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Welcome Power of Recovery... · Billy & Lisa in the Morning: The After Show

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Speaker 1: Six. Okay, boys, are you ready to go or what?
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Speaker 1: Let's roll six seven? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Six.
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Speaker 1: Welcome my guys, Maddie and Damon the after.
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Speaker 3: Show podcast from Power of Recovery, of course, And the
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Speaker 3: reason they were saying six seven.
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Speaker 1: Is because can I tease the video?
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Speaker 3: Well if the phone number for Power of Recovery has
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Speaker 3: a six and a seven in it? Right, So they
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Speaker 3: did a little video there, you know, saying the number.
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Speaker 1: But with six seven, that was a good idea. Whose
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Speaker 1: idea was that?
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Speaker 4: I'll take credit? But I don't even know them.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: It's all Damon, right, what do they say? He's the
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Speaker 1: rain I mean, I mean it's tough man.
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Speaker 2: I count a lot of stuff. I'm good accounting.
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Speaker 1: You are good.
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Speaker 3: You're like a rain Man numbers guy. Yeah right, yeah. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: welcome in, guys. People are very excited to have you here.
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Speaker 3: We have some questions from our listeners for you, guys
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Speaker 3: and recovery related.
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Speaker 1: But I want to get to know what's up with you?
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Speaker 1: What's going on? Anything good? Anything new?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, talk about it, big guy. Let them know.
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Speaker 4: We just open up and adolescent mental health in Danvas.
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Speaker 4: It's called Power of Hope.
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Speaker 3: Oh, you're sticking with the power thing. Yeah, Now, whose
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Speaker 3: idea was that? Matt, Damon's that's the big guy.
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Speaker 2: I can't take any credit for that. I'll take that one.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: You have Power Recovery, which is obviously addiction.
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Speaker 3: Addiction treatment treatment, right, this is totally this is mental health, yes,
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Speaker 3: which is so like, whose idea was that?
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Speaker 1: Was it your idea? No?
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Speaker 4: One of our partners came to us and she's amazing
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Speaker 4: had this idea, and me and Damon had to know
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Speaker 4: how we put it all together. We have an unbelievable
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Speaker 4: team over there. Yeah, you know, it's just going great.
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Speaker 1: So it's open now, open now, Okay.
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Speaker 4: It's ten Elm Street.
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Speaker 1: Is there a website? How do we get people if
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Speaker 1: they need help?
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Speaker 2: It is Power of Hope m a dot com.
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Speaker 1: Okay, And so it's a person.
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Speaker 5: In it's an outpatient but it's in person and virtual
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Speaker 5: and it's like, like to be clear, it's strictly mental
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Speaker 5: health and it's also strictly for adolescents. So we we
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Speaker 5: focused a lot of energy on on our other stuff,
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Speaker 5: you know, dealing with adults, and understood there was there
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Speaker 5: was a you know, real need for kids that are
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Speaker 5: struggling with with different mental health, you know, between anxiety, stress,
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Speaker 5: eating disorders, any of that stuff, you know. And and
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Speaker 5: when I Patna came to us and and suggests this,
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Speaker 5: and and she has a quite a bit of a
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Speaker 5: background in the in the field with working with adolescents already,
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Speaker 5: you know, we were like, wow, what can we do.
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Speaker 2: To support this? How can we get this thing off
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Speaker 2: the ground?
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Speaker 1: I love it.
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Speaker 3: I love it, especially in today's world, you know, yet
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Speaker 3: with the youngsters, social media, the internet. Yeah, my son
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Speaker 3: he has some issues. You know, It's we're working on,
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Speaker 3: you know, on those issues with him. Same it's it's
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Speaker 3: really not easy.
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Speaker 1: So that's amazing, That's that's true.
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Speaker 2: Listen. I said to my wife too.
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Speaker 5: You know, I got four children myself, and and you know,
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Speaker 5: one of them's fourteen, And I was like, hey, we
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Speaker 5: have we can't even begin to imagine what it's like
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Speaker 5: for him compared.
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Speaker 2: To what it was like for us growing up. The
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Speaker 2: whole world is so different.
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Speaker 5: Everything so much closer with the social media and the internet,
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Speaker 5: Like you were talking about.
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Speaker 1: My kids only eight, he's already dealing with it.
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Speaker 3: He has kids Messenger, and he's already you know, dealing
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Speaker 3: with things like bullying and it's a whole thing. But
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Speaker 3: you know, I was in adolescent facilities as well, both
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Speaker 3: mental and drugs, you know, because of dual diagnosed.
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you a story real quick.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to go. We love these dude, this
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Speaker 2: is such a blessing.
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Speaker 3: I want to get your your input on this, on
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Speaker 3: whether or not you think this kind of treatment still exists.
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Speaker 1: This is a one true story.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: I was in a I guess I could just say
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Speaker 3: where it is. It's still there, legend McLain hospital. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 3: been there, Yeah, you've been there. Yeah. So they had
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Speaker 3: an adolescent program. It was my very first program. I
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Speaker 3: had just turned fourteen. I might have been thirteen, Okay,
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Speaker 3: So I was having obviously I was diagnosed with all
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Speaker 3: kinds of things by Paul and depression, I had drug issues.
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Speaker 1: So my parents put me in there. I had a
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Speaker 1: suicide attempt.
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Speaker 3: So I'm in this facility with these kids and it was.
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Speaker 1: A great program.
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Speaker 3: Right, We had groups all day, all this stuff, but
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Speaker 3: there was one group in particular that I'll never ever forget.
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Speaker 3: So I forget the name of the group, but basically,
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Speaker 3: on this one day, there was a kid there he
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Speaker 3: was sixteen years old, and he had been in and
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Speaker 3: out of there a couple of times. Now he was back,
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Speaker 3: and he used to travel with the Grateful Dead. It
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Speaker 3: was a Deadhead and so him and his best friend
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Speaker 3: would go around the country show to show and they
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Speaker 3: would hop get rides from other people, other deadheads. And
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Speaker 3: so what had happened semi recently was probably I would
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Speaker 3: guess maybe like within the last year. When he was there,
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Speaker 3: they left the show somewhere they tried to find a ride.
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Speaker 3: There was a van leaving, but they only had one seat.
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Speaker 3: So he said to his friend, you know. His friend said, no,
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Speaker 3: you take it. You know, you take it. So his
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Speaker 3: friend took the seat. I'll see, I'll get the next
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Speaker 3: rid I see in the next city. Well, during that ride,
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Speaker 3: the people in the van injected him with heroin, right,
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Speaker 3: he had never done heroin, but they were getting high
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Speaker 3: and they got him high and he overdosed and they
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Speaker 3: pulled over on the side of the road and he
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Speaker 3: threw his body on the side of the road and
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Speaker 3: left him to die. Okay, So that was very traumatic
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Speaker 3: for this kid. Okay, So now he's in McLean. So
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Speaker 3: in this group that we had, we had to reenact
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Speaker 3: the scene, oh, using us.
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Speaker 1: In the van.
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Speaker 3: I was the driver. I was the driver up the bus. Okay,
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Speaker 3: So they set up the chairs like a bus and
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Speaker 3: we had to pretend like we were so it was him,
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Speaker 3: and then another kid pretended to be his friend, and
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Speaker 3: we had to like reenact the scene like the kid
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Speaker 3: going out, not the actual injecting, but the kid going out,
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Speaker 3: and then he was a chance for him to say
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Speaker 3: goodbye to his friend. He's fucking screaming, Oh, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 3: I love you. Imagine I'm fucking thirteen years old, like traumatized.
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Speaker 2: I don't know much, but I'm not really sure they
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Speaker 2: do that.
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Speaker 1: I don't they do that anymore? Right, isn't that crazy?
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Speaker 2: I hope not.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go want a limb here and say that
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Speaker 3: they don't do that at power of hope.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna agree with you on that and say
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Speaker 5: we stare away from the trauma.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, try not to add to the trauma.
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Speaker 3: That's certainly not what it traumatized me. I'm still talking
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Speaker 3: about it years later. Yeah, and just a finale to
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Speaker 3: that years later, probably, I would say at least ten
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Speaker 3: years later. I got arrested and I went to Cambridge
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Speaker 3: jail and I got put in the holding cell there
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Speaker 3: and there was a kid in the corner on the
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Speaker 3: ground with his head down for like two hours run.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't say nothing to me. I thought he was
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Speaker 1: I don't know what he was doing, just his head down.
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Speaker 3: And finally he picks his head up and I look
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Speaker 3: at him and I'm like, you look familiar, and.
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Speaker 1: He's like, you look familiar. It was that kid.
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Speaker 3: No, yeah, I strung out to the girls had just
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Speaker 3: got arrested, So I don't know whatever happened to him.
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Speaker 3: But that's my adolescent story. Isn't that wild?
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Speaker 1: That's very wild, But at at the power of hope.
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Speaker 3: Right, what's a typical day look like for the kids?
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Speaker 3: It's groups therapy, right, yep.
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Speaker 2: Its place is beautiful.
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Speaker 1: The pictures look crazy, it is.
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Speaker 2: It's good.
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Speaker 4: And the people that are running the program hands down
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Speaker 4: best in the state.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, him and I are not qualified to work on
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Speaker 4: anybody's child, add as anybody. We put the right players
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Speaker 4: in the right positions.
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Speaker 1: That's what you want to do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.
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Speaker 5: There they're running the day like that, you know, if
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Speaker 5: it depends on on the needs of the child, how
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Speaker 5: each day goes and and and the programs always tailored
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Speaker 5: to fit the specific person. There's certain different groups that
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Speaker 5: go on that are regular things, but then there's also
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Speaker 5: you know, the individual therapy. We have you know, some
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Speaker 5: some different areas in the place for them to you know,
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Speaker 5: if they need kind of like a quiet room and
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Speaker 5: some one on one time with somebody, we have like
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Speaker 5: a whole sort of like zen room for the kids
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Speaker 5: for that. There's a like a kind of like a
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Speaker 5: games play area. There's an area where they can eat
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Speaker 5: and uh and a bunch of open door offices with
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Speaker 5: the clinicians and the staff that are available. And then
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Speaker 5: we have different times a day that they can come
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Speaker 5: in if you uh, some of the kids. And I
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Speaker 5: had no idea about this, but the way it works
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Speaker 5: in the state of Massachusetts, it's considered a full day
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Speaker 5: of school if you go in in the morning till
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Speaker 5: eleven thirty. So a lot of a lot of parents
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Speaker 5: that have their kids that are dealing with some of
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Speaker 5: these issues also want to help them maintain and not
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Speaker 5: fall behind in school, so they'll get them in school
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Speaker 5: in the morning and then they'll come over to us
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Speaker 5: from like twelve to five.
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Speaker 1: So they get in credit for a full day of
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Speaker 1: school and they get that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and some of the more severe cases, it's like
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Speaker 5: they need some time separated from the school, so they'll
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Speaker 5: come in first thing in the morning with us and
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Speaker 5: go nine to three or whatever. So it varies throughout
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Speaker 5: the day and then because of the different necessary treatments
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Speaker 5: for each individual, Like some of the stuff varies as
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Speaker 5: far as exactly what they each kid's doing during the day.
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Speaker 5: But you know, without without a doubt, through the day,
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Speaker 5: there's some groups that they have together and then some
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Speaker 5: individual treatment that they're all doing.
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Speaker 1: So to be clear, I like the snacks.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh hey, no, it's good for us too.
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you.
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Speaker 5: Up in that little neighborhood, few good places to eat
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Speaker 5: we found. So it's it's you know, him and I.
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Speaker 5: They don't let us.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: It's well, I was gonna say, to be clear, Okay,
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Speaker 3: if you are a heroin addict or a crackhead or whatever,
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Speaker 3: an alcoholic, anything like.
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Speaker 1: That, Maddie and damon, they'll speak to you on that.
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Speaker 5: We got all day long, right blindfolded, no problem, We
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Speaker 5: got you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But adolescents and things like mental health, like these are
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Speaker 3: the people people in place. Yeah so that's amazing, man,
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Speaker 3: you guys are doing it all.
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Speaker 4: We're trying. We're trying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, how's power of recovery doing amazing?
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Speaker 2: Dude, it is I'm telling you, owing up.
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Speaker 4: It's blown up. I can't believe it is where it is.
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Speaker 1: You ever think it would be this this big?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, I don't stop.
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Speaker 5: He's you can't like this isn't you know, a bad thing,
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Speaker 5: but he Did's just how the brains are built. Listen,
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Speaker 5: nothing we have, we have some stuff to go off of, right, Like,
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Speaker 5: we had experience in in uh sober housing before we
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Speaker 5: open up the treatment center, and you know, nothing for nothing.
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Speaker 5: We confidently sit here and tell you that we're best
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Speaker 5: in the business when it comes to that stuff. So
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Speaker 5: we had an idea that if we applied the same
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Speaker 5: principles that we did to the sober housing, which is
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Speaker 5: basically the simplest thing that we can say is is
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Speaker 5: it's it's the client first. It's the patient first. It's
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Speaker 5: the resident first, right Like, as long as we keep
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Speaker 5: that up front, we we've always felt like and then
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Speaker 5: the other big thing that him and I always know
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Speaker 5: is that we know what we don't know, and we
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Speaker 5: make sure we have the other people come in to
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Speaker 5: do those things that we don't know. And so with that, yeah,
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Speaker 5: we we kind of had an expectation that it would
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Speaker 5: it would get some way. We're super impressive where it
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Speaker 5: is now and I think it's still probably exceed some
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Speaker 5: of our expectations. But you know, we've always felt that
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Speaker 5: if we continue to put that kind of compassion first
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Speaker 5: above the bottom line, the bottom line always works out.
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Speaker 2: No big deal, that's it.
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Speaker 1: It's it's really just doing the right thing. And it's
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Speaker 1: a general way to live your life.
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Speaker 3: You want to try to live as honest as possible,
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Speaker 3: treat people the right way, and you're right, things always
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Speaker 3: work out. When you put things like money first, things
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Speaker 3: get a little bit tricky. And we've seen that a
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Speaker 3: lot in recovery. You know, you know, you guys working
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Speaker 3: so you know more than me, buddy, it's gross, you
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Speaker 3: know what I mean. But yeah, you guys are busy,
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Speaker 3: as busier than ever.
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Speaker 4: Well, got to keep this brain occupied somehow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we want to keep growing.
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Speaker 4: We're just getting started. But yeah, we're just getting started.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean honestly, like you said, it's for us.
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Speaker 5: Like people can look at however they want, but the
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Speaker 5: more that we do, the more that we know we're
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Speaker 5: helping people, which is really like it's it like it
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Speaker 5: for us. It's not even really work, dude. I know,
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Speaker 5: it's like where can we get stressed out and stuff?
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Speaker 5: But like we're literally doing exactly what we're supposed to
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Speaker 5: do in our personal lives in our professional lives, right,
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Speaker 5: so we can't miss. For us, we just can't miss, dude. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: Like not in some cocky way, but just in some
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Speaker 5: like for us, like we were every day on our
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Speaker 5: personal lives, we're answering the phone, and every day on
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Speaker 5: our professional lives we're answering the phone, and we're doing
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Speaker 5: the same thing, right, you know what I mean, it's
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Speaker 5: it's helping people.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, why stop?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when we're building good places? Why stop?
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Speaker 3: You guys are in the thick of it, and you know,
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Speaker 3: for me, I'm in the think of it too. Not
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Speaker 3: in the recovery as far as you guys go, but
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Speaker 3: just for you know, addiction and recovery in general. You know,
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Speaker 3: like one of my best friends relapsed recently, he's just
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Speaker 3: coming back here, has a month clean, okay know, and
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Speaker 3: you know he was back out there smoking crack. Everything
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Speaker 3: I was doing trying everything to get him back clean again,
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Speaker 3: you know, And now he's back again. He's at my
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Speaker 3: house every single night, and you know, just talking to
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Speaker 3: someone who's just coming off the street, like you just
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Speaker 3: put the crack pipe down.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: It's like such a remember when like where his mind
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Speaker 3: is at. It's insane, right, you.
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Speaker 5: Know, thinking just like in a snap of a finger,
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Speaker 5: just switches back to that crazy, crazy thing, that insane thinking.
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Speaker 2: I should say, then you get to wear.
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Speaker 4: Us three uh. And it has nothing to do with
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Speaker 4: the drugs and alcoholic's behaviors.
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Speaker 1: Well, then there's that.
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Speaker 2: That's the tough part.
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Speaker 4: Like I know, I can't drink, I can't do drugs.
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Speaker 4: I'll be homeless, I'll be dead. Yeah, but I can
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Speaker 4: run down and put a bet here. Yeah I can. Look,
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Speaker 4: I get the behaviors are so much hotter than Okay,
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Speaker 4: I pick up, I die. I know that. But I
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Speaker 4: can get away with this or or this or skate
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Speaker 4: on this so.
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Speaker 1: Hot and it's all things that make us feel better.
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Speaker 1: It's innocent gratification. That's what it is.
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Speaker 2: Change of feeling with.
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Speaker 1: That's all it is.
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Speaker 3: It never goes away, never like mine's it. And I'm
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Speaker 3: really into the workout things into peptides and biohacking and sauna.
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Speaker 3: I'm like obsessed with that. I mean, you heard it
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Speaker 3: today before we were recorded. You know, I have to
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Speaker 3: be at the gym at one o'clock. I mean, my friend,
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Speaker 3: I gotta be there no matter what.
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Speaker 1: You know. I mean, I have plenty of time.
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Speaker 5: But you were still rushing rself. That's that's the add
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Speaker 5: little guys. Guys, it's ten to fifteen.
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Speaker 2: We've got to get rolling here.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, me and Billy were in a deep conversation
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Speaker 4: justin just give.
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Speaker 1: It the no.
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Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I was a little annoyed
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Speaker 3: because I wanted Billy to come on. But I understand
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Speaker 3: why he didn't. It's his own whatever business. Yea, But
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Speaker 3: I think he would have been great.
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Speaker 2: You know, I agree, dude. I think we'll pull him
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Speaker 2: on the next one, the next one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's coming.
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Billy's sons are in recovery. He talked about that. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: you know Chris, you know Chris Costa. Do you know Chris? Oh, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: he's in with Tom Brady.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, I'm I'm just I'm a little a little
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Speaker 5: perturbed that he hasn't brought Tommy by the see the.
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Speaker 3: Way, well, he hasn't brought him for us. But Tom
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Speaker 3: Brady will be on the show next week.
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Speaker 2: Oh well yeah, not a person apparently, we won't be.
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Speaker 3: Uh listen any anytime we we work with Alex.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Alex is a what do you call it?
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Speaker 1: What is he?
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Speaker 5: He's a consultant consultant, So he's he's been, he's in
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Speaker 5: recovery personally, and I know he can share that. He
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Speaker 5: shares it all the time. And then he has, uh
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Speaker 5: he worked in the field with some companies, helped a
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Speaker 5: lot of.
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Speaker 2: Escalation and growth inside of companies. And now he's gone
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Speaker 2: out on his own and we are a very fortunate.
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Speaker 5: Byproduct of that because Billy introduced us to him, and
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Speaker 5: now he's he's got cost of growth and he's been
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Speaker 5: a phenomenal addition.
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Speaker 4: He's good at what he does.
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Speaker 1: He's not good.
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Speaker 2: He's unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: Dude.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird that Billy all three of his kids
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Speaker 3: look like male models. I'm telling you, the fucking genetics
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Speaker 3: on these cost of kids is unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: Even Dylan is youngest. Same thing.
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Speaker 3: It's freaking wild. So I do a couple of questions
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Speaker 3: here for you guys from our listeners. I did reach
15:00
Speaker 3: out on the talkbacks here. One girl reached out. She
15:05
Speaker 3: actually DMed me and then left me at talkback. So
15:08
Speaker 3: I'll play the talk back and then I'll read some
15:09
Speaker 3: of what her DM said.
15:10
Speaker 7: Hi, Justin, I messaged you on Instagram last night about
15:16
Speaker 7: me going back to rehab today. If you want to
15:21
Speaker 7: share that on the air, you can just please exclude
15:25
Speaker 7: my name and you feel free to do so.
15:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I have the DM he had for you
15:30
Speaker 1: for you guys.
15:31
Speaker 3: It says, Hey, guys, so I relapsed last year after
15:34
Speaker 3: four months sober, and I'm going back to rehab. Your
15:38
Speaker 3: kind words helped me help get me through the first time.
15:40
Speaker 3: I'm hoping maybe you have advice for me going into
15:43
Speaker 3: it this time. The first time was my choice and
15:45
Speaker 3: my decision, but this time it feels like it's.
15:48
Speaker 1: Being done for me by my family.
15:50
Speaker 3: I'm not healthy right now, extremely thin, so I do
15:53
Speaker 3: want to get better, but it wasn't my decision this time,
15:56
Speaker 3: and that's extra scary.
15:58
Speaker 1: I'm scared remember those days.
16:01
Speaker 2: Welcome. I don't envy that feeling at all.
16:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically, I mean I feel what she's saying here.
16:07
Speaker 3: Like the first time when she got sober, it was like,
16:09
Speaker 3: I need this, I want to do it for me.
16:11
Speaker 3: But it sounds like now she's doing it for her
16:13
Speaker 3: family maybe.
16:15
Speaker 5: Or maybe she's sort of had her hand forced a
16:17
Speaker 5: little bit and they're making her go. She might be
16:18
Speaker 5: a little dependent on her living circumstances and potential.
16:23
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know her whole background, but a lot.
16:25
Speaker 3: But that's okay. Get you through whatever gets you through there,
16:28
Speaker 3: That's what That's what I am. I want to tell
16:29
Speaker 3: her is whatever gets you in there. You're in the
16:32
Speaker 3: right place.
16:33
Speaker 4: You want to see us at our best an hour
16:36
Speaker 4: before somebody checks into detox, right. I will tell you.
16:39
Speaker 2: Anything to get you in that doing. I mean anything.
16:42
Speaker 5: You should have heard some of the stories, man, an
16:45
Speaker 5: you know, I'll buy you a car when you get out.
16:47
Speaker 2: Just get in there for the next week.
16:48
Speaker 4: I just get in the door.
16:50
Speaker 5: Well seriously, though, because you never know when it's going
16:52
Speaker 5: to click for somebody, right, and it can't click unless
16:55
Speaker 5: they're sober. It can't click unless they walk in the
16:58
Speaker 5: door there, and sometimes that's what it takes like. And
17:00
Speaker 5: we've had we've dealt with the other side of that
17:02
Speaker 5: coin a lot too, where families will reach out to us,
17:04
Speaker 5: hey what do I do with my loved one? What
17:06
Speaker 5: do I do with my loved one? And from our
17:07
Speaker 5: own personal experiences with our own families and stuff we've
17:10
Speaker 5: seen over the last you know, ten to twenty years,
17:15
Speaker 5: we just advise them like, you got to do that.
17:17
Speaker 5: You got to get them in, right, that's it you
17:18
Speaker 5: got to get And for her, she should be afraid, right,
17:21
Speaker 5: why wouldn't you be afraid? Like it makes it makes sense, right.
17:23
Speaker 5: I feel that people that go in, you know, over confident.
17:26
Speaker 5: I'm more scared for them, right, like oh I got this,
17:29
Speaker 5: or like no, I'm I'm still scared.
17:31
Speaker 1: It's almost like you get the thought, are they beaten enough?
17:34
Speaker 1: You know? It's too overly confident?
17:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I feel like I know, for myself, I
17:38
Speaker 3: was completely beat down, like the hands up whatever, you know.
17:42
Speaker 3: But how many times do people come into your facilities,
17:46
Speaker 3: right a power recovery or a sober house and they're
17:49
Speaker 3: not there for themselves right away?
17:51
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? They're being placed there or forced.
17:54
Speaker 4: All we're doing is praying for that moment of clarity yep,
17:57
Speaker 4: and then having them enjoy one week like one week
18:01
Speaker 4: with no change, and then you want more. You want more.
18:04
Speaker 4: You work, how to, you go to more meetings, you
18:07
Speaker 4: try and take care of your personal stuff, and then
18:09
Speaker 4: before you know it, you know, days turn into months,
18:12
Speaker 4: which turns in the years.
18:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
18:13
Speaker 5: You just I don't know if you remember the time
18:15
Speaker 5: of just being around at one point and like laughing
18:18
Speaker 5: right like and not having had a real laugh and
18:21
Speaker 5: however long and then you like it hits you like, wow,
18:25
Speaker 5: this is like I'm having a belly laugh here and
18:27
Speaker 5: I'm enjoying it and it feels good, yeah man. And
18:29
Speaker 5: then you know us, if it feels good, we want
18:32
Speaker 5: more and more.
18:32
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what.
18:33
Speaker 3: A big one for me was the realization that I
18:37
Speaker 3: was around people that did not want anything from me,
18:40
Speaker 3: and then also people that I actually liked. Ye See,
18:44
Speaker 3: I spent so much time with people where I was like,
18:47
Speaker 3: I say, it was using with.
18:48
Speaker 1: You, Maddie.
18:49
Speaker 3: I fucking hate this dude, but I have to because
18:53
Speaker 3: of you know, what I need or what he can
18:54
Speaker 3: get same, you know. And then The other thing is
18:57
Speaker 3: is being around people that legit only wanted my friendship.
19:01
Speaker 1: That's it.
19:02
Speaker 3: They didn't want any money, they didn't want nothing from me,
19:04
Speaker 3: didn't care fucking anything about me. They just wanted to
19:07
Speaker 3: spend time with me. That was so impactful to me.
19:10
Speaker 3: I was like, I want to be around these people
19:11
Speaker 3: more and more, you know. So to that listener, I
19:14
Speaker 3: hope hopefully she'll hear this before she goes in. If not,
19:17
Speaker 3: she can listen when she gets up there.
19:19
Speaker 2: Yeah.
19:19
Speaker 5: And on top of that, just staying stay in treatment,
19:22
Speaker 5: stay do the after care, like if you can go
19:26
Speaker 5: in the if you're in the detox portion, stay in
19:28
Speaker 5: the residential as long as you can, uh set up
19:31
Speaker 5: after care wherever. If you're coming back, if you're in
19:33
Speaker 5: this area, call us, we'll help you out. We don't
19:35
Speaker 5: care what you have for insurance. Just you know, give
19:37
Speaker 5: Power a call.
19:39
Speaker 1: The most important thing is.
19:42
Speaker 4: Don't pick up for the day and don't make any decisions.
19:45
Speaker 4: Let somebody who's been there before make the decisions. That's
19:48
Speaker 4: what we do best in Power.
19:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, we make.
19:51
Speaker 4: The decision for you, so it's done. We're never gonna
19:54
Speaker 4: stay you towards the direction where you're going to pick
19:57
Speaker 4: up or use, or hurt yourself or somebody else. But
20:00
Speaker 4: still after almost sixteen years, sometimes I can't make my
20:04
Speaker 4: own decision. I need to go and ask for advice,
20:08
Speaker 4: for help, Yeah, help help me. I can't. I'm I'm
20:11
Speaker 4: gonna mess this up.
20:12
Speaker 1: I'm going to mess that up.
20:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, now just walking through the door, like, let us
20:16
Speaker 4: make your decisions for you.
20:17
Speaker 3: Sometimes that a lot of times, these basic things we
20:20
Speaker 3: learn when we get cleaned can carry they carry throughout
20:23
Speaker 3: your whole recovery process. Let's say, back to the basics.
20:26
Speaker 3: You have that, back to the base. How many time
20:28
Speaker 3: you been back to the basics? Mad, I'm right now,
20:30
Speaker 3: back to the basis. See what I mean currently.
20:32
Speaker 2: In my life?
20:33
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
20:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I wake up, pray, talk to another addict. Yeah,
20:37
Speaker 4: I'll be at my step meeting tonight right now writing steps.
20:41
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll see Damon this week.
20:43
Speaker 1: Now you've been skipping Damon?
20:44
Speaker 2: Probably yeah, probably not tonight.
20:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always so we have.
20:48
Speaker 3: You know, we've blo onto a twelve step program and
20:50
Speaker 3: people are always like, you know, it's so hard to
20:52
Speaker 3: do the steps and do a fourth step and a
20:54
Speaker 3: fifth step and a sixth step. It's so hard and
20:56
Speaker 3: a men's and all that stuff. Try going through all
20:59
Speaker 3: twelve steps, come pleading them, and then they're like, well
21:01
Speaker 3: you have to start over again. That's where I'm at now.
21:04
Speaker 3: I'm on step two. Yeah, the second time around, and
21:06
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, but you got to do
21:08
Speaker 3: it because situations changing life. You can be applied to
21:11
Speaker 3: so many things besides just drugs.
21:13
Speaker 4: Want to blow your mind. Go back and read your
21:15
Speaker 4: old step two.
21:16
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh I should do that.
21:18
Speaker 4: You're not the same person. Fucking insane.
21:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, wan hair a good fourth step story. So my sponsor,
21:25
Speaker 3: My my sponsor had always shared when he when he
21:29
Speaker 3: you know, talk to me and openly, like at meetings
21:31
Speaker 3: or whatever, he would say when I did my fourth
21:33
Speaker 3: and fifth step. At the end of the fourth step,
21:36
Speaker 3: it says, is there anything else? Is there anything that
21:38
Speaker 3: you're not writing down out of fear? And he said,
21:41
Speaker 3: you know, there's one thing that I was not going
21:43
Speaker 3: to write down no matter what, and I left it off.
21:45
Speaker 3: He's like, And so then when I met when my
21:47
Speaker 3: sponsor went to whatever at the very end, he said
21:49
Speaker 3: to me, is there anything you left off? And he's like,
21:52
Speaker 3: I paused, thought about it, and I was like, and
21:55
Speaker 3: he goes, tell me, if you want to be free
21:58
Speaker 3: to tell me, And so he goes proceeded to share
22:00
Speaker 3: that one thing.
22:01
Speaker 1: I was never going to tell anybody.
22:03
Speaker 3: And then his sponsor said, all right, now, let me
22:05
Speaker 3: tell you a little bit about myself. And the same
22:08
Speaker 3: thing that had happened to him had happened to a sponsor.
22:10
Speaker 3: It was like a spiritual moment, right, yeah, fast forward,
22:13
Speaker 3: I do my full step, same thing. There was stuff
22:15
Speaker 3: that had happened in my life that I wasn't going
22:17
Speaker 3: to share and I left it off and then the
22:19
Speaker 3: same exact same thing happened, and he asked me, and
22:21
Speaker 3: I thought about it, and I'm like, I'm just going
22:23
Speaker 3: to share it. And I shared it and it was
22:26
Speaker 3: the same exact thing that happened to my sponsor and
22:29
Speaker 3: to his sponsor.
22:29
Speaker 1: Wow, isn't that crazy.
22:31
Speaker 2: That's just the journey man.
22:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's how the HYAPA was working our lives.
22:36
Speaker 1: It really is a one another question.
22:37
Speaker 6: Here, Hey, justin for tomorrow's after show. I was hoping
22:41
Speaker 6: you could ask Power of Recovery for any tips for
22:45
Speaker 6: family members when we just found out about an addiction
22:50
Speaker 6: and they went into recovery. But how can we best
22:53
Speaker 6: support them during this time? Thanks love you.
22:56
Speaker 1: Guys, Damon Maddie, Well, who's taking the cake on this one?
23:01
Speaker 2: The big guy over there.
23:02
Speaker 4: Game.
23:03
Speaker 5: So there's some general stuff obviously, and I think, uh,
23:08
Speaker 5: there's also personal stuff depending on the person in what
23:11
Speaker 5: the family has been through already. But generally speaking, I
23:14
Speaker 5: think it's super important to set your boundaries with a
23:17
Speaker 5: loved one who's in recovery, and you should base all
23:21
Speaker 5: of your support and what you're doing off of the
23:24
Speaker 5: first boundary I would suggest is that as long as
23:27
Speaker 5: they're in recovery and doing their doing their thing, as
23:30
Speaker 5: far as like, you know, whatever recovery looks.
23:31
Speaker 2: Like for them.
23:32
Speaker 5: For me, it means going to meet in stepwork, sponsor
23:35
Speaker 5: all that, all the all the stuff for me, because that's.
23:37
Speaker 2: The type of recovery that I do.
23:39
Speaker 5: But I would suggest that you know, uh, trying to
23:43
Speaker 5: get an understanding of the disease itself, UH is super helpful.
23:47
Speaker 5: It's if you if you don't know it, then if
23:49
Speaker 5: you've never experienced you don't you don't fully know it.
23:51
Speaker 5: But getting some information about that and just trying to
23:53
Speaker 5: be as compassionate as possible. We have conversations with families
23:57
Speaker 5: all the time surrounding that stuff and and learning or
24:00
Speaker 5: about what they go through is super important, and just
24:05
Speaker 5: you know, having an understanding of being able to support them.
24:07
Speaker 5: There's different other things that you deal with.
24:08
Speaker 2: With all that stuff.
24:09
Speaker 5: Some people need a little support financially and in other ways,
24:13
Speaker 5: and it can be difficult. Depends on what everyone's situation is.
24:15
Speaker 5: That's why it's all different for people. But you know,
24:19
Speaker 5: for the most part, I would say, set you boundaries
24:21
Speaker 5: as long as they're in recovery, learn more about the
24:24
Speaker 5: disease to see how you can continue to support them specifically.
24:28
Speaker 3: You know why it can be so hard for not
24:31
Speaker 3: just family members, but anybody that's not an addict or
24:34
Speaker 3: an alcoholic and doesn't struggle.
24:35
Speaker 1: With the disease. It's it's wrapping their head around why
24:39
Speaker 1: can't you just stop?
24:41
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't understand, Like if I don't want to
24:44
Speaker 3: do something, if something's hurt of me, I just don't
24:46
Speaker 3: do it.
24:46
Speaker 1: I don't understand why that's a big thing to understand.
24:49
Speaker 4: That's getting less and less because the world is more
24:53
Speaker 4: aware of a disease that's getting less and less. Like
24:56
Speaker 4: when we first came around there was a lot of
24:59
Speaker 4: people that will go just stop, just stop. Now, every
25:02
Speaker 4: household is touched with addiction, right, you can't get away
25:06
Speaker 4: from it. Everybody, some way, shape or form is touched
25:09
Speaker 4: by addiction. So there's a little more understanding to that
25:12
Speaker 4: why we just can't stop. It's a disease that talks
25:16
Speaker 4: to us in our own mind, and we we can't
25:19
Speaker 4: get rid of it. We arrest it for one day
25:21
Speaker 4: and it's stopped. It's like the freaking newspaper, and it's incurable, incurable.
25:25
Speaker 4: All we can do is arrest it.
25:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you're one of these people that says
25:28
Speaker 3: that doesn't believe that, like it's not a disease, you know,
25:31
Speaker 3: I don't believe any of that.
25:32
Speaker 1: It's that's ignorant. You're ignorant, simple as that, you're ignorant.
25:35
Speaker 4: That's it's literally as many sneak as you have.
25:37
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well not only that, right, but would you
25:40
Speaker 5: would you tell a person that has cancer to just
25:42
Speaker 5: stop having cancer?
25:43
Speaker 1: All right?
25:44
Speaker 5: And it's tough, but like that's about the best way
25:46
Speaker 5: you can try and sell the idea to somebody that
25:49
Speaker 5: has no idea, Like, no, I can't just say cancer
25:52
Speaker 5: go away, No, I can't. I like, the only problem,
25:55
Speaker 5: I think that not the only problem. What I would
25:57
Speaker 5: what I would say is is a little bit more
25:58
Speaker 5: relatable for people, is is that a it's self diagnosed.
26:01
Speaker 5: No matter how many times somebody else tells me I'm
26:03
Speaker 5: an alcoholic, car an addict, it's not until I recognize
26:06
Speaker 5: it and state that, and then it's self treated. So
26:11
Speaker 5: on that side of the coin, it's like the cancer
26:14
Speaker 5: pation not going to get chemo or whatever it is
26:16
Speaker 5: that they're doing for a treatment, and that pot is
26:18
Speaker 5: tough for a family member to watch. So but at
26:21
Speaker 5: the end of the day, it's a disease. It's it's real.
26:24
Speaker 5: It's it's depression, it's any other mental health issue that
26:27
Speaker 5: you know can go on inside of your head, and
26:30
Speaker 5: it's real.
26:31
Speaker 3: It's just really hard for family members too, especially with
26:35
Speaker 3: relapse and again.
26:37
Speaker 1: And again and again and again and again.
26:38
Speaker 3: You know, I think about my father, all the hell
26:40
Speaker 3: that I put him through, you know, all the money
26:42
Speaker 3: that I stole and all the lies and everything, and
26:44
Speaker 3: he tried so hard to get me clean, and it
26:46
Speaker 3: was like again and again and again. It's just like
26:49
Speaker 3: it's really traumatizing.
26:50
Speaker 4: We loved ones, right once they understand a little bit
26:53
Speaker 4: more that we're not bad people trying to be good
26:56
Speaker 4: with sick people trying to be well. And it's a
26:59
Speaker 4: long road for some of us. For me, I told
27:01
Speaker 4: you took me eleven years to get thirty days.
27:03
Speaker 3: Actually, I'm thinking about that with you, Maddy. I remember
27:06
Speaker 3: I've talked about this before. I remember when I first
27:08
Speaker 3: got clean, and your brother used to have a dinner
27:12
Speaker 3: every Wednesday night for all the guys in recovery.
27:15
Speaker 1: Anyone could go, and it was it was just because
27:17
Speaker 1: he was so.
27:17
Speaker 3: Thankful for the recovery and you know, meetings for giving
27:21
Speaker 3: him his brother back.
27:22
Speaker 4: That's how this whole thing stopped, literally by a dinner.
27:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I went once and then there was probably
27:28
Speaker 3: i would say twenty people there, and then it progressed on.
27:31
Speaker 3: I remember seeing pictures outside of the house eighty hundred guys, just.
27:36
Speaker 5: Guys, and just so you know, you know, shout out
27:40
Speaker 5: to Sneeze, to Steve Snuffy Powers. He's not one of us, right,
27:48
Speaker 5: And he had he he had a home with a
27:51
Speaker 5: wife and children, young kids like that were at the
27:54
Speaker 5: house and he would have all of us in his
27:56
Speaker 5: house and cooked in a pay for it out of
27:58
Speaker 5: his pocket. And again I'm talking he would they were knights.
28:01
Speaker 5: He was feeding eighty guys, so right, and and and
28:04
Speaker 5: having those all those people in the house and literally
28:06
Speaker 5: like the magic that startted everything that we do.
28:09
Speaker 2: Dude.
28:10
Speaker 5: It started the sober housing, which led to power recovery,
28:12
Speaker 5: which led to everything else.
28:13
Speaker 4: Man, right, just by dinner and we still me and
28:16
Speaker 4: Damon still have friends from that kitchen.
28:19
Speaker 2: Yep, still clean, still talk.
28:20
Speaker 4: About Wednesday nights, still doing it.
28:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so powerful, powerful, get it power. Yeah, whatever
28:28
Speaker 1: you did, see how that goes? Oh my god?
28:30
Speaker 3: All right, boys, I hate to cut you short, but
28:32
Speaker 3: you get to the gym, well, I got hold on.
28:35
Speaker 3: This is the sickness, right, It's not just about getting
28:38
Speaker 3: to the gym. It's that I got to have my
28:40
Speaker 3: pre workout meal and it's got to be timed so
28:43
Speaker 3: it's digested by the time I get to the gym.
28:45
Speaker 2: This is the insanity.
28:46
Speaker 4: Man.
28:47
Speaker 2: Okay, you look good though, so say what you want.
28:50
Speaker 1: People.
28:51
Speaker 4: I take Damon's crushing on you a little bit.
28:54
Speaker 3: Me and Damon go way back, way back, way back.
28:56
Speaker 3: All right, So power, power of hope. We talked about that.
29:00
Speaker 3: That's an adolescent mental health. What's the website.
29:02
Speaker 5: It's Power of Hope m A as in Massachusetts Power
29:06
Speaker 5: of Hope MA dot com.
29:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so for a lot of our listeners and
29:10
Speaker 3: a lot of us have small children and teenagers. If
29:13
Speaker 3: you ever run into a problem you need to seek help,
29:16
Speaker 3: go there see them. They will help you. Like they said,
29:18
Speaker 3: they have people there that are experts in this.
29:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, just check it out for my people that are
29:24
Speaker 1: like us.
29:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, man and struggling. If you're a loved one are struggling, damon,
29:28
Speaker 3: what can they do?
29:29
Speaker 2: They can?
29:30
Speaker 5: They can hit the website power Recovery dot org. Or
29:33
Speaker 5: more importantly, they can call eight five seven fifty six power.
29:37
Speaker 5: That's eight five seven five six seven six.
29:42
Speaker 1: Yeah when they say gemma, yeah, unbelievable.
29:47
Speaker 3: All right, well, thank you guys very much, and we'll talk.
29:49
Speaker 3: What are you gonna come back next month?
29:51
Speaker 5: Next month unless they call for a sooner, but other
29:54
Speaker 5: than that, we'll uh, doors.
29:56
Speaker 2: All just cancel.
29:56
Speaker 4: Tom Brady will be back.
29:58
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, don Tom's coming on something really cool.
30:00
Speaker 3: I can't even talk about it. Oh, Man's special for
30:04
Speaker 3: our listeners.
30:05
Speaker 2: Really yeah, he's amazing.
30:07
Speaker 1: I'll tell you off the.
30:07
Speaker 3: Because we haven't announced it yet, but it's really special,
30:10
Speaker 3: fantastic in the list of like importance for me, it's
30:14
Speaker 3: definitely like Tom Brady then Power Recovery.
30:17
Speaker 7: Yeah.
30:17
Speaker 5: Hey, honestly, I'm not sure you're going to hear an
30:20
Speaker 5: argument on any of us.
30:22
Speaker 1: Tom Brady also yeah, sorry, No.
30:25
Speaker 3: It's fine, and be a number two to tom Brady's
30:27
Speaker 3: not that bad, not at all.
30:28
Speaker 1: It's pretty good.
30:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, guys, thank you both, and after show
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Speaker 3: Army we'll talk tomorrow. Always leave us to talk back
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