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Big Pharma's Deadliest Lie is Being EXPOSED to the Masses w/ Jonathan Otto · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Seth Holehouse: Welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Hullhouse. So, folks, a lot is happening in this country since Trump won the election. We're seeing, you know, some really, really big changes even before he's in office, but some amazing things are happening with the MAHA movement even though RFK is not in yet, Trump's office not in yet, and there's already been some significant changes with just the overall health discussion. So, just today actually, I'll I'll pull up the, website here for you to show you this.
• 0:42
  So literally just today, the FDA banned red dye three. So food you know, red dye three, which is a major cancer causer, which is huge. Right? So we've got this. We had a massive interview with Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson talking about how Mel Gibson had these friends that are healing themselves from cancer, like stage four cancer using, like, ivermectin, methylene blue, you know, chlorine dioxide, etcetera.
• 1:11
  So this is all just at the tip of the iceberg of what I think is such an exciting thing, which is the mass awakening of people as it relates to their health. As you start waking up and COVID, you know, kinda shook a lot of people out out of the slumber, people are realizing that they can actually heal themselves without going through this massive pharmaceutical labyrinth that will end up leaving you sick, hooked on pharmaceuticals, and probably dead, unfortunately, because that's just what the system does. Now there are again, I'm not saying the whole medical system is is evil. There's a lot of good things with it, especially for emergency medicine. Like, if you have a gunshot wound or a car accident, go to the hospital.
• 1:48
  Right? They're gonna take care of you better than some sort of home remedy, but there are so many other treatments that we can be doing at home that are so affordable and accessible. And I'll be talking about all these things and digging into them, but also just talking about just the amazing information that is breaking out in the mainstream. Again, like, when Joe Rogan has a guest like Mel Gibson on who's talking about using ivermectin to cure cancer, you I bet you these people, these you know, the pharmaceutical executives are going, oh, no. This is not good.
• 2:14
  This is not good. We're losing control of the narrative. And so joining us today is my good friend Jonathan Otto. Where we're gonna be digging into all this and more. So, folks, please enjoy the interview.
• 2:24
  Jonathan, it is so good to have you back on the show, man. I I love talking to you. Thank you for being here today.
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: You're welcome, Seth. Right back at you. Your research is impeccable, and I know you've got some really exciting and interesting things planned, and we're we're in for a treat, I think, this episode.
• 2:40
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, I I would say so. Well, what's crazy is is that I think that so where okay. Remember when Trump won the election, and within the first month, there are already massive things happening around the globe. Right? Mexico is gonna pull back their, you know, their incoming immigrants.
• 2:55
  There's peace deals being discussed in The Middle East. Like, all these gears were kicked into place just by everyone knowing Trump's in office. Now the breaking news this week is I'll pull it up here, is that the FDA FDA has banned the food dye red three, which, I mean, here in America, it it is everywhere. I mean, you know, who knows how much of stuff I consumed as a kid? You know, it's in, you know, suckers and candy and breakfast cereal, but this is huge.
• 3:23
  It makes me think, like, wait. RFK's not in yet. Trump's not in yet. It's like, what's going on here? The MAHA movement is already starting.
• 3:32
  But here, this is from m d h m d h truth over on Twitter. I recommend people follow him. Breaking the FDA bans food dye read through because it causes, drum roll, cancer. The FDA finally banned the cancerous food diet for thirty years since scientists discovered links to cancer in animals. So he says that RED three is a synthetic color additive made from petroleum and chemically known as ethrosine.
• 3:59
  Yeah. Or no. Erythrosine used to give food and beverages a bright cherry red color. So this is really, really significant because I feel like and there's a handful of other things I wanna talk about that kinda represent the idea that the the mainstream, obviously, within our community, people are so awake. They're so aware.
• 4:21
  They're, you know, they're not good. They're not rushing to get the COVID vaccine or the boosters. They're they're really on top of stuff. But for a lot of Americans, it takes these kinds of events where they're gonna see the CNN headline. They're gonna see Sean Hannity talking about it, where it brings the idea into the public that, to me, there's two things.
• 4:38
  There's two different angles to this. One is that the there's so many toxins that the that the government and the FDA are approving that are causing cancer, so people are not realizing what you can't just trust the FDA. But the other thing is that there are all these treatments for cancer that that that doctors won't recommend, and we'll get into Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson in a in a second here. But that's also blowing up with this idea that, wait. I don't have to rush off to get chemotherapy.
• 5:06
  There's so many other treatments. But, anyway, before we continue, I'll I'll I'll you know, I wanna get your thoughts on this.
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You you hit the nail on the head, Seth. These chemicals are causing cancer. That's the bottom line. And carcinogens, who who in their right mind would want to put that in their body?
• 5:25
  These they've been marketed in a way that has been so attractive. Children you know love these bright colors. Parents want to give the children what they want. Parents are acting like children and with their own interests around just wanting the color, right? So is it if you want colorful foods, eat colorful foods that are naturally colorful, eat the rainbow, your dragon fruit and beautiful purple color and watermelon and tomatoes.
• 5:56
  There's the red, right? Why are you using a petroleum based, you know, synthetic chemical that has been proven to cause cancer? Why did this just keep going for so long and give cancer to so many people? Know, on the other side, do they are they going after one thing, blaming that, but then still pushing all these other things that are causing cancer like when Aspartame was targeted as being a carcinogen and then saccharin then gets pushed as being a great other alternative which is really the same thing. And so there are things that you kind of look at it and you go, okay, I get it but I'm I'm open and interested in I don't I don't need to wait for these headlines.
• 6:43
  I know that these things are synthetic. I'm going like God's way. I'm going with Whole Foods or whatever it is. That's the kind of ethos that I believe is these are the survivors and the thrivers in in 2024 and beyond.
• 6:56
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. You you mentioned, aspartame or aspartame, as you say it. And asp so that's one of them. It's like or it's like, oh, there's no aspartame, but there's sucralose, or there's something else. And, again, but you also you hit the nail on the head though and saying, okay.
• 7:09
  They're they're kind of saying, okay. Hey. We're banning this thing. This is May maybe this is part of the agenda, which, you know, if you pull this up and look at that, okay. They're banning food dye red three, which is great.
• 7:19
  Right? But then this is my hesitancy with the whole MAHA movement, you know, and, like, the, you know, Casey and Callie Means, etcetera. It's like, okay. Well, are we gonna see a transformation of no more cancerous breakfast cereal, or are we gonna repeal the act of 86? Are we gonna, like, actually have open conversations about vaccine injury, about the COVID vaccine, about Operation Warp Speed?
• 7:41
  And one of concerns I do have is, are they gonna make us feel like we're winning because they're banning these food substances when the vaccine just still in full force? And it's kinda funny because I was at Yeah. The the post office today. I do I had to mail a return for Kate, and I it was weird, though, because I I walk in there, and there's these signs all over the counter. Mercury in shipping.
• 8:03
  And it says no mercury in shipping. It says mercury can cause serious harm to the USPS workers, etcetera. So it's like no thermometers, you know, whatever. And I was almost I almost asked the lady. I was in a hurry, I didn't.
• 8:15
  Almost asked her. Was like, okay. So there's no mercury in the shipping, yet there's mercury in all the vaccines they're shoving into the little kids. Right? It's and this is the same thing.
• 8:24
  It's like they might say, oh, wow. We've we've banned mercury from, you know, food or whatever. It's like, well, how about we talk about the real thing, which is, like, why is autism where it's at? Why are all these you know, why do we have massive cases of turbo cancer? Like, no one at least I hope so they will, but I'm not seeing Trump coming out and saying, you know what?
• 8:43
  Operation Warp Speed has now been is now responsible for massive spikes in cancer around the world, but I hope we get there. Like, I really I hope we do. But the thing is is that regardless of whether the administration sees it or not, what gives me hope is that we, the people, are seeing it.
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: You got it. You got it. That's our hope right there, and that's what means that whoever's in office, don't don't outsource your power. Be critical like Seth was just then even though he supports the initiatives and the great things that are happening with the new administration. He's still able to be critical even of the people that he, you know, has respect for.
• 9:18
  Always be critical. Always be vigilant. Don't outsource your power. Make your choices based on what you ascertain to be true. Only you can be responsible for your own actions.
• 9:28
  You can't blame anyone else today. You've got access to information. We don't I said 2024. We're in 2025. I gotta get used to saying we're in a new year.
• 9:37
  So we're in 2025, and and so access to information has never been better. So use that to your advantage. And I think what's really exciting, Seth, is that we have this residual damage as a result of all these things and all the things we can't control. We've talked about chemtrails, and we've talked about all kinds of things. And there there are so many things we don't have power over, and that we have tools available to help us turn all these types of problems around.
• 10:05
  And that's what's really great. And, I know what we talked about just a moment ago before we went live, you and I, about your wife, Kate, with what was going on with her thyroid is a great example of something that could become that horrific cancer diagnosis and that you've got you've got young children. And you know, this matters. We can't afford for this to be happening to anyone, great leaders like you and Kate. And because of what we know and some of the research we're going to talk about and this great piece with, Mel Gibson with Joe Rogan is a great illustration point because you your wife is doing some of these things and other things that that weren't discussed there.
• 10:46
  So we've got great hope because we have great, knowledge information like what we're sharing today.
• 10:52
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. So I I wanna show the Joe Rogan, but before we do that, so doctor Patrick, Sun Shong, the owner of the LA Times, this guy's a renowned transplant surgeon, also the owner of the LA Times. He's probably he's a pretty powerful figure. Right? And so he oops.
• 11:10
  I'll let Lee actually pull that back up. So give me one second to pull it back up because I wanna I'd I'd close here it is actually okay. So he actually just came out, put this video out. So, again, so he's the owner of the LA Times. He's a renowned transplant surgeon.
• 11:26
  He's raising the alarms, the fallout of the mRNA COVID COVID nineteen vaccines, linking them to unprecedented deaths and cancers in children. So, again, LA Times, like, you know, this it's a serious newspaper. So the owner of that coming out and saying this let me go and play this. It's only, about less than a minute, but listen to this guy because what he's talking about you mentioned that, you know, I've got kids. You've got kids.
• 11:46
  Right? So what's happening with the children? I wanna I wanna listen to what he's saying because he's an important voice. And for for for people that are have been trying to, like, convince their family, hey. Don't get those COVID vaccines.
• 11:57
  Don't get those boosters. Don't give your kid that vaccine. This is a great piece to share with them because it's when you know, if I come out and say that, it's so easy for someone to say, okay. Who's this guy? Who's this man in America guy?
• 12:08
  He's just some tinfoil hat guy. But when you have someone prominent talking about it, it it really makes impact, and especially when you got Mel Gibson and Joe Rogan, which we'll get to next. But I'll play this video now because this needs to be needs to be seen and shared and viewed all over. This is fifty five seconds.
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: So this idea of the effectiveness and safety of the of the vaccines is real science. We need to talk about it. And guess what? Not only are we gonna have two big crises about the recovery of California over the next decade, but we're gonna have to address the rising incidence of cancer For the first time in my career, I've seen an eight year old, nine year old, 10 year old with colon cancer. The first time in my career, I have had a 13 year old child in our clinic die of metastatic pancreatic cancer.
• 13:01
  We have to face, this effectiveness and face reality. The good news is that we can do something about it. The good news now, there are effective therapies because we understand the science in such an immense way. So this idea of
• 13:19
  Seth Holehouse: So you got him talking about again, highlighting, and I've I've seen the same thing. You know, I've interviewed people, like Harry Fisher, the guy who he's a medic. Right? You know, ambulance guy. And he's he's telling me, I mean, it's it's sad, but he's like, gosh.
• 13:35
  He's like, I'm seeing so many kids that are having seizures that we don't understand. They're having strokes we've never seen before. This guy is saying we're seeing cancer we've never seen before in children. And so this is the harmful this is the bad part about it because as you mentioned, it's like, well, how long have we been consuming these things? And that's it for myself.
• 13:52
  Maybe I stopped eating the the, you the red dyes ten years ago or or eight years ago or whatever, but my whole childhood, I was eating. You know, my like, my mom cooked food, and she fed us. But look in the in the eighties and nineties, people weren't aware. Like, they just trusted, and so we were we had Froot Loops, or we'd have all kinds of stuff that, you know, not every day, but these are things that I also had. And so even though, you know, I've taken my health much more seriously, it's like how much how much is still kind of waiting and lingering in me that's just kind of like a ticking time bomb.
• 14:23
  I hope I'm getting rid of it through the detox that I'm doing and through red light and and, you know, methylene blue and all the different things I'm I'm doing. But is it like, you know, how much is is a ticking time bomb? Now, thankfully, I never got the COVID shot. I haven't had a vaccine since I was probably, you know, eight years old. Never had a booster.
• 14:40
  So, thankfully, I'm not adding new things to myself, but it is crazy to think about this. There's this new epidemic that's hitting our kids, which, like, the kids aren't supposed to get cancer. It's it's just it's crazy.
• 14:52
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• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. No one is supposed to get cancer. Children are early in their life. They for them to have the amount of toxins of a 80, 90 year old person is showing you that something is being put into them, that that is either they're either drinking it, inhaling it, getting it injected, on a regular basis or they had it in the womb, their mother had it, it was transferred to them, which is why you even see babies like days old get diagnosed with cancer. These examples, it's horrific.
• 17:14
  It should never happen. And we need to give we need to keep doing what exactly what you and I are doing right now and circulating this knowledge because there are ways out of this system, and there's ways to get all these toxins out of the body, and that's that's really, really great news.
• 17:32
  Seth Holehouse: I wanna say, you know, one of the best ways to get information out is go on Joe Rogan and talk about it. So here's this next piece. This is Mel Gibson who was recently on Rogan, and I'll play this. It's about a minute twelve, but this is and to me, this is this is major that these discussions are happening platform like Rogan. So, you know, I'll play this real quick.
• 17:52
  Especially coming it's not just some random guess. It's Mel Gibson. Right? He's, you know, a a hero of of many, especially on the conservative side. He's he's one of the few people that has fought against the system, and and and really been demonized so bad for it.
• 18:04
  But check this out.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you a good story.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: I have three friends. All three of them had stage four cancer. All three of them don't have cancer right now at all, and they had some serious stuff going on. And what did they take? Yep.
• 18:23
  Jesus. They took some what you've heard they've taken.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Ivermectin. Fenbendazole. Fenbendazole. Yeah. That's Yeah.
• 18:33
  I'm hearing that a lot.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: They drank hydrochloride something or other.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: There's studies on that now where people have proven that
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: they've drinking methylene blue and stuff
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: like that. Yeah. Methylene blue, which was a fabric style dye, and now they find it has profound effects on your mitochondria.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah. This stuff works, man.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of stuff that does work, which is very strange
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Mhmm.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Because, again, it's profit. When you when you hear about things that are demonized and that that turn out to be effective, you always wonder, well, what is going on here? Mhmm. How is how is our medical institutions how have they failed us so that things that do cure you are not promoted because they're not profitable?
• 19:18
  Seth Holehouse: And that's, I mean, that's huge. Them talking about ivermectin is curing cancer, phenbentazole is curing cancer. And I think that he was referring to chlorine dioxide. Right? I mean, if if I'm correct, you don't drink, what he's referencing there.
• 19:33
  Is that correct?
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah. Hydroxychloroquine, because he hydroxychloride, or he he he didn't know what he was saying, but he did this motion, like and then he said drinking methylene blue. But he don't do that. You put it as a capsule and you drink it.
• 19:51
  So I think because his friends had cancer and so he's just watching what they're doing. I think that they're talking about doing drinking chlorine dioxide. It'd be interesting to like quiz him out on that and ask his friends. But hydroxychloroquine does have an anti cancer agent as well and so it is effective and actually very effective. It still is a drug and so it still has some downsides.
• 20:16
  I wouldn't take it prophylactically and say, I'm going to use this to prevent cancer. But I would absolutely do that with chlorine dioxide because it's just an oxygen therapy. It's just sodium and chloride, which are both salts. And I just got a hit piece done on me because I've been talking about that by, like, a medical institute group that that try to go after people like me and Sherry Tenpenny and Peter McCullough and and so forth. But and then my rebuttal, they just they were they were like, well, sodium and chloride aren't salts.
• 20:47
  They're they're they're harmful such as such. It's like, they are salts. If you can't just admit basic facts and truths, then we don't have really any any talking points here. You just are are just shifting the the the playing field. No one cares about what you're saying.
• 21:01
  No one cares about you. They care about about knowledge and information. But, you know, as we talked about, high chlorine dioxide, if you're doing basic protocols on that, you can deliver around 10,700,000 oxygen molecules for every red blood cell in the body. That is an extremely effective anti cancer agent. Methylene blue is an oxygen therapy.
• 21:20
  They didn't mention red light therapy. Red light therapy is really what helps to activate the methylene blue. For me for me, wouldn't bother taking it at all if I wasn't using it red with a red light. Or if I was taking it, I'd make sure to take it, get into the sunlight because it still needs to be activated. But those things together, it's that it's such an important thing and this is what breaks my heart the most when I go into groups that talk about Fenbendazole or chlorine dioxide or other therapies for cancer.
• 21:48
  There's so many people in these groups that are dying still. To me, it's because they understand one area, they do that, but they don't have another supporting aspect of their health and healing journey. So if you're killing parasites, you're not improving the voltage of your body through something chlorine dioxide through, red light therapy, and and you're selectively then helping to target those cells, you're you're charging the mitochondria which is the powers powers of the cell and to produce adenosine triphosphate ATP. If you're not doing that then you're you're killing parasites but you're just lacking so much energy to to heal and to go and kill the you know the cancer cells and is a quite a nice well rounded approach that I was really excited and thrilled to see discuss. I just want more and more people to know these things because, know, health is a birthright.
• 22:37
  We all deserve it. God gave it to us from birth. It's been stolen from us. Knowledge is how you get it back and applied knowledge, of course.
• 22:44
  Seth Holehouse: No. I couldn't agree more. And, you mentioned, my wife, Kate. So we so our, daughter, Grace, is as of, like, yesterday. She's 11 old.
• 22:56
  Right? So she's she's, like, a month away from that one year. And so and so, Kaita, it was a pretty rough it was actually a very fast birth. I mean, the the whole birth only took about an hour, and, actually, it was so fast that, I ended up helping deliver a baby in the bathtub at home because our midwife, you know, who was you know, she's a very seasoned midwife, but we called her up, and she was like, oh, hey. You know, I'm like, hey.
• 23:17
  I think Kate's, you know, kind of, you know, she's telling me that it's time, and she's like, okay. I'll I'll work on getting over there. And, typically, it she gets a phone call maybe eight hours later, you know, twelve, whatever. But literally, within about an about, like, forty five minutes of that phone call, we she she gave birth. And but it was fast, but it doesn't mean that it was easy, and it wasn't intense.
• 23:37
  Right? And so she's had a lot of things kind of recovering. Her her recovery process has been has been long, but, you know, one thing that she's experienced was because she hasn't been sleeping well, because Grace is still feeding two or three times a night. She's just she's a healthy little baby, but she just wants, you know, she wants her mom, and she she feeds the night still. And so Kate has had a lot of extra stress on her system.
• 24:00
  And, you know, something that's very common, especially for, you know, postpartum, are thyroid issues. And so Kate's mom had thyroid issues when she was younger, and and the doctor just cut it out. Like, that was their solution. It's like, oh, it's giving you problems. We're just gonna remove it, which is just to me, it's like the most, like, barbaric form of medicine.
• 24:19
  It's like, oh, something in your body is not working right, so we're gonna just, like, open you up and slice it out and sew you up. It's like, that doesn't make sense.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Did did they did the surgery, or did they do radioactive iodine?
• 24:29
  Seth Holehouse: All that stuff for her mom, but then eventually end up cutting it out. And so for Kate, though, she notices this, like, kinda lump on her thyroid, and and she's talking to me. And so I talked to I talked to doctor Artis, and he he he recommended a protocol, which is great, and she's been doing that. But that's much more he said, look. He's like, is a six month protocol.
• 24:47
  We talked to you, and, you know, and I, you know, thankfully, like, I know you, so I can text you and call you and have these conversations, which I feel very lucky that I've got access to all these really smart people. Awesome. And you were just like, hey, man. Like, you said chlorine dioxide, red light therapy, and then you mentioned methylene blue. And that though that was you you gave some other things, but so, really, it's been a couple of week probably three or four weeks, she's really taken it seriously with the red light therapy.
• 25:13
  And and so CDS, chlorine dioxide, she's also been we've been doing it for quite some time now, but she got more serious about that. But she really believes that it was a red light therapy that I would say because I've I've felt it in the past couple of weeks, it's reduced in size by probably 50%. Like, it's it's probably half the size that it was. And and this is something, again, if we would have went the mainstream medicine, they would have done a biopsy. They would have then done you know, who knows what would have happened then, but they could have ended up doing some sort of radiation treatment, or they could have they could have, you know, cut it out.
• 25:47
  I mean, you never know. But she's just just by doing the red light, and I'm and she doesn't do it a lot. She might do it for ten or fifteen minutes two times a week. That's it. But she's just well, a, she loves it.
• 26:00
  And, like, it's funny because I I've done those interviews with you, so I know all about these things, and I've been doing it. And and she told me she's like, gosh. She's like, it's just so peaceful. Like, we have it set up on our bed in our our bedroom, I have it kind of so it's over the bed. She'll just lay down under the red light, and she just loves it.
• 26:15
  It's just like her little kinda quiet time. But, like, she has noticed a significant reduction in this kinda nodule, this lump on her thyroid. And and I believe when she because she has she's really in tune with her body, and she goes, look. She's like, I think, honestly, this is the vast majority of the the progress we're seeing with this is because of red light. And it which is just amazing because it it's like, we're so used to what we think medicine is that we think that medicine is pills, injections, etcetera.
• 26:42
  And but to think that shining a light on your body could dissolve, like, potentially cancerous lumps, it's it's hard for us to think. Like, sounds almost like woo woo. It's like, wait. Light therapy? It's almost like people sound sound therapy or Rife machine.
• 26:58
  It's like stuff just sounds like so woo woo, but actually, this is the real way that we heal ourselves. So I I wanna thank you for that. I mean, honestly, like, it's it's been, like, it's been really cool to act to see her regain confidence in her ability to heal her body. Because after after the birth and, you know, kind of dealing with a lot of post, you know, postpartum issues, she lost a lot of confidence, and she thought, like, gosh. I'm over 40 now, and I'm really, like, I'm really kinda heading downhill.
• 27:23
  And and I can tell with her that it was a lot of the other things, and then on top of that, it was this lump in her thyroid, and she just was losing her steam and her energy. And it's just like, I've seen a night and day difference from her. And so, anyway, thank you. Like, honestly, thank you for that because it's like, you know, I I you know, we own a we we own a red light setup. We've got one of the big panels.
• 27:42
  We use it regularly, and and I just I I'm so just grateful that I even know it exists because a lot of people I talk to, they're like, red red light. What's red light?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Wow. Oh, beautiful. Thank you, Seth. That that means a ton to me, and that's the rewarding part of this work. And it yeah it's firstly well thank you for trusting me because when I have a friend go through something I'm in that situation often where I am like speaking to deaf ears and I I just care about them.
• 28:19
  And even if they're like, you know, it's a relative that just sees the world so differently to me and they kind of think I'm a bit crazy and dumb or whatever they think because they just see things inside of a conventional model, I'm then in this situation where I just feel powerless and I'd just do anything to help them. But when somebody has an open heart and open ears, it just is beautiful because I'm so confident in the power of these things to solve these problems. And that's a great example. And she has young children. Yeah, they're rewards that you just feel inside your soul because those children don't know who I am or they, but we're all connected.
• 28:59
  And you know, there's a part that these are the things that I wish my parents knew, like that they knew not to give me all the vaccines that I got that gave me injuries as a child that I had to then unravel with chronic fatigue syndrome and Epstein Barr, Ross River fever, cytomegalovirus, Ross River fever, chronic dehydration, chronic nausea, boils breaking out through my body. And these were reactions to toxins that would and I was getting so many toxins and my parents didn't know. And my my mom is such a soft, soft heart. She would do anything, and she was always doing everything to try to help me. And so to have anyone that would just be in her life and she then looks back and like, people didn't vaccinate now that I look back at her, but I don't I didn't know why they never told me.
• 29:44
  And, she kinda wishes that they hadn't told her. Right? And it's just that's, you know, dying to have known. I wish I hadn't known this. And then how much different life looks as a result of that and what that means for our children and their children.
• 29:58
  That's that's beautiful, man.
• 30:01
  Seth Holehouse: It really is. And so but I I want you to, like, walk me through because I feel even though I've done so many interviews with you, I still feel like that I I my my understanding of how these things work is so elementary. So when you talk about red light being an oxygen therapy or, you know, the corn dioxide, CDS, how explain how that works. Like, what do you mean by that? Like, how does what what are the actual mechanisms of how red light will actually like, for my wife, for instance, like, how is it that this shining a light, an LED light, which we're we're we're raised actually, raised, but, like, a lot of us, you know, that are more awake and things, we we know that LED is typically bad for you.
• 30:37
  Right? Like, the the more kind of modern LEDs that are you know, if that's the only lighting you have in your house, it's not good. But so how is it that just this red LED light is able to shrink a a growth, in someone's neck? I mean, what what what is the mechanism for how that works?
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Awesome. So so I'll start with, you know, why LEDs are surprisingly the best and and and and why but but the the key player here that we give honor and all due respect to is the light. The light is the the mechanism that's effective and which is made by God. And we're just you know harnessing it and we're just using technology to harness something that God made that exists, which is light and both visible and invisible light especially in the optical window which is between 600 to, around 1,100 nanometers of penetration.
• 31:35
  So past 800 you can't see it then it's near. And then anything up to like 3,000 beyond is far infrared. And then a bit below that is mid infrared. So but that optical range is where you get all this activation of all these different factors that relate to your cells functioning and what makes them function well and normal. And so surprisingly, all it does is make your cells function normally, but then that has all these amazing benefits as a result of just normal functioning.
• 32:05
  So it just operates the way that it was meant to, the way God designed it to. You were meant to and if you look at your skin, you'll realize that you are a very translucent type being and you're you're neat you're actually quite unique from animals in that your ability to absorb light is even greater than than than other creatures. And they know how much they need light. You'll see even cold blooded animals. There's the crocodiles and the lizards out in the sun.
• 32:30
  If they don't, they die. And I I know that because I had a pet lizard once and and even it just it needs that it needs that type of light. It just will it'll everything will degenerate. Once you lose cellular health, you lose all health. The life is in the blood, it says in the bible, and the blood is is is a constitution of cells.
• 32:51
  The cells and the energy, what they need to thrive and effectively function is what makes up whether you're healthy or unhealthy. So the cool thing about with the LEDs is that unlike incandescent or halogen bulbs, about 90% of the power will go into heat with those so that you're seeing visible light. And you say, well, it's red, and it is. But 90% of that is going into the heat. So therefore, it's not going into the light.
• 33:23
  So the so but it's effective in that it's absorbed then by the water in your body, and it will raise your core body temperature and raising the core body temperature by 1% can increase your immunity, your immune system by 30 to 40%. So that's sort of powerful functioning but it's not being received then by the mitochondria which is what's in that optical range which is the visible and invisible up to, the near infrared up from around 600 to a thousand or 1,100. So that that optical window is is what is causing the cells, in this case, the electromagnetic waves, and you mentioned the oxygen, it's producing the, the bean shaped organelle or, aspect of the cell called the mitochondria is then, being charged, and then it's then able to produce adenosine triphosphate. And you look at the word phosphate, it's fluorescent. So it's actually producing these fluorescent aspects.
• 34:20
  So your your body has all these interesting fluorescent aspects. There is this aspect as well where the the reason why it's clearing out all the diseased and dying and damaged cells, which then would then drop something like a like these are these are non functioning cells if you're seeing like a like a tumor growth or something like this. They it's it's simply put, it's like zombie cells. Senescent cells is what they refer to. They're not functioning properly.
• 34:43
  They're not not functioning properly. They actually need to be cleared out of the body because they're taking energy from the body without giving you any benefit, and they're amassing in these lumps that then become problematic. All the then you see people, you know, swell up with these big tumors. So that reactive oxygen species that's produced through electromagnetic waves, especially in that optical range, which 90% for the LED, 90% of the power is going into the visible and invisible light. So they're working so much more powerfully.
• 35:10
  And all the studies that we've gone through are all on the light emitting diodes, LEDs, because that's where 90% of the power is going and you're getting that that function. And, and then your body's producing reactive oxygen species as a result of the stimulus of the electromagnetic waves. And that reactive oxygen species is like it says, oxygen that's reactive and reactive to what? And the answer is disease dying in cancerous cells. And it causes a process called apoptosis which is programmed cell death.
• 35:37
  That oxygen actually will feed healthy cells and kill unhealthy cells. That's the mechanism. And there's another process called cytochrome c oxidase which is an enzyme that is the critical factor for respiration of cells. So again, respiration, the oxygenation of the body and then also nitric oxide signaling is also activated through red light therapy. So there are some of the mechanisms that are going on and why people are getting all different types of results.
• 36:09
  And then you've got when the mitochondria are being fed, that's also helping with all the stem cell production of the body, producing more stem cells, allowing those stem cells to mature into healthy cells. People then are feeling better. They they look younger. They feel younger because they're they're actually like they're activating all these young and healthy cells, making them mature properly.
• 36:30
  Seth Holehouse: I see. So that's why it makes sense, and so that's why it's it's not not not gonna say it's a silver bullet, like, or kind of a a kind of one one size fits all, but that's why you see people that are using red light for like, actually, it's funny because, you know, I have one of one of your red light hats. And I started wearing it there to excite. You know, I've got I've got good hair. Thankfully, I'm, you know, I'm in I'm almost 40, but I've still got a head of hair just like you.
• 36:53
  But, you know, I I can tell it's thinning a little bit. I'm like, know, I'm gonna wear my hat. So I started wearing the hat. We were watching I think we're watching Lord of the Rings, which is one my favorite movies anyway. I put my hat on.
• 37:02
  I was like, oh, this is great. Like, I, know, wear my red light hat. But, again, I think mentioning that kinda one size fits all, I think it's why you see that, you know, red light is used for hair growth. It's used for, you know, skin. You know, women are using it for antiaging.
• 37:15
  People are using it for cancer and for tumors, and, you know, I see people using it for, you know, recovery, you know, post workout recovery, muscle recovery. I mean, it's it's kind of you know, it's a pretty broad thing. And so now I know that you we've got a couple of videos that you sent me that we should bring up because it's also good to see some other examples of this. So I wanna bring up this woman here who had skin cancer, breast cancer risk, and thyroid cancer So if it's okay with you, I'll play this for a cup I think it's maybe one or two minutes, and then we'll kinda go from there. How's that sound?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Sounds awesome.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: To start recommending red light therapy to his patients. I decided to wait for my first three month follow-up before filming this video, and I'm really glad I did because there's a little more to share. As I said, I really like that this dermatologist errs on the side of caution. He has me come in every three months for a full body check. At the first three month check they did three more biopsies on some small moles.
• 38:12
  These were not new moles or even moles that had changed but as you can see at the top of all my medical records now it says history of malignant melanoma. So there's no more watching and waiting which is okay with me. For some reason, this time it took a month to get the pathology report, which was a pretty darn stressful wait. And of course, there was no way I was going to be filming until I got those results. While waiting, I came across this really great video that shows the progression of a melanoma from the in situ zero stage to invasive to beyond invasive to stage four.
• 38:46
  There'll be a link in the description to the full video. It is really enlightening. Look how slow the melanoma on the right progresses for the first seven years. If you compare my photo on the left to the progression on the right, you'll see they look to be about the same around the seven and a half to eight year mark. Now watch how it just takes off hitting stage four in just over a year.
• 39:07
  A few months after my photos were taken I was doing red light therapy. In the time it takes for this person's melanoma to rapidly reach stage four I'm doing daily red light, my melanoma never progresses, my thyroid nodules have stopped growing, and the lump in my breast disappears. Remarkable coincidence, or did red light therapy save my life? A few weeks ago, I finally got the results of those three biopsies, and they all came back fine. Thank goodness.
• 39:34
  With the close eye they keep on me scheduling rechecks every three months I feel confident anything worrisome will be caught quickly. But I also feel confident with my daily use of red light therapy there probably won't be anything there warranting a biopsy. As you can probably imagine with the remarkable last year I've experienced with red light therapy, soaking in red light feels better than ever now.
• 39:55
  Seth Holehouse: So that's a great, that's a great view. You've also got a story, but with this woman. Yeah,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: if you don't mind just going back to that one quickly.
• 40:02
  Seth Holehouse: Sure, yeah, yeah.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: It was I think it's $6.50. Go back to that part because I think we started it maybe at seven. Was it no. Yeah. Go back to the playhead that is what's that?
• 40:15
  That's maybe 05:50 is what I meant. Like, go all yeah to that section yeah and go back to the start of that section that you're at the end of. We play that one?
• 40:28
  Seth Holehouse: No we didn't. I'll play it now.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah let's see.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: I take the report to my current dermatologist and I'm telling him about it before he has a chance to look it over and he says this is probably a different mole we're talking about but as he reads through the report and sees the photo he was shocked. The mole was noted as being in the very position and having the same appearance as the melanoma he had just taken off. Not to mention the fact that there were no other moles on the back of my thigh. The other shock came when he checked the wound. It had healed so quickly the scar was barely visible.
• 40:58
  Before this appointment my doctor had hesitantly said I could continue with my daily red light therapy. But now, having seen the history of this melanoma and how quickly it healed using red light therapy, he told me to continue exactly what I was doing. He also asked what red light panels I was using and said he might actually have to start recommending red light therapy to his patients. I decided to wait for my first three month follow-up before filming this video and I'm
• 41:23
  Seth Holehouse: really sorry. Started there.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: And that's where we started. Awesome.
• 41:26
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Great.
• 41:29
  Seth Holehouse: Incredible. So, you want to comment on this or do want should I play the other one?
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I think that I because she had the issues with her thyroid, she had the issues with her breasts and with this melanoma and so, like people are thinking, often very specifically, I'm just going to go after this one issue that I have or I'm concerned about the breast cancer risk so I'm just going to do this. But the issue is systemic. She it it's like a like a prairie dog situation. You plug up one hole, it pops up another hole, you plug up that hole.
• 42:00
  The cells aren't functioning properly. She gives her body what it needs, and then all of those risk factors all, in her case, diminished to, I got no problems now. I don't have any markers. I feel amazing. And then you know she even thought you could see that she looks great too.
• 42:17
  And right? So it's just that that whole thing where the the breast, the thyroid and those are very sensitive areas for women. The thyroid is, you know, for every one man that experiences a thyroid disease, ten women will experience a thyroid disease. The thyroid is more sensitive. And then you've got and then the melanoma of the skin.
• 42:39
  So all these areas that matter to people cosmetically and to women and to men then having being remedied as well as then system then actually helping the the issue and overcoming the the problem at its root, giving people results in those categories. So this is just a really great case study. It's similar to the one that we're about to show with the people that use the the red light panels, from us to get the result that you're about to see there.
• 43:07
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. So I'll play the other one. Actually, one thing I also wanna mention is I know that I'll have to ask Kate too because I know that she had some sort of lump in her breast as well that she was worried about. It was a little bit painful. But I I haven't heard her complain about that as well.
• 43:20
  So I'm curious, though, if if if she's also noticed something there because Yeah. You just yeah. He makes a good point. It's like it's not just we're so used to you see one particular symptom, and you treat that one symptom. Right?
• 43:33
  It's like, oh, I've got x happening on my on my skin, so you treat that one thing, where this is so holistic. So here's the other video. This is Elizabeth. I'll play I'll play this, and let me know when to stop because you you know this video better than I do.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. No problem.
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: Good. Another lady that watched the undefeated challenge with Shanda and Jonathan also bought the big package and I she told me that she got diagnosed with Graves' disease and I don't know if it's hypo or hyper and I told her put put the red light right on your thyroid and they told her she had to be on all kinds of medicines that three things were off. She was really scared about it. She had no energy. Her iron level had dropped.
• 44:11
  Everything was she couldn't even run anymore. She was so depressed. I said, stand in front of it thirty minutes a day. This is a girl that, I know right now. This is just now happening to a woman.
• 44:23
  And she's been doing that since I suggested for like two and a half weeks or so and she lives in another state and she's almost all of her blood work has changed almost she they said what what she goes I don't have it I don't have Graves' disease I'm willing it away she's almost going to be off the medication and the only thing she was doing is sitting in front of the red light on her thyroid thirty minutes a day I think that's an amazing testimonial put it there stand in front of it thirty minutes a day. She was even told she's running in the New York marathon this weekend. The doctor said, no, you can't do that. You don't have enough energy in your body. You're too run down.
• 45:04
  And I said, don't listen to that. Don't listen. Shannon, Jonathan will tell you don't listen to that, take care of yourself and do what you need to do and get strong and she's running in it this weekend, she's going to run-in it. I mean she could barely walk, she couldn't much less run and so I said just trust me on this one. Just put it right there.
• 45:22
  I'm not a doctor, you know, or Jonathan or anything, but I just said, try it. What do you have to lose? Try it. Just do it. And now she's gonna run-in the marathon.
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: Oh my gosh.
• 45:32
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• 45:53
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• 46:42
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• 47:00
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• 47:14
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 47:15
  Seth Holehouse: That's so good. Was it that's that's the thing is that it well, I'm glad that you what you're seeing is that now these doctors are opening up to it. Right? But one thing that I'll I'll comment, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this is that I'm consistently surprised with how little treatment is required. Because I know that we've looked at a lot of studies, and a lot of, like, NIH or PubMed studies.
• 47:36
  And what you'll see is, say, whether it's for long COVID or non Hodgkin's lymphoma or melanoma, whatever it is, and you look at the study, it's not it it's never you know, this patient did red light therapy for six months and saw a 30% reduction in their tumor size. It's more they did four sessions of thirty minutes apiece, or they did, you know, three weeks worth of sessions, and their tumor disappeared or reduced by 75% or long COVID symptoms disappeared after three sessions. Like, it's amazing how little it takes. Like, even with Kate, like, she's probably only done the red light maybe 10 or 12 times. That's it.
• 48:16
  And maybe she you know, maybe some, you know, some nations say it's five minutes. Sometimes it's it's twenty minutes or thirty minutes, but maybe she's averaging fifteen, twenty minutes perhaps. But it's only been a handful of times, and that's also what's just incredible to me is that we're so used to this this idea that, okay, you have this thing. It's gonna take us six months or a year to get rid of this tumor, or we have to cut it out and there's all that kind of stuff with it too. But, I mean, how is it, like, how is it that this these transformations happen so quickly?
• 48:44
  It it it doesn't seem normal for what we're used to.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Exactly. No. It is amazing for sure. And and and I'm seeing both in the results that we're sharing and in the clinical studies the same thing that you're seeing and then I'm always also conservative and I'll say look it's a life is like a marathon versus a sprint and expect a longer period but be excited if and when it's it's much shorter which is which is amazing.
• 49:15
  And then and then but also be aware of the fact that if it's not happening as quick as it ought to then what are you lacking that would help that therapy? For example, a photosensitizer like methylene blue or even green tea or berberine. Berberine, a very natural, could be taking this with the red light about an hour or so before you get in. You could get on ChatGPT. What photosensitizers work best for these conditions?
• 49:44
  Which ones are natural that I can easily get a hold of? How soon? How long should I take this before I get in front of the red light because how quickly is it absorbed? Methylene blue is quite immediate, so you can just take it get in front. Whereas the other ones, know, that one to three hours typically, curcumin.
• 50:01
  But the reason why it's so quick, Seth, is because that it's interfacing with the cells and the cells function. And that's an immediate response because you're taking, let's say if you're taking a supplement, you're waiting for that to be absorbed and you're waiting for the cycle of that or if you're taking something else, it has to go through the digestive process and it's different. But you think about light, light is immediately absorbed. That's interfacing immediately. So like for example, the study, because it's a good underscoring point if you have it there on the slide, which is the breast cancer study, is on page 99 of that document.
• 50:45
  And I'll just start talking about it. But, in this case, it was in vitro. So it's in it's a study in a petri dish, but it's human cells. They radiate with, in this case, four different wavelengths. And we've talked about this before, but it's a really great one to think about.
• 51:00
  It was six fifteen, six 30, six 60 and seven 30 but it was only in this case six sixty that was able to drop the cell proliferation. So the, replication rate of that cancer, the reason why that you've got a problem with the cancer in this case, in this case both negative and non negative triple negative, sorry, triple negative and non triple negative breast cancer. And so then twenty four hours after it's irradiated by light, then they're looking at the cells and finding that in twenty four hours, there's the 40% drop as you can read directly there and there's the clinical study that is directly showing you that result in both cell lines, both negative and non negative with a 40% reduction in cell viability of the tumor. So massive drop, short period of time. It's awesome.
• 51:54
  And then again, and this goes into wavelengths, making sure you've got the right wavelengths. Most devices don't have either the right wavelengths or enough wavelengths to signal the various types of things that people either would have or want to prevent. And it which is why you you to me, I'd always say do do red and near infrared at the same time because it's it's a double it's a double hit and they're both signaling, for example, different processes, things that are deeper. Near infrared is going get to the bone, going to get to the lungs, going to get inside the brain. Six sixty example is going to get into the dermis and the epidermis but not much further but that's the target.
• 52:35
  It needs to land there. It can't be further. It can't be shorter. It's got to be at that wavelength. And hence why it was the only one out of the four wavelengths that was studied to be able to prove that result.
• 52:46
  And the blockbuster one that we've shared before as well on page 97 is a great underscoring of that point as well. And in this case, they're using six thirty nanometer wavelength. And a cool thing there is the device that you're using, Seth, with RetinLife, my my company, it's using six thirty, six sixty.
• 53:08
  Seth Holehouse: Actually, Jonathan, your audio, for some reason, just shifted.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Okay. Thank you.
• 53:13
  Seth Holehouse: It sounded like your audio went to a different microphone source. Oh, there you go. Perfect.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yep. Oh, thanks, man. You you got a good ear. So the the 63660 are in the device that that you have as well as eight ten, eight 50, nine 40, nine 80, 10 60 which are everything from 800 up is near infrared and then everything from down is red and then there's one blue wavelength which is four eighty which is the circadian rhythm and skin rejuvenation. And but here you see an example of the six thirty nm wavelength and then they're covering the surface area for four hours after exposure and then they're using a photosensitizer.
• 53:56
  A little harder to get a hold of but it's called aminoluvulinic acid. And then you'll see the clinical result that in that pilot study, which is from 02/2006, that you could see there highlighted all the treated patients had complete remission. And then in this period of time, again, it was defined as a clinical and histologic complete absence of CBCL, cutaneous B cell lymphoma after a maximum of two photodynamic therapy sessions which is photobiomodulation, red light therapy or light therapy with a photosensitizing agent, in this case ALA. But then here's the next bite at a one week interval. So no patient experienced that particular side effects and the pain was easily managed.
• 54:39
  And then there's an image there on page 94 of the effective treatment there for the patient. And then it's and you can see visibly and this is all straight from PubMed and yeah, gone, right? And the clinical study showing that result that we just just read. And then not to mention all the amazing we just saw one on melanoma. You can see that on page 90 and the results on the following page from their clinical study.
• 55:11
  That's page ninety and ninety one. The and like the result there, you can see that it's showing that a lower dose of red light therapy reduced cell growth without increasing cell death, while a higher dose did not increase cell death in mice. High doses of red light significantly slowed tumor growth and boosted immune cell activity without causing skin irritation. Overall, red light therapy appears to be a promising safe treatment option for melanoma potentially enhancing immune responses. There are examples of ones where, you know, people would be more concerned.
• 55:44
  Okay, well, I've got a skin issue. I don't know if I should do this or not. Page 106, you see the prostate cancer study. This one was amazing because it is four thirteen participants. We showed a really small study.
• 55:58
  The first breast cancer one was in vitro so it's human cells but in the petri dish. The lymphoma was real people but a small group. Now here's a four thirteen person case study and forty nine percent are completely in remission within that two year period. And the control group, you look at the result, the comparison, if you didn't take red light therapy in that context, it was only thirteen point five percent. So your likelihood is four times greater.
• 56:25
  And this is also keeping in mind that these people are generally all doing chemo, surgery, and radiation. So this is also skewing results that's causing these numbers to be lower. Because chemo can kill you. And I'm glad we can talk about this on this platform because often I have to allude, you know, the platform doesn't allow it. I kinda have to get people to do their own research.
• 56:50
  But chemo is killing people, surgery is killing people, and it's causing the cancer to spread. That's dropping this result to forty nine percent because but what if they did it more concentrated? In this case, they used a deep sea bacteria. I think that these and and what if what if the people that didn't get better, they had amalgams in their mouth? That's a massive cancer causer.
• 57:09
  You know, so I'm not the guy that's saying, Oh, just do this and everything's going to be great. Get amalgams out of your mouth, but do it with a biological dentist. Look at other therapies like all the ones we discussed and, you know, the antiparasitics, removing that toxic burden or decreasing it. And so these are the great takeaways there. And then on page 104, see the bone cancer studies, which you would think that you can't get that deep, but you absolutely can.
• 57:39
  And so you see phototherapy is emerging as an effective treatment for bone cancer primarily utilizing near infrared which is again 800 and up to around 1,100 light for its deep tissue penetration with minimal side effects. Can generate, again remember, reactive oxygen species through photodynamic therapy which is photodynamic is when it's using a photosensitizer. The next screen shows that screenshot straight from PubMed. And then lung cancer which we've shared as well in page 101, photodynamic therapy, proved an alternative for palliative chemotherapy or radiotherapy in unresectable lung cancer as it achieved an overall response of nearly eighty seven percent and improved patient quality of life. And the following slide shows that clinical study result.
• 58:23
  So lung cancer, hard to treat, claims more lives than any other cancer more than prostate, breast, colon cancer combined. And so these are great, and prostate cancer, more than all of those combined. So even if somebody had like a breast cancer or something like that, they should still think, okay, well lung cancer could still be a bigger issue for me because the fatality rate is higher. Do something that is encompassing everything, not just going after one issue. Like, you you need overall, health.
• 58:53
  You need cellular health, and that's what we're talking about here.
• 58:58
  Seth Holehouse: And so I know that I'm seeing red light therapy just take off. Like, you know, regularly on Twitter, I'm seeing, you you know, these threads going viral. You're seeing ads all over the place for it. I know that there's a lot of different options in in the marketplace for red light. Amazon.
• 59:13
  You can go to Amazon and get, you know, you can get tons of red light packages on Amazon. You can go to, like, the superhuman stuff and pay, you know, $58,000 for some of their setups. But, you know, you you also you sell red light. We we've had a lot of a lot of people that have been, you know, been buying a lot of red light stuff. And so but walk us through because you see all these different like, it it's a little confusing.
• 59:35
  Like, you know, eight you know, six thirty or whatever nanometers and everything, and it's it's a little confusing. So walk us through, like, the different options of, like, what someone should look for, whether they buy from you or from somebody else. Like, educate them on the buying process.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. So the the things that you're looking for is, number one would be irradiance with the amount of power delivered per centimeter squared or milliwatts per centimeter squared. So that would be number one. Number two or close behind number two, the wavelengths that are relative to overall health and any condition you or a loved one may be facing.
• 1:00:13
  And then the third one would be any issues with like toxicity, like EMF. And so those would be the three hitters. And then after that would be durability, like is this going to like last? And then safety would fall after that. The interesting enough that some of the problems with incandescent and halogen is that they're so hot and they don't have safety timers and and so you could forget to turn that off, and they they have been known to start house fires.
• 1:00:43
  That being said, if if that's all that somebody can afford, as I mentioned, 90% of the power is going to go into the heat versus into the light, and the irradiance, sadly, is a lot lower. But if that's all people could gotta get ahold of, it's going to help them. And so don't don't not do something because you feel like it you know, it's not perfect. Don't don't like it's not it's it's gonna help you so much. And so I'm a big believer in all of these things as as with sunlight.
• 1:01:12
  But so irradiance. So with with our devices, it's over 205 milliwatts per centimeter squared at three inches. So that's at the the highest you know, irradiance that you could find. And a and a lot of them even the beds, a lot of them can actually only sit at around, 50, which is super surprising. 50 at at around at the surface or the three inch mark, 50 milliwatts per centimeter squared versus the 200.
• 1:01:41
  So I've I've actually been seeing how much the the panels are outperforming even the beds that people are getting into by, you know, the big brands that people go in, and they they have but, like, they just I don't know. To me, they didn't have the incentive to try to make their technology better or whatever it was. And, again, they they still are working and they're getting good results, but they're they're super expensive. You gotta wait in line or, you know, the people are, you know, going to clinics where the clinic is buying it for a hundred thousand dollars. But surprisingly, only difference is you just turn around so that you can cover your surface area.
• 1:02:14
  But it's but the milliwatts, the amount of the irradiance is higher, surprisingly, in the at home devices, which why you're seeing these great results like what you guys are getting. The wavelengths, is you've got, six thirty, like I like I mentioned. So four eighty is blue, then you got six thirty, six 60, that's the red. Then you've got eight ten and eight fifty, and nine forty, nine 50, and, sorry, nine eighty and ten sixty. They're all the near infrared from the 800 up.
• 1:02:43
  So what we did is have all of those wavelengths in the device that allows then people to get a like, the mixture of what is replicated in the sun. So you've got all these different wavelengths that are proven to have different functions, which you can see on slide like from 36 onwards or 35 onwards. And so what this is doing is it's cytochrome c oxidase is being that the activation of this enzyme is happening at these different intervals. So you're activating at four eighty. You're activating cytochrome c oxidase at this level of the body at six thirty.
• 1:03:24
  So simultaneously doing this is is really quite amazing and why people are getting great results. And it does replicate when you go out into the sun. It's not just one wavelength. It's actually all the wavelengths, but it's so it's replicating that, but yet giving you a greater power density, which is then what you can get from the sun. Because, like, why do this if you could just get it from the sun?
• 1:03:44
  And I would just be telling people just go to the sun, but the results people are getting with the panels is much better because it's like you're bringing the power of the sun into your home and you're getting so close to it, and, that is going into this. And you can obviously be fully, naked in front of it, which most people can't do, if unless you're, you know, really off in the boondocks. But and then the next slide. And but the results are so much better because, you know, you've had sunlight exposure. Kate has.
• 1:04:13
  You guys have got the results you just got or achieved, the ones that you just saw. It's not that the women that we just shed had never been in the sun. Everyone goes into the sun a little bit per day. Why did they get these results? And it's just because it's just a more powerful delivery system.
• 1:04:28
  And then so you've got weight loss and fat burning signal that these wavelengths, cellulite reduction, metabolism, anti aging and you can keep scrolling down and you'll see all the different wavelengths that are signaling these different processes. These are all clinical studies back all this is just in a very easy to consume form, acne scars, rosacea, hair growth, sun damage, but some of them are proven and some of them aren't. So then you definitely want six sixty for hair growth because that's the most proven. Sun damage, wrinkles, fine lines are scoring in these different categories. So you're signaling each of these points to deeper and more shallow extents at the same time.
• 1:05:06
  And that's why there aren't other devices on the market. You can't go and find other eight wavelength devices. It is a specific technology that we developed with the FDA class two certified manufacturers that were able to make this happen and give the three year warranty and all of that to back it with the high quality that you see in this with a hundred thousand rated lifespan hours, which means that it's a lifetime use, which is great. Droopy eyelids, under eyed circles, broken capillaries, and you can see each category if you go down. Then you've got the nine forty and nine eighty, pain relief, wound healing, injury healing, oral health even with the gums and the teeth, muscle building, athletic performance, if you keep going there, post recovery workout, mental stamina, cognitive performance, and then asthma, depression, anxiety, which you mentioned, Kate, feeling better, and that could be part of it.
• 1:05:54
  Like, you think, oh, maybe I just feel better because I feel like I'm getting on top of things or but it actually could just help with these things. Everyone struggles to some degree with depression, anxiety, I'd say that. Tinnitus, arthritis, multiple sclerosis, and then of course the big hit is like stem cell regeneration, Parkinson's disease, hypertension, liver function. People are battling cancer because of liver function almost always. So like improve the liver function, improve the health of the body, it's the detoxifying agent, breast cancer and then all these other categories from fertility and sperm mobility, herpes, eye health.
• 1:06:26
  Getting eyesight back, we shouldn't have eyesight declining the way that we are. People can reclaim these things. And then the four eighty specifically is with acne, circadian rhythm, skin rejuvenation and wound healing and autophagy. So that kind of gives you an idea of why the different wavelengths and then just the accessibility of being able to use this on a stand like lie down like you are on the bed and all these different great tools. We've, you know, done some really great bundles there.
• 1:06:52
  You can see on the page, and we can tell people where to visit. And but that that but to give you a good response there, those are the categories I'd look for with whatever people do, whatever they're choosing. Look at those categories and then a 0% a zero EMF emission at four inches. So you you want, like, low low to no EMF emission. Those those are the categories I think that people should be looking for.
• 1:07:13
  Seth Holehouse: You know, I'll be I I wanna jump to your website after this, but one thing I'll mention is that, you know, we've been looking into getting a sauna. And I I think that we're gonna end up actually just building a, you know, traditional, kind of, kinda hot rocks sauna. Probably had a cedar as one of our, you know, kinda spring projects. But I was looking into first getting an infrared sauna, and one thing I noticed is that, you know, you can go on Amazon, and you can find them. They're, like, you know, a thousand bucks.
• 1:07:39
  For a nice, you know, looking you know, it's you know, say it's cedar or hem Canadian hemlock or whatever infrared sauna, but there's also companies that sell the same looking thing for 5,000. And one of the big differences I know was actually EMF. And the more I dug into it is what everyone's saying is, yeah, you can you can buy the cheap Amazon one, but you're sitting inside a microwave. And I suspect it's similar with red light stuff that, yeah, you can find the the a red light panel on Amazon for $500, but the question is, what's it putting off? How much dirty, you know, EMF is gonna be coming off of that?
• 1:08:14
  Where you mentioned low EMF and for, you know, what yours is. So let me go and pull up your website here, which is myredlight.com, which I'll I'll make sure that's in in the description. But, walk us through the products you have on here. And, also, one thing I'll actually I'm gonna just yeah. I have a little announcement, is that because I know that we had we did a handful of interviews before Christmas, and you guys just blew up.
• 1:08:40
  Right? And I've warned people before, hey. You know, like, the the Man America audience, they're smart. When they see something good, they know it, and and they're gonna go buy it. And so I know you had a a huge influx of orders, and we kinda broke some of your systems, right, which is a good thing because it's like, you know, I love supporting, you know, small businesses, especially, you know, Patriot owned ones.
• 1:08:58
  But I know that now you you've really gotten back on top of things from the big holiday rush, but the other thing is that, and I'll post back up, but for anybody that has a question or say, you know, you've got your own customer service team, etcetera, but we've also opened up an email that we're monitoring. So the email help@maninamerica.com, If anyone has any issues, not just for red light stuff, but any of the affiliates, advertisers, partners, or anybody that comes on the show that we're talking about these products, if there's any questions that folks have or they, you know, they they're they're waiting on an order, they can't figure out when it's gonna come. As a backup, you've got help @maninamerica.com. So just just to make sure that there's nothing falling through the cracks for anybody because, you know, you know, we talk all the time that it's so important to maintain just the the trust, but it's also good to know that, like, you know, you know, we're not we're not, you know, Walmart where we've got these massive Chinese factories and everything's on on auto order and, you know, these are small businesses, and this is a this is a part of the process.
• 1:09:57
  So, anyway, help at maninamerica.com is that. I'll go back to your website here. So myredlight.com, scrolling down. So here's the different packages that you have. I believe and I might be mistaken.
• 1:10:12
  Is this the one that we have? The the full body 1,500 watt?
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Exactly. Correct.
• 1:10:17
  Seth Holehouse: Okay. So, yeah, this is the exact one that we have in our home. It has the stand and everything. There are stands white, but, yeah, it's it's basically this is it. So we we have the full, full body panel, but as you can see here, they start at a couple hundred bucks.
• 1:10:33
  I mean, you don't have to you don't have to spend that kind of money. So walk us through, like, what the different avail you know, what what are the different packages that you have, and and what do you recommend for folks to get started?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. The the really cool thing to for people to understand as well is that with, you know, the with the clinics you go to, for example, if you get in a really chronic state, then people end up going and spending, you know, $40,000 for three weeks at, I won't mention the clinics names, but, they'll, you know, there's, yeah, there's all these these groups and they they have to, you know, charge larger amounts of money because they got people waiting in your hand and foot and they they've got all these structural costs. But when people make good investments, and they do things that help take care of their health, they're they're really setting themselves up for success. So and they end up saving money. So that's the first thing I would say that for people to really think about, like, kinda think about your health and your life and what it's gonna take to prevent any massive medical bill because people get desperate at that point.
• 1:11:32
  They'll spend anything because your life then is more important than any money that you have. And then and those are big things. But then surprisingly as well, like when people eat like, let's say if people are going to do a full body device, it's if you took one of the single cheapest supplements, it's it's just so much more cost effective even than a single supplement. I have a supplement company that's got real no interest to say that because supplement companies do great by people continuing to reorder their products. But, you know, one item, let's say a $50 supplement over the year is gonna be $600 but you don't own it then after that, it's gone, it's being consumed.
• 1:12:11
  Whereas a red light therapy device, you've got that after two years, that's $1,200 And you can get cheaper supplements than that, but just it's a good reference point. That's $1,200 after two years. That's one person. If it's two people, you and Kate, then times that by 2, dollars 20 4 hundred dollars just for two years. And I'm talking about, like, what are you gonna do decades into the future?
• 1:12:32
  So it's so much cheaper. You people can break it up into payment plans through, like, groups like PayPal or Affirm or but those those options are there for people. But then in terms of looking at those items, yeah, so you could get a, like, a handheld device there, put it, like the Precision 60 watt, put it over certain areas of the body and target. And there's some, supplements that are there coming in as a, like, a special that we're running right now. So you get those as free additional gifts with some great information products, as you can see.
• 1:13:02
  And then with the Full Body Device, you've got Cancer Decoded, documentary series that's a game changer. So that information is powerful. You know, we sell that program for $300, but it's a free gift. So you kind of and the stands typically will cost a few hundred dollars with giving that as a free gift. The belt is also you know, it's a couple hundred dollars to to buy that.
• 1:13:25
  You're getting that as a free gift. So we made it just, like, really attractive and took like that premise of how do we really support people and help people. You got a targeted 500 watt device there, which is you can see the price there, but it's got all eight wavelengths frequencies in that device. You've got, and again, know, it's a great a great tool, great program there. You can go down and then you've got several other options for people that want to like get, know, everything they want, the the cosmetic aspects, the hair regrowth, the hat, the precision devices.
• 1:13:58
  And so it's kind of designed for, okay, what is it that you need? And then here's a package that really will suit your needs and be a game changer for you. So we've made those available for people and it's really exciting. And so, yeah, they're all available there. You've got Elizabeth, when she was sharing her story, the parts that we didn't share of her story was all the deep fine line wrinkles.
• 1:14:23
  You'd look at her face and you'd say, don't know how could that be true, but she went into detail with that and volunteered that information of forehead, line wrinkles. And so people using, for example, a mask is going to have different wavelengths. It's going to have, like, the blue and the green and different wavelengths that help with those particular areas, and it is very affordable. And a hat and it, you know, it's a one and done. You you purchase it.
• 1:14:45
  You use it for for years to come. And then and the one area if you if you're in front of a panel, it's, you know, you you could keep rotating your head or or having a cap or you could be, off watching something, have your cap on like you were doing. And so we just made it really accessible for people. And again, it's just cheaper than other things. It's cheaper than a hair growth supplement.
• 1:15:09
  It's arguably a lot more effective. We've seen lots of cases where people, first what happens is their hair stops falling out, then they start telling us about all the hair regrowth that they're having. And it's surprising, it's even surprising for me, but it's always awesome to hear. The belts are great for, you know, we see so many people come out of back pain with that. And so one thing I always encourage people, just get started because it's such a game changer when you do.
• 1:15:34
  The radiance level out of these devices is surprisingly high, like around a hundred, which is, and then it's at the surface, there's no guessing game. You just put it wherever, either you have pain or you want to try and slim the belly or you just put it on and go. And it's easy. And then one thing as well is kind of something that will help people to understand as well-being a small business, but, you know, grow like, we we've we're having tremendous success because of the people that we're helping, and we have such a big kind of give it back give back ethos. Like, you and I probably haven't talked a lot about the work I've been doing in Kenya for the past thirteen years with the famine relief.
• 1:16:17
  And our whole mission is there to make the world better for people, but we've been continually, like, finding all the different causes that we support and getting behind people that you know that they really not only care about you and because you have something in this case as a there's an economic, exchange. But a lot of the work that I've been doing for, like, twenty years now has been all about just, you know, getting back to, you know, the people that need us the most, you know, in famines. And so you see a lot of footage of all the things that we're doing in these regions. But the the thing I was mentioning about as well, like us, right now, we we have we have inventory that and you can you can look at the expected wait times. People are aware of that.
• 1:16:58
  It's so good to make that decision and and to be at the front of that queue to to place an order and know that as well, like, we we do have limited inventory, like, it's genuine. Right? And so so that's a good call to urgency. You know, grab grab your item knowing that, you know, it's not we can't run these specials forever. We can't we we don't have unlimited inventory.
• 1:17:20
  We've got inventory to fill, but we so but but take advantage of that. Grab that. It's in front of you. It's a great opportunity and take advantage of that while while it's available because, again, we we we have limited stock. Take advantage of it.
• 1:17:31
  We've got it here, and I'm excited to help and make a difference for for you. And that the the thing that we need to make sure people so it's myredlight.com. And as well with Seth, you get an additional discount of 10% off. So do remember to use that code, which is just Seth at the checkout. You'll see it add that coupon code or or share an additional 10% off the already discounted prices in the free gift.
• 1:17:52
  So it's a game changer, Seth, and I'm excited.
• 1:17:54
  Seth Holehouse: It is, man. So so, again, my redlight.com, promo code Seth. That's it. And, also, help at maninamerica.com. So any questions about any of these things, help at man in america dot com.
• 1:18:08
  And I can't promise to answer those questions, but I will, you know, forward it to you, which has been great. Because sometimes I've had someone that will shoot me an email and they'll say, hey. Can you help out with this? You know, I I placed an order, and I have a question about it. And I'll I'll call you and say, hey, Jonathan.
• 1:18:21
  Hey. You know, this lady, Sue Smith, she's got a question. You know, this is when and she, you know, asked her customer service, and, you know, she hasn't heard back from me yet. She's still waiting on that. And you're just like, okay.
• 1:18:31
  What's you'll call her, and I'll get a message from her an hour later saying, oh my gosh. I just got the phone with Jonathan. He helped me out. He's also sending me, like, a, you know, you know, a different thing. He's giving me some supplements, and so you're really on top of things, which is great.
• 1:18:43
  So, again, so my redlight.com, promo code Seth. Jonathan, it has been That's awesome. It's amazing how it's been an hour hour and fifteen minutes. It just it just flies by. That's That's why.
• 1:18:54
  I thank you for coming on. It's it's been great, you know, getting to know you and and, you know, kind of, like, just doing these great things together and and feeling like we're actually making a difference. So, Jonathan, you've actually got one of these big panels in studio. I I think it's the same one that we have. So give us just show us what it is real quickly because this it's kinda nice to see these things not just as a picture on a website.
• 1:19:13
  So I'll I'll I'll full screen you and and walk us through what what what this looks like.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Awesome. Yeah. I yeah. I agree. And I think what's what what's really cool about this is because once you once you get it, you start realizing the the quality of of the device.
• 1:19:26
  Okay. Let me see. I get my microphone over here. So I'm gonna turn it on. I've got it on.
• 1:19:33
  Now that's red and near infrared. Now you see me in front of it. And yes, I've got my eyes unprotected and it says generally to use it that way with eye protection. But you can actually just close your eyelids and it is actually very helpful for eyesight to have your eyes open from clinical studies for three minutes in the morning if you're 40 and you can expect a 17% eye improvement in a week. Amazing clinical studies but it has to be in the morning and it's particularly if you're 40.
• 1:20:03
  Those studies on myopia. But anyway, you'll see the the the device there and the stand which then can be laid flat horizontal. And then, you know, I'll just kind of lean up against it and so you can kind of get an idea of it's covering again all the critical areas of my body there and get an idea of the width and then the control panel where I can switch between red and near infrared. And, yeah, you can see the green screen in the background there. So, yeah, that's kind of the the simple aspect of it.
• 1:20:36
  I'll show you the device. Oh, yeah. The smaller device is an example, right, to see that real time. And then the one moment. Where'd that go?
• 1:20:49
  Here it is.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 9: This one's not plugged plugged in, but
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: it gives you an idea of the size of the the 500 watt. Right? So which is like that.
• 1:21:01
  Seth Holehouse: So it gives you a bit
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: of an idea.
• 1:21:04
  Seth Holehouse: And I have to say, like, I was when I unpacked unboxed this thing, I was surprised. Like, it's heavy it's metal. It's got fans in it. Like, it's heavy duty. It's it's stuff that I would say is almost like it's it's medical grade.
• 1:21:17
  It it's something you'd expect to see in, like, a health spa or something. I mean, it's it's the real deal. So it it's kinda it's kinda cool seeing you, like, red like that anyway because Yeah. It's it's something really comforting about it too. Like like, when we so when we've converted a lot of our lights in our house to a, incandescent, or just we have red light stuff.
• 1:21:36
  So there's there's a website. I I we have little red light night lights and everything. So, like, my my my daughter's rooms, they've got little red light night lights. We've got them in the bathrooms, and so we we we love red light. There's something so soothing about red light.
• 1:21:49
  So, anyway, it's thank you for showing us that because it's also that that's really helpful.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: Of course. And and you mentioned about medical grade. It's really cool. We're we're getting, our devices put in top cancer clinics, like, with the famous doctors because one, they're they're in my role Rolodex like so obviously they they reach out and they ask for advice which is really cool and and then they test it side by side and look at their parameters and and they see wow this checks out and so that's why you know they're they're they're putting these units in their clinics and things like that. So yeah literally when you when you go into these top some of these top clinics you'll see the red life devices there and and some of those doctors are yeah well you know talking publicly about it too which is really cool.
• 1:22:31
  So just it it's nice when you you've got doctors that you love and trust and they they you know they they share those results. I remember even Doctor Lee Merritt she was she was saying like twenty four hours and I feel like a different person this is crazy I can't explain this and Doctor Ed Grupp he's like I use it every day man I use it every day And he's, thick, Texan accent. I use it every day, man. No. I didn't do it right.
• 1:22:56
  Yeah. So, like, lots of and, Doctor. Artis's team, they're all using it. So, you know, it's just it's really cool seeing a lot like a lot of the guys in the industry in the know that really kind of have every option at their fingertips, and it's an honor to to know that we're serving that community and and a lot of the great great folks like yourself and people like David, you know, Rodriguez is talking about his eyesight improving and his sexual stamina. It's funny he talked about that.
• 1:23:22
  He I won't go into detail, but but but it did mean that he stopped taking things that were harmful to his body because he didn't need to take those things that he was taking, and he talked about that publicly. But then no back pain. He used to cut his interview short because he said, I don't have an alibi now. You know, my back's hurt, so I gotta leave. He's like, I don't have that anymore.
• 1:23:44
  He used to have, like, two hour naps a day. He doesn't have that anymore. And so, yeah, it's just, you know, great seeing all these folks get such great results.
• 1:23:50
  Seth Holehouse: And, again, it's amazing because I can say that in my own home, we use these things. And and my own wife, obviously, I want to be healthy, and I want her to, you know, be around for until we've got grandchildren together, and how she's already seeing these effects, which is again, it makes me even more confident and excited about, talking about this stuff because, like, these are real solutions. Like, my like, my brother died of cancer. He had non Hodgkin's lymphoma. He went through multiple rounds of chemo.
• 1:24:16
  He went through radiation, and they still couldn't do anything for him. And I saw how sick he was and how much suffering he had. And it's like, I I just I I I wish I could go back in time. Obviously, I can't. I learned so much through that, but I wish I knew this because I would be I would be so on top of that saying, look, man.
• 1:24:32
  Like, I'm gonna buy you a whole red light setup. Here's how it's gonna work. So I can't go I can't go back in the past, but I can go forward. And so I I just I thank you for what you're doing, man. It's it's such a pleasure to to have you on the show.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: That's beautiful, man. Yeah. That that but you give such a good premise for people to think about. It's people get frozen in that looking back, and and and it stops them from taking care of themselves and everyone that's in front of them. Like, I could look back at all the things that were in my my my past of what the things that I I wish I had have known, the people I could have helped because I I didn't know that at that time, but my energy goes into who can I help, who's in front of me, my children, the the people in my life, you know, the the amazing result that you just achieved, and you are my brother?
• 1:25:19
  Right? And and Kate is my sister. And these are these are the ways that we we get ahead and, you know, help everyone and make sure that everyone that's in in our sphere of influence get the help and support they need. And and just on just a quick, point as well. So if anyone wants to reach us, please make sure.
• 1:25:38
  And and it is great to contact us at support@welloflife.com. So that's support@welloflife.com. And and also on the number +1 (888) 438-9825. That's +1 (888) 438-9825. And yeah.
• 1:25:59
  So absolutely. It's it to me, it's always best reach us out to us there first because we can then get more direct, and get right to you. But, you know, I appreciate you being willing help out, Seth. We're here to support and help you and give you all the communication you need and just take care of you, and I appreciate that, Seth.
• 1:26:15
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely, man. Well, Jonathan, I'm sure we'll be doing a show again soon, because I love love love these conversations. But in the meantime, thank you for what you're doing, and thank you for giving us your time today.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: Welcome. Thanks so much, Seth.
• 1:26:27
  Seth Holehouse: Alright. Okay. Every New Year, we all spend a few days seriously thinking about what we can do to improve our lives, and usually, it revolves around better health. Right? I wanna strongly encourage you to do what I do.
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