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Shani Grimmond: The It Girl of the 2010s · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Shani Grimond was the ultimate it girl of the 2010s.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you guys like this vlog.
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  Speaker 3: If you did, please give it a thumbs up because
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  Speaker 3: it helps me out so much.
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  Speaker 1: It all started on Tumblr, where she went by the
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  Speaker 1: handle Vans and Spray Tans.
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  Speaker 2: Woo! Go Bindi!
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  Speaker 1: When she was 16, she switched over to YouTube, sharing
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  Speaker 1: makeup tutorials and daily vlogs alongside her school best friend,
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  Speaker 1: Chloe Zep. Her videos began attracting hundreds of thousands of views.
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  Speaker 1: with Sharni seen as the girl next door. Her channel
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  Speaker 1: reached new heights when the ultimate boyfriend of Instagram, Jonathan Sauer,
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  Speaker 1: entered the scene.
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  Speaker 2: How did we meet? On our birthdays when we went out.
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  Speaker 2: We had the same birthdays.
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  Speaker 1: The 23-year-old accountant quickly became her manager and the pair
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  Speaker 1: became hashtag couple goals.
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  Speaker 2: Who was the first person to say I love you
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  Speaker 2: and how did it happen? It was me, of course.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't long before fame became overwhelming for the
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  Speaker 1: self-confessed introvert.
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  Speaker 3: I want to keep my personal life personal, private, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean? So I'm going to share as
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  Speaker 3: much as I can without like, you know, giving too
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  Speaker 3: much away.
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  Speaker 1: In this series, we explore the phenomenon of shiny grim
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  Speaker 1: and what happens when you want to pull back and
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  Speaker 1: live a more private life. Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Sophie Torber. And I have been hanging out for
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  Speaker 1: this series. It has been so highly requested. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that is because Sharni Grimmon was so many people's
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  Speaker 1: first introduction to the influencer world. I know for me,
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  Speaker 1: she was the first YouTuber I ever started watching. I
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  Speaker 1: vividly remember our younger cousin's girlfriend showing us Sharni's morning routine.
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  Speaker 1: And firstly, I was shocked that people would actually be
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  Speaker 1: interested in that sort of content. But then I quickly
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  Speaker 1: became hooked as well. I also couldn't believe that someone
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  Speaker 1: would feel comfortable sharing that level of information and detail
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  Speaker 1: about themselves online because we were living in the days
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  Speaker 1: of Instagram where everyone was putting very curated photos up.
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  Speaker 1: And here we were seeing Sharni Grumman in her bathroom,
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  Speaker 1: no makeup on, taking us through her morning routine. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you are a millennial, the handle Vans and Spray
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  Speaker 1: Tans will make you feel incredibly nostalgic. So it is
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  Speaker 1: the handle that Sharni Grumman created on Tumblr when she
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  Speaker 1: was just 13 years old.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And in the 2010s, Tumblr was a blogging platform teenagers
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  Speaker 1: used to express themselves. And it allowed users to design
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  Speaker 1: their own homepage where they could share curated images, videos, quotes,
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  Speaker 1: and also write blogs. Were you a little bit too
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  Speaker 1: old for Tumblr? I don't ever remember having a Tumblr account,
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  Speaker 1: but I do remember my younger cousins having one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad that I missed that phase because
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  Speaker 1: When you reflect on the sort of quotes that you
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  Speaker 1: might've been sharing around that time, it's quite horrifying and embarrassing. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think Shani would be cringing if she was to
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  Speaker 1: look back at her Tumblr now, because she was an
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  Speaker 1: open book on there. Her audience was made up mostly
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  Speaker 1: of teenage girls who really could relate to her struggles
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  Speaker 1: at school or with boys.
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  Speaker 3: I always, always, always am so open when I'm answering
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  Speaker 3: my questions. Like people ask about sex, boys, friends, family problems, school,
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  Speaker 3: and I literally answer everything. I'm the most honest person
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  Speaker 3: you'll probably ever know. Some followers aren't very open, obviously.
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  Speaker 3: And they're like, Sharni, why are you so open? Like,
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  Speaker 3: why are you telling us your whole life story? And
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, people are asking and I want to
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  Speaker 3: be honest and like help you guys out.
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  Speaker 2: If you need advice with my like things that have
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  Speaker 2: happened to me.
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  Speaker 1: Sharni did say that Tumblr was her favorite platform because
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  Speaker 1: she found it was a nonjudgmental place where she could
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  Speaker 1: just be herself and people couldn't Loved her on there
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  Speaker 1: because as you touched on, Amy, the girls following her
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  Speaker 1: were also planning their school formals or their schoolies week celebrations.
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  Speaker 1: And they felt like Shani was their friend. So they
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  Speaker 1: felt like they could relate to every aspect of their life.
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  Speaker 1: And over four years, Shani amassed a very loyal following
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  Speaker 1: of 90,000 followers on Tumblr. And she decided it was
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  Speaker 1: time to build on that relationship further. So at 16,
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  Speaker 1: she started her own YouTube channel. The first video Sharni
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  Speaker 1: ever uploaded to YouTube was a makeup tutorial featuring her
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  Speaker 1: best friend, Chloe Zepp. The year was 2013, and they
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  Speaker 1: were both 16-year-old schoolgirls. They look like such babies in
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  Speaker 1: this clip. So they were both wearing the big chunky
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  Speaker 1: necklaces that were the hottest accessory at the time. And
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  Speaker 1: Chloe was Sharni's model in the video. So Sharni was
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  Speaker 1: explaining step by step of how she was doing her
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  Speaker 1: makeup for what they said was a casual night out.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Sharni and this is Chloe, my model.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't get over how much a young Chloe Zep
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  Speaker 1: looked like her son Artie. Oh, they look like twins
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  Speaker 1: in these old videos. Now, Sharni did begin sharing more
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  Speaker 1: mini tutorials and they were only a couple of minutes long.
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  Speaker 1: And it did make me laugh because in one of
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  Speaker 1: the tutorials, Shani explained how to do a sock bun,
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  Speaker 1: which again, I don't think she would be caught in
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  Speaker 1: dead now, but it was very of the moment. And
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  Speaker 1: in the comment section, Shani would list all of the
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  Speaker 1: products she used and what she was wearing. At the time,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't have any brand deals, but it's so clever
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  Speaker 1: because she was already authentically sharing about these brands. So
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  Speaker 1: it didn't look bad when she started being paid by
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  Speaker 1: them to promote them. And that probably wasn't a strategic
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  Speaker 1: thing either. I think she was just genuinely sharing with
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  Speaker 1: her followers like she would with her friends. And I
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  Speaker 1: think she was emulating what other big YouTubers were doing
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  Speaker 1: at the time. Now, when it came to makeup, Shani
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  Speaker 1: was self-taught and ironically, she learned her skills off YouTube
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  Speaker 1: when she started watching makeup tutorials at the age of 10.
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  Speaker 1: And while she was at school, Sharni said that she
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  Speaker 1: did want to do a course at Mac and become
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  Speaker 1: a qualified makeup artist. Now, I don't think she ever
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  Speaker 1: ended up getting qualifications in makeup. Again, that is just
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  Speaker 1: so 2010 to be a makeup artist at Mac. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't until 2014 when Sharni started sharing more of
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  Speaker 1: her personality in her videos. And she had the realization
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  Speaker 1: that people weren't just coming to her channel to learn
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  Speaker 1: how to do hair and makeup. They wanted to connect
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  Speaker 1: with her. Yeah, she did start creating chit chat, get
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  Speaker 1: ready with me videos where she would answer questions about
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  Speaker 1: her life. And I had so much fun going back
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  Speaker 1: and watching these videos. So in one of Sharni's early videos,
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  Speaker 1: she took part in a viral trend called the common
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  Speaker 1: white girl tag. And she answered 20 questions so her
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  Speaker 1: followers could get to know her better. Let's give you
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  Speaker 1: a taste of some of the things we found out
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  Speaker 1: about baby Sharni.
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  Speaker 3: My favorite drink from Starbucks would have to be the Frappuccinos,
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  Speaker 3: also known as Frappes. And I really love the caramel,
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  Speaker 3: the caramel and the hazelnut and just the plain vanilla.
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  Speaker 3: They're so delicious despite the fact that they're like $ 7
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  Speaker 3: for like a little cup this big, but so worth it.
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  Speaker 2: They're just amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I did laugh at how she pronounced frappes. Look, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not throwing any shade at her because we get criticized
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  Speaker 1: anytime we try to pronounce it. So who knows? She
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  Speaker 1: could actually be correct. Now, she did also answer a
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  Speaker 1: number of questions about her favorite social media apps at
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  Speaker 1: the time. Here's what she said.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have Twitter anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I guess I do because I never deleted it,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't know how many tweets I've got. I
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  Speaker 3: probably have like 1,000 tweets saying, Justin, will you please
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  Speaker 3: follow me?
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  Speaker 2: Cody Simpson, I love you.
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  Speaker 3: Because I know Cody Simpson followed me and I was
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  Speaker 3: so excited, but yeah, I just don't go on it.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's so boring and I'm just going to
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  Speaker 3: stick to my Instagram and Facebook and Tumblr.
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  Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with them so much.
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  Speaker 1: I totally forgot that school kids would use Twitter to
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  Speaker 1: beg for responses from celebrities. This really brought it all
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  Speaker 1: back to me. Remember how kids would also try to
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  Speaker 1: grow their Instagram following on by writing like for like
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  Speaker 1: under celebrities or randoms posts. Well, what's ironic is that
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  Speaker 1: so many influencers from back in the day, they've been
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  Speaker 1: burnt from offensive tweets coming out. But I think for
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  Speaker 1: Sharni's Twitter account, it's probably just more embarrassing in terms
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  Speaker 1: of her begging Cody Simpson to follow her. this stage,
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  Speaker 1: Instagram had only been around for a few years. So
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  Speaker 1: the platform launched in 2010 and initially it was a
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  Speaker 1: way for people to connect with friends. I remember it
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  Speaker 1: was the days where you'd upload a photo and you'd
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  Speaker 1: probably get three likes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that always looked really weird. Like you use all
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  Speaker 1: these grainy filters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't really a vibe, but then by 2013, the
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  Speaker 1: term Insta fame, it started to be thrown around a bit.
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  Speaker 1: So an SBS article described it as a term that
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  Speaker 1: refers to ordinary everyday people who have amassed large followings
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  Speaker 1: on social media, in particular Instagram, for no apparent reason.
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  Speaker 1: I remember I was working at Today Tonight and I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to convince the boss to do a story
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  Speaker 1: about an influencer. And I was like, they've got nearly
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  Speaker 1: 500,000 followers. And he just didn't get it. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: why are the people following them? And I'm like, because
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  Speaker 1: they like their content. Because you did do a story
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  Speaker 1: about Insta fame and you interviewed Kayla Itzinas. And that
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  Speaker 1: was before she was obviously exploded in popularity. Well, she
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  Speaker 1: was pretty popular on there, but she's not what she
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  Speaker 1: is now in terms of just how big she was
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  Speaker 1: back then. Well, this SBS article continued saying, these people
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  Speaker 1: aren't movie stars or high profile athletes. They're not even bloggers.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, they don't even necessarily do anything other than
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  Speaker 1: take nice photos or more commonly still have a nice
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  Speaker 1: photo taken of them. The author did note that in
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  Speaker 1: order to be Insta-famous, you had to have a healthy
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  Speaker 1: or unhealthy level of narcissism. It said, no surprise on
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  Speaker 1: this one, you have to be pretty self-involved to post
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  Speaker 1: 30 plus selfies a day and expect that other people
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  Speaker 1: are going to not only want to see them, but
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  Speaker 1: also like them. To be fair to Sharni, I don't
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  Speaker 1: actually think she came across as a narcissist in her
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  Speaker 1: heyday on YouTube, but I think it was such a
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  Speaker 1: new thing for people to be posting videos selfies and
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  Speaker 1: really promoting themselves in this way. Because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the time, you know, people would joke that you only
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  Speaker 1: put up photos of your food or other people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I do get it because then it was a weird thing.
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  Speaker 1: Like people didn't really have careers in social media. Now
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  Speaker 1: we know that the people who were the early adopters
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  Speaker 1: are so clever because they're the ones who've made so
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  Speaker 1: much money off it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, at this stage, the term influencer wasn't
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  Speaker 1: even widely being used. And Shani was taking inspiration from
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  Speaker 1: other beauty influencers in the space like Shan XO, Lauren Beauty,
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  Speaker 1: and also Chloe Morello. And while she did have a
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  Speaker 1: big following on Tumblr, at this stage, she had around
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  Speaker 1: 17,000 followers on Instagram. Here's how Shani described how she
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  Speaker 1: used Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I just keep everyone updated on what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 3: I post like photos of my new video. If I
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  Speaker 3: like posted a new video that day, I'd be like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: check this out. And then I like post selfies and
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  Speaker 3: photos of my dog and my boyfriend and my friends
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  Speaker 3: and everything like that.
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  Speaker 2: So it's basically just my personal life on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: I love how simple and authentic her posting sounded. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it genuinely was at that time because we
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  Speaker 1: really didn't have the onslaught of paid advertisements that we
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  Speaker 1: see now, because every time I go my Instagram now
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  Speaker 1: I'm being sold something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it was actually in 2013 that Instagram introduced the
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  Speaker 1: feature of paid advertisements and this really changed things for influencers.
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  Speaker 1: So it enabled brands to connect directly with influencers across
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  Speaker 1: its platform and selling products became easier than ever with
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  Speaker 1: just a click of the button. influencers could share what
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  Speaker 1: they enjoyed and they got paid for doing it. At
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  Speaker 1: the time, we weren't really savvy to this kind of advertising.
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  Speaker 1: It was before influencers had to declare paid partnerships. So
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  Speaker 1: most of the time, we were led to believe that
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  Speaker 1: the influencers really swore by these products and it was
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  Speaker 1: a genuine recommendation from them. And for a brand to
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  Speaker 1: have a tick of approval from an influencer like Shiny Grimm,
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  Speaker 1: it was incredibly powerful and it resulted in dramatic sales
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  Speaker 1: for that brand.
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  Speaker 3: The last thing that I want to talk about is
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  Speaker 3: the things that I got from triangle.com. And for you
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  Speaker 3: guys that don't know what that is, it is a
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  Speaker 3: bikini store and it also sells underwear sets as well.
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  Speaker 3: I swear by that side, they have the most amazing
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  Speaker 3: bikinis I have ever experienced.
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  Speaker 1: Now, due to the blurred line between recommendations and partnerships
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  Speaker 1: at the time, it is still unclear what was going
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  Speaker 1: on between shiny and triangle, but all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: she started sharing a lot about their swimwear. which was
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  Speaker 1: the bikini brand of the time. The hold that Triangle's
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  Speaker 1: tangerine set had on the zeitgeist at the time was insane.
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  Speaker 1: But was that from Shani? Like, was it Shani that
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  Speaker 1: built them up or was it? I definitely think the
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  Speaker 1: Shani Grimmond effect really helped that brand. I had quite
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  Speaker 1: a few pairs of Triangle. I loved them at the time.
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  Speaker 1: I always wanted the orange bikini, but it was always
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  Speaker 1: sold out. Sharni did do a number of haul videos
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  Speaker 1: showing off the bikinis and talking about what she liked
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  Speaker 1: and she didn't like about them. If this was a
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  Speaker 1: paid partnership, I wonder how the marketing team at Triangle
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  Speaker 1: felt about this comment.
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  Speaker 2: So people have been.
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  Speaker 3: Asking me if you can wear this set into the
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  Speaker 3: water or like take to the beach or whatever. And
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  Speaker 3: I would have to say that I would not recommend
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  Speaker 3: the bottoms because as I said before, they're really see-through
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  Speaker 3: and sheer. So as soon as you get them wet,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to be able to see everything. So I
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  Speaker 3: don't really recommend that.
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  Speaker 1: I laugh so much when I watch this back. I
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  Speaker 1: do think it added to her review of the brand though,
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  Speaker 1: because it made it feel more authentic. And she did
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  Speaker 1: follow it up by gushing about the free bag that
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  Speaker 1: came with the bathers. So people will remember that it
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  Speaker 1: had this like drawstring bag and she said it was
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  Speaker 1: the perfect beach accessory, which I found so funny because
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  Speaker 1: all I could think about when I got that bag
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  Speaker 1: was clearly this was the off cuts of the bathers.
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  Speaker 1: It makes me think that maybe she was just gifted
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  Speaker 1: the bathers and that's why she was able to be
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  Speaker 1: honest about them because a lot of influences have come
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  Speaker 1: out recently and said, Back in the day, we didn't
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  Speaker 1: realize what we were actually worth. And we were doing
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  Speaker 1: full on haul videos for a couple of free bathers.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm disturbed about? Because as I said,
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  Speaker 1: I did have these bathers. I didn't realize that they
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  Speaker 1: were quite secret. Well, by 2015, Shani's channel was starting
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  Speaker 1: to hit the big time. So she notched up 100,000 followers.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we're so used to seeing big celebrations
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  Speaker 1: now when a creator reaches a million subscribers. But back then,
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  Speaker 1: 100,000 was such a big deal and YouTube would reward
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  Speaker 1: creators by sending them a silver play button trophy.
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  Speaker 3: I hit 100,000 subscribers last week. I was so excited.
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  Speaker 3: You would not even believe my reaction. I was jumping
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  Speaker 3: off the walls, bouncing off the walls. I was so
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  Speaker 3: happy and I'm still so happy. Thank you guys so
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  Speaker 3: much for subscribing to me. It honestly means the world
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  Speaker 3: to me. I wouldn't be here without you, as cliche
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  Speaker 3: as that sounds, but I just want to let you
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  Speaker 3: guys know how much you mean to me and all
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  Speaker 3: the comments that you guys leave.
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  Speaker 2: It just, it makes my day.
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  Speaker 1: At 16, Sharni was already planning to pursue YouTube as
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  Speaker 1: a full-time career once she graduated from school. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not surprising as she was starting to receive exciting opportunities
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  Speaker 1: from brands and agencies.
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  Speaker 3: I've been offered like a few modeling things and being
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  Speaker 3: a part of all of these crazy things that I
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  Speaker 3: will talk about in the future and But yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 3: just excited to be independent and move out and just
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  Speaker 3: keep going with my YouTube because it makes me so
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  Speaker 3: happy and I just love you guys so much.
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  Speaker 1: After notching up 100,000 subscribers, Shani made the move into
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  Speaker 1: vlogging and she was a natural from the get-go. She
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  Speaker 1: had this really goofy side which shone through in her
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  Speaker 1: vlogs and Even though she was doing these really mundane tasks,
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  Speaker 1: she managed to make them really engaging and interesting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I always remember she was down at the post office
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  Speaker 1: collecting all of the mail that had been sent to her.
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  Speaker 1: She was also doing giveaways for her subscribers. So she'd
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  Speaker 1: be posting, you know, things of lip smacker or just
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  Speaker 1: like random items. And her car was so relatable. It
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  Speaker 1: was like this old bomb. Yeah, she just recently got
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  Speaker 1: her license and she was driving around in this absolute
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  Speaker 1: shit tip of a car.
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  Speaker 3: Could definitely say that I'm at the happiest point of
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  Speaker 3: my life right now, having my license, having the most
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  Speaker 3: amazing viewers on YouTube, having so much support from people.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: My life is just so great right now.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: And if any of you guys are going for your
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: license and you're nervous, I know the feeling because I
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: was so nervous before my test because I thought I
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: was going to fail because I just didn't really have
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: that much confidence, but I practice a lot.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Like I just was driving a lot. Trust me.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: This is what made her so relatable because I think
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: everyone will have high school memories of their first shitty
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: old car. We actually had to share a red Barina,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: which had no air conditioning. It's a rite of passage.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: You have to have a shit car to begin with. Well,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: in one of Sharni's vlogs, she shared- this video of
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: her and Chloe on the side of the road because
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: her car had broken down because it overheated and they
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: had to sit there waiting for it to cool down.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Why does that remind me of that scene on Laguna Beach? Yeah,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: when Kristen's car breaks down. She's like, I'm donezo with this.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I'm so donezo. It's kind of sad because there is
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: this pattern when influencers start to make good money. Of course,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: they go out and buy new cars and they seem
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: to rent or buy these amazing places. And that's when
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: their audience suddenly doesn't feel like they're on the same
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: playing field and they start to become a bit disconnected.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And it's an interesting one for Sharni because to begin with,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: she was the girl next door. She was very relatable,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: but as her wealth started to grow, her content then
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: did become aspirational. But I think because she was so
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: good at vlogging and talking to viewers like they were
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: a friend, people still bought in and enjoyed her content.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Before we get started, I just want to ask you
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: guys one question and I'd really appreciate it if you
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: could actually answer it in the comments below.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: And that is, what kind of videos do you want
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to see on my channel?
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Because I asked you guys on all of my social
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: media accounts what video you want to see or what
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: videos in general you want to see and not many
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: people were saying like makeup or beauty related videos. A
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: lot of them are more like vlogs and personality videos
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: and I'm really confused because I started making videos with
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: makeup tutorials and stuff. And now it's kind of getting
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: overtaken by my vlogs.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what's going on? So I would love
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: if you could let me know in the comments, what
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: video you want to see.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: The overwhelming response from Shani's followers was that they were
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: obsessed with her vlogs and they wanted to know more
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: about her private life. And she didn't really have any
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: boundaries when it came to sharing her life online. The
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: one thing that she was always so open about was
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: her relationships. And It wasn't long before 16-year-old Sharni introduced
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: her first boyfriend, Sean, to her YouTube channel. Now, he
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: made his first appearance in a video entitled Chubby Bunny
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Challenge with my boyfriend. I do remember these videos. And
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: for people who haven't heard of Chubby Bunny, that is,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: of course, when you shove marshmallows in your mouth. And
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: at each additional marshmallow, you have to try and say
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Chubby Bunny. I think it's been banned, though, because it's
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: quite dangerous. A lot of people have passed out or
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: they choke on the marshmallows.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Well, despite being the same age, Sharni looked considerably older
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: than Sean in this video. One commenter said, he looks
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: like your younger brother who is trying to grow a
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: moustache because he did have a very patchy moustache, which
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: just looked like a few strands of pubes almost. Like
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: it was not impressive at all. To be fair to
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: poor Sean- Shani, of course, is sitting there with a
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: full face of makeup. I think girls do mature a
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: lot faster, but they're also able, you know, we're able
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to look older because we're able to do our makeup
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: in a certain way. One follower did say they were
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: quite defensive over the relationship and said she obviously thought
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: he looked good and thought he was a good person.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: So that's why she dated him. Now, Sean did appear
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: in a number of her subsequent videos. He did go
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: to Vanuatu with her. But with most young love stories, unfortunately,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: it did end in heartache. A month out from her
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: school formal, after two years together, Sharni and Sean officially
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: broke up. And despite the split, Sharni still took Sean
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: as her partner to her school formal.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: We were dating for two years and we broke up
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: a month before formal and I still wanted him to
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: come because I didn't want to take someone that didn't
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: really mean anything to me.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's a bit silly because.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: You're going to look back at these photos when you're
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: older and I want to look back and be happy
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: with who I went with and stuff.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's hard to explain but I am
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: glad that I took him.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: It was a little bit awkward just because we only
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: did just break up but we're still friends.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: It's just really kind of weird.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: How juicy would it be if you were actually at
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Shani and Chloe's school? Because you've got these two girls
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: who are sharing all of these private details. I think
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: it would have also brought out a lot of jealousy.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Because Shani was being offered all of these modeling contracts
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and opportunities to work with brands. And I think that
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: people would have paid it out, but been secretly very envious. Now,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Shani went on to thank her audience for getting her
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: through the breakup, saying she was crying her eyeballs out
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: on Tumblr, but her followers were there for her the
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: entire time. She then urged her followers going through tough
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: times to reach out to her and chat to her
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: about it, and she will respond to them. So it
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: really does show that relationship that she was building with
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: her followers. It wasn't just a parasocial relationship because she
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: was actually conversing back with them. It seemed to be
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: like a real friendship. Yeah. And I think it really
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: was Sharni's year 12 experience, which really struck a chord
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: with other teenagers. So she was going through these big
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: life changes. And at the same time, so were the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: people watching her vlogs. She would even share about fights
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: she was having with her mom and how she was
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: close to moving out on her own or with her brother.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: And she really did push the boundary of when she
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: shared a video about her schoolies experience entitled Schoolies Talk,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Unconscious Underage Drinking and Drugs. Now, in the video, she
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: admitted to underage drinking and explained she was unconscious for
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: four and a half hours after her drink was spiked
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: at schoolies. Oh, that's awful. Here's what she said.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: So here I was minding my own business on like
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: the third night of schoolies with my friend Courtney and
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: we're just having some shots. I think I had like
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: six shots in like three minutes so that's really bad.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I do not recommend that at all. So here I
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: was having the shots, walked out the door to go
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: to an apartment like apartment kind of party.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Across the road with Court. So I was already drunk
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: at that stage.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I went over there and then I was handed two
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: like shots of something. I don't know what it was.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I had no idea and stupid shiny takes the shot.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: After I Took that shot. I cannot remember one single
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: thing that happened that night.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: So Sharni was taken to the paramedic tent and given
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: a drip to get hydrated. She ended up vomiting on
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: herself several times. Now, paramedics were 95% sure her drink
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: was spiked. She did use it, though, as an opportunity
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to encourage her audience to be vigilant with their drinks
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and said she had learned from her mistake. I was
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: very disturbed about another schoolie story that she shared. So
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Sharni's friend won a schoolies competition to get a massage
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: with Scotty T from Geordie Shore. What a blast from
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the past. Now, Sharni was allowed to come along as
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: part of the prize. And putting things into perspective... At
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the time, Scottie T was 27 years old and Shani
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and her friend were 17. I'm sorry, who came up
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: with this concept? Let's get this guy from Geordie Shore
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: who's a ladies' man. Let's get him, this 27-year-old, around
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a bunch of teenage schoolgirls. Because Scottie T was good
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: friends with Gary Beadle and they were known for just
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: bringing girls home after all of their nights out. Now,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: when the girls arrived, they were told to get undressed
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: in front of Scottie T to get ready for the massage.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: And Sharni said she told Scott to put his head
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: in a pillow and not look at them. This is
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: highly inappropriate. Now, following the massage, Scotty T asked for
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Sharni's number and continued texting her throughout the night. He
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: asked her to meet up and if she had a
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: friend for his friend. So Sharni very quickly got the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: vibe that he was just interested in sex and said
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: to have a good night. She clearly watched Shorty Short.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Well, Scotty T called her back and asked what was up.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And if she wanted to hang out the next night
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and have drinks, and she told him she was actually
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: going home that day. She did confirm on her YouTube
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: that she didn't go to drinks with him because she
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: didn't want to have sex with him. And that's all
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: he seemed interested in. She even ended up making a
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Snapchat where she explained that he just called to hang out,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: but she said that she couldn't because she was leaving. Now,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: she did say that even though she didn't want to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: have sex with him, she was quite starstruck by this
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: experience and was somewhat about him on her Snapchat story.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he knew how big she was at
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the time. Well, Scott ended up seeing the Snapchat story,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: so I assume he knew who she was and he
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: contacted her and said, why did you make that Snapchat
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and asked her to take it down? And she said
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: she was mortified and embarrassed by the whole experience. Well,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming Schoolies probably said, please don't sleep with the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: teenage girls that we're lining up activities with. Well, he
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: continued to have a role with Schoolies online From that
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: time on, it just seems highly inappropriate. I'd love to
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: know how much he was paid. Well, he probably got
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: paid for free because he had the smorgasbord of young girls. No,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: he definitely would have been paid. I mean, that's at
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a time when they were absolutely huge and they were
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: doing lots of club appearances. Now that Sharni was out
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of school, she was officially a full-time YouTuber. And this
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: was fairly unheard of at the time. An influencer or
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: a YouTuber, it wasn't really viewed as a job title
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: or a career as it is now. because most people
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: were unaware of how much money could actually be made
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: through brand deals. And it was clear that YouTube was
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: an escape and a passion project for Shani during her
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: school years. But that's why she was so good at it,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I think, because she didn't go into it thinking, I'm
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: going to make lots of money from YouTube like a
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: lot of people do now. I think, you know, she
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't that confident. It was kind of her way, her
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: outlet almost. Yeah, well, any free time she got, she
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: would vlog. And she had the realization that when it
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: became her full-time job it would add a level of
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: pressure because there was money riding on it and I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: think she was worried that it would become less authentic
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: because she'd be required to film on these days instead
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: of choosing to film and you could really see that
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: she was grappling with it very early on.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I personally don't really want to do a schedule because
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I don't want to feel like I have to upload
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: videos because I do get paid to make YouTube videos
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: but I don't make them because I get paid I
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: make them because I love interacting with you guys.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I love helping you guys. And just, I don't know.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I just love, love, love making YouTube videos.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: So if I was to make a schedule, I'd feel
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: like I kind of have to make it on this
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: day at this time.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And I feel like maybe I wouldn't be as happy
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: in that video or in the videos that I have
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: to make. You know what I mean? Like it's so
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: hard to explain.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because there has been a number of studies
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that have come out that said once something becomes your
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: full-time job, when previously it was a passion project, You
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: do lose motivation. It's such a strange phenomenon.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Chloe, can you start this off because I'm scared? Well,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: you have a new specimen.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Specimen. In your life.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: And he treats you like gold and... i'm pretty sure
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: you had chocolate in.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Your mouth and it was really pretty but yes i
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: i don't know what.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: To say i have you're seeing someone i'm seeing oh
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: but he's gonna see this.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: This is where jonathan sour aka boyfriend goals entered the
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: chat I was very interested to learn that Sharni and
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Jonathan first met on Snapchat.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: And Sharni was only 18 at the time and Jonathan
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: was 23. Now, according to Sharni, Jonathan randomly added her
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and they began talking. Wait, was Snapchat, was this like,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: you know, before Instagram DMs, like sliding into the DMs,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: was it a thing to connect with people on Snapchat
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: or I would assume it would have been quite difficult
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to find her Snapchat. Well, it all comes down to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the fact that Sharni had a large following and I'm
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: guessing that Jonathan probably saw her online and thought, oh
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: my God, I want to talk to her. She's hot.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Who is she? And then track down her Snapchat handle.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Now on YouTube, Sharni said she still doesn't know how
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Jonathan found her Snapchat name. But as I said, I'm
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: guessing he was aware of who Sharni was and pursued her. Now,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: they started chatting on Snapchat and then moved the conversation
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: to text where they soon began texting every day. A
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: cute fun fact that I had forgotten about this couple
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: is that they share the same birthday, except they are
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: five years apart, as you touched on earlier. Jonathan is
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: five years her senior, which at the time did seem
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: like a pretty big age gap. It just reminds me
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of those girls at high school when they get their
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: older boyfriends to come pick them up and you think
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: it's really cool. But then when you get out of
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: high school, you realize it was a bit sad. Yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: it was a bit sad of the older guy rocking
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: up to the school. To be fair, though, I don't
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: think it was a huge age difference between them. It
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: didn't seem to be. Like Sharni seems a lot more
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: mature for her age. Yeah. Now back to how they met.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: They did speak via text for a few months until
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: they randomly or not so randomly ran into each other
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: outside a nightclub on their joint birthdays. Here's what Sharni's.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: We met up on our birthdays which was completely accidental
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: i feel like so we had the same birthdays i
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: was coming out of my taxi to go to a
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: club and he was walking to a club and i
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: came out of my car out of my taxi and
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: he was literally right there like he was just walking
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: to the club and i was getting out and i
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: was like Whoa, I did not expect to see you here.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I was not expecting that at all. And then we
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: just met up at a different club later on. And
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: then we're literally.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Together for the next four days straight. And then we
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: had sleepovers for like two months straight. And then we
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: started dating.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I want to know, did they have snap maps back then?
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming not. Well, it would have been easy to
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: find her because I get the vibe that Jonathan is
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word stalked as an
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: aggressive word, but I feel like he must have kind
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: of worked out where she was going to be and
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: wanted to make it happen. We've all been there before.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: And as, you know, as an 18 year old girl,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you would think, oh my God, this is fate. This
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: is a sign that I should be with this guy.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I've opened the taxi door. There he is. Do you
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: think that Shani might've worked out where he was going though?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I got the vibe that he was the one really
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: pursuing this relationship from the get go. He did have
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: all of the ingredients to be the perfect boyfriend of Instagram.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you're an accountant, you're 23, you live with
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: a few friends.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not from here. I'm from Rocky. I'm from Rockhampton.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: You grew up in Rocky? Yes. Shana come and visited
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: last week.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: He was really every high school girl's dream. He was hot,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: he was buff, he was the older guy, and he
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: seemed mature and like he had his life together. Yeah,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and with a new guy and life as a full-time YouTuber,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Shiny Grimmond was no longer the regular girl next door.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Every young girl was now aspiring to be just like her.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: That is where we will leave you for today's episode.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Next week, we will explore what happens when your relationship
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: turns sour. and you become the center of Australia's hottest
• 31:40
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• 31:43
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• 31:45
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  Speaker 1: sharing some amazing throwback posts of Sharni And if you'd
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  Speaker 1: like to follow Kate, Sophie and I on Instagram, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just at at Amy Torber, you're Sophie underscore Torber and
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  Speaker 1: Kate is at Kate Torber. Get ready for the baby content.
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  Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the
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  Speaker 1: Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to
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  Speaker 1: elders past and present.