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Gorgeous Mom Disappears En Route to Cabin... That No Longer Exists · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Once you look into this girl's eyes, you'll never forget her.
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  Speaker 1: Nefatari is her name, and the moment I saw her
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  Speaker 1: face and found out that she's missing, I can't get
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  Speaker 1: those eyes as penetrating.
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  Speaker 2: Eyes out of my mind.
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  Speaker 1: This twenty six year old beauty is the mother of
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  Speaker 1: two two little ones and seven months pregnant. Joining me
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  Speaker 1: today is her mother begging for your help and a
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  Speaker 1: very odd and bizarre twist and turn.
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  Speaker 2: Of a story.
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  Speaker 1: Also with me a critical witness, a critical witness, and
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  Speaker 1: the disappearance is Neftari because without this good Samaritan we
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  Speaker 1: would know nothing about her last known whereabouts. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us here at Foxination and Sirius XM one eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Who is Nefatari? And I love that name. I've never
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  Speaker 1: heard that name before. Nephatari?
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  Speaker 2: Who is she? Where is she? Why is she missing?
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends joining us from kp AX.
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  Speaker 4: Missoula police investigating the disappearance of a twenty six year
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  Speaker 4: old woman, Nefertari Bartel, was last seen in the Missoula
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  Speaker 4: area in the afternoon. MPD spokesperson Whitney Bennett tells MTN
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  Speaker 4: they continue to investigate the circumstances around her disappearance. When
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  Speaker 4: pressed for details about Bartel's last known location, Bennett said
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  Speaker 4: detectives are still investigating and will release information to the
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  Speaker 4: public when it's ready. If you've seen Bartel or have
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  Speaker 4: any information about this case, you are asked to contact MPD.
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  Speaker 1: Let's d scramble what we just heard you hear the
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  Speaker 1: reporter Jill Valley KPAX, saying that detectives will not release
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  Speaker 1: information about her last know whereabouts. That sounds mysterious, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not mysterious because they don't know and they don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say, aidy K, I don't know because their
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  Speaker 1: job is to know to come up with something.
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  Speaker 2: Not saying they're not working.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying it's not mysterious, like they know something they're
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  Speaker 1: not telling us about this girl.
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  Speaker 2: They truly don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, I want to give you a tip line right
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  Speaker 1: now for Nefatori four zero six five five to two
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  Speaker 1: sixty three hundred. For zero six five five to two
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  Speaker 1: sixty three hundred. That's a twenty four hour available line
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  Speaker 1: to get information about Nefatari.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, the investigation is on.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen now to Montana RightNow dot com.
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  Speaker 5: We're tacking a safe you lard at Missoula tonight. Or
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  Speaker 5: police are looking for a missing twenty six year old
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  Speaker 5: woman named Nefatterie Bartel. The Missoula Police Department reports that
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  Speaker 5: Bartel was reported missing yesterday and was last seen in
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  Speaker 5: the Missoula area on Monday afternoon. If anyone has seen
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  Speaker 5: or has information regarding her whereabouts, you're asked to contact
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  Speaker 5: the Missoula Police Department the number right their ter screen
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  Speaker 5: four zero six five five two six three zero.
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  Speaker 1: Zero bless him. He killed her name, but I can
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  Speaker 1: tell you this, it's Nefatori. And we hear that Missoula
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  Speaker 1: PD believes they have Anknown signing almost immediately after she
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  Speaker 1: goes missing, but then those hopes are dashed.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to our friend Gil Valley.
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  Speaker 4: In a news release today, Missoula Police say the previous
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  Speaker 4: report of Bartel last being seen was unsubstantiated. Bartel's mother
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  Speaker 4: tells Empty and News her daughter is seven months pregnant
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  Speaker 4: and has two sons. Anybody with any information is asked
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  Speaker 4: to contact Detective Jeff Lloyd the number four oh six
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  Speaker 4: five five two six two eight five.
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  Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with Missilla. It's in Montana and
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  Speaker 1: it's cold.
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  Speaker 2: It's really cold. It's snowing.
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  Speaker 1: This is a seven month pregnant lady lost just twenty
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  Speaker 1: six years old. There is still time to bring her
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  Speaker 1: home alive. Right now, I'm going to go straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Nefatari's mother, Charlene Bartel. Thank you, miss Bartell for
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  Speaker 1: being with us.
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  Speaker 6: You're welcome, and thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Miss Bartel. There's just something about her.
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  Speaker 1: In every picture I see of Nefatari, She's looking right
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  Speaker 1: at the camera and it's like her eyes are connecting
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  Speaker 1: with me every time I look at her. Now I
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  Speaker 1: know she's got the two little boys, Iden Caspian, but
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  Speaker 1: she was expecting what she.
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  Speaker 2: Believed to be a baby girl, the first girl. Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, miss Martel, When you learned there had been
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  Speaker 1: a siding of your daughter and then to discover that
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  Speaker 1: siding was false, what happened in your mind when you
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  Speaker 1: learned that siding was incorrect?
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  Speaker 6: Well, and it just wasn't that. I mean, there was
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  Speaker 6: different sidings, different areas that I was informed by Detective
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  Speaker 6: Jeff Lloyd, and it was just it was more confusing
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  Speaker 6: than anything. It's just like I couldn't get a straight answer.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm doing my own little private investigation on the
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  Speaker 6: bus schedules and so forth and so forth, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: it went from one person to picking up Nef to
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  Speaker 6: then Miranda picking up Nath and I could never get
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  Speaker 6: a straight answer. So it did more damage than anything.
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  Speaker 6: So it's really frustrating.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've got to agree with you on that.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go out to another special guest joining us,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Hatsel, President founder Peace River k nine Search and Rescue.
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  Speaker 1: You can find that at p R s a R
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  Speaker 1: Peace River Knine Search and Rescue pr SAR dot org. Mike,
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  Speaker 1: I have noticed this time and time again. I've been
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  Speaker 1: trying to solve on solved time of size and find
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  Speaker 1: missing people for a long time since I became a
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  Speaker 1: crime victim myself. And when the public heres, oh there's
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  Speaker 1: a signing, they're like, okay, well then I don't need
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  Speaker 1: to pay attention to that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: It's solved. It's over. They founder.
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  Speaker 1: So when you put it out there that there's a wrong,
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  Speaker 1: that there's a siding and there's not the mom, Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Bartel is correct, that's really a torpedo to the case.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely, you're going to lose volunteers, you're going to lose interest,
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  Speaker 7: a lot of things will shut down at that point
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  Speaker 7: there is an active search going because they figure that
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  Speaker 7: she's been found, if she spotted, she's alive and she's
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  Speaker 7: either left on her own accord, gone somewhere, or law
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  Speaker 7: enforcement has there and they're not saying anything yet. So
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  Speaker 7: that's usually what happens.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: There was just very recently the Atlanta shooting, a mass shooting,
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  Speaker 1: and we had to go immediately that evening to Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: night at our church. It was Taco Night and there
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  Speaker 1: was no way the twins we're gonna miss Taco Night
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  Speaker 1: at family night supper The first thing when I walked
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  Speaker 1: in was have they found the guy? Have they found
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  Speaker 1: the guy? Have they found the guy? And I was like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: but they're going to find him. The moment it hit
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  Speaker 1: the waves that he was found, everyone in that fellowship
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  Speaker 1: haul was like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they found him.
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  Speaker 1: See what I mean the chain reaction when you're now
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  Speaker 1: atari's been spotted, people's discount.
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  Speaker 2: They don't need to pay attention to it anymore. Phil Waters,
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  Speaker 2: who's joining me.
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  Speaker 1: Former homicide detective, Houston PD President CEO Kindred Spirits, Investigation
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  Speaker 1: and Security. Phil, thank you for being with us. Agree disagree?
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  Speaker 1: How much that hurt the investigation?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you what. Being on the other side
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  Speaker 8: of our discussion here, having been a detective, and of
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  Speaker 8: course in homicide, we would get the missing person cases
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  Speaker 8: that looked like there was a suspicious disappearance involved in it,
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  Speaker 8: possibly leading to a homicide. And I can just tell
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  Speaker 8: you that these are difficult cases to work. I think
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  Speaker 8: we can all agree on that, and when we have fightings.
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  Speaker 8: This is what happens when something like this is generated.
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  Speaker 8: You have people all over the country. I know in
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  Speaker 8: the cases that I've been invested that I have investigated.
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  Speaker 8: Do you get phone calls from from ten buck two?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, it is amazing, how because everybody wants to
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  Speaker 8: be the person who says I saw the person that's missing.
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  Speaker 1: And also there's an altruistic component to that. You want
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  Speaker 1: to help you think you saw the person.
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  Speaker 8: Right. They're not doing it to be to be mean
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  Speaker 8: spirited or to divert anything. They're doing it because they
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  Speaker 8: think they're they're providing some very good information. So it's
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  Speaker 8: it's all done with well intentions. The problem is, like
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  Speaker 8: Mike said it, it convolutes the entire investigation and people
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  Speaker 8: will go, yeah, you know, okay, well she's been cited,
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  Speaker 8: then she must be okay, and then they move on
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  Speaker 8: to the next one. So yeah, it's these are these
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  Speaker 8: are difficult cases to work. They become convoluted very very quickly,
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  Speaker 8: and you know, my heart goes out to the detectives
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  Speaker 8: that are working it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've got to say I agree with you, Phil
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  Speaker 1: Waters and that it's not intentional. The investigators are trying
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  Speaker 1: to push the case forward, trying to find Neffatari, and
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  Speaker 1: there's a sighting that put it out there turns out
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  Speaker 1: to be wrong, and it's a real torpedo to the
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  Speaker 1: case completely unintentionally.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when you don't know what.
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  Speaker 1: Has happened, you got to look back and determine who
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  Speaker 1: is your victim?
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  Speaker 2: Where can I find the victim?
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  Speaker 9: Right?
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  Speaker 2: If I couldn't find my son, I know exactly where
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  Speaker 2: I would go.
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  Speaker 1: The closest basketball court, the closest basketball.
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  Speaker 2: Hoop, whether it's on a court or not, I.
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  Speaker 1: Know where I would go if I couldn't find my daughter,
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  Speaker 1: out for a life long walk somewhere working out, I
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  Speaker 1: know where to look for them.
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  Speaker 1: What do we know about Nephertori. She's seven months pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: She's only going to be able to do so much.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online.
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  Speaker 10: Nefertari Bartell grew up in Missoula, Montana, in an area
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  Speaker 10: where there's always a lot to do, especially outdo our activities.
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  Speaker 10: Mom Charlene tells that her daughter enjoyed being outdoors, from
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  Speaker 10: river rafting, hiking in the mountains to fishing. Charlene Bartel
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  Speaker 10: says she taught her daughter Nephie, as she's known to
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  Speaker 10: her friends to drive a car in the mountains. Charlene
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  Speaker 10: Bartel says, once nephew Bartell had her own children, that
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  Speaker 10: was her priority. Nefatari Bartel has two so and a
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  Speaker 10: baby on the way. Bartel and her youngest son live
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  Speaker 10: in an apartment in Missoula. The older boy lives with
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  Speaker 10: his father. Mom, Charlene Bartel, lives about an hour away
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  Speaker 10: in cond of Montana. The two spoke regularly. In fact,
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  Speaker 10: Nefatari was planning to move in with her mother. Charlene
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  Speaker 10: Bartel says her daughter was excited about the change.
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  Speaker 1: So I can tell you from studying methods and assessment
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  Speaker 1: of homicides, suicide and disappearance, when a victim is looking
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  Speaker 1: forward to something, they're not going to just draw off
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  Speaker 1: the map. They're not going to commit suicide. They have
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  Speaker 1: a plan. And this is a mom who loves her children,
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  Speaker 1: who loves the outdoors, getting ready for a move back
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  Speaker 1: home to mom's place. So what more do we know
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  Speaker 1: other than she is a very caring mom and loves
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  Speaker 1: the great outdoors.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 10: In the late morning hours of February twenty first, Nefertari
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  Speaker 10: Bartel was walking her dog Novah. As the snow started
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  Speaker 10: to fall, a woman offered the twenty six year old ride.
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  Speaker 10: Bartel had an address of a cabin. The driver took
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  Speaker 10: Bartel to the area of Primrose Meadows up Goldcreek Road.
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  Speaker 10: Around three pm. The good Samaritan dropped Nefertari Bartel off
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  Speaker 10: at a mile marker just off Goldcreek Road, but the
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  Speaker 10: driver was concerned about a very pregnant Nefatari hiking her
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  Speaker 10: way up to the cabin. As soon as the driver
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  Speaker 10: got to the highway and had cell signal again, she
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  Speaker 10: called the Sheriff's department. She told police that she had
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  Speaker 10: a bad feeling and asked them to do a wellness
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  Speaker 10: check on Bartel.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now?
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  Speaker 1: Is that very very critical witness, the so called good samaritan.
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  Speaker 1: You know how often you pass people on the road
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh gosh, I feel so bad for them.
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  Speaker 1: This woman didn't just say, oh my stars, there's a
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  Speaker 1: really pregnant lady. I'm going to give her a ride.
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  Speaker 1: She stopped and she helped. She said, hey, hopping the
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  Speaker 1: car is cold out there?
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  Speaker 8: With me?
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  Speaker 1: Is Miranda the good Samaritan? Miranda, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. What happened, tell me everything.
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  Speaker 11: And that story is hard here because it wasn't just
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  Speaker 11: it wasn't just a little drizzle or a little bit
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  Speaker 11: of snow. We were experiencing kind of a sudden blizzard
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  Speaker 11: condition in that Missoula area that day and it had
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  Speaker 11: just began. So when I came out of Missoula and
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  Speaker 11: had spotted her, she was running against basically a blizzard,
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  Speaker 11: almost frantically, and I thought, oh my god, I can't,
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  Speaker 11: I can't, I can't, And so I pulled over immediately
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  Speaker 11: and said, get get in here and we'll figure out
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  Speaker 11: what she got going on. So I waited until she
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  Speaker 11: kind of thought out and was able to speak, and
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  Speaker 11: asked her where she wanted to go, and that's when
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  Speaker 11: she told me that she wanted to go to this
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  Speaker 11: Goldkirk cabin. And yeah, that's where the that's where it began.
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  Speaker 1: So so Gold Creek Cabin. Now, yeah, what was her demeanor?
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  Speaker 1: Was she happy?
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  Speaker 2: Sad?
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  Speaker 11: When I first picked her up, it was it was
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  Speaker 11: really kind of hard to gauge because there was the
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  Speaker 11: weather was really extreme and she had been running against it,
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  Speaker 11: and I don't know, it's like she she got caught
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  Speaker 11: in a storm and was trying to run her way
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  Speaker 11: through it, but was kind of running into it, and
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  Speaker 11: so she she really was just happy to be not
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  Speaker 11: along the road, kind of relieved, but she was. I
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  Speaker 11: don't know, she was clear, she was in her right mind.
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  Speaker 2: Did she have a dog with her?
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  Speaker 11: She did, yeah, And I'm super dog friendly, so I
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  Speaker 11: didn't I didn't care at all about having a dog
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  Speaker 11: in my vehicle. I know that some people on the
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  Speaker 11: Facebook Police Department have have been like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 11: she picked up her dog too. Yes, yes, I did,
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  Speaker 11: you know what.
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  Speaker 1: God bless you, lady, God bless you and your family.
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  Speaker 2: On top of that, hold on, let me let me
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  Speaker 2: think this through.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, everybody on the panel, this is not high
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  Speaker 1: to you at Windsor Castle with the new King jump
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  Speaker 1: in Miranda, the good Samaritan that picked up Nevatari, which
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  Speaker 1: I believe to be the last true non sighting, the
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  Speaker 1: last confirmed nome sighting, which is critical to the case
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  Speaker 1: to develop a timeline. So I'm glad you said she
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  Speaker 1: seemed clear headed because I know this and you're confirming
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  Speaker 1: this about Nefatari. She's not a big boozer, she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: do drugs, she's a loving mom, loves the outdoors, very
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  Speaker 1: close to her mother. She's not some drugged out prostitute
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  Speaker 1: on the side of the road. You can't tell what
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  Speaker 1: they're saying. You don't know where they're going. Are they
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  Speaker 1: talking out of their head? No? No, she was in
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  Speaker 1: her right mind. She was not under the influence of
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  Speaker 1: drug or alcohol and has no history of that. She
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  Speaker 1: got in the car, got warmed up and said she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to go to a cabin up on Old Creek Road.
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  Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 6: It is?
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  Speaker 11: And that's where my wheels got spinning pretty hard, because
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  Speaker 11: I've I am an avid hiker, and I have been
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  Speaker 11: up in that area several times. So I basically from
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  Speaker 11: the time I picked her up, it was I don't know,
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  Speaker 11: about six miles to where the turn off was, and
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  Speaker 11: we talked about it, you know, we talked pretty indepth
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  Speaker 11: about what the plans were.
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  Speaker 2: And what did she say.
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  Speaker 11: Well, she told me that she was going to go
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  Speaker 11: up there to meet a boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: So she was going to meet a boyfriend.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, and she never said a name. She just said
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  Speaker 11: a boyfriend and kept it real vague, Okay, And I
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  Speaker 11: questioned her for while. It turned out to be ten
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  Speaker 11: miles because once we turned up the road, I honestly
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  Speaker 11: thought it was going to end up being snowed in
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  Speaker 11: and I wasn't going to be able to get that far.
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: And it was kind of like, I'm going to show
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: you that this isn't a really good idea. And then
• 19:53
  Speaker 11: they were doing a logging unit up at the end
• 19:55
  Speaker 11: of that road, and so it was plowed all the
• 19:58
  Speaker 11: way up.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Were there people up there? Were there guys up there working, not.
• 20:01
  Speaker 11: Current, not at the time. There was one guy running
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: a snowplow because it was actively snowing.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: You said that there was active logging where any surveillance
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: camera's up there on the site, not.
• 20:10
  Speaker 11: That I know of. It's I know that it's a
• 20:13
  Speaker 11: BLM project, and I doubt I doubt.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: It BLM project.
• 20:18
  Speaker 11: What do you mean, Bureau of Land Management? So they
• 20:20
  Speaker 11: had just purchased this land from a timber company years
• 20:23
  Speaker 11: a few years back.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: But there was one guy out there working, you know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: So there was the snowplow operator, and I didn't see
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: anybody at the logging unit because it was up fast
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: where I had dropped her off.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: So you dropped her off, You're you have a four
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: wheel drive?
• 20:38
  Speaker 11: Yeah, And I didn't need it. I mean it would
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: hon to sleep out all the way up.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you need if you got further up, your
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: wheels would start spinning. So you dropped her off. How
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: far would she have had to walk to get to
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the cabin from where I.
• 20:51
  Speaker 11: Dropped her off? Only about a mile mile and a half.
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: And a lot of people ask me why I didn't
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: drop her off at the turn down below, and I thought,
• 20:59
  Speaker 11: because my night brain heard her say that she wanted
• 21:02
  Speaker 11: to get someplace that would have been eight and a
• 21:04
  Speaker 11: half miles in a blizzard, And I thought, you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 11: a mile and a half is a lot more doables.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Why can't they just be happy you gave the woman
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: a ride, instead of telling you what you did wrong.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, Okay, let's take what we know right now.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: So our good Samaritan Miranda drops Nefatari off. She only
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: got a mile left to go to go to this
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: cabin on Gold Creek Road. But then we find out
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: it no longer exists. Take a listen to our friend
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Dave Mack.
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: Detective Jeff Lloyd is able to verify that Nefatari Bartel
• 21:45
  Speaker 10: was walking her dog eastbound on Highway two hundred east
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: in East Missoula while it was knowing. The detective verifies
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: that a good samaritan offered Bartel a ride and that
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: Nefertari and her dog Nova accepted the ride. Bartel told
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: the driver she was headed to a cabin she found
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: on an online map in the area of Primrose Meadows
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: up Gold Creek Road. Bartel is dropped off and begins
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: hiking towards the cabin. Detective Lloyd notes that the cabin
• 22:10
  Speaker 10: Bartel found on the online map no longer exists. It
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: had been torn down prior to Nefatoria Bartel ever making
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: it her destination.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I mean about it getting more and
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: more bizarre. Joined me right now, Crimeloline dot com investigative
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: reporter Nicole part Nicole, thank you for being with us.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: So I understand the cabin to which she was headed.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: With her dog.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: It shows up on Google Map or ways or whatever
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: she was using, but it doesn't exist anymore.
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: That's right. So it's believed that she had googled this,
• 22:49
  Speaker 12: that she had done some research online to find this cabin,
• 22:51
  Speaker 12: but in fact, the cabin hasn't been there for a
• 22:55
  Speaker 12: year or so. So She's basically walking into the middle
• 22:58
  Speaker 12: of nothing, out in this horrible weather, thinking that she's
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: eventually going to reach a cabin. But that cabin is
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: not there.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So what do we know about why she headed to
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: this cabin she thinks is there. We know she was
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: on foot, We know she took her dog with her.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: We know that she got a ride last scene heading
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: up the hill to get to the cabin. We know
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: that when she gets there, there is no cabin. Take
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: a listen now to our cutbee brother, Katie Langston.
• 23:39
  Speaker 13: She had received a call from a private number at
• 23:42
  Speaker 13: ten seventeen am that day. She left her wallet, keys, phone,
• 23:47
  Speaker 13: and broken Apple watch on the floor. She had grabbed
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: her dog and left, leaving her front door unlocked.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, so she takes her dog and leaves. She leaves
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: her wallet, keys, and phone behind. To Charlene Bartel, this
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: is Nefatori's mom who leaves their phone behind.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the whole the whole thing just really gets me.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: It's not like my daughter to do any of that,
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: especially when she was planning on moving up here. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: that phone call is like, key, it was a private
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: it was from a private number. So Detective Lloyd said,
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: that they weren't able to trace it because of that.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: But I believe that phone call is also key to this,
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: because she was so paranoid about a couple people that
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: even when I went to go visit her, she would
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: lock the door while we were inside. So when all this,
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: it just doesn't make sense.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Could you say that again, miss Bartel, about her door
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: being unlocked?
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, she doesn't leave her door unlocked. She was so
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: paranoid about a couple people that even when I went
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: to go visitor, even being inside, she will lock her door.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: So for her door to be unlocked is just it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: that's a no, no, that's not her at all. It's
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: just so a way out of her characters.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: So I'm hearing a lot of things out of the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: ordinary joining me right now. Renowned psychologists joining us out
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: of Manhattan. Karen is Stark. You can find her at
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with the Sea right there
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: at Karen Stark. Out of character. If somebody told you, oh, yeah,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Nancy wanted some me time and went away for the weekend,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: is some fancy resort where you sit in those mud
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: baths and they put the hot rocks on your back
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and the cupping. Like Gwyneth Paltrow, you would know, oh yeah,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that didn't happen.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: She's dead, right.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: So when I hear things out of character like her
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: mom is telling us, you think i'd leave home and
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: not lock the door? O h E double l n oh,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: because my children are gonna be coming back in that door,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to save as possible, She says, her
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: daughter Invati would never have done that.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I don't like it.
• 26:09
  Speaker 14: It's also think about it, Nancy. How many people leave
• 26:13
  Speaker 14: home without their perse? How many women don't take their
• 26:17
  Speaker 14: handbags and they don't take their boom.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Well, wait a minute, I never carry a handbag or
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: a pocketbook. Whatever I need to carry, I can stick
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: in my bra all right.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: That's just a leftover habit.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: From tramping through high crime areas as a prosecutor.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I want my hands free.
• 26:33
  Speaker 12: That's the possibility.
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: What's the possibility that that stage. I'm concerned about the
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: broken apple watch.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Who's talking? Is this feel or Mike?
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: This is Mike talking.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead, Mike.
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: I'm concerned about the broken watch, and i'd really like
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: to know our goods American if she noticed whether an
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: Effortia was wearing that watch when she picked her up.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Hey, Miranda, did you notice if she was carrying anything
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: at all?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Just the dog?
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: So she did not have a purse. I couldn't tell
• 27:00
  Speaker 11: if she had a watch on, just because she had
• 27:02
  Speaker 11: you know, a jacket, you know, clothes, winter clothes. But
• 27:06
  Speaker 11: she did have a phone, and we tried to look
• 27:10
  Speaker 11: up that cabin on her phone and there wasn't a reception.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: She did have a phone. She had a cell phone.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Is okay?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Whoa I'm glad you said that. Mike hat Sel, what
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: about it? Charlene Bartell, this is Nefertori's mom. Are you
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: sure a phone was found at her place?
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Matter of fact, there was a woman and a guy
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: that went into my daughter's apartment after Neph went missing
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: and stole my daughter's phone and her keys.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: And so did you ever get it back?
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: The detective Lloyd has it, so you did.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Get it back. Did she have two phones?
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: Not that I was aware of. So when Miranda told
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: me that, then I immediately went I hadn't called Detective
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: Lloyd and informed him of that.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Look, having two phones is not that unusual. For years,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I kept a work phone and a private phone, you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: just my habit. Years, like twelve years, I had a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: phone from my work, and I happened to have an
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: old BlackBerry that I still used, so I happen to
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: have both. But I find that very very unusual, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I agree with hats all about the broken apple. Watch
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Karen start, what were you saying?
• 28:27
  Speaker 14: I was saying that it's so the whole thing is
• 28:30
  Speaker 14: very suspicious because you know, if you go out and
• 28:34
  Speaker 14: you're afraid that your dog is going to be not
• 28:38
  Speaker 14: be okay. She took her dog, which I think is
• 28:41
  Speaker 14: really significant because it's as though she really did expect
• 28:46
  Speaker 14: that everything would be okay and she'd be able to
• 28:49
  Speaker 14: come back. But on the other hand, leaving there with
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: a pizza pie, a whole pie, except for one's life,
• 28:56
  Speaker 14: that's that doesn't make a lot of sense. Leaving behind
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: things that were important to her. There's a lot of confusion.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: In this story.
• 29:05
  Speaker 14: Then I see that everyone's trying to piece together. But
• 29:08
  Speaker 14: this is unusual behavior.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and whenever it's out of the norm, I think
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that gives me the suspicion something is nefarious. Charlene Bartail
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: joining me, this is the victim's mom, Charlaine, Just one
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: short answer here, Where did we get the information that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: her cell p on her Apple Watch was there and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: her door was unlocked?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Who gives us that?
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: You know, the girl that watched into my daughter's apartment
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: went ahead and called another person before she called nine
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: one one and reported this, and then she called nine
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: one one.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's where we're getting it from a friend,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: a friend of Nevatari's.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, guys, remember a little.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: While ago we learned that good Samaritan Miranda got a
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: bad fea about dropping her off. That's where she wanted
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to get dropped off. So Miranda did, but she had
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: such an overwhelming bad feeling sense of dread that she
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: called in a security check to police, a welfare check.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: But guess what that never happened.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven a our friends
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: at crimeonline dot com.
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: The search for Bartel has been difficult, according to Bartel's family,
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: A request for a welfare check after the pregnant woman
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: was dropped off was refused, reportedly due to an incoming snowstorm. Later,
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: the Missoula Police sent Missoula County Search and Rescue team
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: made up of trained volunteers to Gold Creek Road. Weather
• 30:43
  Speaker 10: conditions hampered the search.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: David Leroy is joining me, high profile lawyer out of Idaho,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: former lieutenant governor, former prosecutor, now private attorney. David Leroy,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I've actually never heard
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a welfare check being requested and then the costco is.
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: Well, particularly if the welfare search was partly called in
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: because of the disastrous weather in the remote conditions. But Nancy,
• 31:14
  Speaker 9: I'm interested in the possibility that maybe all of this
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: search in the Gold Creek area has been unnecessary and
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: therefore not producing anything. If we had just one phone,
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: and if our good Samaritan saw Nepoti using that phone,
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: and then Nef's phone got back home, it may be
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: that this boyfriend, coming in the opposite direction, actually intercepted
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: her and brought her back home, and then whatever untoward
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: happened happened at home, leaving the phone behind. I'm wondering
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: if Nef is not in somewhere else in Big Sky
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: Country or in Idaho, in Wyoming, in the surrounding state,
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: where your publicity will help us find her.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I can tell you this, no way would Nefatari leave
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: her children. This would require her to willingly go into
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: your scenario and give birth somewhere else and not tell
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: her mother. But wait, wait, I see you're reasoning, David Leroy,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: and it's kind of brilliant. Was that actually her phone
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: back at her apartment? Exactly back at her place? Did
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the boyfriend bring her back? So here's the only shred
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: or scintilla of evidence I have to say you're wrong
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and it's not conclusive. Take a listen to our cut eleven.
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: Charlene Bartell said that Nefatari's dog Nova was found in
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: the mountains on Gold Creek Road on March first alone.
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: Nefatari was not with Nova. Bartel points out that Nova
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: survived eight days in the snow with no frost bite, nothing.
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: Charlene Bartel tells, it's like someone housed her, someone took
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: care of her.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace to Charlene Bartel, this is
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Nevatari's mother. So Nova was found wandering through that mountainous
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: area at Gold Creek Road alone.
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: Yes, and sub zero temperatures. I went ahead and I
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: checked the weather for that week because there was just
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: something about Nova that was itching at me. So I did,
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: and it was all sub zero's neither Knaf or Nova
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: would have survived the first night. But yet Nova was
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: found at the logging crew site eight days later and
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: still sub zero temperatures of no frostbite, known nothing, So
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: there was just no way. And the only people that
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: were up there are the loggers and that crew. There's
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: nothing else around. So it was just so conveniently, you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: she was found at that site that morning on March first.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of thoughts to you, Phil Waters, former
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: homicide detective, Houston p D President CEO Kindred Spirits investigations
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: and security. But everybody jump in three lines of inquiry
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: from me right now. Number one phones, if we follow
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: through David LeRoy's line of thinking, there's only one phone.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: If not, there are two phones. Now.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of law enforcement doesn't like to
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: do this because it is very, very time intensive, but
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I've seen it done with success, and David Leroy knows
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: all about this case, the Brian Coburger case.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: A data dump. A dump is made of all the.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Phones used in a certain area twenty certain period of time.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: So I get right here in the studio, Jackie goes missing.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like, hmmm, let's do a data dump of where
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I think Jackie went.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Let's just say she went for a pizza for lunch.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I do a data dump. I pull up three hundred
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: phone numbers. I isolate hers, and then I found out
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: who's incoming and outgoing, and I can actually ping the phone.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Where did it go after that? Okay, so there is
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the phone data. There is the boyfriend data. That seemed
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to be an incoming phone call to her phone left.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: At the apartment.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: And for somebody to say, oh, it's a private number,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: it can't be traced, that's entirely wrong. You think the
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: FBI can't trace a private number, Are you kidding me? Yeah,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: they can. You can't see it, but they can figure
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it out to.
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: Be on the Apple Watch, which is conveniently broken.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Who's that talking? Is that microphone? Absolutely correct, Mike, you're right.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: But even if the watch is physically broken, smashed, and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I'd like to find out why, sounds like a confrontation
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: at the apartment. But that said, the data is still
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: in the cloud with an Apple Watch, so I don't
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: need the actual physical watch to get the data. So
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: phone data on the two phones boyfriend infoe who called
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: into that phone at the apartment. Do we have any emails, texts?
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, they had to be in contact. And last
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the loggers, I'm not discounting them at all.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: That's where Nova's found with the logging crew.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Hey, big flashing red light of alarm, look at them too,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: That's where I would go with this. What about Charlene Marteal?
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: What are the cops telling you?
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: They're not telling me anything. I could probably count on
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: two hands how many times I've talked to Detective Lloyd
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: during this whole thing, since I found out my daughter's
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: been missing, And most of the times was when he
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: was trying to locate the phone that this girl stole
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: from my daughter's apartment when she was walking through. And
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: then just recently the last week he called me a
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: couple of days let me know that he did receive
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: he finally the warrant for Facebook finally went through, and
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: that her last response on Facebook I believe was last September.
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: So's there hasn't been any more communication with that other
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: than that, I haven't talked to him. He hasn't called me.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: I have left messages.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, if you get the cell phone, you
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: don't have to have the cell phone. You can go
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: in the cloud. You can do that data dump when
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: she was with Miranda, get that cell phone number, and
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: you can get the cell phone number of the at
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: her apartment and find out everybody she'd been texting and calling.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, help me out, feel waters, that's possible. It's
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, we can do that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: It looks like she left her place on her own
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: power with her dog to go meet according to Miranda,
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: some boyfriend up in this Gold Creek area. Now, so
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: to think that she got there and then somebody did
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: something to her then brought her back or brought her
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: stuff back to that apartment, I mean, it's it's quite
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: a that. That's a lot of moving parts, and I
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: just most of the times and something like this occurs,
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: it's usually a simple explanation.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: If and remember her dog didn't come back to the apartment.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Phil.
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: But here's the point about the dog. So we've now
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: we're talking about this component of these loggers being up
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: there and not knowing anything other than what I know
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: and what I've heard in this discussion. Well, the explanation
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: for the dog being in relatively good health, the loggers
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: were taking care of it, or it was provided the
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  Speaker 8: place of shelter up there where those guys were. And
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  Speaker 8: I agree with you, Nancy though that in the course
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  Speaker 8: of the investigation all of those guys need to be
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  Speaker 8: interviewed certainly. So there's a whole lot of components to
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  Speaker 8: this thing that I'm I'm I'm hopeful that the detective
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  Speaker 8: has done all of these things. Now, getting all the
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: information off these phones. There would be GPS on the phone,
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  Speaker 8: so we would be able to take those phones, that
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: phone and determine where it was if it if it
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: did go to some other location and came back, and
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: then the question would be who, who Who did that?
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: But there's a lot of information. We always did this.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, we've got if we get a phone, we
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: dumped the phone, we do a cell bride check on it,
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: and we get into the historical information on it and
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: that all that takes subpoenas and court orders and so forth.
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: So there's a lot of things that these these types
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: of faces don't get solved in forty three minutes with
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: no commercials.
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  Speaker 1: Well it's hardly been forty three minutes no commercials, because
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: she's been she was last sight of February twenty one.
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  Speaker 8: Well that's true, but you've got the weather as a factor.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, you've got a lot of things going on
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  Speaker 8: here that are are delaying furthering the investigation. And my
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: question is is she obviously left? I mean, she gets
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: picked up by Miranda, so she's by herself with her dog.
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  Speaker 8: She seems to be fine. There's a discussion about what
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: she's doing. There doesn't seem to be any anxiety involved there,
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: at least what I'm hearing Miranda saying. So she gets there,
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  Speaker 8: and my question is what time of the day did
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: this happen? Is this in the morning hours? And what
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  Speaker 8: is the distance from her house to this Gold Creek area?
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  Speaker 1: Good question, Miranda, what time of the day or not
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  Speaker 1: was it that you picked her up?
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  Speaker 11: It was probably about one thirty in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: And Charlene Bartel, how far away is the cabin that
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: she thought she was going to from her place?
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: I would guess what fifteen miles Miranda from Russell on
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: first Goldcrook.
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: A little bit longer than that. It's probably sixty miles
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: from Bonner and then whatever Bonner from to her house.
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: And that day she told me that she took an
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: uber from her house to Bonner, but couldn't afford to
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: get it to the to the Gold Creek exit, which
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: is But now now it's one.
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: Thirty or so in the afternoon and she's walking this
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: location with her dog.
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, and she was there was a timeframe. She
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: told me that she was meeting this boyfriend at this
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: cabin at eight o'clock that evening.
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  Speaker 8: And now about one did you ask her about walking?
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 42:03
  Speaker 11: Oh, absolutely, we spent we went in ten miles with me.
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  Speaker 2: A question and what did she say?
• 42:09
  Speaker 11: So she was going to meet this guy and they
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: were both hitchhiking and neither one of them. Well, there's
• 42:15
  Speaker 11: no reception down two hundred.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: So did she explain, Miranda, why she was on foot?
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: You said she took an uber to a certain point
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  Speaker 1: and then got out of the uber with her dog
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  Speaker 1: and started walking.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Is that correct, Miranda, that's from what I understand.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And that she was to meet the boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: that night at eight pm and by this point it
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: was getting on.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: To two o'clock. Is that correct?
• 42:41
  Speaker 11: Yes?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And did she tell you the location where she was
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: to meet him? And it was a cabin, but now
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: we know that location what she got there did not exist?
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Is that correct?
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: Also correct.
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: Let me ask a quick question here, Miranda, So when
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: you picked her up and at did she say how
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: far she'd actually been walking?
• 43:05
  Speaker 11: She honestly said that she had just began walking where
• 43:09
  Speaker 11: I picked her up with less than a mile from Bonner.
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: Okay. So from the point you picked her up to
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: this Gold Creek area, you're saying it's less than a mile.
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: No, No, from Bonner to where I picked her up
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: was left on the ridle.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: From where you dropped her off, Miranda, how far to
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the cabin it was?
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: According to our maps, it would have been roughly a
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: mile and a half.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, so up a trail to that.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: And remember Nafatari loves the outdoors, so for her, since
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: she has not been on foot very long at all,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: a mile or so would be no problem, except for
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: she's seven months pregnant. I want you to have the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: twenty four hour tip line four zero six five five
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: two sixty three hundred aspartel Where your daughter had ever
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: left her children?
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: Oh?
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: No, absolutely not.
• 44:07
  Speaker 10: No.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: Her kids were everything to her, you know, And I
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: just can't even imagine. You know what her oldest son
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: is going through right now, you know, And yeah, it's
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: this it's devastating.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: There's no way, no We wait as the facts unfold.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Get my friend.