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8/19/26 -- Dan Ball W/ Frank Pavone, Karin Sweigart, Kevin Smith, Dr. Carole Lieberman, Tres Wittum. · Real America with Dan Ball

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Speaker 1: Straight ahead on Real America tonight and exclusive, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: take you inside a very contentious fight for justice after
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Speaker 1: a high school student is targeted for what supporting President
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Speaker 1: Trump and exercising his First Amendment. Right now, they're sue
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Speaker 1: in the school. We've got the scoop and I hope
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Speaker 1: this school wises up and does Ama Kolpa because they're
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Speaker 1: going to pay. Plus, we resume our midterm coverage. Three
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Speaker 1: states last night had some big primaries and the verdicts
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Speaker 1: are in. We've got the winners and the losers. This
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Speaker 1: is the Democrats keep going towards a full blown socialism
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Speaker 1: run for November. And President Trump vows to investigate flock cameras.
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Speaker 1: If you heard about these, the license plate reader cameras
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Speaker 1: that are all over this country. We're going to take
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Speaker 1: a look at the pros and the cons of these cams. Tonight,
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Speaker 1: I'm Dan Ball and Real America starts right now. Good
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Speaker 1: wins even to you. We begin with some exclusive breaking
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Speaker 1: news here on Real America. We all know that freedom
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Speaker 1: of speech, well, it's been under attack for the last oh,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, ten years or plus. We report on
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Speaker 1: it almost daily, definitely weekly on this show, and the
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Speaker 1: reason that I cover it so often is because we
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Speaker 1: know at this network what it's like to be muzzled,
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Speaker 1: to be censored, to be ostracized from your community because
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Speaker 1: you support patriotic American values, or god forbid, because you
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Speaker 1: support President Donald J. Trump. The fake news radical Democrats
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Speaker 1: they targeted this very network. They cost us millions of
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Speaker 1: viewers and dollars. We have fought our way back onto
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Speaker 1: the airwaves over the last three years since they've been
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Speaker 1: trying to shut us up. And so this is my
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Speaker 1: commitment on this program. We're going to use this platform
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Speaker 1: to always stand up for free speech. That includes in
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Speaker 1: the media, that includes out on a street, corner in
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Speaker 1: the town square, and that definitely means on K through
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Speaker 1: twelve and college campuses. And so here we go. We
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Speaker 1: now have a story to bring you, and we're going
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Speaker 1: to call it a five alarm fire in San Diego, California,
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Speaker 1: ironically where ON is based. So here's what we know
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Speaker 1: as we speak. A now seventeen year old I believe
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Speaker 1: he was sixteen at the time of the incident, but
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Speaker 1: a seventeen year old Tory Pines High School kid. Okay,
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Speaker 1: if you don't know where Tory Pines is. Look it up.
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Speaker 1: It's out on the coast, it's right by San Diego. Well,
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Speaker 1: him and his family in the middle of a huge lawsuit.
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Speaker 1: Why because he got suspended for exercising his First Amendment rights.
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Speaker 1: But that's just a little bit of the story. Our
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Speaker 1: next guest is bringing the lawsuit forward, and it went
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Speaker 1: down today. But let me set the stage before we
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Speaker 1: talk about the suit. Let's go back to March of
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Speaker 1: this year. The student was disciplined, was suspended, and it
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Speaker 1: gets worse for having a pro Ice and pro Trump flyer.
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Speaker 1: What now, what's the big deal? Well, it's all came
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Speaker 1: to a head because the student attended a protest I'm
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Speaker 1: told in February and presented his opposing view to the
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Speaker 1: people that were protesting President Trump, Ice and the America
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Speaker 1: First policies. Now you can see here, here's some of
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Speaker 1: the signs that people were carrying. The real criminals. You're president,
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Speaker 1: if you're an Ice agent, your mom's a hoe. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So that's what some of the students. And oh, by
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Speaker 1: the way, I heard faculty took part in it as well.
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Speaker 1: We'll get clarity on that from our guest. So the
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Speaker 1: school didn't take issue. I guess with some of the
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Speaker 1: signs that were written by the wackos that are saying
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Speaker 1: your president's a criminal and ice agents your mom's a hoe.
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Speaker 1: But they got upset with this one student who brought
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Speaker 1: this sign. I support lgbt, L for liberty, G for guns,
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Speaker 1: B for beer, and T for Trump. It's satire, it's fun.
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Speaker 1: What's the problem, folks. It should have been harmless. But
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Speaker 1: oh no, no, no no. You see, those weak minded liberal
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Speaker 1: educators at Torry Pines High thought this kid was a
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Speaker 1: major threat. So that's why I said, forget the suspension,
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Speaker 1: the detention, that's minuscule, that's peanuts. They called the cops,
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Speaker 1: They literally called police. They had the student apprehended. They
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Speaker 1: told him and the cops and everybody else that he
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Speaker 1: was nuts, that he needed an overnight psychological review. That's
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Speaker 1: called a fifty one to fifty. They called him in
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Speaker 1: on that. Well, guess what the shrink said, There's nothing
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Speaker 1: wrong with this kid. He's totally fine. Here's what gets worse.
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Speaker 1: When the student was questioned and returned to class after
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Speaker 1: the February protest, he still had his sign. He was
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Speaker 1: holding on to it. His teacher a woman who, by
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Speaker 1: the way, I did some background research. We have a
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Speaker 1: coworker here that went to school, grade school and high
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Speaker 1: school with this teacher, Teresa Barnes. She left the room.
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Speaker 1: She started crying. She was so upset that he had
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Speaker 1: that LGBT sign. She left her entire class unattended for
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Speaker 1: like fifteen to twenty minutes. So you suspend the kid,
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Speaker 1: you threaten the kid, you call the cops, you get
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Speaker 1: him locked in a psych word overnight, you don't call
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Speaker 1: his parents, and turns out you lied and made up
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Speaker 1: all this stuff over one little piddly sign. Now they're
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Speaker 1: suing because they want this young man's record totally expunge.
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Speaker 1: I agree. They want some monetary damages for what the
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Speaker 1: school did to him. I agree, and I would say
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Speaker 1: one step further, this school, that teacher, anybody involved in this,
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Speaker 1: owes this kid and his family a massive apology. It's
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Speaker 1: called freedom of speech, you whack job liberal anyway, joining
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Speaker 1: me now to discuss the lawsuit and what else went
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Speaker 1: down a few months ago at the Tory Pines High School.
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Speaker 1: She is a partner at Swigert Murdock LLP. That's the
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Speaker 1: law firm representing this young man. Let's welcome to the
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Speaker 1: program for the first time, Karen Swigert. Karen, nice to
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Speaker 1: see you, and thank you, by the way for bringing
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Speaker 1: this to Oaen's attention. I haven't seen anybody else in
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Speaker 1: the country talk about this. I haven't seen the local
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Speaker 1: media in the San Diego area cover it because obviously
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Speaker 1: I'm ninety nine percent of the media's liberal, and they'll
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Speaker 1: probably think what this kid did was horrible. Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: He held a sign up that was satirical saying LGBT,
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Speaker 1: what's wrong with liberty? Some guns, some beer, and Trump,
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Speaker 1: and then he's the bad guy. Welcome Karen, thank you
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Speaker 1: for having me. So what does the lawsuit claim? What
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Speaker 1: are you looking for? Did my team get it all right?
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Speaker 1: And what did I miss or leave out?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I think that one of the really important things here
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Speaker 3: is that, you know what she said about the teacher
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Speaker 3: and the sign that was the impetus for this all.
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Speaker 3: It just caused a cascading and escalating circumstance. You started
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Speaker 3: out with the teacher who was crying and sobbing and
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Speaker 3: had to leave the children unsupervised.
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Speaker 4: For fifteen to twenty minutes.
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Speaker 3: You know, a little while later there were some searches
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Speaker 3: on a computer. These are computers that are out in
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Speaker 3: the open during the classroom, and the searches were pro
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Speaker 3: gun searches, and they attributed that to my client when
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Speaker 3: even the assistant principles said that it was normal for
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Speaker 3: students to go do things on other students computers.
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Speaker 4: After that search, they let the stud and go home for.
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Speaker 3: The day, and then the next day they decided that
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Speaker 3: somehow this was an emergency. He came to school, he
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Speaker 3: did all his classes, and then they pulled him out
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Speaker 3: of class. They had him five to six police police
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Speaker 3: officers questioning him. They took him in a police car
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Speaker 3: to the psychiatric facility. They had police looking at his
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Speaker 3: home and searching his home. And this is a kid
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Speaker 3: that is like straight a student.
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Speaker 4: Incredible, right, release, It's amazing.
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Speaker 1: No disparing action in his entire school career. It's never
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Speaker 1: been disciplined. There is nothing more.
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Speaker 4: Than detention for you know, goofing off in class.
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I got that, please big whoop. I talked
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Speaker 1: in class too much. Look, hello, I get paid to talk.
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Speaker 1: That's a that's a given. But he never had disparenting
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Speaker 1: action for something nasty bad intentionally that he did, okay,
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Speaker 1: So that's one. Two. I did not have that part
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Speaker 1: about the computers. I was leaving that for you because
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Speaker 1: I want clarity here. So a school computer that multiple
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Speaker 1: students use, somebody looked up guns and so they're trying
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Speaker 1: to Then the next day after these faculty and teachers
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Speaker 1: were so mad that he brought an opposing viewpoint to
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Speaker 1: a anti ice protest that they tried to connect the
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Speaker 1: dots and say, this kid's crazy. He's looking up how
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Speaker 1: to load guns. So we're going to call the cops
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Speaker 1: the next day and have him checked into a shrink
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Speaker 1: ward of fifty one to fifty. So that's what these
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Speaker 1: teachers did.
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Speaker 3: So it was actually several It was I believe a
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Speaker 3: month later. The computer thing at least a month.
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Speaker 1: But it was to get this kid.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you look at the.
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Speaker 3: How they put this child in the documentation that they said,
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Speaker 3: it wasn't just these searches.
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Speaker 4: It was they called.
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Speaker 3: Him an LGPD, LGTV.
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Speaker 4: You know letters alphabet suit, called him to bully.
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Speaker 3: And so they were definitely HARKing to me back to
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Speaker 3: the sign that they had it out, you know, a
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Speaker 3: couple of months earlier. So it was clearly a progression
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Speaker 3: in their thought that this sign was a problem that
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Speaker 3: showed there was something wrong with him. And then these
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Speaker 3: searches followed up that they said there was something wrong
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Speaker 3: with him.
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Speaker 1: Were they talking to the parents about any of this stuff.
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Speaker 1: Did they say, by the way, we're calling the cops
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Speaker 1: tomorrow on your son and we're going to have him committed.
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Speaker 1: I mean, was any of this conveyed to the folks.
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Speaker 3: The parents came after he was already being questioned, and
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Speaker 3: they refused to let the parents and to see their child.
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Speaker 3: Obviously they you know, loving parents here wanted to be
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Speaker 3: with their son, super concerned, and they wouldn't even let
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Speaker 3: him in there, and as parents he was then so
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Speaker 3: he was then taken to the psychiatric facility and they
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Speaker 3: wouldn't let his parents see them, and there he was
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Speaker 3: by himself. Oh, Mike, you know, we're talking about an
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Speaker 3: impressiable young mind, someone again who has not had any
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Speaker 3: any kind.
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Speaker 4: Of problems that should have warranted this kind of a reaction.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're looking at the part of the document where
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Speaker 1: they checked him in there saying that he researched how
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Speaker 1: to load to glock and how to murder and homicide
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Speaker 1: videos blah blah blah blah blah. So they're trying to
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Speaker 1: connect it here. What a kraka? What a responding department?
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Speaker 1: Because I like to dox people that deserve to be docs,
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Speaker 1: like this teacher, Miss Teresa what was her last name,
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Speaker 1: Guys Barnes? Yeah, oh yeah, she knows if there would
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Speaker 1: go Teresa Barnes along with the principal that runs Tory
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Speaker 1: Pines High School? Was this San Diego p D or
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Speaker 1: the San Diego County Sheriff's Department that responded and arrested
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Speaker 1: the kid and took him to the psych ward.
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Speaker 4: It's a good question, and I'm not sure that I
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Speaker 4: know the answers.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, we'll look it up. Like again, I
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Speaker 1: would think Tory Pines, that's technically is that within the
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Speaker 1: city limits, So would still be San Diego p D
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Speaker 1: or the Sheriff's I think that's the Sheriff's So anyway,
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Speaker 1: just like the docks, people that deserve it, like the
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's apartment, first of all, should have shown up and said, huh,
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Speaker 1: what where's the evidence? Call the kid's parents, let them
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Speaker 1: deal with it. You deal with the parents, like I'm
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Speaker 1: a little upset that law enforcement would show up and
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Speaker 1: on such flimsy evidence to make a minor and go
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Speaker 1: check him in to a psych ward without the par
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is ridiculous. You guys should be winning millions.
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Speaker 1: These educators should be fired. This kid should get a
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Speaker 1: huge apology from Miss Barnes, the principal, the superintendent of
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Speaker 1: the damn schools Tory Pines, and the Sheriff's department for
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Speaker 1: even taking this kid in. I'll give you the final
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Speaker 1: word on this, Karen. You just filed this lawsuit today.
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Speaker 1: Any reaction yet and how far is the kid and
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Speaker 1: the parents willing to take this?
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Speaker 4: No reaction yet, I expect that there will be.
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Speaker 3: I would say ideological discrimination has no place in our
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Speaker 3: tax funded schools.
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Speaker 1: Amen.
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Speaker 3: And at a minimum, we need to get back to
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Speaker 3: the point where speech has the high value in our
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Speaker 3: classrooms that it does in the Constitution.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. By the way, my producers reminded me, I
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Speaker 1: said it was the last question. But did I hear
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Speaker 1: this school tried to come after another kid months before
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Speaker 1: this incident, and when he threatened to assue him, they
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Speaker 1: dropped and cleared up his whole whatever detention, and they
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Speaker 1: were trying to throw him out. So this happened once
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Speaker 1: before with a different kid who was trying to exercise
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Speaker 1: freedom of speech.
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Speaker 4: Exactly. It is a pattern and the same thing.
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Speaker 3: That student had a sign that said we heart Ice,
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Speaker 3: and they disciplined for it and they eventually walked it
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Speaker 3: back after a nonprofit god involved to represent the child.
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Speaker 1: Amen Torry Pine's high shame on you. You're on national
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Speaker 1: notice on this show. Your goose is cooked. Maybe you
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Speaker 1: should start allowing freedom of speech in the classroom, especially
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Speaker 1: if you're going to allow these defund police, anti Ice
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Speaker 1: and Trump haters to carry their signs and say what
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Speaker 1: they want. Why can't you have an opposing view? Otherwise,
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Speaker 1: stop all this crap on your campus. Karen Schwegert, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Sue the hell out of them, take care.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Coming out after the break. Three states, Florida, Wyoming, and
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Speaker 1: Alaska had big primaries last night. We're gonna fill you
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Speaker 1: in on the winners and the losers when we come back.
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Speaker 1: Plus we'll head down to Texas for an update on
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Speaker 1: baby Gabriel, who will get custody of the child, the
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Speaker 1: surrogate mother who fled alasket to save his life, or
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Speaker 1: the parents from California who wanted her to kill the baby.
14:17
Speaker 1: That's right, abort it. It was going to have a
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Speaker 1: heart and defect. We don't want it. Then a bit
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Speaker 1: later on the program, you know those license plate reading cameras,
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Speaker 1: they call them the flock cameras. They're popping up all
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Speaker 1: you can't get anywhere else. All right, let's talk midterms.
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Speaker 1: Last night, we got results from Alaska, Florida, and Wyoming
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Speaker 1: after their primaries there and his promised, well, we had
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Speaker 1: some winners and some losers. I think most stuff kind
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Speaker 1: of went down party lines, but there were some shocking
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Speaker 1: upsets in these primaries. First, Alaska, no big surprises. Republican
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Speaker 1: Senator Dan Sullivan won his primary. He'll now face the
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Speaker 1: former Democrat congressman named Mary Peltola, who served as Alaska's
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Speaker 1: lone House rep back in twenty twelve through twenty five. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: the man currently holding the congressional seat, Republican Nick Begott
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Speaker 1: you seen him on the show. He'll also advance to
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Speaker 1: the general for his seat. So again, nothing too big
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Speaker 1: up there. Let's go to Wyoming. No big surprises. That's
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Speaker 1: a red state state Senator Eric Barlow, legislator of fourteen years.
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Speaker 1: Handley won the GOP nomination for Wyoming governor. He's expected
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Speaker 1: to crush the Democrat challenger come November. Kenneth Kastner. Same
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Speaker 1: goes for the lone Wyoming Congresswoman Harriet Hagman. She crushed
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Speaker 1: the GOP Senate primary. She's expected to dominate the Democrat challenger,
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Speaker 1: James Byrd come the general. Lastly, there's Robert Short, a
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Speaker 1: local entrepreneur who's officially now the Republican nominee for Wyoming secretary.
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Speaker 1: Of state easily won that race. So where was the craziness?
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Speaker 1: Where do you think Florida? We saw some big victories
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Speaker 1: and a couple I don't know if they were unsurprising,
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Speaker 1: but they were defeats on the GOP. Nonetheless, Now there
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Speaker 1: was an upset on the D side and a crock
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Speaker 1: pot named Angie Nixon heard of her. She's a Florida
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Speaker 1: State rep. Okay, and she's one of those dsa ors
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Speaker 1: YEP socialist, and she's famous for unhinged outbursts in the
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Speaker 1: state capitol. Do we have one, please roll it. That's
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Speaker 1: her on the floor down in the state Capitol in Florida,
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Speaker 1: acting like a nutbag. Now. I don't know if this
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Speaker 1: is a good thing or a bad thing, but do
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Speaker 1: you remember the guy named Alex Vidman. Well, she beat
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Speaker 1: Vidman on the Democrat ticket in the state Senate primary.
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Speaker 1: She'll now face off against the incumbent, Ashley Moody, and
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Speaker 1: she's already doubling down on her insanity. These things are
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Speaker 1: not radical, they're not extreme.
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Speaker 4: This is just nicely human decen here.
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Speaker 6: It's caring for our nigh.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get to who she beat, because that guy Vidman,
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Speaker 1: you should remember that name from the perfect phone call
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Speaker 1: and Trump's first term and the impeachment and him being
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Speaker 1: a treasonous little Anyway, this all brings me to the
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Speaker 1: embattled incumbent congressman known as Corey Mills. You've seen Corey
18:07
Speaker 1: Mills on this network. Well, guess what he got ousted
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Speaker 1: last night by a former news anchor. Is that right? Oh? Well,
18:16
Speaker 1: let's see, Corey had an ethics investigation. There was a
18:20
Speaker 1: lot of allegations of harassment with some ladies. There was
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Speaker 1: a former girlfriend who talked trash. He lost support from
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Speaker 1: Ron de Santez. It wasn't looking good and so he
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Speaker 1: lost last night. Speaking of other losers on the GOP side,
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Speaker 1: the radical anti semite and soroidhead. The boy need to
18:43
Speaker 1: pull back his steroids use. And I think he's also
18:45
Speaker 1: an Armenian. Dan Bilzirian got crushed by Congressman Randy Fine.
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Speaker 1: Fine took nearly sixty percent of the vote. I don't
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Speaker 1: even know if Bilsiian even showed up. Maybe you shouldn't
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Speaker 1: run your whole camp pain on hating Jews, Dan, and
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Speaker 1: you might have got a couple points. Then finally we
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Speaker 1: got Jim Swartzill this guy. He's got the lead, and
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Speaker 1: I think he'll get it because Florida counts quickly in
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Speaker 1: the seat that Byron Donald's vacated in Congress to run
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Speaker 1: for gov. Now he beat a couple friends of the
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Speaker 1: program here, Madison Cawthorne and John Strand, along with Katalina
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Speaker 1: Loaf who was endorsed by President Trump. So big victory
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Speaker 1: for that guy down in the nineteenth and finally a
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Speaker 1: good one. We knew this was going to happen. Byron
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Speaker 1: Donald's demolished everybody in the Republican gubernatorial primary, getting almost
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Speaker 1: forty nine percent of the vote. Of course, endorsed by
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Speaker 1: President Trump ages ago. So big breakdown there. Let's see
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Speaker 1: what our next guest thought of the winners and losers
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Speaker 1: from last night's primaries. He's the founder of the Loud
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Speaker 1: Majority and host of the Loud Majority Live. Kevin Smith
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Speaker 1: back on the program. Anything for Alaska, Wyoming? Or should
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Speaker 1: we just go right to Florida and spend the time
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Speaker 1: with you? Yeah?
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Speaker 7: That was that was really no surprises there. I will
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Speaker 7: say this about some of the Florida primaries. If news
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Speaker 7: anchors or former news anchors are running for Congress, Dan.
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Speaker 1: Now is uh eighteen. Okay, I tried it once. I
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Speaker 1: tried it once. Go ahead, look, you know, maybe I'll
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Speaker 1: try it again. You got to talk my wife into
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Speaker 1: it anyway, go ahead. It worked for Nixon, uh, you know,
20:28
Speaker 1: until it didn't. But no, uh, you know it.
20:31
Speaker 7: Just the two people that I want to talk about
20:34
Speaker 7: are two people that actually lost, because this is something
20:38
Speaker 7: that people are gonna have to deal with when they
20:39
Speaker 7: want to run for office, Dan balls Ariian and James
20:43
Speaker 7: Fishback because spoiler alert, hating Jews in Florida probably isn't
20:47
Speaker 7: going to go very well.
20:48
Speaker 1: Uh.
20:49
Speaker 7: But number two, people who are perpetually online don't know
20:55
Speaker 7: how to run campaigns. I've run campaigns all throughout the
20:58
Speaker 7: state of New York. I've once, I'm and I've lost some.
21:01
Speaker 7: And if you are too online, if you're getting like
21:04
Speaker 7: if you're getting a lot of social media play in
21:07
Speaker 7: a particular district, like like and you're running in a
21:10
Speaker 7: particular district like a Dan Ballsarian, did it really overinflates
21:14
Speaker 7: how well you think you're doing? You know, so, national
21:18
Speaker 7: social media presence doesn't necessarily equate to localized elections when
21:23
Speaker 7: it comes to governor and uh, members of and and
21:27
Speaker 7: congressional districts.
21:28
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well Randy lives down there and people have
21:30
Speaker 1: known Randy for a while around there, and I thought
21:33
Speaker 1: Dan Bazoian lives in California. Does he have a Florida
21:36
Speaker 1: house or something?
21:37
Speaker 7: Yeah?
21:37
Speaker 1: Dan Uh.
21:38
Speaker 7: Dan first went viral for throwing uh, an adult film
21:42
Speaker 7: star off of a roof and missing the pool. So uh,
21:45
Speaker 7: you know, perfect Florida man uh for the But no,
21:50
Speaker 7: it's you know, he Look, they weren't running campaigns. They
21:54
Speaker 7: were running social media campaign They were running campaigns to yeah,
22:00
Speaker 7: get them more followers or get the more notoriety. I'm
22:03
Speaker 7: sure they'll both write books after this.
22:05
Speaker 1: I don't know who.
22:06
Speaker 7: I doubt Simon and Schuster will pick them up. But uh,
22:09
Speaker 7: you know, it's just that's what happens when you focus
22:12
Speaker 7: on the race. Even even in Florida nineteen, you know,
22:16
Speaker 7: you had some very big names there, names that are
22:19
Speaker 7: household names. Madison, Cawthorne, Carolina have very big names, and
22:23
Speaker 7: they want they lost to a guy who campaigned in
22:27
Speaker 7: the district. Madison obviously has national name recognition. But I
22:33
Speaker 7: think that's what this really hones in on, is that
22:35
Speaker 7: if you're gonna run in a district.
22:36
Speaker 1: You have to be from that district. You can't like.
22:39
Speaker 7: Come in from the outside. And very rarely does that
22:42
Speaker 7: work unless you have like.
22:45
Speaker 1: My primary Kevin, if you knew, out of five or
22:47
Speaker 1: six candidates and the gul that beat me, Carpet bagged
22:49
Speaker 1: in with a bunch of money from out of town
22:51
Speaker 1: and I got beat. I came in second. Crap happened.
22:54
Speaker 7: Anyway, I feel like I feel like that the Carpetwagan
22:56
Speaker 7: thing really is different now because people know, like they
23:01
Speaker 7: know you're not from there where you used to have me.
23:04
Speaker 7: Look when Bobby Kennedy ran for Senate here in New York,
23:08
Speaker 7: he moved so late that he couldn't vote for himself.
23:12
Speaker 7: Hillary Clinton, obviously from Chicago. First lady of Arkansas runs
23:16
Speaker 7: for senate New York. So you know Mitt Romney, governor
23:20
Speaker 7: of Massachusetts, senator from Utah, Right, I don't really know
23:23
Speaker 7: how that happened.
23:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. Poor Like people are more in tune
23:25
Speaker 1: with it now. That's a great point. Yeah, people are
23:27
Speaker 1: paying attention more. Final one with about thirty seconds left.
23:30
Speaker 1: I think just the scandals brought him down and a
23:32
Speaker 1: little bit of arrogance. Corey Mills out in the primary.
23:35
Speaker 1: What'd you make of that one?
23:37
Speaker 7: Yeah, Now, look, Corey's a friend, He's been on my show,
23:40
Speaker 7: been on my show too.
23:41
Speaker 1: You know, he's an American hero.
23:43
Speaker 7: Turns out just too much national negativity around him, with
23:48
Speaker 7: the scandals and with the ethics investigations, which I hate
23:51
Speaker 7: these ethics investigations. If you have something, release it. If not,
23:55
Speaker 7: then shut up about it because it really just he
23:58
Speaker 7: really just smears the name of good people.
24:00
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, a lot of changes down in Florida, and
24:03
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens come November, because now the real
24:06
Speaker 1: work begins. Stop fighting each other, GOP, Let's fight the
24:10
Speaker 1: real enemy, the radical democrat socialists. That's who we got
24:14
Speaker 1: to fight from now on. Oh, I didn't even ask
24:15
Speaker 1: you to comment. They just told me in my ear
24:17
Speaker 1: what about Angie. I know you had something to say
24:19
Speaker 1: about that sweetheart Angie Dixon and her awesome outbursts on.
24:24
Speaker 7: Yeah, first off, if you're gonna yell on the floor
24:26
Speaker 7: of the Florida House, do it with a real megaphone,
24:29
Speaker 7: not when you got out of a crackerjack box like
24:32
Speaker 7: that was like a twelve dollars megaphone probably took like
24:34
Speaker 7: triple a batteries like get a good one that you
24:36
Speaker 7: got to charge some with a little gusto, what a
24:38
Speaker 7: little base behind it? Not that little plastic thing. She's dude,
24:42
Speaker 7: she had. She can only afford what she could afford.
24:45
Speaker 1: Somebody else will have to buy her a real megaphone
24:47
Speaker 1: because she I.
24:48
Speaker 7: Think I think I heard Ashley Moody singing after those
24:52
Speaker 7: after those results came out.
24:54
Speaker 1: keV thank you. Check out his show Loud Majority Live.
24:58
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith, everybody, thank you, thanks for having me. Yeah, buddy,
25:01
Speaker 1: all right. Up next, the battle over little baby Gabriel
25:04
Speaker 1: down in Texas continues on. There's the surrogate mother who
25:08
Speaker 1: fled her Alaska home because the California couple that paid
25:12
Speaker 1: her to give birth to their kid wanted to kill
25:15
Speaker 1: Gabriel because of a heart defect. So she went to Texas,
25:20
Speaker 1: had the baby, had the surgery, the baby's well, and
25:24
Speaker 1: now they're suing her. But wait, I thought you didn't
25:26
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Speaker 2: I'm ready to face what comes if it means that
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Speaker 2: he gets a chance at life. I love him. I'm
27:25
Speaker 2: grateful that I'm carrying him despite everything.
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Speaker 1: Heartrenching story you just heard from the woman McKenna West
27:33
Speaker 1: who's trying to save her baby. Can I call it
27:37
Speaker 1: her baby? If you don't know this story, listen up.
27:39
Speaker 1: I'll try and get you up to date. She's the
27:41
Speaker 1: surrogate mom from Alaska who just gave birth to a
27:46
Speaker 1: child in Texas. She's the center of a dispute with
27:49
Speaker 1: the baby's biological parents because she was hired and had
27:53
Speaker 1: a contract and paid to be the surrogate and hand
27:55
Speaker 1: the kid over when it was born. However, she refused
27:59
Speaker 1: to kill me child. What do I mean by that? Well,
28:03
Speaker 1: the real parents who paid for all this found out
28:06
Speaker 1: that baby Gabriel was gonna have a heart defect and
28:08
Speaker 1: told her abort the kid, kill it. We'll just try again.
28:11
Speaker 1: This isn't baking a cake, right. If it doesn't rise,
28:14
Speaker 1: we throw it out. The Soux flee start a new
28:15
Speaker 1: Sioux Fla. That's now her story has now been gaining
28:19
Speaker 1: global attention. Now one week ago, baby Gabriel born in Texas.
28:27
Speaker 1: McKenna again had to flee Alaska. She was up there
28:29
Speaker 1: waiting till the birth, and then the California couple was
28:33
Speaker 1: gonna take possession of their baby, but again she fled
28:38
Speaker 1: down to Texas and had the baby. Now we're told
28:41
Speaker 1: Gabriel got the treatment this week and is gonna make it.
28:46
Speaker 1: Is doing great. Here's the kicker, though, the biological parents,
28:50
Speaker 1: after asking to abhort him because of this, now all
28:54
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we want it. Of course, the biological
28:58
Speaker 1: parents were so upset that she wouldn't kill the child,
29:03
Speaker 1: they filed a restraining order against her the day before
29:06
Speaker 1: she gave birth, so West can't make any decisions about
29:10
Speaker 1: the baby. West now fighting that order while Gabriel is
29:15
Speaker 1: recovering in the hospital from the surgery that corrected the
29:18
Speaker 1: problem with his heart. Now there's a custody hearing schedule
29:23
Speaker 1: for next Tuesday, but everything's up in limbo here. Even worse,
29:28
Speaker 1: West is also being sued for what she did. The
29:31
Speaker 1: biological parents are seeking one hundred thousand dollars, claiming she
29:35
Speaker 1: violated the key terms of their contract about what would
29:38
Speaker 1: happen if doctors found an issue with the baby's health. Again,
29:42
Speaker 1: these are on allegations, but they could ruin West financially,
29:47
Speaker 1: and she knows it. But Gabriel meant more to her
29:50
Speaker 1: than some money.
29:52
Speaker 2: I would have to be a willing participant.
29:55
Speaker 1: I would have I was.
29:56
Speaker 2: I would be the one signing the consent paper at
30:00
Speaker 2: the abortion clinic, and I didn't think that I could
30:04
Speaker 2: live with myself doing that. It was scary. Facing financial
30:09
Speaker 2: ruin was scary, but nothing was scarier than questioning my
30:19
Speaker 2: own soul and knowing what would happened to this bag people.
30:23
Speaker 1: Boy if I.
30:26
Speaker 2: Flew to Seattle.
30:28
Speaker 1: Wow, strong woman joining me nout Away on this very
30:30
Speaker 1: bizarre story. He's the national co chair of Pro Life
30:33
Speaker 1: Voices for Trump and the director of Priests for Life.
30:36
Speaker 1: Our good friend, father Frank Pavone back on the show.
30:39
Speaker 1: You know, father, I've heard of instances where the surrogates
30:41
Speaker 1: at the last second because a mom gets attached. It's biological,
30:45
Speaker 1: you can't it's spiritual. I've heard of them where they
30:48
Speaker 1: don't want to give him up because they didn't want
30:51
Speaker 1: to and of course they lose that if they signed
30:53
Speaker 1: a contract and the biological parent gets it. But this
30:55
Speaker 1: is a different one. This is the biological parents didn't
30:57
Speaker 1: want the kid at the last minute because of the
30:59
Speaker 1: heart defect, and go kill it. And then she goes,
31:01
Speaker 1: I can't sign that her and kill it, and now
31:03
Speaker 1: you want to sewer and you want to take the kid. Wow,
31:07
Speaker 1: weigh in on this one.
31:08
Speaker 8: Father, all right, So you know we've set up these
31:12
Speaker 8: moral dilemmas by trying to separate.
31:17
Speaker 1: Parenthood motherhood from marriage.
31:20
Speaker 8: You know, we teach the unity of marriage and the
31:23
Speaker 8: dignity of procreation.
31:25
Speaker 1: So child is not a thing not to.
31:27
Speaker 8: Be bartered, not to be You can't be a parent
31:31
Speaker 8: and have someone else be the surrogate.
31:33
Speaker 1: We understand the motives that lead someone to say that.
31:36
Speaker 8: We have a lot of compassion and we give a
31:38
Speaker 8: lot of help to people who are suffering from infertility
31:41
Speaker 8: if that's the issue, and there are a lot of
31:43
Speaker 8: very morally healthy ways of dealing with infertility.
31:48
Speaker 1: But you can't separate what God has joined.
31:51
Speaker 8: You know, what He has joined together here is that
31:55
Speaker 8: you know, two people come together in love, a man
31:57
Speaker 8: and a woman conceive a child. We can have all
32:01
Speaker 8: sorts of scientific interventions to assist reproduction, but not replace it.
32:07
Speaker 1: That's the key insight. Assist but not replace.
32:10
Speaker 8: Once you start replacing, this is what's going to happen
32:13
Speaker 8: because you, as you already said, motherhood is not just biological,
32:17
Speaker 8: it's emotional, it's spiritual.
32:20
Speaker 1: It's one whole unit together. So now who's the child's mother.
32:24
Speaker 8: The motherhood is not supposed to be divided between the
32:27
Speaker 8: one whose genetic material contributes to the child versus the
32:31
Speaker 8: one who carries the child in her womb.
32:33
Speaker 1: It's not meant that way by God.
32:35
Speaker 8: And if you try, you're going to end up with
32:37
Speaker 8: absurd situations like this.
32:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, and here's my whole deal. I understand when you
32:42
Speaker 1: pay someone for surrogacy and then, like so many before,
32:46
Speaker 1: the women get attached because they're the mother. Of course,
32:49
Speaker 1: then at the last second they say, you know what,
32:50
Speaker 1: I don't want to give it up, but they sign
32:52
Speaker 1: the contract and they do. I understand that you sign
32:55
Speaker 1: the document, you have to give the kiddo up. But
32:56
Speaker 1: here the parents literally had a clause in the contract
33:00
Speaker 1: and said, if there's a health problem, the birth defect,
33:02
Speaker 1: you will kill the baby. So they didn't even want
33:05
Speaker 1: the baby if it had a defect, and so the
33:08
Speaker 1: mom literally goes, Okay, well you don't want it, I'll
33:10
Speaker 1: go to Texas and have it and keep it. And
33:12
Speaker 1: now they're gonna sewer for it to get Gabriel back
33:15
Speaker 1: when they didn't even want Gabriel because he was going
33:18
Speaker 1: to have a heart defect, which, oh, by the way,
33:20
Speaker 1: they did the surgery this week right in Texas, and
33:22
Speaker 1: they say the kid's going to be good to go.
33:24
Speaker 1: So why did why would you put that clause in
33:27
Speaker 1: a contract anyway? Right again, I don't think these parents
33:30
Speaker 1: deserve to be parents my opinion, if you were willing
33:33
Speaker 1: to kill your child if he didn't come out perfect. Again,
33:37
Speaker 1: I make the souflet analogy. This isn't a soufle You
33:40
Speaker 1: don't keep going back to the kitchen and going, Okay,
33:42
Speaker 1: we got a birth defect with this woman and Gabriel
33:45
Speaker 1: kill it. Let's get a different surrogate, try another Oops,
33:47
Speaker 1: what if that one has one, are you just going
33:49
Speaker 1: to keep having abortions until you get the perfect kid
33:51
Speaker 1: with no defects? Right exactly?
33:54
Speaker 8: And you see that's the motive here, and we see
33:57
Speaker 8: it in scripture so many times.
33:58
Speaker 1: We want to be like God.
33:59
Speaker 8: We want to try to get perfection through our reproductive technologies.
34:04
Speaker 8: And it's like the moral and the hard coded human
34:07
Speaker 8: nature is saying stop. There's a point at which you
34:11
Speaker 8: have to stop. A child is a person equal to
34:14
Speaker 8: the parents, indignity, You can't make a child. A child
34:17
Speaker 8: is a gift, you know, I explain it this way, Dan,
34:20
Speaker 8: A child is a gift. That means the child can
34:23
Speaker 8: neither be discarded nor demanded.
34:26
Speaker 1: And we're falling into both extremes in our society today.
34:30
Speaker 1: We're discarding the babies through abortion, We're.
34:33
Speaker 8: Demanding them through things like IVF and surrogacy, or let's
34:37
Speaker 8: make the perfect child.
34:38
Speaker 1: You know, we have the genetic knowledge now to do so. No,
34:41
Speaker 1: the child is a gift and is a person, thank you.
34:44
Speaker 8: And unless till we get that right, we're gonna be
34:46
Speaker 8: stuck in these dilemmas.
34:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't gain a function. The Huhan lab we
34:49
Speaker 1: shouldn't be messing with God and science. Right, Look what
34:52
Speaker 1: happened there with the COVID pandemic. Maybe let's stop messing
34:55
Speaker 1: with what God has created. Father Frank is always God.
34:59
Speaker 1: Bless you. Appreciate you, Thank you, Dan, you too. Yep,
35:03
Speaker 1: take care. Straight ahead, we're gonna head back to the
35:05
Speaker 1: courtroom for the very latest in that triple murder trial
35:09
Speaker 1: for Lindsey Clancy. You know her, that's the mother accused
35:11
Speaker 1: of killing her own three children. More on that when
35:15
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36:00
Speaker 4: Very much.
36:01
Speaker 2: She's one, She loved her children, all of them, very
36:05
Speaker 2: very much.
36:06
Speaker 1: Welcome back, folks. You just heard from Susan Clancy. That's
36:09
Speaker 1: the former mother in law of Lindsay Clancy, also known
36:13
Speaker 1: as the woman on trial for killing her three children
36:16
Speaker 1: in January twenty twenty three. This is another case crippin
36:19
Speaker 1: the nation. The trial now and it's fourth week. There's
36:23
Speaker 1: also a great deal of speculation about why she murdered
36:26
Speaker 1: her kids and then tried to kill herself. But before
36:29
Speaker 1: we go into conspiracy theories, you know me, I like
36:32
Speaker 1: some facts first. The prosecution argues the murders were deliberate
36:37
Speaker 1: and planned. They rested their case on Monday of this week.
36:40
Speaker 1: Now the defense has turned to make their case, as
36:42
Speaker 1: you just saw Lindsay's from her mother in law, Susan
36:44
Speaker 1: testified just yesterday. She said that Lindsay had been begging
36:49
Speaker 1: for help for months leading up to the murders. She
36:52
Speaker 1: said that Lindsay was severely struggling. She sought medical attention.
36:58
Speaker 1: She worried about her dependency on several mind altering medications.
37:03
Speaker 1: Remember we filled GM They had her on like, I
37:05
Speaker 1: don't know what was the number, thirteen or more different medications.
37:07
Speaker 1: It was insane. Susan was also asked about steps Lindsay
37:11
Speaker 1: took to try and get better before she snapped.
37:15
Speaker 9: She could go to the Women in Infants program in
37:19
Speaker 9: Rhode Island that specializes in perry natal and post pattern Yes,
37:24
Speaker 9: you know that she went there, right. You know she
37:26
Speaker 9: was turned away because she was over medicated.
37:28
Speaker 1: Right.
37:29
Speaker 9: Yes, you also know that they gave her numbers to
37:31
Speaker 9: call suicide hotlines. Right. Yes, she called twice, not once,
37:36
Speaker 9: but twice, and again was turned away.
37:38
Speaker 1: Isn't that right? Yes, she was begging for help. Nobody
37:42
Speaker 1: would help her. All they wanted to do was filler
37:44
Speaker 1: full of drugs. Sound familiar. That's a problem we have today, folks.
37:49
Speaker 1: The clinical and forensic psychologists who treated her heard jurors
37:54
Speaker 1: heard from them in testimony about the psychologists who evaluated her.
37:58
Speaker 1: By the way, he got evaluated dozens and dozens of times.
38:03
Speaker 1: Now the name of the doc, Paul Zecil, never treated her.
38:07
Speaker 1: Said that she reported hearing a male voice though that
38:09
Speaker 1: commanded her to kill her kids and then kill herself.
38:14
Speaker 1: That testimony is a core part of the defense's claim
38:17
Speaker 1: that Clancy cannot be held criminally responsible due to postpartum psychosis.
38:23
Speaker 1: A lot of folks will just say temporarily insane, right,
38:27
Speaker 1: but this is a very rare condition. But It's a
38:30
Speaker 1: very real condition, folks, and it's not talked about enough.
38:35
Speaker 1: Now Clancy's family has raised over five hundred thousand dollars
38:38
Speaker 1: in a go Fundme account fund originally started by an
38:40
Speaker 1: influencer who had claimed that Clancy's totally innocent. Countless comments.
38:45
Speaker 1: They have been flooding the go fund Me, Paige and
38:47
Speaker 1: the cash still it's coming in now Again. I don't
38:52
Speaker 1: know if there's any truth to the conspiracy. People are
38:55
Speaker 1: saying maybe the husband did it and then tried to
38:57
Speaker 1: frame her. I think that's people trying to get clicks
39:01
Speaker 1: and downloads on social media, because I'm pretty sure all
39:05
Speaker 1: the forensic evidence talking to Lindsay, the family members, no
39:11
Speaker 1: one doubts that she did this. Joining me now with
39:14
Speaker 1: more insight into this case, she's a bored, certified forensic
39:17
Speaker 1: psychiatrist and an expert witness in trials like this. Doctor
39:20
Speaker 1: Carol Lieberman back on the program doc let me get
39:24
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory out of the way quick, because I
39:26
Speaker 1: feel like with Congress gone for the month, a lot
39:30
Speaker 1: of media has been focused more on this trial now
39:33
Speaker 1: instead of talking politics lately, and so of course then
39:36
Speaker 1: the people on social media come out of the woodworks
39:38
Speaker 1: and have all kinds of theories about what went down.
39:41
Speaker 1: You've been tracking the case, Is there any doubt in
39:44
Speaker 1: your mind with the evidence that's already been presented and
39:46
Speaker 1: even the way the defense is defending her. I don't
39:49
Speaker 1: think anybody has said she didn't do it, It's just why
39:52
Speaker 1: did she do it? Was she temporarily insane? Did she
39:55
Speaker 1: have this postpartum psychosis when she did it? Your expert opinion?
40:00
Speaker 10: Sure? Well, First of all, I absolutely think she has
40:03
Speaker 10: postpartum depression, post part of psychosis, I mean as well
40:06
Speaker 10: as depression. And although I don't think that the husband
40:10
Speaker 10: killed the kids and blamed it on her, I do
40:13
Speaker 10: think that there's a lot more there to the husband's story.
40:16
Speaker 10: I think we're going to be finding out more things
40:18
Speaker 10: about him that are rather shady. I mean, for one
40:21
Speaker 10: thing that isn't but we know already he didn't answer
40:24
Speaker 10: her cries, he didn't get her help, he didn't take
40:27
Speaker 10: her into the hospital enough.
40:28
Speaker 4: He eventually he took her.
40:29
Speaker 10: At one on one occasion, but you know, he should
40:33
Speaker 10: have made sure that they kept her in the hospital.
40:35
Speaker 10: And he was really blind to how deep, how much
40:39
Speaker 10: pain she was in, And you know, to.
40:41
Speaker 4: Speak to that.
40:42
Speaker 10: An interesting thought psychologically is so she heard this male voice,
40:47
Speaker 10: we know, telling her to kill the kids and to
40:50
Speaker 10: kill herself, because then the kids wouldn't be able to
40:53
Speaker 10: survive in a sense have a good life without her.
40:56
Speaker 10: But you know, you have to wonder psychologically and unconsciously
40:59
Speaker 10: and all that could could the male voice and I'm
41:01
Speaker 10: not saying literally, but could the male voice have been
41:05
Speaker 10: her husband's in her mind? Like could she have felt
41:07
Speaker 10: that he wanted her to get rid of her and
41:10
Speaker 10: the kids and she was hearing that? But what there
41:12
Speaker 10: is no question that she was hearing these voices. And interestingly,
41:17
Speaker 10: also there has been testimony now that she thought that
41:21
Speaker 10: people This is sort of related that she thought that
41:24
Speaker 10: other people were hearing her thoughts. Now that she wouldn't
41:28
Speaker 10: know this, but that is a definite sign of psychosis
41:31
Speaker 10: when you think other people are hearing your inner thoughts.
41:35
Speaker 10: So so, you know, I really don't think there's a
41:38
Speaker 10: question now to go back to the.
41:39
Speaker 1: Mother in law.
41:40
Speaker 10: Yes, one of the other one of the other ways
41:44
Speaker 10: that the prosecution, the prosecution has been horrible, really stooping
41:48
Speaker 10: to below what prosecution prosecutors usually do. So they asked
41:53
Speaker 10: the grandmother. I mean, I'm sorry the well, the grandmother, yes,
41:57
Speaker 10: the mother in law.
42:00
Speaker 1: Isn't.
42:01
Speaker 10: First she asked her about you're a Catholic, right and
42:03
Speaker 10: you go to church, and she said, well, isn't murder.
42:05
Speaker 10: The prosecutor said, isn't murder a mortal sin? And of course,
42:09
Speaker 10: you know, the defense objected, and the judge agreed, you know,
42:12
Speaker 10: with the objection. But I mean, that was really stooping
42:15
Speaker 10: low to to try to get the the the grandmother
42:19
Speaker 10: to say how horrible it was because it's a mortal sin.
42:22
Speaker 4: So that's that's one example.
42:25
Speaker 10: And today the latest thing is that the jurors have
42:30
Speaker 10: been dismissed today because there was a witness that was
42:35
Speaker 10: supposed to testify and the witness got dismissed. The judge
42:40
Speaker 10: dismissed her. It was a therapist who has a spot
42:45
Speaker 10: on TikTok, and she apparently was talking on TikTok about
42:51
Speaker 10: about she had worked at McLean and that was where
42:55
Speaker 10: Lindsay had been in one of her hospitalizations. And this woman,
43:00
Speaker 10: this TikTok woman had worked there for a long time
43:04
Speaker 10: and she wanted to say or she said on TikTok,
43:07
Speaker 10: and then the defense attorney saw her, was directed to
43:10
Speaker 10: her and had her come in that McLean is really bad,
43:15
Speaker 10: that the level of care at McLean is really bad,
43:19
Speaker 10: which we kind of saw by the psychiatrist who testified,
43:24
Speaker 10: you know, and she really she missed all the signs
43:28
Speaker 10: and she didn't keep her there.
43:29
Speaker 2: Well.
43:29
Speaker 1: I thought it was very telling too, Carol, that the
43:31
Speaker 1: one place she tried to go to they wouldn't take
43:33
Speaker 1: her because of the meds. And I just want to
43:36
Speaker 1: remind folks through the headline up real quick, Chris, that
43:39
Speaker 1: she was on thirteen different medications. There's a list of
43:42
Speaker 1: some of the heavy ones, kids. I mean, look at
43:45
Speaker 1: what the hell they had her on. Klonipin, Zoloft, valume. Okay,
43:50
Speaker 1: thirteen and by the way, one more headline and then Carol,
43:52
Speaker 1: amount of time. I'll give you a few seconds to
43:54
Speaker 1: chime in here. The antidepressant dose was increased the day
43:59
Speaker 1: before the I'm telling you, I'm a spiritual guy. Between
44:03
Speaker 1: the devil sitting on her shoulder talking in her ear
44:06
Speaker 1: and these drugs and the postpartum to me, that's what led,
44:10
Speaker 1: unfortunately to the death of these three little babies. I
44:12
Speaker 1: got ten seconds left, Doc, Yes.
44:14
Speaker 10: I absolutely agree with you, and hopefully this will be
44:16
Speaker 10: a message to all those psychiatrists out there who have
44:19
Speaker 10: become pill pushers instead of doing therapy.
44:21
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's a great way to end. Thank you.
44:25
Speaker 1: Stop pushing the drugs. Talk to people, find out what's
44:28
Speaker 1: wrong with them. By the way, if your family members
44:30
Speaker 1: listen to them, take them to church, talk to your
44:33
Speaker 1: pastor priest as well. Don't shun them away, and definitely
44:37
Speaker 1: don't pump them full of drugs all the time. Doctor
44:39
Speaker 1: care Lieberman, thank you, appreciate you. Up next, have you
44:43
Speaker 1: heard of these flock cameras that are popping up in
44:46
Speaker 1: cities all across the US that can read your license
44:49
Speaker 1: plate and then feed the info to local cops. Well,
44:52
Speaker 1: if you haven't, you better start paying attention. There's a
44:55
Speaker 1: lot of pros and cons with these cameras and we're
44:57
Speaker 1: going to dive into it next.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of debate right now about these license
46:42
Speaker 2: plate scanners that are going up across the country.
46:44
Speaker 4: They're called flop cameras. People are worried that the police
46:47
Speaker 4: might misuse them. Have you heard of them? What you're seeing, Well,
46:51
Speaker 4: it's being studied right now.
46:53
Speaker 9: You know you have pros and cons right, it's being
46:55
Speaker 9: studied right now. We'll have an answer sort of as
46:58
Speaker 9: to our views on it over then couple of weeks.
47:01
Speaker 1: Feel the same way, mister President, pros and cons to
47:03
Speaker 1: One of the biggest debates in the country right now
47:05
Speaker 1: are these flock cameras. The White House is exploring whether
47:09
Speaker 1: or not they're good or bad. Some people say they're great,
47:11
Speaker 1: some people say, hell no, they're unconstitutional. So what the
47:14
Speaker 1: heck is a flock camera. It's an automated license plate
47:18
Speaker 1: reader that uses AI to then log details about your
47:23
Speaker 1: cars you're driving by put it in a database, and
47:25
Speaker 1: then police can use it. And they're being installed in
47:29
Speaker 1: thousands of cities across our country. So here's what I
47:32
Speaker 1: know right now. They're being used by at least forty
47:36
Speaker 1: different states. How about that the firm behind them introducing
47:41
Speaker 1: this new security guardrails due to public backlash, is already
47:46
Speaker 1: in place. Why because there's been some abuses by law
47:49
Speaker 1: enforcement too. Now there's several new features, including one requiring
47:54
Speaker 1: unusual unusual search activities to be automatically reviewed and then
48:01
Speaker 1: somehow stop it from any further misuse. I don't know
48:04
Speaker 1: if AI is doing that or a human looks at
48:06
Speaker 1: it and says, oh, wait a minute, this police department's
48:08
Speaker 1: using it illegally. I don't know. Again, a lot of
48:10
Speaker 1: unanswered questions with these things, but they're literally popping up everywhere,
48:15
Speaker 1: and there's been some credible reports of abuse about the
48:19
Speaker 1: one in South Carolina where a police officer was fired
48:23
Speaker 1: earlier this month for reportedly using the flock camera system
48:27
Speaker 1: to spy on an ex boyfriend. Naughty, naughty officer, you
48:31
Speaker 1: can't do that. Meanwhile, in Louisiana, someone was fired from
48:35
Speaker 1: the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's office for using the system in
48:38
Speaker 1: a very similar way, tracking a former fiance. Again, you
48:42
Speaker 1: can't do that. This is supposed to be for crimes
48:45
Speaker 1: and criminals. Then there's cases of the cameras that are
48:50
Speaker 1: misguiding police officers to the wrong suspects. That's AI getting
48:55
Speaker 1: it wrong. There's a case in Colorado from last year,
48:58
Speaker 1: the town of Columbine Valley. They had to release a
49:01
Speaker 1: statement about it because of pressure from the media and
49:04
Speaker 1: the families. Again, AI doesn't always get it right. Cameras
49:09
Speaker 1: don't always get it right. Humans don't always get it right.
49:13
Speaker 1: So there's definitely some cons. I would assume there's some pros.
49:18
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find them. I guess if a real
49:20
Speaker 1: bad guy drives by one and you can get the
49:23
Speaker 1: plate and the AI gives it to a cop right away,
49:25
Speaker 1: and it's a rapist murderer that's fleeing and you can
49:28
Speaker 1: catch them faster, there's a pro of these cameras. But
49:31
Speaker 1: when you hear about they're getting the wrong info and
49:34
Speaker 1: arresting the wrong people, cops are using them to spy
49:38
Speaker 1: on X's things like that, I think there's more cons
49:42
Speaker 1: than pros joining us now to discuss all this about
49:46
Speaker 1: the flock cameras. He's a policy veteran at the Tennessee
49:48
Speaker 1: State Senate and the author of the book how Fitting
49:52
Speaker 1: Digital Bill of Rights. Yeah, I want to know mine
49:56
Speaker 1: in this new AI world. Trace wit them back on
50:00
Speaker 1: real America. Trace. I think I know where you stand.
50:04
Speaker 1: If I say pros and cons with these flock cameras,
50:07
Speaker 1: I'm a feeling you're going to say that all the
50:09
Speaker 1: cons outweigh the pros. Am I wrong?
50:12
Speaker 2: Well?
50:12
Speaker 6: I think you know we're here. We are talking about
50:14
Speaker 6: a lot of symptoms. And that's okay because it's a
50:17
Speaker 6: new technology and everybody is trying to figure out which
50:19
Speaker 6: way to get hold of this. Sure, let's be very clear.
50:22
Speaker 6: The idea of a digital bill of rights is to
50:24
Speaker 6: establish a digital personhood, giving people a legal standing in
50:28
Speaker 6: the digital world. You know, people just like when the
50:31
Speaker 6: digital or the Bill of Rights when Jefferson wrote it,
50:34
Speaker 6: it was an agrarian society. It was built on free labor,
50:37
Speaker 6: if you will. Well, it's my idea that it's kind
50:40
Speaker 6: of happening again in a sense in the digital world,
50:43
Speaker 6: except you don't exist. We have these conversations about name,
50:47
Speaker 6: image and likeness.
50:48
Speaker 1: For some of our.
50:48
Speaker 6: Favorite football stars, their image is protected, but what about yours?
50:53
Speaker 1: You know?
50:53
Speaker 6: Of course they want to make it about safety, and
50:55
Speaker 6: there's a lot of pros for safety. Again, but some
50:58
Speaker 6: of the cons are you know, what are they doing
51:01
Speaker 6: with all my data that I don't even know about?
51:03
Speaker 6: Are they actually selling and making money? So these private
51:06
Speaker 6: companies are getting government contracts, they're getting paid for that,
51:09
Speaker 6: and then they're collecting data on you without your consent,
51:11
Speaker 6: and they're selling that and making more money off you.
51:14
Speaker 6: Meanwhile you're being tracked and don't even know about it.
51:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that one case out of Colorado, and
51:19
Speaker 1: I think I saw a couple others at least two
51:21
Speaker 1: or three where they literally pulled people over, guns drawn,
51:24
Speaker 1: thinking they were a really bad guy and it was
51:27
Speaker 1: an innocent person because the camera got it wrong and
51:30
Speaker 1: fed information to local authorities. Hey, you know, you're looking
51:33
Speaker 1: for a blue Honda with the license plate that maybe
51:35
Speaker 1: ends in two to three. So somebody sees a blue Honda,
51:38
Speaker 1: they pull it over, gun's drawn. We think you're our
51:40
Speaker 1: bank robber. Oh no, it's a sweet mother of three
51:42
Speaker 1: that didn't do jack squat. So you've got those instances
51:44
Speaker 1: where AI screws up, and then I gave you two
51:48
Speaker 1: instances where the cops are misusing them to track people.
51:52
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be real human sin. I know AI
51:55
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to sin, but human sin. So I'm
51:57
Speaker 1: worried about humans misusing the flowed cameras and AI, which
52:01
Speaker 1: is not perfected, getting information wrong. So for me, I'm
52:04
Speaker 1: gonna know on these things right now.
52:06
Speaker 6: Trace the digital economy in my mind really started on
52:09
Speaker 6: September eleventh, as we talk about that anniversary, and what
52:12
Speaker 6: I mean by that is it opened up the Patriot Act,
52:16
Speaker 6: which was an argument about what was essential data collecting
52:19
Speaker 6: for security and law enforcement. But here it is again
52:22
Speaker 6: in the digital economy.
52:23
Speaker 1: See, we didn't know.
52:24
Speaker 6: I was a proud patriot, proud of the troops and
52:26
Speaker 6: America first, So you better believe any terrorist against America. Yeah,
52:31
Speaker 6: you can search me. I'm proud to volunteer if that's
52:34
Speaker 6: what it means. But actually what I found out was no,
52:37
Speaker 6: you just didn't tell me that we were building these
52:39
Speaker 6: AI models and you were going to use us to
52:43
Speaker 6: build the digital universe, a digital economy, a digital tracking.
52:48
Speaker 6: But you're selling it to us as safety. And like
52:50
Speaker 6: I said, there's a lot of cons there, not to
52:52
Speaker 6: be against police or not to be against safety. But
52:54
Speaker 6: you see how they're doing this. They're selling us a
52:57
Speaker 6: bag of goods. But it's not good.
52:59
Speaker 1: No Patriot Act, as we all thought twenty five years ago,
53:03
Speaker 1: coming up next month was a good thing, so we
53:05
Speaker 1: didn't get attacked ever again by radical terrorists. However, the
53:09
Speaker 1: government and the deep state has abused that and they're
53:12
Speaker 1: spying on Americans, and I call BS and these flock
53:15
Speaker 1: cameras seem like one more way that they could be
53:18
Speaker 1: abused where certain law enforcement agencies. Maybe your local cops
53:22
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it, but obviously if a local police department
53:25
Speaker 1: has access to flock cameras, we know that the CIA
53:28
Speaker 1: or NSAY or anybody else could tap in and get
53:30
Speaker 1: that same information and use it against American patriots. And
53:34
Speaker 1: that's another con to me. Trace, where do I find
53:37
Speaker 1: this book? You wrote, Digital Bill of Rights? I think
53:39
Speaker 1: I need to read it.
53:40
Speaker 6: You know the books on Amazon and the subtitle is
53:44
Speaker 6: a revolution for with the People two point one hundred. Look,
53:46
Speaker 6: I've been talking about the year twenty one hundred and
53:49
Speaker 6: what that looks like. We're building the society now I
53:51
Speaker 6: built this. It's AI literacy at its core. For someone
53:54
Speaker 6: who's going into the workforce or someone who might be
53:56
Speaker 6: older and has a choice either learn or AI may
53:58
Speaker 6: take your job.
54:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably gonna happen to me. You know, they're
54:04
Speaker 1: just gonna.
54:04
Speaker 6: Happen either of us.
54:05
Speaker 1: They're gonna have a hologram trace. That's right. A producer
54:08
Speaker 1: in the back is going to type the script from
54:10
Speaker 1: a field producer that went out and got the information.
54:13
Speaker 1: No reporter needed anymore, no anchor needed, and then a
54:15
Speaker 1: hologram Dan Ball is going to give you the news.
54:17
Speaker 1: That's ally and.
54:18
Speaker 6: Remember Dan, every time you like click scroll, it's digital labor.
54:21
Speaker 6: Don't let the corporations define it. We're doing it. We're
54:23
Speaker 6: we're identifying each other on social networks. That's digital labor.
54:26
Speaker 1: Ass Facebook. They're not paying you for it. Great point,
54:30
Speaker 1: Trace Widham, Thank you brother for opening our eyes. Appreciate you.
54:33
Speaker 1: Take care of yep and folks. That does it. For
54:35
Speaker 1: another edition, a Wednesday edition of Real America. If you
54:38
Speaker 1: want to get ahold of me, Chris give the information please,
54:40
Speaker 1: would you? It is Real America at oh waynn dot com.
54:44
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54:46
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54:49
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