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RJ Young on Arch Manning's HYPE, Florida State's Fall, & Ohio State's Ryan Day Problem | 10.14 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: have a guest join us. Long time member of the community.
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Speaker 1: First time guest. You can check out the RJ Young Show.
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Speaker 2: Catch him online. Check out his writing at foxsports.com.
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Speaker 1: Author of two books. Let It Bang and Requiem for
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Speaker 1: a Massacre. I have blurbed books for this man. So
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Speaker 1: I had to apologize to him. You look up sometime
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Speaker 1: have for a long time.
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Speaker 2: So RJ, what's going on, man?
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Speaker 3: Hey man, I be talking back to the show. You
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Speaker 3: just don't hear it.
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Speaker 2: That's all.
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Speaker 1: Nah man, I am glad to have you. Also, RJ,
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Speaker 1: big OU guy. So I figured that like, Way to
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Speaker 1: go for you guys, man. That was... Well, one, I
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Speaker 1: want to actually kind of talk about this a little bit.
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Speaker 1: We got a lot to get to. Ohio State and
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Speaker 1: Indiana play this week. There's also another, a very interesting
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Speaker 1: SEC game that I think is kind of being undersold
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Speaker 1: across things. But one thing you and I talked about
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Speaker 1: years ago when OU decided to go to the SEC was.
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Speaker 2: are you guys really going to enjoy this that much?
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Speaker 1: Like there are a handful of schools that I feel like,
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Speaker 1: I understand the moves that had to be made, but
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Speaker 1: like Arkansas would have enjoyed the last 30 years a
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Speaker 1: lot more if they were in the Big 12, for example.
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Speaker 2: There's a handful of those.
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Speaker 1: But with OU, there is the possibility always that they
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Speaker 1: could be a top-line competitor in the SEC, but the
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Speaker 1: floor has changed so much from what it has been
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Speaker 1: historically for that program.
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Speaker 2: So like, are you guys enjoying the SEC?
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Speaker 3: Hell no.
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Speaker 2: No, no.
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Speaker 3: No, hell no. You were way ahead on this, right?
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Speaker 3: It was, hey, look, everybody in there is going to
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Speaker 3: have that 8-4, that 7-5. Nick Saban is an outlier, right?
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Speaker 3: Georgia's always been good. They've never been this. They've never
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Speaker 3: been great. The thing about being an Oklahoma fan, though, twofold. One,
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Speaker 3: I like winning 11, 12 games a year. I like
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Speaker 3: knowing that my room is going to stay my room
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Speaker 3: at this hotel called the college football playoff. And eventually
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Speaker 3: we'll move up. Right. That was the thought in the
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Speaker 3: sec dog. I was telling somebody this, this the other
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Speaker 3: day realized that Vanderbilt got good in a hurry. Texas
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Speaker 3: A & M can't seem to figure it out all
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Speaker 3: while Kentucky is kicking that ass. And we got to
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Speaker 3: worry about every now and again, a Mississippi state or
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Speaker 3: even Lord help us. If Auburn get good again, everybody
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Speaker 3: in that league, can put these hands on you. And
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Speaker 3: at Oklahoma, that ain't, that ain't, that ain't been a
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Speaker 3: get down, especially for my lifetime. Well, I say my lifetime,
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Speaker 3: like I gratefully remember very little of the nineties because
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Speaker 3: I come online as a college football player and it's
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Speaker 3: like a teenager. So like around 1998, right? By the
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Speaker 3: time Bob get there, the part that I think that
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Speaker 3: we really need to discuss though, is I was telling folks,
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Speaker 3: they were like, this is a rollercoaster with Brent Venables.
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Speaker 3: I'm going, nah, that's just the SEC, right? You'll go
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Speaker 3: win 10 games. And then you'll go 7-6 with a
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Speaker 3: loss to Navy, or 6-7 with a loss to Navy.
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Speaker 3: And that's just what life is. I'm not enjoying that.
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Speaker 3: I don't like that.
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Speaker 2: It is, but you got that one over Texas, right?
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Speaker 1: Like, the thing that's so interesting with Texas and the SEC,
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Speaker 1: Texas is a little different than Oklahoma in the sense
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Speaker 1: that Texas has always been a bit more highfalutin about itself.
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Speaker 1: Texas reminds me of North Carolina in the sense that
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Speaker 1: the day will come where North Carolina is trying to
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Speaker 1: get into the SEC for survival, but it has always
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Speaker 1: held its nose up in the air about the idea
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Speaker 1: of getting into the SEC. Texas had also felt that
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Speaker 1: way while also being in these other conferences where they
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Speaker 1: had these decided structural advantages where they wanted to stay.
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Speaker 1: I felt like Texas and Oklahoma both had to go
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Speaker 1: to the SEC because it was going to become otherwise
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Speaker 1: impossible to get players because the Big 12 as a
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Speaker 1: sell job had just gotten to be a little bit
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Speaker 1: too difficult.
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Speaker 2: Now they're there.
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Speaker 1: The Oklahoma question is interesting because we treat Oklahoma like, ooh,
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Speaker 1: I wonder how they're going to do. Where with Texas,
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Speaker 1: I felt like, okay, this conference is going to shame
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Speaker 1: them into finally operating a little closer to capacity because historically,
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Speaker 1: They wanted to be good. They kind of preferred being
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Speaker 1: racist for a long time, and then they got over that.
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Speaker 2: But it was still where OU, you and I have
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Speaker 2: both read.
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Speaker 1: Switzer's Autobiography, Bootlegger Boy, where there's a chapter by the
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Speaker 1: then president who made it very clear OU football is
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Speaker 1: good because the state decided people needed something to make
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Speaker 1: them feel good about themselves. Being good at football is
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Speaker 1: not optional at OU the way it is optional at Texas.
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Speaker 1: But now, Texas, I feel like you're in the SEC
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Speaker 1: and you're looking around and you're realizing, yeah, nobody here
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Speaker 1: has any reason to be better than us, but shit
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Speaker 1: just keeps happening.
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Speaker 2: And that kind of needs to stop. Like, I do
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Speaker 2: wonder at what point they get to the place.
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Speaker 1: Because it's not, historically, it's not been an impatient job.
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Speaker 1: People typically get the time to make it work. Sark
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Speaker 1: better figure this out, though. Because now I think people
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Speaker 1: are really looking at it like, hey, hey, hey, hey,
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Speaker 1: come on, man.
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Speaker 2: What is this?
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Speaker 3: But who the hell are you going to go get? Like,
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Speaker 3: that was my other thought, right? Like, I hear you.
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Speaker 3: Because on the one hand, the recruiting advantage had always
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Speaker 3: been toward Texas. And we know this. Texas is about
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Speaker 3: talent evaluations. It ain't about recruiting.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: That's where it's tricky, by the way, that they have
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Speaker 1: to get everyone right. Remember that run where they had
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Speaker 1: to answer for everybody else's quarterbacks because they didn't get them?
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Speaker 2: Nobody ever has to do that.
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Speaker 3: Matt Brown catching hell for RG3, Johnny Manziel, like anybody
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Speaker 3: that ever came out of Texas at all during that period,
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Speaker 3: he catching hands for, especially when we was real big on,
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this, but I remember
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Speaker 3: this clearly. A, what is it with you recruiting quarterbacks
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Speaker 3: to play wide receivers? What is it with you recruiting
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Speaker 3: quarterbacks to play safety? You can't do that down there.
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Speaker 1: But the only thing was no power conference school offered Robert.
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Speaker 2: Nobody in the Big 12 offered Robert Griffin.
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Speaker 1: They only offered after Bryles got the job at Baylor,
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Speaker 1: but he was going to go to Houston.
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Speaker 2: A & M did not have to answer for this.
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Speaker 1: Nobody did they went from having sims to having events
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Speaker 1: to having it basically went from 16 years as a
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Speaker 1: school of having great quarterback play to having to answer
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Speaker 1: for everyone they did not get in a three-year.
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Speaker 3: Cycle but i can understand it from one standpoint a
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Speaker 3: you hit on vince and you hit on vince right
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Speaker 3: when you should have like yes forget they made an
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Speaker 3: offense that he could finally run and then he was
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Speaker 3: unstoppable so much so that we put that offense in
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Speaker 3: at high school like you would run that sort of,
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Speaker 3: we call it a Texas spread because it was playing
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Speaker 3: point guard with him. And then you got Andrew Luck
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Speaker 3: at Stanford and people are going, wait, how'd that boy
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Speaker 3: get us outside of Texas? But more to the point
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Speaker 3: that I would make today around Texas is that your
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Speaker 3: roster is better than almost everybody. There are three teams,
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Speaker 3: four teams with a roster better than Texas, right? And
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Speaker 3: we know them all. They're all good. Georgia, LSU, Ohio State.
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Speaker 3: That's where I'm going to end that. And that is
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Speaker 3: where we are going to judge you. That's how we're
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Speaker 3: going to judge you, which is why that loss to
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Speaker 3: Oklahoma ain't about me feeling good about beating Texas because, oh,
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Speaker 3: you ain't beat Texas. That's one offensive TV in there
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Speaker 3: where the quarterback can happen to not put the ball
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Speaker 3: on the floor or throw the ball to other people.
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Speaker 3: That was a game that was much more sweet to
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Speaker 3: me because I watched Texas lose it again and again
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Speaker 3: and again and again. I had so much fun watching. Wait,
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Speaker 3: did Arch Manning just throw it in 500? And then
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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, cool. Can of corn. Oski, let me
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Speaker 3: take this back to the house. That sort of stuff.
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Speaker 3: It's fluky. That's the other part. I know Texas is
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Speaker 3: a good football team. Is it the number one team? No.
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Speaker 3: Georgia's still on the Death Star Tour. But If you
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Speaker 3: Steve Sarkeesian, don't come out here talking to me about
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Speaker 3: what Arch Manning might be considered if his name was
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Speaker 3: not Manning. Bo, I hate that kind of impractical bullshit
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Speaker 3: that we be on because, hey man, he is talented.
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Speaker 3: He just ain't playing to that potential. And you the
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Speaker 3: play caller, you the quarterback's coach, figure that shit out.
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Speaker 3: He refuses to do that, or at the very least,
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Speaker 3: He's coddling a dude I don't think needs to be coddled. Like,
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Speaker 3: I honestly believe that Arch will handle whatever coaching you
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Speaker 3: want to give him. But we entered into a space
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Speaker 3: where Texas has become an apologist. And I hate that.
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Speaker 3: I need him to be the same, you know, rich
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Speaker 3: old white man that they've been for a long time
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Speaker 3: because I can trust that dude.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you this, though.
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Speaker 1: I still don't think you really want to have problems
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Speaker 1: with him if it comes to playoff time because head
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Speaker 1: coach of the defense, Will Buschamp, Them boys is flying.
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Speaker 1: And Colin Simmons, I think we agree, that's the best
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Speaker 1: defensive player in the country, right?
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Speaker 3: No, we don't agree there. He's good. He real good.
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Speaker 2: Who you got over him?
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Speaker 3: Chris Cole, Georgia. Yeah, I think that's fair. That dude,
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Speaker 3: he don't play linebacker. Like, imagine if Caleb Downs was
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Speaker 3: 20 pounds heavier and we asked him to play in
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Speaker 3: the middle of the defense. You can't do nothing with him.
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Speaker 3: That's the problem. Like, with Colin Simmons... I could see
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Speaker 3: a dude that I could double-team if I could double-team him, right?
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Speaker 3: But that's not like Aaron Donald in the middle. That's not,
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Speaker 3: to use a much more recent end, that's not Chase
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Speaker 3: Young on the outside. However, Raheem Biles, that's another dude.
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Speaker 3: He transferred in from Pitt. He's from Ohio, right? And
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Speaker 3: the thing was, He said, look, I don't care nothing
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Speaker 3: about Ohio State. Went to work on them, by the way,
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Speaker 3: because they didn't recruit me. And everybody was like, Texas
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Speaker 3: ain't recruit you neither. Didn't matter. Like, they got dudes. Like,
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Speaker 3: I think the thing about Colin this year, though, is
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Speaker 3: that your man must change. has designed a defense that
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Speaker 3: has allowed for that dude to be one-on-one against your best,
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Speaker 3: and he will beat him. And that is becoming rarer
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Speaker 3: at the edge position. Like, there's three or four dudes
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Speaker 3: that can do that. Outside of him, though, I can
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Speaker 3: go to four other players I might tell you could
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Speaker 3: be six seven eight nine ten in as far as
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Speaker 3: the best defensive players in that league and i think
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Speaker 3: that's one of the things that makes them great because
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Speaker 3: that that defense can win a national championship is whether
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Speaker 3: or not that offense will get online.
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Speaker 1: Yeah and i i think i talked about this when
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Speaker 1: we did the show on sunday about arch is that
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Speaker 1: eli i mean peyton manning got people misunderstanding what mannings
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Speaker 1: are you know what i mean like like he's the
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Speaker 1: outlier can i ask you a question yes all right
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Speaker 1: so We know that Arch is a quarterback.
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Speaker 3: We know Payton's a quarterback. We know Eli's a quarterback.
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Speaker 3: We know Archie's a quarterback. What is about Cooper that
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Speaker 3: said wide receiver?
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Speaker 2: Well, Cooper the only one of them that was fast.
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Speaker 1: I've always said I can't imagine how embarrassed Archie was
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Speaker 1: at having these slow ass boys.
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Speaker 3: The idea that he also would create a quarterback, right?
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Speaker 3: Like Marshall Manning is at Baylor, the Baylor school in Tennessee,
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Speaker 3: which I think it's something like $ 71, 000 a semester or something.
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Speaker 3: He's going to be that dude. I get that part, right?
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Speaker 3: I've never quite understood how Arch Manning, who's got all
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Speaker 3: his dad's speed, size, ability, comes up throwing the football.
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Speaker 3: Even at a place like Isidore Newman, which is a
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Speaker 3: 2A highfalutin high school in New Orleans, ain't nobody said
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Speaker 3: wide receiver to that boy. I'm not saying they do,
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Speaker 3: but I just always found that fascinating and interesting because
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Speaker 3: Cooper looks like one of those dudes that, actually low-key,
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Speaker 3: might be the coolest of the three, and all three
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Speaker 3: of them brothers is cool. Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: Now, they are.
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Speaker 1: He has been done in by the name, and I
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Speaker 1: feel like Archie has done his best to try to
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Speaker 1: tamp all that stuff down. Like, it doesn't feel to
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Speaker 1: me like they've leaned into all that hype or everything,
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Speaker 1: but the way that people talked about him last year,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's people on TV that obviously don't
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Speaker 1: even mean what they're saying, right?
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Speaker 2: It's just, we're just going to sell this.
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Speaker 1: He's the best quarterback or the biggest quarterback.
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Speaker 2: Since Tim Tebow. First of all, they've been better than
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Speaker 2: Tim Tebow, like, immediately after Tim Tebow. But the hype machine.
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Speaker 1: I did not feel at all like Texas or Arch
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Speaker 1: were responsible for it. It was just a decision that
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Speaker 1: was made before the season by a lot of people
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Speaker 1: that this is how we're going to sell the thing.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, a lot of that's ESPN because ESPN sells Fox.
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Speaker 1: Fox does a lot of college football, too, but they
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Speaker 1: don't sell it seven days a week. ESPN sells this
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Speaker 1: seven days a week and they tried to sell it
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Speaker 1: off Arch. And then after a week, they was like, shit,
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Speaker 1: abort mission, man. This isn't a this isn't what we
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Speaker 1: thought we were selling at all.
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Speaker 3: I think a couple things happen here. One is the
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Speaker 3: hype around Arch Manning is deserved from a potential standpoint.
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Speaker 3: If you just sit there and watch him play 7-on-7
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Speaker 3: or throw routes on air, you can talk yourself into it.
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Speaker 3: But I can talk myself into a lot. Another dude
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Speaker 3: that I think we have overhyped that might be a
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Speaker 3: good comparison is Lenore Sellers at South Carolina. That is
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Speaker 3: another dude that people think of like Anthony Richardson at Florida.
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Speaker 3: It's he's got everything you want from a professional standpoint
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Speaker 3: of a position of quarterback, physically talented. And I go,
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Speaker 3: but his decision making ain't there. And I don't trust him.
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Speaker 3: And every once in a while, both of those guys
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Speaker 3: will have games. I say all three of those guys
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Speaker 3: have games where they just take it over. And you'd
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Speaker 3: be like, OK, if they can get more of that
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Speaker 3: than what we've seen, it'd be all right. That's never
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Speaker 3: clicked with Arch. But here's the thing that is going
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Speaker 3: to make modern football, modern college football so much more fun.
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Speaker 3: Every year that these quarterbacks play, as starters, they get better.
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Speaker 3: They don't regress. Not on the whole. Like, Darian Mintz
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Speaker 3: is out here throwing darts. 84% completion rate, which is absurd.
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Speaker 3: 21 incompletions on 150 passes. It's absurd. But he's gotten
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Speaker 3: better each year because now we're getting into, actually, no,
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Speaker 3: I can play 5 for 5 and they're going to
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Speaker 3: pay me to play 5 for 5. I think we're
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Speaker 3: just expecting that dude in Arch Manning to mature at
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Speaker 3: a much quicker rate than he has. But, think that
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Speaker 3: dude could stick around for another couple of years and
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Speaker 3: i think sark would be happy to have him and
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Speaker 3: then he could finally have something click and then we
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Speaker 3: in this money man by.
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Speaker 1: The way that does happen like carson palmer with the
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Speaker 1: infamous four offensive coordinators in four years while he was
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Speaker 1: at usc but it really wasn't a thing until the
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Speaker 1: senior year right and then all of a sudden he
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Speaker 1: became a quarterback built from granted like all the things
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Speaker 1: that came around but it was three years of what's
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Speaker 1: the big deal with this guy and then they finally
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Speaker 1: figured it out toward the end right like vince young
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Speaker 1: in halfway through redshirt sophomore year, it was time to
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Speaker 1: change positions. Then a couple of things change and they break.
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Speaker 1: And then it goes from there. You mentioned Mensah. I
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Speaker 1: want to bring this up because Miami has been looking
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Speaker 1: like Miami. It's interesting though, because we all understand. Cristobal
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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways is the coach that I
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Speaker 1: feel like shouldn't be, there shouldn't be too many more
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Speaker 1: of these anymore.
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Speaker 2: And this is what I mean. Great recruiter.
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Speaker 1: You're going to have a clear style of football and,
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Speaker 1: Scheme and strategy, though.
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Speaker 2: He's not that different than Les Miles, right?
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Speaker 1: He's an offensive line coach with a team that's going
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Speaker 1: to have the mentality, which is a good thing I
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Speaker 1: mean in this way.
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Speaker 2: The mentality of the offensive line coach.
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Speaker 1: But if it comes down to who's making decisions to
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Speaker 1: win this, you don't have your money on Cristobal.
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Speaker 2: But they.
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Speaker 1: They look like they've built, which is the hardest thing
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Speaker 1: to do, what Dan Lanning keeps trying to do at
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Speaker 1: Oregon but can't quite, which is building an SEC team
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Speaker 1: not in the SEC.
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Speaker 2: Like playing Saban ball not in that conference.
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Speaker 3: But they're playing Saban ball from like 2015 to 2017.
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Speaker 3: Kind of like Kirby. No, not like Kirby. Not like Kirby.
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Speaker 3: Let's come back around to that. It's more like after
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Speaker 3: Nick figured out, oh, y'all want to do this dual
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Speaker 3: threat stuff? Y'all want to have these quarterbacks that can
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Speaker 3: move around? Y'all want to light up the scoreboard? Cool.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's do it.
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Speaker 3: Let's do it. He was mad. He was like, is
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Speaker 3: this what you want football to be? Cool. I can
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Speaker 3: do that too. Like, you know, hey, Lane, throw this
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Speaker 3: ball to Amari Cooper a million times.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
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Speaker 3: Henry Ruggs, Jerry Judy. Jalen Waddle, Devontae Smith. That's how
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Speaker 3: they feel right now. That's Mario Cristobal's Miami. But the
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Speaker 3: point that I raised about him as opposed to the
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Speaker 3: Les Miles thing, you are right. Save one thing. Mario
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Speaker 3: Cristobal knows, knows he is the handsomest man in every room.
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Speaker 3: He walks around with the kind of swagger that I
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Speaker 3: think Les Miles should envy. Because that dude walks in
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Speaker 3: everywhere thinking that it's going to become a place that
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Speaker 3: is safe. and fun for him. Now, on the other hand,
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Speaker 3: talking about the on the field stuff, what I call
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Speaker 3: the head coach and stuff, can he go get you
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Speaker 3: a bucket as a head coach? I'll never forget. Kirby Smart,
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Speaker 3: we talk about him as a strategist, but he has
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Speaker 3: become a head coach, go get you a bucket. Ohio State,
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Speaker 3: that 2023 college football playoff, it looked like they were
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Speaker 3: going to kick a field goal, and that was going
17:21
Speaker 3: to be that, right? And right before that, Kirby out
17:23
Speaker 3: here getting this time out, right? Getting it right when
17:26
Speaker 3: you need it. I'm going, If you don't stop the
17:27
Speaker 3: clock there, everything is in rhythm for Ohio State and
17:30
Speaker 3: this kicker to go do what they got to do.
17:33
Speaker 3: Mario stopped making those kinds of mistakes last year. And
17:36
Speaker 3: look at what happened. They make the national championship game.
17:40
Speaker 3: Maybe coaches develop too. Maybe. But as much as I
17:44
Speaker 3: want to give him credit for this, man, Shannon Dawson,
17:47
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator out there, has been on another level. But
17:50
Speaker 3: think about it this way. He made Cam Ward and
17:52
Speaker 3: Carson Beck. into dudes and those are two very different
17:55
Speaker 3: kinds of quarterbacks running the same system and now we
17:59
Speaker 3: got a dude that is throwing the ball and more
18:01
Speaker 3: importantly Bo you've been around a team or watched a
18:05
Speaker 3: team like Miami where they just don't put the ball
18:07
Speaker 3: on the floor yeah like that's that's remarkable everybody catching
18:10
Speaker 3: the ball everybody is catching the ball how do you
18:13
Speaker 3: contend with that if you know that you got the
18:16
Speaker 3: surest wide receiver hands and you got this dude Mark
18:18
Speaker 3: Fletcher that's a load you feel like you could win
18:20
Speaker 3: every game now they don't play Florida State this week
18:23
Speaker 3: which is That ain't nobody. I don't think Mike Norvell
18:26
Speaker 3: going to get fired off that game, but he could
18:27
Speaker 3: get fired. Notre Dame's the only team that might be
18:30
Speaker 3: able to beat them, right? Can Marcus Freeman out-coach Mario Cristobal?
18:35
Speaker 3: The answer should be yes, but at this point, Mario
18:37
Speaker 3: Cristobal might just be doing enough. He might be doing enough.
18:41
Speaker 1: Hey, you just mentioned something about Florida State and Norvell.
18:44
Speaker 1: Are you surprised that nobody's gotten fired yet?
18:47
Speaker 3: Yes.
18:47
Speaker 1: Because in the last couple of years, by now, dudes
18:49
Speaker 1: start getting fired.
18:51
Speaker 3: Yes.
18:51
Speaker 1: Nobody's been fired. Florida State, I mean, the answer seems
18:54
Speaker 1: to be obvious. They ain't got the money.
18:58
Speaker 3: And they just fired the athletic director. Yeah.
19:01
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. So you got to get the new
19:02
Speaker 2: athletic director and let him do it.
19:06
Speaker 3: There was a time when I was talking to Ron,
19:09
Speaker 3: my best friend, right? And it was like, what is
19:11
Speaker 3: it with Mike Norvell? And at the time, I was going, hey,
19:14
Speaker 3: he lose the wrong football game to the wrong team. Like,
19:16
Speaker 3: he was going to get to play against his alma mater,
19:18
Speaker 3: which is Central Arkansas. And I was like, he might
19:22
Speaker 3: not be around for that. He survived that. But Norvell
19:25
Speaker 3: having to survive at Florida State has been way less
19:29
Speaker 3: fun than I thought it would be. I thought perhaps,
19:32
Speaker 3: because remember, that dude's not just from Central Arkansas. He
19:34
Speaker 3: was also a grad assistant at T.U., I knew him
19:37
Speaker 3: casually right at TU, but this is a Malzahn guy.
19:40
Speaker 3: And I always thought that that offense, my track and
19:42
Speaker 3: what he was doing in Memphis had been working. But
19:44
Speaker 3: now I've come to think of Memphis kind of like
19:46
Speaker 3: James Madison's is just one of these programs where head
19:48
Speaker 3: coaches just tend to win. Right. For whatever reason. Now
19:52
Speaker 3: you get to a place like Florida State where winning
19:56
Speaker 3: in the Bobby Bowden era becomes kind of what you expect.
19:59
Speaker 3: And then Jimbo kind of pushed it as far as
20:01
Speaker 3: I think you can push it without pissing people off
20:03
Speaker 3: and then piss people off. Now we're at a place
20:06
Speaker 3: where I'm not sure what Florida State is. And that's,
20:09
Speaker 3: I mean, I really want to get that back to
20:10
Speaker 3: you because we can make a discussion. We can have
20:13
Speaker 3: a different discussion about 2013 Florida State, right? I think
20:16
Speaker 3: that's one of the worst teams to win a national championship,
20:18
Speaker 3: but that's me.
20:19
Speaker 2: Really?
20:20
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I'm not.
20:22
Speaker 1: Despite all the talent and despite the results.
20:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
20:29
Speaker 2: That's a hot take. Look, I'm... Is it just because
20:33
Speaker 2: of Jimbo?
20:35
Speaker 3: Some of it. Some of it. Some of it. It's also,
20:39
Speaker 3: the Jameis that I saw, I'm going, man, look, if
20:43
Speaker 3: I give this to other dudes, is he going to
20:45
Speaker 3: be that good? No, he's going to be 30 for
20:47
Speaker 3: 30 like he was at Tampa. You know, that was
20:50
Speaker 3: the other... I had a hard time with them because
20:52
Speaker 3: I thought the schedule wasn't always there. I thought they...
20:55
Speaker 3: trying to remember that game that sticks out in my brain,
20:59
Speaker 3: that they flubbed up and it was found money. It'll
21:04
Speaker 3: come to me because I'm going from 2012 with Notre
21:08
Speaker 3: Dame and Alabama to that team. I was going, this
21:10
Speaker 3: Alabama team from 2012 would beat the hell out of
21:12
Speaker 3: this team. And then we go to the college football playoff, right?
21:15
Speaker 3: And then I have to go in my head, does
21:16
Speaker 3: this Ohio State team get beat by that Florida State team? No,
21:21
Speaker 3: it's also the last year of the BCS. But again,
21:23
Speaker 3: back to the Florida State point today, I'm not sure
21:27
Speaker 3: who they are. Who are they to you?
21:30
Speaker 1: The problem they've got is, and Miami had to adjust
21:34
Speaker 1: to this also, the competitive advantage that they had through
21:39
Speaker 1: the 80s and 90s truly was they got on this
21:42
Speaker 1: thing that their neighbors weren't really trying to get on,
21:45
Speaker 1: which is, what if we get all the best players
21:48
Speaker 1: that we possibly can?
21:51
Speaker 2: How about we do that?
21:52
Speaker 1: Now, that might mean 11 black dudes on defense. It
21:57
Speaker 1: just might, but we're going to do it anyway, right?
22:00
Speaker 1: Like that was the advance. Like what advance did Bobby
22:04
Speaker 1: Bowden make? recruiting black dudes. What was the strategy on defense?
22:09
Speaker 1: We're going to rush four and drop seven and be
22:11
Speaker 1: faster than everybody. Dominique always talks about this on offense.
22:15
Speaker 1: Even at the time when he was in school, he
22:16
Speaker 1: was like, all they ran was ghosts were goals and posts.
22:20
Speaker 2: That was all it was like. There was, there was,
22:21
Speaker 2: there was nothing at.
22:23
Speaker 1: All advanced in what they did other than go and
22:27
Speaker 1: get the best players. So now that you get to
22:32
Speaker 1: this place, The ACC caught Florida State. And it wasn't
22:36
Speaker 1: that Florida State really lagged back in total. The rest
22:39
Speaker 1: of the world started recruiting Florida a little bit more.
22:42
Speaker 1: The ACC caught up with them and they became just
22:45
Speaker 1: an ACC school.
22:46
Speaker 2: Post Jimbo, that's largely what they've been. And they're at
22:50
Speaker 2: a good location.
22:51
Speaker 1: At least it used to be before money, because the
22:52
Speaker 1: thing that people misunderstand geographically is how far north in Georgia,
22:57
Speaker 1: Athens is. And how far that is from South Georgia
23:00
Speaker 1: to where Florida State is the home team for a
23:03
Speaker 1: lot of those kids in South Georgia, for example.
23:06
Speaker 2: Well, now if it comes down to money, they ain't
23:08
Speaker 2: got it.
23:09
Speaker 1: So what actual factual advantage does Florida State have that
23:15
Speaker 1: they can leverage right now?
23:18
Speaker 2: I don't see it.
23:19
Speaker 3: To your point, it used to be like my daddy's
23:21
Speaker 3: from Campbellton, Florida, which is in the panhandle. It didn't
23:26
Speaker 3: have a dot on the state map until like 2004, right?
23:31
Speaker 3: But we always called it Lower Alabama because it's Dothan, Alabama.
23:36
Speaker 3: It's not that far away, right? And you could get
23:38
Speaker 3: to Georgia. And Jacksonville might as well be Lower Georgia.
23:42
Speaker 3: So when you could recruit those- Yes.
23:44
Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
23:47
Speaker 3: So you could recruit that. And one of the things
23:49
Speaker 3: I would point to people is, when did you know
23:51
Speaker 3: that Florida State was going to take a dive? When-
23:55
Speaker 3: That big dude from Ulee, Florida, didn't give Florida State
23:59
Speaker 3: a look.
24:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:00
Speaker 3: Derek Henry ending up at Alabama and bypassing both Florida
24:05
Speaker 3: and Florida State altogether told me everything I needed to know.
24:10
Speaker 3: Because if you looked at what that man was doing
24:12
Speaker 3: in high school, again, he ain't playing against anybody. I mean,
24:16
Speaker 3: they had a rule for him. They take him out
24:17
Speaker 3: after they score so many touchdowns. absurd, right? But he
24:22
Speaker 3: didn't look at Florida State. He didn't look at Florida.
24:26
Speaker 3: He always was looking at Georgia and Alabama. That was it.
24:31
Speaker 3: And I remember thinking to myself, so where did we
24:35
Speaker 3: get all these players? We, being a guy that was
24:37
Speaker 3: from Florida, Tidewater, right? The idea, another way of putting this,
24:42
Speaker 3: realized that Bobby Bowden was in a position to stash
24:46
Speaker 3: Randy Moss.
24:48
Speaker 2: Yes.
24:49
Speaker 3: And it didn't hurt him. It didn't hurt him.
24:51
Speaker 2: And Peter Warrick.
24:54
Speaker 3: Lord have mercy. There's only one program that could do
25:00
Speaker 3: that today. Only one. It's Georgia, right? Like everybody else,
25:05
Speaker 3: you got to play them. Yeah. You got to play him.
25:08
Speaker 3: It's like, nah, I told the president that I would let,
25:10
Speaker 3: I would tell Randy he got to sit for the year. Why?
25:13
Speaker 3: Why here?
25:16
Speaker 1: This is Florida State. You guys could, one game and
25:22
Speaker 1: all the controversy would disappear.
25:25
Speaker 3: One game. And that dude, man, like, I so wanted
25:30
Speaker 3: to see him play at Florida State because it was,
25:33
Speaker 3: it was the opportunity to see a really great player
25:36
Speaker 3: On what was one of the best programs in all
25:38
Speaker 3: the college football. I'm also looking around at the rest
25:41
Speaker 3: of this and asking, like, because we have this discussion
25:44
Speaker 3: quite a bit, I think, out loud. What has name,
25:48
Speaker 3: image and likeness done to the sport in so far
25:52
Speaker 3: as the talent advantage? Because, again, a lot of this
25:54
Speaker 3: is based on area. Can you recruit the area? Do
25:57
Speaker 3: you have a pipeline, right? Did you run the oil
26:00
Speaker 3: pipeline all the way out to California to get it
26:02
Speaker 3: to come back to Oklahoma? Yeah, we did. Ohio, did
26:05
Speaker 3: you run it all the way down to South Florida
26:06
Speaker 3: to get it to come back? Yeah, we did. That
26:08
Speaker 3: ain't true no more. And the loyalty to the brand
26:12
Speaker 3: is only true for a few. And I think that's
26:14
Speaker 3: gone out the window because one of the things that
26:16
Speaker 3: always kind of got to me was Texas, going back
26:18
Speaker 3: in a second. Jalen Milrow did my show in high school,
26:23
Speaker 3: coming out of Katie Tompkins. It was good. It was
26:25
Speaker 3: real good. And he had committed to Texas at the time.
26:28
Speaker 3: And I said, hey, man, you know what I know
26:30
Speaker 3: about Texas. Why you want to go to Texas? Or
26:33
Speaker 3: just all I ever want to do. That's the school.
26:36
Speaker 3: That's what means the most to me. And then Mike
26:39
Speaker 3: Yursich got in there and did the dumbest thing ever
26:41
Speaker 3: and pulled the offer. And Nick Saban said, hey, Jalen,
26:45
Speaker 3: you want to come to Tuscaloosa? Back to that point
26:49
Speaker 3: that I think you put me on. Nick was really
26:52
Speaker 3: the first dude that said, I don't care what you
26:56
Speaker 3: look like, I want to win at LSU, right? And
27:00
Speaker 3: ever since then, looking at LSU, anybody can win there,
27:04
Speaker 3: which I think is the reason why I would never
27:05
Speaker 3: hire Mariah Kelly for another job. Anybody can win at LSU, right?
27:09
Speaker 3: Because that was the thing, just recruit the state. That
27:13
Speaker 3: doesn't exist anymore. And I'm curious, especially as you have
27:16
Speaker 3: been doing a little bit more reporting around this, do
27:21
Speaker 3: players actually give a damn?
27:23
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
27:24
Speaker 1: I think the money now, money in the depth chart
27:29
Speaker 1: are going to answer the question, but the money is
27:30
Speaker 1: going to speak to the money in the depth chart
27:33
Speaker 1: like this right here, right? They're not going to offer
27:36
Speaker 1: you so much to not play. To me, markets are
27:40
Speaker 1: going to work out most of this by and large.
27:44
Speaker 1: The trick is going to be, can you evaluate the
27:47
Speaker 1: guys that not everybody else is on and get them
27:51
Speaker 1: cheap for like a year? because ain't nothing going to
27:54
Speaker 1: last for long man I can't imagine trying to work
27:56
Speaker 1: in these programs just like pure unadulterated chaos every year
28:00
Speaker 1: everything changes it's I get why they feel like it
28:03
Speaker 1: needs saving it don't need saving but it does need
28:05
Speaker 1: some guardrails like I think that we would all like
28:07
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28:10
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Speaker 1: with RJ Young. We have Ohio State. state in Indiana
29:41
Speaker 1: and a Titanic football clash. Ohio state maybe has the
29:45
Speaker 1: chance to break up Indiana's 22 game winning streak. Again,
29:49
Speaker 1: these things that we're saying about football. I have not
29:53
Speaker 1: watched this Indiana team play as much. Everything I've seen
29:57
Speaker 1: from Ohio State has just involved Jeremiah Smith doing incredible things.
30:02
Speaker 3: I've watched a lot of both of these teams because
30:05
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated, right? Like I had Indiana as my preseason
30:08
Speaker 3: number one and I had Ohio State as my preseason
30:10
Speaker 3: number two. With the thing being this October 17th being
30:14
Speaker 3: circled way in advance, especially after the Big Ten Championship
30:17
Speaker 3: and especially after Indiana ran right through Alabama and Oregon
30:22
Speaker 3: on the way to beating Miami for a national title.
30:27
Speaker 3: The Hoosiers in football. Okay.
30:30
Speaker 2: All right.
30:31
Speaker 3: The thing about this Indiana team that is interesting, though,
30:33
Speaker 3: is that defensive front is still nasty. They got two
30:36
Speaker 3: dudes on that defense that ought to be playing the
30:38
Speaker 3: NFL now, but got the fifth year back. So they
30:40
Speaker 3: came back, right? And Stephen Daly and Kellen Wyatt. And
30:45
Speaker 3: Nick Marsh is one of my favorite football players to
30:49
Speaker 3: watch because he is the first wide receiver I've ever
30:51
Speaker 3: seen who doesn't take any time off. He puts his
30:54
Speaker 3: hands on everybody all the time, loves to block a
30:57
Speaker 3: cornerback into the dirt as if it's his job. And
31:00
Speaker 3: then in winning time, he can go make that play
31:02
Speaker 3: for you. They got two dudes at Indiana, Charlie Becker
31:06
Speaker 3: and Nick Marsh, that can go make plays. Josh Hoover
31:08
Speaker 3: went from turnover machine at Texas Christian to 17-0 as
31:11
Speaker 3: a TD to INT ratio at Indiana. Let me tell
31:15
Speaker 3: you something.
31:16
Speaker 1: Joel is going to love you saying that because nothing
31:18
Speaker 1: Joel loves more.
31:19
Speaker 2: Than a strike against Sonny Dykes. There it is right there.
31:25
Speaker 3: The offensive line is doing all that work, right? That
31:28
Speaker 3: would be the knock on Sonny's offense is, hey, you
31:31
Speaker 3: asking that dude to stand back there for three sec
31:33
Speaker 3: is not one to go. And Kirk is going, why
31:36
Speaker 3: are you still holding on to football? Right. Let it go.
31:39
Speaker 3: And they got, you know, they got tailbacks that can
31:41
Speaker 3: make it work. On the Ohio State side, right fast,
31:44
Speaker 3: it's not just Jeremiah Smith. It is Julian Sane. They
31:50
Speaker 3: got a quarterback. Like I've said, Ohio State gets to
31:53
Speaker 3: play the game with another queen on the chessboard. And
31:55
Speaker 3: that queen is Jeremiah Smith. He's open if it's one-on-one.
31:58
Speaker 3: He's sort of open if it's two-on-one. Somebody else is
32:02
Speaker 3: open if it's three-on-one. And Julian has been making that
32:05
Speaker 3: right decision so far. They just can't run the football
32:08
Speaker 3: as well as they like. And their offensive line, which
32:11
Speaker 3: returns all five starts from last year, is still not great.
32:15
Speaker 3: So you can get to them. And Texas could get
32:17
Speaker 3: to them. And that was part of it. But you
32:19
Speaker 3: also saw in that game, Ohio State had a 20-point lead, dog.
32:22
Speaker 3: They just blew it. I'm excited about this. Clearly, I'm
32:25
Speaker 3: excited about this.
32:26
Speaker 2: Where are you on Ryan Day?
32:30
Speaker 3: I don't think I've seen a man adapt to what
32:33
Speaker 3: the expectation is from his base. Better than Ryan Day.
32:39
Speaker 3: I think he's a good football coach. I do. I
32:41
Speaker 3: also think that he knows every year is a year
32:47
Speaker 3: he can get fired for losing the wrong game. And
32:52
Speaker 3: he's lost that wrong game a little more often than
32:56
Speaker 3: he should. In 2024, that is, yeah, they won the
33:01
Speaker 3: national championship, but they had to. And I don't think
33:05
Speaker 3: that's true anywhere else in the country. Anywhere else in
33:09
Speaker 3: the country. We're not going to say because you lost
33:11
Speaker 3: to Michigan, you got to get fired, especially after the
33:14
Speaker 3: rest of it. Or Kyle McCourt, who got the hell
33:17
Speaker 3: up out of there as a quarterback because he lost
33:19
Speaker 3: that game and nobody wanted to see him anymore.
33:22
Speaker 2: They won 11 games.
33:24
Speaker 1: So the thing that's interesting about that to me is
33:27
Speaker 1: if the John Cooper years are any indication, and people
33:30
Speaker 1: tell me things are different than they were then, but.
33:34
Speaker 2: I hold off on that.
33:34
Speaker 1: I just bring that up to say they waited until
33:38
Speaker 1: Cooper went like six and six before they fired him.
33:42
Speaker 1: You'll just wish you had gotten fired. It's kind of
33:45
Speaker 1: like Alabama. Alabama didn't always fire. Ray Perkins got out
33:50
Speaker 1: of there. Bill Curry kind of sort of got fired,
33:53
Speaker 1: but in the end, you could say that he got
33:54
Speaker 1: out of there.
33:55
Speaker 2: Franchoni got out of there.
33:57
Speaker 1: Ohio State is one of those where they're not necessarily
34:00
Speaker 1: going to fire you.
34:01
Speaker 2: You're just not really going to enjoy it.
34:03
Speaker 1: I don't know what Ohio State would have to do
34:05
Speaker 1: for Ryan Day to get any credit for it.
34:07
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you this.
34:08
Speaker 1: I was watching some of one of those games on
34:10
Speaker 1: Sunday with the Commanders of Washington against the Giants of
34:13
Speaker 1: New York, and you see Arvell Reese and Sonny Stiles
34:17
Speaker 1: playing like beasts, and it makes you come back to
34:20
Speaker 1: fucking Ryan Day and be like, you guys lost two
34:22
Speaker 1: games last year, huh?
34:24
Speaker 3: How?
34:25
Speaker 2: You lost to Indiana? You had those guys on your team?
34:28
Speaker 3: Oh, man. So to your point about dudes just kind
34:31
Speaker 3: of sticking around but not liking it, Clear this up
34:34
Speaker 3: for me. Gene Stallings was given his walking papers or told, hey,
34:39
Speaker 3: if you come back, you're not going to like it.
34:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of the differences.
34:43
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
34:46
Speaker 2: He won a national championship there.
34:48
Speaker 3: They were really good. Incredible record, right? And for some
34:53
Speaker 3: of these programs, your record doesn't mean anything at all.
34:56
Speaker 3: And that's what I love most about college football. You
34:59
Speaker 3: can go 12-0 and we might go you to fifth
35:01
Speaker 3: best team in the country, maybe. eighth, ninth. You know,
35:04
Speaker 3: we don't really care about that part. How good do
35:07
Speaker 3: we think you were supposed to be?
35:08
Speaker 1: They read Jay Stallings out of there in a year
35:12
Speaker 1: where they won the division and they lost the SEC
35:15
Speaker 1: championship game to Florida that won the national championship. Finished
35:21
Speaker 1: number 11 in the country.
35:25
Speaker 3: I love knowing that because it also underscores just how
35:29
Speaker 3: quick the fuse is and When people keep telling me that,
35:32
Speaker 3: you know, I'm of the opinion college football is too
35:34
Speaker 3: big to fail, they just won't let it. The money's
35:37
Speaker 3: getting huge. I'm not going to say out of control
35:40
Speaker 3: because every now and again, somebody comes up with enough
35:43
Speaker 3: money to go get done what you want to get done.
35:45
Speaker 3: Or my favorite part of this about you're not going
35:48
Speaker 3: to like it or we're going to get you up
35:49
Speaker 3: out of there, Mike Gundy had two losing seasons at
35:52
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State, 20 years, two, right? That last one was
35:56
Speaker 3: real bad, and it hurt, and it didn't look good.
36:00
Speaker 3: They came up. It's like, did you come out? How'd
36:02
Speaker 3: you come up with the buyout? Because we thinking they poor. No,
36:05
Speaker 3: we came out of that with our general operating budget.
36:09
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. You came out to check in account for this? No,
36:13
Speaker 3: we got it. We got it. And then, hey, we
36:17
Speaker 3: want to go get North Texas, tell them to put
36:19
Speaker 3: their body in the U-Haul, drive them up three hours north.
36:22
Speaker 3: We're going to make it happen. It's like, okay, cool.
36:24
Speaker 3: What you going to pay the head coach? You know,
36:26
Speaker 3: between three and five. All right, that's cool. What you
36:28
Speaker 3: going to pay the quarterback? You know, between three and five. What?
36:34
Speaker 3: Y'all got it like that? And that's where we look
36:37
Speaker 3: at Ohio State. They were the first people to say, oh,
36:40
Speaker 3: money's the thing now? Cool, we got it.
36:42
Speaker 2: $ 20 million?
36:44
Speaker 3: Here.
36:45
Speaker 2: To be fair, it's always been the thing there.
36:49
Speaker 1: And they've always been.
36:51
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this. And you probably do.
36:55
Speaker 1: This is where the age difference comes in, but I
36:56
Speaker 1: think you'll remember it. There's the infamous Maurice Claret ESPN,
37:01
Speaker 1: the magazine cover story where he talks about how if
37:04
Speaker 1: he could get a hundred million dollar contract, he would
37:06
Speaker 1: go to the NFL.
37:07
Speaker 2: It is crazy to think what.
37:08
Speaker 1: A giant controversy it was that a man said, yes,
37:12
Speaker 1: if I could get a hundred million dollars, I.
37:14
Speaker 2: Would go do the thing to get it right. It
37:16
Speaker 2: is wild. The controversy we manufactured of that, but.
37:20
Speaker 1: His sophomore year where he doesn't get on the field,
37:23
Speaker 1: I forget what exactly the issue was, but at some
37:26
Speaker 1: point he got mad and he called Gene Wojciechowski, I
37:29
Speaker 1: believe it was Gene Wojciechowski, and he laid out exactly
37:33
Speaker 1: how the money worked at Ohio State. He laid out, like,
37:37
Speaker 1: you come in, boom. This is where you go to
37:39
Speaker 1: get the cash. This is where you go to get
37:41
Speaker 1: the car. This is where you go to do all
37:43
Speaker 1: these things. And we just said, poppycock. None of that
37:47
Speaker 1: could possibly be true. It was so obviously true. It
37:51
Speaker 1: was in a reputable publication. Nobody even really tried to
37:54
Speaker 1: say it wasn't true. We said it was poppycock, but
37:57
Speaker 1: nobody really said it wasn't true because nobody.
37:59
Speaker 2: Sued or anything like that. Just laid that shit out
38:02
Speaker 2: there completely. And we're just like, yep.
38:04
Speaker 3: Anyway.
38:05
Speaker 2: Let's talk about something else. Hold on, hold on.
38:09
Speaker 1: Two years later, or one year later, is when Troy
38:13
Speaker 1: Smith gets caught because Trestle sent him to the Farmore
38:16
Speaker 1: dude to go get a couple thousand dollars.
38:20
Speaker 3: I think no one has caught more hell for saying
38:24
Speaker 3: the quiet part out loud than Maurice Claret.
38:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
38:28
Speaker 3: Let me go to the NFL, please. No, nobody would
38:31
Speaker 3: think to say that today because dudes is trying to
38:33
Speaker 3: get that money.
38:34
Speaker 1: Right.
38:35
Speaker 3: If they can see in the gap. Other thing about
38:36
Speaker 3: that is, man, I still have so much I want
38:40
Speaker 3: to know about and from Jim Trestle because the man
38:43
Speaker 3: that I see.
38:44
Speaker 2: Fascinates me.
38:47
Speaker 3: The man that I see is not necessarily the man
38:50
Speaker 3: that is coaching them, right? Because the way in which
38:53
Speaker 3: they talk about the man that is coaching them and
38:55
Speaker 3: the man that I see, they don't gel for me.
38:58
Speaker 3: And yet... That is, that is, I'm not even sure
39:02
Speaker 3: what that dude's political opinions actually are. I know he's
39:05
Speaker 3: a tunic governor, but I don't know him.
39:07
Speaker 2: I don't know.
39:08
Speaker 1: I am so fascinated by him because nothing adds up.
39:13
Speaker 2: Because those guys love him. And when I say those guys,
39:19
Speaker 2: I mean.
39:22
Speaker 1: They love him. He learned how to navigate Youngstown. He
39:27
Speaker 1: became a university president. He is now the lieutenant governor.
39:34
Speaker 1: By the way, and lost his job because he wouldn't snitch.
39:38
Speaker 3: Do we not love a white man that can read
39:41
Speaker 3: the room? He's amazing. I'm thinking about this myself. There
39:47
Speaker 3: are just some dudes that you think are cool And
39:49
Speaker 3: you'd be like, nah, he can roll. He can fall through.
39:51
Speaker 3: That's all right. And Jim Trestle, in a sweater vest,
39:55
Speaker 3: managed to be one of them dudes.
39:57
Speaker 1: And here's what I think is interesting about it.
39:59
Speaker 2: And this is just a read. I don't know this
40:01
Speaker 2: for certain. But.
40:03
Speaker 1: Nick Saban, I am positive. Because I know you've seen
40:06
Speaker 1: that clip where Nick Saban at the people's house doing
40:08
Speaker 1: the electric slide that time. Nick Saban know how to
40:10
Speaker 1: do the electric slide, the bus stop, the Harlem Shuffle,
40:13
Speaker 1: cha-cha slide. He can do them all, right? He has
40:18
Speaker 1: gone in all them houses and done all the stuff
40:20
Speaker 1: and the other food, everything else. I don't think Jim
40:22
Speaker 1: Trestle coming in there doing none of that stuff. But
40:24
Speaker 1: I think Jim Trestle is, ain't no room that Jim
40:27
Speaker 1: Trestle doesn't feel like he can just walk up in.
40:30
Speaker 2: And so they may ask Jim Trestle to get out
40:32
Speaker 2: there and dance.
40:33
Speaker 1: He'll be like, I really don't do that, but I'd
40:35
Speaker 1: sure love another slice of that sweet potato pie.
40:37
Speaker 2: Mm-mm, delicious.
40:40
Speaker 3: He was a dude that understood the job, too. Like
40:42
Speaker 3: Ryan Day understood the job. Urban is different because Urban
40:45
Speaker 3: kind of is made, I think, of Ohio State. I
40:50
Speaker 3: think he is a smart football fan come to life
40:52
Speaker 3: in many respects for them. Ryan Day is a dude
40:55
Speaker 3: that came from playing for and coaching under Chip Kelly.
40:58
Speaker 3: And we know what that man's culture might do or
41:01
Speaker 3: look like. Not everybody's on the team. And then he
41:03
Speaker 3: shows up at Ohio State as the OC, and he's
41:06
Speaker 3: great because he does a thing that I didn't think
41:08
Speaker 3: Ohio State was ever going to do. They throw the football. Like,
41:11
Speaker 3: people forget this. You know this because you're like me.
41:15
Speaker 3: You come up with this. Three yards in a cloud
41:17
Speaker 3: of dust is Ohio State football. Yes. And basically since 2018,
41:20
Speaker 3: it's like, no, no, no. We're going to air it out.
41:23
Speaker 3: And not only are we going to air it out,
41:25
Speaker 3: We're going to have the best wide receivers in the
41:27
Speaker 3: country for a decade. You can do that at Ohio
41:32
Speaker 3: State because everybody on the program. And I don't know
41:36
Speaker 3: that I've seen that at this level anywhere else. To
41:39
Speaker 3: your point, you can always get it because everybody understands. No, no, no, no.
41:43
Speaker 3: We like the Bengals. We tolerate the Browns. The protein
41:48
Speaker 3: is in Columbus. Yep. I didn't think that homeboy was
41:51
Speaker 3: going to be able to learn that as quickly as
41:53
Speaker 3: he did. But as soon as Ryan Day clicked with
41:55
Speaker 3: that and it came to go, oh, it's all on me?
41:57
Speaker 3: Y'all going to give me everything else I got? Cool.
42:00
Speaker 3: This is what I'm going to put in front of you.
42:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trussell got that job and went to that basketball
42:05
Speaker 1: game and told them, don't you worry.
42:08
Speaker 2: We're going to beat Michigan.
42:10
Speaker 1: Understood the assignment understood the assignment.
42:14
Speaker 3: This is why this is why kyle winningham is going
42:17
Speaker 3: to lose this game this year.
42:18
Speaker 1: Hey man we said that early on here when he's
42:21
Speaker 1: up there like i don't have to hate those people
42:24
Speaker 1: maybe you don't but you do.
42:29
Speaker 3: You you look put another way uh Ryan Day gets
42:34
Speaker 3: home from their game. I forget which one it was,
42:37
Speaker 3: but it was Iowa had just beaten Michigan on that
42:40
Speaker 3: Hank Brown pass. It was cathartic for a lot of us.
42:44
Speaker 3: But one of the beat writers asked about the press conference, hey,
42:47
Speaker 3: did you happen to catch that dramatic win of Iowa
42:50
Speaker 3: beating Michigan? And he goes, oh yeah, I enjoyed that.
42:54
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yo, I've never heard a head coach comment,
42:58
Speaker 3: I enjoyed watching this other team lose, Because it's uncouth, right?
43:03
Speaker 3: It feels disrespectful, but at that place, it is on brand.
43:07
Speaker 3: What you're going to say, and we will go about
43:09
Speaker 3: our business as if, yes, I want to destroy that team.
43:13
Speaker 3: I'm going to win all the other games too, but
43:15
Speaker 3: I got to destroy that team.
43:16
Speaker 1: No, let me tell you, my 10 years in North
43:19
Speaker 1: Carolina helped me to better understand college.
43:23
Speaker 2: A consuming rivalry.
43:25
Speaker 1: Now, Carolina Duke is a genteel rivalry by and large.
43:30
Speaker 1: It rarely goes too far, but it is never ending.
43:34
Speaker 1: It's on 24 hours a day, seven days a week,
43:38
Speaker 1: 365 days a year, where you could be anywhere and
43:41
Speaker 1: it puts up that Duke lost at anything.
43:44
Speaker 2: Duke lost in field.
43:45
Speaker 1: Hockey and Chapel Hill is going to be a standing ovation.
43:49
Speaker 2: It never stops. Is it just a game? No, it's not.
43:54
Speaker 2: The game is part of this bigger thing.
43:57
Speaker 3: Right.
43:58
Speaker 1: Like, but it's never just about the game, even though
44:01
Speaker 1: the game is very, very important.
44:02
Speaker 2: You have to understand.
44:04
Speaker 1: And I guess BYU, Utah, I guess it's just not
44:07
Speaker 1: consuming in that way. I mean, it's obviously important. They
44:10
Speaker 1: call it the holy war, for God's sake. But apparently
44:12
Speaker 1: it's not as consuming as I thought it was.
44:15
Speaker 3: Okay, so on that point, Notre Dame and BYU this Saturday,
44:19
Speaker 3: it's a matchup of two undefeated top 10 teams. At
44:22
Speaker 3: least one of those teams we think can play for
44:24
Speaker 3: and win the national championship, that'd be Notre Dame. That
44:26
Speaker 3: game is in Provo. That's also the game that is
44:28
Speaker 3: replacing Notre Dame-USC, which is a rivalry that I never
44:32
Speaker 3: really understood and never got into because it is the
44:34
Speaker 3: antithesis of what you just described and Duke Carolina, right?
44:39
Speaker 3: Like I just, I'm not there. What I think your
44:43
Speaker 3: big point about where college football is going and how
44:46
Speaker 3: we some of us don't really care about the college
44:50
Speaker 3: football playoff. I do. I love that. I'm of that generation.
44:52
Speaker 3: I want to see a playoff. However, this is the
44:55
Speaker 3: kind of game that used to rate because it would
44:58
Speaker 3: have all Catholics and Mormons. We got two programs that
45:02
Speaker 3: are proud, two programs that are private, two programs that
45:06
Speaker 3: ostensibly should want to hurt each other. And I don't
45:09
Speaker 3: get that going into the Saturday night game on ESPN that, again,
45:13
Speaker 3: features two unbeatens in the top 10, in large part
45:18
Speaker 3: because this is a college football play-in game.
45:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
45:21
Speaker 3: And less of a, no, we got to win.
45:23
Speaker 1: I tell you this, though, I bet it's going to
45:25
Speaker 1: be cracking in that stadium, though. That's the biggest thing
45:28
Speaker 1: to happen in Provo in quite a while. Like, BYU
45:30
Speaker 1: to me is an interesting, sneaky program in terms of
45:33
Speaker 1: its importance.
45:34
Speaker 2: And when I say that, I mean this.
45:38
Speaker 1: You want BYU into big 12 because everybody just got
45:42
Speaker 1: them a sellout this year.
45:44
Speaker 2: Ooh, you know what I mean? Like it's, or even
45:46
Speaker 2: if it's not a full sellout, you put BYU on
45:49
Speaker 2: your schedule. It's a lot, no matter who you are
45:53
Speaker 2: or where you are, it's a lot more Mormons there
45:55
Speaker 2: than you realize. You know how I know that? There's
45:59
Speaker 2: a Mormon church on 127th street and Lenox. in Harlem, USA.
46:07
Speaker 3: I was damn near 37 before I learned that.
46:11
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I walked past and I
46:13
Speaker 1: was just like, okay, I had no idea. But all
46:17
Speaker 1: I'm saying is they are a bigger, they matter in
46:21
Speaker 1: a different way than I think that people realize, right?
46:23
Speaker 1: Like that is, it is the representation of the Church
46:31
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ and Latter-day Saints in public. that is
46:35
Speaker 1: treated with the greatest level of normalcy than any other.
46:38
Speaker 1: Like they're going to, in the NIL era, they're going
46:41
Speaker 1: to be good because they got money.
46:44
Speaker 2: All right. They are going to spend the money.
46:46
Speaker 1: Because like I said about OU, there's an importance to
46:50
Speaker 1: this team being good.
46:52
Speaker 2: And they're going to be, they're going to have it
46:54
Speaker 2: rocking for that game.
46:56
Speaker 1: Like I hope, I hope that Marcus Freeman understands you're
46:59
Speaker 1: going to be going over there to play at Altitude,
47:02
Speaker 1: Some of those guys on that team are 36 years old.
47:07
Speaker 3: And, oh, by the way, Bear Bachmeier looks like a
47:10
Speaker 3: child in the face. That is 270. I know they
47:14
Speaker 3: list him at last, but 270 pounds of, oh, ooh,
47:17
Speaker 3: here's my comp. People hate this. I like saying it
47:19
Speaker 3: out loud. Jamarcus Russell. Ooh. That's the comp.
47:24
Speaker 2: Who, just so people understand, was a beast in college.
47:29
Speaker 3: Look, look, they're going to play the game without their
47:31
Speaker 3: best player in the Big 12 offensive player of the
47:33
Speaker 3: year last year, L.J. Martin, tailback, right, BYU. But since then,
47:38
Speaker 3: it has become the Bear Bachmeier show. And either he's
47:41
Speaker 3: going to throw you open or he's just going to
47:43
Speaker 3: do what Jamarcus could do or for the younger generation,
47:48
Speaker 3: what Josh Allen can do. Just run through your defense.
47:52
Speaker 3: Get to the sideline. The way they beat TCU, it
47:56
Speaker 3: was a close game. Texas Christian should have lost that.
47:59
Speaker 3: I'm sure that one really hurt. Oh, Joe from Missouri city. However,
48:04
Speaker 3: it was bear Bachmeier running through the middle of the
48:07
Speaker 3: defense for 17 yards for a TD to win that
48:11
Speaker 3: football game. And you know, like Chris Ash got a
48:14
Speaker 3: defense over there. If Leonard Moore plays, that's the best
48:17
Speaker 3: defender in the sport on the perimeter, right? Best cornerback, right?
48:20
Speaker 3: First round pick at the cornerback position. But outside of that, like,
48:24
Speaker 3: playing it out to, playing with that crowd in your ear,
48:27
Speaker 3: yelling at you the whole time, and if BYU can
48:30
Speaker 3: control the football behind bear running right, bear running left,
48:34
Speaker 3: it becomes a game that they can win. I think
48:36
Speaker 3: you're right about what the atmosphere is going to be.
48:38
Speaker 3: But to your point about how important it is, we
48:41
Speaker 3: got dudes that have already written into their will what
48:43
Speaker 3: BYU is getting, and they're millionaires.
48:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
48:47
Speaker 3: I've heard about people giving part of their estate to
48:50
Speaker 3: the school, I've never heard about people being in their
48:52
Speaker 3: 30s saying that I've already done this. It's already done.
48:54
Speaker 3: Don't worry about it.
48:55
Speaker 2: The look on your face.
49:00
Speaker 3: You know, like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
49:03
Speaker 2: You got a lot of time.
49:04
Speaker 3: You say it, right? And you got children, I'm sure,
49:07
Speaker 3: that are mad as hell. I always enjoy meeting somebody
49:10
Speaker 3: that has the nerve to be mad about a trust
49:12
Speaker 3: foreigner inheritance or something they were supposed to get. Nah, nah, uh-uh.
49:17
Speaker 3: If they want to give it to the football team,
49:19
Speaker 3: I'm all for that because A, I like football and B,
49:23
Speaker 3: I want to know what these men actually love. Actually love.
49:27
Speaker 3: Because too much of this is around business now. It
49:31
Speaker 3: used to be a sunk cost that wasn't one because
49:34
Speaker 3: we all knew what we were sinking it into. I'm
49:37
Speaker 3: going to go spend this money that is absurd on
49:39
Speaker 3: this player. You're not getting any of that back. Don't
49:41
Speaker 3: nobody care about that, but I do. And I get
49:45
Speaker 3: to say that part out loud. They still got that
49:46
Speaker 3: at BYU. And I think they still got that at
49:48
Speaker 3: Notre Dame. That I think is what might power us
49:52
Speaker 3: into the future is there's still a few of us.
49:54
Speaker 3: They got a little bit more money than we need
49:57
Speaker 3: that are going to go. How much does that five-star cost? Cool.
50:00
Speaker 3: Here you go. Yeah.
50:02
Speaker 2: That's it.
50:02
Speaker 1: I say this again about the sport. People don't get it.
50:05
Speaker 1: Nobody's in this for a profit. And that's that. They're
50:10
Speaker 1: in it for money, but not for a profit. Ball
50:13
Speaker 1: till you fall. That's the nature of this. Last thing
50:16
Speaker 1: before we get out of here. We got Ole Miss
50:18
Speaker 1: and Mizzou this week, and I actually think this is
50:21
Speaker 1: a very underrated game, not just because I think Mizzou
50:23
Speaker 1: is probably a little better than people might think, but
50:27
Speaker 1: this Austin Simmons-Trinidad-Chambers matchup where these were the– Austin Simmons
50:32
Speaker 1: was number one on the depth chart to start the
50:34
Speaker 1: year last year at Ole Miss.
50:36
Speaker 2: Not the greatest start, got hurt, Chambliss took over, and.
50:40
Speaker 1: We see what that has become, where Chambliss is probably
50:42
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the country right now. However, Austin
50:45
Speaker 1: Simmons is playing really well for Mizzou this year.
50:48
Speaker 2: Austin Simmons was a big deal.
50:50
Speaker 1: I don't get the feeling these two dudes have any
50:52
Speaker 1: sort of animus, but it's still a really interesting matchup,
50:55
Speaker 1: and it's one that Ole Miss has got to go
50:56
Speaker 1: play on the road.
50:58
Speaker 3: They're similar, too, because they both got quarterbacks that can
51:01
Speaker 3: spin it, and they both got tailbacks that are otherworldly.
51:04
Speaker 3: Jamal Roberts became the first SEC tailback to rush for
51:08
Speaker 3: 200 yards back-to-back games against an SEC opponent since Fournette
51:13
Speaker 3: and Derrick Henry.
51:14
Speaker 2: That's one.
51:15
Speaker 3: Two is, Austin Simmons is kind of a unicorn. Like,
51:19
Speaker 3: he graduated high school at 16 and, you know, got
51:22
Speaker 3: the Masters at 19, but lost his job after he
51:26
Speaker 3: kind of sprained his ankle. And the dude that they
51:27
Speaker 3: brought in has thrown for 300 yards a game in
51:31
Speaker 3: every game. Like, you're not getting your job back off that.
51:35
Speaker 3: The thing is, and I I think you'll love this, honestly.
51:40
Speaker 3: Pete Golding will be the reason that they lose that
51:43
Speaker 3: football game. I have never seen a man so interested
51:49
Speaker 3: in holding a play card that probably shouldn't because the
51:53
Speaker 3: defense gets worse when he's coaching it in the regular
51:56
Speaker 3: season and then it turns up in the postseason. And
51:59
Speaker 3: now you got a guy in Austin Simmons who has
52:01
Speaker 3: spent the last three years playing against your defense. Knowing
52:05
Speaker 3: exactly what you're doing. And that is his calling card.
52:09
Speaker 3: He reads the game. He's very good cerebrally. He's had
52:13
Speaker 3: a couple games where I'm going, hey, what's going on here?
52:15
Speaker 3: And it has been guys dropping the football, right? Or
52:18
Speaker 3: the run game hasn't been there. But I'm interested insofar
52:22
Speaker 3: as I think Austin Simmons has the core processor to
52:26
Speaker 3: take apart a Pete Golding defense in a way that
52:28
Speaker 3: is going to make that man maniacal. because he is
52:31
Speaker 3: so much of an X's and O's guy that he
52:34
Speaker 3: thinks his defense ought to be like Bill Walsh's West
52:38
Speaker 3: Coast offense. If you do it, it works. Nah, not
52:41
Speaker 3: against a dude that sees it because he has the
52:43
Speaker 3: ability to make you wrong. That is what I think
52:45
Speaker 3: is going to be fun.
52:46
Speaker 2: Here's my question on that part. I asked this somewhat rhetorically.
52:50
Speaker 1: Pete was kind enough to give me 10 to 15
52:52
Speaker 1: minutes when I did the feature on Chambliss. I recall
52:58
Speaker 1: him telling me, that it did not take him very
53:00
Speaker 1: long to realize who should have been the starting quarterback of.
53:03
Speaker 2: That team and that it should have been Chambliss.
53:05
Speaker 1: Now, that may be, on one hand, simply him thinking
53:11
Speaker 1: very highly of Chambliss in that time, or B, it
53:14
Speaker 1: is some combination of that, and he ain't really see.
53:19
Speaker 2: It for Austin Simmons.
53:22
Speaker 1: And I am curious how whatever his personal evaluation was
53:27
Speaker 1: from that time how that goes into the game plan
53:31
Speaker 1: that we are talking about here. Because there is a
53:34
Speaker 1: world in which Pete underestimates this dude, and there's also
53:37
Speaker 1: a world where one day Pete says something a little
53:39
Speaker 1: wild to that boy at practice, and.
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Speaker 2: He remembers this, and now we're going.
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Speaker 1: And to be clear, he didn't say anything bad about
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Speaker 1: Simmons to me, right? I don't want to pretend like
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Speaker 1: he trashed him. But he was really like, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: could tell pretty quickly that this was the guy. He
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Speaker 1: says this after he's now the head coach and Chambliss
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Speaker 1: is his guy. But I would be very curious to
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Speaker 1: know in his own heart of hearts what he really
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Speaker 1: thinks of Simmons as a player and how that goes
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Speaker 1: into what this game is going to be.
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Speaker 3: I think his assessment to you is the correct one
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Speaker 3: based on his point of view, which is defensive coordinator.
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Speaker 3: And what defensive coordinators hate more than anything else is
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Speaker 3: a dude that can make the wrong just running around.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 3: That ain't what Austin Simmons is going to do. right?
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Speaker 3: Unlike what Justin Dart was going to do because, I mean,
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Speaker 3: maybe Pete forgot that Austin went into that game and
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Speaker 3: immediately drove them down the field because he knew what
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Speaker 3: the offense was doing and he was accurate with the ball.
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Speaker 3: That is why he won the job in camp, right?
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Speaker 2: It was that.
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Speaker 3: Trinidad was still a dude that was D2 from Ferris State, which,
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Speaker 3: by the way, is around the way from Michigan, but
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Speaker 3: somehow they didn't go recruit him and was supposed to
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Speaker 3: be kind of there for, you know, if something goes bad,
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Speaker 3: something goes wrong. Well, it kind of did go bad
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Speaker 3: and He kind of turned out to be who he is.
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Speaker 3: But I think if Austin could move around, he might
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Speaker 3: change his assessment just a little bit more or Austin
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Speaker 3: was willing to move around. That ain't what he does.
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Speaker 3: Trinidad is a playmaker, especially when the game is on
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Speaker 3: the line like that. That's a guy that I'm terrified
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Speaker 3: of as a defense coordinator, because I know when it's tight,
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Speaker 3: he's going to raise up. And I know when I
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Speaker 3: got a defense that got everybody covered up, he could
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Speaker 3: still beat me, get into a first down mark.
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Speaker 1: Young. You can find him at Amazon. You can find
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Speaker 1: him in your local library. You can find him all
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Speaker 1: kinds of places. My brother, I appreciate you, man. We're
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Speaker 1: going to have to do this again.
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Speaker 3: My privilege, Bo. Thank you so much for having me.
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