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Customer Experience The Heart of Every Great Brand · The World Knowledge

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  Speaker 1: Well, good afternoon, listeners. Thank you for coming on Lament
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  Speaker 1: of Hope podcast. It's kind of crazy that we're already
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  Speaker 1: in April and just, yeah, already so many interviews done
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  Speaker 1: and just seeing, getting to hear so many different stories.
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  Speaker 1: And recently we've been kind of talking to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of different like survivalists and then talking to a dispatcher.
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  Speaker 1: So when you said... Because you're a woman, is it
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  Speaker 1: because they were afraid you wouldn't survive if you left
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  Speaker 1: and went to another country?
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  Speaker 2: No, I think it was like that women usually don't
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  Speaker 2: cover war in that time.
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  Speaker 1: Huh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: You know, because woman and war photographer, it doesn't go together.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like a woman photographer, I mean, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying this in the sense of if they want to,
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  Speaker 1: would capture such images of war that is what war
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  Speaker 1: leaves behind. You know, women, children, those are who war
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  Speaker 1: affects so deeply. And so I would think a woman
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  Speaker 1: would provide such an interesting view.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Of course, but when we look at
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  Speaker 2: the history in photography, you have just a few women.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say, for example, we have the Vietnam War and
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  Speaker 2: we had Lee Miller No, Lee Miller doesn't cover. She
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  Speaker 2: covered the Second War. But we've got, for example, Catherine Leroy.
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  Speaker 2: And we've got three other women who covered the Vietnam War.
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  Speaker 2: And their stories, they are, for me personally, the best
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  Speaker 2: picture from Vietnam War's was made by Catherine Leroy. And
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  Speaker 2: we don't remember about her because what we remember, probably
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  Speaker 2: we remember the picture, the photographs taken by men. Like,
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  Speaker 2: for example, we've got this naked map on there. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I had.
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  Speaker 3: This experience that if you wanted to cover or to
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  Speaker 3: really make this job, you, I mean, in the past,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how it is now in the presence,
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  Speaker 3: But still, I don't think so if there is a
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  Speaker 3: lot of women who are toward the.
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  Speaker 2: War.
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  Speaker 1: The napalm girl, because I remember, I think it was
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  Speaker 1: a year or two ago, I spoke and interviewed the
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  Speaker 1: napalm girl, who we consider, who we know as the
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  Speaker 1: napalm girl. And she was telling me about the trauma,
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  Speaker 1: the cheat experience that went lifelong for her from that experience.
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  Speaker 1: bombing and just the gas and everything. It was, it was,
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  Speaker 1: it was such a compelling, hard story that she was telling.
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  Speaker 1: And I was going to ask you, cause that I've,
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  Speaker 1: that picture you're right is very visceral. That's what we
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  Speaker 1: think about. I, as a photographer, if you're, if you're
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  Speaker 1: documenting war, do you think it's hard or right? Both?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, to take a picture of, of certain things?
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  Speaker 1: Like did, when you see that photo, do you think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is a very compelling picture of war? Or when
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  Speaker 1: you look at that photo, do you think, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: person is being violated in their pain, that we're getting
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  Speaker 1: this really visceral picture of someone running away in deep,
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  Speaker 1: deep distress and the photographer is taking the picture? Do
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  Speaker 1: you have, is there like that tension when you're a
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  Speaker 1: war photographer?