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Beauty Standards, Aging & Why Women Are Rejecting the Rules With Kirbie Johnson · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: And I think that Epstein Files has really made us
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  Speaker 1: as women realize that, Like.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back to Too Personal. We have a
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  Speaker 2: very special guest. I'm very excited. Kirby Johnson on camera,
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  Speaker 2: host a Super Bowl commercial Star with Judge. Judy started
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  Speaker 2: her career at Pop Sugar in twenty eleven and left
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  Speaker 2: Pop Sugar in twenty nineteen and launched Los Angeles with
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  Speaker 2: co hosts Sarah Tan.
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  Speaker 3: It's a beauty and pop culture podcast.
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  Speaker 2: And it is consistently ranked amongst the top ten fashion
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  Speaker 2: and beauty podcasts and was voted People's favorite beauty podcast
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome. It's so good to have you here.
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  Speaker 2: I can you read through your whole bio, but like
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  Speaker 2: you know, everyone knows who you are.
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  Speaker 4: I can believe this is our first time meeting in person?
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  Speaker 1: Is it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: Impossible?
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  Speaker 2: Yes it is. No, We've just been following.
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  Speaker 1: No, we've been following each other for so long and
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  Speaker 1: this is our first actual in person meeting.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't that crazy?
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  Speaker 1: That's why I said, what, you're five too? Before we
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  Speaker 1: got started.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, you're five two.
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  Speaker 1: I always thought you had tall girl energy. I thought
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  Speaker 1: you were at least like five eight, five ten.
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  Speaker 3: No, dude, I feel like we met one time.
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  Speaker 1: You've invited me to some of your amazing parties that
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been able to make, but we've never actually met.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. I know, we like are such good internet friends, Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, maybe our social relationship as on.
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  Speaker 2: No, Like if someone if my life depended on it
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  Speaker 2: and they were like, yeah, you have you met Kirby
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  Speaker 2: before in person? I would have lost that the joy
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  Speaker 2: would I no longer be here?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we have a lot in common.
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  Speaker 1: You're Capricorn, I am so am I I'm in December
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  Speaker 1: capain new your jan cap. Yeah, and we both kind
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  Speaker 1: of straddle this journalist creator world.
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  Speaker 4: My ex is from Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I know a lot about Pittsburgh, and I
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  Speaker 1: think both of us have very similar viewpoints when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to like commentary and how people consume media and
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  Speaker 1: how they react to media.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, we have We definitely have a Well
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad that we're in person now so we can
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  Speaker 2: be in person for because I do think that's important.
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  Speaker 2: But it is it's also weird, like since twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 2: there was this moment at around like twenty twenty one
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  Speaker 2: through twenty twenty two, where I had made all of
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  Speaker 2: these social media friends because we weren't hanging out in person,
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  Speaker 2: and we would talk so much that in my mind
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  Speaker 2: we had been friends longer or we had actually hung
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  Speaker 2: out in person. And then there was like this moment
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  Speaker 2: where we were all back outside and it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's the first time meeting in person, and I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I guess it is like we've we've formed these internet.
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  Speaker 1: Relationships, yes, because you're so used to seeing somebody and
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  Speaker 1: seeing their commentary, seeing their point of view on things.
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  Speaker 4: That you agree with. Yeah, commenting on their commentary and.
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  Speaker 3: Like dming like a girl girl blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, having those personalized relationships.
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  Speaker 2: You know as millennials, your millennial also, Yeah, we believe
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  Speaker 2: in the real thing. So yes, going outside, Yes, have
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  Speaker 2: to be outside. Well, I have so much I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk to you about. I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a beauty fashion girly, but I'm like beauty fashion light. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I like what I like and I like to see
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  Speaker 2: what the trends are and I love following like you
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  Speaker 2: are such a whimsy makeup girly, which I just so
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  Speaker 2: admire and I'm on my whimsy journey right now, love
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  Speaker 2: ams mom. So I want to get into all that,
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  Speaker 2: but I want to start with something that, like I
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  Speaker 2: really wanted to talk to you about, and I think
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  Speaker 2: it'll set the tone for the conversation, which.
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  Speaker 3: Is I am seeing this.
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  Speaker 2: Everywhere with the super skinny and like obviously, over the
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  Speaker 2: past couple of years, we've gone from like kind of
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  Speaker 2: health the health graze, to like the glps to then like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: everyone hates those, so we're going to do like the
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  Speaker 2: strong girly And now we're two we're back to like
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  Speaker 2: early two thousands, like if you weigh one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty pounds, y'r OBEs and.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: It was everywhere, like during the Oscars Award season. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on this current body type craze?
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  Speaker 3: I at least for you know, the.
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  Speaker 1: Elites, Okay, I think that it's important to recognize as millennials,
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  Speaker 1: we grew up with a specific body type that we
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  Speaker 1: were told was perfection, the one to aspire to. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, I would be lying if I said that
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  Speaker 1: that didn't affect me long term.
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  Speaker 4: I mean to this day.
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  Speaker 1: It has affected me because of what we saw in
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  Speaker 1: movies and on magazines and the advice we would get.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, as women were conditioned anyways to be you know,
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  Speaker 1: palatable for the patriarchy, so you know, and there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of commentary around like, you know, they want us
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  Speaker 1: skinny so that we're not strong, so that.
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  Speaker 4: We can't fight.
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  Speaker 1: And while I agree with that in many many ways,
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  Speaker 1: I also am very much a person, especially working in
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  Speaker 1: beauty and adjacent to fashion, that I've always thought to myself,
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  Speaker 1: I never want to comment on somebody's looks. I think
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  Speaker 1: Joan Rivers was able to do Fashion Police, and she's
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  Speaker 1: probably the only person that will ever be able to
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  Speaker 1: do Fashion Police.
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  Speaker 4: It's why it hasn't come back.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she just had the perfect amounts of like self
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  Speaker 2: awareness and like what's the word, like she would like
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  Speaker 2: self deprecating, and she's and she's a comedian.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a comedian, and and nobody took what she
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  Speaker 1: had to say super seriously when it came to fashion, right.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like she was the end all be all
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  Speaker 1: of what the best fashion is. But I've always said
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  Speaker 1: to myself when I see people ranking looks after award
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  Speaker 1: shows and stuff like that, Like, Okay, either you're criticizing
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  Speaker 1: somebody when they felt their best, or you're criticizing somebody
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  Speaker 1: who already feels like shit and they don't feel like
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  Speaker 1: they look good, So like, where is the win? I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that you know, that's a net positive either way.
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  Speaker 1: So when it comes to the body conversation, I've always
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  Speaker 1: kind of kept tight lipped about it. I think Chadwick
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  Speaker 1: Boseman was like a big wake up call for and
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  Speaker 1: I never want and especially women, like we learned from
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  Speaker 1: Chadwick Boseman. But then we still have people now commentating
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  Speaker 1: on women's bodies about how they're too thin and how
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  Speaker 1: this is a problem and as if they're doing it
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  Speaker 1: on purpose. Maybe they are, but maybe they aren't, And
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  Speaker 1: we don't know what those people are actually going through
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes with an intense amount of scrutiny on
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  Speaker 1: their public image at any given point. So I also
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  Speaker 1: think it's interesting that for women, your body is an
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  Speaker 1: endorsement of something. I think that's absolutely crazy. Whether your
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  Speaker 1: body is bigger or smaller, or strong or weak, just
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  Speaker 1: by living, you are endorsing something by being I don't
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  Speaker 1: like that I.
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  Speaker 4: Think it's weird.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, of course there are people that have
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  Speaker 1: gotten on GLP ones that don't need them, right, that
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  Speaker 1: don't need to lose weight. But I also have seen
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  Speaker 1: the conversation where, you know, these influencers that made a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money off of being bigger, plus size or
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  Speaker 1: body positive. I think that's probably like the term that
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  Speaker 1: comes to mind the most have lost a significant amount
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  Speaker 1: of weight now and then people are like, what is
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  Speaker 1: your whole platform or fraud? You know, And it's a
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  Speaker 1: worthy debate, right, like, Okay, you told me that you
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  Speaker 1: were happy with your body like this, and you were
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  Speaker 1: accepting of your body like this, but then when you
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  Speaker 1: got the opportunity, you did lose the weight, So what
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  Speaker 1: is that really saying? But I always go back to
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  Speaker 1: like this nuance of but it's their body, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: they're allowed to do whatever they want with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great perspective because I do think, like you,
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  Speaker 2: being someone who's in the public eye myself, I've gone
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  Speaker 2: through different weights, like I'm heavier now than I was
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, six months ago, And you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: always people who are like reminding me of this, and
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  Speaker 2: they're like my favorite thing is. And we were talking
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  Speaker 2: about this before we started, like just as people on
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  Speaker 2: my uh like gym videos and they're like, you need
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  Speaker 2: to get in the gym. Like you're literally commenting on
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  Speaker 2: a video of me in the gym, Like I work
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  Speaker 2: out five days a week, right, what well if she
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  Speaker 2: if she like had a better diet.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know what the fuck I eat.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know anything about what's going on in my body.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not like making a statement. I think I
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  Speaker 2: do feel that it's weird as women that we kind
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  Speaker 2: of have this obligation to people that when we're in
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  Speaker 2: a public eye that if we are overweight or if
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  Speaker 2: we are super skinny, then we kind of have to
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  Speaker 2: explain it because there are people who are looking at
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  Speaker 2: us and and I mean we're us. We're talking about
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  Speaker 2: like super megastars, yeah, like global looking at them and saying,
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  Speaker 2: you know, okay, is this what I'm supposed to look like?
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  Speaker 2: And why should that be those people's responsibility?
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  Speaker 1: But I also, Okay, this is what I say a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like it's beating a dead horse, even
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  Speaker 1: though I know that's not like the politically correct things
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  Speaker 1: to say anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not to say that we're not.
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  Speaker 1: Supposed to beat dead horses. Unfortunately, why aren't they dead? Ye,
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  Speaker 1: it's like animal cruelty.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but I think they're already dead though, right, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: but I didn't get that note.
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  Speaker 1: But I we don't live in a vacuum, right, Everything
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  Speaker 1: has context, right, And so when you're seeing these globes
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  Speaker 1: and I don't want to name names because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's just projecting more things. Right, when you see
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  Speaker 1: these global superstars that are written about photograph NonStop, these
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  Speaker 1: people are constantly scrutinized and their job, part of their.
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  Speaker 4: Job is their looks.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So if they want to get a boob job
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  Speaker 1: so their boobs look better when they're performing on stage,
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  Speaker 1: so be it. If they want to get on a
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  Speaker 1: GLP one so that they are in, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: certain shape for a performance or whatever it is, that
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  Speaker 1: is their prerogative because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: they're getting so much scrutiny about their appearance that they're
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  Speaker 1: entitled to do what they feel is best.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, well, I guess
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  Speaker 2: this is a bad example because steroids aren't legal, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's like you're it's it's performance enhancing, and
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  Speaker 2: it's like you're allowed to do that. Also, the camera
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  Speaker 2: adds weight to you, yes, like it does so when
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  Speaker 2: people are like even when people are commenting on my body,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I promise you I'm a normal sized person,
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  Speaker 2: like totally on camera. Sometimes I might look different, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm in No one in my life is concerned
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  Speaker 2: about my way at all, right, No, when it's commenting
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  Speaker 2: on my weight in my real life, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting because I've lost weight in the
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  Speaker 1: past year and I've had people reach out to me
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  Speaker 1: and say, you've had a glow up. You look amazing.
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  Speaker 1: What cosmetic work have you had done? And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I lost fifty pounds.
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  Speaker 3: That and like you're gonna look different, right.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I literally a couple of weeks ago, was at this
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  Speaker 1: big event that I was hosting with my podcast, and
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  Speaker 1: someone came up to me and said, you look incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Is this like fresh botox? And I'm like, you can
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  Speaker 1: say it. I've lost fifty pounds, like this is like not,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like you can see it. You can see
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  Speaker 1: my body, you can see it. You saw me more
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  Speaker 1: just say.
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  Speaker 3: I look great and keep it pushing it right, like.
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  Speaker 4: Not like what is it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've had people ask if I've had a
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  Speaker 1: face slift. I'm like, no, I might need one, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like at this point because my skin is starting to
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  Speaker 1: be a little bit more lax.
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  Speaker 2: And then on top of.
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  Speaker 1: That, it's like, oh, so you have like glp one face,
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  Speaker 1: you have Olympic face. I'm like, I lost weight and
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  Speaker 1: I feel better about myself. I ended a relationship after
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  Speaker 1: eight years that you know, like it takes a toll
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  Speaker 1: on you. And I've never ever talked about my weight.
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  Speaker 1: I have always been forthcoming with like I have done botox,
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  Speaker 1: I've done filler you know from time to time, and
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  Speaker 1: I've done all these treatments like that's a part of
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  Speaker 1: my gig. But I have never been like here's my
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  Speaker 1: before and here's my after, or hey, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: lose weight. This is what I'm doing, because I just
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  Speaker 1: feel like that's a conversation that nobody else needs to
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  Speaker 1: have with me except for myself. That's like a personal
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  Speaker 1: thing that I like to keep private. But it's interesting though,
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  Speaker 1: how I have said literally nothing about this and then
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting dms from total strangers who we mentioned earlier,
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  Speaker 1: like have a parasocial relationship with me, and they say,
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  Speaker 1: you look amazing.
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  Speaker 4: What work have you had done?
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  Speaker 1: Like what treatments can I get done to like make
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  Speaker 1: my face look like yours or your neck my neck
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  Speaker 1: look like yours or whatever it is. And I just
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  Speaker 1: think it's an unfair thing that is pressed upon women,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I didn't invite anybody to have that
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  Speaker 1: conversation with me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's there at an event a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years ago, because I gained Where did I gain? I
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  Speaker 2: can't thirty forty pounds during COVID because I was ordering
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  Speaker 2: Craigs every day. I'm like pod it was my comfort food.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, the world is ending. I don't give
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  Speaker 2: a fuck about salads totally, and I was ordering like
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  Speaker 2: truffle bolonets three times a week, which listen, I had
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  Speaker 2: a great time and there was more to love. But
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  Speaker 2: then again I did fine, Like didn't change anything. Guys
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  Speaker 2: are so worried about me. But I lost the weight
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  Speaker 2: and I was at this event and again like losing
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  Speaker 2: I'm five two, so like losing thirty forty pounds, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna look different totally. And this man walked up to
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  Speaker 2: me and he was like asked for a selfie, in
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  Speaker 2: which I almost always say yes, And he was like,
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  Speaker 2: he was like, I've always been a fan, like I
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  Speaker 2: was a fan before, Like.
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  Speaker 3: He was so sick.
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  Speaker 2: He was like I was a fan before, like before
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  Speaker 2: you gain the weight and like I've always stuck besides you,
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  Speaker 2: and like I was like, dog, I didn't have gastric
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  Speaker 2: bypass surgery, like I cane't a little weight during COVID relax.
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  Speaker 3: Like he was so sincere.
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  Speaker 2: That I like, he was such a big fan of
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  Speaker 2: me even when I was fat, And I was like
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't. I'm very rarely freeze.
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  Speaker 3: But I was like my two girlfriends were so mad, and.
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  Speaker 2: They like they were like they didn't want to say
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  Speaker 2: anything to him at the moment, but as soon as
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  Speaker 2: he walked away, they're like, should we say something to him?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, no, it's fine. I think I don't
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  Speaker 2: know his brain's broken, but like, what are you? Why
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  Speaker 2: do you feel insight onto my body?
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  Speaker 4: He was like paying you a comment?
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  Speaker 3: Held it couldn't have been a higher compliment, right, Like he.
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  Speaker 4: Was like, I'm doing something good.
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  Speaker 2: For her now. And the way I did not follow
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  Speaker 2: you when your face got puffy, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean exactly because I'm destined you were an in to
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  Speaker 1: be consumed. Right, it's like a moral failing to gain weight.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing that's so crazy to me. It's like
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  Speaker 1: nobody is saying this to men. It's just like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: he gained weight.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Who cares for a woman because they're ugly?
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  Speaker 2: And that's the truth, Like this is the tea. Men
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  Speaker 2: be ugly and we just have to deal with it.
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  Speaker 2: We have to accept that they're ugly, and that is
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  Speaker 2: that is the reality. Like there are very very few
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  Speaker 2: when we're talking about like the scope of comparative numbers here,
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  Speaker 2: there are not as many handsome men as there are
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  Speaker 2: beautiful women.
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  Speaker 3: Like the number the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: That's why when you meet, when we talk about a man,
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  Speaker 2: we don't we don't go like, girl, I just met
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  Speaker 2: this guy, like he's so hot. We don't even say
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  Speaker 2: that because everyone's hot is so different. Yes, And then
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  Speaker 2: as soon as.
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  Speaker 3: Your friends like, oh, let me.
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  Speaker 2: See a picture, and you're like, well, let me find
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  Speaker 2: a good picture of him, Like that man's not hot, babe, right,
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  Speaker 2: that man's not hot? He's not agreeably hot totally. So
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  Speaker 2: that is the truth that they have to be funny. It'scakes.
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  Speaker 4: Have you seen the videos of they hear me out?
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  Speaker 2: Cakes?
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  Speaker 4: And then I'm like.
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  Speaker 2: I'm heavy on the hear me out, but I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: Why is this to hear me out? This guy is
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  Speaker 1: like traditionally good looking, like.
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  Speaker 5: But then to some women it's like, yeah, they're not
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  Speaker 5: like like Henry Cavell, right, right, but he doesn't do
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: it for me, but right, but like you.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Would not say he's not an attractive person, correct, Like
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: people would be like, you're unwell, you he may not be.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: He may not you know, make your rocks hot, but
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: you know like that that is a handsome person, right,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Like Michael B. Jordan is a handsome person. Gods like
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: those are those are like standardly good looking people to
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: like Denzel Washington, right, like there are statuesque good looking men.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: We've named three like that, and I'm racking my brain
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: for another one, like okay, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, uh
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: he just elbaw like okay, what are we on six?
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: We're all there's four women.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: In here, We're all beautiful.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: That's true. That is true. Like yeah, like.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: So that I'm saying, like and it's just not insults men, Okay,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: but just like we know it, they know it too.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: They don't they don't look at each other like, wow,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: that's a beautiful man. All of us would say right
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: now that we're all beautiful women. Easy, it's not even
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: a question.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Right And back to your point, women being beautiful creatures
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: is why especially men feel like they have some kind
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: of credence over telling you what.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to look like, right, Like even the aging
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: process to me, which is like a good segue into
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: some of the other things I wanted to talk to
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: you about, because I feel like I'm at this place,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: uh in life where I give a fuck less every
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: day and I've been told by women my whole life,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: like when you get to forty and I'm thirty nine,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: when you get to forty, like your whole life is
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: gonna change.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: You're gonna come into this.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Power that like you did not know existed, because the
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: main reason you will is because you're not going to
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: fucking care Like you've survived till forty. If you have
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: a functioning body, that is a huge win.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: And you're just gonna be unstoppable because you're not worried
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: about what other people think about you.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: And I feel it, like I feel the.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Power rising and it's incredible, and I just I don't
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: care as much anymore. Yeah.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Same, I mean I'm also thirty nine.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a little bit older than you, like maybe two
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: or three weeks December, yeah, December gap. Yeah. And I've
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: heard the exact same thing, like as you get older,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: especially entering your forties, this is going to be the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: time of your life that you thrive. I remember when
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I hit my thirties, I heard the same thing like, oh,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you're going to stop caring. I did stop caring, but
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: not as much as I feel now, where it's.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: A different stop caring in your thirties yep.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like in my thirties having a career
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that started on the internet, where anybody could say thing
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: about you looks wise or personality wise, or judge your character,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: judge your intentions. I was so scared to be judged,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: especially for my character, like somebody pressing something upon me
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: that wasn't true or misinterpreted something I said, or if
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I said something that I didn't mean in a specific way.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I was terrified of that, and now I'm kind.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Of like, if that's how you feel about me, or
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: if that's what you took away from this, I don't
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: really care because you don't know me.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: You don't know me on a personal level.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: If you're going to jump to conclusions or you're going
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: to take something out of context in order to fit
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: a narrative that you don't like about me, specifically because
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I greate on you or you don't like how I look,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is, that's fine. That's your prerogative to do,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: so I don't have to engage with it, believe it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: I just don't care anymore. So I agree with you
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: on that front.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And I think as millennials, and I hate to make
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: this like a millennial conversation, but I do think it's
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: important because we were the generation that grew up going
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: outside and also was able to get on AOL and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: stea messenger, right, Like we had this like separation of
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: like go touch grass, like go ride your bike around
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: your neighborhood, but at the same time, like get on
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: AOL and getting these weird chat rooms with age sex
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: location and like.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe have a credit. Right, No, those chat.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Rooms are insane.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: If I caught a single person I know in a
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: chat room as an adult right now, no, I would
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: be like, are you okay?
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: No, we were all fourteen talking to Fred and.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Iowa right exactly, age, sex, location, and then you're putting
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: your away messages like some kind of song lyric from
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Brian McKnight after you broke up with your seventh grade boys.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: We had the best time we did. We had the
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: best fucking time, and no generation can tell me otherwise, Like,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I don't care what the fuck you're growing up in.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Right now, we had the best time.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: We know cursive, We can we say another language, just
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: as that we can read and write of.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Totally, like I know how to you know, read parenthetically,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: cite our sources, right, So we're not so dependent on
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: technology and the internet, but also we evolve with how
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the world change. And as millennials, I think, you know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was sixteen thinking like forty was
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: so old, and now I'm like everyone I know, my
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: our age looks great.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Doesn't look quote unquote old.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: And I actually talked about this a lot, and I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: think it's important for women to really kind of like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: own it in a way old is not a four
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: letter word, like literally and figuratively, it is not a
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: four letter word.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: There was an article last year.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Around award season that Allure, which is a beauty publication
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: that I contribute to.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I have a column there.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: One of the writers who is a woman I believe
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: in her sixties or seventies, Gal Monroe.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: She wrote about how.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Like the old ladies were taking over the Golden globes,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and she mentioned people like Nicole Kidman and Demi Moore
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and how all of these women were over fifty. And
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: it was this celebratory article written by a woman in
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: her sixties or seventies, And the comments were like, how
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: dare you.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Call these women old ladies?
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And part of me understood because, yeah, of course, like
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: old means use you know, discarded, not new, not shiny,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: like all of these things. Old has a negative connotation
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to it. But at the same time, these women who
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: are winning these awards are old, like they're not spring
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: chickens anymore.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so then it got into this whole debate
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: of Okay, what's old? Is it eighties? It ninety? Is
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: it one hundred? You know, we're living longer.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Longevity is a focus of beauty now and of your
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: life span now, like there's so many people trying to
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: biohack their way to longevity. Right, newsflash, everyone's gonna die,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: so you know what, But whatever you know helps you
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: sleep at night.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it was interesting
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to see how many people were upset in the comments
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: about the word old, and we just have to embrace it.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: We will, we get older, we are aging, we will
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: be old at some point.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: But I don't think forty is the old point.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: No, And I'm with you, like when I was sixteen,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: forty is the oldest person on the planet.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Right over the hill?
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Over the hill, Yeah, exactly, I think it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: But when I think about the word old, like if
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: God forbid one of us pass at forty, we would
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: be like, wow, what a young person. Yes, that's like
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: wait what a what a like a life cut short? Right?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: So therefore not old? Am I older than sixteen? Yeah? Yes,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: but I'm not an old old person? And I think
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: also the point is to get old, like you want
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: to stay alive, right, so as you stay alive longer,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: you get older. And this this like clutching to you
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: thing is very weird to me. But I also think
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and I don't know how you feel about this, But
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I've lived my life. I've made terrible fucking decisions and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I've made incredible decisions. And I've gone all over the world,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: and I've met people, and I've had friends and I've
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: stopped being friends, and I've had boyfriends, and I've had
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: a husband, like I've done lots of things. I've had pets,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I don't have pets, like plants have died. Things have happened,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: and I have been sad and happy, and I don't
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: miss things, like I don't miss my childhood. I don't
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: miss being twenty at all. I had a fucking blast
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: when I was twenty. I did wild shit, Thank god,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I did it when I was twenty, and then I
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: had great I like, did I did horrible shit happen? Absolutely,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and then great should happen. So I don't miss things.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: And I think sometimes when people are afraid of being old,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it may have something to do with the fact that
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you haven't truly lived. Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I love this perspective. It's hanging on to something out
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: of regret, maybe yeah, or feeling like you missed out
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: on an opportunity and you're not going to get that
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: time back.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: But like or you, maybe you've put yourself on a
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: timeline and you feel like you haven't done things you
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: were supposed to do by a certain age. Totally.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I have not been married, and I kind of went
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: through this a couple of years ago where I was like,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: did I miss my moment to have a family, to
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: get married? Like I'm I'm pushing forty. There's this whole
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: narrative for women of like you know, if you don't
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: get it at this point, And of course there is
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: a biological clock. That's one thing too that growing up,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: my mom always was like, I want you to have
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a career so you don't have to depend on a man,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Like I want you to be able to leave a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: relationship if you need to, and all that to say,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: like my ex is an amazing person and it just
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: didn't work out.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: We're still friends and all that stuff.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: So this is like not a commentary on him, but like,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I had to remind
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: myself like, Okay, yes, you do have a biological clock,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and maybe you did push things a little longer than
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: they needed to be because you really wanted that relationship
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to work out. But at the end of the day,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: did it keep you from potentially having a family with
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: somebody else, right, Like, that's something that I have to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: like grapple with and talk to my therapist about. But
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: at the same time, I also think that everything does
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: happen for a reason. There's advancements in modern medicine, Like
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: things have changed, like women in their forties are now
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: having children twins.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Even the teenage pregnancy crisis that was going on that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: when we were in high school has essentially flipped to
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: women in their late thirties and forties having children, which
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: has a lot to do with women like your mother
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: telling and raising daughters to become financially independent, to start
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: their careers, to make better decisions, to be more mature,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to be a fully developed person when having their kids.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And listen, there's nothing wrong with getting married at a
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: very young age and starting your family then, but if
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: you choose not to. To your point, there are things
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: available that were not available to our our mothers and grandmothers.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I love that you brought up the teen pregnancy crisis,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: because holy shit, that's.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: A nut celebrat of becoming a team exact.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, but I'm I'm.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Not gonna pay my bills.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Who's gonna raise this child?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Literally, I'm like, am I do? I'm gonna judge me?
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: No.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I always think about this.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: It's like if I so happened to just get pregnant
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: with somebody and we're not married, right, Like this is
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: where my mind goes where I'm like, how is that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: gonna work?
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, Kirby, you're all was forty years old.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: No, you can't have Literally, I am still tropized. You.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Te Mom really like scared the shit out of us.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And as much as people love to hate on Tea Mom,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: because I mean a lot happened, a lot happened, but
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that was a ps A. It was the best PSA.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It was better than like dare for drum.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Did your high school have the babies you take home?
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: No?
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: We didn't.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: We didn't do the babies. We didn't the babies to
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: take home and like take care of them and they
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: like screamed and you had to do the things to
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: get them to stop crying. I mean, I never needed this.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I've been avoiding being a mother my entire life, with
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: every not every not every resource possible, thank god, but
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: most every all the way up all up to the line,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: uh for that. So yeah, I mean it's those times
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: really I can't imagine.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm still afraid of becoming a tea mom.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: And that's a very millennial experience.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, like sex has gone down in gen z right,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Like I don't think they even consider that could be
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: a problem for them.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Well, they have so much education now, Like there's so
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: much awareness and information. It's almost like too much information, right,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and it's like what do you actually believe? And then
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: science has been completely thrown out the window, and it's
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: like you know, there's there's so many trends and things
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: But I'm glad that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: You are like self reflective about that and you you
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: don't put too much pressure on yourself because it's a lot.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: It's a lot to like be a public figure, to have.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: To maintain things, to be a woman in the in
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: that space, to be a woman who is like in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of ways guiding other women, you know, because
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: you're you're talking about things that we you know, we
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: have like pushed on us and then you know, go
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: through a breakup and like wanting all those things to
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: kind of turn around.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: It's good that you're in that place though. I'm proud
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: of you.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I'm proud of you.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Speaking of the like youth movement, I like kind of
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: struggle with this idea of like looking young. I don't
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: want to look young. I want to look my age.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I want to look good for my age. And I
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: know that that's not everyone's experience, but I do find
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of these trends and like this kind of dichotomy,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: even with like the kids participating in the skincare like
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: or the like baby masks and stuff like, it's like, guys,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: we've lost the plot here. Okay, take care of your skin,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: all right, put some sunblock on, get the fuck outside.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: You'll be fine, all right. The sun is actually not
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: going to kill you, right unless you have a diagnosed
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: anti sun skin like your your your doctor has said
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: you can't be in the sun without everything.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, everything, wear sunscreen.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Like why does your three year old need a mask?
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Totally?
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: I agree with you. So we've talked about this on
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Los Angeles.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: But it's like when it comes to create eating a
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: skincare line specifically for kids, sure, like a baby lotion,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: a diaper rash cream, like those things are great, but
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: like a K Beauty inspired face mask. And I've seen
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the argument that, oh, but it's fun for them and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: it's a way for them to be involved and feel
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: like they're part of the conversation.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, they're three, Like.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't get n askin what it. They don't
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: know how to con they're learning to read conversation.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: They're not like, hey, mommy, why can't I be a
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: part of the K beauty conversation?
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Like they can't. They barely know what a K looks like.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: One hundred percent.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So in that regard, I'm kind of like, kids.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Don't read it three right, no, bare a very answer question.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like I started doing the reading thing in
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: like four or five.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: Right when you're three, you're just like figuring out how
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: to talk me. You're eating Plato, right, you're barely walking
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: at that point, Like you can communicate, but not into
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: the best of your ability.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: But isn't it also like this kind of making kids
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: do things that are too mature for them.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, And I mean, honestly, it's mostly just capitalism.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Is capitalism sure, like people wanting to make money, people
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: to buy things, and.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: So the point of difference is like, Okay, well we
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: see this for a tween trend, let's make a skincare line.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: There is a skincare line that came out though that
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: was not even like for tweens.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: It was literally targeted at like kids three.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: To five, right, And it was like markers that you
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: can use on your face, which is fine, Like if
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you want to have like some kind of like paint
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that a kid can go crazy with, then it's like
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: hypoallergenic and stuff by all means. But creating a face
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: mask and like trying to teach them a skincare routine
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: when they're four years old, I don't really see an
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: actual profitable.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Business off of that.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Like I think they're gonna have to create a products
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: in order for that to thrive. I want to go back, though,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: to like the looking young thing, because I was listening
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: to an episode of Yours from a few weeks ago
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: where you brought up the Epstein Files, and I think
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the Epstein Files has really made us as women realize that,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: like and going back to the millennial of it all,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: everything we saw growing up was a condition of a
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: man who wanted women to look young specific reason.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Pass I'll say it's ye, no, no, true fucking sick weirdos.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And it's it's alarming, like watching the Victorious Secret Fashion
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Show and being like, oh, the ruffles, the things, the wings,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: like the bow.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: We we so did not realize.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: You know how these people were.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Hell, these models they were in there, they were babies
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and they looked baby faced, and I mean it really
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: it's a mind fuck because you're sitting there thinking like
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: this is like what I I mean, it was appointment television.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: You sat in front the TV at seven pm on
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: NBC or whatever broadcast network. You watch these models walk
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: down the runway while justin Timberlake saying sexy back or
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift held Carlykloss's hand or whatever it was, to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: these insanely thin women with baby faces wearing ruffles and bows,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and then you're like, what the fuck? And no shade
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to the women, right, Like, no shade to the models.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not here judging them at all. That was a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: paid gig for them, that's their job, that's their career.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: But then when you figure out, like the people at
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the top who run those companies, the trickle down effect
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: of what they wanted to see, I mean, it really
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: does mess with you. So then when we when we
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: talk about aging, and it's like anti aging and I
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: kind of have a controversial take on this. I'd rather
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: hear the word anti aging than like mature skin or longevity.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: It's just like call a spade a spade, Like let's
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: be real, like you're trying to anti age your way
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: out of this, but then you just feel better by
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: saying like, oh, this is you know, to make your
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: skin have better longevity.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: And it's like the very elasticity.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Right right, And there are so many terms and implications
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: of terms that happen in the beauty industry that it's
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: like your skin is not radiant like the sun is radiant.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Like your skin doesn't literally emit a glow, right, But
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: like read a package and the marketing the copy on
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: that package is like we'll give you a radiant glow
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: so your skin glistens, you know, blah blah blah.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: And I struggle with that, but I also.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Get it too, because I'm like people are just trying
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: to sell their shit, right.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean we all want to look good.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: We all want to look good, and we all want
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to look focus should be on looking.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Good and not looking younger.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, I mean your because your skin is
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: generally the best when you're young, but that's not true
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: for everyone. Some people struggle immensely when they're younger with
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: hormones and acne and X. I mean, I had horrible
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: exima when I was young, which thankfully I don't anymore.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: And it's not because I I did. I guess I
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: did stop drinking milk. Well, I think about it, but anyway,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the point is, I eat plenty of to you, so
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: it bounces out the idea of looking young to your
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: point about the Epstein thing, and.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: It feels just like everything is unraveling.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Right now that the entire pitch that we as women
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: have been given is like you want to preserve yourself
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: in like this glue a at a at forever twenty one.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Like you want to be this certain youthful kind of
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: innocent age forever. And that is what beauty is. And
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: once you have a wrinkle, or once you get a
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: gray hair, or once you know this part of your
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: bra strap, it never kind of lays the same again,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you know, and once you have a little stretch mark
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: that you are somehow past your prime. And the people
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: that continue to hammer this into us. I'm just like,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's just time that we call it what
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: it is, Like, you guys are fucking pedophiles. There's so
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: much of it. And then like you might not like
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: how that sounds like that sounds horrific, right, And I've
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: had actual conversations with people who are like, okay, but
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: somebody who's twelve is not four, And I'm like, I
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: will stick us of a steak through your eyeball, right, yes,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: so how far do you want to go with this
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: conversation because it it may end in your death. I'm
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: also like, let's just be serious about what you're pitching here.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: I'm also of.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: The opinion that we have to be aware of the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: fact it's like hate the player, it's don't hate the player,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: hate the game, right because when men unfortunately have been
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: conditioned to fall in line with the patriarchy or as
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: long as the world has existed, right, And part of
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: me is like growing older and looking old is an
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: act of defiance to the patriarchy, which is amazing.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: But at the same.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Time, I don't fault any woman or wanting to wanting
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: or doing what she needs to do to get a
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: leg up in a world that is run by the patriarchy,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: or just.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Liking what you see in the mirror, like I don't.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: If you want a cat face staring back at you,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: be my guest. Like someone else's body is not my business, right,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I don't care what anyone does as long as it
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: is something that you want to do and it is
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: you know, safe, you're not killing yourself. And even in
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: those situations like it is your life to choose to
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: do it, it is this weird dichotomy where it's like,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: you want to look good, you don't want to age
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: too quickly, you want to fix a little niptuck here
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: or there, And I don't, I don't. I don't judge
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: people for that, but I do think it is time
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: that we call certain major things what they are and
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: what they're rooted in totally. Like even I've and this
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: is like a total aside, we don't have to get
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: into this, but like even the like the what is
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: the word, come on, brain, perimenopaslet's work work work, Uh
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: when you are a virgin? No, just like oh, it's
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: obstinate purity culture.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god, don't get me started. Girl grew
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: up in Texas over here.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: So purity culture, the purity culture thing is just pedophiles,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Like what what what do you mean? Like you need
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: to remain this way, like you need to preserve yourself.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: You know what you're saying is a woman needs to
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: stay a child until she finds a husband.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Oh shit, yeah, Like.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: We have hormones, babes.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: We we we want to have sex, Like that's why
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: people do it. Okay, you guys have not been spitting
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: such amazing game for all this time that we like,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: we just are succumbed to your incredible lyrical poems of romance.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Like it's a mutual thing here as we develop as women.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: So like there's so much of it that is tied
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: to that. It's just an exhausting experience. I feel like
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I'm doing the Barbie rant now.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: No, I love the Barbie rant, but be you're right
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: on the money because I grew up in purity culture
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: and the guilt associated for the women versus the men
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Church Gill is rather girls versus boys absolutely insane, insane.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: But you're right, they're the preservation I mean, like literally,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I did a Bible retreat when I was younger. It
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: was a weekend with my girlfriends. It was called ciple
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Now and the whole theme was purity, and so we
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: read the Bible versus we learn like why we should
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: remain pure and granted, like I think a lot of
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: our parents were just like, sure, be abstinate so you
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: don't get pregnant as a teenager, right, But you know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: the teachings were like we had the girls.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: The boys did not do this.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: The girls made these presents for their future husband. Yes,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and like one of the things that you put in
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: there was a little tiny zip block that had a
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: tiny little marshmallow that you sealed so that you were
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: preserved for him, a string so that you would never
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: cross the line, and then like a variety of other
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: things as well as a letter you wrote your future
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: husband about why you were so happy to.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Have waited for your wedding night.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: And listen, I don't shame anybody who did that like that.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: That is admirable that you were able to pull that off.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Wasn't me and then couldn't be me, But that's.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: What you were.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: That's what we were taught, like a girl growing up
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Christian in Texas in the two thousands.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: So I am the fix your face friend. Yeck, I
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: had very similar experiences growing up in church. I did
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: not save a marshmallow, but the culty shit that people
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: come up with to justify this insanity. And listen, if
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: you want to save yourself a marriage, by all means,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: has nothing fucking to do with me. If you don't
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: want to save your self for marriage, you are in
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: absolutely no way whatsoever less important, less valuable, less marriable.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: It's all a.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Facade and it's just an exhausting, exhausting experience, and it
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: takes so much to cleanse yourself of that. I think
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: what I would say, like on a positive note to
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: the girlies is if you do, like survive all of
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: this like being fat, being skinny, being judged, have your
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: hair is too long, your hair is too short, you
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: don't get tattoos, piercings make you look like a whore
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: or whatever, no red lipstick, like whatever it is, you survive.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: On the other side, it is this like liberating freedom
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: that you can just like take a deep breath and
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: be at a place where you go through self love, Like.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Did you have a self love journey? Because I certainly did.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I am still on the self love journey. I think
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: it's an ongoing thing for women. You know, like one day,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like the baddest bitch in town. I mean,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Rihanna told me I.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Was a bad bitch.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: That's literally going on.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: My gymstyls incredible. She's like the best smelling person on earth.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: She is. I couldn't help myself. I was like a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: total weirdo when I met her. I was like, I'm sorry,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I just have to tell you, like, you smell incredible.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: And this Rihanna, it just smells so good.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: She is a girl's girl. Yeah, she's gonna take forever
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: to get to whatever event you're waiting on her for.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I waited four hours and then she showed up to
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: this red carpet. I mean, like the big names already
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: left the carpet. They were like, we're not waiting any longer.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit. But when she showed up, she
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: makes it worth it. Ten minutes on a red carpet
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: unheard of. Gave me ten minutes. I asked her a
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: myriad of questions, including about Bravo, which I knew she
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: was gonna like. We had some great moments, and then
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I asked her, you know what makes a bad bitch
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: because she had mentioned to another reporter like, oh, yeah,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like bad bitches whatever. Okay, So then like, what
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: does a bad bitch not do? And she was like, well,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: maybe doesn't call themselves a bad bitch. And then she's like,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: you know, does this little there's like this meme that
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of her biting her finger like this that's.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: From my interview. But then she said, he goes.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I know what they do do maybe wear gems on
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: their eyes And I was wearing these like rhinestones on
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: my eyes as a cat. I and she took my
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: camera and turned it around towards me, and I remember
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: being like, girl, you have no idea how much I
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: needed this because I had just ended my eight year relationship,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and so I was like, it's it's me and Natalie
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Portman publicly called bad bitches by Yeah.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: True, you're an elite class.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I'm very honored. So I'm like, can I put this
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: on LinkedIn? I feel like this is like a very
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: important thing for people to know. Yeah, it's like I'm
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: better than everyone actually one hundred percent. I don't know
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: where I was going with that.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: You were saying that on your Self Love Journey, Like, oh.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, So Rihanna's a big part of that. Like I
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: look at Rihanna and I'm like, this moment, she's like
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: three kids, constantly scrutinized, like the baddest bitch in the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: game in my opinion, Like how can I be more
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: like Rihanna? But like on a more serious note, it's
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: like figuring out who I am. I felt like growing up,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I had a strong point of view and I had
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of things to say, and I didn't mind
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: saying those things.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: But I would see other people.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: And be like, that is a fully realized person, Like
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: that person knows exactly who they are, and I was
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: in awe, Like I couldn't believe that they were able
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: to figure it out and maybe they were just faking
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: it till they made it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Like Lady Gaga, for example, she's your.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Age and I'm like, she's twenty two years old with
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: this like fully realized vision of like what Lady Gaga
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: was is and what that means to people, and then
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: goes on stage, writes this music, performs for millions of
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: people and like really sticks to her guns. Lena Dunham
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: is like another one, Like Girls. I mean I watch
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Girls now and I'm like, I cannot believe that she
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: got so much criticism.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: For her weight in that show.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: You no, literally, it is the craziest thing to go
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: back and watch that show. But she had such a
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: distinct point of view of like what she experienced in
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: girlhood that I'm like, how did you figure that out?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Like that is something I was personally in awe of,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and it took me a little bit longer to figure out,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: like who I was as a person and like what
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: what maybe because I was constantly thinking like what how
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: do other people see me? And I was thinking more
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: about that, like do people see me as someone with
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: a hard shell?
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Do people see me as like.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I say what I mean and I mean what I
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: say and I'm a hard ass and I don't really
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: care if I heard people's feelings or do they see
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: me as like somebody extremely emotional and empathetic? Like I
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: couldn't figure it out. I would say it probably didn't
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: happen until like the last three or four years that
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I was like, it doesn't really matter what anybody else
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: thinks of me. It really is just like who do
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I feel best as inside when I'm by myself, so
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: that that's my been my self love journey for sure.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: What's coming up for you next?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Like what are you excited about that is on the horizon,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: and like what in this like next chapter for you?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like you want to really achieve personally?
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Personally? Work is very important to me.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Always and capcorns sisters, Yes, and I you know this,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: as my therapist would say, not what you think, what
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: you feel.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Right right, And this is the thing too. It's like
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I can pretend that work isn't important to me and
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: that I need to have a better work life balance,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: but like I don't feel my best if I'm not working.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know how else to put it. Like it
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: just it is what it is. We get the balance
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: question a lot, but like what you're passionate about what
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: you do, Like what you do is a part of
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: who you are. Yes, and you do it every day
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: and it's like something, it's it's something in you. So
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: when people are like, oh, like, don't talk about work, like,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: but this is what I this is what I do, right,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: So of course I'm going to talk about it. Of
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: course it matters to me.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: And so the past seven years I've been building Los
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Angeles with my co host Sarah and I love doing it.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: We have two.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: Episodes a week.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: This is not a well oiled machine, right Like it's
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: it's working on its own.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: We have people that we have hired to do this
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: for us.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: And so it's less about me being in the weeds
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: of this show and more so about delegating and letting
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: the show thrive without me having like such a huge
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: hand in it. It's like, I'm going to show up
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: and do my job as the talent and the host
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and be less worried about whether or not the mic
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: is like in the B camp, you know what I mean,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Like like there are other people that need to worry
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: about that, and I'm really excited for what's to come
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: in terms of just myself as a solo person, not
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: a duo. I think, especially in beauty, Sarah and I
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: are a package deal or Los Angeles, so they're often
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: reaching out to both of us on the same emails.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: They want the both of us to do these things.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: And while I absolutely love our partnership and that partnership
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: is something that endures and thrives because we are such
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: close friends and have such care for each other, I
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: also realized in this last year like I have to
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: have something of my own to do, so the wheels
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: are in motion for that. I know a lot of
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: people say that when they don't have anything in motion.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: But I have been very strategically crafting a few things
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes that I'm going to launch this year,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm excited about that.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: And it's more entertainment focus.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Like you know, you come from sports, right, and it
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: was probably going out on a limb to do this
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: podcast where it's just a personal thing where you're giving
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: your own commentary, not just on sports, not even about sports.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: A lot of the time, it's most about, like your
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: POV on what's going on in the world. And beauty
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: has always been my crutch because I know a lot
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: about it. I know the big players, I know how
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: to get information, I know how to go behind the
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: scenes in that aspect, and I love telling those stories.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: But I've always been passionate about pop culture and entertainment
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: and commentary on those things, and so that's where my
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: focus is now headed in in dividing my time moving forward.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: So I'm excited about that and we'll see how it
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: goes well.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Fingers crossed, No, it's gonna go. It's gonna go amazing
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: capricorns don't lose. But I'm really, I really am. I'm
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: very proud of you. It's a lot to start a
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: new thing. It's a lot.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: It's a lot to start anything and maintain it.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: And what you guys have built is incredible and you
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: should be proud of that. But it also is very
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: important to like roll forward, you know, like find the
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: next iteration of you and what this version of you
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: is going to be the best at, and to remain passionate,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: you know, in a very gloomy time in the world.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I'm find like I find sometimes where I'm like, why
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: am I Like, I'm just gonna give up and go
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: to an island because this is everything is horrible.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: But you know, you have to keep you know, keep
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: calm and carry on.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: What's your advice for doing something singularly as yourself?
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: What advice do you have for me?
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: I think, hmm, that's a great question.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: You have to give yourself grace that you don't know
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: what you're doing.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: I did not I knew how to build a show.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Obviously, you have a journalistic background, like you know how
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: to ask questions, you know how to you know, put
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: together a show run down and do research, and but
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: when finding something that is new and different and you
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: want to stand out, Like for me, this show has
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: just changed so many different times.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: And even though.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Obviously I've always had a point of view on all
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: of these things, putting it into a space and putting
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: it out into the world, like, it just takes time
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: and patience. And like there's been things that I've been like, Okay,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: this will totally work and it doesn't work, and then
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: you're like, no, well fuck, it didn't work. But like
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: we are like, no, it has to work, Like this
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: is why I put time into it, Like I put
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: money into it. I put this energy into it, Like
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: why is it not working? So that's and that's still
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: an ongoing thing for me. So yeah, I think just
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: like give yourself grace that, like you, you don't know
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: exactly what it's going to be, and you've done this
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: with the show, so like you guys have changed things
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: in the show and you know, tried different things and
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: all that. But when it's on your own and it's
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: just you, it feels a little different.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the failure's just on you if it doesn't work.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: So, I growing up, I was the kid that would
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: rent the same movie every week from Blockbuster because I
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: knew it to expect and I knew I was gonna
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: like it right like it was Clueless and Carpool every week.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Same.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: If I know that there's an awkward part of a
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: movie coming up.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: That I don't like, I will literally get up and
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: use that I'm doing that part.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I will fast forward, yeah, because it's just like, I
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: know what I like, and I want to know that
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I invested my three dollars at Blockbuster the right way, right,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't get a movie that I disliked. That's kind
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: of where I have been struggling and why it's taken
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: me so long to really go out on my own
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: and be like, I'm doing my own show. I'm doing
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: my own thing in terms of entertainment, where I'm gonna
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: have to ask people favors. I'm gonna have to call
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: on my network and be like, well, don't give a
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: fuck about that, right that part? I can tell you
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't give a fuck about that. You've
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: done a lot of people favors.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you've. You've you've shown up to people's events,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: You've like you've done a lot that I'm not even
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: doing enough. I need to start ringing more people. That's
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: The audacity is coming out.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Get your ass down here right, Like you don't ever
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: feel bad about.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: That totally, but that that was the thing that was
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: kind of stopping me at first, like, oh, what how
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: am I going to get these guests?
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: Like how am I going to get a guess?
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Like how am I going to do it the way
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: that I envision it in my head without asking for favors.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: It's like, girl, that's the least of your problems.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Keep going.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: It's gonna be fine.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: It's gonna it's gonna be great. I'm excited for you
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: and I and I also think, like you know this,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: like the journey is long. It's especially if you want
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: to build something that's lasting. I mean, you guys have
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: already done that and think of like where you started
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: to where you are now, think of where you started. Yes, yes,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: the people who got that get that. Uh it's you know,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: it just takes it takes time.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: If people don't get Hamilton, I mean, we have a problem.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I do this at least once a day that it's
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: your vocal stem. It is It's like I'll say something
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: and then I can't. It's like my brain stops working
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: and I start singing Hamilton.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Well, this was great before I let you go.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Like I mentioned this earlier that I love your whimsy,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: uh makeup things.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: So is there like a trend you're seeing? It's super
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: fun right now.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I like went really daring and got like
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: some green eye shadow. Yes, so I'm gonna try that
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: at some point. I think maybe this week. But I
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: genuinely don't do a whole lot of fun stuff with
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: my makeup, but I want to, Like I'm I'm in
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: my whimsy journey, so I don't like freak out the
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: fuck out with everything that's going on. So what is
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: the trend that you're saying. It's really cute.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: Just maximalism.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: So having that green eye shadow, yes, like even just
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: take your finger and put a wash of it on
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: your eyelid and put you know, a little bit of
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: liner if you want and call it a day, Like
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be like a full makeup look.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: But maximalism is back. So we're seeing a lot of rhinestones,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of glitter, a lot of shimmer, whether that's
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: the cheekbone, the eyelid. Yeah, it's less about the clean
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: girl look. Like people are feeling free to go back
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: to this, like more is more twenty sixteen makeup.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: So I love twenty sixteen makeup.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, it was a put together look.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: It was definitely a time.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: It was a time I didn't love the eyebrows. We
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: weren't we didn't really have the eyebrows were. I feel
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: like we're living in the best eyebrow generation.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I agree, Like the eyebrows now are so good. But yes,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: maximalism twenty sixteen, like take elements of what you were
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: doing in twenty sixteen and like add maybe one or
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: two of those to your look, and you'll be set.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: One thing. What is your what is your absolute?
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Like I have two makeup items that I had not
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: function without, like apocalypse, I'm saving these two things. Okay,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: So I have Oh my god, I need to remember
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: her name. It's gonna absolutely kill me because I want
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: to quote her should I can't. I don't even think
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: I have it with me. I'll tag it because she's
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: she's a good friend of mine. But it's this glitter,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: like this gold glitter, and I put it on my
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: cheeks have I'm sure I don't have it on right
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: now because it's like a little too bright for on camera.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: But I were every time I do my makeup, it's
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: like I've never gotten away from the like the cheekbone highlight,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: but it's like intense and I put like a little
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: bit on my nose. I've done that my entire makeup journey,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: and I will not stop it. I'm not gonna apologize
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: for it. Love and I have the makeup Forever Endless
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Coco lipliner. Yes, and there's I'm I'm suck.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: Is that what you're wearing now?
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I'll not wear another of those, brother like I can't.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: I found it. I should just.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Buy it in bulk because if they ever cancel this,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna die.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: They will never because literally it's one of their best
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: selling liners, one of their best selling artist pencils.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: For reasons, I will go down to the facilities and
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: fight someone, yes and force them so well.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I Mine are mac gigablack lash. It's a mascara. It's
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: a tuobing mascara, the tiniest wand ever. It's a bristle brush,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: not a rubber brush, So I just to really separate
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: your eyelashes.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Do you have extensions?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I have No. I don't have eyelash to
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: be fucking found in my life. So if I don't have,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: if I don't, I just look like a wombat or
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: something like. If I don't have lashes on, I'm like,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: so I can't, no, not on camera.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: The reason why I was asking is because I was like,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: that's in a recommendation you're going to take. But this
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: mascara is truly the best for a reason, Like I
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: get sent so many products. I go out and buy this,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Like if I see it, I just need to have
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: it on my person. I have it in my purse,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I have it my bathroom and my travel bags.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I have it everywhere.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: And then this is actually like a recent find within
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: the last year that I've been really really obsessed with.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: It's a brand called Statue. They've gone super viral because
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: they create a peel off lipstain, and so.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: I, okay, I'm gonna try this one because I've been
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: I've been dabbling with the peel off lipstains. So because
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I'm addicted to the liner, I never like the other
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: colors on me, so I'm looking but the liner doesn't
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: last long enough for me. So that's why I have
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: to have it like in my pocket all day. Right,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: So this is a good one, yes, okay.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: So statue, I would say a shade you should look
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: into is hazel. Okay, It's like a brown and when
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: you put it on, you look crazy. It looks like
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: gothic lips and then you peel it off, but it
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: just it actually looks like endless cacal like on your
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: lip line.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, So hazel, and what is the name of it, statue?
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Statue, statue in Hazel, I like, and put it in
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: for me, please, and then you may.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: Also like cold call. Cold Call is.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: More of like it has like a pink tone to it,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: but it's a cool pink tone, and so it kind
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: of looks like, in my opinion, what your natural lip
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: color would look like. But I'm losing pigment in my
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: vermilion border, which is like the border around your lips.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: And that's just something that happens with age. It can
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: happen with sun exposure or things like that. I grew
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: up in Texas working at a tanning salon, so I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, thankfully. I learned when I was
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: eighteen that tanning beds were bad, but like being sixteen
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: using the high UVA beds every day, like not really.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: Great for your skin.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Satue, I feel like instead of going and
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: getting my lips blushed, which is still a possibility, I
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: put that on. I put it on before I came here.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: It just gives my lips that shape. It makes my
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: lips look bigger because it's filling in the areas that
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: have lost the pigment. It's actually like giving my lips
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: their shape again. So I use that and then I'll
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: put like, you know, Makeup Forever or Mary Phillips new
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: brand MPH or Half Magic is a great brand by
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Euphoria makeup artist Annie Davey, And I'll put that on
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: and then my gloss and I'm good to go.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I love that. I love it. Okay, I'm gonna try
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try this out because I do love the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: idea of the lip stain, but I just haven't found
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: a color that has replaced the Makeup Forever line totally.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: Victoria Duke Beauty is what I was thinking of.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: God. So she has this loose gold pigment that yeah,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: if the zombies come, I'm grabbing that, and I'm grabbing
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: you by by hand less go go Liner, and then
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: I'm good to go. Love h.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming down.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing all of your you know, personal
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: perspective on everything. It was so great to hang with
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: you in person, even though I feel like we've been
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: friends for a really.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Longside same and I'm just in awe of what you've created.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm really proud of you as like, it's so
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: great watching you parasocially and seeing you do everything that
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: you're doing.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: So thanks for having me.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, And make sure that you follow
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• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you,