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Michael Irvin Tells His Daejon Love Story, Gets Personal About Life, Faith & Football · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: I would prefer to have a chance at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the game than to get blown out.
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  Speaker 2: Because at least we knew we were supposed to be there.
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  Speaker 3: Wait a minute. Maybe God was blessing me. Let me
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  Speaker 3: get in trouble back then. You can't bring no new
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  Speaker 3: shit up on me now. The results are three Super Bowls.
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  Speaker 2: He is probably the most influential owner ever. Argue with
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  Speaker 2: your boy. Don't argue with me. I didn't say it.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Irvin said it.
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  Speaker 4: Let me give it to you.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Too Personal. I'm Joy Taylor. Thanks so much
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  Speaker 2: for joining us. Make sure you hit subscribe. Follow us
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  Speaker 2: on social at Too Personal Show. My guy, the playmaker,
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  Speaker 2: Michael Irvin. Needs no introduction. Welcome to Too Personal.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me, Joy. I love this Too Personal.
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  Speaker 2: This is my version of the White House.
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  Speaker 4: This is, and it's so great. It's nice. It's, it's comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: It's, it's you.
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  Speaker 4: And I love the name.
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  Speaker 3: Because you get, you know, and nowadays everybody.
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  Speaker 4: Wants you to get too personal.
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  Speaker 2: They sure do.
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  Speaker 3: They want to know more than just how did you
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  Speaker 3: run that deep in or deep out. You know, well,
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  Speaker 3: they want to know really how you ran a deep in. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: They do.
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  Speaker 4: They really want to know.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to all of the things that we're
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  Speaker 1: going to chat about, we've got to get into.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to get into this Dajon Love story.
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  Speaker 1: So he's scammed, although I feel like he worked hard
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  Speaker 1: for that money, but he scammed at least 26 women
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  Speaker 1: that we know of out of $ 1. 3 million, saying that
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  Speaker 1: he was a San Francisco 49er.
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  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we run into so many dudes that are, somehow,
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  Speaker 3: some way, trying to scam people and tell people who
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  Speaker 3: they are, lie to people and fool people. I've watched
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  Speaker 3: this story, and I haven't commented on it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because I still have PTSD from it with things like this.
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  Speaker 4: My second year in the league, we had a training camp.
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  Speaker 3: We're working out, and all I know is I see
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  Speaker 3: some Dudes walking on the field look like, growing up
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  Speaker 3: in Florida, I know what they should look like. They
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  Speaker 3: look like feds, you know, like FBI. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: what the hell is going on? Why do we have
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  Speaker 3: the FBI? And they were the FBI. And all I know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm running routes. And Coach Johnson, Michael.
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  Speaker 4: I said, oh, shit.
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  Speaker 2: They're there for you?
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  Speaker 4: For me? What the hell is the FBI doing for me? Joy. Joy.
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  Speaker 3: My mind went swimming. This is my second year training camp.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think about, nigga, you just got this money.
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  Speaker 3: I know you did something illegal with it.
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  Speaker 4: What did you do? What did you do?
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking about what the hell is the FBI doing
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  Speaker 3: here to see me at training camp? And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I just had, I just got the money. You know,
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  Speaker 3: when you first get paid, you go right in the camp.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So I really had no time to really do nothing.
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  Speaker 4: But all season, I had some time, and I did something.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't know what these mugs were here for.
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  Speaker 4: They come to me, man, and they say, we'd like
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  Speaker 4: to sit down and talk to you. I said, about what?
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  Speaker 3: Like, I'm about to spill stuff, like, just trying to
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  Speaker 3: get ahead of it. Dude, you know what they said
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  Speaker 3: to me? We have a guy that has.
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  Speaker 4: Cheated me.
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  Speaker 3: Girls out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. And this
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  Speaker 3: joker was pretending to be me. Had an 880 ring in,
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  Speaker 3: an 88 necklace on. And somehow he scammed girls out
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  Speaker 3: of I don't know how much money.
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  Speaker 4: Using my, I was like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: In what year was this?
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  Speaker 4: I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: My second year in the league was 1989, 1990. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking, I'm doing enough of my own dirty shit.
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  Speaker 3: I don't need no help. I don't need no help
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  Speaker 3: from this dude.
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  Speaker 4: What is he doing?
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  Speaker 3: Dude, I've never been so afraid in my life when
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  Speaker 3: he talked about that. But that was happening back then.
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  Speaker 3: It happened then. And, of course, I was able to.
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  Speaker 3: to get out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what did you do? I mean, how would you
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  Speaker 2: not get out of it? What did you have to throw?
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  Speaker 3: Me getting out of it, listen, I know in this life,
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  Speaker 3: it's not about, you didn't do anything. I didn't do
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  Speaker 3: anything and I still been in shit. So, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I was scared as I don't know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: What do you mean? What are you talking about here?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't, you know, so yeah, he's been using your name.
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  Speaker 3: I would say, first thing I thought was like, I
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  Speaker 3: ain't scam nobody. Like, what do you mean? I haven't
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  Speaker 3: scammed anybody. One thing I've never done is ask a
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  Speaker 3: girl for money. I don't do that. I don't ask.
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  Speaker 3: My wife, when I was in college, she gave me
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  Speaker 3: some money. She was the first one to give me
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  Speaker 3: some money. And then I promised to take care of
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  Speaker 3: her for the rest of her life. For the few
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  Speaker 3: dollars she gave.
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  Speaker 4: Me, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And you have.
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  Speaker 4: And I have. And I have. And she gave me
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  Speaker 4: a few. 100. I gave her back millions. You see
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: It was a good investment by her.
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  Speaker 3: It was a good investment. At least financially it was.
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  Speaker 3: I won't tell you.
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  Speaker 4: She's stuck.
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  Speaker 3: She's a good girl. But yeah, that was... I was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my God. So this is not even new to
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  Speaker 3: me to seeing this. And everybody acts so surprised. Dudes
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  Speaker 3: do this all the time.
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  Speaker 2: So this has been going on for.
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  Speaker 4: I.
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  Speaker 3: Know that they said, man, people say I look like you.
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  Speaker 3: What girl did you trick? What did you trick?
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  Speaker 2: Why are these women giving these men money?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, but it's amazing that, that, that
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  Speaker 3: common sense. I mean, I guess hope is such a
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  Speaker 3: strong thing that sometimes it makes you surpass common sense.
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  Speaker 4: Like common sense.
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  Speaker 3: Should tell you if this dude is borrowing this money
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  Speaker 3: from you, maybe he ain't who he say he is,
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  Speaker 3: you know? If he promised an NFL career, you go
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  Speaker 3: get the money from your agent. But people don't know this.
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  Speaker 2: But why are you giving him money? Like, what is
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  Speaker 2: the value? If the hope is that.
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  Speaker 1: You're getting chosen by a 49er or Michael Irvin, why
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  Speaker 1: would they need your money? Isn't the point that you're
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  Speaker 1: being with them for their status and money?
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  Speaker 4: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand that part. I personally don't understand... Any
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  Speaker 3: man that allows a woman to take care of him,
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  Speaker 3: that's not the divine order. This is not the divine order.
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  Speaker 3: As a spiritual man, I follow the divine order.
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  Speaker 2: Argue with your boy, okay? Don't argue with me. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't say it.
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  Speaker 4: Right, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Irvin said it.
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  Speaker 3: Let me give it to you. Let me give you
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  Speaker 3: how God had built the divine order. He has made
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  Speaker 3: us and our most precious act... The act that we
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  Speaker 3: will procreate in. In that act, I am giving. The
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  Speaker 3: lady is receiving. I'm built anatomically, anatomically wise, as a
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  Speaker 3: giver in that act. She is receiving in that act.
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  Speaker 3: And so sure in life, I'm supposed to give to
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  Speaker 3: her and she receives.
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  Speaker 4: That's the building of it. So I have.
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  Speaker 3: Never taken a dime outside of the first pair of
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  Speaker 3: clothes my wife bought for me from a woman.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? And I stick with that.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I don't understand guys that do that, especially
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  Speaker 3: doing it to a woman.
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  Speaker 4: And so you know he's probably....
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  Speaker 3: I won't even say raised by a mom. You would
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  Speaker 3: never do that to a person if you've been raised
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  Speaker 3: by a good mom, you know, a mom that you
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  Speaker 3: care about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, scammers are a specific breed. I think
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  Speaker 2: we all agree we don't like scammers.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, everyone has been scammed at one point or
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  Speaker 1: been scam-adjacent at one point, and.
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  Speaker 2: There are big repercussions.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you were scam-adjacent. You weren't doing the scamming, but
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  Speaker 1: the scamming then affected you, and the feds showed up
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  Speaker 1: and pushed you into panic, and you had.
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  Speaker 2: A situation to handle.
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  Speaker 4: I'm about to confess my stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You're about to start talking about things you didn't even
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  Speaker 1: need to be talking about.
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  Speaker 4: That they didn't even know about.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you live like us on the edge sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: you start wondering when the feds show up what.
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  Speaker 2: You're there to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, we don't like that. But, but, while I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to argue the divine order of things, because
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  Speaker 1: in this particular situation, it's working for me.
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  Speaker 2: These women are not victims.
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  Speaker 1: Like, this is crazy behavior.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 2: This is crazy behavior.
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  Speaker 4: How do you call this not victim?
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  Speaker 1: Because, Michael, like if someone steals your identity, you were
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  Speaker 1: actually a victim in that case.
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  Speaker 2: That man stole your identity, right?
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  Speaker 1: If someone steals your identity and is like making businesses
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  Speaker 1: and money and stealing, I've had someone steal my social
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  Speaker 1: security before. When people are, you know, calling old people
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  Speaker 1: and getting, you know, their bank account information because they're
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  Speaker 1: saying that their kids are in jail, horrible stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: That is criminal behavior. But we cannot.
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  Speaker 1: Protect everyone from being dumb. At some point, as an adult,
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  Speaker 1: you know scammers exist.
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  Speaker 2: If you are.
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  Speaker 1: Willing to empty your bank account for a man and
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  Speaker 1: send him thousands of dollars because you believe that you
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  Speaker 1: have finally been chosen.
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  Speaker 2: By an NFL player, We get a lot.
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  Speaker 3: People pray, and I use that word correctly. People pray
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  Speaker 3: on hope.
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  Speaker 4: On hope.
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  Speaker 3: Look at the elderly who all of the time, they
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  Speaker 3: pray on the elderly trying to scam them.
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  Speaker 4: There's something they're hoping for.
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  Speaker 2: These women have mirrors. They've got mirrors.
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  Speaker 1: They've lived lives. It's all this Cinderella... fantasy shit like
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  Speaker 1: right you're not right and listen i don't i'm not dating.
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  Speaker 3: On the hope they'll find it happily ever after something
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't exist that person's not.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna ask you for $ 80.
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  Speaker 3: 000 yeah i don't know no and and keep telling
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  Speaker 3: you listen i just need to pay for this hotel
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  Speaker 3: and if you get kicked out you come live in
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  Speaker 3: a hotel with me like what the hell what.
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  Speaker 4: Are you living in hotels for.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think about his uh route.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god oh my god you told me on
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  Speaker 3: the beach Like, this was bad for him, too, though, right?
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  Speaker 3: He's always wanted people to see him play football, and
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  Speaker 3: now when they see it, they're.
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  Speaker 4: Like, oh, my God, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you like the helmet?
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  Speaker 4: It's crazy. All of it.
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  Speaker 3: And the way he's carrying the football, like, dude, you have...
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  Speaker 3: Not only is he not playing the NFL, I really...
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  Speaker 3: There's no way a coach has ever had him get
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  Speaker 3: in line and do any drill.
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  Speaker 4: You can tell.
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  Speaker 3: So there's no, he just looks like he's uncoordinated. He's
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  Speaker 3: never been on a football field, and he doesn't understand.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't understand. His body just doesn't understand it. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? His body doesn't do what it's
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  Speaker 3: supposed to do. Because when I see it, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: that's not cool. That's not right.
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  Speaker 2: He's out here giving receivers a bad name.
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  Speaker 3: Right. And you know, girls may not know, but I
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  Speaker 3: can see it instantly. It's like, dude, you ain't played.
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm used to it. I've been reading guys forever.
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  Speaker 3: Every guy you know, every guy you know, man, I
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  Speaker 3: could have made it, man. My coach didn't like. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm so tired of hearing this my coach didn't like
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  Speaker 3: me story.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Or I got injured.
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  Speaker 3: No, they always come with I got injured, but they're
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  Speaker 3: both together. It's always, oh, yeah, I got hurt, and
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  Speaker 3: my coach didn't like me. It's always those two. All
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  Speaker 3: my life, I got hurt, and my coach didn't like me. Dude,
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  Speaker 3: trust me.
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  Speaker 4: Trust me.
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  Speaker 3: If you could play, if you could play, even if
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  Speaker 3: coach didn't like you, coach liked money.
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  Speaker 4: Money. He would keep you in the field.
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  Speaker 2: He likes his job.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right. He likes his job. So, yeah, that's just
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  Speaker 4: what guys do. Guys lie. Guys lie.
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  Speaker 3: And they lie for women more than anything in the world.
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  Speaker 3: More than anything in the world. So, you girls, you
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  Speaker 3: got to be on your point with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, young girls.
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  Speaker 1: Um, I give all the grace in the world too,
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  Speaker 1: because listen, you're going to get lied to your whole
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  Speaker 1: life anyway, but when you're young, you don't really have
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  Speaker 1: the experience. You don't, you're still living in that delusion,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but at some points you've got to understand
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  Speaker 1: that there are, listen, we.
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  Speaker 2: Have locks on our doors, right?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So the numbers tell us it's very unlikely, you know, that,
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  Speaker 1: that our house is going to get broken into every night.
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  Speaker 1: We still lock the fucking door every night. You still
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  Speaker 1: have a seatbelt on in your car. Like, You still
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  Speaker 1: have a password on your phone just.
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  Speaker 2: Because it.
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  Speaker 1: May not happen to you doesn't mean you have protections.
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  Speaker 1: You know that there are people out in the world
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  Speaker 1: who are looking to commit these crimes. They are looking
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  Speaker 1: to take things away from you. So knowing that's the case,
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  Speaker 1: don't send $ 80, 000 to someone that you met on the
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  Speaker 1: fucking internet.
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  Speaker 4: Right. No, listen.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, don't send $ 80, 000 to somebody you meet in person.
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  Speaker 4: I don't give a damn where you met her.
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  Speaker 2: You better have seen a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I have better had multiple meetings with multiple people I know.
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  Speaker 1: Someone else is with this financial advisor.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: You don't ship me down.
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  Speaker 3: Before I send you this $ 80, 000, we're going to do
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  Speaker 3: some transactions on some papers. This shows me some collateral
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  Speaker 3: that if you don't bring this cash back, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to take it out your ass to get it back.
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  Speaker 3: Some kind of way, my money going to be back
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  Speaker 3: on this table.
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  Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: What are we talking about?
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  Speaker 4: But that amazes me, though, man.
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  Speaker 3: It amazes me that a dude would have the gall
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  Speaker 3: to even attempt this, to even say it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no, no, no. The audacity is that we are
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  Speaker 1: living in audastic times.
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  Speaker 2: And you know this, Michael.
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  Speaker 1: People will go to outrageous lengths.
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  Speaker 2: To try and come up with some money or come
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  Speaker 2: up with some money. You know this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but nowadays, everything's on camera. So you can only
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  Speaker 3: carry a lie so.
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  Speaker 2: Long or so far. They don't think long term.
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  Speaker 4: Right. I saw, I guess, the... with the love dude
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  Speaker 4: brother on.
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  Speaker 3: He said that the love dude blocked him on all
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  Speaker 3: social media and blocked all of them.
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  Speaker 4: He said they never even knew he was living this
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  Speaker 4: extra life. So, you know.
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  Speaker 2: That was my question.
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  Speaker 4: Because you're scamming don't mean you're a dummy. He wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a dummy, though.
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  Speaker 3: He said the only people that get out with me
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  Speaker 3: are my family.
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  Speaker 4: I can't let them see this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody went to high school with him?
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  Speaker 3: That's amazing, man. It's amazing. It's amazing that you can
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 2: But you're saying this has been happening since the early 90s.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. People are doing it. People are doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Girls.
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  Speaker 3: I thought social media would make it less prevalent. You
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  Speaker 3: have less opportunity to do this because... It's all on
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  Speaker 3: social media now.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and people can find you and people remember you.
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  Speaker 3: Right, people see you and you place this. You put
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  Speaker 3: something out there. You put you out. I'm on the
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  Speaker 3: 49ers with that old funny backpedaling like this right here. Somebody, boy,
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  Speaker 3: you ain't never played. Boy, that's, you know, that's such
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  Speaker 3: and such. You ain't never played ball. So I was
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  Speaker 3: shocked that it went this.
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  Speaker 4: Long in this era of social media.
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  Speaker 2: What was that like?
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  Speaker 4: You saw what he was doing. I don't know what
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  Speaker 4: that dude did. That was supposed to be a sling.
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  Speaker 4: It was.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: It looked like he never played ball in his life.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just crazy, man. He goes, a brother.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know. How do you live the rest of
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: your life if you need your own love?
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's just been alive in prison.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: They're going to tear him up.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, literally and figuratively.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to go well for him.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're going to tear him up.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: He did not. He skipped leg day. He skipped leg day,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Well, it was a story that gave us all some laughs,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: and hopefully it educated a few people that it is
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: actually not that hard to avoid a scam like that.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you a story. Why we don't ever
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: see white folks do this? Why does it got to
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: be the brothers?
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, white people scam their way to the White House.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: The literal White House.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen any white dudes fake it out.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Faking a football player? Faking that, you know, and scamming.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: All dudes say they played.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Everybody. Everybody.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Michael, white people are scamming. White people are scamming.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: They're just not crazy.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: No, they're not doing that. They're scamming, like, boring stuff.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're white people, white crime. White people doing the
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: white crime, right? The little white.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: People, the money stuff, right? They're running Ponzi schemes.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: They are running the Ponzi schemes.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're scamming, though, but they are not popping out
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: with chains saying that they play for the 49ers. And
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: let's think about this also, because if they were.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: A wide receiver.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: It might be a little easy to identify them. Is
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: your name Cooper Cup?
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: No?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, who are you?
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: What do you mean? Name three wide receivers. What do
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: you mean? Be like, excuse me? That's so funny.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: He is scamming.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: That is so funny, man.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's funny. Hall of Fame, if he's pulling that off,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: what do you mean? Give him a jacket.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: It could only be a few. Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: A white cornerback. There's more of those.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Lately.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: And I guess they're just too smart to do that.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they think they're too smart. I
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: think they.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I guess if they're too smart, they know that that's
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: a tougher sell.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: So they're going for the lawnmower company scam.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: You know, if Love was looking like that and he
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: was white, oh, my God. Now, now, now you can
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: tell the girls, no, no, that was not a scam.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: You just gave that money away.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: That's it. That's it. You know, if he was backpedaling
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: He wasn't even trying.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: And he was white, like, you know damn well that
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: boy play no ball. You stop playing. When he posted
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: this right here, you should have known.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Why did he have the helmet with him all the time?
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: He looked so bad with the back. paddling thing. I mean,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: it was just, he's not athletic at all. So, and
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: you could tell that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Did it offend you that he tried to say he
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: was a receiver?
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Well, I.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Don't know that it offended me, but, you know, it
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: tells you really, honestly, What it really says is that
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I lived a life so many men wish they had.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: That part. That part.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: And they all out here dreaming up the life I lived,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: that I actually lived, but I didn't take any money.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: I didn't take any money.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: You have lived quite the life.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: How do you still have all this energy?
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: You know what, Joy, my motto has been, and I'm
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: going to follow this forever, I'm going to get every
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: bit of my time and every damn dime out of
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: this body.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: You understand?
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Before it leaves time to go to eternity. You're going
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: to give me all my time and every dime. And
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I work for that.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: You are always working.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I'm always working.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: You are always on a plane.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I'm always working out. I'm always moving. I'm going to
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: keep life. And I'm going to keep moving in life
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: and keep doing things. that raise me up, keep laughing
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: through life, keep showing up, being around. Pride tonight, we're
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: going to be out here being around them young dudes.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: People be, I'm not going to sit up with y'all
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: old asses and do nothing. I'm going to be right
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: out here with these young people, staying in mood, staying
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: around these young people and keep finding life and keep
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: finding purpose in life. You know, I'm on that football
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: field trying to, they're helping me. but I'm trying to
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: help them too. You know, they're helping me so much,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: keep me alive. Because how many times, you know, you
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: around Jason, you know, we always talk about it, man.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: We'll never be able to do it again. This is
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: the closest we can get to it. So I love
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: being around these young men, man. It keeps me alive.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: It keeps me going. You know, people always say, Michael, man,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: why you dressed like that? Dude, look at y'all, man.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Why would I want to be with that group? Look
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: at y'all looking like this. So Stay young. Go get
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: all of your time and every dime out of that body.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: You know, my grandmother always told me never get old.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: And I mean, she was old my entire life. You know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: people used to age differently. So I never remember my
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: grandmother young.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: But.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I I've thought about her saying that a lot and
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: just the psychology of not talking about yourself like you're old.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm turning 40 in January and I can't wait
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: mostly so people can stop asking me questions and I
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: have to answer them because when I'm 40, I'm going
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: to be like, I'm 40.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I don't talk about, I don't answer questions anymore.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I'm just, what do you mean? What kind of questions
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: are you?
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: No one is going to ask me if I want
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: children and I have 40.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, No one respects a 39-year-old, Michael.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: But they're starting now. They're having babies at 40 now.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: I know. They're messing it up.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: The girls are messing it up for me.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: They really are.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: No, life.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Life keeps moving old back.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I thought I had skipped it, and now all the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: 40-year-olds are having babies. Hopefully I can say, well, you
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: know what? At least they can't say that I will
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: not be sure about it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: You know? Because when you're 30, they're like, oh, well,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you never know. Like, I'm 40.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: And you can be settled and raise this baby right
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: and take care of the baby.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, for whoever wants to do that. I'm not doing that.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I got kids. I got, you know my nieces and nephews.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Those are my children.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Joy, you really don't want to have any kids?
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I don't want kids, Michael.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Speaking of old, do you not worry about that when
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: you're really old?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I have no intention on getting, like, That old
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: that someone has to take.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Care of me.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: You have no ability to control that.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do. I am not going to be... Listen, I.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Will take the slow train... To paradise, okay? Before I
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: am laid up with having a nurse and all.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: People say that when we're here.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I live kind of like you, Michael Doe. I do
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a lot, all right? I do a lot. I do
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: a lot. I have lived my life. I am not.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I will never be accused of not making choices, okay?
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I have done things. I don't want to do that.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: And I have a bank account.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Like, if I need somebody to come, you know... Give
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: me a little sponge bath or something. I'll be probably
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: using the same people everybody else using. Just because you
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: have kids does not mean that they're going to take
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: care of you when you're older. I help take care
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of my mother.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: She's fine. She's 72. She's moving around great.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: But I take care of my mother. But everybody's just
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: because you have kids does not mean you have someone
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: to take care of you. And as you know, I
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: have a massive family. So I'll get a big house
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: on a beach, get some fresh air.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And then when it's time, it's time. I'm not really
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: worried about that.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, Joy. I love... Do you have pets?
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: No. So who do you come home to?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Peace and solitude.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Quiet. Joy. Come on, Joy.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: No stress.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: You don't have.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: No one's son out in the streets stressing me out?
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, I'm going to tell you something.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Having pets is great because my pups, when I come home,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: they just want to be around you. They don't They're
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: not waiting to dump all of their problems on you. Now,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: coming home to people is different because they're waiting to
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: dump all of their problems on you as soon as
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: you walk in the door. And that part I do love,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: coming home with my pups and not the peeps.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Pups over peeps?
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have been taking care of people for
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a very, very long time.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: That's what my mom put on me.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you were 17.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Just a young kid. Right.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: And even, you know, and I've been messing around. I
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: said that the other day on somewhere, you know, I
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: got seven homes. I just got some of these Negroes
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: in them all and taking care of everybody.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I wasn't lying. Everything I said was totally true. Right.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: But you know, and then one of my sisters kind
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: of got taken it the wrong way. So I had
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: to go and visit her. I said, baby, listen, you
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: got to understand the business change. I'm not on a
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: desk like this anymore. It's, You got people wanting you
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: to deliver stories in a little bit different way now.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: You can deliver the stories. And I had to say
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: to her, I said, let me ask you something. Have
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I ever come here and said, well, y'all got to
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: start paying bills around here. So, you know. When I
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: was saying that out there, I'm bringing me down. I'm
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: not trying to put you guys down. I'm letting people
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: know that everybody, no matter who you are, got the
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: same problems. Family is waiting and trying. Family is there
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: for everybody. That's why God made family bonded by blood.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Because he knew if you can cut him off, you would.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm a family cutter, Robert. I'm for sure. There
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: are a lot.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Of family members.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: But if everything gets cut off in you and you
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: need help, you're going to have to come back to
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: this blood.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I take care of my family. I'm in
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: a similar boat.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: And.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: for, for different reasons.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: And yeah, like it says what, that's what you're, you're
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: supposed to do now as a, as a woman, I
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: don't know, you know, the traditional, uh, as you said,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the divine order of things. But that doesn't matter to me.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: It's who makes it. And then you pay it back.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Or you're paying it sideways and your brothers and sisters
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: or whoever it is. That's not the point.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: But yeah, if you're a provider, then you're a provider.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: That's what you got to do.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: And to whom much is given, much will be required.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: And I've been given much. So I don't mind the
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: responsibility I have. And I'm fortunate enough that I can
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: take care of my peeps and still I have a
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: few dollars to spend.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: I'm still working out, you know?
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: So, so it works out and I'm happy with it. I,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I do believe like you talked, like, like there's certain things,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: this is how I, I, I'm blessed enough to have
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: won a lot of championships, but ultimately Joe, I can't
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: put that shit on the table when it's time to
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: go before God.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, all right, here, here, what, what did you do, Michael?
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: And I'm starting to throw in the.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Bodies and, Heisman and national championship trophies on the table.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: What is this?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Get in the elevator and press down. You know what
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I'm saying? But, but I, Hey, I'm throwing all of
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: them Negroes on the table. When God asked, what did
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you ask? I said, I've been taking care of all
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: of these forever. What do you mean? I'm putting them
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: on the table. But Linda Fletcher, that's why I have
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: to do things like that. I want to put that
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: on the table.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's amazing.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: When I see a Jesse Holly and an Andrew Hawkins
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: on ESPN, I'm putting them on the table because I
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: put them back in the league.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: You know, stuff like that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: That's what I want to make sure I'm accumulating enough
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: of to put on the table in front of God
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: when I leave time and go to eternity.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Well, you are a very generous person, though.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: You're generous of your money, but you're generous of spirit
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and time as well.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I want to be.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I think that's naturally who you are, though.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: If it wasn't naturally who you are, you wouldn't do
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: those things because it would feel like work.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: To you.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Like, you show up for people. I mean, you've shown
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: up for me multiple times. You are there with, like,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: even just what you're doing with the canes. Like, people
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: may see that as a self-serving thing, but it's absolutely not.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Like, you have.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: work you do. You have people you take care of.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: You have people that you love that you want to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: spend time with. Every single choice you make time-wise is
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: taking away from something else. That's how time works. You
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: can't be in two places at once. So there's a
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: give and take for all that, and you are a giver.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Yes, and listen, and I'm telling you, even people, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: you're right, people do think, what is he doing?
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Are you joking?
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: You see, about being on the sideline with Miami, which
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: we will be during the games, people don't, they're not
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: there when I come back every year for Paradise Camp,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: when these kids are for Legends Camps. So we see
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: all of these kids In the 6th, 7th, 8th grade,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: we go and coach them. And then we get them
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: again when they come up a little bit older, get 8th, 9th,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: 10th grade, we're coaching them. So then they decide to
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: come to Miami. And I'm like, dude, we've been out
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: here working with these kids in the dark before they
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: turned this light on. So you know what I mean?
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I know you guys think it's about just being self-serving.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: But Coach would tell you, anytime we have those Paradise Camps,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Legends Camps, I'm showing up every time. I'm showing up
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: every time because the you was the cocoon that turned
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: me from that little worm into the butterfly. You know
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: what I mean? I should always pay homage to that cocoon.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Well, who or what pours back into you?
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: The people. And you have to join.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: This is a great question because you have to have
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: people that you look up to and people that you
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: trust enough to pour into you. You know, um, Bishop
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Jakes is my guider. He's my spiritual father. Even when
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking to him, because he's very busy, I
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: still live by everything that he and I have shared.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: When I first got saved, I traveled with Bishop as
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: an armor bearer. Bishop wanted to make sure that I
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: was hooked in and locked in and make sure I
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: was engrafted in it. And we used to travel, which
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: was great. And we would play games on the road.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Like he would say a stop sign. And he wanted
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: me to riff a quick few minutes on the stop sign.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: You know, don't let anybody put a stop sign in
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: front of you when it's time to go see the Lord. Oh,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: we would start playing with it, just messing with it. Since,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: you know, I was in broadcasting and he's in the preachers.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: So he taught me so much, man.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I thank God for him.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I remember when I retired, and the greatest advice he
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: gave me, he.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Said, son, just work your way back into the house.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: My ego jumped. What?
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about I pay all the bills. I got
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: to work my way back into the house, you know.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: That's where you would go with it. And he said, basically.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I said, just because you don't have any quarterbacks to
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: fight anymore, let's not go home and start fights.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: So he said, the.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: House has been running fine for the last 20 years
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: while you've been on the road working. Don't try to
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: come back. And all of a sudden started making all
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: the decisions.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: And it's brilliant.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Look at the divorce rate. Look at the problems people
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: go through right after they retire. He's going through stuff
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: because he's trying to find who he is. And then
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: She may be going through menopause or whatever. And sooner
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: or later, you end up in divorce. Things like that
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: really help with walking life.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: What was that transition for you leaving the game?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Because it is a real, it's an identity shock to
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: retire from, especially if you've played a long time and
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: at a high level, you know, you're never going to
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: be the man in the arena again.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: Never.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: And there's nothing, there's nothing to match it. I don't
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: care what you say. You can try to come close
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: with it. There's nothing to match walking out on a
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: football field with 52 guys and we're coming to impose
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: our will. And we are locked in together. You know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: and especially like the run Miami had last year where
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: every stadium you walk in, nobody gives you a chance.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: And you walk in, you leave your mark, and you
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: walk out.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: For a man, there is no greater thing that you
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: can feel or accomplish to me than that.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: And I know people are like, what happened, baby? That's great.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: It's great seeing it come on out, you know, when
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: it gets here, but— It ain't as great. There's no
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: greater feeling than walking in here, 53 down, 10 toes down,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: about to whoop your tail.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: And, yeah, I would always yearn for that.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: So how did you transition out of that?
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Trying to find other ways to win. Honestly, victory was victory. Like, okay,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: I'm a pound over what I was playing weight. Hey,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: that's a victory. When I see all these other mother
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: brothers looking as big and old as grandmothers, I'm like, damn, dude,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: you don't think people remember what you look like?
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: You were scoring touchdowns.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Now you look like you blocking for the people to
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: score touchdowns, you know? So that, you know, it always
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: mattered to me. I'm going to fight the good fight
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: all the way around to win. But I love what
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: God has done.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: See, I see.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: These platforms we have as a ministry, you know, I
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: can use the great game to help people.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: We love football. We watch it.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: And football has all the great traits that are most
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: important for success in life. You know, I always, like,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: you can't have success by yourself in football. You can
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: do it in basketball. Somebody can get a rebound and
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: then go score by himself. In baseball, somebody can hit
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: a home run by himself. In golf, they can drop
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: a putt all by themselves. See, you can't do that
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: in football. You can't do anything all by yourself. And really,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: all of the institutions that are important to us in life, corporations, organizations,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: and most importantly, family, you got to do with other people.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: So that's why the great game is so great for
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: the game of life.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Who was your biggest mentor? That, like, kept you out of, well,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: not out of trouble.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Right. You know what? They've always been coaches. They've always been.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Like, when I got kicked out of public schools, Coach
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Smith came and got me out in the streets to
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: bring me to St.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Thomas, you know.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden I got Coach Smith,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: and he took good care of me. And then he
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: passed me. He literally went and met with Coach Johnson
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: and said, listen, I just lost my father. He said,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: you know. He needs some stability. He needs to know
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: you're going to be there. And the first day I
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: get into Miami, I'm getting in a fight. And Coach
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Johnson has to call me in and say, son, listen,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to stay with you now, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: we can't be fighting our teammates, you know. A couple
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: weeks later, I break another teammate's jaw. Buddy, I'm going
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: to stay with.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: You, buddy.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Don't make it hard on me. Why don't you get
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: in fights? Because I was, you know, I'm trying to
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: make my way. I just left the ghetto. And I
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: was trying to let guys know I'm not here to
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: play these games. I got a lot of brothers and
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: sisters hungry back home. I got to get in here,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: get some touchdowns. By the way, not judging.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I have been in a fight or two on my own.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: But you're just like, you're just a happy guy.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I'm a happy guy. I'm a happy guy. But I'm this,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: you know what I've learned? I'm this happy. But right
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: on the other side, right on the other side can
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: be an issue. And this is true, too. Now, you
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: got to study this and learn. If your mom is
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: pressured or stressed in her third trimester, and I'm not
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: 15th or 17th years. Trust me, she was pressured or stressed.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Your brain develops differently. Like the fight or flight stage,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: the reptilian stage, mammalian, my brain's a little bigger. My
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: reasoning box is a little smaller. I'm more apt to
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: fight than reason. This is a true study. I'm more
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: apt to fight than reason. Now that works great for
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: me on the football field.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Ready to fight right now.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: But when I'm just driving down the street and somebody
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: cuts in front of me.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: That's not useful.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: And now I'm, pull over, I'll whoop your butt. Now
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: it's a whole different thing. And it tells you, it
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: tells you, knowing you're like this, it's, 75 80 percent
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: of beating it you know so now if i'm driving
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: around and somebody cuts me off calm your black ass
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: down you ain't on the football field all.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Right buddy stop right there buddy and it go about
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: my business you know.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: I had to figure this out especially when i said
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: i ain't got no more i retired like i don't
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: have any more touchdowns yeah to make it all right
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: again so you mess up you go score some touchdowns
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: you can make it all right again but once you retire,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: you didn't have any more touchdowns to make it all right.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: You got to go get it right.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Are we too hard on Jerry?
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah. We are? Jerry Jones?
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, hell to the yeah. Oh, hell to the yeah.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: We're hard on him because.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Not just that, not because you're looking at one element
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: of what he does is what I mean. We look
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: at the one side, which is what does the Dallas
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Cowboys do? We don't ever, we don't ever give him
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: proper respect and proper love for what he has done
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: for the NFL.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I think from a marketing and like
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: business perspective, he is.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Probably the most influential owner ever. I mean, he's part
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: of the reason why everyone is multi-multi-multi-millionaires and other owners
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: are multi-billionaires and are selling these teams for what they're
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: selling them for.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: You know, but how often do you hear people say it?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Well, that's boring.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: I know, I know.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: We know how boring that is, but fans are going
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: to be like, but he closed it. And they don't care.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: And they don't care because they're.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Not making any money off of that. You are making
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: money off of it.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: In some kind of weird way, I'm making money off
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: of it because it's grown the sport, which grows the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: media coverage and grows the rights.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: He's making money off of it and the other owners are.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: So the business of the sport owes.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Jerry a tremendous amount.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I think, I guess I ask because I think a
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: lot about.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: the.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Legacy of some people that have had major influence over
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: decades of time in our space. Like someone like a
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Dolly Parton who obviously had an incredible influence.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Just beyond a legend, just like an incredibly influential person
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: and people that we, you know, think of as immortal are,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: you know, not going to be with us forever. And
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I think about someone like Jerry, who has had a
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: lot of success, but also, you know, has influenced a
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: lot of different people, you being one of them. And,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: you know, has obviously had a relationship with Jimmy, someone
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: that we both love. And I do wonder, like, you know,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: what will that legacy be?
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: And you know what, talking about Dolly, I saw the
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: other day where somebody vandalized her star.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, what....
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Dolly Parton was this perfect of a person, the greatest
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: person you would ever run into, ever encounter. I love
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: her mannerism, her spirit, everything. What she did, what she
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: talked about Whitney Houston doing her song, and then what
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: she did with all the money and everything. And yet, somebody, somebody,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: that's the scary part. You can say, everybody loves her. Somebody,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I don't. That's where we are. You want to be like, dude, okay, dude.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: And you did that proudly. Like, we should listen to
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: what you got to say. It blows my mind. It
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: blows my mind. My boy, Stephen A. I had dinner
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: with Stephen A a couple weeks ago. I posted a
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: pic dinner with my boy. You know how people tore
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: into me? Michael, man, listen to me. I'm done with you, Michael.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I can't believe you took a picture with me.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Dude, I've known this dude for 35 years. You heard
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: one little snippet of a comment about him.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Now you want me to let your opinion override my
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: opinion of him.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Think about that. Think about that. Think about what you're
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: saying and then just unfollow me.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you talking about Free My Cousin, who... Has actually
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: committed something that deserves to be in jail.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: And that's the mentality we deal in when we talk
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: about personal preference. So I let the results do the
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: thing for me. I don't take people's opinion of what
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: people are. Let me see what the results are.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: No, and I think that's I think that's an important
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: way to move, especially these days where everyone you know,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I don't really think canceling is a real thing, but
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: everyone's going to have their day in the sun, so
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: to speak. Like that is just that's what people hunt for.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: It's it's the way that the world is. We build
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: people up to tear them down. We want to make
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: sure we tear people down before we allow them to
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: rise again. Nobody can just be on an Ascension and
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: stay up there. Like you have the rare ones of,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like a Dolly, but even her, as you mentioned,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: now someone's.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Facing her star.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Like there's just, we cannot allow, it is like the
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: nature of humans to not allow people to be great.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And we're all going to make mistakes.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: We're all going to have missteps. We're all going to
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: have things we do wrong.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: But we don't have the grace it feels like anymore
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: to allow people to overcome those things.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: And part of it is social media, right?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Like if you guys played and everything that happened when
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: you were playing happened now, it would be in a
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: completely different.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Conversation.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up and like pre-internet, when I
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: was in college, social media wasn't even that big of
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a thing.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that I was of the.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Last generation where I could just go out and not
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: have to worry about somebody taking a video of me
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: while I was out having a good time.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but now, but I thought about that. And you
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: know what? I'm glad this thing is where it is
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Because when I got caught in the hotel room, everybody
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: was acting like I was the only one out there
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: doing that kind of stuff.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Now we know everybody's doing it because social media is
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: out here.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: When I had the White House, everybody made me the
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: worst devil in the world.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Now they got Love Island, everybody doing it. The same thing.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: The White House wasn't anything.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: It was just an early Love Island. That's all we
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: were doing. Same thing they're doing on Love Island. So
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: now it's all good. That's the one thing I will
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: say about today's world now.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: I said this.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute. Maybe God was blessing me. Let me
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: get in trouble back then. You can't bring no new
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: shit up on me now. So whatever. You know what
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: It's good. It's all locked up now.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Not everybody else is sitting here walking around on pins
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: and needles because of any accusations.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: But I've been dealing with them for a while now.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: You've weathered the storm?
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: I know. I'm like what they call, I'm on the
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: other side.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: So i'm okay now we got it out now right
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: you know you can't write nothing you ain't already written
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: about me so i'm okay.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: With yeah that's a good point so the white house
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: is just love island you guys were just ahead of
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: you were ahead of your time.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: That's all it was you know and i didn't make
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: your money off it they cost me.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: Money with mine but they're gonna make money with theirs you.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Know you were ahead of your time That's all.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: That's all.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: And I really thought it was brilliant. I don't know,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: you know, people say, Mike, what were you doing? That's
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: why when Jerry asked, Mike, what the hell are you doing?
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: What were you guys thinking? I told him, I said, boss,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: we were trying to do the wrong thing the right way,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: you know. But because it was the wrong thing, we
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: understood that. But we were, you know, I thought it
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: was a good place to have, you know, team camaraderie. Mm-hmm.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: You're spending $ 400, $ 500, $ 600 on a hotel room a night.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: If you just throw that in the pot for the month,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: you got 30 rooms, 30 nights. You ain't got to
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: put that.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: You were doing the math?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a brilliant plan until the police showed up.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Brilliant plan. It was a brilliant plan. We got to
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: talk plays and talk about playing. You know what I mean?
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: It was fun.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: It was fun. The results are three Super Bowls.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: However you want to chalk that up.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: I guarantee you if Dallas, if the police walked in there,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: they ain't won in 30 years. If they walked in
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: today and saw me doing that, I'd say, we're sorry.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Finish doing what you're doing. Just get back to Super
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Bowl and shut that door. This is the wrong house.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: This is the wrong house. What do you think about
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: all the NIL money now?
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: But I love it for families. I really do. And
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: that's another thing. Like, you know, think about that. I
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: don't think people think about it. Like, you get Linda here.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: You got moms. All the moms now are with their
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: kids in college. You see, these moms move with their
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: kids in college now. We got to sit off. You know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: our moms couldn't come. They just couldn't come. They were
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: home working while we were working a scholarship trying to
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: go make some money. Now you get NIL, you got
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: NIL money, you can move your mom with you, which
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: helps you be more mature and handle things correctly. That's
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: what I love about this team now with Miami. Look
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: at Mark Fletcher. You look at Malachi Toney. Dude, listen, Joy,
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: you see these young men. These are literally good players.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: people yeah these are great people they're great i'm like
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: man i think our old dirty miami stuff taints these
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: good people you you we we did some dirty miami
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: stuff these are good.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: You guys were the most hated.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah we were the most hated.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: You guys didn't work because that still carries over to today.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: You're right. Right, right. And that's what I'm saying. We
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: got to get this dirt off these great dudes.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's good. I think it's good.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about off the field. I want them to
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: play the way they play on the field. But you
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: know what?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: It's fine because it's not off the field. So let
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: them be villains. Let them talk their shit.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Because they're not villains off the field. It's just the
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: way people perceive it.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Let them keep that little chip on their shoulder about it.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Right, right. And I like that. You're right. I like that.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Somebody asked me the other day, like, how hurt were
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: you not winning this championship?
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was hurt. I was hurt.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: But through that process, we saw something. Like, we always
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: tell Miami, it's us against the world. Y'all got to understand,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: it's us against the world. But like I just said,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: these are good kids. They'll be like, why would the
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: world be against us? You see, it's just because you
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: put that U on the side of your helmet. They
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: tried to keep you out last year. They're already trying
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: to make sure Notre Dame get back in. We're going
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: to have to go through all of that.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: It was going to have to be a riot if
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: they did that.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. And then look where– but that brought us
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: all together. Yeah.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: That team came together and made that hell of a run.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: And now this year I think we see– what, what,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: what materialized from all of that.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: And you know, listen, I always get argued down by
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: athletes about this, but I would prefer to have a
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: chance at the end of the game than to get
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: blown out. Cause at least we knew we were supposed
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: to be there. I don't want to show up to
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: a game and get ran off the field.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: That's embarrassing.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I would rather have played, gave a great performance to
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the fans, something memorable. And listen, somebody got to lose
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: and somebody got to win. And then this time it
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't our night, but we had a chance at the
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: end and that's all you can ask for.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: It's a two or three play game. It really did
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: come down to a two or three play game.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know how. You miss a field goal and
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: you get a plump ball.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: You know, in that last throw, he throws that a
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: little sooner, a little bit farther, different results, you know.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: But I was just proud of the guys, man, and
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing what happens this year.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: What do you have coming up? What are you working
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: on this year?
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Man, I got so many great things that we're working on.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Of course, you know, I'll still be doing my White
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: House show.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: And then I'll do all the Netflix games, you know, pregame.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: We'll do the game in Australia.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Our girl MJ is going to be with you.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: MJ will be there, yeah, and Elle. Those are my girls.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: And then we, last week, we were with Nick Foles
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: and Clay Matthews. They'll be on the set with me,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: and it's their first time, you know. So that was great.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: We were at NBC, and we got a chance to,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: you know, do some rehearsals. And I couldn't help but
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: think about when I was with them, you know, I
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: remember being that age, going to ESPN, you know, and
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I was going to be working with Chris Berman and
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Tom Jackson. And it was incredible. And I remember worrying,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: and the guys and Chris Berman always said, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Mike, Mike, Mike, it's football. Don't worry about it.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: If you mess up, it's on its way to Pluto.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Just keep talking football, you know? And then, and now,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: I got Nick, and I got Clay, and these are
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: my boys. I love Clay. I used to call him Bloodline.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Dion and I would call him Bloodline because his whole
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: family is just a bloodline of real bad dogs, great players. So,
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: you know, I was Tom Jackson and Chris Berman. You know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: I realized that, like, wow, this is literally the cycle,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: the circle of life I have. In the same way
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: those guys would help me, it was great to be
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: around trying to throw a little help to the guys, man,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: and they appreciate it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: We got a great, great team, so I'm looking forward
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: to it.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly how you felt when you found out
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: you were working with Troy Taylor.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes, I did, Joy. Yes, I did, Joy. Yes,
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: I did, over at Fox. The same as Chris Berman. Now, listen, man.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, you were making your way. You were
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: climbing and moving, girl. You were doing your.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Thing over there.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you. We had a great time.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: We had a time on that last version of Speak
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: With Me, you, Paul, and Key. It was like a
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: real locker room. Like, in all the positive ways. Like,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: we were playing music in the breaks.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we were. Music before the show.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Everything was light. Paul was always eating some food on set.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: Paul was a funny dude.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: And it was like what television is supposed to be
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: when you're talking about sports.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: No one, there was no egos.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: We really did not have any. And you know what?
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: That was the fun part.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: And a great crew.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: And the fun part.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: And Kia and I, since we had such great history
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: and everything, man, it was... It's been fun. But think
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: about that. We spent, man, I was thinking how blessed
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: we are. Like I've had a great TV career here.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I've had two careers. I was just looking for one,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: a great NFL career. But this thing has been incredible.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: And now we get to do it all over again.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: And I just love the way the game is growing. Man,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: we're going to Australia to do a game. I went
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: to Australia, I don't know.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: 15, 20 years ago.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Russell Crowe brought me over. Russell Crowe owns the Rabbit O's.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: It's an Australian rugby football team. The genesis of our
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: game is rugby. So I went over and spent some
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: time with him, and it was great. And they were
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: looking for the NFL back then. And this was a
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: long time ago. They were looking for the NFL. This
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: was the gladiator time. Russell Crowe was the baddest man
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: in the world.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: That was the time. That's my favorite movie.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: That's not one of my favorite movies. That's your favorite movie?
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, that's your favorite movie.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: That's such a great movie, man. Of course.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: That's such a great movie. And he put me at
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Coffs Harbor. He has a house in Coffs Harbor. And
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: he said, Michael, you know, take the house. You're good.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Keys and cars, whatever you want. And, yeah, I had
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: a great time. And I wanted to go out and
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: see people. The little devil showed up on my shoulder.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: You know, I got in the car and went looking
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: for bars, driving on the wrong side of the road.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: But they were football fans then. And I'm telling you,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: that was 15 years ago. So imagine how excited they
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: are now to finally be getting a football game in Australia.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: So I'm excited about that.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Do you like the international games?
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: I love them. I love them.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Well, like not for you to go to.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: We like to frolic in every country. Is it hard
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: for the players, though?
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: No doubt. But here again. This reminds me of some
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: of the nonsense that people push to get to Jerry Jones.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: Perfect example.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: So I get players going, and I hear them complain,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: talking about, well, you know, at practice, man, we got
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: people that's always having tours. You got to wave at people.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like, are you joking? Yeah.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Are you shitting me?
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: So at the Cowboys facility, they have like these tours
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: that go through and you can see inside like the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: weight room.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Right, the weight room? Right, right, right. And the players
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: don't like sometimes that people can see them lifting.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: And they wave like, hi. And you got to wave back.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: And they're playing about this. I'm like, dude, dude, dude, dude.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: Do you understand what Jerry has done? See, these practice
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: facilities used to be on what they called D property.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: I remember Jerry drawing all of this up in the
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: room long before it started to happen. On D properties
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: when you're grading them. And that means they were lost leaders.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: You made no money with them. You made nothing. So
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: it was just cost. When you put them in better properties,
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: like maybe a B property, and you own all the property,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: and now you're putting offices around it, now you created
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: a revenue stream with your practice facility.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: That's how we got....
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: That's how we got the number from when I'm making $ 6, $ 7,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: $ 8 million a year to these jokers making $ 50, $ 60
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: million a year. And you damn complaining because you got
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: to wave? Well, let's stop you from waving and take
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: you back to the $ 7 and.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: $ 8 million. I'd rather wave and take home the $ 60.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Stop doing dumb stuff like that.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: And see, people perpetuate that and put that on Jerry
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: like he doing something wrong without talking about, oh, the
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: number went from Michael 7, 8 million to Dak 60,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: and all you had to do was wave.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: Shut your ass up and wave. And be quiet.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. That's the stuff that messes
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: with me. That gives Jerry and says something bad when
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: it really is something great. I wish Jimmy would have
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: let Jerry do what Jerry needed to do and Jimmy
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: just keep doing what you needed to do. Imagine what
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: it all could have been.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: If that would have been the case.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Jimmy and Jimmy and Jerry breaking up was. Yeah,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: that ended well. That ended a stretch of things that
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: could have been a lot different.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: Right. But now that you see the results of what
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: Jerry was doing, and I understand Jimmy, he's not the
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: visionary and businessman that Jerry is. He's a visionary when
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: it comes to football. He was doing his part. He
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: just couldn't see what Jerry was doing. And I wish
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: they could have commingled forever.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Do you think there'll be another Jimmy Johnson?
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: No. I don't think so either. No. And that's not
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: a time. for another Jimmy Johnson. This is not the time.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that the charm of Jimmy to me,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: the brilliance of Jimmy to me, is that Jimmy could
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: take someone who is maybe a little bit of a troublemaker.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: and bring the best out of them by earning their trust,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: but also by having the ability to determine, okay, this
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: person might get in a little bit of trouble, but
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: this person isn't a bad person and is also not stupid.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: And there's like this line.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Venn diagram of a player that is like, look, everybody's
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: not going to be on the straight and narrow.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: But if you're talented enough, maybe you're a little off
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: the rails a little bit, but you're also smart. You're
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: not a dummy.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: You can't be.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: off the rails and dumb. Like that's too many, there's
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: too many things.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Right. Cause you don't have even the ability. Why am
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: I talking to you? If you don't have the ability
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: to comprehend what we're talking about, then there's no way
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: I can correct the issue.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: You don't have the capacity to understand that. Okay.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: There's studies that say I am 70% more likely to be,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: you know, fight over flight. And then therefore I need
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: to regulate my nervous system and regulate my self-control and
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: my emotional discipline so that I can make it. I
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: still need to keep this here, but use this to
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: be successful. Like if you ain't even understand what I'm saying,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: I'm using words that are.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Too big for you. Like this, it don't matter.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: How talented you are. And you're right.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: And because also Jimmy is going to push you to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: bring the best out of you.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: At all times.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: And that's the part that I think when I say
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: it'll never be another, it's because I don't know.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: If they'll let it be another.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: If Jimmy said to someone today, asthma, get on the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: asthma field.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, boy, hey, you're going to jail.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Hey, when they come in, when they rush in with,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: you know all of these things we have to monitor.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: You didn't respect mental health? You didn't respect me. All
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: the things that we have to deal with now would
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: be an issue. You know, they'll be like, Jimmy's trying
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: to hurt people. You got to take them out of
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: the league. You know, that kind of stuff. So that's
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: why I said it'd be tough because Jimmy was hard.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Jimmy coached hard. And he brought the best out of you.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: And I don't know.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his camps were notorious.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were real camps. We're going through real camps.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: And I love that, dude. I love that. I like
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: hard camps.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: What is the one thing like old school that you
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: wish would come back?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Because I don't know that I can pick one.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sort of a, I'm an old school at heart,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: but I think that progress needs to be implemented. Like
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I think once you get new information, you should use
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: that to improve. However, I do think there are some
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: old school things that once they go away, like once
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: those recipes are lost- You know, everything's sort of cooked.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Like to me, I have an old school soul for respect.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: I don't have to respect you. You have to earn respect.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: That has to be earned. And earning inherently requires time, energy, effort.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: You can be as talented as you want to be
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: and show up and that's great. But you haven't earned
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: my respect yet. You've got to earn that.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: That's interesting.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: And there's like this idea that just because you've shown
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: up somewhere, just because you've gotten a job or you've
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: gotten a scholarship or you've gotten this opportunity or you've
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: gotten this show, that now everyone is to respect you.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: The crew doesn't know who you are. They don't know
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: how you treat people.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Your coworkers have no idea what your work ethic is
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: or what your, what your style of leadership is.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Earn that shit.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: It's not that much work and it pays dividends for
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: years to come.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Michael and I work together.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: We've known each other for many, many, many, many years.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: We know many people that have worked with each other.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: But I don't expect Michael to just respect me just because,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: he doesn't respect me as a person, like as a colleague,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: but like, you don't have to respect my work just
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: because you've heard of it. You've got to see how
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I work every day. You've got to see how I
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: work with you. You've got to see how I work
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: with the crew. I'm willing to put in the time
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: to get someone to respect me. It's not that much
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Right. Now, this is interesting because as you're talking, I'm
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: thinking about this from this perspective now. It's respect or disrespect.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: It's I respect you or I don't respect you, right?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: But is there a place in between that? Like, okay,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: maybe it's not that I don't respect you or I
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: respect you. It's I don't even know you to give
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: you that answer or to give you a let me go.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: First see you move. Now, when you walk in the room,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: am I supposed to respect, respect, respect, respect? No.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: Am I supposed to don't respect? I don't respect.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: There has to be, and this is this, there has
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: to be a place where I need.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: Some, I got to determine if I'm going to respect
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: you or not.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: So it's almost like, and I try to tell my people,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a place between we can be pro-black
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: without being anti-white. There's a place, there's a place. We
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: don't always, I'm pro-black, that means I hate all, I'm anti,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? I respect, I don't, I just,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I respect you. I gotta see
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: what you do, how you do, how you move, what
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: you move, then I'll make a determination. But we always
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: go right from respect or don't respect. And I just
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: think there's a place of determination let me determine.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: If i yeah there's there's a gray area as well
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: for sure and that's but what i'm speaking to more
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: is like the polarity of of social media i think
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: is what you mean and just how people think and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: talk now everything has to be this or that you're
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: either this or you're that there's always a box you're
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: this label or you're that label there's there's no nuance
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: in the world and we know that there is plenty
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: of nuance in the world there's plenty of people in
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: everything yeah then everything that we do but i think
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: for you know for me coming up um, in the
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: business coming up just in life there, I, I, nothing is,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: is nothing is, uh, predetermined to be yours.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Nobody owes you anything.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: And I think sometimes there is this like quick, okay,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: everything's going to be quick.
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  Speaker 2: Now you can go viral. You can get this quick.
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  Speaker 1: Like that hard work and like the effort of everything
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  Speaker 1: is like not necessary.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's absolutely crazy to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's that, that you don't think that social media,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, even Instagram, they want instant fame, instant everything where,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I went the long route, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: had to go through the work, you go to school
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  Speaker 3: or to college, go to get in the league. Now,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you see guys and you see people with
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  Speaker 3: social media, get famous, get rich right now. So everybody
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  Speaker 3: thinks that's, That's a possibility. And I don't mind it
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  Speaker 3: being a possibility. The issue is when everybody comes and
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  Speaker 3: that is the target. You know, if we land on that,
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  Speaker 3: but we were aiming to do great things in life
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  Speaker 3: and we land on the quick lick, that's great. But
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  Speaker 3: expecting and looking for a quick.
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  Speaker 4: Lick, that's different.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think that's a successful prescription.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and I think that also spills over into
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  Speaker 1: sports now, and particularly NIL, because I am so absolutely pro-NIL.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear a single word about how.
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  Speaker 2: They shouldn't be paid.
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  Speaker 1: But... The value of being at a place like Miami
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  Speaker 1: for your entire career, like in LSU for your entire career,
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  Speaker 1: the alumni base, the former players, the community, like the
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  Speaker 1: things are going to pour back into you because you've
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  Speaker 1: chosen not to take a little bit more and go
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else. That pays dividends in the long run. And
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  Speaker 1: I think those are the type of things that I
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  Speaker 1: think we're losing the recipes of.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And you're seeing the results of the ones that don't
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  Speaker 1: do that. Right.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, I love you doing the recipes because
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  Speaker 3: that's so important. Because when I'm saying we're losing recipes,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not just talking about food. And that's why I
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  Speaker 3: love that you're picking it back up because we're talking
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  Speaker 3: about the way it used to be, the way it
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  Speaker 3: was supposed to be, how moms worked. I think about
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  Speaker 3: my mom. I don't know how the hell she pulled
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  Speaker 3: off what she pulled off. And especially when I'm listening
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  Speaker 3: to ladies now and with all of this clancy thing
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  Speaker 3: that is going on where everybody's almost like, I never
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  Speaker 3: thought I'd get to this day. where we hear moms saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I thought about that, my kid.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? And you think about it.
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  Speaker 4: You're not even thinking about it. You know. Do you know?
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  Speaker 3: And this I realized when I was doing all that
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  Speaker 3: White House stuff is, you know, I was like, let's
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  Speaker 3: just get this out the way so, you know, my
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  Speaker 3: kids are young. They won't ever know about it. And
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  Speaker 3: I thought, so wait a minute. They wouldn't know about it.
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  Speaker 4: Because it's not like when I was growing up. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what my dad did because they didn't
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  Speaker 3: have computers.
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  Speaker 4: There was no record. And they weren't writing it down
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  Speaker 4: in the encyclopedia.
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  Speaker 3: And so even if I did, which I did learn
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  Speaker 3: the Dewey Decimal System, I still can't go find anything
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  Speaker 3: on him. But now anything you do, they're just going
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  Speaker 3: to punch your name in and everything comes up. So
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  Speaker 3: things are way different now. Way different.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming and hanging with
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  Speaker 1: me at Too Personal. I had a great time on
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  Speaker 1: The White House. You can go check out me and
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  Speaker 1: Michael's episode on The White House.
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  Speaker 4: You know what you're doing. You know how to route it.
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  Speaker 2: I've done it a few times.
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  Speaker 1: Follow Michael, Michael Irvin, 88, the White House with Michael Irvin,
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  Speaker 1: Playmaker Production Group and Fetching Fletchers. We had Linda Fletcher on.
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  Speaker 1: She's amazing. And you can follow her story as she
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  Speaker 1: follows Fletcher. Mark Fletcher Jr. around for the Canes this season.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 2: Football's back.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be seeing lots of you at the games and
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  Speaker 1: starting with Stanford.
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  Speaker 2: And I love you.
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  Speaker 4: I love you too, girl.
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  Speaker 3: Keep doing your thing and keep standing strong and leading people.
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  Speaker 3: And now you do know it's you're out front. You're
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  Speaker 3: out front, and that's one thing Bishop would always say
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  Speaker 3: to me. He says, you know the one that's out
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  Speaker 3: front is going to take the brunt of the wind
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  Speaker 3: because you're paving a new way for those that come
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  Speaker 3: after you.
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  Speaker 4: Stay out front. Keep paving.
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  Speaker 2: Can I get a windbreaker or something, though? Can I
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  Speaker 2: get a.
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  Speaker 4: I get an umbrella. Help you break some of that wind.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Knock it down a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: So it ain't knocking you right in the head like that.
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  Speaker 4: But it is what it is, Joy.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what you got to remember sometimes when you're
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  Speaker 3: running out there all by yourself and you're not really
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  Speaker 3: by yourself. You know, God got you out there. He's
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  Speaker 3: watching you. But when out front, it's going to take
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  Speaker 3: the brunt.
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  Speaker 4: Of the wind.
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  Speaker 2: I got it. I got a big back, as they say.
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  Speaker 4: That's a hell of a statement right there. I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to let that one lie. I'm going to let that
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  Speaker 4: one drop.
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  Speaker 2: That is too personal.
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  Speaker 4: We'll let that go.