have to believe that.
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Nope, no, leave it in. I'm looking forward to seeing
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you, Rep Love you. Fuck yeah, love you too.
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Fuck yeah. Cheers.