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Ancient Mysteries, Modern Embarrassment: Alien Romulus & Ancient Apocalypse · Multiple Nerdgasm

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  we're now back sorry we weren't here last week me and Dan were PS and yeah I
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  I was going to try and do something funny but I didn't yeah so as they know
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  they would know by now oh I've still got time technically I could slap something
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  together tomorrow oh yeah very quickly so I don't know you may see something
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  before this or next maybe probably not welcome to multiple
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  nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and
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  Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All
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  Things
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  nerdy but I thought I was doing so well but appears I finally I got the pack pox
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  I now not well incapacitated yeah like
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  the flu C kind of
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  boy just incubated for a week I think yeah not good cuz we're getting warm now
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  it's the worst have a sort of cold flu when it's hot yeah and it was one thing
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  I learned this week is that things are not taking as long to
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  incubate oh we get we'll get to that I can't wait to hear this I thought you
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  were going to be upset oh I am just not at what you thought I was going to
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  be I can't wait to find out then do you want to not wait we do that
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  jump straight into that you finally saw alien Romulus I did I watched alien
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  Romulus um I I don't know that I can talk about it without spoilers so this
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  will be yeah so we're going to talk alien romula spoilers yeah if you haven't seen
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  it and you want to skip ahead um I saw it I I did I I liked it it's not that I
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  didn't like it it's just that the more I thought about it afterwards I was like
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  hang on a minute and then there were the most horrifying scene m in the
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  whole movie and I don't know why they kept showing this was [ __ ] deep faky in
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  Holm on why did they do
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  that because they got in there I saw there
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  was an Android synthetic dead on the floor and I was like that kind of looks
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  like ash that's neat that's a neat little nod they'll probably just leave
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  that for the No No at one point he jumps up and I was like oh that looks pretty
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  cool was just a quick Flash and it was him mhm let's leave it at that nope well
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  that was sort of to me I know why they did they sort of showing that they were
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  just the Androids style that were
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  around they yeah they were mess made it
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  wasn't individual the I guess my problem with it was that the visual effect the
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  visual effects were very bad and I I feel like the movie would
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  have been improved by just not showing it as much I didn't mind it you could
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  have had him serve the same function and just pop on the radio every now and then
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  I knew it was it looked a bit weird but it didn't bother me that much I thought
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  it looked really weird but I was watching it in 4k yeah
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  maybe that maybe that might have been it I thought you would have been mad the
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  second they said xenomorph well that's interesting
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  because it's not the word xenomorph I object to it's the usage of the word and
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  it was used correctly in this movie he
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  says xenomorph X1 [ __ ] whatever designation it is m M and then from then
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  on he referred to it as the xenomorph meaning the alien yes like I have no
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  problem with that the problem I have is when people think the alien's name is
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  xenomorph a xen xenomorph xenomorph is a generic word yes yeah okay yeah no what
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  the said that Matt's not going to be happy no no I actually laughed when he
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  said it because I was like no no I'm actually fine with that that's that's
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  how it should be used in my opinion what did you think of it being the original alien
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  uh I was okay with all that I liked that uh I liked so things I liked I really
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  liked the addition of the Cocoon to the life cycle I thought that was really
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  cool um we haven't seen that before no it was it was appropriately vagina
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  looking um you know Giga would have been proud yeah we sort of see that now that
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  yeah just blasting them out in the space doesn't kill them no they can cocoon
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  themselves which makes sense they like they were in
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  harsh conditions on LV 426 already so
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  that makes sense um yeah I like that they were so they okay this is one
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  question I had right the opening of the movie we see them retrieve that alien
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  yep from the alien from Alien which I think people call Big Chad I learned
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  this week really that his name hang on big Chad
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  no not big Chad big something
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  else what the alien from Alien Gad big Chad what's his
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  name Z he's referred to as big chap how
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  the [ __ ] do I get big Chad big chat is not an official name for the xenomorph
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  drone it is a nickname used by the cast crew for the Drone during the filming of
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  the original movie but people kept using it online kept saying big Chap and I'm
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  like why are they calling it big chap is that did they say that in Romulus no no
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  yeah I'm surprised they didn't know that to be honest yeah that's the first time
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  I've ever heard of it and that's yeah surprising um so yeah we see them
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  retrieve big chap MH they take him presumably to the Renaissance station
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  which is Remis and Romulus which I loved by the way lay the station that was very
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  cool and it was a cool way to have a section that was a bit less [ __ ] up at
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  the start yes so you could then descend into madness later that was pretty good
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  um and then they cut open the Cocoon and then you it shows you that it's it's the
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  alien and you and it says alien and you go okay I'm watching alien yeah um but
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  then I was like where'd they get the face huggers
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  from and that bothered me for a long time because I think not because I
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  wasn't I wasn't paying attention but also because I just I don't like the
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  explanation so I think my brain just didn't get there I think the explanation
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  is um cuz Rook says they extracted a a
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  fluid from the alien which is the Prometheus goo yes that's the one part I
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  didn't like we're going back to Prometheus goo just so the explanation is that they
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  apparently apparently I learned this online apparently there's a book called
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  cold Forge which is an alien book recent fairly recent after Prometheus and in
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  that book they explain that when the face hugger implants you it's not a
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  embryo like we grew up we grew up with it being an embryo that's what I always
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  was that's that's how we they impregnate you no it's the goo they put in there oh
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  yeah and so that sucks apparently they got the goo and then
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  they 3D print the face huggers and that's why there's no eggs they 3D print
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  like with these space 3D printers that can print organic substances that's
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  where they came from I'm just going to skip over that part that's why I was
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  like oh I'm liking the movie less as I learn this because at first I was like
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  hang on where the [ __ ] did the face huggers come from and then I'm looking
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  and I'm like you know what yeah I don't want to know just enjoy the [ __ ] that
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  you like and it's it's taught me that I love Prometheus but apparently I don't
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  like it when it gets too close to alien I like I like them in their Corners kind
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  of thing like Prometheus should not be an alien movie that's that's the thing
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  everything I love about Prometheus is the alien as in the alien is irrelevant
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  yeah yeah so yeah so I didn't like that oh yeah and the thing I mentioned before is I've
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  don't like how the [ __ ] alien you get implanted I'm still going to say
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  impregnated with with the thing and then it just [ __ ] comes out 5 minutes
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  later that's not how it used to work no it used to take time and I also
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  understand in Alien the fact that it took a long time built a lot of dramatic
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  tension right and it surp so everyone could be surprised when it came out and
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  we all know what's going to happen now so it's actually not that interesting
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  for them to [ __ ] around for two days going everything's fine thank goodness
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  because we all why they just speed it up now cuz you know what's going to happen
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  the only way you could make it not satisfying to me though it's just
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  they've changed it I think the only way you could sort of really introduce that
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  now is if someone was to get impregnant off screen and so you don't know who and
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  it sort of happens yes that's the only way it would work these days well that's
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  in Alien Resurrection there's that guy that wakes up uh and
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  he's we know he's got one in there but I don't know that I think they do know but
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  it just takes a while for it to he's running around he makes it halfway
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  through the movie before something before it happens i' i' I've forgotten about that
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  movie this reminded me of it a bit the ending of this was very strange that
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  the ending was sort of very creepy it was very creepy I liked the creature but
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  I again I didn't like and I I know this happens in Alien 2 like how [ __ ] fast
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  did that thing get enormous yeah that was that was surprising
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  like I guess I that isn't that because I know in Alien it bursts out of cane it
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  runs off and then I don't we don't actually know how long later but all of
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  a sudden it's [ __ ] huge like all it's like big chap size so
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  yeah but this is like seconds it was 2 seconds it was a baby and it came and
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  then it crawled off and then all of a sudden it was [ __ ] huge 10 eating
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  anything yeah cuz the whole thing was meant to be that they the aliens of they
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  go out and then they start scourging for food and then they get bigger and they
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  still grow very fast but something had to be a catalyst for them to they can't
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  just grow without yeah yeah anything energy doesn't just get created it's
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  converted also I I don't like that this
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  makes me ask questions about aliens
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  because why is Burke not know like why do they not know about the alien in
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  Aliens like in Aliens they don't know that the alien is in the deric on the
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  other side of the planet after they find Ripley she tells them survey crew over
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  there like it's just so it's just weird to me that it's like how do they not
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  know that if they already know they already got big chap from the Nostromo
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  and they've got this space station they've been manufacturing them like how
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  do they not know about the alien at this point stop overthinking it I can't help
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  it I can't help it I'm an old man and I it's something it's a movie that is like
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  caught my identity in a way you know you know like can't help it I know but yet
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  you and I look at these conversations people talking online about stuff and
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  I'm like I don't know what you're talking about because it's not in Alien
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  aliens alien 3 or alien resurrection right and I don't like Alien
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  Resurrection there's a lot of books out there now yeah I know it's like with
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  Star Wars right you know I think we've talked about this before there's a
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  certain point where you got old enough that you were like no new information
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  thanks like yeah Alien 3 alien one two and three that's
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  my reference for this stuff the stuff after it I'm like not for me no we don't
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  need we're not a writer no and uh I'm yeah so anyway Romulus I I really
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  enjoyed the first half of it uh especially the stuff at the start on the
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  planet I was like oh this is great and like I liked Andy the yep but yeah
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  finding out like this universe is really messed up yeah yeah I liked all that
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  stuff it was only once they I guess once I realized the goo had to be involved
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  that's where I was like goo I don't care about the
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  goo I like the anti-grav scene that was good that was a I want to watch it again
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  now I might watch it this afternoon while I'm in bed it wasn't it yeah it
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  wasn't bad it's just that there was a lot of stuff that my my brain had to
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  like ignore that ignore that see the thing is good is I can actually just
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  ignore that stuff I can question it sometimes but I can also just go e it's
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  a movie that's I clearly did because people are like you know know he
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  explained where the face huggers came from the movie and and I was like my my
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  my brain protected me from that information as I was watching it
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  like my like it filtered it before it got to my Consciousness where it was
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  like that's going to annoy you ignore it and then it wasn't until afterwards
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  that I was like hang on a minute
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  anyway yeah anyway yeah I liked it mhm just it had some stuff that annoyed me
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  and the more I think about it the less sense it makes but yeah but if you don't
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  think that's all of those movies now so better than alien Covenant it's the
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  problem is you want to know more because you really enjoy it but the more you
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  know the more you dislike it yeah yeah I just I don't want to know what they're
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  telling me yes yeah the stuff that you make on your head that's great I liked
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  the alien when it was an alien from space can we go back to that please that's
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  what I that's what I liked it and the the company wanted it and they didn't
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  have it not that they not not whatever this is like it's confusing now well
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  it's the problem that it has turned into like a whole franchise and you got to
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  keep it going and try and tie it together and keep it and
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  yeah and I feel silly now for having liked Prometheus so much cuz it really
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  is that was the problem well AP was bad too but they like chopped off that off
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  and yeah yeah but Prometheus introduced black
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  goo I liked Prometheus just it should have been its own
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  thing and it's still if they didn't throw the alien at the end it still could have
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  been well and it wasn't it wasn't actually the alien at the end it was
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  kind of like something else so even then my brain was like no no it's okay mhm it
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  was in it was alien Covenant where I was
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  like no no no forget it I'm
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  done now you have been watching something else this week and I want to
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  talk to you about it cuz I'm scared okay I think you need an
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  intervention oh oh I know what this is you'll be watching anient Apocalypse
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  season 2 and I want to read something that was in the chat that's not all that
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  I've been watching this week I've been watching uh Graham Hancock on various
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  shows cuz he's promoting the new season stting to things and
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  it's the things that you don't to question like what like what what did I
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  question was the the fact that like humans have been around for so many
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  years but really civilizations only been around for 6,000 like what were we doing
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  the rest of the time mhm Yeah well yeah well electricity's only been around for
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  200 like there's a catalyst so things just go very quickly but there's periods of
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  nothing 300,000 years is a long time when when he like I said when he said it
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  I was like it's a good question like Why didn't it happen earlier and then I I
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  mean since then I look okay so what L's talking about is in an interview recently grahe
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  Hancock said he put up a chart and he said we know that modern man as in Homo
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  sapiens first showed up around 300,000 years
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  ago we also know you know they spread out everywhere yeah and then 6,000 years
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  ago is all the civilizations we know about around the world there like six or seven
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  major ones that we know about around the
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  same time they all began Y and that that
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  is interesting like in isolation that information is like oh yeah cuz then
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  he's like what were we doing before that why was it not more spread out why
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  didn't some develop it you know 100,000 years earlier what was the thing and
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  then and I was like yeah okay good question but then I looked into it yes
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  after I after I sent that message yes and the answer is well first of all the
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  shortly before 6,000 years ago like before that happened there was a [ __ ]
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  ice age and like the Earth was barely
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  inhabitable for long periods of time um and then apparently the answer according
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  to most scientists is population density mixed with changing climate scarcity of
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  food necessitated working together yeah to farm people found Agriculture and the
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  reason that everybody around the world did it is because they all had to
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  otherwise they would have [ __ ] died they just got to a point where the
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  population got so big you can't just Loop off Hunting and Gathering yeah and
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  I guess that makes sense too but also it was Atlantis Luke what if it was
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  Atlantis well where's all that stuff well I learned in ancient
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  apocalypse season 2 the answer is it's in South America
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  Luke what's it doing there well we don't we don't get that
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  far no so these are the thing I I still need to fact check a lot of this what
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  what I like about okay I'm I'm very interested in this
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  stuff and I like uh do you know you know Flint Dibble the guy who debated grahe
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  Hancock on Joe Rogan Flint Dibble is a really funny interesting
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  guy but he's very dry uh on his YouTube channel like for
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  me he's like like cuz it's he's he's an archaeologist and he's interested in
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  actual facts and stuff like that so when you watch him he's on a zoom call it's
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  like this he's just talking to some scientist and occasionally they'll pop a
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  slide up or anything and or something like that and he gives you
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  information grahe Hancock is on Netflix and when he shows up at [ __ ] chenita
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  or somewhere there's like [ __ ] music and the camera's spinning around and
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  he's standing there looking at carvings and stuff and he's like what if these
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  ancient civilizations knew about Venus and like and you're like yeah
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  that's I mean it's it's more convincing isn't
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  it it's scary that people think this is
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  true well he's he's walked it back he's walked it back a lot in this his main as
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  far as I can tell his main thesis in this is in a lot of the South
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  American cultures like for example the Inca built a lot of
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  stuff and their style allegedly I I haven't fact checked any of this stuff
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  allegedly their style of building was very like Square brick and blah blah
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  blah blah blah but a lot of their stuff is built on these megalithic structures
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  that are carved stone blocks similar to what we see in other civilizations
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  around the world and so his theory is they didn't make that they found that
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  and then they built on it so who did build it that's his theory not that just
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  at the time it's just the easiest stuff to do people just I mean it certainly
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  wasn't easy no like yeah there's no question of that and then and then like
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  he talks to these experts who I know he Cherry picks his experts but they say
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  yeah know we actually don't know how they did it look I can actually
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  understand CU When I was looking into Flat Earth even though I know it's not
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  true when you start just only hearing from that Community you start the
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  question like hold on yeah that's right that is a bit weird
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  and to be clear I'm not actually questioning I just I find the show very
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  entertaining he is very well spoken he's very interesting and it's very well done
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  it is it's dramatic and it's entertaining and I think I said in the
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  chat too I [ __ ] laugh out loud sometimes at the CU he's a he's an old
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  man yeah right and so they'll but they'll do these dramatic shots where
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  he's just kind of he's just kind of standing there looking like an old man
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  but the camera's like whipping around in like Matrix style in like like there's a
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  shot in this of these like Amazonian Warriors running through the jungle and then it like
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  slowly pans over and grahe Hancock's just standing there looking old in his
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  leather jacket and it's like maybe I should watch
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  it oh it's number four in TV shows world the moment yeah it doesn't surprise me
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  it's it's it's compelling television
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  even if it is [ __ ] yes okay but the
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  problem more the problem with it is there's
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  like I mean he's not basing it on nothing like these things that he's
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  showing you are real it's just his interpretation of them wildly differs
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  from everyone else yeah people have actually done a lot more research into
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  it so what I did with the first season I watched the first season I really liked
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  it and at the end of every episode I was like [ __ ] how do you explain that and
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  then I would go online and I would see oh archaeologists have made videos mhm
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  explaining the things that he and it's very easy to explain yeah so this just
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  came out so that hasn't happened yet yes but over the next few weeks I'm sure
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  someone will explain to me why the [ __ ] geoglyphs in the Amazon don't
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  indicate that there was Atlantis
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  there or whatever or why Easter Island isn't Atlantis or I don't think he never
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  he doesn't say Atlantis I'm I shouldn't yeah don't think he says at get very mad
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  if accusing he used to talk about Atlantis didn't he he used to talk about
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  a lot of stuff he's walked all that stuff right back and in his
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  defense he has and I think he knows that
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  was a bit silly like this whole
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  episodes maybe there's a there's at least one episode maybe more content
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  than that just about aasa in this he's very into psychedelics now and I was
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  like that explains a lot yeah that that does you'll take some look at
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  something go what if this cuz he was like why is it that um all these
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  civilizations around the world take these like psychedelics and they all
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  draw geometric shapes where did that come from and it's like well we have the same
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  brains it'd be weird if we didn't hallucinate the same [ __ ] like people
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  still taking them today like yeah why do yeah but like he's saying you know why
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  is it all these geometric shapes like cuz cuz we're all humans we take the
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  stuff and then that's what it does to us like makes it it's yeah like why do they
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  why if we all drink you know [ __ ] why we all eat [ __ ] why do we
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  all get sick that's a bit weird isn't it no it's not
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  weird but he says it in his voice and it makes it question yeah
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  yeah anyway good entertainment but I do I
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  I I've seen the argument that he I think people go too far with the weird
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  arguments he's been accused of like they've not calling him racist or
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  anything but they're saying the stuff he's talking about a lot of the sources
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  of of racist and it's like well I mean he's clearly not saying this
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  was like a white race of people that like he's saying from South America like
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  these are clearly not like yeah he's not claiming that this is you know white
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  people teaching the native but just it's not what he's saying at all but he's
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  also going like these people weren't smart enough to come up with themselves
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  and not even that he's just saying like now he saying I'm not I'm
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  not saying he hasn't said stuff before I'm sure he probably may have and I'm I
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  like I say he's walked a lot of stuff back all he's saying now is he thinks
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  the fact that there's so many similarities he thinks it's not enough
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  to say that we're all humans and we want
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  to do the same [ __ ] he thinks somebody
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  taught them how to do it because there was a civilization before all those
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  civilizations and then they put their own flare on it
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  yeah yeah cuz it's not exactly the same I think some of the accusations that
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  gets lab like I I think it's silly and it's probably not you know it's not true
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  most of it's not true some of it might be true could be yeah
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  but uh yeah I don't think calling him a racist or
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  anything sensible and I think that does more harm than good too because then he
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  can say oh they're just calling me a racist and it's like that's actually not
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  the issue the issue is that you're teaching people nonsense they're calling me racist try
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  and shut me down and get me cancelled yeah like it gives him
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  ammunition you just attack his arguments
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  well then he can't do that
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  sorry I'm fighting with a cat I see that what is the cat doing keeps pushing the
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  microphone and is now biting me ow
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  ow
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  stay cats stay don't they if you train
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  them I guess yeah this one's not trained H anyway ancient apocalypse season 2 oh
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  and ke Reeves is in it oh yes I remember that his involvement appears to well it
• 26:29
  doesn't I've watched the whole season his involvement literally is he and
• 26:34
  Graham stand somewhere mhm in a in a you know in a in a
• 26:40
  location uh and they talk and B got ke for a
• 26:45
  day if that yeah like an hour and it's
• 26:49
  just chat and then it's seem saying stuff like yeah I've always thought
• 26:54
  there was more to the story than we were told and then Graham's like M there is
• 26:58
  is and then it'll cut to something else and it's yeah okay I mean he got a
• 27:04
  paycheck is what I'm saying yeah I just still don't believe that he
• 27:10
  did it cuz I don't know that just sort of gives more ability which
• 27:16
  is that's what he's there for clearly like there is there is no reason
• 27:22
  for Kean Reeves to be in this other than to say Kean Reeves is in this so it must
• 27:27
  be true yep you like K
• 27:31
  Reeves there he is yep he's nodding gr Hancock's telling him this stuff nodding
• 27:37
  so it looks like he's agreeing and he'd
• 27:45
  know anyway that's what I've been doing this week oh I've been doing one other thing
• 27:51
  but what have you been doing I've been talking a lot no no I'm enjoying this
• 27:56
  I'm remember I'm dying sure but I feel horrible to packs we have to talk about
• 28:00
  packs I went to packs no I'm I've got stuff to talk about I'll be ready for
• 28:04
  next week but no packs was great um it was Dan first time at the Australian
• 28:07
  packs yes and you realiz we maybe we can wait till he's here to do a full deep
• 28:12
  yeah all right um it was his first again forgot to do panels again because I
• 28:17
  always get caught up oh yeah in tournaments and playing games and um
• 28:21
  there is a bit of controversy this year that I'll talk about this week is there
• 28:25
  someone got a lifetime ban from playing um tournaments at packs and maybe being
• 28:31
  banned from packs why cuz they were cheating at Ticket to Ride
• 28:37
  tournament is this we don't know this person we don't know this person okay
• 28:42
  good but yeah though they were caught and they would got a lifetime ban from
• 28:45
  playing tournament cuz they were yeah stealing cards and hiding them and lying
• 28:50
  about their tracks They completed and really and I think reason someone got
• 28:57
  caught not officially caught last year but they were questioned like keep an
• 29:01
  eye on this guy this this year someone was actually caught this year they
• 29:05
  actually had prizes for winning tournaments so like not just a ribbon or
• 29:09
  not just a you still got your medal but King of Tokyo he's a the monster boxer
• 29:14
  King of Tokyo oh okay like decent prizes so I don't know if that had something to
• 29:18
  do with it but people have been known to try and cheat in the past but yeah
• 29:23
  that's just a little bit of gos that happened on the last day is it you they
• 29:28
  it's not me okay just checking I would never cheat I've I'm happy with my
• 29:33
  record of losing most tournaments at packs did you win anything did you win
• 29:37
  any tournaments no I got to the final quite a few times oh yeah it actually
• 29:42
  was quite nice one the last final we're in um cuz I see meet these people there
• 29:48
  every year like don't know their names we just see each other we play
• 29:51
  tournaments we chat we catch up and then we w't sing in for another year they'd
• 29:55
  won a tournament the day before your name yes I'm terrible with names they
• 30:00
  won the day before they' won a tournament so got the prize so then I
• 30:05
  came second they went here you can have the King of Tokyo Monster Box I've got
• 30:09
  an expansion from King of Tokyo because they'd already won that copy so it was
• 30:12
  quite nice that like these people we just like hey we've already won so you
• 30:15
  can have this it wasn't our yeah yeah so that was quite a nice thing see we don't
• 30:20
  cheat we share the prizes right right but it's done for another year um we did
• 30:27
  go see panel which we weren't going to go see but we just ended up seeing it
• 30:31
  was quite interesting which we'll talk about next week okay but the thing I
• 30:34
  love is also seeing games change over time cuz a lot of
• 30:39
  Indie Games there and you'll see them come out they'll show it and then they
• 30:44
  disappear for a year come back to next year and the game is completely reworked
• 30:47
  and no that was nice to see so I'll have more to talk about next week with Dan
• 30:52
  he's here so he can talk for himself all right
• 30:58
  not Dan's not here by the way oh yeah in case you didn't notice
• 31:03
  yeah Luke cat is also filling is filling
• 31:07
  in the ro ro I can't talk yeah uh I played an indie game this week
• 31:13
  I played started and finished a game in less than a week wow it's a short game
• 31:20
  yeah but uh I played the excavation of
• 31:23
  Hobs Barrow this is an indie point and click Adventure game and it's excellent
• 31:30
  and I highly recommend if you like that kind of game uh you should check it out
• 31:35
  it's in the style of like the old uh I I think probably fate of Atlantis
• 31:40
  monkeyland 2 is probably the best equivalent kind of era of game
• 31:47
  um it doesn't have the ver it doesn't have the the you know the verbs and that
• 31:51
  down the bottom to click on you just click on things and interact but it's
• 31:54
  it's very good now that this is also one of the games we saw at PX that I think
• 31:57
  you quite like called The Drifter that's coming out next year much like this as
• 32:00
  well wait you saw that like just now at Pax yeah The
• 32:05
  Drifter did you talk to Dave from powerof no no oh okay you just saw it
• 32:11
  there just saw it every time I went there they were busy talking to other
• 32:15
  people oh okay yeah know I like those guys
• 32:20
  yeah that's what we'll be talking about next week but no so cuz yeah I'm just
• 32:25
  looking the um page on Steam and everything's very
• 32:31
  positive for uh excavation of H HS yeah
• 32:35
  y yeah it's great you play as a Thomasina she's like a archaeologist uh
• 32:42
  who gets a letter she's she's writing a book about all the barrows in uh in in
• 32:47
  in England it's ancient burial mounds in case you're not familiar um listeners
• 32:51
  and Luke and she's writing a book about ancient barrows and she gets a letter
• 32:55
  from someone called Leonard Scher who says there's a very interesting Barrow
• 33:00
  here in I forget the name of the town Hobs not Hobs it's called Hobs
• 33:05
  Barrow uh but uh come here and uh I'll show you this Barrow I think you'll find
• 33:11
  it very interesting so they agree to meet up she goes there and uh things
• 33:17
  happen things happen is it a long game guess not if you finished it I
• 33:23
  think it's probably just that that per nice can I see my play play time my play
• 33:28
  time would be like it's it's a it's a point click adventure game so it's not
• 33:33
  like you know there not lot of reloading or yeah you know anything like that so
• 33:40
  whatever my play time is I'm guessing is probably just probably it pretty
• 33:44
  standard and you don't want to with these types of games you don't want 10
• 33:48
  12h hour gameplay no it was nice like I said it was nice it was fun it was it
• 33:52
  didn't overstate to welcome I when it ended I was like that was very
• 33:55
  satisfying so let's see installed Hobs
• 34:01
  Barrow does it tell me my Play Time 10 hours 43 minutes
• 34:07
  oh it's longer than I thought but I'm actually no I'm more amazing you spent
• 34:10
  10 hours playing a game it was really really captivating like yeah it's it's a
• 34:16
  really good game good story like it's interesting it's a little bit little bit
• 34:21
  Supernatural at times I might have to give it a try then
• 34:26
  slow build of the mystery like as you go on things are a bit mysterious and you
• 34:29
  have to kind of figure out what the [ __ ] is going on and it's
• 34:33
  good that sometimes happens with those games mhm yeah what's going on I'm just
• 34:37
  going to try and use this on everyone see what happens yeah a little bit of
• 34:42
  that there some puzzles were I never had to look up the solution to a puzzle
• 34:46
  there was some that got me for a little bit and then I was like oh I know what
• 34:50
  to do yeah and then it always kind of seemed obvious afterwards but sometimes
• 34:56
  those games it's they can be a bit tricky like they want you do a very
• 35:00
  specific thing and in your head that doesn't make sense sometimes but I could
• 35:04
  just one puzzle where it's like that you need an item to complete the puzzle and
• 35:10
  it took me ages to even notice this item existed in the game that that was the
• 35:15
  that was the one that got me the most stuck but then once I found the thing I
• 35:19
  was like oh I know what to do I know exactly what to do yeah yeah
• 35:24
  okay right yeah recommend it it's not on Xbox so I can't play it
• 35:30
  unfortunately no it's not no it's on Mac PC that might be
• 35:36
  it a lot of them starting to see with these typ of games they're also going to
• 35:40
  um switch switch as well it might be on switch actually I have no idea hang on
• 35:47
  is it on switch Hobs Barrow Googling for those which I think
• 35:53
  that these types of games would be good on switch he on the switch that would
• 35:57
  have been good good I should have done that yeah I'm trying to think like these
• 35:59
  types of games are good on a handheld now I got to look at what other
• 36:06
  the publisher wget eye games publish some good [ __ ] all of
• 36:11
  these games are quite good PR Gemini R I've played all of them that's the
• 36:16
  problem unow I haven't played is that on switch it is maybe I'll play unavowed on
• 36:20
  the switch that's the only I haven't played yet anyway yeah it got me well see
• 36:26
  coincidentally it got me interested in you know I've always talked about making
• 36:30
  an adventure game yes and and uh The
• 36:34
  Drifter is made by poweroff who make Dave from poweroff makes power quest
• 36:40
  which is a Unity add-on for making point and click adventure games that I've been
• 36:44
  using and I've been watching all his tutorial videos so when you said you saw
• 36:47
  them there I was like oh y I know I know Dave y I mean I don't know him but I
• 36:52
  know I know I've watched hours and hours of him talking cuz yeah I was watching
• 36:57
  it it's like fully voiced this time so it's going to be quite interesting yeah
• 37:02
  yeah and the art is amazing yeah the trailer for it looks incredible yeah so
• 37:07
  next year yeah I've been following the dev diaries oh I'll play it if I hadn't
• 37:12
  known I would have made a bit more of an effort to force talking to them I didn't
• 37:16
  know they were going to be there but I guess I should have assumed because it's
• 37:18
  Australia it just didn't occur to me yeah like CU they're that's where they are Yep this
• 37:24
  is the sort of biggest thing for the Indie scene in you pack there you go
• 37:30
  next time let me know I will and I'll kidnap him all right you'd have to do
• 37:36
  that then he can't make more content for me to watch okay I watch a lot of
• 37:41
  Australian game development people actually we've got some really great
• 37:44
  people here it's just a shame that we don't they don't get us
• 37:48
  support think mostly Melbourne I think they yeah Melbourne's the place to do
• 37:53
  that Mel's the place Melbourne and New Zealand yeah right New Zealand's Got
• 37:57
  quite a New Zealand the other state of Australia yes but no um they're at packs
• 38:02
  every year and they've got they've got we just lost our New Zealand
• 38:05
  listener they've got one called I think it's published called code and they've
• 38:10
  got like a lot of lot devs Indie devs that they try and help bring games and
• 38:13
  they bring them to Australia to show off they've got quite a few really good ones as
• 38:17
  well that's fantastic mhm that's really bad Ki accent yeah I don't try and do
• 38:23
  accents I know except Scottish I can do Scottish but done at the
• 38:29
  moment I'm struggling to talk at the moment all right what do you what do you
• 38:34
  want me to talk about I want to talk about horse armor okay I can talk about horse armor
• 38:40
  what's going on with horse armor this is follow-up I suppose of a sort because we
• 38:45
  talked about I think we talked about this no we couldn't have I just realized
• 38:50
  2006 we hav started this yet we started this podcast in
• 38:55
  2011 yes like which is [ __ ] long time ago this is around Skyrims when we
• 39:00
  started this we we definitely talked about horse armmer on the podcast and
• 39:07
  cuz horse was really the first real DLC
• 39:11
  yeah yeah especially on a console
• 39:15
  uh and I purchased it so did I so when
• 39:20
  Oblivion came out on Xbox 360 the first like you said think probably potentially
• 39:26
  one of the first DLCs ever available was horse armor which cost what like $10 or
• 39:31
  something yeah it was a bit expensive for what it was and cuz it was literally just a
• 39:38
  cosmetic thing on the horse it didn't do anything yep and I actually remember I
• 39:42
  got it saw my horse on it rode around my horse died and I never knew how to get the armor
• 39:50
  back well apparently oh no okay $3 how much was it price isn't really the issue
• 39:56
  anyway so a former developer from Bethesda said and we didn't I guess we didn't
• 40:01
  really know this before despite all the really really
• 40:05
  really bad feedback and jokes and people saying what a [ __ ] ripoff and and all
• 40:10
  that they sold millions of them y I can believe
• 40:15
  that so that's why that's why that's what we get I guess because people keep buying
• 40:21
  it yeah like the best way to stop DLC if you're upset about it microtransaction
• 40:27
  don't buy it yep yeah that's but yeah like if you can
• 40:34
  just make this little thing horse armor sell it and sell it for
• 40:38
  millions and it it must have been just at the right price point yeah what was
• 40:45
  it I pay $3 cuz they're saying it's $250 on this
• 40:51
  website how much was the horse I'm thinking $495 oh
• 40:58
  no this would have been um back in the days of Microsoft points remember the
• 41:03
  store you didn't use cash I reckon would 400 points yeah you're right yeah
• 41:09
  apparently it was $250 yeah I'm happy those days are gone
• 41:15
  remember that when you if you want to buy like a game you had to use points
• 41:20
  and you could never buy just amount of points you wanted yeah yeah that's
• 41:24
  [ __ ] stupid uh Nintendo tries to get you to do that on the switch but with
• 41:28
  money cuz I'll say if you go to buy a game on the switch M digitally and the
• 41:34
  game is say $40 yeah they'll say do you want to just pay the $40 or do you want
• 41:39
  to pay the 50 and just get the 50 pay $50 credit and then use that and it's
• 41:43
  like well then I'll just have $10 yeah on there why would I want to do that cuz
• 41:48
  you might then spend it there or they yeah it just seems weird to me
• 41:54
  sometimes like I don't know why you would do that
• 41:59
  I can understand like having any options to put credit on like that makes total
• 42:04
  sense but like if you're already in the process of buying it like that seems a
• 42:07
  weird time give us 50 I guess maybe psychologically people
• 42:12
  do go oh yeah maybe I'll use that $10 for something so as as we just said like
• 42:18
  they're doing it because it's working yeah
• 42:23
  yeah um speaking of game money and whatnot I found this article very
• 42:29
  interesting i' like to talk about it we've talked before actually I think
• 42:35
  we've definitely talked about this at length and I think we had articles on
• 42:37
  the website about it just about um when multiple nasm wrote
• 42:41
  articles um the cost of piracy to game
• 42:46
  development companies and how we we don't obviously we don't dispute that
• 42:51
  there is some cost but also not everybody who Pirates a game would have
• 42:57
  purchased that game same with movies and CDs and stuff like that just because
• 43:01
  someone downloaded a game doesn't mean you would have got money yeah had they
• 43:06
  not and so I thought this was interesting because at
• 43:09
  first uh I thought they were just like trying to calculate the lost money based
• 43:16
  on downloads that's not what this is this study looked at there's this
• 43:21
  particular type of copy protection for video games made by denuvo yes yes I'm
• 43:27
  aware of it so what they did is they looked
• 43:32
  at in like like like data on when a game comes
• 43:38
  out how much how many copies does it sell mhm and then versus at what point
• 43:45
  does the crack for the copy protection come out yep and then they look at sales
• 43:51
  before the copy protection comes out sales after and in some cases sometimes
• 43:54
  it's like 12 weeks before the copy prote are they saying like is a trend cuz
• 43:59
  games will always sell most at the start and then start drop so when the crack
• 44:03
  comes out is there a big drop or is it just so there's like a chart here that
• 44:07
  says like um basically it looks like
• 44:12
  it's maybe 20% maybe it's about it looks like it's
• 44:17
  about 20% like on average like you look at this chart down the bottom comparison of
• 44:24
  weekly Revenue lost by week cracked and again this is very specula this is not
• 44:29
  def in any way but this is an interesting way of of doing it so if you
• 44:34
  look if on this chart if the crack came
• 44:39
  out the same day the game came out they
• 44:42
  can expect lose slightly over 20% yep because people just will not well not
• 44:49
  people 20 2% of people won't pay for it that
• 44:54
  would have and then the ch goes from
• 44:59
  there that's actually quite interesting yeah I think it's
• 45:04
  definitely more accurate used in Australia they used to come out P py
• 45:10
  very hard and movie industry was going like way losing all this money but then
• 45:14
  every year they go we've made record profits yeah yeah yeah like that doesn't
• 45:19
  work with um I know we've talked about this before too with DVDs and movie
• 45:24
  piracy and stuff like that they complain about movie
• 45:28
  piracy but they never the DVDs didn't exist when we were kids no movies are on
• 45:35
  VHS tapes and nobody bought movies on VHS tape well not nobody but like
• 45:40
  expensive most people did not buy movies on VHS tapes like this is a whole new
• 45:45
  Revenue stream you record movies off the television yeah exactly oh yeah so it's
• 45:51
  it always struck me as strange that like this thing didn't exist they
• 45:57
  DVDs came out they started making buckets of money CU everyone was just
• 46:00
  buying movies and and then some people started copying them and they were like
• 46:04
  oh we're losing all this you didn't have that money it's happening every time
• 46:08
  though like when the VHS came out and like you were able to record they went
• 46:12
  that's going to be the end of us when cassette tapes came out and you could
• 46:16
  hit record off the radio people said that's going to be the end of us like
• 46:19
  it's every single time something CED out and then they just go oh we're actually
• 46:24
  making more money now so we'll be quiet yeah and how much yeah how much of these
• 46:28
  [ __ ] movies not all
• 46:32
  movies but like
• 46:37
  yeah I thought this very interesting very clever way of getting actual yeah I
• 46:43
  actually quite like it like it shows that like yeah if crack comes out very
• 46:46
  early that's when they'll lose the money if they if that crack can
• 46:50
  stay hold off they cuz by the end looks like at the end of six weeks that's when
• 46:56
  sales are sort of dropping off and comes out there people are just yeah I'm just
• 46:59
  going to buy it they said interestingly it doesn't seem to
• 47:03
  matter what type of game it is the numbers are always pretty similar which
• 47:08
  I thought was very interesting like the percentages are quite similar like I
• 47:12
  know there are people out there who just will never ever buy a game like there
• 47:16
  are those people who are just yeah but you'll never get money
• 47:19
  from them so don't worry about it
• 47:22
  like yeah no that's yeah no that's I
• 47:27
  don't like the noo I think they yeah I don't like any of those
• 47:32
  things well I'm not endorsing them I'm just saying this was an interesting way
• 47:36
  of tracking it it's not that I don't like it's just like sometimes with this
• 47:40
  like anti-piracy stuff it can actually impact the game itself it's intrusive
• 47:45
  and yeah like well was one of the Assassin's Creed games the DRM servers
• 47:50
  [ __ ] up and you could play the game yeah like that stuff still happens all
• 47:53
  the time yeah but I do like now that they will actually get to a point point
• 47:57
  where they go eh we're just removing it now yeah they should well this study
• 48:02
  said um they could after 12 weeks do that and it would have negligible impact
• 48:09
  because after 12 weeks the sales like the the the effect is
• 48:14
  negligible yeah like after 12 weeks people wanted the game who were going to
• 48:18
  buy it they going to buy it everyone else after 12 weeks they're waiting for
• 48:21
  a sale that's right yeah after 12 weeks everybody who's
• 48:25
  going to buy it has bought it everyone's going to p has pirated it yeah don't
• 48:28
  worry about it too much after that yeah not everyone but like the majority
• 48:33
  of people we're not condoning piracy no not at
• 48:39
  all no but yeah 20% of the start's a big hit though yeah it
• 48:46
  is but again that still assumes those people
• 48:52
  would have bought bought it well well actually no because sorry that's not
• 48:57
  true because they were basing it on data
• 49:01
  yeah they those people in theory did buy games when there wasn't a crack yes
• 49:07
  that's how that's why this is different so I actually I should retract that yes
• 49:10
  that 20% might be legit yeah
• 49:15
  yep I remember cracking games back in the day I mean I didn't crack any games but
• 49:22
  I remember games being cracked cracked well it's when you're at a l and you
• 49:25
  wanted to play like I remember having to apply cracks to a game yes yeah well
• 49:31
  sometimes only cracks I would actually sort of use were the ones where I didn't
• 49:34
  have to put the disc in yeah oh I've done that plenty of times yeah like I've
• 49:37
  purchased a game I've installed it I just don't want to have to get the disc
• 49:40
  out yep yeah I have a lot of games installed and I like to flick between
• 49:44
  them like an idiot yes like basically we just what it is now with steam like you
• 49:49
  just flick through change whatever you want does think but back then we had to
• 49:53
  yeah work for that yeah well you kid easy these days speaking of steam got
• 50:00
  some followup we talked about the other week I'm pretty sure we talked about you
• 50:04
  and I talked about the um California law that says they'll have to say you're not
• 50:11
  buying the product you're buying a license this is unrelated to that I
• 50:15
  think uh it is timed to cons to fit with
• 50:19
  the new law but anyway steam now says when you buy a game on Steam it says a
• 50:26
  purchase of a digital product grants a license for the product on Steam click
• 50:31
  here for terms and conditions so they are telling you you're not buying the
• 50:37
  game product on Steam yeah but I don't is that
• 50:44
  actually enough for the law though because that just goes yes I've got a
• 50:47
  license I own a license to play that game whenever I
• 50:50
  want don't know the license shouldn't go away the license doesn't go away but
• 50:56
  license might go away that's in the terms and conditions you have to click
• 51:00
  that little link the steam subscriber agreement games could go away I've had
• 51:05
  stuff but I'm purchasing a license I'm not renting a license what's that I'm purchasing a
• 51:11
  license I'm not renting a license not if
• 51:15
  if a publisher removes a game from Steam yes you still Li
• 51:21
  isless they don't have a license so it doesn't mean anything it's worthless
• 51:25
  yeah that's what with that but although with this this may alleviate something
• 51:31
  I've always wondered like what happens if they come back yeah that's the thing I've always
• 51:37
  wondered like in like when MythBusters left like if that comes back in 2 years
• 51:42
  time the license I got does that still valid my instinct with
• 51:49
  steam is that they' give it back to you just because
• 51:53
  steam I I feel like whether I'm incorrect but I feel like they're kind of consumer
• 52:00
  friendly they've got enough money that it's not really going to yeah I maybe
• 52:04
  I'm maybe they've just managed to trick me into thinking that over many many
• 52:09
  years but I feel like they would give you the game back if they got it back
• 52:13
  how often do um games leave steam I I don't know if that ever
• 52:20
  happens I was saying as an example that's what's been happening on other
• 52:23
  things and I assume that's why they' had to put this text SE St leave like
• 52:29
  um even in the Microsoft store and stuff some like um The Telltale Games where
• 52:35
  there we don't have them anymore Gog is different uh in that you can
• 52:42
  download Standalone installers and that's yours you keep that continue to
• 52:47
  work forever but if you they may you may not be able to buy this download
• 52:53
  installer all the time though no no youed to download them and back them up
• 52:56
  back which I have done for most of my games on um Gog I have back up on my
• 53:03
  file server in the basement yes I have a file server in the basement oh no there
• 53:08
  there a whole Jen boss thinks that's very funny that I have a server in the
• 53:12
  house I was like well I have stuff I want to put on it yeah know there's a
• 53:18
  the start I'm just looking at there's a list of games that at risk of removal
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  from Steam yeah right Starship Troopers and
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  command
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  M that's weird license exp what happens then it goes away presumably it goes
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  away yeah yeah yeah I mean nothing I can do about it really I
• 53:42
  guess they don't have expiration so it looks like they purchased a license for
• 53:47
  Starship Troopers didn't have it for that long and now they can't sell the game
• 53:52
  anymore they can't sell it or they can't even let you play it well what I'm
• 53:56
  looking at I don't know for certain I'm just looking at the website and it's
• 53:59
  that games at risk of removal so I'm thinking they can't even support it
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  anymore it be removed from theore might just being removed from the store I
• 54:06
  don't know yeah I shouldn't have I just wonder about that is can they are they
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  just not allowed to sell it to people or do they actually have to remove it from
• 54:15
  people who already bought it like that happened on Kindle too and it was ironically
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  1984 then people were like oh it's a wellion it's it's not it's not
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  particularly relevant to what he was trying to say but it was ironic in a
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  sense I'm not actually going to follow this anymore cuz it's got games at risk
• 54:33
  of removal and it's got like the Lego Star Wars games and stuff and so this is
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  just someone's personal list wait what they had like the Lego
• 54:44
  Star Wars games and Cobra Kai and all this stuff so I think it's just someone
• 54:47
  just made a list of stuff that they think oh they think might be yeah
• 54:51
  removed okay maybe they are at risk Maybe
• 54:56
  well well even Yellen wake you can't buy the original version of that anymore no
• 55:01
  because of the music yeah bastards I think I still own the
• 55:06
  original copy somewhere but if I was to redownload it it would be upd music yeah
• 55:12
  disc somewhere on Xbox 360 yep it's down there somewhere in a a binder I'll put
• 55:18
  all my 360 discs in a binder when we moved that's a good way of doing
• 55:22
  it instead of Ling around all the cases yeah I've recycled
• 55:29
  them yeah all right tell me about your new sex
• 55:34
  stll well i' would love to it was very expensive uh as you all know I'm a fan
• 55:40
  of Boulders Gate 3
• 55:42
  mhm and uh I just I just there was I just really wanted to uh to buy an
• 55:49
  asarian sex doll for $20,000 yep don't blame you and now now
• 55:55
  I'm famous on the internet the one thing I just saw on there which
• 56:00
  I'm a bit amazed about when I saw like the link to this I'm thinking sex so I'm
• 56:04
  thinking yep it's going to be a female no it's a male sex doll yeah it's a
• 56:07
  staran yeah the the vampire sorry spoilers The Vampire you find out within
• 56:12
  the first 10 minutes the vampire elf
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  aaran uh yeah somebody bought it um and
• 56:23
  then apparently from the from the post they said they ordered it and when it
• 56:29
  arrived the company had made changes to the face so it didn't look like asarian
• 56:36
  anymore or something and then they said they can't complain despite that I
• 56:40
  really can't complain I think you can complain oh you can but there probably
• 56:44
  also a legal thing where we can't make an exact copy oh maybe this is the
• 56:49
  review this is an amazing doll very well made details are phenomenal I wasn't
• 56:53
  completely satisfied with the custom head sadly I gave them a 3D file and
• 56:57
  before printing the head they made quite a few changes I didn't ask for that
• 57:01
  threw his whole lookoff for me like that's not what you ordered then is it
• 57:07
  yeah so now I wonder if cuz I know with a lot
• 57:13
  of these sex dolls and things like that the first one is the expensive one and
• 57:16
  then when they resell it on they become cheaper as they go cuz they have to make
• 57:20
  like C remember we discussed on the podcast ages ago there was a someone got a custom foot
• 57:27
  made oh yeah okay and getting the custom bold getting that first one made was
• 57:32
  quite expensive but then when they're making more they could sell them at a
• 57:35
  cheaper one because you're not doing the whole creating from scratch
• 57:40
  thing okay so what you're saying is that I could get one of these for cheaper
• 57:44
  than 20 grand now yes cuz they've already got the mold there but you're
• 57:47
  going to have to live with the messed up face can I get it I think I prefer
• 57:53
  Shadow heart one just quietly I know that's not going to surprise
• 57:58
  literally anybody nope but uh well you got a spare 20,000 line
• 58:04
  around all right I'm going to regret
• 58:08
  this Shadow heart sex
• 58:14
  doll I'm sure there is one there has to
• 58:20
  be I mean it's not showing up oh so maybe you do have to pay that 20,00 to
• 58:26
  get the first one made I've on AliExpress I can get uh Shadow heart's
• 58:32
  underwear from the game um
• 58:38
  okay I mean I don't think I'd look very good in it
• 58:44
  but
• 58:49
  anyway well before I go off and die we should probably um look at ending this
• 58:55
  podcast and going off and doing the Afterparty what's the Afterparty Luke
• 59:00
  the Afterparty is where we're going to continue to talk for a little bit longer
• 59:03
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• 59:07
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• 59:11
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• 59:17
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• 59:23
  doek the week sorry for those who don't know is when a celebrity dies Luke
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• 59:31
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• 59:36
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