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Gordie Chiesa on the Utah Jazz and NBA, Hope for the Jazz starting next year, Playoffs this weekend + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
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  Speaker 2: the day, My list today. Here's OC with basketball.
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  Speaker 3: So on Gordy Chiaysa on the Sean O'Connell show, not
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  Speaker 3: OC today, the og in for OC Bill Riley with
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  Speaker 3: my guy, Gordy Chiasa, my friend of so many years,
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  Speaker 3: and jazz and NBA insider.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, dog? I love you, Bill.
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  Speaker 4: I am doing well. Thank you all right, welcome, welcome back. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's it's it's like riding the bike here, Gordy.
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  Speaker 5: It's like you and I back they We were on
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  Speaker 5: the phone a couple of weeks ago when I filled
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  Speaker 5: in for Sean for the first time. But this is
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  Speaker 5: even better having you in studio with your lists and
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  Speaker 5: your binders and and all of that stuff. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know where to start. Let's let's start first with the jazz.
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  Speaker 5: We've got a whole hour here, so we're gonna start
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  Speaker 5: first with the jazz, and then we'll kind of expand
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  Speaker 5: out to the NBA and the playoffs that are coming
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  Speaker 5: up and all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It was a it was a bad year.
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  Speaker 5: It was a hard It was an expectedly bad year,
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  Speaker 5: but it was a If you are a hardcore Jazz fan,
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  Speaker 5: it's gotten harder and harder the last couple of years
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  Speaker 5: to watch the team you love so very much. But
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  Speaker 5: it feels like despite the they don't like you to
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  Speaker 5: say tanking, but we know what it is. That it's
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  Speaker 5: it's it's that it feels like to me, and this
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  Speaker 5: is me on the outside. I'm not in it every
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  Speaker 5: day like you are, but it feels like, for the
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  Speaker 5: first time in two or three years, there might be
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  Speaker 5: a plan you can see in place, something that's that's
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  Speaker 5: a little bit tangible. By the moves that they made
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  Speaker 5: this year, you can kind of begin to it may
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  Speaker 5: be off of the distance, Cordy, it may be a
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  Speaker 5: little blurry right now, but it kind of feels like
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  Speaker 5: you can see the vision of what maybe they're trying
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  Speaker 5: to do.
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  Speaker 4: Is that fair, Yes, very much, it's absolutely fair. So
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  Speaker 4: if I'm a Jazz fan, there is absolutely hope and
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  Speaker 4: the Jazz are trying to position himself to go. I'm
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  Speaker 4: saying next year. As we speak about the playing tournament
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  Speaker 4: last night, the Jazz should be in the play in
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  Speaker 4: tournament next season.
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  Speaker 1: It should be.
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  Speaker 5: So one of my favorite movies is Shawshank Redemption. So
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  Speaker 5: you love that movie too, you've seen it. One of
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  Speaker 5: the great lines in that movie from Andy Dufrain is
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  Speaker 5: hope is a good thing. Maybe it's the best of things,
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  Speaker 5: and no good thing ever dies. So you say, there's
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  Speaker 5: hope for the Utah Jazz very much. And where does
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  Speaker 5: the hope lie for you? Not four four years from now,
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  Speaker 5: but for next year? Because nobody wants to look We're
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  Speaker 5: tired of looking four years down the line. Oh no,
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  Speaker 5: we want to look at next year. Where is the
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  Speaker 5: hope for next year for the Utah Jazz? So at
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  Speaker 5: this time next year in twenty twenty seven, that they
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  Speaker 5: could potentially be in the postseason.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the hope is Jazz one.
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  Speaker 4: They have talent, and that that talent has to be
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  Speaker 4: able to play defense. So next year's starting lineup bill
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  Speaker 4: should be this should be so this is before the draft, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's it for the draft should be Keante George at one,
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  Speaker 4: a Spailly at two. Lowry Marketing at three, Jaron Jackson
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  Speaker 4: at four, and re signed Walker Kessler. That's the starting lineup.
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  Speaker 4: So that that's a good lineup. That's a big lineup.
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  Speaker 1: Yes it is.
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  Speaker 4: It's big, and it has its athletic and they have
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  Speaker 4: different skill sets. Now the problem is, as always, the
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  Speaker 4: Jazz have to play defense in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be up at armsb.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think your front court, you can say, okay,
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  Speaker 5: well you can see a path with Jaron Jackson and
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  Speaker 5: Walker Kessler as defenders, rim protectors in the front court. Lowry,
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  Speaker 5: they've never really asked him to do it anywhere he's
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  Speaker 5: been Keyonte, no Ace Balley Young but of course no.
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  Speaker 5: So three of your five guys are are what you
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  Speaker 5: would call non defenders right now for the Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 5: But if that's your starting five, we won't even talk
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  Speaker 5: about the bench yet. If you're gonna get let's just
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  Speaker 5: say sixty five to seventy games out of those five guys,
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  Speaker 5: is that good enough to be one of the top
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  Speaker 5: ten teams in the West.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, oh yes, absolutely, yes.
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  Speaker 4: This is quick metrics and I'll explain to you quickly
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  Speaker 4: about the about how to do it. All right, So,
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  Speaker 4: Jazz this year and last year. This year, the Jazz
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  Speaker 4: are ranked number twenty nine overall defensive rating. The only
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  Speaker 4: team works than the Jazz was the Wizards. The Jazz
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  Speaker 4: last year with number thirty the least team in NBA
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  Speaker 4: for block shots at three point eight. So by getting
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  Speaker 4: Jaron Jackson and bringing back Walker Kessel, that will improve
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  Speaker 4: the problem Bill is this is that the Jazz allowed
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  Speaker 4: the most points in the NBA this year per game,
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  Speaker 4: at one hundred and twenty yikes. All right, and it
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  Speaker 4: all starts, and all starts and ends on ball containment.
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  Speaker 4: The Jazz do not contain the ball on perimeter, and
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  Speaker 4: so segue to that the Jazz allowed the most made
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  Speaker 4: three point shots in the NBA Bill fifteen point three,
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  Speaker 4: and he allowed the most three point attempts in the
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  Speaker 4: NBA at forty one point one. All right, so it
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  Speaker 4: all starts and ends. Can the Jazz players meaning Cante
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  Speaker 4: George okay, A Spelly okay, Larry Marketing okay?
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  Speaker 1: Can they guard the ball? Can they? Okay? Well? A S.
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  Speaker 5: Bailey is a rookie, So we're gonna we're gonna give
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  Speaker 5: him a little grace here. He's got the link, he's
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  Speaker 5: got the athleticism to do it. So maybe Will Hardy
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  Speaker 5: and his guys could coach him up. But Lowry market
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  Speaker 5: in seven years, I think it's seven or them?
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  Speaker 1: Is it eight? Now? Seven?
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  Speaker 5: Eight years into the NBA? Cante George is four years
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  Speaker 5: into the NBA. They've neither have ever shown a propensity
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  Speaker 5: to really guard. Can you, as a guy that coached
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  Speaker 5: it for a long time, can you change a player's
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  Speaker 5: DNA seven eight years into their career?
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  Speaker 4: Yes you can't, Yes you can, Yeah, yes you can.
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  Speaker 4: So so next season meaning the twenty yes right, twenty six,
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  Speaker 4: twenty seventh season would be County George's fourth year and
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  Speaker 4: be Larry markin and Bill you're right on point, will
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  Speaker 4: be his tenth season. And so the answer is yes,
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  Speaker 4: because there has to be accountability and it's all based
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  Speaker 4: on technique.
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  Speaker 1: So give me an exam.
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  Speaker 5: Go back over your career, your long and storied NBA career,
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  Speaker 5: long and storied, A Jazz guy, a Memphis Grizzlies guy,
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  Speaker 5: a Seattle Sonics guy. What go find me somebody that
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  Speaker 5: was not a he was a non defender that you
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  Speaker 5: turned into at least somewhat or a plus defender that
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  Speaker 5: were that were four or five. They were into their
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  Speaker 5: career already. Can you give me an example of somebody
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  Speaker 5: you worked with or a guy on a team you
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  Speaker 5: coached that became a market better defender?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, for Sean Lewis, Okay, Ray Allen, Okay, yeah, Ray Allen,
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  Speaker 4: especially in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Ray picked his spots.
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  Speaker 5: Ray Allen, Okay, Yeah, absolutely, they were both when you
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  Speaker 5: coach both those guys in Seattle.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah absolutely, And those guys you know there were want
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  Speaker 4: to be defenders and we improved them. And that's by accountability.
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  Speaker 4: So again, the question is how can I buy a
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  Speaker 4: combined technique.
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  Speaker 1: With effort and peer pressure?
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  Speaker 4: Remember a lot of times your teammates put the most
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  Speaker 4: heavy peer pressure on you, saying what are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Most times when big.
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  Speaker 4: Guys are in foul trouble, it all starts because the
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  Speaker 4: guys are in perimeter, don't contain the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's what happens. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So if I'm in foul trouble earlier, I'm a big guy,
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  Speaker 4: I am absolutely calling out the guys are in perimeter,
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  Speaker 4: why are you not defending the ball. And that's all
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  Speaker 4: based on technique, and that's based on bill In any sport.
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  Speaker 4: Just think about the sport of football. If you bend
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  Speaker 4: your knees, the chance of being having better balance improved dramatically.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: The lower you get on defense in any sport, the
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  Speaker 4: better you are correct.
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  Speaker 5: Bending your knees in basketball is a big thing too.
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  Speaker 5: You got to get into your stance. So, by the way,
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  Speaker 5: I know I'm old and I watch it, but.
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  Speaker 1: No, you know you're young.
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  Speaker 5: In wrestlers, nobody, very rarely do you see guys getting
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  Speaker 5: into stances anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, especially collegiately.
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  Speaker 4: Well, okay again, that's getting on them, Bill, you're talking blasphemy.
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  Speaker 4: Last night's game, just quickly, Draymond Green got in that
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  Speaker 4: stance and he pick pocket those guys in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 5: That's playoff basketball, though I'm talking about regular season NBA basketball.
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  Speaker 5: Not a lot of stances getting into all the time. Anyway,
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  Speaker 5: I digress. So those five guys, you think that there's
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  Speaker 5: room for defensive improvement, that they can score the ball.
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  Speaker 5: We know the Jasons can score. Those five guys could
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  Speaker 5: score the ball. How much of an improvement that. Let's
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  Speaker 5: just say the Jazz right now are playing at a
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  Speaker 5: thirty five percent twenty five percent defensive effort. What level
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  Speaker 5: do you need to get them to as a group
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  Speaker 5: to make them a playoff team forty percent, forty five percent,
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  Speaker 5: fifty percent. How much work does Will Hardy and his
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  Speaker 5: staff have this summer with this group to try to
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  Speaker 5: get them better defensively sixty percent, So they've been a
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  Speaker 5: long way to go.
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  Speaker 1: They do.
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  Speaker 4: And also again it's all based on the accountability. And
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  Speaker 4: now there's other guys that might take your place. That's
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  Speaker 4: the magical word is that if after counseling people and
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  Speaker 4: coaching them and showing them technique, and if they still
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  Speaker 4: don't do it, then you have to make some sort
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  Speaker 4: of less playing time.
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  Speaker 1: It's good. That's how you win.
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  Speaker 5: So Gordy's brought to us by a Laddin industry. It's
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  Speaker 5: your Vlux dealer. So those five guys, for now, we
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  Speaker 5: don't know. The Jazz might have the number one pick,
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  Speaker 5: they might have the number five. Who knows, they're somewhere.
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  Speaker 5: They're gonna they're gonna get a good player because this
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  Speaker 5: is a good draft. But with that being said, right now,
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  Speaker 5: the bench five guys are not going to win you
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  Speaker 5: a championship. Five guys are not really even gonna make
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  Speaker 5: you a playoff team. You've got to have guys. Do
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  Speaker 5: you like what the Jazz have coming off the bench
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  Speaker 5: or does that need to be remade because the starters
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  Speaker 5: are probably gonna be the starters. Maybe you're adding free agency,
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  Speaker 5: maybe you add through the draft. But are guys like
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  Speaker 5: Collier and Williams in Sensiba and Philipowski and conchar Heartless.
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  Speaker 5: Are these guys guys that you would bring back or
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  Speaker 5: would you want to remake that bench a little bit?
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  Speaker 4: I bring some of them back. I bring back Isaiah Collier,
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  Speaker 4: but he might be gone at the Again, if the
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  Speaker 4: Jazz pick will say at five, six, seven or eight, okay,
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  Speaker 4: just hypothetically, the best players at that position are all guards,
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  Speaker 4: the point guards. So Klia is very good. That guy's
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  Speaker 4: past happen. He's got some toughness. So again, so if
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  Speaker 4: you d the guy just for hypothetically, now, is that
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  Speaker 4: then what happens to Callier he becomes the third point guard?
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  Speaker 1: Or is that?
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  Speaker 4: Does he tried you try to move him this summer
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  Speaker 4: because he has value because teams like him and he's
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  Speaker 4: again he's his primitive shooting has gotten slightly better. He
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  Speaker 4: can drive that ball to the Basketbill he's got a
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  Speaker 4: winning game, So I do like Kylia Coddy Williams has
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  Speaker 4: made some improvement offensively, yes he has, he's got it,
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  Speaker 4: but he still can't shoot threes yet. So Williams right
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  Speaker 4: now he shot forty six point eight from the field,
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  Speaker 4: but he's the problem is what his three point shooting
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  Speaker 4: is still willfully low, and so he's got to get
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  Speaker 4: better at shooting. His defense again, is a concern all
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  Speaker 4: about his body. It's a concern, yeah, meaning what he's got,
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  Speaker 4: he's got that angular high hips body. He has to
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  Speaker 4: get more core balance, get stronger upper body. But also
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  Speaker 4: usually speaking again is that your athleticism is based on
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  Speaker 4: your core balance as far as how you can maintain
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  Speaker 4: a level of leverage when you get bumped off balance.
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  Speaker 4: And so Cody Williams has to get stronger.
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  Speaker 1: They know that.
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  Speaker 5: Well he's and he's not going anywhere because he's he's
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  Speaker 5: he's on his rookie contract and certain yeah, you're not
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  Speaker 5: going to pull the ripcord on him yet. But and
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  Speaker 5: also that also doesn't mean though he's part of your
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  Speaker 5: regular rotation, he's gonna have to earn that time next
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  Speaker 5: year with with a better talent on the team.
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  Speaker 1: Right, correct.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, By the way, he's only twenty one. Again,
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  Speaker 4: these guys are drafted so young that you think they're
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  Speaker 4: gonna step in and the answer is it hardly really
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  Speaker 4: ever happens.
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  Speaker 5: So you've mentioned Callier, You've mentioned Williams. Who else do
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  Speaker 5: you like that they've got on that roster to bring
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  Speaker 5: back next year?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Bryce Censerba Okay, absolutely, that guy can. That guy can shoot.
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  Speaker 4: That guy's got some toughness. He only missed seven games
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  Speaker 4: last year, which is commendable, and that he's he's a
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  Speaker 4: streak shoot. He reminds you of a younger version and
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  Speaker 4: much bigger of Jordan Clarkson Bill. That guy he can shoot,
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  Speaker 4: and he can he fearless. So I'd bring them back.
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  Speaker 4: And again his contract is absolute team friendly. And I
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  Speaker 4: think he's really a good off the bench. He's what
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  Speaker 4: you need. When he has the ball, you feel good
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  Speaker 4: about it when he's open. Oka like him, He's fiery.
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  Speaker 4: Anybody else you like? I like Philipowski. He's undermanned. So
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  Speaker 4: again we're talking somebody at the second round pick at
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  Speaker 4: number thirty two. He's played relatively well offensively, he's overmatched physically,
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  Speaker 4: not athletically, I bring him back because why he's again,
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  Speaker 4: his contract is his team friendly, He does hustle and
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  Speaker 4: he's good. And then also again these guys have values.
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  Speaker 4: So if the Jazz they could make a trade with
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  Speaker 4: these guys because other teams like them. But the role
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  Speaker 4: their best position is off the bench contributors coming into
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  Speaker 4: the game causing offensive havoc. The problem is you have
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  Speaker 4: to get guys from cold w defensive havoc correct the bench.
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  Speaker 4: That is a concern. So I bring back some of them,
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  Speaker 4: if not all of them. All depends who the other
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  Speaker 4: guys are.
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  Speaker 5: Give me a couple of names in the draft, knowing
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  Speaker 5: what the Jay, knowing what the Jazz need and where
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  Speaker 5: they might pick, they could pick you know, three, four, five, six, seven,
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  Speaker 5: somewhere in that range.
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  Speaker 1: What what what?
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  Speaker 5: Give me a couple of names of guys you've watched
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  Speaker 5: play this year, Gordy that you think could help the Jazz,
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  Speaker 5: Because if you're picking that high, you want somebody that's
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  Speaker 5: gonna be able to come in and help you. Not
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  Speaker 5: necessarily a starter maybe at some point, but somebody that
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  Speaker 5: could certainly be a rotational piece that can help you
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  Speaker 5: next year. Are there a couple of names you like.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, Caleb Wilson, Carolina, Carolina. Absolutely. I would take
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  Speaker 4: him in a heartbeat. And also Lindenberg from the Michigan
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  Speaker 4: got a winning game. Those two guys, if the Jazz
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  Speaker 4: could get them, that would be tremendous.
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  Speaker 1: They're good.
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  Speaker 4: And the other guys who you know again, you know
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  Speaker 4: you know the names, Darius Etkoff, you know Kingston Fleming
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  Speaker 4: mckel brown.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but is a cut. He's a talent. He's a
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  Speaker 1: scoring talent.
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  Speaker 5: Know, we just spent ten minutes I was talking about guarding.
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't guard in the shadow, but he can score
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  Speaker 5: the Do you need another guy that can really score
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  Speaker 5: it like him?
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  Speaker 1: I love this theory.
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  Speaker 5: Or do you need a guy that you think can
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  Speaker 5: maybe guard a little bit and now maybe you can
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  Speaker 5: maybe John Calipari just never asked him to guard as
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  Speaker 5: a freshman. Maybe you saw something on the tape. But
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  Speaker 5: when I watched him, I saw a guy that could
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  Speaker 5: fill the bucket up. But I didn't see a guy
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  Speaker 5: that played much defense.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, here's the dilemma, the great dilemma of everybody in
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  Speaker 4: the draft room. When do you stop picking not based
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  Speaker 4: on town? You got that right, Bill, It's the great dilemma.
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  Speaker 4: You wish that these guys would be two way players
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  Speaker 4: from day one? Yes, you do, of course you do. However,
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  Speaker 4: it's really a rarity. It's so it's just say hypothetic. Again,
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  Speaker 4: we're just hypothetically talking right now. You're driving right now
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  Speaker 4: at I fifteen, Please stay stay ready, stay in the road.
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  Speaker 1: Right now. Is that.
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  Speaker 4: When do you make that value judgment to not pick
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  Speaker 4: only on talent and you're based on positional needs. I'm
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  Speaker 4: saying most times, philosophically, most times it would be double
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  Speaker 4: digit draft. In other words, ten and above you just
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  Speaker 4: say talent. No, I'm saying ten, position ten, ten and
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  Speaker 4: above meaning one through ten, Yeah, ten and above, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, five.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So but one through ten you're just going talent,
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  Speaker 5: you are, Okay, Yeah, you look at positional needs and
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  Speaker 5: talent after that. But one through ten, when you're in
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  Speaker 5: that top ten, you're just saying, give me the best
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  Speaker 5: player I can get and we'll figure out how to
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  Speaker 5: play him after that.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, Okay, yeah, correct, yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, oh, by the way, sha Jes
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  Speaker 4: Alexander's pick number.
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  Speaker 1: Thirteen.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Nikolai Jokic was even the first pick by
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  Speaker 4: the dever Nuggets useif Nurkice.
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  Speaker 1: So it was by the way, a jazz man I know.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly, which just shows you that you think you know something,
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  Speaker 4: you know nothing. Trust me, I've been doing this for
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: thirty in the NBA. I've mean in the NBA directly
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: around the NBA. I just finished be on my thirty
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: seventh season. And trust me, you think he knows something.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: But it's called human behavior. That there's no analytics, there's
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: no metrics, there's no AI someday that will tell you
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: what's in a player's heart. And by the way, who's
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: your teammate next to you? And by your way in
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: the locker room, who's the guy next to you get
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: you get laced up with? He's all so many variables
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: that make a player either successful or can fast track
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: his improvement.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: A few more jazz thoughts will get him from By
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: the way, if you have any questions for Gordy, hit
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• 17:44
  Speaker 5: at Gordy. Draft related, jazz season, related, off season, all
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: of that stuff. We'll also talk some playoffs and more
• 17:51
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  Speaker 5: on the Shott O'Connell Show. Bill Riley, sitting in today
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  Speaker 5: on the ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM.
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  Speaker 2: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 2: Vrolet Studio of ESPN seven one a half m.
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  Speaker 1: Did you pick the song? Yes, that's a great song.
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  Speaker 1: Do do you think on Pie Square?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 4: You think your hip is hip can be okay?
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: And he's got his uh, he's got his scarf on today.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: It is going to be chilly later. We're supposed to
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  Speaker 5: a freeze warning tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Bill.
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  Speaker 4: You think subconsciously that because of my age, don't hey,
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  Speaker 4: don't you think to me?
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Don't you?
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  Speaker 5: We have been friends for too long for you to
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  Speaker 5: put you to put that on me. Gordy's in today,
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: He's in for a full hour. He'll be here till
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: twelve thirty. I'm in for Sean today. Shawn's over in
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Belfast doing some fighting stuff. And it's good to have
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: you on the Shadow Connell Show Today, presented by our
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  Speaker 5: friends and Big Willies we're talking some NBA stuff with Gordy.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: I want to get a few more jazz thoughts about
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: the off season coming up from you. But how about
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Steph Curry last night? Yes, how about Steph Curry. One
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: for the age you, Gordy. He is ageless and timeless.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: He brings his a game every night, just like you,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: Gordy Chiaza.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: No, thanks for the compliment, but there's no correlation means Steph.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: But with Steph last night, it was tremendous. I was
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: sitting there, was sitting there Bill on TV, and I
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: was actually cheering. It was a comebacks. Listen quickly if
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: they didn't see the game. It was a comeback win
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: over the Clippers. When the Warriors were down thirteen points
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: under ten minutes on the road. I remember, now, loser
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: goes home. There's no tomorrow in this game. And then
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: the Warriors outscoed the Clippers and that stretch forty one
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: to twenty three in that frame, including fourteen for eighteen,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: shooting for seventy seven point eight percent from the field
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: at time, and also eight draining threes. All right, so
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: that's what happened as a group right now. But Steph
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Curry was on fire, parking lot range pitcher, perfect step
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: back threes. He was injured, so they said that he
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: was a They won't showy Mitzi gonna play. He only
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: played thirty six, Oh yeah, thirty six and he goes
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: thirty five points, twelve for twenty three, seven for twelve.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: But he made every big shot that they needed him
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: and his trusted sidekick, young aging al Haffen now al Haffen,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: who they picked up from the Celtics. Al Hafft hed
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: thirty nine now nine times this season only he made
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: three threes in a game. So he only nine times
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: he made three three point shots yesterday last night he
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: makes four out of seven and it's when he got
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: them also, so it was an amazing effort by the
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Golden State Warriors.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: It was twenty seven of his thirty five were in
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: the second half. Yeah, Warford, they had four threes the
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  Speaker 5: second half.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Tito's son, by the way, that's right, Tito Hofford.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Bill's alluding to Tito Hofford, form Milroukee Bucks player who
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: was in nineteen eighty six. He went to the University
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: of Miami of Florida and Carl Gables. And let's add
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: to this our TV partners. Bill in the NBA are
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: a static Oh.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: In the NBA offices today, they will never openly root.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: But if the Golden State Warriors knock off the Phoenix
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Suns on Friday, they will be through the roof, won't.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: They very much?
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Because that means that Steph Curry and the Warriors brand. No,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: it is Steph Curry. People like him, like Bill. He's likable.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: He's six foot three. He went to Davidson College. Yes,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: he went online to get his degree. Two years ago
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: he was playing in the playoffs. They asks him, stuff,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: what are you doing tonight? You're rested? He goes, no,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I'm doing my turn paper. It's due next day. They said,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: what are you doing? I'm doing my term paper because
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I promised my mother I'm gonna graduate from Davidson. And
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: during the playoffs two years ago, he's doing his turn
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: paper in the door, in the in the on the road,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: finishing it.
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  Speaker 1: Can't make this up, can't make this stuff up. You cannot.
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  Speaker 1: I wish you did you.
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  Speaker 4: I wish you did your turn paper at KU A
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  Speaker 4: long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: I said it go.
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  Speaker 5: I couldn't do them online. I had to turn them
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: in physically to the professor because the Internet wasn't around
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: when I was at Kansas.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I know, it's it's hard to exactly tell me a
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: different time different today.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: We have not been able to do this for a
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: couple of years on a regular basis. When last you
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: and I were doing the regular Gordy Chias's segments on
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: ESPN seven hundred of The Bill Riley Show, the Charlotte
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Hornets were a joke. They were terrible. They were a laughingstock. Gordy,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: how did the Shore Charlotte Hornets become what, I'm not
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: gonna say, one of the best teams, but one of
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: the most entertaining teams and a good playoff team in
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: the NBA.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Very much one coaching by Charles Lee. Absolutely that he's
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: the He's the guy that turned that around. Bill's alluding
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  Speaker 4: to right now the Hornets is that if they can
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: win a Friday Night at Orlando, it will be their
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: first appearance in the in the NBA playoffs in ten seasons.
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  Speaker 1: Bill. Let's put it in context.
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  Speaker 4: The guy living the guy or the girl is a
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Charlott fan living in Charlotte, North Carolina, and they're sixteen
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: years old.
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  Speaker 1: Bill.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to their junior prom, Bill, like you you
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: did one time in your life, and suddenly ten they
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: never went to the playoff game. They went to the prom,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: didn't go any playoff game for ten years. At age
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: twenty six, Bill, they finally might go to a playoff game.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: I'm putting a context, Bill, and guys like your life.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Well, I can remember when STEP's dad, Dell was a
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: sharpshooter for the then Charlotte Hornets. I can remember when
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Alonzo Morning was playing for the Charlotte Hornets and Muchie
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Bots and Muggsy Bogues was playing for the Charlotte Hornets.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: That was about the last time they were a consistently
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: good franchise. Now you've got LaMelo Ball, Conker Nipple, who's
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: been a fine for them as a as a first
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: year rookie, Brandon Miller coming out of Alabama a couple
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: of years ago. Despite all the stuff that was swirling
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: around him, he's turned into a good player, bridges most
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: of Diabate.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Then they've got good players coming off the bench too.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: This is a Again, I don't know how far they'll go,
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: but they are a wildly entertaining and fun team to
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: watch very much.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Also, Bill hit the jackpot as far as off the
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: bench for a big guy, Ryan Colebrenner from Creighton. That
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: guy was the thirty fourth pick of the draft. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: so again for the listeners on ESPN Radio seven hundred,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: I know you go bonkers over the NBA draft. Oh
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: by the way, if you're not drafting one, two, three
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: or four, the other guys can't play. Oh really you
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: believe that theory because we can recite without boring people.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: So many great players after that. So Ryan Colebrender, who's
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: a developing young player, he gives them another big guy.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: And Bill mentioned a Musse above, Babe he played at
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: He's a Frenchman. He played at Michigan. Most people don't
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: know his name. And Babute can play. He gets in
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: the game and he hustles, he plays hard, doesn't know
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: any better, and he's helped him tremendously. And the last
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: part about that, we left out Seon James from Duke
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Yep off the bench. So all these guys are contributing.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: It's really a fun story and integrate debate Bill, who's
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: the rookie of the year.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: We'll talk about that when we get back. Gordy will
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: have a list for us when we get back. I've
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: got some text questions for Gordy when we get back.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: It is the Gordon chis an hour on the Shat
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  Speaker 5: O'Connell show. We are one hour and two hours to
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• 25:59
  Speaker 2: You were listening to Sean O'Connell show for the Murdoch
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Hunting Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two to
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  Speaker 2: one a half.
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  Speaker 5: Anim Riley Infro Connall today showing me back next week.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate him. Let me sit in.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: I really appreciate my buddy Gordy Giason making it all
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: the way down from stately Chiason Mansion on the south
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: end of the Valley to come in studio today to
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: talk some NBA basketball with us.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Oh that's so funny, Bill, You and Noles Barkley are
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: both crazy.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: We all say that. Yeah, so another Gordy Jays a favorite. Bill.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: You keep alluding to that I don't know nothing about anything,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: including basketball.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: You're reading way too much into this keep reading. You
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: see you're very sensitive about this. I know you are
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: a man about town and a man of many musical
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: tastes and.
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  Speaker 3: Likes.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: True, However, I do like also the NBA playoffs bill
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: which start this weekend, and it's going to be outrageous.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: All right, is there? Who do you?
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: We're not going to dive deep into this because we
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: don't have a full show to do this, but but
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: tell me who you like in the East and why
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: who comes out of the East and why Celts?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Okay? Why one?
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Because their season team they defend, they make threes, and
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: they have the they have the bookend forwards that can
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: score against great defense trying to guard them. They can
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: outdo them as far as playing. And then Derek White
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: is that unbelievable all around player that we talked about
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: earlier that the Jazz need guys like that that are
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: two way players that can start. So Jen Jalen Brown
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: and Jason Tatum and Derek White. And then they got
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: built the former UH Pack ten performer of Peyton Pritchett.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: As far as him, he's emerged tremendous for them. And
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: they got Vucevich back right now. Luke Garson all the
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: other guys Cato from Utah State. I love their team.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Is it their championship pedigree, the fact that they've been
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: there and done that with a lot of the guys
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: in this group like Tatum and Brown and others, Or
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: why is it that you like them more than Is
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: it because Detroit hasn't been there before and they have
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: to kind of prove themselves.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly right.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: No, sixty wins, I know, I know wins, however, okay,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: or hiss the however now, because it is tanking by
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: ten teams in the NBA that I know, it tells
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: us that teams have sixty wins, But one third of
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: the league the last bill twenty five games of the season,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: didn't want to play at all. And so I'm saying
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: that just generally speaking, it's not the teams that won.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: It's not their fault. It's not but a sixty win
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: team on a regular NBA where teams want to compete
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: with more like fifty seven fifty six. Okay, So just
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: generally speaking, I'll put in context, Bill. This past year,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: the NBA set a record for the most teams to
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: lose fifty games or more in the history of the NBA,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: there was ten teams that lost fifth games or more.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Add to that, besides the fifty, the ten teams that
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: lost fifty games or more a record. Another record was set.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: There was five teams that lost sixty games or more.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Bill sixty games are more. Five teams are quickly here
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: they are. The Wizards had sixty five losses, Paces sixty
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: three losses, the Net sixty two losses, the Just sixty losses,
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: and the Kings sixty losses Bill records.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: I want to ask you this and then we'll find
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: out who you like in the West coming at and
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: then we'll talk take some text questions here. How much
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: damage do you think the NBA has done to its
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: product and its reputation among fans with the last couple
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: of years of this extreme tanking. Is you just said
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: five sixty loss teams, you know, ten teams that have
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: been openly not even making any really you know, trying
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: to make any excuse. They are just openly trying to tank.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: How much do you think they've hurt their reputation? How
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: much do you think they've hurt their kind of the
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: image and product to the average fan that watches the
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: product either goes to games or watches on TV.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: It's hurt them very much. But we add to that,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: by the way, Bill u ships up the last three
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: years record numbers. So people are still watching the games,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: but they're not going to games because of because the
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: prices are so high, just philosophically, and so suddenly the fans,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: the people, the people that a corporate boxes and stuff,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: they're still going, but the fans are aren't going as much,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: so they're watching it at home. So the new business
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: partners as far as the TV networks, they're a static
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: over it. But the fan base as far as going
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: through the game, is lesser. So that is the problem
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: right now. Again, Bill Pitcher in the NFL, who we
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: all love pitch, you're not playing to win an NFL game.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: You would get hurt. Well, it's they'll get hurt. It's true.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a different sport. It's a different game. You
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: don't see that in the NFL. But with that being said, yeah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: you just you wouldn't see it. It's just a different
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: mentality and mindset. You cannot play that game that same way.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Hockey, hockey, no way, no way. So basketball they know it.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: And Adam Silvery, he knows it, and that's why they're
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: gonna address it for the listeners right now. On May
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: twenty eighth, the the Border Governors, which is basically the
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: all the owners are coming together and they're gonna have
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: they're gonna finalize next year's rules as far as eliminating
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: dramatically tanking. In other words, there'll be punitive damages either
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: money or draft picks, et cetera.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Do you think it will work? Yes? Yeah.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: The second you take away draft picks from a team,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: that's when that's his attention. Oh, we're gonna find you
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: up twenty five million dollars and there's a lot of money.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: But to some of the owners it's not. But second
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: you take away draft picks.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Future you probably have to do both, don't you, draft
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: picks and money?
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, both both, and that's when it gets more level again.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: All you want to do is have a level playing
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: field and made the best teams win based on the
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: players performing. The coach is doing a great job, and
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: management getting the acquiring players that have winning games. It
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: sounds so elementary, but it's not.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: So you like Boston out of the East, not the Pistons,
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: not the Knicks, not the Cavaliers in the West, two
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: sixty win teams, the Oklahoma City Thunder, the San Antonio Spurs.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: You've also got a team like the Nuggets, who've got
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: maybe the best player in the world and Jokic when
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: he's healthy and on his game, and they've also, by
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: the way, won twelve in a row going into the offseason.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Who do you like in the West? Denver? Really yes, Denver?
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Okay tell me more.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Well, if you mentioned one best player in the world
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: and Nikolai Jokics, I mean, how like he's in pots
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: to God. And people say all the time about Jolkie
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: doesn't like basketball. That's not true, doesn't like fame. It's
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: a big difference. Jolkis loves basketball, doesn't like the fame
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: of basketball. So when you see him all the time
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: he wants to go back to his native country, that
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: you don't like basketball, that's not true.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: He's like a myth.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: And so I love about Jokice and the Denver Nuggets
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: is that they have talent. Aaron Gordon was hurt during
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: the year. Now he's back now. Christian Brown was hurt,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Now he's back now. Bruce Brown has played tremendous for them,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Peyton Watson been tremendous for them as has helped them.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: So I like it an upset the Denver Nuggets. Now
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I know they got to play the Spurs in the
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: second round. Here's the quick metrics. We've had seven straight
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: different champions in a row. All seven of those teams
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: thought in the war room after they won it, they're
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: gonna repeat, and none of them did. Add to that,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: the defending champion lost in the second round. Bill seven
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: straight years the defending champion lost to that. That's the
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: metric tells us. And what's the reason why. One the
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: other guys are good you play against and two weird
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: thinking in the playoffs injuries happen or uh, lucky bounces
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: happened to the opposition, and that it's not your year sometime.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: And the less part of it is what the matchups.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: It's who you play against. And so the Thunder are great,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: they defend the ball, they have unbelievable talent level, their
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: benches deep. I'm saying that the Denver Nuggets could beat them,
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: and also the upstart Spurs, and we'll see if the
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Nuggets can. They're gonna If Nuggets get pass the first
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: round by the way. The Nuggets have lost to the
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: te Wolves back to back years, back to back years, though,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: so as far as they beaten them, and so the
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: learning point about that is that even at that they're
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: all really elite teams. They have star player. So here's
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: the question. The last point about this. Can our three
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: best players are on our team out play in the
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: fourth quarter the other three best players on their team?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: So it comes down to the three best guys of
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: your team. They have to be two way players in
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: the fourth quarter to get stops, defensively, block shots, and
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: most of all, scored the ball on a short clock.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Who is Denver's third best player? Because we'll say, yok
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: it's clearly their best. We'll say Jimal Murray their second best.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Who's their third best player? Is it Gordon? Is it Brown?
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: Is it Cam Johnson? Who would you say is the
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: third best player?
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon? Okay? Yeah? Because of his versatility versatility. Absolutely,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: he's a threat.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: And whenever he makes an open jump shot from three
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: point shots, I yell out hallelujah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: So Denver against Boston, what do you like? Boston? Okay? Boston?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Good series? Oh?
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, Remember it's not a series until it goes six games,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: even though a team might play hall and it's really
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: the games are really close. If you lose four games
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: to one, I call it it was a playoff skirmish,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: all right. So when it goes six games, it's really
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: a series. And that's when you dislike strongly the other team.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: So you play against the same guy guarding you, fouling you,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: tripping you, elbowing you tohead, you dislike that person built
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: very very immensely.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: By the way, Bill, I love you, dog, all right,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: love you too. Dog.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: You want to answer a few text questions before we
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: get to our list of the very much. All right,
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: let's do this, Tom says Gordy jj J wasn't on
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: my bingo card for Jazz trades. But do you think
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: they'll make another trade around the draft?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, because they had best second unit
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: guys as possible. Yeah, that week of the of the draft,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: they can make trades. Yes, this one in from Tom.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Tom says, hey, Bill, Gordy's two conservative on the Jazz.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: The Jazz are a five or a six seed next year,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: legit contenders the following year, go mammoth.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Oh it might be that's that'd be a bit aggressive.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: No, Hey, it could happen. I'm saying more. Let's go
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: the Jazz right now. They won twenty two games. If
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: they win forty three games next year, it should be
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: they would be a playoffs. That'd be great plus twenty one.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: That's wonderful.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Hey, Bill, can you ask Gordy what he thinks of
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: the NBA's anti tanking proposals and the ideas that have
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: been floated around.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: You like them?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I do?
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just quickly. You're gonna try to flatten out. They're
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: gonna flatten out the odds. Where the six teams in
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: the East that made the playoffs right away and six
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: in the West, those twelve, those twelve are not part
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: of the lottery. The other remaining eighteen teams will be
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: a part of the lottery. And after the first four
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: it's the exact same as far as odds, as far
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: as getting it, it makes sense, a lot of sense.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: I go one step further. Why not have all eighteen
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: teams have one ball in it? And that's it?
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Wow? Just one? Just one?
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, keep it simple so that there's no tanking, Bill,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: just one. In other words, just say.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: So the eighteenth team has the same chance as the worst.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: That's correct. Okay, so there's no tanking zero none.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Okay zero.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Matt wants to know Gordy is Aj who played in
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Provo the real deal.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, very much. Absolutely, he'll be the first pick in
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: the draft.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I love his game. He's team orientated.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: He's special the way he plays the game, how he
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: conducts himself, and he can he can create his own
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: shot so off the dribble, that is absolutely critical. I've
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: seen him play live, so reminds me of reminds you
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: really a former NBA player, Tracy McGrady, But in the
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: present tense, he reminds me of younger version of Paul
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: George Brandon ingrin A Jalen Wilson Williams of the Thunder.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: That's what he plays like. He's a shot maker. He
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: can create his own for his teammates. He plays defense,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: and he's got he's got that it factor and I
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: love him.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: He's a great player. I got to see him in
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: person twice this year and he's and in his best
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: quality this year was he played a lot and played hard.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: There was some those guys that didn't play a lot
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: and didn't play hard.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: William Jacobson says, hey, Bill, welcome back, thanks to William.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: I think we all know who the Jazz are gonna
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: take if they get that number one pick. Well, yeah,
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: who do you used to want to see them take
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: if they land the three, four, or five or six spots?
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Gord to give a couple of names from like three
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: to six that the Jazz could look at.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, hey cuff, Okay Wilson from Carolina, Tylob Wilson.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he should be there, Fleming from Houston.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: I like him very good. You know what I like
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: about him. He played for Kelvin Samson, which means he
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: had to play hard and had to be tough and
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: had to guard a little bit. Wasn't a great guard,
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: but he guarded a little bit for a freshman.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, very much. Oh so let's get back to one second,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: b Yu all right, Richie Son. This that guy's good.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: It's so unfortunately towards Aco and it set back to
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Cougars very much. He's fiery, that guy can make shots,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: so he should be picked in the second round. I'm
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: just guessing you, Bill, between forty three to fifty three,
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: all right, and once they do the intel on his knee,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: to see where it's sad. As far as the rehab
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: of it, I'm sure he's a hard work, as far
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: as as far as making it make an injury, as
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: far as trying to get it as strong as he can.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: Bitchy son, you reminds me of in the NBA right now,
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: compasion would be Sam Houser of the Celtics, A G
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Green of the Bucks, and Sam Merrill of the CAFs.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: That he plays like and that they're all good players.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: In the NBA is Keton Woggler, a point guard in
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: the NBA, kid from Illinois. Yeah, he's six foot six,
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: he sees the floor really well.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I know you think he's a point guard?
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay, I do, I do, yes, So it's gonna
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: be a great draft. By the way, every draft is good.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Every draft is good because there'll be guys at late
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: first round that the do say.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: What the guy can't do, and suddenly in the NBA
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: he emerges.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: All right, me, I'm gonna give you a hypothetical here.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: The Jazz are picking at number five. They don't get
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: in the top four, they're at number five. You have
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: the option to take Keaton Waggler, Darius A. Cuff or
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: Caleb Wilson.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Caleb Wilson. Okay, Carolina, where do you play him? I'm
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: taking him?
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. I know he's a talent, but where do you
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: play him? Once you take him? Running? Four man? Okay, Yeah,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I'm taken him without any hesitation. So he backs up
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Jared Jackson, Yeah, or backs up Larry Markine. Okay, three,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: So he's you're seeing him as a three or a four?
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Absolutely? I love his game. Get you hurt? He broke
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: his wrist, so.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: You'd rather have him than than a point guard like
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Wagler who's six with six a true point guard?
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, I do like both, Okay, and again it's all hypothetically.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: The draft is a I call it the Great Unknown Bill.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: It's the unknown. But I know one thing right now
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: is that uh his NBA Playoffs bill when it starts
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: right now, it's a man's league. So you have to
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: be tough in the NFL and the NBA. The teams
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: that advance bill, they're ruthless.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Another hype of medical for you.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: You don't have the number one pick, a j De
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Bonds is gonna go number one, but you have the
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: number two pick. Are you taking Darren Peterson or Cameron Boozer.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: I'm making Gordy think. Now he's got a thinking, pensive
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: look on his face. Yes, Peterson, you're gonna you're gonna
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: roll the dice a little bit, assuming the medicals or
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: will not assume the medicals are okay, that he doesn't
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: have any physical issue.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: And also the intel, you know, the intel about him
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: around him. Who's his people, who's his family. I mean,
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: it's all part of the equation. And remember Ace Billy's
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: a wonderful person. The guy's wonderful. Every every he told
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: you that coaches them say he's really a great young man.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: And the intel about him, well, he don't want to
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: come here. Oh it says who said his agent and said,
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Remember a lot of times there's misinformation about players. So
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: it's your job as a people on the personnel side
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: to really go deep dig into it. That's your job
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: to get accurate intel.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: One more question then we'll get your list of the
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: day today. This question, how can Gordy determine how good
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: the Jazz defense is if they haven't put their best
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: team out there and ask them to play hard. Isn't
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: defense mostly effort?
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's effort and technique. Yeah, the answer is that's well,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: shouldn't you, as a pro always play hard?
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Oh my Bill, Bill, you give me a headache. I'm
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: having an out of body experience right now, Bill, I
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: can hardly talk. Okay, all right, the answer is you'd
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: hope that. But remember defense is based on effort and
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: technique and toughness, and it's such an intangible that most
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: players want want a tangible, tangible result, meaning what but
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: defense is intangible. But that's how you win. And the
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: better teams they play defense, whether it's whether it's the
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Thunder right now, the Celtics, And that's part that's part
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: of problem with the Nuggets, Bill, I'm picking them, but
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: their defense is only average. So they've got to act
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: out of character in the playoffs and get a better defense.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: Many years ago, Gordy and I talked about ranking different
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: things and I asked him to come up with a
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: list for me when he came back on the air.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: This is probably ten years ago.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Ever since then, every appearance, without fail, the Gordy Chiaysa
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: has made on the ESPN seven hundred, whether the Bill
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: Riley Show or the Shot O'Connell Show, or any show
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: that he's done. He has come armed with a list.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: Gordy chiaysa, I ask you today, dog and I love
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: you dog. What is our list of the day to day?
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: The list today, Bill is most NBA titles won by
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: a franchise. I cut it off at four. So four?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: So is this is this a top ten list or
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: just a top four list?
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: No, it's involved in a lot of teams, okay, because
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: they won four championships, all right? With four championships the
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Mammy Heat.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Excuse me? Put me said again? Excuse me?
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: With three championships to Mammy Heat with three, the lesson
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: being twenty thirteen. And do you I realized they Heat
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: started as a franchise startup back in eighteen, eighty eight
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: and eighty nine. They also been in four finals. So
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: in their Korea, they've been in three championships. They won
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: in fourth NBA finals. Detroit Pistons, Fort Wayne Pistons. They
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: moved from Fort Wayne to Detroit for the nineteen fifty
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: seven to fifty eight season. They also have three NBA
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: titles and four times they lost in the NBA finals.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Number next area the seventy sixth Philadelphia and the Warriors,
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: and the Syracuse Nationals They have three NBA titles and
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: lost in the finals six times. The last time they
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: were in the NBA they won the championship was nineteen
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: eighty three. Next one, the San Antonio Spurs. They have
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: five titles. The last one was two thousand and fourteen.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: They also lost in the finals one time, back in
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: seventy six to seventy seven. All right, Next one, Golden
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: State Warriors, also the Semanasisco Warriors. Right now they move
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: in Philadelphia to California. Back in nineteen sixty two. They
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: have five NBA championships. The last title was twenty twenty two.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: They also lost in the finals three times. Next one,
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Chicago Bulls. They started the expansion franchise. Their fresh year
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: was nineteen sixty six. Sixty seven. Jet the jet Walker
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: that's right, and also young Jerry Sloan are the former
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: Jazz coach and my friend and colleague. The Bulls won
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: six championships. We know about that, the last one being
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight. They've never lost an NBA final. Next
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: one second all time, the LA Minneapolis Lakers. They won
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: seventeen NBA championships and bill they lost also fifteen times
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: in the NBA finals. So they've been thirty two thirty two.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: So the Lakers have been to the finals thirty two
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: times their and their their career, the last one being
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: a championship was twenty twenty And this question all the
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: times X, Why did the LA what do they call Lakers?
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: And the reason why is they moved from Minneapolis, which
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: is called the Twin City and the land of ten
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: thousand Lakes back in the nineteen sixty sixty one season
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: where they played also with late hot Rod Hunley played
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: on that team.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: The number one team in the history of NBA basketball
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: the most titles is the Boston Celtics. The original NBA
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: format was nineteen forty six forty seven. The Celts have
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: won eighteen NBA titles, including the last title was twenty
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: twenty four, and they lost in the finals five times.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: So Lakers eighteen, Street Lakers seventeen. The Celts went above them.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Number eighteen Jazz Basketball. They've never been in the NBA
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: as far as championship, but the Jazz were twice. For
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: the Young Listeners went to the NBA finals back in
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven and ninety eight.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: A young Gordon Chiez on the bench.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: As zachar Ryan. Here's the last point about this. The
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: following NBA franchises have never been to the NBA Finals,
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Bill Net, As far as far as winning a championship,
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: winning a championship, they are the Brooklyn Nets never won
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: a championship, the Starlett Hornets, Indiana Pacers, LA Clippers, Memphis Grizzlies,
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Minnesota Timberwolves, the Orleans Pelicans, Phoenix Suns, and the Utah Jazz.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: A little about the Sacramento Kings and Sacramento Kinks. Correct,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Sacramento Kinks. Yes, so those teams have all not been
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: ever champions. Thus that's my list for today.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: It's a good list. Gordy Celtics eighteen though.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: I know and in your mind maybe number nineteen this.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Year could be. Yeah, it should be. So you just
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: picked them ten minutes ago.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be, absolutely Bill. How about the NFL
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: champions what do you think.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: This coming year?
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, I'll defer to my Kansas City Chiefs
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: if Patrick Mahomes gets healthy. But there's a lot of teams.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: That's the beauty of the NFL. You could sit here
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: today and say there's probably eight or nine teams that
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: could win the Super Bowl next year. I don't think
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: when you come into an NBA season all this year.
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: This year was a little bit different. I think you
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: come into an NBA season and say, maybe four teams
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: could win an NBA title, maybe five?
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Agree, yes, oh yeah absolutely. And by the way, who's
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: your quarterback? Exactly?
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: So much is so important. And by the way, in
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: the NBA, who's your superstar? That's exactly right, not quite
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: the same.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: Your quarterback's usually your superstar, but in the NBA eat
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: his most definitely.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Who's your super.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: Who can make baskets in the fourth quarter under a
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: minute left or make plays the will a team to win,
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: And that's Steph Curry as far as in the play
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: in tournament right now.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Speaking of superstars, who's your MVP? Nikolai Jokic, He's so good.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: I was at the Denver game a couple of weeks
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: ago when they were here in town, and when you
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: watch that guy play in person, it's really impressive how
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: much he controls a game. He just, I mean just
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: he He is absolutely in control of the game on
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: both ends of the floor for the.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Nuggets very much.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: So let's put it in context quickly, and if you're
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: up to the break right now, is that Yokis played
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: this year sixty five games thirty four times. He had
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: triple doubles thirty four so more than half the games
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: he played this year hit a triple double. And let's
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: put it in context. Cal Malone, with MVP of the
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: league twice in his career with the JS, had four
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: triple doubles. And John Stockton, who was an absolute great
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: player and his whole career, he's gonna have one triple
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: double one one one in nineteen years. Yogi's got thirty
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: four this season, so so, but Shay is great also,
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: So my instincts tell me that Shay's gonna win the
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: MVP again, which he's deserving also, But I would go
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: towards Jokic.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: I think I would go toward Jokic as well. But boy,
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: I would love to have Shae Yogis Alexander on my team. That, folks,
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: is my friend, the NBA insider, my dog of many years,
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: Gordon Chiasa, brought to us today by Aladdin Industries.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: So good to see you man about town. Let's go
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: grab some munch, shall we, yes? He will, Thanks Bill.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Peace out there, he is. Peace out to Gordon. Chiasa