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Episode 48: SPOOKY MONTH CONTINUES WITCHES! | The Coven Book Review | Michele Lamy - Industry Witch | Top 10 Strange Witchey Accusations | AITA · This Is My Circus

• 0:00
  I'm Stephanie.
• 0:00
  I'm Meredith.
• 0:02
  And welcome to This is My Spooky Circus Week 2.
• 0:05
  Yay! I know we were getting ready to record, but for some reason I was just not mentally ready.
• 0:13
  Yeah.
• 0:13
  Verbally ready.
• 0:14
  Yeah.
• 0:14
  I don't know.
• 0:15
  I checked you.
• 0:15
  Yeah.
• 0:16
  You got me this time.
• 0:17
  Well, I did.
• 0:18
  You flipped.
• 0:19
  Finger guns at you.
• 0:21
  So I was feeling the witchy vibes today.
• 0:22
  Ah.
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  I think you look amazing.
• 0:24
  This is our witch episode.
• 0:25
  This is our witch episode.
• 0:27
  And I failed on all accounts.
• 0:29
  Yes.
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  But I mean, still, you are amazing.
• 0:33
  Your witchiness.
• 0:34
  Thank you.
• 0:35
  I, was watching tutorials on witchy makeup.
• 0:40
  It looks good.
• 0:42
  You did a great job.
• 0:43
  Especially since I'm not like a makeup person.
• 0:45
  Right.
• 0:46
  Did you have these colors?
• 0:47
  I did.
• 0:47
  I will.
• 0:48
  So I used to get, like Ipsy or something.
• 0:50
  Yeah.
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  And so I have I don't know, probably like it has to be like 15 palettes.
• 0:54
  Yeah.
• 0:54
  That I've never opened because I don't do makeup on a normal, regular basis.
• 0:58
  And if I do, it's like nudes.
• 1:01
  It's like, yeah, you're like, I like makeup.
• 1:03
  Not.
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  I did the Ipsy.
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  I think it was one of whatever.
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  For a while.
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  And I would save when, when I got the random colors of, and I was like, I might need this for Halloween.
• 1:13
  And I've never, yeah, I was like, Ooh, I hope I have green and purple, there wasn't like no purple, which surprised me.
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  But there was like, it's like pinkish purple.
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  I was like, Oh, that'll work.
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  And so I kind of just mix a bunch of stuff together and hope to the best.
• 1:24
  Perfect.
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  I love it.
• 1:26
  You look cute in your little hat.
• 1:27
  And that was off of one of the ghosts.
• 1:29
  I got crafty today.
• 1:31
  I mean, you're, you're Slow applause for you, yes.
• 1:35
  I have, paint on my fingernails.
• 1:36
  We've been painting.
• 1:37
  Oh.
• 1:38
  And I was like, I'm not even messing with taking it off until we're, we're done.
• 1:43
  So.
• 1:43
  What are you painting?
• 1:44
  So our front porch has the white railing.
• 1:46
  Yeah.
• 1:46
  We painted our columns black.
• 1:49
  Oh.
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  I'm just digging the black vibe on everything, like painted all black.
• 1:52
  Yeah.
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  So we painted our columns black and, the front casing that faces the street light.
• 1:59
  So just just updated it a little bit The it was white and it was just chipping and some of them have rust stains on them So I was like, let's just paint them.
• 2:06
  Yeah, that's what we did.
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  So we are officially done as of today so I'm gonna take all that off but apologies for the for the speckles I have nothing on, So you went to Florida last weekend.
• 2:18
  I did, and it was so good.
• 2:21
  Good.
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  There was myself, and then four other, girls there, And then Nicole and Christy, those two are so freaking amazing.
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  They just have like the best vibes.
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  You just feel calm and centered around them.
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  So it was really cool.
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  They did a lot of different exercises and, you know, like getting to like, wait, wait, physical, no mental, no mental.
• 2:44
  Well, they did do physical.
• 2:45
  I did not partake.
• 2:46
  They went on like a morning, like the eight o'clock walk or eight, 15 months.
• 2:49
  I'm like that.
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  That's no, I was I was Getting out of bed.
• 2:54
  Yeah.
• 2:55
  Making a cup of coffee.
• 2:56
  Yeah.
• 2:58
  but I mean, the pool was awesome out back.
• 3:00
  Like we laid out just for a little bit.
• 3:01
  Yeah.
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  The first day.
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  Yeah.
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  Of course, as I said before, I was so out of my comfort zone and I was so nervous and so scared.
• 3:09
  Yeah.
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  But they made, everybody feel so comfortable.
• 3:13
  and then, you know, once you get to talking to the other girls, you know, you get just, they probably felt the same way.
• 3:18
  Yeah.
• 3:18
  Yeah, for sure.
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  Everybody was so, so, so nice.
• 3:22
  I'm so proud of you for going.
• 3:24
  Oh God.
• 3:25
  Was it worth it?
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  Do you feel like you?
• 3:26
  Yeah.
• 3:27
  Yeah.
• 3:28
  Yeah.
• 3:28
  Yeah.
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  They did a hypnosis session.
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  So in this house, there was a movie theater room.
• 3:34
  And so we all laid in the movie theater room when the reclining chairs and, Christy did a hypnosis session.
• 3:40
  And I mean, I was out like that.
• 3:41
  Like, I don't even think she got past the, you're walking down the stairs and you know, really I was out like.
• 3:47
  Out like a light.
• 3:48
  Okay.
• 3:49
  and when I woke up or when she like brought everybody back or whatever, I felt so refreshed.
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  like, if I take a nap during the day, I'm groggy and like miserable for the rest of the day.
• 3:57
  Like I am not a napper.
• 3:58
  Yeah.
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  And I woke up and I felt so refreshed and I was like, that was like the best power nap ever.
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  And Christie she's like, did you hear me say that?
• 4:06
  And I was like, no, what did you say?
• 4:08
  And she said, well, when I was you know, bringing everybody back.
• 4:11
  Mm-Hmm.
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  I said you're gonna be refreshed and you're gonna feel like this has been a great power nap.
• 4:15
  And that's crazy to me.
• 4:17
  I know.
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  And I was like, well, just thank you for not making me cluck like a chicken Right, right.
• 4:22
  And the chicken dance.
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  Well, you know, like, have you heard any bells ring?
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  Because you know, that's what you, you see too, like when you hear a bell ring, you'll.
• 4:30
  Yeah, do the chicken dance or whatever.
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  So you've been completely normal.
• 4:33
  Yeah.
• 4:34
  So what was the point of the hypnosis?
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  Just a relaxation.
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  So everybody wrote down in like a notebook what they, like their main goals were for the trip.
• 4:43
  okay.
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  Getting clarity, getting whatever, you know, figuring out what your blocks are, refresh, whatever.
• 4:48
  Yeah.
• 4:48
  and so we all wrote down what our goals were and she, yeah.
• 4:53
  Use that for the diagnosis.
• 4:55
  Okay.
• 4:56
  So I gotcha.
• 4:57
  but other people said that it just felt more like an outer body experience, like where they were like lucid, but like not.
• 5:04
  Yeah.
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  And I was just out.
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  I didn't hear nothing.
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  I mean, I was out.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  Pillow.
• 5:14
  Right.
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  Right.
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  How long do you think you were out?
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  Did you, do you know how long was it?
• 5:19
  Like probably like, I think 45 minutes, an hour.
• 5:21
  Okay.
• 5:22
  Yeah, that's really cool.
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  Yeah, that's really cool.
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  So I've never done that before.
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  I haven't either.
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  You had easy traveling and all that kind of stuff.
• 5:29
  Yeah.
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  Yeah, so on the way there I got in my seat on the airplane and I'm like put my headphones on and yeah Watching a movie and I'm like, why haven't we left yet?
• 5:37
  We're sitting there forever.
• 5:38
  So I take off my headphones and They're like, everybody on this plane knows that we're going to Orlando, correct?
• 5:44
  And I looked at the girl next to me and she's like, apparently there's like five people on the plane.
• 5:49
  They got on the wrong plane.
• 5:50
  Oh my god! So they were checking everybody's seats and checking, that was the only thing.
• 5:54
  That's weird.
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  I wonder if they were supposed to all go to the same place or if like they were just randomly, I don't know, but like why wouldn't, when they're scanning your tickets, would that not be caught?
• 6:04
  Yeah, that's true too.
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  Weird.
• 6:07
  Yeah.
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  Have you ever seen the meme that like, you think you're having a bad day?
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  In the airport in Austria.
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  There's a stand for everybody who's trying to go to Australia or something like that who goes to the wrong place.
• 6:19
  Oh, God, that would suck.
• 6:21
  Yeah, because they're not close and very different.
• 6:24
  Yeah, you're not seeing kangaroos.
• 6:27
  No, you are not.
• 6:29
  You are not.
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  Well, I'm glad you had a good time.
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  I'm glad you're back.
• 6:32
  Yes.
• 6:33
  did you have a good week?
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  Anything major going on?
• 6:36
  No.
• 6:36
  Was Dylan in school?
• 6:37
  Yeah.
• 6:38
  Okay.
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  they had off Friday, for a volunteer day.
• 6:41
  They have to, do community service.
• 6:43
  I saw Jonas I took some blankets to one of the churches in Lake Wally that they were collecting for Western North Carolina.
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  And I walked in and I was like, where can I put these, and I hear, Hey, Miss Meredith.
• 6:54
  And I was like, Jonas.
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  So, yeah.
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  So I'll, I didn't know that they were doing that.
• 6:59
  And I was, cause I was giving him a hard time.
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  It's like, Oh, were you doing community service for that charge?
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  You call, you know, just saying, it was like, no.
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  So that's really awesome.
• 7:07
  Yeah.
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  He was there yeah, so their school requires them to do community service in order to graduate.
• 7:12
  I think that's awesome.
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  Yeah.
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  They do get off specific days out of the year to do those, to meet those criteria.
• 7:18
  Yeah.
• 7:18
  Cool.
• 7:19
  But it's been a very like, regular week.
• 7:21
  Yeah.
• 7:21
  Nothing.
• 7:22
  So Clover was out of school this week.
• 7:25
  And I hate this week, but they're all hated when I loved having Jackson around, but it just throws my schedule off so bad trying to get, cause he still had football practice.
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  So, you know, doing all of that.
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  And then of course he's like, I want to go to what you call, you know, somebody's house.
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  And I'm like, hi, you getting there, dude.
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  And so I have to rearrange my work meetings and make sure I'm still doing all my things.
• 7:46
  It's just, I know some people really love having the weeks off for our family and for families that have kids that do sports or band or other things.
• 7:55
  It's, it's tough.
• 7:56
  Yeah.
• 7:56
  So between painting those freaking columns and, you know, just getting Jackson where he needed to be.
• 8:03
  Oh, I worked last weekend.
• 8:05
  I'm helping a friend named Ashley.
• 8:07
  She's a photographer.
• 8:09
  So I worked with her last weekend at a wedding.
• 8:11
  She needed an assistant to help just like make sure ties are straight and fluff trains and stuff.
• 8:16
  It was so much fun.
• 8:17
  Really?
• 8:18
  It was so, it was exhausting.
• 8:19
  It was like an eight hour thing of just like bending over and fluffing trains, but but it was a lot of fun.
• 8:25
  It was really cool.
• 8:26
  That's awesome.
• 8:26
  You know I'm all about like looking for something.
• 8:29
  Yeah.
• 8:29
  Like why not?
• 8:30
  I'm going to find something one day that I'm just and that I love.
• 8:33
  Yeah.
• 8:34
  I feel like I haven't done that yet.
• 8:36
  Well, I think we were really good at this.
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  We, and I love this too.
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  So, I mean, this might be it.
• 8:41
  This might be it.
• 8:42
  We got to expand.
• 8:43
  We do need to expand.
• 8:45
  We do have some expansion ideas that we were just throwing around.
• 8:48
  So exciting times.
• 8:49
  Yes, it is.
• 8:50
  Um, I know you have some tattoos.
• 8:52
  I do.
• 8:53
  Do you want more?
• 8:54
  I do.
• 8:54
  I do too.
• 8:55
  So bad.
• 8:56
  I do too.
• 8:57
  I have pieces in my mind that I want.
• 8:59
  I know I want a floral thing.
• 9:01
  I think we've talked about that before.
• 9:03
  I love Harry Potter.
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  So do I.
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  I want some kind of little, little tiny something.
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  Even, maybe just a little symbol.
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  The, assorting hat.
• 9:13
  Assorting hat.
• 9:14
  Gryffindor.
• 9:15
  I didn't know you loved Harry Potter.
• 9:17
  Dylan does not.
• 9:19
  Jackson's not a fan.
• 9:20
  But I do.
• 9:20
  I do too.
• 9:21
  Did you read the books?
• 9:22
  I did.
• 9:23
  Yeah.
• 9:23
  my brother did too.
• 9:24
  So when Harry Potter first came out, we both read them.
• 9:28
  Yeah.
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  and then we went and saw all the movies together.
• 9:30
  Oh, yes.
• 9:30
  Oh, yes.
• 9:31
  Have you tried to see the ones that are after it?
• 9:34
  Not a fan?
• 9:35
  No.
• 9:36
  But yeah, I do want a little teeny tiny Harry Potter tattoo.
• 9:39
  Like, you know, like the triangle.
• 9:40
  I can't remember what, what, you know, I'm talking about.
• 9:42
  Yeah.
• 9:43
  I'm gonna get a wand on my finger and then I'll just.
• 9:47
  Have you got the Harry Potter world?
• 9:49
  Oh, yes.
• 9:49
  We have been several times I want to go back but I think they're building something else have you been before no Dylan never wanted to go Yeah, I kind of forced my family to go.
• 10:00
  Yeah.
• 10:01
  I was so bummed.
• 10:02
  We were supposed to go next year, at some point, but then they're building new stuff so we were just gonna kind of wait again, but you got, you need to go.
• 10:09
  Yeah.
• 10:10
  Let's go.
• 10:11
  Pack it up.
• 10:13
  read our book before or after you went?
• 10:15
  a little bit of both.
• 10:16
  After.
• 10:16
  Okay.
• 10:17
  I enjoyed this book.
• 10:18
  I did too.
• 10:19
  So, this week we read The Coven by Harper L.
• 10:22
  Woods, and I enjoyed it.
• 10:24
  Let's start out with, if you're going to read it, if you haven't read it yet, just listen to the trigger warnings and make sure that this is not going to trigger anything for you.
• 10:31
  This was a little more, everything than stuff we'd normally read.
• 10:35
  Yeah.
• 10:36
  It got a little spicy.
• 10:37
  It did.
• 10:38
  It got spicy.
• 10:39
  It got graphic.
• 10:40
  It got, Bloody.
• 10:42
  Yeah.
• 10:44
  All right.
• 10:45
  Let's jump right in.
• 10:47
  Let's go with the blurb.
• 10:48
  Yeah.
• 10:49
  All right.
• 10:49
  Revenge.
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  Raised to be my father's weapon against the coven that took away his sister and his birthright.
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  I would do anything to protect my younger brother from suffering the same fate.
• 10:58
  My duty forces me to the secret town of Crystal Hollow and the prestigious Hollow's Grove University where the best of the brightest of my kind learn to practice their magic free from human judgment.
• 11:09
  There are no whispered words here.
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  No combination for the blood that flows through my veins.
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  The only animosity I face comes from the beautiful and infuriating headmaster Alaric Grayson Thorne.
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  A man who despises me just as much as I loathe him and everything he stands for.
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  Okay.
• 11:26
  But that doesn't mean secrets don't threaten to tear the school in two.
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  No one talks about the bloody massacre that forced it to close decades prior, only the opportunity it can afford to those fortunate enough to attend.
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  Because for the first time in 50 years, the cabin will open its wards to the 13, 13 promising students destined to change the world.
• 11:44
  If the ghosts of hollow groves victims don't kill them first.
• 11:47
  Okay, again, there was tons of trigger warnings.
• 11:50
  Lots of trigger warnings.
• 11:51
  So just, for everything from feeding people to eating people to blood, murder.
• 12:00
  And again, it got a little bit spicy.
• 12:01
  It was a little explicit.
• 12:03
  The second book is way more spicy.
• 12:05
  Okay.
• 12:05
  So just trigger warning.
• 12:06
  Trigger warning for me when I get the second one.
• 12:09
  But this book had me interested from the start.
• 12:11
  Me too.
• 12:12
  And I do like the supernatural stuff.
• 12:14
  So it was a great book for me.
• 12:16
  Yeah.
• 12:17
  I like supernatural stuff too, but I will admit this one is probably a little more like demonic than I'm normally into.
• 12:24
  I don't normally like to read, read it.
• 12:27
  I'm fascinated, but it scares me.
• 12:29
  Okay.
• 12:29
  just scares me.
• 12:30
  But I did enjoy this one.
• 12:31
  had me from the very beginning, like you said, when she's hanging out with her brother and then it just goes immediately into, into the story.
• 12:39
  Yeah.
• 12:40
  So I will admit I got lost a few times.
• 12:42
  Okay.
• 12:44
  I had to release them to the end, like six times.
• 12:46
  Cause I was like, wait, yes, really?
• 12:48
  Yes.
• 12:49
  I don't know.
• 12:49
  I might've been multitasking too much.
• 12:51
  Yeah.
• 12:52
  but it was, it was still just a great, great book.
• 12:56
  Yeah.
• 12:56
  Yeah.
• 12:57
  so there was a quote from the book and,, I think it encompasses Willow, who is the main character.
• 13:03
  And it said, if it is order you value, then I will bring you nothing but chaos.
• 13:09
  And like, I don't know why that, that line jumped out to me so much in the book, but I was like, yes, girl.
• 13:15
  Yeah.
• 13:16
  Like, yeah.
• 13:17
  Well, In the book, so she's, she's a little sassy.
• 13:20
  She is not demure.
• 13:23
  She's not cutesy.
• 13:26
  She speaks her mind.
• 13:27
  She is just, she's bold.
• 13:30
  She's not, you know, a lot of these other people in the school are just very, Withdrawn and chill.
• 13:36
  And she is a, so everybody else falls in line.
• 13:39
  That's how I saw it.
• 13:40
  Yes.
• 13:40
  A hundred percent.
• 13:41
  They fall in line and do what they're told.
• 13:43
  You don't give a flying flip.
• 13:44
  Right.
• 13:44
  And they act the way they've been taught.
• 13:46
  They need to act.
• 13:47
  And she is just herself unapologetically.
• 13:50
  So.
• 13:50
  Right.
• 13:51
  So we're going to go do some, spoilers.
• 13:53
  Yep.
• 13:53
  So her mom faked her death.
• 13:55
  Yes.
• 13:55
  and so she raised Willow away from the whole witches, everything, but she still taught her.
• 14:02
  Right.
• 14:02
  She still knew she was a witch and she taught her the ways and she taught her the history, she wasn't raised around any other witches and stuff.
• 14:10
  So where I got a little bit mixed up, was with the dad.
• 14:14
  Yes.
• 14:15
  because I initially thought that Willow's mom raised her on her own.
• 14:19
  And then like later in the book, you find out that the dad had a big hand in certain things.
• 14:25
  Yes.
• 14:26
  It goes very, very much more into detail in the second book and you're like, okay.
• 14:31
  Yeah.
• 14:31
  Yeah.
• 14:31
  I thought the same thing, especially when she has a brother.
• 14:34
  Yeah.
• 14:34
  By a different father.
• 14:35
  Right.
• 14:36
  it just, yeah, it just got a little muddled right there.
• 14:39
  I was a little bit lost in that aspect of the book.
• 14:43
  That dad is such a, yeah, well, I mean, they raised her for their own you to, to use her.
• 14:50
  That was it.
• 14:50
  Yeah.
• 14:52
  Well, that was his whole, his whole person.
• 14:53
  The mom didn't know what was going on with the dad.
• 14:56
  Okay.
• 14:56
  How the dad was whatever.
• 14:58
  Yeah.
• 14:58
  Yeah.
• 14:58
  The ending.
• 14:59
  Yeah.
• 15:00
  Like I said, I listened to it several times.
• 15:02
  And I might've been just trying to listen to it too fast too, cause I liked it.
• 15:05
  I wanted to, I wanted to hear it fast.
• 15:09
  So I might've just, you know, it was probably just me, but, um, very interesting.
• 15:14
  Did not see it coming with all the things coming out.
• 15:18
  No.
• 15:19
  And I immediately went to go get the second book because I was like, I need to know.
• 15:22
  Yeah.
• 15:23
  You texted me, you're like finished it onto the second book now or something like that.
• 15:27
  And then I finished it and I went to get it and.
• 15:30
  That's when it said, you can join the waiting list.
• 15:33
  Yeah, whatever.
• 15:33
  I was like, God, Steph But now I'm outta my uses though.
• 15:37
  Yeah, I know.
• 15:38
  I hate that.
• 15:39
  I know too.
• 15:40
  Like let read Why can't I read?
• 15:43
  Just let me read.
• 15:44
  I was gonna put Dylan's library card if I can find it like the second.
• 15:48
  Yeah.
• 15:49
  That's a good idea.
• 15:50
  I probably should just sign him up for another account because, um, or another card because I'm sure his expired.
• 15:55
  Yeah.
• 15:56
  Um, yeah.
• 15:57
  Yeah.
• 15:58
  So the ending.
• 15:58
  Okay.
• 15:59
  They reveal.
• 16:01
  Mm hmm.
• 16:01
  That Gray.
• 16:03
  Mm hmm.
• 16:04
  Is the devil.
• 16:05
  He is the freaking devil.
• 16:07
  He is Satan.
• 16:08
  Bananas freaked me out, but wait, wait till you get to the second book.
• 16:11
  Oh girl.
• 16:12
  Okay.
• 16:12
  Oh crazy Well, she had been trying to ask him what's your real name?
• 16:17
  Yeah, and apparently he was like, you know There's power in names that we don't just give out whatever and he was like you've been wanting to know who I am Okay, so this is where I was confused so More detail spoilers.
• 16:27
  So skip ahead if you don't want any like this stuff.
• 16:29
  Okay, so he had two bodies.
• 16:31
  So because the door to right.
• 16:33
  Right.
• 16:34
  Right.
• 16:34
  And so he couldn't leave hell, I guess, in his body that he was in and so it's like his spirit or whatever is just in a vessel.
• 16:43
  Yeah.
• 16:44
  In a vessel, which was a vampire.
• 16:48
  Okay.
• 16:49
  It was like a vampire vessel.
• 16:50
  I mean, I know it was a vampire butt.
• 16:51
  And that's what, and that's what like all like the vessels in the book were Yes.
• 16:54
  Vampires.
• 16:55
  They're called vessels.
• 16:56
  Yes.
• 16:56
  And so he was like the head of the vessels.
• 16:58
  Yes.
• 16:59
  Crazy.
• 16:59
  Okay.
• 16:59
  My like, I literally like my jaw.
• 17:02
  I was like, he's a what?
• 17:03
  Yeah.
• 17:04
  Yeah, he's, he's who?
• 17:05
  He's the who.
• 17:06
  okay, yeah.
• 17:07
  I really need to get the hands on that second book.
• 17:09
  It answers so many questions.
• 17:10
  Okay.
• 17:11
  But then it leaves you hanging again and there's not a third book yet.
• 17:13
  Yeah.
• 17:15
  Gosh, um, okay.
• 17:17
  In the second book, which it goes way into her past, like how she was raised.
• 17:22
  Okay.
• 17:23
  so you'd hear more about that family dynamic and the dad.
• 17:26
  Okay.
• 17:26
  And what, the links that he was Pushing her and okay.
• 17:29
  So, you will hear all that stuff.
• 17:32
  Would you rate the book?
• 17:33
  Oh, I'd rate this book I cannot.
• 17:35
  Me too.
• 17:37
  Even though it is not and I'm okay with supernatural like witchy stuff vampire stuff.
• 17:41
  That isn't it It's the demonic thing that really freaks me out.
• 17:45
  Yeah'cause I believe demons are real.
• 17:47
  Yeah.
• 17:48
  And I think that's why it bothers me so much.
• 17:50
  Yeah.
• 17:50
  Um, but even with all that a nine or if not a 10.
• 17:54
  Yeah.
• 17:54
  I, I really, really, really liked it.
• 17:56
  I did too.
• 17:56
  And the second book was I would say maybe better.
• 17:59
  Yeah.
• 18:00
  Because it answered so many of my questions.
• 18:01
  Okay.
• 18:02
  When the second book was not available, I just looked up the author and she has several other books and I have a feeling they'd be just as good.
• 18:09
  Yeah.
• 18:10
  Because they kind of are on the same vibe.
• 18:12
  So I think this is going to be somebody I'm going to read more of.
• 18:15
  Yeah, same for sure.
• 18:16
  Was 100 percent in.
• 18:18
  Did you like the narrator?
• 18:19
  I did.
• 18:20
  Yeah.
• 18:20
  Yeah.
• 18:21
  I thought she did good.
• 18:22
  I did get lost sometimes when she did the man voice.
• 18:25
  Yeah.
• 18:26
  I mean, yeah, I enjoyed everything about this one.
• 18:30
  Yeah.
• 18:30
  Um, what's our next book?
• 18:31
  Our next book is the vampire diaries.
• 18:33
  Yes.
• 18:33
  So the first book, the first book, and that's what the show was based off of.
• 18:38
  Yes.
• 18:39
  have you started listening to it?
• 18:40
  No, okay.
• 18:41
  You I did.
• 18:42
  I finished it already.
• 18:43
  Okay.
• 18:44
  But I've actually read it before.
• 18:45
  I have the actual book.
• 18:47
  You've had the book.
• 18:48
  I have watched a little bit of the show, so I have an idea, but I know the books will be better, or maybe a little bit different.
• 18:54
  Yeah.
• 18:54
  It's been a long time since I've done that.
• 18:56
  Yeah.
• 18:57
  So, right when vampire diaries came out.
• 18:59
  I was a TV show.
• 19:01
  I bought the first book.
• 19:04
  Yeah.
• 19:04
  And I hadn't read it that was like, I mean, a long, long, long time ago.
• 19:07
  So, it was interesting to read it again after watching the whole series.
• 19:11
  And the differences.
• 19:12
  Yeah.
• 19:13
  So vampires will be next week?
• 19:15
  Yes.
• 19:15
  And, uh, that'll, that'll be our book.
• 19:16
  I can't remember the author, but you guys know who it is.
• 19:18
  Yeah.
• 19:19
  What it is.
• 19:19
  Dylan and Ruthie started watching the Vampire Diaries Oh, did they?
• 19:23
  A couple months ago.
• 19:24
  Uhhuh And I was like, it's such a good show.
• 19:26
  Yeah.
• 19:26
  Um, Jackson, we like to watch Outer Banks.
• 19:28
  Have you seen that?
• 19:29
  The new season dropped.
• 19:30
  Oh, I did not.
• 19:31
  We haven't watched it.
• 19:32
  We haven't watched it.
• 19:33
  It's just been crazy.
• 19:34
  So, me and Dylan used to watch these shows together and now he watches them with Ruthie.
• 19:39
  So, I got ditched.
• 19:40
  She's adorable though.
• 19:42
  I know.
• 19:42
  She'll just have to I'm sorry.
• 19:44
  I know.
• 19:45
  It's what it is.
• 19:46
  It is.
• 19:46
  So, since it's our witchy week, I was trying to find that like witch stuff.
• 19:50
  And of course, everything I see is witchcraft in Hollywood and how Really like creepy and mm hmm bad Hollywood is which I mean like I think we all kind of now know for sure But right, I didn't realize how deep it went and like how long it is.
• 20:05
  It's been a thing Yeah, and it's scary.
• 20:08
  I felt like I needed to like cleanse The stage.
• 20:11
  Yeah, like I mean it freaked me out a little bit Yeah about all the stuff that I I saw and I'm her back.
• 20:17
  Are we talking?
• 20:18
  Well, since the start of Hollywood, really.
• 20:20
  I mean, like, yeah, like Hollywood is just like a bad place.
• 20:23
  Yeah.
• 20:23
  No desire ever to go there.
• 20:27
  but have you seen the Michelle Lummi?
• 20:31
  She literally looks like a witch.
• 20:33
  She wants to look like one.
• 20:34
  I mean, she has dyed black fingers.
• 20:37
  I mean, she draws like a black line on her forehead.
• 20:40
  I mean, she, she looks like a witch.
• 20:42
  But she was born in 1944.
• 20:44
  Okay.
• 20:44
  she has been a lawyer cabaret dancer.
• 20:47
  Restaurant owner and she moved to she was in France.
• 20:52
  I believe she was born in France and when she came to the states, she got into fashion design and met her husband I didn't know who he was, but he's apparently very like prominent.
• 21:01
  Okay designer Rick owens And he is known as the dark lord of fashion.
• 21:07
  Oh and their shows are very Dark, yeah, very very dark.
• 21:13
  Yeah But she is.
• 21:14
  Known to have relationships with everybody and everybody's a big name and like they all respond to her very weird there was so many clips of her going to parties and everybody almost dropping everything and like going over to her and she's got this Like spell on some I don't know dude.
• 21:28
  It is so freaking weird.
• 21:30
  That is weird.
• 21:31
  So she's still alive Yeah, she was at Usher's parties.
• 21:35
  She's goes to all of these things where all these celebrities are.
• 21:38
  And they all run over to her almost.
• 21:40
  It's, that is creepy.
• 21:42
  So she has, been known to have relationships with, ASAP Rocky, Rihanna who are known to be involved in the scandal.
• 21:53
  Well, no, like into more, um, like rituals and.
• 21:58
  Okay.
• 21:59
  Witchcrafty stuff.
• 22:00
  Okay.
• 22:00
  The Kardashians, which mm-Hmm.
• 22:02
  There is so much on them with witchcraft.
• 22:04
  There is, but have you read Chris's book?
• 22:07
  Supposed to be really Christian.
• 22:09
  I mean, that's what the book says, but I, I see your face.
• 22:13
  No, they're not, they're not fooling anybody.
• 22:15
  No.
• 22:16
  Kanye West, usher, just anybody prominent, it's almost like all these people sold their souls.
• 22:22
  Yes.
• 22:22
  A 100%, 100%.
• 22:25
  So she's known as the high priest, priest, dress, priest, I can't say that priestess.
• 22:31
  Yeah.
• 22:31
  I can't say that word.
• 22:32
  It's okay.
• 22:33
  Um, her husband is known as the dark Lord of fashion.
• 22:35
  And there was a girl on Tik TOK.
• 22:37
  Her name on Tik TOK.
• 22:38
  It's, red avoid.
• 22:39
  And I'll link the, Tick tock into our notes.
• 22:43
  But she said that she went to the usher after party for the Met Gala.
• 22:47
  And, she is very Christian.
• 22:50
  She wanted to get into the music industry and somebody had invited her to go as a guest.
• 22:56
  And she said she had a great time.
• 22:57
  She was like dancing.
• 22:58
  She like actually met, you know, I'm sure she met people and got contacts.
• 23:02
  This woman comes and she said that she entered and it was like a dark, presence all over.
• 23:08
  And she was like, at that moment, I was like, God told me I need to go get out of here.
• 23:13
  that is crazy creepy.
• 23:16
  Yeah.
• 23:16
  She said, she said that there was something so dark and sinister about her and she immediately felt like she needed to get out of the party.
• 23:24
  she was like, I'm out.
• 23:26
  I see you have a list there.
• 23:27
  Is that other celebrities that are who are supposedly knowledge.
• 23:33
  You're not here to get smart, but Probably true.
• 23:39
  It has got to come from somewhere.
• 23:41
  Yeah.
• 23:42
  Um, so the Kardashians, they have talked a lot about different things on their show, and.
• 23:51
  Kim was so excited to get a, lock of Marilyn Monroe's hair, in the episode where they got her the dress and she's like, Oh, I can clone her now or something to that effect.
• 24:00
  Oh, yeah.
• 24:03
  So, Solange and Beyonce.
• 24:05
  And this was really interesting.
• 24:08
  So this dude on Tik TOK, Was on his journey to become a warlock and he was in a witchcraft shop, and Solange came in and he said to the owner, is that Solange?
• 24:21
  And the owner said, yeah, she's in here a lot.
• 24:23
  And we do a lot of different rituals for their family.
• 24:26
  What?
• 24:27
  Yes.
• 24:28
  Beyonce.
• 24:29
  Mm-Hmm.
• 24:29
  one of her former employees actually got a restraining order against her.
• 24:33
  And the court docs say it's because of witchcraft.
• 24:36
  What?
• 24:36
  Okay.
• 24:36
  Erica Badu openly admit, oh yeah.
• 24:39
  That she is, and she said, Beyonce's career is based off of the dark arts.
• 24:44
  Oh.
• 24:44
  Oh, I don't know how true this one is.
• 24:46
  Taylor Swift.
• 24:47
  This is people's words out there, but I don't know.
• 24:50
  Yeah.
• 24:50
  And then Giselle, Tom Brady's ex, supposedly openly admitted that she does like different rituals and stuff.
• 24:56
  This just makes me feel like gross.
• 24:58
  just, and listen, there's like light.
• 25:02
  Magic, dark magic, whatever.
• 25:04
  But, all of these people are not participating in the good stuff.
• 25:09
  Yeah.
• 25:09
  Um, as far as I have read or saw.
• 25:13
  It's just crazy.
• 25:14
  It's like the dark arts.
• 25:16
  Like Baltimore, don't say his name.
• 25:20
  He don't scare me.
• 25:21
  No, we don't, I don't have my wand yet.
• 25:24
  Um, so that was just like a short list of who I found that is involved.
• 25:32
  Creepy, so crazy.
• 25:33
  So I also tried to dig a little bit into Some witch stuff or whatever.
• 25:38
  And I just got stuck on the Salem trials.
• 25:41
  Uh, you know, my history nerd self, I was like, Ooh, let's just listen to this pocket.
• 25:45
  Ooh, just listen to this pocket.
• 25:47
  Very intriguing and crazy.
• 25:50
  Like if you had a mole on your body, you were a witch.
• 25:53
  Yeah, you know, all of those things that I'm sure we, you know, I think I learned some of this in school in the history, but, just to, to hear it again as an adult and to know how cuckoo it is.
• 26:03
  So that's kind of where my path went.
• 26:06
  Well I did get the 10 things, women got accused of witchcraft war.
• 26:13
  Okay.
• 26:15
  Is this current or is this in like, Well, I don't know.
• 26:18
  It's on list first.
• 26:19
  This is from like the Salem with Charles, like perfect back in the day.
• 26:22
  Yep.
• 26:23
  All right.
• 26:23
  So number 10.
• 26:26
  Oh, and this is list versus the same website I used as last week.
• 26:30
  Okay.
• 26:30
  And I'll link this into our show notes as well.
• 26:32
  Okay.
• 26:33
  But, so the number 10 is being too sick to get out of bed and go to church meant you were a witch, but you were a witch.
• 26:39
  Number nine.
• 26:41
  If you were just featured in someone's nightmare, you can't, no, that's crazy.
• 26:46
  Like nobody can control that.
• 26:48
  Yep.
• 26:48
  Number eight, having a cat named Satan.
• 26:51
  I don't know why you would name your cat Satan.
• 26:52
  I don't know either, but that's not the cat's fault.
• 26:57
  Yeah, Number seven healing a sick child.
• 27:00
  You were a witch if you healed a sick child Number six being identified as a witch by a child Oh, could you imagine though, like, being little bad baby's kids be like, she's a witch.
• 27:12
  Could you imagine today though, oh my god, you look at a kid wrong in there.
• 27:17
  Oh yeah.
• 27:17
  These couple that were walking behind me at the football game the night they said F every other word I definitely looked at them like that.
• 27:23
  They would have got me in trouble number five is being in an abusive marriage Cuz that's your fault It's just so stupid Number four losing a loved one to a natural disaster.
• 27:37
  Oh My gosh number three you have an argumentative male relatives How was that a woman's fault?
• 27:45
  Were there, there were ever any men witches, right back then?
• 27:50
  I have not.
• 27:50
  I don't remember ever hearing any.
• 27:52
  Okay.
• 27:53
  Number two, having veins in your eyes.
• 27:55
  Oh my gosh.
• 27:56
  So if you cry too hard or you, right.
• 27:58
  Or if you sneeze and bust a blood vessel in your eye, Oh my gosh.
• 28:03
  Okay.
• 28:03
  Number one.
• 28:04
  Having a parent who was a witch, even if you were a child.
• 28:08
  So that was like the top ten crazy things that women got.
• 28:11
  Well, one thing that they said in one of these podcasts that I was listening to was that women would be in jail for being a witch, be pregnant, they would have the child, and the child would be accused of being a witch because of this reason, and they would just both die.
• 28:24
  Yeah.
• 28:24
  The end.
• 28:25
  So that's, that's amazing.
• 28:28
  That's, that's awesome.
• 28:29
  All right.
• 28:29
  Um, so going on with our witchiness, okay.
• 28:35
  But last October in Hanover, Pennsylvania, the owner of the serpent key shop, which is like a, new agey, whatever.
• 28:43
  And they do like tarot card readings, like that, to police officers went in and, This poor girl, she's 26 years old, shop owner, does tarot readings.
• 28:52
  She's like all, you know, in it.
• 28:54
  Yeah.
• 28:54
  these two cops told her she was under investigation for being a witch and reading tarot cards because in Pennsylvania fortune telling is illegal.
• 29:02
  Okay.
• 29:02
  And they like, were like, well, we're not gonna arrest you now, but just let, you know, if we get a complaint, you're going to jail.
• 29:09
  And then I'm like, okay.
• 29:10
  How can that be illegal, right?
• 29:12
  Like, there's four states in the United States that, fortune telling is illegal.
• 29:16
  I'm surprised we never came to any of these in our previous segment.
• 29:19
  North Carolina is one of them.
• 29:21
  Which is bizarre because I just had one done in Gastonia.
• 29:26
  The place where you went to have it done.
• 29:29
  Don't give the exact name because I don't want to give you any trouble, but is it just like a new age place?
• 29:34
  No, they were doing a pop up shop almost like a pop up thing they had like a couple people there that were doing tarot readings, but Yeah, I was like, that is crazy.
• 29:44
  I was like, oh, I wonder why it's illegal because it said it's defrauding fortune telling.
• 29:49
  Cause, so they have to have, in all the other states, there has to be like something that says, for entertainment purposes only.
• 29:57
  But yeah, there was 4 states.
• 29:59
  That's wild.
• 30:01
  Right?
• 30:02
  Can you imagine they're alike?
• 30:04
  No.
• 30:04
  And that was recently.
• 30:05
  That was you said last October?
• 30:07
  Yeah.
• 30:07
  Okay.
• 30:07
  So we need to talk about Diddy Talk for a second.
• 30:09
  Always.
• 30:10
  Okay.
• 30:11
  Did you listen to the Kim Porter book?
• 30:13
  Yes.
• 30:13
  Yeah.
• 30:13
  Well, I listened to the TikTok woman on her.
• 30:17
  Holy crap.
• 30:20
  She was like, I'm going to read it.
• 30:21
  So you don't have to, here you go.
• 30:22
  So if you haven't, I can't remember her name.
• 30:25
  I'll top my head, but it was linked in last week's show notes.
• 30:27
  Yep.
• 30:27
  Look in last week's show notes, oh my gosh, everybody died of pneumonia.
• 30:31
  And then she called at the end and she was like, y'all there's a lot to dig into there.
• 30:38
  The Tupac stuff, yeah, the Biggie stuff.
• 30:41
  Did you, did you hear where, Biggie and Tupac were branching out on their own together?
• 30:46
  They were on their own.
• 30:47
  Yes.
• 30:48
  East coast, west coast, it was not.
• 30:49
  Was not a biggie problem.
• 30:51
  No, it was so wild to me that she, I can't remember who they were talking about specifically, but they were like, yep, they died of pneumonia.
• 30:59
  Yep.
• 30:59
  They died of pneumonia.
• 31:00
  And she died of pneumonia.
• 31:02
  Yeah, it's crazy.
• 31:04
  Y'all y'all got to read it.
• 31:05
  Yeah, yeah, but I mean, he basically trafficked her.
• 31:08
  I mean, he wouldn't let her go.
• 31:10
  Yes.
• 31:11
  I thought the Tupac thing was very interesting.
• 31:13
  as far as Tupac was not down, right down with Diddy.
• 31:17
  He was not down to get down.
• 31:20
  No, he wasn't.
• 31:20
  And, According to the book, basically what sparked the, the little tension.
• 31:27
  I guess that escalated into Tupac being un Tupac.
• 31:31
  Supposedly.
• 31:32
  Supposedly.
• 31:33
  Now there's things saying he's in Cuba, like alive, faked his death, and he's in Cuba.
• 31:40
  I don't know.
• 31:41
  Yeah.
• 31:42
  I listened to, to it that day.
• 31:44
  So it's been a couple of weeks.
• 31:45
  So my memory's a little fuzzy, but it was amazing to hear.
• 31:50
  And she did a good job recapping it too.
• 31:52
  So good.
• 31:53
  She did a good job giving you all that information it's like you don't want to believe this stuff is true.
• 31:58
  I bet it is.
• 31:59
  But there's so many pieces of evidence that point to it being true.
• 32:04
  It's Terrifying.
• 32:06
  Um, have you seen anything with this Allie Carter?
• 32:08
  I feel like I have.
• 32:09
  Tell me about Allie Carter.
• 32:10
  So she had come out in 2021, and nobody believed her, talking about, All the abuse with Diddy.
• 32:18
  she had said that there was tunnels under Diddy's house where kids were kept in cages, um, that's where they held auctions and that it was like, Walking down, an aisle of a clothing store, where all the clothes are, featured, but it was just people, humans, in the, in the tunnels.
• 32:38
  And, of course, when the FBI raided, or whoever raided, they did find the tunnels going to these different places.
• 32:45
  But nobody believed her.
• 32:46
  this is years ago.
• 32:47
  she said that Diddy is a small fish in this pond.
• 32:51
  Um, she was actually trafficked, and the CPS had a big hand in, in trafficking her, getting her to the people that CPS is a child protective services.
• 33:02
  And if Diddy's a small fish.
• 33:04
  Who's the freaking big fish I Don't I don't know if I'd want or not.
• 33:09
  I mean, I'm one I do Those people need to be they need care of they do but that's just terrifying.
• 33:16
  She was naming names of who abused her.
• 33:19
  Okay, who who was involved with it and allegedly, mm hmm.
• 33:24
  It goes all the way up to our president And his son.
• 33:28
  She had given details of.
• 33:29
  Is she still with us on this earth?
• 33:31
  She is.
• 33:32
  she dropped some names.
• 33:33
  Current president?
• 33:35
  Current president.
• 33:36
  Allegedly?
• 33:37
  Alleged.
• 33:38
  her videos are all over right now.
• 33:39
  I mean, because, I've seen her name.
• 33:41
  I just haven't clicked on it.
• 33:43
  Every time I see that, I think about Nick Carter.
• 33:44
  So do I So she also claims to be Tupac's daughter, like a illegitimate daughter, that like was hidden from whatever, because it didn't go with his persona, whatever, yeah, at the time, and then the mom was unfit, Okay.
• 34:03
  She was abused in her home, so she got taken out of her home into Child Protective Services.
• 34:08
  And then it turned into this?
• 34:10
  Yes.
• 34:10
  And then she was trafficked ooh! Yes.
• 34:13
  So, just a warning, if you guys do go find her, some of her stuff is very graphic.
• 34:17
  It was very disturbing, trigger warnings all over the place for, child abuse in every manner you could think of.
• 34:24
  Okay.
• 34:24
  You've been warned.
• 34:25
  And with everything coming out, I think it's true, especially since she came out with all these allegations years ago.
• 34:32
  You know, that's what's so crazy is that, years ago, there's been several people that have tried to say something and I don't know, who knows, they might've been working on it behind the scenes but I don't know.
• 34:42
  It's just, this whole thing is just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
• 34:46
  And bigger, yeah, and like, it's just gives me like the, it just makes me sick.
• 34:51
  A hundred percent.
• 34:52
  100 percent I'm glad that some things are getting uncovered and, I know he was in court this week for, for things.
• 35:00
  He's still being held.
• 35:01
  He can't get out until his hearing now.
• 35:04
  It's been denied three times and the only way that it could ever get Overturned is if it goes all the way up to the supreme court and they're not going to take that case Yeah, and has court date sometime in 2025.
• 35:15
  Yeah, I don't want to say october, but it might be february and who knows let's have a lighter note.
• 35:21
  Okay.
• 35:22
  Well, am I the a hole?
• 35:24
  Yeah.
• 35:24
  I don't know if it's gonna be lighter, but I did find a witchy one.
• 35:27
  Am I the a hole for cursing my ex's new girlfriend?
• 35:30
  Huge trigger warning with the C.
• 35:34
  Pregnancy loss, stalking, and harassment.
• 35:37
  Account is new to retain teensy bit of privacy.
• 35:39
  Okay.
• 35:40
  Oh, look at her name.
• 35:42
  Spicy meat sauce.
• 35:44
  That's funny.
• 35:45
  Okay, some context first.
• 35:48
  27 female was in a relationship with my ex Jonathan, 28 male, for just over three years beginning of 2020 to August 2023.
• 35:56
  We were moving Forward with our relationship, that summer we discussed moving in together, marriage, kids, the whole bit.
• 36:02
  In August 2023, I caught him cheating on me and that pretty much put an end to it then and there.
• 36:07
  By September, he was in a relationship with the girl he cheated on me with and by October she was pregnant and was moving into his place.
• 36:13
  I'm not going to go on and on about how crushing this was because it should be obvious.
• 36:18
  I was a mess.
• 36:19
  There were a few days I had to call in and miss work because the pain was so paralyzing.
• 36:23
  Luckily, my boss is sympathetic and I was able to get back into things soon.
• 36:27
  But for most of October and into November, I was an effing mess.
• 36:30
  A friend, Sarah, and I went out sometime around Halloween to a witch themed night.
• 36:35
  Neither us are really into that stuff, but One of our other friends had a booth there and we went to support and have a cute night.
• 36:43
  We dressed as witches and had some drinks.
• 36:44
  At one point began venting to my friend about my ex.
• 36:47
  I could tell she really didn't want to hear about it.
• 36:49
  She's still friends with him and didn't want to take sides.
• 36:52
  So I wrapped up my sentence and said something like, I should curse him and get over with it.
• 36:55
  Ha ha.
• 36:56
  We both started laughing and continued with the night.
• 36:58
  I didn't mention him or anything about the relationship for the rest of the night.
• 37:02
  I need to be very clear on this.
• 37:03
  This was meant as a joke and she put that in all caps.
• 37:06
  So take heed.
• 37:08
  She yelled it.
• 37:09
  She yelled it at us.
• 37:11
  I don't do that stuff or believe in it.
• 37:12
  It was just a dumb joke inspired by the setting we were in and the general spooky witch on Halloween vibe.
• 37:17
  I forgot I'd even said it until way later.
• 37:20
  I get that.
• 37:20
  I mean, yeah.
• 37:24
  Halloween is over.
• 37:25
  The holidays proceed on.
• 37:26
  I'm getting over my ex, hanging out with friends, and just generally getting my life together.
• 37:30
  I don't hear from my ex, and I don't want to.
• 37:33
  In the new year, I started going on dates and met my current boyfriend in February.
• 37:37
  Everything blew up around the beginning of June.
• 37:38
  Jonathan's girlfriend, Kelly, was due around then, but I had been doing my best not to think about it.
• 37:43
  I didn't want to know or care.
• 37:45
  I just wanted to keep on moving with my life.
• 37:47
  Around 2 a.
• 37:48
  m.
• 37:48
  on June 12, I get a Facebook message from Kelly.
• 37:51
  We had never spoken before this.
• 37:53
  Not about the cheating, not about the baby, nothing.
• 37:56
  The message is garbled and run on, almost like you were texting a drunk person.
• 38:00
  It said, My baby is effing dead because of you, eff you, eff you, eff you, eff you.
• 38:05
  I didn't respond and simply screenshotted it, sent it to my friend, The Mutual, who went to witch night with me, asking, WTF is this?
• 38:14
  I knew she'd met Kelly a few times and was the closest person I knew to Jonathan at that point.
• 38:19
  She responds the next morning with ah Crap followed by a longer message explaining that Kelly had gone into labor a few days ago and the baby had unexpectedly been stillborn Everything had been healthy beforehand and just went to crap at the last moment Obviously both Jonathan and Kelly had been taking it hard as was to be expected.
• 38:40
  I wasn't sure how to process all of this in that moment.
• 38:42
  Of course, I felt and still feel awful for them, but I didn't know what to say or do about it.
• 38:47
  I just let the message hang for a minute while it sunk in.
• 38:50
  Sarah followed up with another text saying, I might have mentioned the cursing thing to her.
• 38:55
  I didn't.
• 38:56
  I think it was a big deal, but she might have latched onto that.
• 38:59
  That's when I remembered that, quote, I should curse him thing from months ago.
• 39:03
  Again, a joke with literally no intent or anything behind it was ever supposed to make it back to her.
• 39:09
  Now I'm pissed off at my friend and upset about this other thing.
• 39:12
  I honestly just Left her on read because I wasn't sure what to say.
• 39:17
  I needed some time to process So I turned my phone off and took my dog for a walk trying to figure out what to do If I should message Jonathan, just let it go.
• 39:24
  Should I be mad at Sarah for talking about me to my ex's new girlfriend And the woman he cheated on me with etc.
• 39:30
  I get back and turn my phone back on even more messages from Kelly.
• 39:34
  You effin ruined everything you evil blank You can't be effing happy for anyone, but yourself you evil bee.
• 39:42
  Sacrifice yourself, but not my child.
• 39:46
  At this point I realize I need to block her and talk to Jonathan about this because I can't deal with it.
• 39:51
  So I screenshot the messages, send them in a text.
• 39:54
  I gave him my condolences for his loss, but reminded him I'm no longer a part of his life and they both need to respect that.
• 40:00
  I'm not a punching bag for the rough times in someone else's life and I have not involved myself in anything they've done since the day we broke up.
• 40:07
  I got a call almost immediately after I sent the text to Jonathan.
• 40:11
  And he was screaming at me like I never heard.
• 40:14
  He never raised his voice at me like that when we were together.
• 40:17
  He basically said that, quote, after what I've done, Kelly deserves to grieve in her own way and that I have no right to tell her how to handle her feelings and grieve.
• 40:24
  This was all my fault anyway, so the least I can do is hear her out, he said he saw my pics from the, quote, Coven meeting where it happened, at the witch market thing.
• 40:36
  I repeat over and over that I didn't do anything I made a seasonal themed breakup joke at a hokey witchcraft event There was no coven there was no spell But he's now utterly convinced that I cursed his unborn child despite never showing an interest or belief in any of that stuff before I almost couldn't believe what I was hearing It would have been comical if it wasn't so centered around a serious issue We go back and forth and I end up Ending the conversation by telling him once again.
• 41:03
  I didn't do anything and that both of them need to stay away and not contact me I told him to focus on his healing and I hung up later that night.
• 41:11
  I started to get texts from an unknown number They were from Kelly same type of messages over and over.
• 41:16
  I'm evil.
• 41:17
  I'm a witch.
• 41:18
  I killed her baby over and over I had been Playing a game when the text started and I finally checked my phone and I had received 57 texts in just over an hour.
• 41:28
  Against my better judgment, I texted her back telling her once again I'm sorry for your loss, but she's not to contact me again.
• 41:34
  I blocked her and Jonathan went ahead and blocked any social media of hers that I could find as well.
• 41:38
  The next few weeks were quiet.
• 41:40
  I talked to my boyfriend about it and he was incredibly supportive.
• 41:42
  He said they sounded insane and I made the right choice for blocking them.
• 41:46
  Life went to normal and I tried to shake that feeling of weirdness.
• 41:50
  It was about three weeks before the in person stuff started.
• 41:53
  I was sitting on my balcony, I rent a house, after dark, smoking a bit and listening to some music while I waited for my boyfriend to head over after work.
• 42:01
  There's an area of the road to the left a bit where the trees obscure the road from where I was sitting.
• 42:05
  I noticed after a few minutes there was a car sitting there, lights off, completely dark.
• 42:09
  It's unusual for cars to park there because there's no houses in that area, it's low visibility, generally just a bad idea.
• 42:16
  It sat there for a few minutes before slowly crawling towards my house, still lights off.
• 42:20
  It was obvious the driver was looking for something.
• 42:22
  It slowed to a near stop right in front of my house and sped off again.
• 42:26
  I figured it was just someone who got lost until the next night.
• 42:29
  I was taking a bathroom break, heard the creak of my mailbox opening and closing.
• 42:33
  I look out the window and see a blonde head ducking into the same car from last night.
• 42:39
  My heart sinks as I realize this has to be Kelly.
• 42:42
  There's not really anyone else it could be.
• 42:44
  The car speeds off and I ask my boyfriend if he could go retrieve whatever was in my mailbox because in my mind she's probably waiting down the road to run me over.
• 42:54
  He brings back a piece of paper that has a Bible verse written on across it.
• 42:58
  We found it was Isaiah 54 17, if you're curious.
• 43:02
  At this point I'm pissed because I thought this was over and I know the only way she could have gotten my address was if Jonathan gave it to her.
• 43:08
  I unblocked his number and sent him a long text, once again reiterating that his behavior is not appropriate and that if Kelly comes to my house one more time, the police are going to be notified.
• 43:17
  Jonathan did not respond, not that I expected him to.
• 43:20
  About a week later, she came to my house while I was at work and my boyfriend was home.
• 43:24
  I had shown him a picture of her just in case of this exact situation.
• 43:28
  He said she came up, knocked on the door, and asked if I was home, almost like a child asking their friend to come out and play, his description.
• 43:35
  He reiterated the same things I had.
• 43:37
  That I hadn't done anything.
• 43:39
  It was inappropriate for her to come around.
• 43:41
  He's sorry for her loss, but please don't contact us again.
• 43:44
  What else are we supposed to say?
• 43:45
  She eventually went away, but not before sitting in front of the house in her car and having a screaming, crying conversation with someone on the phone.
• 43:52
  I'm so freaked out for them when I came home my boyfriend told me about this and we decided it was time to make a Police report we went to the station and talked to them But they said there wasn't anything they could do without more evidence and that it wasn't illegal to ask if someone was home They told us to keep documenting and get security cameras about halfway into July.
• 44:11
  Oh my gosh This has been going on for a year for her about halfway into July was when the unknown calls and texts started to come.
• 44:17
  Calls from unknown numbers, I'm assuming payphones, in the middle of the nights.
• 44:20
  Texts from some app that gives you a fake number.
• 44:23
  The calls hang up as soon as I answer, so I stop answering after a few.
• 44:27
  The texts are all vaguely threatening, saying stuff like, I'll face my reckoning and soon everyone will know what I did.
• 44:33
  Evil never wins in the end.
• 44:35
  Princesses get the victory while the evil witch will fail.
• 44:38
  I've never met anyone who texts like that.
• 44:41
  Me neither, girl.
• 44:42
  It just keeps getting worse.
• 44:44
  I've come home to find torn up roses on the front porch, my screen door broken.
• 44:48
  I'm pretty sure she's been in the backyard too.
• 44:50
  More Bible verses in the mailbox.
• 44:52
  I had been slacking on getting those cameras, but I did and put an order in the last few days, but I doubt that'll stop her at this point.
• 44:58
  I keep updating the police, but they still say no crime has been committed yet.
• 45:02
  I basically can't even take a walk without my boyfriend anymore because I feel like she's waiting to catch me alone.
• 45:07
  I'm so paranoid coming home from work and I keep checking to make sure she isn't following.
• 45:12
  I've called Jonathan one more time about this to try to get her off my back but he told me to stop making everything about myself and I don't get to tell a woman in Kelly's position how to feel because I could never understand what she's going through.
• 45:25
  My friendship with Sarah has been pretty strained because I honestly don't know Why she said anything.
• 45:31
  She said it before the birth, but still she's tried talking to Kelly But she says both her and Jonathan are pretty latched on to this topic and her family is dealing with this together Neither of us knew what that meant, but I didn't bother digging further.
• 45:43
  I just wanted all to go away I genuinely don't know what to do at this point I'm hoping the cameras will help when they arrive But she is literally being encouraged in this delusion by basically everyone in her life Nothing I say makes any difference even my once hyper rational atheist ex now seems to think I'm a witch who caused the death of his baby.
• 46:03
  I guess this is more just a vent, I know I'm not the a hole, I just don't know if there's anything I could have done differently here.
• 46:10
  No one I talked to has experienced this and I can't even find anything on Google.
• 46:14
  I'm assuming this is some kind of postpartum mental health issue, but I can't find much about it being directed outwards to specific people.
• 46:21
  I'm I feel like I'm being stalked and no one cares because she's a postpartum mother and there's nothing she could possibly do to hurt me.
• 46:29
  Yes, there is.
• 46:30
  Mm hmm.
• 46:30
  The only people I've been able to confide in are my parents, my boyfriend, and my boss who's been helping me leave work safely.
• 46:37
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 46:38
  If anyone has anything, advice, or perspective, I'd love to hear it because I just don't know what to do anymore other than what I've done.
• 46:46
  I don't feel like I'm the a hole, but this has been going on for so long that I don't even know anymore.
• 46:50
  I barely sleep and I'm constantly looking over my shoulder.
• 46:54
  Wow.
• 46:55
  Poor girls.
• 46:56
  That is definitely like a flippant thing that I would say.
• 47:00
  Totally.
• 47:01
  And the fact that they are running with this, this hard.
• 47:06
  For months.
• 47:07
  For a year.
• 47:07
  Yeah.
• 47:09
  They are just okay, so let me put myself in the other people's shoes.
• 47:13
  I understand losing your baby.
• 47:14
  I can't imagine.
• 47:15
  No.
• 47:16
  And I can, Understand trying to find something to make it make sense.
• 47:21
  And if that's kind of what they've latched on to make it make sense.
• 47:26
  I mean, but at the same time they're harassing, raising.
• 47:30
  Yeah.
• 47:31
  Yeah.
• 47:31
  That they're just, they're going to be scared for my life.
• 47:33
  I would be very scared.
• 47:34
  I would be very scared because what is she going to do?
• 47:37
  You know, trying to get this, she's sending her Bible verses.
• 47:40
  She's doing this stuff.
• 47:41
  Is she going to throw boiling hot water on her to try to make her.
• 47:45
  You know what I'm saying?
• 47:45
  Yeah, I I don't know what to tell you girl.
• 47:48
  You're not an a hole I mean, I know you know that but you're not Your friend kind of is for telling her though that y'all don't even come up.
• 47:55
  Yeah, that's stupid why were they talking about her at all?
• 47:58
  Mm hmm.
• 47:59
  Good point Yeah, I was I went out to so and so I and then we went out and she said that she curses you guys like that's No, not okay.
• 48:07
  No, if she didn't want to take sides yeah, I don't like that at all.
• 48:11
  That's a bad friend You need to drop her drop her just let that fizzle out because you guys aren't already talking and Your boyfriend seems to be supportive, but i'm scared for her Me too people this unhinged and I understand that she's postpartum movie.
• 48:26
  Yeah, I understand she's postpartum and you know I get that but that it still doesn't excuse does not You Not and her ex boyfriend is just as culpable in the whole situation is he should have kept his Right.
• 48:42
  Junk in his Tell her Okay, I've got a better solution, my friend.
• 48:46
  Sp Spicy Meat Saucy.
• 48:49
  What's that her name?
• 48:50
  Spicy Meatball and Spicy Meat Saucy.
• 48:53
  You need to just say that your curse was for his junk to fall off.
• 48:57
  Not for Not for anything Not for him, not her.
• 49:02
  Right! Not, not anything with the baby.
• 49:05
  The baby's innocent.
• 49:06
  The baby didn't do anything wrong When did the friend tell the ex boyfriend and the new girlfriend?
• 49:11
  Like when was that?
• 49:12
  Was it right after?
• 49:13
  Like, oh my gosh We went to the hallway.
• 49:15
  Yeah, or was it Closer to the time because why would that like stick out right?
• 49:22
  I'm sorry girl, I feel like you need to move She's just gonna escalate.
• 49:29
  Yeah, there's nothing that's gonna calm her like stop.
• 49:32
  No, she's very she's a rational She needs to see a doctor.
• 49:36
  She needs to be Evaluated cuz yeah.
• 49:40
  Yeah, it's legal.
• 49:42
  Let's touch people's mailboxes Was or did my mom just used to tell me that so I never messed with everything She also used to tell me I was gonna put the light on in the car Do you want to hear this Like, I'm such an idiot story.
• 49:56
  I love to.
• 49:58
  You look like you were enjoying that.
• 50:00
  so I was getting packages ready to drop off at the post office and the packages on the trunk of the car and went, locked the door, jumped in the car.
• 50:10
  And drove off.
• 50:12
  So meanwhile, there was like three, three or four kids riding their bikes past my house when I was going and I get to the post office, I open the back door and I'm like, where are the packages?
• 50:23
  I never put the packages in.
• 50:25
  Oh.
• 50:25
  They were just, my car fell like they, as soon, I guess as soon as I hit the gas, like they flew off the back of the car.
• 50:31
  Didn't hear him.
• 50:32
  Didn't see him.
• 50:33
  Right.
• 50:33
  Like just guy just kept going.
• 50:34
  Yeah.
• 50:34
  I go all the way to the post office.
• 50:36
  I'm like, Oh my God, did you find them?
• 50:39
  These sweet kids in this neighborhood, I'll put them on my porch.
• 50:44
  Sweet coming back into the neighborhood.
• 50:47
  And I guess grow their bikes back to where my house is.
• 50:49
  And my house is all in the back of the neighborhood.
• 50:50
  Yeah.
• 50:51
  I was like, did y'all put these On my porch and they were like, yeah, I'm like, thank you so much.
• 50:55
  And they all started like giggling.
• 50:58
  They're going to tell that story to everybody.
• 51:00
  This crazy lady.
• 51:01
  I was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I did that.
• 51:04
  And I have never done that before.
• 51:06
  Yeah.
• 51:09
  So there's my dumb male story.
• 51:11
  You know, we all have, have them.
• 51:13
  Yours just all wins this week.
• 51:15
  I'm just kidding.
• 51:16
  Oh, goodness.
• 51:17
  Yeah.
• 51:18
  Have you watched any good movies or seen any good TV lately?
• 51:22
  We did actually watch a good movie the other day.
• 51:24
  We watched Two Guns.
• 51:25
  Have you seen it?
• 51:26
  So it was on, I want to say prom, maybe Netflix.
• 51:30
  It has Denzel and Mark Wahlberg.
• 51:32
  Action y and funny.
• 51:34
  Give that a, give that a watch.
• 51:36
  Denzel was mentioned in some of this like Hollywood stuff, which makes me sad.
• 51:40
  And now every time I watch a movie, I'm like, Or I watch something and it's like one of the people that are mentioned, right?
• 51:46
  I'm, like well just so the other day I was in my car and I was vibing, you know windows down It felt it's been feeling really good like the fall weather and something Yeah came on.
• 51:57
  I was like screw this song See the TikTok, or the reel, or whatever, and it was like, my whole generation getting our last listens in before all of our favorite artists are canceled.
• 52:10
  We're there.
• 52:10
  I think we're there.
• 52:12
  I think we're there.
• 52:13
  Oh! I saved, probably four videos, but I think found, the job that I would want.
• 52:19
  Okay! What is it?
• 52:21
  Not really, but yes.
• 52:22
  Okay.
• 52:23
  It is a sign language interpreter for, for contract.
• 52:28
  Yes, baby.
• 52:29
  Get back.
• 52:30
  Oh, my God.
• 52:32
  To the windows of the wall.
• 52:33
  Yes.
• 52:34
  Yes.
• 52:35
  That was great.
• 52:36
  I could watch those.
• 52:38
  I know all day.
• 52:39
  They are so into it.
• 52:41
  Uh huh.
• 52:42
  Yeah, the other thing that was funny, um, the song from the window to the walls where it's like, Here I am at 80 on a bus and can't remember anything other than the wind those words to that song and he's like It's a window Yes, so I absolutely like I was eating those videos.
• 53:05
  Oh, yeah.
• 53:05
  Oh, yeah, they're great.
• 53:07
  I probably got like hit with like 10 of them Yeah in an hour like as I was just yes And I was like, this is awesome Well, what was so funny too is, you know, normally when they're translating like that they are, you know a little behind Of what being said, because I had to listen to it and then interpret it.
• 53:24
  Well, you know, those were just on beat, because they, I mean, they knew the words, so they're like, yeah, yeah, it was great.
• 53:30
  It was great.
• 53:31
  So many of them, they have to, do, these, Oh, yeah.
• 53:33
  Motions.
• 53:34
  Yes.
• 53:35
  Of things of different activities or body parts.
• 53:38
  Yeah, baby.
• 53:39
  Yeah.
• 53:41
  Yeah.
• 53:41
  Wiggle wiggle wiggle.
• 53:42
  Yeah Yeah, those are great.
• 53:45
  Find those if you guys need a laughter.
• 53:46
  Yes I thought we needed to lighten up this the end of this podcast.
• 53:50
  100%.
• 53:50
  But yeah, so go find those videos.
• 53:52
  They are so Awesome.
• 53:54
  And they just had me giggling.
• 53:57
  Yep.
• 53:57
  And one day you'll see, Stephanie doing that.
• 54:02
  Speaking to be still and got his sound system new tires, too.
• 54:07
  Yes, geez He's spending all his money.
• 54:10
  I had to get new tires on my car, too.
• 54:13
  I just still do I still haven't done it tires being 100 a piece?
• 54:18
  Your face went just like, I thought we were lightening it up.
• 54:21
  We're going back down the rabbit hole.
• 54:22
  Yeah.
• 54:22
  Maybe one day we'll have the cost of living come down.
• 54:27
  That'd be great.
• 54:28
  It'd be great.
• 54:30
  And then we can do these fun things that we were talking about, like a, circus family vacation.
• 54:36
  We can hold our own circus.
• 54:37
  Oh yes.
• 54:38
  Come to the circus.
• 54:39
  Oh gosh.
• 54:40
  That would be so much fun.
• 54:42
  Where would y'all want to go if we did a circus vacation.
• 54:45
  Where you get to hang out with me and Meredith.
• 54:47
  Oh my gosh for a long week.
• 54:49
  You get us Undistracted, not distracted.
• 54:52
  You get a hundred percent us.
• 54:54
  You get a hundred percent ADD but like Not distracted with having to go anywhere or do anything.
• 55:01
  You just get our normal distractions.
• 55:03
  Yes, you just get our squirrels And then my depression, so it's going to be a great depression, my anxiety and a great place.
• 55:17
  Speaking of raccoons, yes, the wonderful girl, April that lived in Florida.
• 55:22
  Yeah.
• 55:22
  Yeah.
• 55:22
  Yeah.
• 55:22
  I met on this.
• 55:23
  Do not tell me she has a raccoon.
• 55:25
  No.
• 55:25
  So her husband has a business and he's the animal whisper, like all these like cats and stuff.
• 55:32
  Raccoons started coming and so he feeds the raccoons and he's taking the food out of his hands.
• 55:36
  What's the little, he showed me pictures.
• 55:38
  Oh my gosh.
• 55:38
  And it's like all these raccoons.
• 55:40
  And I was like, Oh my God, it's my dream.
• 55:42
  Have you seen the TikTok of the, like, we feed stray cats in our garage and it's a video of a cat eating and then it pans out and there's a skunk and a raccoon.
• 55:53
  Come skunk us with mama.
• 55:55
  Oh my gosh.
• 55:55
  Yeah.
• 55:56
  So one of the people in our, Facebook group said that it is not illegal.
• 56:01
  Have a raccoon.
• 56:02
  So my response, did you read my response?
• 56:05
  I said, well, I am not going to steal a baby from its mama, but if it happens to be left Right.
• 56:11
  Unattended, I am not opposed.
• 56:14
  Right.
• 56:15
  To becoming its mama.
• 56:16
  I mean, I can become its mama.
• 56:18
  So, we've got to have one somehow.
• 56:21
  How does one find a raccoon that needs love?
• 56:24
  Rexy needs a bestie.
• 56:26
  I think the raccoon would ride on Rex's back.
• 56:28
  Oh my god.
• 56:29
  I don't know.
• 56:30
  I love watching the videos of like the raccoons with the dogs.
• 56:33
  Oh my gosh.
• 56:34
  They're so sweet.
• 56:35
  They're just like annoying, like, Yeah, and then they're riding on the Roomba.
• 56:40
  Somebody find us a record.
• 56:41
  Oh my gosh, yes.
• 56:43
  We'll even give you dibs on a potential name.
• 56:47
  Not saying that you get to name it.
• 56:48
  No, but you can, you can get input.
• 56:50
  Yes.
• 56:50
  We would take that under advisement.
• 56:51
  You would get a vote.
• 56:53
  Mm hmm.
• 56:54
  I vote in the process.
• 56:55
  I vote in the process.
• 56:57
  But like, only a 10 percent vote.
• 56:59
  Your vote's not a real vote.
• 57:00
  Anyway, you might not get anything, but final surv Dang it! Am I right?
• 57:05
  Leave us a review! Right?
• 57:08
  Gosh.
• 57:08
  Just sayin People are slackin Why are they like this?
• 57:13
  What's wrong with y'all?
• 57:16
  All right.
• 57:17
  Well, thank you guys for listening to our witchy episode.
• 57:20
  Thank y'all very much.
• 57:21
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• 57:22
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• 57:23
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• 57:28
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• 57:30
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  There's been a lot of fun in there.
• 57:33
  A lot of fun with, with funny things, pets.
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  join and participate, please.
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• 57:38
  And thank you.
• 57:39
  Sorry.
• 57:39
  I need to work on my manners.
• 57:42
  And then join us next week for our vampire episode.
• 57:46
  Absolutely.
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