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BONUS: ‘CULT MOM’ Lori Vallow husband Chad Daybell arrested after human remains found on his property. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan is professor of forensics at Jacksonville State
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  Speaker 1: University's also author of Blood Beneath My Feet? What have
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  Speaker 1: they found at the residence and property of Chad Daybell?
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  Speaker 1: Just got, you know what, towards human remains. I did
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  Speaker 1: not think this day would ever come. I did not
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  Speaker 1: think that we would hear that. But Chad day Bell
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  Speaker 1: has been arrested. The authorities, including the FBI, the state
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  Speaker 1: police with Idaho, the local sheriff's office in that area,
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  Speaker 1: in the Rexburg Police Department, went to his property and
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  Speaker 1: have begun excavating that property, and on that property, we
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  Speaker 1: can report now that they have actually found two, not one,
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  Speaker 1: but two sets of human remains. Now we do not
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  Speaker 1: know at this time who these remains belong to. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it is in fact the children, but
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  Speaker 1: the fact that it is on his property that they
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  Speaker 1: have acquired a search warrant, because let's keep in mind,
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  Speaker 1: with a search warrant, it's very specific. Contrary to what
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  Speaker 1: people think, you can't just take a shotgun approach to
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  Speaker 1: one of these. You have to be very specific about
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  Speaker 1: where you're going to search. The question then has to
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  Speaker 1: be asked where did the authorities develop the information to
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  Speaker 1: actually go into the search warrant to present to a
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  Speaker 1: judge or a magistrate that would sign off on this
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  Speaker 1: saying yes, go and execute the search warrant. They have
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  Speaker 1: to be very specific, so that gives us an idea
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  Speaker 1: that they developed information either through questioning maybe mister day Bell,
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  Speaker 1: or through a second source that they talked to that
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  Speaker 1: maybe he's anonymous, that said, listen, you might want to
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  Speaker 1: search this particular area. Now, the area where they are searching,
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  Speaker 1: and I've looked at the aerial photographs and there are
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  Speaker 1: plenty of them to see these appeared would come from
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  Speaker 1: drone footage. I can tell you that the area where
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  Speaker 1: they are searching is immediately adjacent to what many of
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  Speaker 1: us would call a fire pit or a fire ring.
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  Speaker 1: There's literally a big area where you can tell that
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  Speaker 1: burning has been going on there. There are big logs
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  Speaker 1: that are pulled up where people are actually using these
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  Speaker 1: apparently to sit around the fire and enjoy a bonfire.
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  Speaker 1: But just adjacent to that, just adjacent to that is
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  Speaker 1: a large area that has been excavated. When I say excavated,
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  Speaker 1: they brought out a front endloader a baco to come
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  Speaker 1: and dig down the earth. Now it looks like they've
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  Speaker 1: dug down maybe two to three feet, and in some
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  Speaker 1: of the images you can actually see the investigators down
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  Speaker 1: in this depressed area, down into this area where they
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  Speaker 1: have dug away the soil to kind of sift through it.
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  Speaker 1: There's even a sifting station that's immediately adjacent to this,
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  Speaker 1: under a big blue tarp, where you take the dirt
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  Speaker 1: that you've taken out of this pit and sift through it,
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  Speaker 1: kind of shake it down, and you're looking for all
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  Speaker 1: types of evidence. They're gonna be looking for things like bullets,
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  Speaker 1: cigarette butts, buttons off of clothing, zippers, anything, or maybe
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  Speaker 1: even teeth, small bones, stuff that gets lost and with it.
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  Speaker 1: When you're looking at brown dirt, everything looks brown and
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  Speaker 1: it's tough to examine it. That's why after they get
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  Speaker 1: everything out of this area, everything comes out of it,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to take these remains to the medical Examiner's
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  Speaker 1: office more than likely and boise and examine these things
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  Speaker 1: under controlled conditions. That means that the forensic anthropologist, which
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  Speaker 1: is a PhD scientist most of the time, will actually
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  Speaker 1: leave from the scene more than likely go with the
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  Speaker 1: remains to the location where the medical Examiner's office and
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  Speaker 1: along with probably a forensic dentist and a forensic pathologist
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  Speaker 1: who is also the m will all examine these remains.
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  Speaker 1: They'll be photographed extensively. They're going to examine every bone,
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  Speaker 1: They're going to look for every nick and every bone.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to see first off, who these remains belong to. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: we've got two sets of remains, so they're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to separate everything out. Then they're going to try to
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  Speaker 1: determine and this is the most difficult part, the cause
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  Speaker 1: of death. When you have skeletonized remains like these, it's
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  Speaker 1: very very difficult. Now, let's think about JJ and Tyly.
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  Speaker 1: They've been missing since roughly I think Tyley went missing
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  Speaker 1: back in late August. JJ has been missing essentially since September.
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  Speaker 1: That's the last time these two kids have been seen.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just speculate here and say, well, what if they
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  Speaker 1: had been buried at this location. We're now into June
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  Speaker 1: several months later. That means that anything that was in
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  Speaker 1: the ground since that point in time is going to
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  Speaker 1: be greatly degraded and decomposed. So those fine pieces of
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  Speaker 1: evidence that we're looking forward that are going to tie
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  Speaker 1: back to say, the causal effects of death. Sometimes those
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  Speaker 1: can be compromised. Sometimes it can be very difficult. If
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about a gunshot wound, for instance, to the
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  Speaker 1: back of the head. Yeah, that's kind of glaring. Anybody
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  Speaker 1: could see that. But what if this is something else.
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  Speaker 1: But if the two remains that are in that area
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  Speaker 1: that has been excavated, what if there's no soft tissue left.
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  Speaker 1: What if these are soft tissue related injuries, say like
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  Speaker 1: a suffocation or strangulation, you might not be able to
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  Speaker 1: see that or something even more sinister. And we look
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  Speaker 1: back to Tammy day Bell, who died in October, was
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  Speaker 1: never thoroughly examined, never drew talks on her. What if
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  Speaker 1: it was some kind of chemical agent that was used
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  Speaker 1: to render their death, You're not going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to find any evidence of that. So right now, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's great that we have found out that there are
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  Speaker 1: two sets or remains, but the problem is there's still
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  Speaker 1: a lot of work to be done. The police are
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  Speaker 1: going to have to sift through everything very very carefully.
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  Speaker 1: I submit right now that this investigation is not at
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  Speaker 1: a conclusion. It is at the beginning at this point
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  Speaker 1: because all this time they have been looking for these children,
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  Speaker 1: and many people have just thought, well, they're alive, we're
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  Speaker 1: holding out hope. This is on from simply a search
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  Speaker 1: and rescue mission to now a double homicide investigation. Potentially
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  Speaker 1: at least we say, yeah, let me ask you this, yep,
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  Speaker 1: how is it possible that the police were out on
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  Speaker 1: this property they served as search warrant at the residence
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  Speaker 1: of Chad day Bell already. They apparently had to go
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  Speaker 1: back to square one because that's that's been several weeks
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  Speaker 1: ago now, And how did they develop information to come
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  Speaker 1: back and do such a targeted search. This is not
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  Speaker 1: a small property. This is a fairly large area, and
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  Speaker 1: they it looks like they were pinpointing where they were
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  Speaker 1: going to be looking. This is a very large piece
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  Speaker 1: of property that day Bell owns, and I find it,
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  Speaker 1: as an investigator, very interesting. I'll just say it's piqued
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  Speaker 1: my interest, that's for sure. That they didn't go to
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  Speaker 1: the left or the right of the fire pit, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't go to the back of the property. They went
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  Speaker 1: specifically to this area immediately adjacent to this fire pit,
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  Speaker 1: immediately adjacent to the fire ring, where people could sit
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  Speaker 1: around and enjoy this and within feet of that area
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  Speaker 1: began to dig. And it's not like they dug a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of test areas all around that. You can see
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  Speaker 1: that in the aerial photography. I've seen multiple cases where
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  Speaker 1: death investigations are involved where they're digging around a property
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  Speaker 1: and you'll see multiple holes. That's not what happened here.
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  Speaker 1: They went to a specific area and they didn't venture
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  Speaker 1: out from that. They centered on that area. They've been
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  Speaker 1: digging and excavating that area. That tells me that they
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  Speaker 1: had specific information when they walked into that judge or
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  Speaker 1: magistrates office and said, your honor, here's this piece of paper.
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  Speaker 1: It's a warrant. It's a search warrant for Chad day
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  Speaker 1: Belle's property. We have reason to believe that there are
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  Speaker 1: remains are significant evidence in this specific location. They could
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  Speaker 1: probably even measure this down to the foot and say
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  Speaker 1: this is where it's going to be. They put shovel
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  Speaker 1: to dirt and they came up with human remains. Will
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  Speaker 1: they be able to determine how long the remains have
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  Speaker 1: been on the property in the dirt that it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be very interesting to see if they're able to
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  Speaker 1: determine specifically, how long these remains have been in that area.
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  Speaker 1: You know, people have been searching for the children for
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  Speaker 1: Tylely and JJ now for months, and I think everybody
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  Speaker 1: wants to know, well, if this is in fact tyle
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  Speaker 1: and JJ's remains, how long have they been there? Were
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  Speaker 1: they held somewhere else, were they frozen perhaps for a
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  Speaker 1: period of time, and then brought to this area and
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  Speaker 1: deposited here. So what they're going to be looking at
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  Speaker 1: is something that we refer to as post mortem interval,
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  Speaker 1: literally the time since death. And there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: factors that play into this when you're talking about buried
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  Speaker 1: human remains, because it's not just like you walk into
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  Speaker 1: a room and there's somebody that has been unrefrigerated, maybe
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  Speaker 1: they died in their sleep the night before. This is
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  Speaker 1: these are bodies that have been placed, supposedly in bare earth,
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  Speaker 1: have been subjected to the harsh environment that's up there,
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  Speaker 1: and have been degrading for this period of time. That is,
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  Speaker 1: supposing that this is not a historic or historical burial,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm assuming it's probably not, since we've got two
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  Speaker 1: bodies here on Chad Daville's property and they didn't go
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  Speaker 1: very deep. It looks like they've only dug down maybe
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  Speaker 1: two to three feet at its greatest depth to reclaim
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  Speaker 1: whatever is there. If folks are looking for the police
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  Speaker 1: to say, yes, they died on this specific date, that
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  Speaker 1: ain't going to happen in this case. It's almost an
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  Speaker 1: empirical impossibility to do that. Unless you had an eyewitness
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  Speaker 1: that saw of this and then watch the bodies be
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  Speaker 1: buried or participated in the burial. Maybe on the off
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  Speaker 1: chance you could tighten it down little bit more. But
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  Speaker 1: if these remains have been buried and they have been
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  Speaker 1: there for months and months and months, you're not going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to say it was on a specific date.
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  Speaker 1: Now you can bracket this and say maybe a French
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  Speaker 1: against apologist might can say plus or minus six to
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  Speaker 1: eight weeks, and that's going to be about as tight
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  Speaker 1: as they're going to be able to get it. At
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day. This ain't CSA from TV.
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  Speaker 1: They're not able to tie things down that tightly. We'll
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  Speaker 1: see what the sign to say after the exam is completed. Though,
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  Speaker 1: from an investigator standpoint, what does it mean to you
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  Speaker 1: that in reality, the last time jj Vaalo was seen
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  Speaker 1: was around September twenty third. Tylie Ryan a bit before then.
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  Speaker 1: But now we know that Tammy day Bell passed away
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  Speaker 1: at this residence where they just found two sets of
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  Speaker 1: human remains. She passed away in October, well after the
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  Speaker 1: last time the children, the young children were seen alive.
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  Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it really makes me think of is that in succession,
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  Speaker 1: we have got three people that have literally left us
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  Speaker 1: in this period of time. We've got Tyley in August.
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  Speaker 1: The next month, you have JJ who disappears as well,
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  Speaker 1: and then you have Tammy day Bell who mysteriously dies
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  Speaker 1: in her sleep, a forty nine year old woman who
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  Speaker 1: was quote unquote just coughing before she went to bed,
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  Speaker 1: and no one ever did an exam on her body.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got three people that pass in very close
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  Speaker 1: or you've got three people that are no longer with
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  Speaker 1: us at this point, in a very short period of time.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about a matter of weeks, and there's all
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  Speaker 1: there's some type of potential association with Chad day Bell's
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  Speaker 1: property here. I think that as an investigator, I've got
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  Speaker 1: a red flag that I can see right now that's
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  Speaker 1: going up. It's I've got bells that are going off.
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  Speaker 1: Something has happened here that's connected between all of these two.
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  Speaker 1: You take that and then you begin to look at
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  Speaker 1: Chad day Bell and Laurie Valle's behavior immediately after this
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  Speaker 1: How long was it? Not very long after they got
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  Speaker 1: married and they headed off to Hawaii. Now, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that these are huge intellectual leaps that we're taking here,
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  Speaker 1: but we can speculate all we want. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to see what the scientific information says, and then
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  Speaker 1: couple that with the investigative information that the FBI, the
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  Speaker 1: state investigators have all been developing over this period of time.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that once all of this kind of
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  Speaker 1: comes out and is presented to the public, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to be surprised and they're going to be shocked, and
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be striking. And I think that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to look at this and say, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: Hell really doesn't have a basement. We've gone really far
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  Speaker 1: down a rabbit hole here.