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HOUSING IN VT - Kevin Ellis, Down Street Housing & Community Development · Aired Out

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  Speaker 1: Down the hall.
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  Speaker 2: Down, then the down then then the man.
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  Speaker 1: Down the.
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  Speaker 3: MM can hear me?
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  Speaker 4: And good morning and to welcome to the Airdop podcast.
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  Speaker 4: It is some brand new day, ladies and gentlemen. Sunday
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  Speaker 4: isn't quite shining, that's all right. We're checking the forecast
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  Speaker 4: here from Roger Hill and he's saying, get ready for
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  Speaker 4: the deep freeze. The snap is coming. Cloudy today in seventeen,
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  Speaker 4: we've got six tonight with clouds and then tomorrow still
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  Speaker 4: cloudy twenty one. By now we should be used to it. Though.
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  Speaker 4: Afternoon snowshowers Thursday thirty four, that's gonna be the heat wave.
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  Speaker 4: Snowshowers in the afternoon. But the deep freeze kind of
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  Speaker 4: pushes in a little bit on Friday, and really Saturday
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  Speaker 4: is just gonna be brutal. What is it daytime high
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  Speaker 4: on Saturday? I think of negative one. Wow, are we
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  Speaker 4: hardy folk up here in New England or what? Or
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  Speaker 4: tuning in this morning, whether you're on YouTube or FAI book,
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  Speaker 4: no matter where you are, appreciate your eyes and your ears.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you after great start. What are your thoughts
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  Speaker 4: about Barry acquiring one forty three Main Street the JJ
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  Speaker 4: Newberry Building. What are your thoughts about this? There is
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  Speaker 4: so much chatter about the need for added housing, and
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  Speaker 4: I believe we have Kevin Ellis with us. Kevin and
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  Speaker 4: you there. Can you hear me?
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  Speaker 3: JD, I'm here.
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  Speaker 4: Can you hear me loud and clear? My brother? You
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  Speaker 4: sound fantastic? How are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm I'm completely disorganized as usual, without headphones
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  Speaker 3: and literally walking outside. No, it's fine, but I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: be inside in just a second.
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  Speaker 4: Well, my guest this morning, if you're just tuning in,
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  Speaker 4: is the host of Conflict of Interest, a podcast frankly
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  Speaker 4: about the world and on his site right now, it says,
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  Speaker 4: through a discerning lens of journalism, politics, and above all Vermont,
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Ellis goes against the grain of today's politics and
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  Speaker 4: celebrity culture to talk about the massive change all around
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  Speaker 4: us and how the world actually works. This guy is Kevin.
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  Speaker 4: You are somebody who at one point you and I
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  Speaker 4: were really trying to grab a cup of coffee together
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  Speaker 4: and it never happened. It's going to happen now. It's
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  Speaker 4: got to, man, it's got to.
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  Speaker 3: Be Pearl Street Pizza.
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  Speaker 4: I will meet you there, man, you how many? We're
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  Speaker 4: going to talk about some of the hats that you wear.
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  Speaker 4: Board chair of Downstreet Housing and Community Development right here,
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  Speaker 4: Ian Barry is one of those hats, which serves all
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  Speaker 4: of Central from out Washington, Orange and Lamoyle Counties. How
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  Speaker 4: has that been being the board chair?
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  Speaker 3: It has been one of the great honors of my life.
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  Speaker 3: I hate to sound right in saying that, but it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's been fantastic. You know. We have grown Downstreet Housing
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  Speaker 3: from a little land trust in Barry in dusty old
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  Speaker 3: offices to a sparkling new headquarters on Keith Avenue and
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  Speaker 3: into a juggernaut that is building and renovating and maintaining
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  Speaker 3: affordable housing for people who otherwise would not be able
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  Speaker 3: to afford housing all over the region. And as you said,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just been great. It helps. Let me say,
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  Speaker 3: when you chair a board and you have an executive
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  Speaker 3: director in a woman named Angie Harbin, who is just
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  Speaker 3: one of the great Superstars of Vermont. So it's been
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  Speaker 3: fantastic and I'm glad to talk in greater detail if
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  Speaker 3: you want to do it.
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  Speaker 4: And Sarah Madrue, the director of Development, Nick Lantry, operations manager,
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  Speaker 4: the list goes on, Man, I mean, what a team
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  Speaker 4: over there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a fantastic team. Skyler Anderson Rachel in compliance.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the list goes on. We've grown from thirty
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  Speaker 3: plus people five years ago to sixty plus people now.
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  Speaker 3: And while growing your headcount is not necessarily a sign
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  Speaker 3: that you're doing your work better, this was only we
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  Speaker 3: only grew because the need was so great and because
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  Speaker 3: we had the money to do it and just build
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  Speaker 3: a lot more housing. So you know, if you've been
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  Speaker 3: up to the Berlin Mall and seeing our new project
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  Speaker 3: up there and all around the region. So yeah, the
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  Speaker 3: team has been incredible and I get to chair the
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  Speaker 3: board and make sure that the trains run on time,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, the real work's done by the staff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. What a what a development up there with with
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  Speaker 4: Fox Run absolutely amazing. You know when I drive through there,
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  Speaker 4: Let's be honest, I used to drive very slowly because
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  Speaker 4: of the potholes. Yeah, now that that road has been paved.
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  Speaker 4: I drive through. I still drive through there slowly just
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  Speaker 4: because I'm gazing at Fox Runs just just saying wow.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, so many years that we remember there being
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  Speaker 4: frankly nothing there, and now we've got this amazing, amazing
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  Speaker 4: housing complex.
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  Speaker 3: Well and if you think about it, if you you
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  Speaker 3: know it, Berlin has been trying to sort of build
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  Speaker 3: and develop a town center there for years. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's not Montpelier and it's not you know, Wallingford, Vermont,
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  Speaker 3: but but you know they're making a stab at it.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, if you look at the new Fox
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  Speaker 3: Run development and then across the street, you've got the
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  Speaker 3: uh the senior housing piece, which is nice, and then
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  Speaker 3: you got the mall and all the stores. So you're
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  Speaker 3: starting to sort of build some synergy up there so
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  Speaker 3: that people and you've got the hospital, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: so now you've got a kind of community. The kids
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  Speaker 3: who live at Fox Run can walk through the woods
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  Speaker 3: on a trail to go to the the Berlin Elementary School.
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  Speaker 3: So now you've got now you've started to build some
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  Speaker 3: community there. Uh. It's good for the mall owner, who
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's got built in shoppers. It's good for
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  Speaker 3: our people because they've got places to go and get
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  Speaker 3: the things they need. So and then the hospital so
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  Speaker 3: they can go to the doctor. And there's public transportation.
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  Speaker 3: You know it's not perfect, but yeah, better than it was.
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  Speaker 4: Public transportation is huge. It goes right through their big artery.
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  Speaker 4: But also, you know, you can work at the hospital
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  Speaker 4: and and live right there at Fox Rotten. You don't,
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  Speaker 4: you don't even need a car.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, That's right, And that was the that's always
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  Speaker 3: the goal, you know, is to is to make it
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  Speaker 3: easier for people. You know, having a car in today's
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  Speaker 3: society is not that easy. You know, new cars now
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  Speaker 3: are I don't know, fifty forty fifty dollars. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: if you can get if you can get by without one,
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  Speaker 3: you're you're ahead of the game.
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  Speaker 4: Downstreet Housing and Community Development. Just a little bit over
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  Speaker 4: a month ago was a awarded a pretty good sized
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  Speaker 4: check for the Community Development Block Grant Disaster Recovery Fund.
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  Speaker 4: Can you tell us about that? This was all designed
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  Speaker 4: to support new affordable housing right here in central Vermont.
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  Speaker 3: Am I right, yeah, that's right. And in a separate award,
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  Speaker 3: we were given many millions of dollars to buy the
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  Speaker 3: quality in in barri and renovated into a homeless services hotel,
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  Speaker 3: which we have done Speranza and yeah, the Speranza in
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  Speaker 3: and we're really excited about it. And this is a
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  Speaker 3: place where homeless and formerly homeless can go with their
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  Speaker 3: eighty day voucher from the state and they can get
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  Speaker 3: a clean room, they can get access to food and
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  Speaker 3: counseling and other support services clothes, uh and and case
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  Speaker 3: managers to talk to to to help them with their troubles. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there hasn't they have There hasn't been that
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  Speaker 3: option for our homeless neighbors. So, uh, that is up
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  Speaker 3: and running and fully booked and we're really proud of that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The Community Development Block grant is just gonna you know,
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  Speaker 3: open the our open up our ability to continue to
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  Speaker 3: develop new projects and uh and and help us improve
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  Speaker 3: the housing that we already have so that people have
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  Speaker 3: a safe, warm, dignified place to live.
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  Speaker 4: Washington County and Lamoyle County.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Lamoyle County thing. You know, we were approached
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  Speaker 3: and you know Angie has the the real detail on this,
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  Speaker 3: but we were approached. Gosh, I think it's been two
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  Speaker 3: years ago now by the folks up in Themoyle County
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  Speaker 3: saying we want to do more affordable housing up here,
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  Speaker 3: would you guys consider sort of you know, helping us
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  Speaker 3: out and taking over our what we do what we
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  Speaker 3: do now.
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  Speaker 5: And we looked at it closely, We've looked at it
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  Speaker 5: in the past, and we decided in the end that
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  Speaker 5: it was the right thing to do.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, these things are hard. You're you're you're
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  Speaker 3: taking an old organization merging it with a new organization,
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  Speaker 3: and those things are never easy. But you know, you're
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  Speaker 3: combining boards of directors and things like that. But I'm
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  Speaker 3: the guy always at the board meeting who says, if
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  Speaker 3: we don't do it, who's going to do it? And
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  Speaker 3: and that's been a good sort of watch word and
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  Speaker 3: philosophy as we've gone along here for the last I
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  Speaker 3: think I've been on the board for ten years. I
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  Speaker 3: think I've been board chair for five and my term
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  Speaker 3: is coming up in April. But if we don't do it,
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  Speaker 3: I always look around and say, how's it going to
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  Speaker 3: get done? If we don't do it? Because we have
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  Speaker 3: the skills, we have the funds, we have and we
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  Speaker 3: have the expertise. So why not.
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  Speaker 4: Kevin that check for the cd BG d R fund
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  Speaker 4: there that we're talking about was for fourteen and a
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  Speaker 4: half million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Is that a lot of money? Is Is that a
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  Speaker 4: good sized check compared ye, comparatively to what needs to
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  Speaker 4: be done?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, well, number one, it's never enough because our countries
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  Speaker 3: lack of investment in new housing has been a black
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  Speaker 3: mark on all of us over the past two decades.
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  Speaker 3: We fell behind number one. But number two, Yes, at
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  Speaker 3: fourteen million dollar figure is a big number. I can't
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  Speaker 3: remember what the total number is that the state gave out,
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  Speaker 3: but we were among, if not the largest receiver of
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  Speaker 3: those funds. And a big thank you to Governor Phil
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  Speaker 3: Scott and his Housing Commissioner Alex Ferrell for making and
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  Speaker 3: many others for making that happen. And this is going
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  Speaker 3: to allow us to build a lot of new housing
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  Speaker 3: over the next five years.
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Ellis is our guest this morning on the Aired
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  Speaker 4: Out podcast if you're just tuning in, if you're just
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  Speaker 4: joining us, so it's about her show in the morning.
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  Speaker 4: Conflict of Interest is the name of his podcast. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: you have also been on Vermont Viewpoint on WDEV for
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  Speaker 4: god knows how long.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I'm I hosted the Friday Well, I
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  Speaker 3: was doing it three days a week. Then I went
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  Speaker 3: to doing just hosting the Friday Vermont Viewpoint. And I
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  Speaker 3: recently took a leave of absence because I found that
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  Speaker 3: it was I was wearing a few too many hats.
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  Speaker 3: My son was getting married in California, it was my
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  Speaker 3: fortieth wedding anniversary, and a bunch of others, not to
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  Speaker 3: mention Downstreet Housing board chair, and I was just doing
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  Speaker 3: too much at the time, and the radio show takes
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  Speaker 3: a fair amount of work. So I asked the owner
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  Speaker 3: to give me some time off, which he very nicely did.
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  Speaker 3: So I am not doing the show right now, and
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  Speaker 3: I am concentrating on the podcast, the Conflict of Interest podcast.
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  Speaker 4: And we should say that a lot, Yeah, it is
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  Speaker 4: a lot. We should tip our hat to to Brad
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  Speaker 4: Furland and Rob Roper. These these guys are as you
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  Speaker 4: are well aware of, big hitters with stuff like this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I love to Rob Roper and I
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  Speaker 3: had a legendary, historic series of debates on the radio.
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  Speaker 3: He came, he came on my show, and I came
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  Speaker 3: on his show. I suspect that Rob Roper and I
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  Speaker 3: disagree about everything under the sun. But that was the point,
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  Speaker 3: was that two people who disagreed could come on the
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  Speaker 3: radio and in a good natured way debate these things
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  Speaker 3: and have a good time doing it. And I think
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  Speaker 3: we did. I'd like to do more, but yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 3: focused on the podcast at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: How do we How do we get the podcast? Just
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  Speaker 4: Kevinkellis dot com.
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  Speaker 3: You can do that. Yes, you can go to my
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  Speaker 3: Instagram and click on my bio. All of it is there.
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  Speaker 3: You can google me. You can. I also have a
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  Speaker 3: substack newsletter called Conflict of Interest and you can. But
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  Speaker 3: for the podcast, just google Kevin Ellis conflict of Interest
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  Speaker 3: and up. It will come on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.
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  Speaker 4: Some comments here we need affordable housing in Washington County.
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  Speaker 4: This is not Burlington or Rutland. And another comment saying
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  Speaker 4: stop taking away the motels and hotels so we can
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  Speaker 4: get tourists back to Barry in surrounding areas. What say
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  Speaker 4: you about that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good one. I appreciate the comments well
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  Speaker 3: with respect to the quality in it was the governor
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  Speaker 3: who asked us to do this number one, And when
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  Speaker 3: the governor asked you to do something, you generally do it.
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  Speaker 3: We we were nervous about it because that taking over
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  Speaker 3: the quality in got us into the motel business, and
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  Speaker 3: suddenly we're a nonprofit housing developer being asked to own
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  Speaker 3: and manage a hotel that is not our core specialty.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, we say, as I said before, if
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  Speaker 3: we're not going to do it, you know who's going
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  Speaker 3: to do it. So we jumped in and we renovated
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  Speaker 3: that hotel. I don't think we were taking that hotel
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  Speaker 3: off the books so that tourists could stay there. I
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  Speaker 3: think I think tourists are going to stay, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a very nice hotel when we got our hands on it,
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think tourists were staying there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do understand.
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  Speaker 3: I do take the question, and I take the point. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're right. We need those tourists to come to Berry
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  Speaker 3: just like they come to Montthillier.
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  Speaker 4: Right, you know, And I not to speak for our
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  Speaker 4: listener here, but I think that, you know, what they
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  Speaker 4: might be suggesting is that we've got the comfort in
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  Speaker 4: right off at exit seven there, but maybe it would
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  Speaker 4: be nice to have something else more in the heart
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  Speaker 4: of downtown Berry or closer to the city.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, wouldn't it be I mean I heard you mentioned
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  Speaker 3: earlier the old JJ Newberry building. Yes, wouldn't it be
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  Speaker 3: great if we could get that revitalized. And now you've
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  Speaker 3: got you know, you got Bob Nelson across the street,
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  Speaker 3: and you've got the Berry Social Club, and you've got
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  Speaker 3: Pearl Street Pizza, and you've and then you put something
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  Speaker 3: else at JJ Newberry and then you put a small
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  Speaker 3: hotel downtown where people could walk to all these great attractions.
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  Speaker 3: What a great step forward for Barry that could be.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we're going to see, you know, what's going to
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  Speaker 4: happen here. Obviously, I'm sure you're aware of the news
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  Speaker 4: that the city has successfully acquired that one three Main
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  Speaker 4: Street property, which we all know has been an iesore
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  Speaker 4: for far too long, and hopefully it'll be revitalized into
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  Speaker 4: something that's productive and good for our community. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: there's been there's been talk of it, you know a
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  Speaker 4: lot of red tape and permitting, and we've got to
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  Speaker 4: tear it down and there's going to be some green
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  Speaker 4: space in there for a while before we figure out
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  Speaker 4: development plans. But you know, chatter about retail, chatter about housing,
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  Speaker 4: chatter about a hybrid of both in that area. But
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  Speaker 4: I think we could all agree that it's a hell
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  Speaker 4: of a lot better whatever it's going to be than
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  Speaker 4: what we see now, which is it's more than an iceore.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's gone through two recent floods. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: God only knows what's crawling around inside that in that
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  Speaker 4: space right now. It's it should have been taken down
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  Speaker 4: a million years ago. I think you would agree.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, And I believe the owner is the Jesse
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  Speaker 3: Jacobs and his family along with oh gosh, I can't
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  Speaker 3: remember his name, Steve, Steve. He's one of the owners
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  Speaker 3: of the New England Patriots or the.
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  Speaker 4: Boston Celtics, stein Stein Stein.
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  Speaker 3: Stein Lewinstein, Yes, Steve Lewinstein's yeah. And so it sounds
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  Speaker 3: to me like the city and I hope, I hope
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  Speaker 3: that Tom Lowson is right in the middle of this,
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  Speaker 3: and I suspect he would be. And they I think
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  Speaker 3: they made a deal with Lewenstein and Jacob. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's a great step forward. And I know, you know
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  Speaker 3: down Street has been part of discussions around this in
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  Speaker 3: terms of what could be done there, what can pencil
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  Speaker 3: out in terms of affordable housing or or even non
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  Speaker 3: affordable housing, market rate housing. Yeah, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Barry is becoming more and more of an attractive place
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  Speaker 3: where young workers and others to move because the housing
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  Speaker 3: is a little cheaper than it is in Montpelier. So
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  Speaker 3: I've got a lot of young friends who have moved
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  Speaker 3: to Barry in the past decade, and I think that's
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  Speaker 3: going to accelerate and they're going to need nice apartments.
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  Speaker 4: What say you when you're asked, Wait, wait a second,
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  Speaker 4: you just said affordable housing. What what's what do you
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  Speaker 4: consider affordable? What's affordable? I'm sure you've you've taken some
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  Speaker 4: fire on this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we focus on people who can otherwise
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  Speaker 3: not afford market rate housing. But there is a what's
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  Speaker 3: the word, There's a balance that needs to take place.
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  Speaker 3: You need market rate housing and you need affordable housing
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  Speaker 3: because the wealth gap in this state, in this country
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  Speaker 3: has grown and it is growing, and you need both.
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  Speaker 3: You need that balance because you can't it just can't
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  Speaker 3: be you know, just housing people who are in trouble
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  Speaker 3: or you know, you've got to house police officers, firefighters,
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  Speaker 3: school teachers. You know, the pep, the glue that makes
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  Speaker 3: our communities go. Those people need housing. Whether it's subsidized
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  Speaker 3: to affordable housing or whether it's market rate housing. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the people who make our communities go day after day.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: They need places to live, and the old housing stock
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: from when I was a kid is not cutting it anymore.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: So we've got to innovate, we've got to get better
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: at this, and I think we're.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Doing it straight from the Downstreet website. Here, we view
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: affordable housing as a home environment that costs no more
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: than thirty percent of the total household income. We strive
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: to ensure that all of our customers, from rental tenants
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: to homeowners, achieve and enjoy a living situation that works
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: for them, their family, and their budget that's affordable. Subsidize
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: the rent that reflec household income less than thirty percent
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: of our portfolio, fixed rate apartments that have a low
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: fixed rate reserved for households with a below area average
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: median income, and then market rate apartments with no income
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: eligibility restricted or restriction rather rented at a rate less
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: or in line with the housing market, which is what
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: less than fifteen percent of the portfolio. I think, right,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: there's a lot to unpack there, there's a lot to
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: process with that and a lot of us are kind
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: of walking around through life, Kevin, not really knowing where
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: we're landing with all this stuff.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Well, one of the huge problems that we
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: face in Vermont and in this country is that, Yeah,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: in my day, which is I'm talking back in the eighties.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: You know, my first house I bought in Nashville, Tennessee.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: It cost me twenty eight thousand dollars and I and
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I got a fifteen thousand dollars grant from the city
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: in Nashville to put a new roof on the on
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: the place that you know that doesn't really exist anymore.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: And uh, people are paying and I you know, I
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: was paying, Oh, I don't know, twenty twenty percent of
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: my income in housing. Uh that that's not happening anymore.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: People are paying much more. There is some people are
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: paying half of their income for housing, and that doesn't
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: leave much leftover for food and other necessities in life,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: a car to get to work. So we've got to
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: figure out a way to get to drive down the
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: amount of money people pay for housing. Yeah, And it's
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: just we have to do.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: It and to preserve the affordable housing that we do have,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: you know, tell me, tell me about Seminary Street.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a that's a project we're
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: really proud of, and it's uh, we've we've I think
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: we're finding a way to keep the cost of that
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: of those apartments down so that people are not paying
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: more than thirty percent of their income. Look, it's all
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: about you know, It's all about being able to live
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: in it with dignity, in a place where you feel safe.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: I love the fact that Downstreet is making themselves so
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: available to our community to say, hey, what's on your mind?
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: What kind of questions do you have? There's no such
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: thing as a dumb question, and just putting themselves out
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: there not only with forward thinking, but also with just
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: accessibility of information and acknowledging that a lot of this
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: is a deep dive and we can easily get confused,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: especially the elderly, who are trying to figure out what
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: they should do if they own some property, if they
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: own a home, they've been in it forever. Maybe they
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: want to transition out of that taxes, or maybe they're
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: just living in a home that's too big and they
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: want to think about something something different, a different option.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: What are those options and it seems like Downstreet's doing
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: a really good job putting themselves out there, uh and
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: making themselves known. And I love that. I mean, well,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: you're so approachable on Facebook with questions that you guys
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: do you know.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: We're getting better. We We've made some new hires and
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: our social media game has been improved dramatically over the
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: last year thanks to Nick Landry and others, Sarah and
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: her team. It's kind of so important. Uh. Number one
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: and number two, we you know, we have a home
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: ownership center where we we are. We answer questions from
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: anybody trying to own their first home. And we become
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: your guide too in in how to buy a home,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: how to how to get a mortgage, how to deal
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: with your bank, and we we just become your guide
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: in all things some ownership. And the other thing is
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: we yeah, we will take your questions, We will take
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: your calls. And the number I don't have the number
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: off the top of my head, but it is probably
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: on the website. That's one thing we can do is
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: offer expertise around. You know, you're struggling to find an apartment.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Where do you live? Tell us what your circumstances are,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: what's your work situation, et cetera. Yeah, we want to
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: be the expert that you go to to solve your
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: housing issues.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Talk for just a minute here, Kevin, if you would
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: about VP the Vermont Housing Improvement Program. This is pretty huge.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: This is in Layman's here. This is basically what a
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: grant that you can get or a loan that you
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: get at a very low interest or no interest at
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: all to improve your home.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right. And again I got to
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: give the governor and the legislature credit and Alex Ferrell,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the Housing Commissioner. Uh, you know, they've they've made these
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: v v HIP funds available. We use them to plug
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: holes in projects that that you know, a lot of
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: times we have a project that you know, we're building
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: apartments and we're putting the puzzle pieces together with different
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: sources of funding from different places, and you know, v
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: hip plays a role in that. It also plays a
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: role for citizens themselves who need help finding and paying
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: for apartments. So v Hip's been a big part of
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: sort of stopping the bleeding of our housing Christ and
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: the legislature and the Governor of recognized that. So hats
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: off to them.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it says here committed to creating and or preserving
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: over fifty units I'm guessing across Lea Boyle, Washington in
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Orange Counties, but that the property owners will receive in
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: total two million bucks in funding. So what is it
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: like fifty up to fifty thousand per per property? Am
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: I right?
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah? And you know, fifty units doesn't sound
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: like a lot when you're looking at Orange, Washington and
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Lamoyle County, but you know, a every little bit helps,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: and b it is. It is a big number. And
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: you know, if you were to lose those fifty units,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: that's fifty people that you know, are you know, in
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: trouble in some way. You know, one thing I've learned
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: from Angie Harbin, our executive director. You know, I kept saying.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I always say to her, we need to do more,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: we need to do more, and uh, you know, and
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: she cautions me. And I've learned so much from her.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: She cautions me to say that, you know, every person
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: is different, every person's personal circumstances are different. And when
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: it comes to people in trouble, uh, you know, she says,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: poverty is complicated and if somebody is not doesn't have
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: an apartment, or if they're on the street or or
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: you know, or they're a police officer or school teacher,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: and you know, maybe they've gone through a divorce, maybe
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: maybe they're maybe their spouse or their child is sick.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: You know, every family is different, and so what we do,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: what we hope to do at Downstreets is to use
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: all of these levers. Our Home Ownership Center v HIP
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: CDBG grants money we raised privately and we've we've raised
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: more this year than we've ever raised in our existence.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: We try to put all that together to approach to
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: serve the needs of everybody, because everybody's personal situation is different.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, speaking of fundraising, you you you did some remarkable
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: stuff not too long ago, right around the holidays. You
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: personally offered to match every donation that was made to
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Downstreet dollar for dollar up to five grand. Yeah, Kevin,
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: that's I mean, that's just wow. Man.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Well it's you know, it felt like a lot at
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: the time, but uh again, I was, I was. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: said to myself, if I don't do it, who's going
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: to do it? And we needed to raise this money
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: and we did. And you know, when you're a board chair,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: it comes with certain obligations. Uh, you know, you chair
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: the board, you work with the executive director, you run
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: the board meetings, you you're the sort of you're you're
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: you're you're a liaison to interest groups and other other people.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: But one of your obligations, and I take this really seriously,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: is to raise money. And there's an old saying in
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: fundraising with for nonprofits which is give, get or get off.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: So it's you have got to give money, or you've
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: got to get money from other sources, or or you
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: should you know, you should? You know it sounds it's oversimplified, right,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: You either give the money, you get money, or you
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: get off. And that's not true because other board members
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: bring huge reservoirs of expertise to a board. Right, if
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: you're a lawyer, or if you're financially smart, you can
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: serve on the finance committee, or if you there's all
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: sorts of ways that you can serve on a board.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: But when you're the chair, you're responsible for, in my view,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: raising money. And I like to talk about raising money
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: with the staff. A lot of people think raising money
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: is they're allergic to it. I have never had that problem.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I like to talk about who can contribute to Downstreet.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Who should we be approaching? But it's hard to raise
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: money from other people unless you're willing to open your wallet,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: and I can't. I just couldn't think of a better
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: time to stretch and say, you know what, I've been
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: fortunate in my life and it's time to put my
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: money where my mouth is. So I did it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Remarkable. I'm just getting a text here from a friend saying,
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: ask Kevin about some of these nurses and LNA's and
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: medical staff that are coming in from out of market
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: who are trying to affect not only are area nursing
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: homes but also hospitals and if there is enough housing
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: for that.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: A great question, and boy, I'm a little over my
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: head on answering that question. Angie Harbin. I can try
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: to text her literally from my phone and say, hey,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: you should answer this question. There's no question that that
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: visiting nurses are here. There's no question they get paid
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: a higher rate than the nurses on staff. Jim Alvarez
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: is a big wig up at the hospital up the
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: up the Hill, and he is on our board and
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: it's one of the best board members you can ever have,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and he would have better answers to that. I know
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: that they I know that they the visiting nurses. We
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: don't house them as far as I know, because we
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: don't have that kind of temporary housing. Our focus is
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: on time housing for people. I so, so I think
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: the visiting nurses are in hotels, and I think they're
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: in motels, and I think they're in airbnbs and other
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: forms of temporary housing, and you know they make do
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: with you know, it works out for temporary landlords. I
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: know Airbnb is somewhat controversial because it's taking housing away,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: it's taking permanent housing away, and you know, that's an issue.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: We've got to deal with it. I know they've dealt
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: with it. They've basically banned it up in Burlington. But
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: that's my That's as much as I know about the
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: visiting nurses.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: We've seen service workers, we've seen construction workers utilizing our
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: area hotels, and yeah, when it comes to Barry, when
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: it comes to Berlin, we're talking about the comfort we
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: need to keep some of those rooms open for events
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: and tourists. Frankly, yeah, yeah, And you know another thing
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: that I wanted to tell you, and I know you
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: and I haven't had a chance to to meet up
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: and share some coffee. But I'm really hoping that's going
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: to happen at some point soon here. I'm going to
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: make extra effort to make it happen. I know you
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: and I are crazy busy. But another thing I wanted
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: to tell you, Kevin, is it was not that long
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: ago that I was trying to help a family that
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: was coming from I want to say Colorado, if I'm
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: not mistaken, that was moving right here to Central Vermont.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: One was going to be the athletic director at a
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: local school I don't want to mention the school. And
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: another one was going to be the mother was going
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: to be a teacher here at a local school. And
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: they had two kids. They had two kids, into packed
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: it all up, signed the contracts, had the jobs, couldn't
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: find a place to live, and we're talking they were
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: looking for a long time. I don't know how long,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: but they were really searching. Time ran out, they had
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: to pack it up and start heading east and they did.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: And they were searching and trying the whole time while
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: they were traveling. And when they got here, they still
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: had nothing and they were living in their car. Yeah,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: until they got some tents and some camping gear and
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: camped out at the local campground. But it was starting
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: to get into the school year had started, and now
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: it's not August anymore, it's September, and it's starting to
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: get a little chilly, and they were still trying to
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: find a place to live. That might have been two
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: ish years ago, but still, man, I mean, that's not right, bro.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: There's something, there's a big disconnect somewhere that shouldn't be happening.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: It should not be happening. You know, there's another story.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: I believe there was a similar story. I think they
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: were coming from Boston. I think he was going to
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: be the assistant principal and they were living in a
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: hotel for several months and they left because they couldn't
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: get housing. It is unacceptable. If you know, if if
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I was emperor for a day, I would snap my
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: finger and create a lot more housing that's affordable for
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: school teachers. And I you know, I'm not again. Angie
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Harbin's the expert on this stuff. Why did this happen?
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Why did we One of the reasons is we stopped
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: building housing and nobody is a bigger advocate of land conservation.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Farm Protection and Act two fifty than me. But somewhere
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: along the line, we lost the ability to build stuff.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: And we need to be able to build stuff in
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: this in this state, and it's got to be We've
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: got to be able to build it in a way
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: that is affordable to the people who live in the
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: housing and affordable to the developer that develops the housing.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: You can't ask developers to you know, build housing and
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: not make a living off the housing. That's what they do.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: So you know, we live in a capitalist society. People
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: have to make profit and people deserve a dignified place
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: to live. So we you know, the best answer I
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: have is somewhere along the line, we took our eye
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: off the ball in the building market. Rate housing for
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: the people, the glue that keeps our communities together. Ye
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: school teachers being at the top of the list, and
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: if they can't have a place to live, we've really
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: really screwed up. And we're paying the price. Now. You know,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: we're spending a lot of money at the state level.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: The legislature's appropriating a lot of money, and the governor
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: is making a lot of money available. It's not enough,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: but we're doing what we can but we're paying for
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: what we are negligence of the past.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: God bless the entire staff over at the Central Vermont
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Career Center and all of the students that are there
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: learning a trade, especially the construction trades, and the wait
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: list to get in there from other surrounding communities for
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: kids that are like, this is the road I want
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: to be on. Man, it's I just I wish that
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: would start. Really, that and construction materials combined. We need
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: to get more more people with real knowledge swing and
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: hammers starting their own businesses in the trades. We just
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: need that so much here. We need it everywhere, but
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: especially here in small town Vermont.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Well, and look no further than Governor Phil Scott, a
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: graduate of that technical school, you know, as the prime
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: example of a guy who came out of there and uh,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: you know, has made a great life. And boy, you
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: are so right. You know. I think we fell into
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: I think we you know, we I think we fell
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: into this, this this trap where oh, everyone's got to
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: go to Yale or everyone's got to go to college.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Everyone doesn't have to go to college, everyone doesn't have
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: to go to UVM. And you know, when you're a
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: plumber in this society, you can make a really good living.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: And we need plumbers and electricians and carpenters and cheap
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: metal workers and you know, and we need those people
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: not just swinging a hammer, but we need them inventing
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: new things.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, getting their masters, getting their master's license, and and
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: maybe starting their own their own business. This big time.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the you know, they're the ones that are
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: going to innovate us out of They're the ones that
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: are gonna build and deliver the manufactured housing, for instance,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: the modular housing. We're fast getting to a point where
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: we're cutting We've cut down all the trees and the
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: you know, wood stick housing is too expensive. Yeah, so
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: modular housing is. I've got friends live in modular housing
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: and they love it. It's energy efficient, it's uh you know,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: it's high tech and you can have that thing delivered
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: on site and built in a week. Sure, and who's
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: not for that. If we can do it better and cheaper,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: we should do it.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And so one of my sponsors is Fecto Homes.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: We're always talking about their ADUs over there there accessory
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: dwelling units and how people are just doing this. Man,
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: there's there's big incentives for saving with tax dollars. You
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: put it on your property, in law apartments, just whatever
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: you want. It's it's it's popular. It's becoming more popular
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: here in Vermont. And you said it super energy efficient.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: I just got a comment here saying you said it
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: Act two fifty killed development. How do you feel about that?
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Oh? This is great? So I don't politely will disagree
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: because I don't think you can blame Act to fifty
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  Speaker 3: for everything.
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: You because Act fifty go to the double edged sword here.
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: ACTU fifty is back in the two thousand and eight
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: economic crash. Who could that did not hit Vermont as
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: badly as it hit the rest of the country.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: And one of the reasons is because Act to fifty
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: stopt needless, heedless development that wasn't properly financed and didn't
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: have the backing that it should have. And so it
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Active fifty has been a savior for Vermont's economy in
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: a lot of ways when things go bad. Now, does
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: it have issues? Yes? Is it too slow? Yes? I
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: agree with the call the listener one hundred percent. But
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: I can't blame Act too fifty for everything because it
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: saves us and I gotta say. One of the reasons
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Vermont is it looks the way it does is because
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: of Act to fifty. And you know, we are not
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: New Hampshire, and we are not Massachusetts and one of
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: the and we're certainly not New Jersey. And one of
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: the reasons Vermont remains a beautiful place to live is
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: because of Act to fifty. Now the old saying you
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: cannot eat the scenery. You know, I think Act too
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: fifty has got a lot of work to do when
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: it comes to and this is the other side of
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: the coin, my wearing my downstreet hat. You know, it
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: is too slow. We've got to move faster. We've got
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: to build housing faster, and Act to fifty is a
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: key part of that. And they've got to move faster,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: There's no question about it.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: Same listener says eight hundred million in five years. Please
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: tell me how many homes were built, also says, none
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: of them help Vermont when they got to leave the
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: state to pursue their vocational education because of Act to
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: fifty red tape. Uh, the poor can't afford the poor
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: can't afford the red tape, hence stopping construction. A lot
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: of you we're both hit the beast nest here man.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: A lot of comments that are coming in. I hope
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: you get a chance to read them.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: All. Yeah, I love it. Look the the the listener's
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: got a point, and this is, you know, this is
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: being hashed out of the legislature. They did a major,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: a major change in ACTU fifty at the legislature two
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: years ago, and that law is you know, being executed
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: right now. I know that the Governor's staff is going
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: back to the legislature to try to make changes, uh
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: to the housing law that was passed so that we
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: can build stuff faster. You know, I would say it downstreet.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Act two fifty has not been the block that you
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: know that that private developers experience. And you know, it's
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: a it's a balance, it's it's you know, I feel
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: the frustration with Act to fifty. The problem is, you know,
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: and and again I don't want to be too black
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: and white about this, but the problem is without Act
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: to fifty, you become New Jersey. And you know, it's
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: a debate. You know, it's a debate. And I agree,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: you know, there's too much red tape, there's too slow
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: and they need to move faster. But I don't think
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: you should get rid of it.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Right well, the legislature is h is very busy right now.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: The well, the Central Front Chamber of Commerce is hosting
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: a welcome back legislator's reception on Wednesday, February fourth at
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: the Governor's Ballroom for the Capitol Plaza Hotel of course
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: in Pillier. Great way to get our community together and
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: ask the questions face to face with some of these legislators.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you'll be there, Kevin. I will be.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: I hope, I hope that. I know with your your schedule,
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: you may not be able to be. But it's you know, housing, education. Uh,
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: this is big stuff, man. We've this little state has
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: got a lot of problems that we need to really
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: start getting to grasp on fast.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and housing is at the top of the list.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: And you know, we we have allowed this housing crisis
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: to get out of control. Uh, and we we've just
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: got to keep hammering away at it. You know, that
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Central Vermont Chamber gathering. I love those things because you
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: get one of the things I love about Vermont. And again,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: you don't get this in New Jersey. I guarantee you.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: By the way, I keep talking about New Jersey. I
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: get to do that because I'm from there, and I'm
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: from the Jersey Shore and lived in Vermont for thirty
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: five years, but I began life in Jersey. You know,
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: you get to walk into that Capitol Plaza hotel and
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: you know your legislator. You get to walk up to
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: your legislator, introduce yourself and say hello, and complain to
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: your heart's desire. And the nice thing is that that
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: legislator listens. They will give you their email and their
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: phone number, and they will encourage you to call. Yeah.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: That doesn't happen in other states, and it happens here.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it shure does. Listen, Man, you're down you're out
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: of state right now, right I am.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I'm down in Washington, d C. The belly of the Beast.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: What do you do down there?
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Well, my mother in law is in her nineties and
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: needs a little help, and so we're down here helping out.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: And I have a son and a daughter in law
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: down here, and so we, uh, we've been visiting with them.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: Well, listen, I'm not sure when you're going to be
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: back in from mop but when you do get back
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: home here, please catch your breath. And let's let's get
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: over and have a pow wow with Downstreet. I'd love
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: to have a cup of coffee with you somewhere anywhere.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: It's years overdue. We got to do it, man, Let's
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: let's meet up and chat. Maybe get you in the
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: studio here. Man, I got a nice couch.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'd love that we could do it. We could
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: do a conflict of interest podcast right from your studio.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: Love that. It would be so much fun. Man, you
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: you're you're doing such great work. Man, Kevin k Ellis
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: dot com is somewhere you should point right now and
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: see more and and hear more about conflict of interest
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: his podcast, of course from my viewpoint, which you're you're
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: still involved with over at w D E v AM.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: I right, yes, yes, I'm just I took a leave
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: of absence for a while just because I've got too busy.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: But I'll be back.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah. What a pleasure it was to chat with you
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: this morning, Kevin in honor as well. You are are
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: such a great voice for our state and we appreciate
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: your time so so much. On behalf of all of
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: my listeners this morning. Thank you so much.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Hey Jadie, thanks a lot You're my first call when
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: I get back, and I'll see we'll do a pizza
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: at Pearl Street.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: I would love that, man. Thank you again, Kevin. Have
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: a great rest of your day, Bud YouTube. Thanks all right,
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Kevin ellis fantastic. Wow, there is so much more that
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: I'm just barely scratching the surface here, So much more
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: that could be and should be said and hopefully will
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: be said about housing here in Vermont. But man, they
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: are doing great stuff over at Downstreet, one of several
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: organizations here in Vermont that is completely vested in chipping
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: away at the housing issues that so many of us face. Really,
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: and thanks for the comments Royce, the rest of you.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: Good stuff, really really good stuff this morning. But I'm
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: going to post up on Facebook here in just a
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: little bit. I'm going to make it the Facebook question
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: of the day. What your thoughts, what your feelings are
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: about the City of Berry acquiring one three Main Street
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: stone's throw from where I'm sitting right now here on
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: North Main Street in Berry, This old JJ Newberry building,
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: which has been, like I said earlier, such a deficit
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: to our community for so long. More than an eyesore
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: wasted space. I think we would all agree is something
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: that we just simply can't afford. And maybe we could
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: even put the word anymore at the end of that sentence,
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: we just we've got to do something. I think most
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: of us would agree that it's more than just an eyesore's.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: We need that space and we need it to be
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: something that is productive and functional and helpful to our community.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: When I say community, I'm not just talking about Barry City.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about all of our communities today. If you
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: haven't yet, grab a fresh copy of the World newspaper,
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: thumb through it, put on your readers if you have to,
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: and have a look at all of the great things
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: that are happening in our community. There is so much
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: that's going on on. Montpelier Winterfest is something that I'm
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: going to be talking about going forward here as we
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: get closer to it. The final weekend in January in Montpellier,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: it is going to be a weekend filled with family
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: friendly events. Listen, we're all living here in the uh,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: in the snow and the cold. Why not get outside,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: get some fresh air, have some fun. In Vermont's capital.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: Not the end of January. I'm gonna they've got all
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: kinds of stuff going on, horse drawn wagon rides, indoor activities,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: outdoor activities, live music. The list goes on. I'm going
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: to be giving you all the details on that, just
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: diving into the community calendar. Also wanted to remind you
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: that today is Tuesday. What does that mean? It means
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: that the Tuesday night dinner is going to be served
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: up over at the American Legion at Post ten right
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: here in Barry tonight five point thirty. If you haven't yet,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: please call ahead and place your order. I'll put the
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: phone number right here in the comments. But it's four
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: seventy nine nine zero five eight and Tom JD sent you.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure what's on the menu tonight, but it's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: always something that is of comfort food. I know they
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: just had the Shepherd's Pie not too long ago, but
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: keep an eye on the Barry Post ten Facebook page
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: and the World newspaper for the menu. I know that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: it's it's in there. I'm going to put it in
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: there right now before I forget, because I will. But
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: here it is four seven nine nine zero five eight.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: Leave the cooking up to them. They'll take good care
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: of you tonight. Also, grab something at Locarno's to Go
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: if you're like, here's the example. Tonight, we've got a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: basketball game. Everything that's happening leading up to that basketball game,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: there is no time to make dinner at my house.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: There's no time to get something going in the crockpot.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: Should have done it this morning, didn't. Locarno's to Go
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: comes to the Rescue. You can find them at Harrington's.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Find them at Green Mountain Community Fitness. Grab something, pizza, salads,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: freshly prepared meals that are made locally right here in
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: Central fromont super Fresh. Tag it home, pop it in
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: the oven. Bang, It's done twenty minutes. What else Tomorrow?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: Tomorrow being Wednesday, it's not just a regular Joshmo Wednesday.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know where I came up with that, but
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: it is Wellness Wednesday. No disrespect to Joe if he's listening,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: but right here in Berry twenty three Summer Street, Wellness
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: Wednesday is something that's been going on for a long
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: time through Washington County Mental Health over at the well
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: Space Building on Wednesday the first three Wednesdays of the month.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: So tomorrow being the twenty first, is going to be
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: the third Wednesday of our new year. It is free
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: get over there, make a reservation for you know what
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: time you want your your massage? Did I say massage
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: and free? Yes, table, massage, share, massage, you name it.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: Reserve your time four seven nine four zero five to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: five four seven nine four zero five to five. I'll
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: tell you the name of the lady who's going to
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: answer that phone. Her name is Robin. Tell her you
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: heard JD talking about it on the air and you'd
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: like to get over there and do whatever meditation, acupuncture
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: they're doing yoga this year, Reiki myle facial body release
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: which I have had, which was amazing. It's just like
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: putting pressure on certain areas in your body takes a
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: pain away. It's amazing, not just for an hour, but
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: for like the rest of that night. It was incredible.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: Ten thousand plus Vermonors every single year have benefited directly
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: or indirectly from Washington County Mental Health last year alone,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: take some time out tomorrow. Reserve your time four seven
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: nine four zero five to five for wellness Wednesday at
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: the well Space building on Summer Street Tomorrow. Also Wednesday,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: winged Ding Wednesday over at the VFW Post seven ninety.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: Donna Thunder brings the music. Ron Tallman and his team
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: bring the wings. They cook them up to order as
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: you wish, and serve them up starting at five o'clock
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: while Donna Thunder is rocking out like there's no business.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: It is a great time. It's tomorrow. Also, quick note
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: here brush Bash, as I've been talking about, they are
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: open right next to the Granite Museum at Jones Brother's Way. Kids, teens,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: adults can create and rage and paint and throw things
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: and smash stuff safely. Birthday parties, group celebrations. The whole
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: family is gonna love it. Brush dash bash dot com
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: and on Facebook. Two Let's see. Uh, what else did
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: I want to tell you this morning? Is that it?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: Today's Tuesday. Five dollars Tuesdays back at the Capitol Theater
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: in Montpelier. Five dollar movies at the Capitol Theater, all movies,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: day night, whatever, doesn't matter what the movie is or
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: when it's showing. They're all five bucks Capital Theater. FGB
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: Theaters dot com for all of the listings of what's playing.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: Some great movies playing right now. Yeah, and then tomorrow
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: Wednesday they do five dollars Wednesdays at the Paramount Twin
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: Right here, in Farie, so keep that in mind for
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: a movie. Get the popcorn going awesome optical expressions. One
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  Speaker 4: I mean huge, huge day in the car sales business.
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  Speaker 4: They were so so busy. They have some really cool
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  Speaker 4: stuff going on right now. The twenty twenty five Atlas
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  Speaker 4: which I may or may not have fallen in love
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  Speaker 4: with point nine percent APR, the twenty twenty five Atlas
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  Speaker 4: there and test drive something again. Cloudy sky seventeen today
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: and the cold snap is coming, and I see on
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: Facebook a lot of our fire departments, police departments, city
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: managers both Montpellier and in Barry and Burlington preparing for
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: this cold snap. The shelters are open and will remain
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: open for anyone who needs them, and I encourage you
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: to make sure that you're reaching out to your community
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: to someone who may look like they could use a shelter,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: they could use a hot cup of something, a warm
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: blanket in a place to put their head down. I
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: encourage you to reach out to them and say, hey,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: here's the shelters they're open. I've got the full list here.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: I'm going to make a point of sharing that full
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: list where they are bearing Montelier when they're open. Test
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: has been amazing. I probably we'll run over there and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: chat with her at some point, maybe later today as
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: we and maybe Sneaker on the phone on Thursday or
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: Friday this week because the snap is coming from I
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: think what Friday night daytime high on Saturday of negative ie.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: Not that I'm you know, complaining or anything. I mean,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: you know, I know where we live. We live hearing
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: from on. It's cold up here, you know there is.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: There are a lot of dumb made up holidays now,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: like Squirrel Appreciation Day tomorrow, but some holidays do deserve
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: to exist. Today is National disc Jockey Day today, and
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: although I'm no longer a disc jockey a DJ, I
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: still tip my hat to all of them that are
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: still hanging around in radio. January twentieth in the original
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: disc jockey, Alan Freed Moondog passed away sixty one years
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: ago today in nineteen sixty five. He was one of
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: the guys that helped come up with the term rock
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: and roll in the fifties. I don't know if you
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: even know what I'm talking about, but that's all right.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: Live on Moondog. God bless everyone. Listen. If you enjoyed
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: the podcast, today. Kevin ellis absolutely incredible, making us think,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: engaging in conversation. That's I thought was riveting this morning.
• 1:12:30
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• 1:12:41
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• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: He's probably gonna be bringing his flip flops too. It's
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: gonna be a great show tomorrow morning with sweethearts and heroes.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: Tune in. We'll see you then. God bless take cood care.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: As I do.
• 1:13:24
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• 1:13:26
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• 1:13:31
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• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Use the names anything