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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 4-2-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: That's how exclusive it is. So if you're listening. When
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  Speaker 2: we transitioned out of the Sean O'Connell show yesterday into
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  Speaker 2: the Drive with Spence check Its, we had our little
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  Speaker 2: cross talk and then I handed it over and Spence
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  Speaker 2: brought up something that is should be one of the
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  Speaker 2: biggest stories we've had in college football in recent years,
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  Speaker 2: because the college football world is rife with tampering and
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  Speaker 2: it has become problematic and has become an issue in
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  Speaker 2: every school, every conference, every place. Okay, leadership has taken
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  Speaker 2: its sweet sweet time and trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 2: they're going to do about tampering what they're going to
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  Speaker 2: do about circumventing of the rules that are in place
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  Speaker 2: right now. There was conversation at the coaches conference last year, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we should we should condense this town, maybe we
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  Speaker 2: should do one transfer portal window instead of two transfer
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  Speaker 2: portal windows. And they made that rule change. And obviously
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  Speaker 2: we're in that era now where there's only one transfer
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  Speaker 2: portal window, which I think is better for all of us.
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  Speaker 2: Right And immediately what happened, conversation comes up about well, okay,
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  Speaker 2: how can you circumvent the rules that exist in this
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  Speaker 2: one transfer portal window? And unfortunately it is way too easy.
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  Speaker 2: And the way that you do it is you just
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  Speaker 2: quietly unenrolled from school and with equal quiet you enroll
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  Speaker 2: at a new place. Oh and then magically you're a
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  Speaker 2: walk on at USC. Now that happens to have a
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  Speaker 2: very healthy nil deal.
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  Speaker 3: Weird how that happened.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't enter your name into the transfer portal, You
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  Speaker 2: didn't go through the process that is now laid out
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  Speaker 2: very carefully, or that's probably the wrong way to characterize it,
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  Speaker 2: but it's laid out at least in a semi structured pattern.
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  Speaker 2: You can work around these things, and there's always been
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  Speaker 2: outliers and strange waivers. Even you go back to when
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  Speaker 2: transfers weren't a reality, weren't they weren't a thing. There's
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  Speaker 2: always been like a few people handling those sort of
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  Speaker 2: extracurricular cases. Well, as soon as we got a one
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  Speaker 2: transfer portal window mandate, the question came in, how do
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  Speaker 2: we fix this?
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  Speaker 3: How do we get around this?
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  Speaker 2: And that's part of the reason why the University of
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  Speaker 2: Utah is not going to be doing a spring game
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  Speaker 2: this year. It's not the only reason, I want to
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  Speaker 2: make that clear, but it's part of the reason. Because
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  Speaker 2: you want to mitigate the risk as much as you can.
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  Speaker 2: You start putting guys out there in a spring game.
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  Speaker 2: It's broadcast on ESPN, plus a random recruiting coordinator or
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  Speaker 2: a coach from wherever. It's just like, holy cal look
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  Speaker 2: what Larry Simmons is doing right now at the University
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  Speaker 2: of Utah. Let's go snag him. And then he gets
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  Speaker 2: a phone call his agent gets a phone call in
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  Speaker 2: a dead period and a time where it's illegal, it's tampering.
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  Speaker 2: But then instead of entering a name into the transfer portal,
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  Speaker 2: somebody like that potentially goes ah. You know what, I
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  Speaker 2: don't like the program here. I don't like the psychology program.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna unenroll from school and I'm gonna find
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  Speaker 2: myself somewhere else. It is the loophole that Tulane used
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  Speaker 2: after Jake reetz Laugh got expelled from BYU last year.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't have to put his name in the transfer portal.
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  Speaker 2: He was kicked out of school. There's no clearance involved there.
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  Speaker 2: He's a free agent. He's in the wind and he
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  Speaker 2: enrolled it. Tu Lane, you can't stop a guy from enrolling.
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  Speaker 2: Oh look at that. You can't stop a guy from
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  Speaker 2: walking on. Oh darn it, we don't have a scholar
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  Speaker 2: fellowship for you, even though you're going to be our starter.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what, there's no rule that says you
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  Speaker 2: have to be on scholarship to receive nil money. These
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  Speaker 2: are the loopholes that still exist and the NCUBA and
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  Speaker 2: Spence talked about this at the very beginning of a
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  Speaker 2: show yesterday. And I've been so frustrated that I'm watching
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  Speaker 2: Pat McAfee, I was listening to Dan Patrick. You go
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  Speaker 2: to ESPN dot com right now, and there's nary a
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  Speaker 2: mention of these agreed upon emergency rules. Right now, this
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  Speaker 2: is the penalty if you are caught tampering and attempting
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  Speaker 2: what they call ghost transfers. Six month suspension, excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: six game suspension for your head football coach.
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  Speaker 3: That is beyond the death penalty.
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  Speaker 2: That is the most severe penalty the NCUBA, the College
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  Speaker 2: Sports Commission, whatever governing body has laid out.
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  Speaker 3: For college football.
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  Speaker 2: A six game suspension, a half year's suspension if you
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  Speaker 2: do it wrong, and this is even better, a financial
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  Speaker 2: penalty to the tune of twenty percent of a football
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  Speaker 2: program's budget. So you're talking about six game suspension for
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  Speaker 2: a head coach and a multi million dollar fine if
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  Speaker 2: it is found that you are encouraging ghost transfer you
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  Speaker 2: are circumventing the transfer portal window. That is a massive penalty.
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  Speaker 2: It is a sincere effort to quell some of the
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  Speaker 2: tampering problems that exist. Certainly, when the transfer portal window
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  Speaker 2: is about to open, they still have to address that one.
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  Speaker 2: But now that it is firmly closed, we know, we've
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  Speaker 2: talked to players. These phone calls are still happening now,
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  Speaker 2: it's not the twelve times a day like back in December,
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  Speaker 2: but they're still happening, and the NCAA Board of Governors
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  Speaker 2: has come down and said, no, we need this to stop.
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  Speaker 2: And I have criticized that toothless organization for many years
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  Speaker 2: for being exactly that, just a facsimile of their former selves,
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  Speaker 2: a powerless, cowering organization that is so scared of litigation
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  Speaker 2: they won't do what's right for college athletics anymore. After
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  Speaker 2: thirty years plus of doing what is wrong for college athletes,
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  Speaker 2: now they're just like, well, we're too scared to fight
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  Speaker 2: it out. We can't do it anymore. Well, this is
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  Speaker 2: finally a stepping up to the plate. And I've scoured
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  Speaker 2: the internet trying to figure out why aren't more people
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  Speaker 2: in my business talking about this? Why is this not
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  Speaker 2: a bigger story? And guess what, it ain't because late
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  Speaker 2: regular season basketball is that much more fascinating. It's not
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  Speaker 2: because you have actual Final four game. That's not why
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  Speaker 2: there's no distraction on that level. It's not because the
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  Speaker 2: upcoming NHL playoffs are really drawing Pat McAfee's attention or
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  Speaker 2: getting the hard core college football fans to take their
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  Speaker 2: eyes off the ball.
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  Speaker 3: What this is about is nobody believes.
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  Speaker 2: That these penalties will be enforced. Think about what.
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  Speaker 3: That means for the state of college sports.
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  Speaker 2: That ESPN dot Com doesn't even feel that this ruling
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  Speaker 2: that was announced yesterday is important enough to write an
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  Speaker 2: article about. Do me, let's test this out. Okay, if
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  Speaker 2: you're in front of your work computer, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to get you in trouble. Hopefully you have access to
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  Speaker 2: you know, sports websites and things like that. Go click
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  Speaker 2: on ESPN dot com side scroll over to the ncuble
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  Speaker 2: AF tab. That drop down is going to bring you
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  Speaker 2: the top headlines and it's Big Twelve's your Marke in
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  Speaker 2: Texas tech booster bicker over schedule. Okay, that's not what
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about here.
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  Speaker 3: QB.
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  Speaker 2: Mendoza puts on a show at Indiana Pro Day. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with this new potential rule
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  Speaker 2: change to prevent tampering in college football.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, is Mendoza going to unenroll and go somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Now he doesn't have eligibility? Left that good point, then
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  Speaker 2: Golden and dabbo. Oh oh here this one might be it.
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  Speaker 2: NCAA proposes ban on players who stay in draft. Oh no,
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  Speaker 2: that's different. That's a basketball thing. Why does that even belong?
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  Speaker 2: On the NCAA football subhetting ex. Wisconsin tight end, Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State's Ryan Day likens college football to dinosaurs, adaptor die
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  Speaker 2: Texas A and m Lands Number eleven prospect defensive end
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  Speaker 2: burns sus Ken State, and officials over twenty twenty five firing,
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  Speaker 2: ranking the football coaches and teams that are likely to
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  Speaker 2: improve in twenty twenty six. Which teams, coaches, and players
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  Speaker 2: have the most to prove in twenty twenty six. These
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  Speaker 2: flaws could hold back the NFL's top qbs.
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  Speaker 3: There is not a mention.
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  Speaker 2: Of a potential rule change that leads to a six
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  Speaker 2: game suspension and a twenty percent of your football budget
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  Speaker 2: fine on the lead website covering all sports in our
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  Speaker 2: Great Nation under the NCAA Football subheading over an NCAA
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  Speaker 2: football rule. The reason they didn't write anything about this
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  Speaker 2: is because the NCAA doesn't have the power to enforce it.
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  Speaker 2: An ESPN maybe a little bit too in bed with
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  Speaker 2: certain conferences and things like that are just like nothing
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  Speaker 2: to see here, nothing to look at here, because SEC coaches,
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  Speaker 2: if you go to CBS Sports or you go to
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  Speaker 2: the athletic where the articles do exist. An SEC coach,
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  Speaker 2: speaking on the condition of anonymity, says, there's no way
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  Speaker 2: that this holds up, this blee holds up. They're not
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  Speaker 2: even worried about it. Like, imagine the governing body. Who's
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  Speaker 2: the governing body for sports talk radio, James, the national
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  Speaker 2: governing body we have the FCC. FCC regulates it.
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  Speaker 4: There's also the National Association of Broadcasters. It's more like
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  Speaker 4: a union.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So the FCC sends me an email saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: here's a new rule where if you say super califragilistic
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  Speaker 2: xbladocious on air, uh dumped it. Don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 2: You get a six whatever suspension. It's six month suspension
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  Speaker 2: and at twenty percent fine of your station budget. If
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  Speaker 2: you say this thing on air, and instead of being like,
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  Speaker 2: oh boy, I better worry about this, I just go Nope,
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  Speaker 2: not enforceable. Don't have to worry about it. Billy cal
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  Speaker 2: Market New Market is junk mail in the folder. That's
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  Speaker 2: where we've gotten with the governing body in college football.
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  Speaker 2: They sat in committee meetings and they were doing zoom
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  Speaker 2: calls and phone calls, and they're flying people out on
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  Speaker 2: first class to sit around those gigantic, enormous Camelot style
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  Speaker 2: round tables and like, let's hammer this out, let's hash
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  Speaker 2: it out.
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  Speaker 3: Let's figure out how we stop tampering.
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  Speaker 2: How we stop the situation where when a coach is
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  Speaker 2: leaving to take his new job, he's calling the guys
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  Speaker 2: they're committed to the school that he was just at
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  Speaker 2: and like, hey, you want to come with me? How
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  Speaker 2: do we stop the Zacharias Williams is from leaving Utah
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  Speaker 2: after spring football. We already shut the transfer portal window,
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  Speaker 2: so how do we make sure that people don't just
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  Speaker 2: follow the the Jake Retz laugh move and say, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to go through the transfer port I'm
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  Speaker 2: just gonna unenroll and then re enroll somewhere else and
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  Speaker 2: I'll be a walk on with a two million dollar
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  Speaker 2: nil deal. We have to figure out how we stop this,
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  Speaker 2: and they spend time, money, resources energy figuring out something
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  Speaker 2: that is I mean, it is a stiff, serious, scary
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  Speaker 2: penalty if you believe it's enforceable. And the problem is
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  Speaker 2: that because the lawyers have won the day for everyone
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  Speaker 2: or lost the day, depending on your perspective, for everyone
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  Speaker 2: on both sides of the fence, in college football, but
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  Speaker 2: especially when it comes to player movement and rights. The
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  Speaker 2: coaches and athletic directors and football operations people and maybe
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  Speaker 2: players who get this announcement or I send you a
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  Speaker 2: li I tweeted out like look at this, this is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: What a stiff penalty. You're just like, Nah, that can
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  Speaker 2: happen now, just more billable hours man.
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  Speaker 4: And going back to ESPN conspicuously subbing themselves out of
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  Speaker 4: reporting on this, I guess is how well withdrawing from
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  Speaker 4: reporting on this is how we'll characterize it here. It
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  Speaker 4: feels very similar to remember all the NFLPA drama that
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  Speaker 4: led to the executive director getting fired basically had forcibly
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  Speaker 4: resigning and the guy who was his number two is
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  Speaker 4: now the new executive director, which I feel like is
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  Speaker 4: very ironic.
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  Speaker 2: J T.
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  Speaker 4: Tredder or j C. Tretder or whatever his name is.
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  Speaker 4: ESPN didn't report on that either. All of their guys
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  Speaker 4: like Mike Florio were up in arms about it on
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  Speaker 4: The Dan Patrick Show, and Pablo Torre was one of
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  Speaker 4: the guys reporting on it from his podcast. Pablo Torre
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  Speaker 4: finds out he was talking with Florio they were teaming
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  Speaker 4: up to do to report on this, and they were
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  Speaker 4: up in arms about why has an ESPN done anything
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  Speaker 4: about this? And it's just it's funny that we find
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  Speaker 4: out what a month, maybe a couple months later, we
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  Speaker 4: find out the ESPN bought into the NFL. They've got
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  Speaker 4: an ten million dollar equity deal with the NFL or
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  Speaker 4: whatever the number is. They own NFL Network, now, they
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  Speaker 4: own NFL Red Zone. Rich Eisen is back on the
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  Speaker 4: air because of that. Oh, and then it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: that's why they didn't report on it. I wonder what
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  Speaker 4: what kind of thing that they have with the NCAAA,
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  Speaker 4: because it's it's not like instanway is not like the
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  Speaker 4: NFL these power conferences, not like the NFL where you
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  Speaker 4: can where it's just like you can conceivably buy into
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  Speaker 4: it the way they did with the NFL. So it's
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  Speaker 4: very curious to me what ESPN feels like they stand
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  Speaker 4: to lose if they report on.
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  Speaker 2: This, which doesn't make any sense at all. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: not here to like make the ESPN absence from this
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  Speaker 2: story part of the story.
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  Speaker 3: To me.
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  Speaker 2: What matters is like Clark Lee from Vanderbilt, he put
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  Speaker 2: out a statement, He's just like.
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  Speaker 3: Man, this is a necessary step.
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  Speaker 2: We need this, And one of his colleagues in the
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  Speaker 2: SEC was just like, this is not enforceable, don't care.
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  Speaker 2: So your perspective the like, we live in a nation
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  Speaker 2: of rules and laws, and there are plenty of people
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  Speaker 2: who are just like, yeah, they don't apply to me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna worry about that because
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  Speaker 2: unless I get caught doing something wrong, doesn't matter. Right,
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  Speaker 2: all of us are guilty of it with like minor
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  Speaker 2: traffic violations. You know, I'm gonna roll through this stop sign.
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  Speaker 2: It's two in the morning, no one else is driving
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  Speaker 2: around in the neighborhood. I'm just gonna like go about
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  Speaker 2: my merry way. This one way street, Well, live around
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  Speaker 2: the corner. I'm gonna go.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go this wrong ways.
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  Speaker 2: Spence has a bunch of frat boys in his neighborhood
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  Speaker 2: doing that, and he's wagging his finger at him all
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  Speaker 2: the time. But you know what I mean, Like the
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  Speaker 2: X amount of miles over the speed limit, I'm personally
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  Speaker 2: willing to go over, depending on it highway or not. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we live in a nation of laws, but all of
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  Speaker 2: us are law breakers and rule breakers on some level. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: and when it comes to the things that we believe
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  Speaker 2: actually matter, that's where we're like, yeah, no, I like,
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  Speaker 2: I'll go seven miles an hour over the speed limit,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna go fifty miles an hour over
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  Speaker 2: the speed limit.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not running a red light, I'm not running a
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  Speaker 4: stop side, but I'll go like like seven seven miles over,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Like all occasional look at my phone while I'm driving,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not going.
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  Speaker 3: To drink and drive.
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  Speaker 2: Right. We all have like a threshold, And the problem
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  Speaker 2: is in NCAA athletics, the threshold doesn't exist anymore. When
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  Speaker 2: someone introduces a rule, introduces a law, the first question
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  Speaker 2: that the attorneys ask, and that the players ask their attorneys,
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  Speaker 2: their managers, their agents, is like, Hey, if I need
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  Speaker 2: to how do I get around this? Right?
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, the.
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  Speaker 2: First question that a hell of a lot of coaches, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: are asking is, oh, that's a pretty serious suspension.
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  Speaker 3: How would I be able to get around that?
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  Speaker 2: And some of them look at it and go, uh,
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  Speaker 2: don't have to worry about that, Like, I don't even
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  Speaker 2: need to know his answer to give you his answer.
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  Speaker 2: But we could ask Morgan Scali about this after practice today.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, have you seen this new rule? What do you
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  Speaker 3: think of this new rule?
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  Speaker 2: Morgan Scali will be the one that says, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: it's necessary, it's needed.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad it's here.
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  Speaker 2: We need to reduce tampering, right, I know, Morgan, that
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  Speaker 2: will be his stance. There will be somebody in the
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  Speaker 2: same building. There will be somebody in every other building
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  Speaker 2: in college football that goes I'm glad you believe that,
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  Speaker 2: head coach. But like I know how we're going to
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  Speaker 2: get around this if we have to. And that is
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  Speaker 2: where we have failed the student athlete, We have failed
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  Speaker 2: the fan, We have failed the sport world entirely by
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: letting attorneys control everything in college sports.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: There is.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: There is an atmosphere now where the norm in college
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: football is to push these rules and bend these rules
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and break these rules as aggressively as possible and potentially
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: deal with the fallout if your lawyer can't get you off.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Like the neighborhood you live in, there's maybe one person,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: there's one neighbor who doesn't respect the norms, doesn't respect
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the laws. See something on your porch, Hey, that's an
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Amazon package. I'm gonna go see if that's mine. I
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: want that maybe right. You probably have like one, maybe
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: two people in your neighborhood that are these types of people. Oh,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: they left their car window down at nights, I'm gonna
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: go see if they got anything good in the glove box,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: like they're outliers in society. Oh you left your front
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: door open, I'm gonna come in and take your TV.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Those people. Most people are just like, oh, man, they
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: left their front door open, let me close it for him.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Most people in regular society are willing to follow the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: rules laid out, not because of enforcement, not because of
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: fear of getting caught, but because we all have this
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: tacit agreement.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Then it is better to live in.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: A society where it's not just this insane free for
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: all where we all do whatever we want, live on
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: some hedonistic principle where's like I'm gonna do whatever feels good,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: and what feels good right now is taking James's shoes.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: He's got that nice pair of Jordan's. I've always wanted
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: those their mind.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Now, the problem in college sports is that instead of
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: being one person in your entire neighborhood, is now ninety
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: percent of the people in the neighborhood, and damn near
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the kids in the neighborhood.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: In this case, I'm talking about the student athletes.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: As soon as something comes up that is just like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I don't like this anymore. Morgan scally said, I have
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: funny haircut. I don't want to be here anymore than
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: their agent, their mom, their dad, or whoever. In way
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: more cases, in the most common cases, it's like, we
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: can get you out of there. We can get you
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: out of Xavier Lucas transferred this way. Jake rerhetz laf
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: transferred this way.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: His case is a.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Little different because he didn't have the option of returning
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: to BYU.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Now without the stiff suspension of course, and you just
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: circumvent the rules.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: We live in a nation of laws.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: People. I don't want you to be the guy that
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: drives fifty in a sixty five, But I don't want
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: you to be the guy who closes his eyes and
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: drives drunk at ninety miles an hour either. And that's
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: where we're at with a lot of these college football coaches, administrators,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: recruiting coordinators, nil people. They're just like, no, get me
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: what I want, I want it now. I need a
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: wide receiver. Call that wide receiver, tell him to unenroll
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: from his school and re enroll here. And he's a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: walk on who I am going to bankroll, and we
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: will figure it out. And this penalty proposed by the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: NCAA should be front page news on any sports outlet,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: because six game suspension and twenty percent of a football
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: budget is a death knell for a football season, for
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: an individual football season, head coach being gone for six
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: games and twenty percent of your budget being cut is
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: a serious penalty. But most people are looking at this today.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Many people in the college football world are looking at
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: this today and going, I don't have to worry about that,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: because even if we do get somebody to ghost transfer,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: even if we do lure somebody into an unenrollment re
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: enrollment scenario, I got the attorneys that are gonna make
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: sure I don't serve that six game suspension. The NCAA
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: does not scare me. When you were a little kid, James,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: did your parents ever tell you, like, hey, you know
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: where the cookies are in the pantry, do not eat
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: those cookies. And you were just like, I'm not gonna
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: eat those cookies. I'm gonna get my buttlooped if I
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: eat those cookies. And so you didn't eat the dang cookies.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: There's plenty of stuff that I for so to speaks,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: to stayed on the straight and arrow with because I recognized, hey,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: my parents whatever other authority figures like they mean it
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: right they and I didn't. I didn't have to know
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: what the punishment would be, just they told me not
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: to and I know they mean it, so I'm gonna not.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Do it now.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: I wasn't try to put out there that never broke
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: a rule, but like I was, I was pretty pretty
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: good rulefaul where most of my life pretty naive that way.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And guess what most because of that, most of us
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: are and we could call it naivete but it's really
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: in some ways it is, especially when we're talking about
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: a little kid, don't eat the cookies. Mom My dad
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: are gonna spank if eat the cookies. Like it's actually
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: just like the rules that govern our society, the bonds
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: of just like honesty and integrity. Even people that you
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: don't consider to be overly honest and having a ton
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: of integrity are actually in most cases they're kind of
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: following like ninety nine percent of the rules, and maybe
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the outlier thing is like, oh yeah, that person steals there,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: they're a shoplifter'. I don't want to encourage shoplifting, but
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: that person is not likely also to be a murderer
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: In a shoplifting gateway crime right.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Now in college football, in college basketball, and college softball,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: in college volleyball, and college gymnastics, all those I guess
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: to a lesser extent than the revenue producing sports. It's
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: just this free for all that the adults in the room,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: to use a term that I probably beaten to death,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: the adults in the room are just like, I know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I told you not to eat the cookies, and you
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: were not supposed to eat the cookies. But since you
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: needed to eat the cookies, I'm going to get an
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: attorney to defend you and get you out of the
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: penalty for eating the cookies. Yeah.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Well, if they didn't, your honor, if they didn't want
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: my client to eat the cookies, then they should not
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: have told my client where the cookies are exactly.
• 27:05
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• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Like, Well, your honor, it turns out that my client
• 27:09
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• 27:12
  Speaker 2: nutrition his body can absorb is actually peanut butter oreos.
• 27:17
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• 27:19
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• 27:22
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• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Are we beasts of the field and we just want
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: this poor child to suffer?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: No, he needs the peanut butter oreos.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: It's a unique condition called I need sugar itis?
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: Could you.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going back to all the scenarios at which I
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: did something that my parents told me not to do,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and wondering what would have happened if they were just like,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: all right, here comes spanking, and I was like, hold on,
• 27:51
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• 27:55
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• 27:57
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• 28:01
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• 28:07
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• 28:09
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• 28:11
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• 28:20
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  Speaker 1: He said, let's get the latest called the Utah Jads
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  Speaker 1: with former Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more
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  Speaker 7: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Here's oh C with basketball sob on Gordy Chiasa on
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  Speaker 2: Come on, Welcome in Gordy Chiasa, our resident NBA guru
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  Speaker 2: here in studio with us on ESPN seven hundred. Isn't
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  Speaker 3: Gordy, Long time, no see it's been.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: Thirteen hours, Yes very much, and showing last night we
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: were together at the Delta at a shown was a
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: a lister. I'm a d lister. And it did work
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: out though, and walkin Scalley was there in case o
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: Utah football fans. Walgan was there, sitting in front row
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: where he deserves to be. Sean and I were sitting
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: up in the high raptors where we deserve to be.
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: That's you know what I mean. Yeah, you talk about
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: real A listers.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: You got Morgan and Spence Ecles down there court side,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and then you got me and Gordy up there in
• 31:25
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• 31:26
  Speaker 7: However, our humble beginning, Sean and I, we had a
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: good time enjoying it. And more importantly, the Jazz were
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: competitive again. I know it sounds there's definitely there's ray
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: of hope. Certainly the Jazz played a hard fourth game.
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: Nuggets had to win, and they did. Jamal Murray was
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: absolutely spectacular for the Nuggets point of view. Hey, Sean,
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: give me the hot sauce, will you please on.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: My food?
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: Because Jamal Murray last night thirty seven points, twelve for
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: sixteen overall, ten for sixteen from three point range and
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: including a possible walking violation half court shot where he
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: took an extra step at the end of the first
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: quarter and made it. Maybe they made the shot go
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: in and he had it rolling last night. And Nikolai
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: Jokic was his sixth time in the last seven games
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: a triple double fifteen points, seven boards, and twelve assists. However,
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: he has six turnovers, which was a longing. And the Nuggets,
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: they are a tremendous team, but they've got to play
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: better defense, Sewan, So that's very never because the last
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: night's game, just generally speaking, they've got to get better
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: defensively with a more of a focus but a jazz
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: point of view. Quickly, cal Philipowski, do you realize this,
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: Sean and James and all listeners that Philipowski has averaged
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: twenty points a game, ten rebounds, six assists in the
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: last four games, including last night twenty five points, twelve
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: rebounds and three assists. So cal Philipowski in that role
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: right now. So next year rolls in the dude, but
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: he can play in the NBA and be off the
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: Ben's contributor.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned Jokic.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of people in the building
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: last night to see some you know, one of the greats.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: He's gonna be one of the all time greats when
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: it's all said and done. A lot of people in
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the building, even Jazz fans, are like, I got to
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: go a Nuggets game see somebody like that play.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: And we were talking.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: He had this beautiful no look pass all the way
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: across court into the corner for a three point shot.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: That is just unnatural for a big man to have
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: that kind of court vision and timing and things like
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that on his passes. And that's part of the reason
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: he had twelve assists in this game. Later, after you
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and I had separated, he had a play that was
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: on the exact opposite end of the spectrum for me,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And I want to know how you handle this if
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: you're a Nuggets coach and if you're a Nuggets teammate. Look,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think the outcome of this game was really
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: in doubt for most people. But you know, the Jazz
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: were rallying in the four quarter, they were playing hard,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: they were hustling. Jokish made this like horrifically bad outlet
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: pass after a rebound, and I think it was sensible.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: He just threw it to the opposition, right, and fine,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: that happens. Whatever. When you're better more than you when
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you're good more than you're bad. You can deal with
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the turnover here and again. But then he groaned. He
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: just put his arms and he stood there, Gordy, his
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: feet did not move again after he threw the turnover pass,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: and the Jazz just fast break right behind him and
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: score a bucket.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: And he's standing.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: There looking at the jumbo tron lamenting his bad pass
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: instead of trying to correct the mistake. And I was
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: like that, that is bad body language. That is a
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: bad example of how you're supposed to play basketball. No doubt,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: he's one of the best in the game, one of
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the best in the world, one of the best. Ever,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: when it's all said and done, like I just mentioned,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: but that right there, how do you react to it
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: if you're on his team and you're his coach.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe we saw that.
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, disappointment first and disappointing. But here's the thing about it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: Teaching point. When you inbound the ball, don't throw the
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: ball blindly inside the first thing. Inbound the ball always
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: with two hands. So Sean, if you had a faked
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: the ball still in your hand, he did one like this.
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: He non shown I threw the ball into the wrong team.
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: Sense the ball. Who was very alert sent the ball. Also,
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: if he knows what he did, he was crouched, he
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: was low and so he didn't see him, meaning Yokage,
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: and he threw the ball with one hand versus two,
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: and that was a steal. That's bad. The worst part
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: about it, Your point is well taken. Where he had
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: cement feet, he'd even move, he'd even try to make
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: a play on the ball to try to recorfire it.
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: At that moment, he was playing backwards instead of forward.
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: And even the great players like Yogage, they do that.
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: It's uncalled for, it's unnecessary. I'm sure they'll show that
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: in the film today as far as far as the
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: session to show that, to teach everybody inbound the ball
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: not blindly but with two hands. Since it bob he
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: was alert. He made a good play on the ball,
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: and it really it kept the Jazz momentum going. That
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: game was hard for it till even until the end
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: and the last two and half minutes of the game,
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: that's when they that's when the Nuggets subbed out. So
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: you can learn from it. No one's perfect, but the
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: better teams have less show and I call that self
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: inflicted turnovers. Sure, it wasn't the defense, it's him.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: So John Conchard was hustling all over the place last night, right,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: good to see.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I think the fans reacted well to it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Obviously, you know there's some uh, there's some Jazz fans,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: especially in the building that reward effort. Teams down like
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: twelve Conchars makes a hustle, play steel and everyone gets
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: on their feet. It's like, I was truly impressed last
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: night with the fans as much as I was with
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the Jazz team. But for a guy like Conchar he's
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: not getting a lot of minutes in a normal season.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: He's not getting a lot of minutes on a normal
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: team that's not in a tank. These minutes that he's
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: showing that kind of effort, he's showing that good stuff.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: What could it do for him as his NBA career
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: moves forward with the Jazz or without right, because he's
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: not going to play twenty nine minutes in an average
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: NBA game probably ever when a team's trying to win.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: But when you're putting good tape out there in these
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: tanking efforts, what does it do for a player?
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: It's his value. So all the teams are watching the
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: players perform, especially on a non winning team's end of
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: the season. Who plays to win, who plays for themselves?
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: And Conchar plays for the group. And that's why he's
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: an impressive guy in that role. And that's the key
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: word as far as what is his role for the Jazz,
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: track is team friendly showing it's six point six point
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: five million next year, it's guaranteed in the in the
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: in the NBA lexicon. That's very good contract for the Jazz,
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: and so I'm assuming that they'll keep them here unless
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: there's some sort of mega trade showing on July first
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: with uh, we'll say Walker Kessler, where the Jazz might say, say, hypothetically,
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: just sign and trade him with other pieces they add
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: another really another elite star player. So Conchart would be
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: valuable with other teams also with the Jazz. In that role,
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: he's he'll excel in it. He hustles. There's nothing like
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: guys that play hard, you know, I ask this question
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: playing hard is a skill just like shooting, dribbling, passing, rebounding.
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: Because it wasn't a skill, everyone would have it. And
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: that's why John Contard those guys are valuable to the
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: Jazz in particular, but other teams also they add value
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: every day and actual want to do is professional athlete,
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: you want to add value to your resume of why
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: you should have me on your team and on your roster.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: One more home game this season for the Utah Jazz,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: it's Houston, Oklahoma City, New Orleans on the road. They
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: back home April tenth against Memphis. Then they finish on
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: the road against the Lakers. So you've got one more
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: home game and I mean, I imagine that home game
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: is going to look like a lot of the games
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: that the Delta Center did this year. But what's the
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: mentality of a coaching staff, staple on the team, maybe
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: even members of the front office knowing that you're going
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: to shut the lights out for one last time against Memphis,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: but then when you flip them back on again next year,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: everyone's gonna expect you to win instead of what these
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: last four years have looked like.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: So what does that Memphis game look like? With all
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: that in mind?
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: One the finale this season, and two we're going to
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: get We're going to start over afresh, starting literally when
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: the players leave exit the locker room. I say this
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: all the time. It's very interesting that these same fifteen
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: players will never be in the same locker room, Sean,
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: and maybe in the same state ever again. Together. It's
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: pretty powerful that these guys were your teammates and floormates
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: and you might never see them again literally in the
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: same room as a collective group. So from managment point
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: of view, they're going to thank all the players for
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: their efforts. They're going to talk to the players about
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: what they should work on. Most times, usually speaking shown
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: with a young team, the management and the workout people
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: give the team to give the players usually three weeks
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: on their own. So for example, they wouldn't start working
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: guys out until probably we'll say early May May May fifteenth,
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: right around there, and then they'll start again as far
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: as with their core group, as far as keep working
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: them out, as far as trying to improve their skill level.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: Because where the NBA calendar is that the playoffs starts
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: showing on Saturday, April eighteenth, and the playing tournament starts
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: on Tuesday, April fourteenth to Friday April seventeenth. But in
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: jazz basketball, Sewan, this is Mother's Day, and Sean, I
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: know everybody loves their mother, whether than heaven or not.
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: Right now, is that Sunday, May tenth, But in Jazz basketball,
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: that's the NBA Draft lottery selection order, So that's when
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: the Jazz find out when they are picking, and that's
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: going to be a huge factor as far as that.
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: So management is going to work with the players as
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: far as what they have to work on. The coaches
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: get also well deserved rest for a few weeks. Then
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: everybody in the personal side is going to start evaluating
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: the draft.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: All Right, We've got Gordy Chiers all the way until
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: about twelve thirty, so I'm going to try to stay
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: on our clocks maybe for the first time in several months.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Plenty more to talk about in the NBA. We had
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: a revelation, We gave some sound to you yesterday about
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: tom Izzo talking with the Sons about a head coaching job.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Plenty of things that we need to pick Gordy's brain about,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: So don't go anywhere. You listened to the Sean O'Connell
• 42:25
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• 42:27
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• 42:30
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• 42:38
  Speaker 1: You a tune to The Sean O'Connell Show. From the
• 42:40
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• 42:45
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• 42:48
  Speaker 2: We got Prince bringing us back in on the radio.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: We've got Brett Hart. Oh that's not Brett Hart. Who's
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Brett Michaels. We got Brett Michaels on the Pat McAfee
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: show on the TV in front of us. Apparently he's
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: performing live at the NFL Draft. I want to know
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: how many guys that are being drafted into the NFL
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: have ever even heard of Brett Michaels.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: What a wild What a wild choice by the NFL.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Uh shout out to Rock of Love, that weird dating
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: reality show that he did a long time ago. It
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: would have been twenty ish years ago now. Fantastic stuff.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: All right, Gordy Chase is here in studio with us.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Plenty more NBA to get to. But we also have
• 43:32
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• 43:34
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• 43:40
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• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Will z Allen Torris is your leader aka Happy Gilmore's caddie.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Obviously he's at six under five under tied for second.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Is there's three guys tied for second, including our guy,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Rose Park's own Tony Fenaw, one shot off the lead
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: at five on. Let's see Austin Smotherman also the smother
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Man also in that group tied for fifth. There are
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: some big names like Tommy Fleetwood in there. He's in
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: the group tied for fifth at four under, two shots
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: off the lead. And then rounding out the top ten,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: you've got Kevin Streelman Seawoo Kim at three under. So
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: it's a tight leaderboard so far here at the Valero
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Texas Open, including and good for our guy Tony Fenw
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: He's had a bit of a rough go of it here,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: at least in the first round. He's not just in
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: striking distance of making the weekend. He is one shot
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: off the lead through eleven holes, so good for Tony.
• 44:42
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• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Gordya Chase is here in studio with us. Tom Izzo
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: said that he and Matt Ishbia had some serious conversations
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: about Izzo jumping to the pro ranks and taking the
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Phoenix Sun's job. It's always revisionist history when you hear
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: about these things after the fact.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: But yeah, what do you think of that possibility?
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Gordon?
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: Well, the first thing is that Matt played for Tom
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: Misso back in two thousand as a walk on player,
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: so he's Tom coached them in college, and it could
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: have happened that. I'm sure the job was offered. They
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: get the job to Jordan Ott, who's done a tremendous
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: job for the Suns. The Suns right now of forty
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: two and thirty four and they're the seventh seed trying
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: to climb into the sixty for the playoffs. All right,
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: So this is the great debates shown for the last
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: fifty years. Why does so few college coaches do well
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: when they get a job as the head coach in
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: the NBA? And I listed this five reasons why. One
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: is the length of schedule. There's eighty two games and
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: these games or most of them are absolutely grueling, and
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: so there's no letup. It is a marathon, it is
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: not a sprint. And so college coaches most times now
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: in this generation, we roughly thirty five to thirty seven games,
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: but eighty two games plus usually there's a six preseason games,
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: so we're talking eighty eight games, and if you're a
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: good team, you go into the playoffs, usually playing ninety
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: games one time. Showing in jazz basketball the just played
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: back in nineteen ninety seven season. In nineteen ninety eight,
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: we played one hundred and ten games the whole each season,
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: one hundred and ten, which shows you how crazy it is.
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: So the length of schedule is a factor as far
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: as coaching adjusting as far as college coach. The second
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: one is team practices, so you practice absolutely way alone more,
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: but also the practices aren't as long because there's so
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: much physical wear and tear on the players that as
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: a college coach you've got to read judge your mentality
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: where practice is so important it is, but you can't
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: have it for long practices because the players they're they're
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: mentally and physically. You've got to keep their energy up
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: as far as playing. Next one is with that also said,
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: now you're in charge of roughly of twenty five people
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: around you in the program, meaning assistant coaches, video people,
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: the medical staff, as far as trainers. And now you've
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: got to understand that each each one has a different
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: component how they view how they view it, and you're
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: in charge of them. So that's a factor as far
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: as how do you temper them, as far as getting
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: everybody on the same part of it. Next part travel
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: plane rights. That you're absolutely you live on a plane,
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: and that you've got to understand about the mentality. There's
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: the rigors of travel. You travel internationally. You know what
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: it's like. Picture being an NBA player where you're a
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: star player, say Victor wen beyonmber all right, whose body
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: frame is angular with those high hips and he's playing
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: will say four games and seven days, including of three
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: plane rights, and that you that you can't practice hard
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: with those people, and you've got to give it the
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: proper rest, both mentally and physically. And the last part
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: about it, as far as the fifth reason why or
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: often head coaches in college don't make really successful pro coaches,
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: is that, oh, by the way, in college, you're the
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: star of the organ of the franchise. They need the team.
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: You're the head coach. But in the NBA there's only
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: one star, and that's the players. Those two or three
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: main guys in your team, they are the stars of
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: the team. Jerry Stone used to say this all time
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: shown and a perfect NBA team would be the team
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: is d champions. The photo of the team is the
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: twelve players and no coaches in the photo. No coaching. Yes,
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: Sean said it for decades.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: I believe it. I've said it. He said that. But
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: the coaching matters.
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: It does matter. But with the star players, give them
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: their due. So the team photo NBA champions, it's just
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: the players, not the coaches involved. That's a mentality you
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: have to readjust Some say I understand it, but they don't.
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: The most recent one right now is Billy Donovan. So
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: Billy Donovan who I coach that Providence so I know
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: since he's twenty years young. He's been reported Sean right
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: now to be the coach of the North conn of
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: tar Heels. He's denying it. I get it. I understand.
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: You have to on the contract with the Bulls. The
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: Bulls right now are heading to the fourth straight losing season,
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: Even though Billy Donovan is a good coach, back championships
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: at the Florida Gates six and seven, but might get
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: hir get hired by the Carolina Tar Heels. Even Billy
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: would say that it's a tough adjustment going from college basketball,
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: even though you coach a lot of guys they're gonna
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: be in the pros on you in your college team.
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: It's the whole thing around you that's overwhelming.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Gordy, how much variation is there still in today's NBA
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: around how teams manage all that stuff you just mentioned, right,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: the workload, the travel, you know, the I guess, the
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: dynamics between player and coaches. We have so much history
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: now in the NBA of what has worked and whose
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: philosophies have worked. You would think that if you got
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: a head coaching job in the NBA, you just be like,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna replicate as much of what Greg
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Popovich did as possible. I'm gonna do as much of
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: what Phil Jackson did or Jerry Sloan did as possible.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: How uniform is it from team to team, coach to
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: coach that you handle all these things, these logistics and
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: the practices and the shoot arounds in a say in
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: a similar fashion.
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: Well, the coach in college was successful doing it a
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: certain way, and it's hard to have people alter some
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: of their success by giving it by by a different
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: level now. And so they they say often that I'll adjust,
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: but sometimes it takes them a year or two to adjust,
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: and by that time, Sean, they've lost part of their
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: star players as far as believing in them. And that's
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: why it gets very interesting. So you've it's better to
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: be over ready shown any job than to be underready.
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: And that's why it's it's critical that you that they
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: hired people that have been at the level most times, Sean,
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: I say this often, whether it was a college coach
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: or whether the NBA is that when you hire somebody
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: for a new job, you get hired to be a
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: head coach in the say college basketball. You're only allowed
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: to I say, only one person that wasn't at that
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: level to begin with. So if your college coach will
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: say Alex Jensen, there's there's some terrific high school coach
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: out there that you really think is a tremendous coach, Great,
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: hire them junior college coach and or hire them, but
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: you've got to hire the other three or four people
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: that are full time. They have to ready be at
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: that at that level, already to be hit the floor
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: running that if there's if it's a steep learning curve,
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: it affects everybody in the NBA. The sad thing Also,
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: you're a star player, you become a head coach in
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: the NBA. So like Jason Kidd, who also coached when
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: I coached the Nets, is that his first job was
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: with with the Milwaukee then the Nets and then the Mavericks,
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: and so we had to hire people around him that
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: were assistant coaches that were already in the NBA. From
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: a coaching philosophy that you know, these drills that we've
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: always do all the time, I think they're successful, whatever
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: duels are as far as a teaching opponent of it.
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: And then also understanding the length of the game. That
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: the game is much longer than college basketball, so you've
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: got to understand the dynamics of it. It's really it's
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: really humbling Sean about how about in the NFL, first
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: time coach.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is okay, So we've talked about this. This
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: is being a coordinator, first time being a coordinator, first
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: time being an NFL coach, first time being a position
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: coach in the NFL. You get these It's the ladder
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: that most people have to climb, right, But oftentimes not
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: all that often you'll get a college coach who gets
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: the opportunity you think they should keep mostly an NFL staff. Yes,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: don't bring the guys that were with you in college
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: that helped you be successful in college, because it's that
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: different of a dynamic with pro athletes.
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: Yes, you can hurry a few, but not. Don't bring
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: the whole staff. Do not do not, even though you
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: feel much more comfortable. Again, is that it's cruel professional sports?
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: You know, they say, we'll be patient. Oh really, we'll
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: be patient. Oh really, we'll be patient until why you're
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: suddenly suddenly why that that you're you're not winning and
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: you think you should. And the reason why is because
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: you don't understand and implement the dynamics of what it
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: takes to one at that level. Even though it's still
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: the same game of word there, it's still the same
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: port of sport, but not the same game. It's much faster,
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: more fit. In the NBA basketball, it's much faster, it's
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: more physical. There's there's better players around you showing often
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: in the in the NBA, most of the young star
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: players never heard of the guys of the team's bench players,
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: and they can't believe how good that guy was. That
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: guy's really good. Where did he play at? What school
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: did he go at? Where where's he from? And then
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: so you play against him and he really Wait a second,
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: this guy's coming after me.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking at to compare and contrast and try
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: to illustrate your point. I was like, Okay, famous college
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: coach got an NFL job. What did his staff look like? Right,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: the one with the most obvious local connections. When Urban
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Meyer had his failed experiment in the NFL, what did
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: his staff look like? And he was about fifty to
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: fifty so he probably brought in too many college coaches
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: in your opinion, Probably interesting.
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, probably because again Sean, the learning curve is steep. Yeah,
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: even though you know the game like you do know
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: the game, you know football, you know basketball, but there's
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: this different dynamics involved, and the other guys you play
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: against are always good. There's no letup, Sean. Like last
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: night you and I were together. You can make a
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: narrative if the Jazz made a few more defensive stops
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: and wasn't of Jamal Murray having a heat wave game,
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: the Jazz with their ten day contract guys could have
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: won that game. If three or four things went their
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: way tilted their way during the game, suddenly the Nuggets
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: would lose that game. An illustration is that even with
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: lesser teams and guys that really aren't on everybody's radar,
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: they're still good players. And that's what's so humbling about it.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: All Right, we got to take a break. Gordy's with
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: us for another twenty seven minutes, so we're gonna maximize
• 56:35
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• 57:03
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• 57:06
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• 57:10
  Speaker 2: One of the many reasons I love talking to Gordy
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: chiers Is. He always brings a different angle to look
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: at things. He always brings in something that we haven't considered,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: whether it's in basketball or elsewhere. During the break, we
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: were just talking about the NFL head coaching world.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: And you've got a.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: First year head coach this year with the Cleveland Browns,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: who Todd Munkin is the first time head coach at
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: age fifty nine when he was hired. It'll be sixty
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: when he coaches his first NFL game, A longtime assistant, right,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, well, why wouldn't the NFL hire
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: more guys that are experienced like this, Well, you're either
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: like a career assistant and you can work in the
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: league until you're in your seventies, or you're given head
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: coaching opportunities when you're young for the most part. And
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: actually the individuals who have been hired for the first
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: time head coaching opportunity after age fifty, so you're an
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: over fifty rookie. Only three of those guys in the
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: NFL have finished their careers as head coaches with winning records.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: The combined win total regular season win total for all
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: these fifty year old coaching rookies is three hundred and
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: thirty three wins, four hundred and twenty four losses, a
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: forty four percent win percentage, which is obviously below the
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: standard that you want for an NFL franchise.
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: So interesting it always is, and it tells his story,
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: and that's why franchise is always trying to do both
• 58:48
  Speaker 7: hire that younger assistant coach and promote him because he's
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: a great communicator or the older veteran that's been around
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: for a long time, but his totally set in his ways,
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: and that is more steadiness about him as far as personality.
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: I just described right now, really showing Michigan football right now.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they did.
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: They hide Kyle who is absolutely steady. What you see
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: is what you get. There's no absolutely gray area, and
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: Michigan is all on about that. Because of the previous coach,
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: it didn't work out some self inflicted.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: You know, I was talking with an assistant coach at
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah Tuesday's practice and we were talking
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: about the stylistic differences, and you know, he kind of
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: had a laugh about what Morgan Scalley just has to
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: do so much on his plate now and he was like,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I could never do. And I was like, well, hold on,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: you're probably going to be a head coach someday. He's like, yeah,
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I guess so. And that's someone who's right now. In
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: college football. It's shifted very very young, right, So you're
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: talking about when you round into like your mid thirty
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: you're probably starting to campaign for head coaching opportunities. It
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: used to be mid forties or fifties before you got those.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: This is a guy that's now in his mid forties,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, I've watched his entire career and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I thought, someday he's going to be a head coach.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: And I'm looking at it now and be like, you're
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: about to age out of having a first time head
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: coaching opportunity. He's never been a head coach before. I
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: was like, that's actually pretty crazy, because as a human being,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: he's still a young person.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: He's a young guy. He's got all his life left,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: But in the coaching world, we've swung so young now
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: that if you don't have that first time head coaching
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: opportunity when you're in your mid forties, you're starting to
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: be the upper end of that spectrum.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: You've mentioned for the average agent NFL head coach right
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: now is age forty seven. Yeah, and so this shows
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 7: you that that's a young person aged forty seven. However,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: it probably has at least minimum twenty five years of
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: experience as far as coaching football or coaching basketball. Sure,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: so you're twenty two to twenty three years old, you
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 7: didn't didn't play in the NFL, or didn't play over,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: didn't play in the Canadian League and the NBA, didn't
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: play in Europe, then suddenly started your coaching Korea. As
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: far as learning the craft, coaching is a craft. You know,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: there's like there's no place to go to learn how
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: to be a coach. You realize that there's no Okay,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: I'm going to major in coaching in college, really like
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: what what school has that? And so it's really trial
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: by error. And the more people you work with when
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: you're a younger person in the profession, you get a
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: whole galaxy of things that you that you like or
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: you don't like. And that's why and later on you
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: take for everybody what you learned about and putting your
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: own recipe for success.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: All Right, I'm gonna ask you an unfair question.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Right now, right, you get dropped into a team president,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: team owner, general manager role. Whatever. They say, Gordy, we
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: need to hire a new head coach, and we've got
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: these two candidates for you. One of them played ten
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: years in the NBA or professionally if you want to
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: say Europe, that's fine, and he's been coaching for ten
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: years since playing for ten years. The other guy started
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: off as a coach, and only a coach. He played
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: in college whatever. He's got twenty years. So they both
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: have twenty years of experience at the professional level. But
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: one of them has been a twenty year coach, climbed
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: the ladder as an assistant, he was cutting tape way
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: back in the day.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: The other guy played ten years in the league and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: now as a ten year coach. You only get to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: choose one. What's the better, hire the.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: First guy to ten they get the player that played
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: ten years in the NBA, and we've coached for ten
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: years because why yes, street credit okay, with the players.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: It's in other words, if you haven't played in the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: NBA or the NFL, and you so you have to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: have how do you get street credit with the players?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 7: You have to be unbelievable teacher of the game, like
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: you know where you're one of the best teachers in
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: the world of basketball. And just as important, you've got
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: to be able to talk to talk and communicate and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: though if you're a non NBA or non NFL former player,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: that's that's how you thrive in professional coaching. So that scenario,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 7: I would go for the first option, not the discredit
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: person in twenty years in the NBA or the NFL
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: as assistant coach. I'm going with somebody had a player's thing.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: This generation is much different now, Sean. It's the it's different,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: and it's never it's gonna get even crazier with AI
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: coming along someday hits there right now. So the ability
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: to communicate with younger people, and how do you do that.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: One is being a world class listener. Listening is a
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: sign of intelligence. And two, at the players field, generally speaking,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: that you really care about them as people. That's what
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: I call shing and caring. You share your knowledge of
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: what you know, but you care about them as an
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: individual player, and that's how it gets That's how you're
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: able to succeed. Plus, also, the players have to believe
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: in you of what you're saying. That sounds simple showing,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: but you know something, it gets very cloudy in the interpretation.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: All right back to the current state of things in
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: the NBA with the playoffs approaching, play in tournament right
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: around the corner. Are the Golden State Warriors handling Steph
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Curry correctly?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: Yes, yes they are. They're sitting them out. They're going
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: to try to play them, possibly the last showing two
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: games just to give them some some reps in a
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: game as far as the speed of his Steph Curry,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: the world's greatest shooter, which we're talking about giving him
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: some reps. And I know that they're not going to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: uh if it is doesn't play any game the last
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 7: few games, they will not. He will not play in
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: the playing tournament. You can't do that to them because
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: there's such a factor as far as getting some competition
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: in the present tense right now, So he's right now.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: Showan's talking about the Warriors right now with the tense seed.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: They can't go any any worse than that. They're thirty
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: six and forty. They're gonna play two road games, probably
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: against the Blazers on the road, and probably the winner
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 7: the lose upont the loser of the Clippers' sons in
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 7: the play in tournament, and so they're gonna try to
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: get some juice with their team. It sounds really weird
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: saying it, but showing the Warriors have actually somewhat overachieved
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: without Jimmy Butler and those guys, and without Steph they're
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: tense seed. That's where this should be. So he's gonna
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: try to play the injury right now he has right now,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: as far as injury is a condition, all right, there's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 7: so much wear and tear on that small body of
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: Stephen Curry, and there's so many jumps in that jump
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: shots in his legs where his body is slightly breaking down,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: and what he has right now is right knee swelling
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: and soreness. Based on what thousands of games played at
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: the highest level, it happens, Sean, he's thirty eight years old.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I mean I got out of competition at age thirty
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: five because I wanted to quit while I was ahead.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: You don't like seeing and you hope it doesn't happen anyone.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: And obviously the smaller bodies I think handled it a
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: little bit better. But it's one of the worst things
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: when you watch your heroes age as athletes. Right, you
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: see a guy that you watched in the NBA, especially
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: like a big seven footer now in his fifties, and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: you watch him trying to move around, You're like, oh
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: my gosh, what did you do to yourself? I mean,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: we all love the late great Bill Walton, right, and
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: he maintained this incredible positivity and this really sunny disposition,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: but he had to bring around it like you had
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: to bring a special chair around with him to do
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: those broadcasts for those years because he couldn't sit in
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: a normal sized chair. He couldn't bend his knees down
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: that far without having himself get it all locked up,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: mess with his knees, messed with his back all that.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean Steph Curry is not a giant
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: in the same way. But that's a lot of up
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: and down, and even those of us mere mortals who
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: haven't been jumping for our entire adult life get the
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: wear and tear.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: Add to that, Bill Walton had twenty two surgeries on
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: his body during his Korea at both his back, also
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 7: his ankles and his feet. And so that's what reason
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: why It's all connected as far as we have injuries.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: Lower injuries are created by so much stress and wearing
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: tear on your knees and below.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Did you ever have a player dealing with a collapsed
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: lung as you're rounding into the playoffs? Cave Cunningham with
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Detroit has a new moo thorax that collapse lung. Now, look,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: sports injuries are serious enough by themselves when we're talking
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: about internal organs, something as important as your long And
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: I know doctors are great. Medicine is fantastic, and they
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: find relatively routine recoveries here. But this is a professional
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: athlete and the lungs are this engine that drives everything
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: in your exertion.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: So have you ever dealt with this? Have you ever
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: seen teams deal with this?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 7: I've not dealt with it. But Jajo McCollum had a
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: collapse lung a few years ago, so he was the
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: most recent NBA player and he missed literally half the season.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 7: And so with Kay Cunningham, they are hoping to get
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: him back in the first round of the playoffs. But again,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: the doctors will absolutely use very good precaution. If he's
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 7: not ready, he will let he won't play in that
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 7: first round. And speaking of the Pistons, they're in first
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 7: place fifty five and twenty one. They won their the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: Central Division title this year for the first time in
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: eighteen years, since two thousand and eight. And do you
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: realize that the Pistons two years ago had the worst
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: recond in basketball where they only won fourteen games. So, Sean,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 7: they went from fourteen wins to now fifty five fifty
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: five victories as we speak, in a two year period,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 7: led by Kate Cunningham and led by this young superstar,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 7: also Jellen Duran and all the other supporting cast and
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 7: they've done a tremendous job. And now the point of
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 7: reckoning now is with Kate Cunningham. I think they can
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 7: get past the first round, but they need Cunningham in
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 7: the second round to play against probably either the Calves
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: or the Hawks in the second round.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: Gordy, what's your list today?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 7: My list today? It's a short one also, and you'll
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: before I forget Sean, we got so much feedback from
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: the list the other day about that short list, about
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: the crown of a basketball and people are talking about
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: the adults. On last night they were asking me about
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: what about so and so and so and so and
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 7: so and so, and I had to tell them, well,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 7: they're right, but they were an Olympian or they weren't
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: a they weren't an NCAA championship.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: That was our trivia question.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Somebody want somebody won Weezer tickets because of the knowledge
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: that you gave.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: I'm glad I could help out them and Weezer. But
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: helping out right now, here's the Korea Top twelve whin
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 7: it's NBA players combining regular and postseason victories, the most
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: games ever won individually by an NBA player. What is quickly?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: What are some of the attributes. One you've got to
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: be a skilled basket maker. Two health and longevity persona,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: so that's what you've got to have a long career.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: Three you need other talented floormates to help you win.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: Four generally speaking, you're an elite late game closer. And
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: five you got mentally strong. A dozen of the greatest
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 7: winners of all time in NBA basketball, Number twelve, Scottie
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 7: Pippen played in nine hundred and forty six victories. Number
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 7: eleven all time, Shaquille O'Neill nine forty eight, Number ten
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: of all time, Kobe Bryant nine hundred and seventy one,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 7: number nine, Dirk Nowitzki nine hundred and eighty five, number eight. Interestingly,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: I didn't know this Sean Derek Fisher played in one
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: thousand and fourteen victories Number seven. I worked him out
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: twice with the Jazz. One time, Sean, the Jazz didn't
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 7: draft him. He went to the Spurs. Well, the Jazz
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: thinking at that time front office. Tony Parker one thousand
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: and twenty nine victories Number six. I coached this guy
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: for sixteen years. John Stockton one thousand, forty two victories
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: Number five, his trusted sidekick. Also former Jazz man Carl
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: Malone one thousand and fifty victories Number four all time.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: Robert Parrish one thousand, one twenty one, Number three, the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: trusted sidekick of Towny Parker, that is Tim Duncan one thousand,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 7: one fifty eight the last two. Kareem Abdul Jabbar second
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 7: all time one thousand, two hundred and twenty eight and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: the number one winner of the most games ever won
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: NBA basketball. Between the regular season and postseason. He plays
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: for the Lakers. He's still going strong at age forty one.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: He's gonna add to this is Lebron James. He's been
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: in victory wise one thousand, two hundred and twenty nine games.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 7: Thus that's my winning list of today.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: I would be remiss if I didn't ask you one
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: more NBA question. We've got we already, you already mentioned.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: You know, you've got the NBA Draft lottery coming up
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: and the Final Fours this weekend. We'll get to that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: here in just a second. How set are teams on
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: their opinion of players at this juncture of the process.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: Not at all?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 7: Okay, no, not at all. No, there's still debate, Oh
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 7: very much. Yes, it's ongoing.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: It never stops, especially with that top three, four, five,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: where the Utah Jazz are projected to be. Although I
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: guess seven is the most likely statistical outcome for your
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: upcoming draft pick. But there's still a lot of potential
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: movement rolling around in there.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: Oh very much. Yes, there are. And that's good. It's healthy,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: is that everybody has their voice and opinion and then
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: the decision make is gonna take it all together and
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 7: then they're gonna decide, and it's absolutely critical and Jazz
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: Basketball who they take and the other teams also because
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: you hit the home run. Like example, I know weapond'
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: clock right now, disperse Stephen Castle in a before home
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 7: run and Victor Ren beyond the home run, back to
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: back years home runs.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Final four, Yes, before I let you go? Who advances.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: Yukon and Arizona?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: All right, Yukon Arizona, Natty, let's go.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but remember, Sean, can I give can I quot
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 7: right now? Charles Dickens, Sure you don't mind. From from
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: the Tales of the Tails of Two Cities, Sean, my
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: bracket was the best of times. It was the worst
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: of times. So please do not go by Gordon Chias
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 7: as far as NCAA basketball, do not trust me, do not.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: It's it's the the number one testament we have to
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: present to you. How your bracket. It's such a wild
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: attempt to try to play guest work. The guy who
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: knows way more about basketball than any of us is.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: He's down near the bottom of our rankings and our
• 1:15:15
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• 1:15:18
  Speaker 7: That's why I belong. He's talking about me, and that's
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 7: where I belong. And I get too emotional in my
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 7: picks because I have a hard time going against coaches
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 7: that I like their families. I'm sure I'm not exaggerating.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 7: That's fair in my I know the wife and the kids,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: the grandkids. I can't do it morally. Yikes.
• 1:15:40
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  Speaker 2: a potpourri of stories. I'll start with positive news. This
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  Speaker 2: is good news. Pooka Nakua has checked into recap to rehab.
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  Speaker 2: You don't ever love the idea that someone needs it,
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  Speaker 2: but look rehab. There's some real science behind it. There's
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  Speaker 2: obviously huge, huge numbers of positive outcomes for people. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it happens the first session, sometimes it happens when you
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  Speaker 2: check yourself in for the third or fourth time. But
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  Speaker 2: it is clearly a step in a positive direction for
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  Speaker 2: Pookainakua in making sure that he can get himself on
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  Speaker 2: the right side of things. His attorney mentioned that you
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  Speaker 2: know he's taking accountability for his actions and he wants
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  Speaker 2: to improve his behavior in all areas. The rams were
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  Speaker 2: asked about it, they're showing support to Pooka. Les Sneed,
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  Speaker 2: the general manager says he was asked about, well, are
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  Speaker 2: you worried about the contract? You know, this is a
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  Speaker 2: kid who's due for like a two hi million dollar
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  Speaker 2: plus contract. Are you worried because of his erratic behavior?
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  Speaker 2: And Snead said, you know what, we're gonna handle the
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna worry about the human first instead of the contract,
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  Speaker 2: which you love to hear, whether it's genuine or not,
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  Speaker 2: you could probably question. But that's that's awesome to hear
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  Speaker 2: a general manager talk about the person first. So congrats
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  Speaker 2: to Puka and whoever helped him get into this. That's
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: the right decision to make. Get yourself cleaned up and
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  Speaker 2: figure it out. The Kansas Bill Self saga has been
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  Speaker 2: decided at least for one more year. Bill Self told
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  Speaker 2: Kansas and everyone who is paying attention that he has
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: renewed clarity. He wants to coach another year at least,
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  Speaker 2: and so that's what he will do. Obviously, if you're
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  Speaker 2: Kansas and you have a multiple time national championship head coach,
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  Speaker 2: you let him stay for as long as he wants
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  Speaker 2: to stay right right.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you do with co which is like that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how many of you are watching baseball yet,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: I've told you that I myself usually don't get overly
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: dialed in at this point in the season, but the highlights,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: at least in the storylines. If Major League Baseball was
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: looking to institute ABS, their automated balls and strikes, that
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: they were looking to bring the computers in to help
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  Speaker 2: make the calls more accurate. I don't know how much
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  Speaker 2: they thought this unintended consequence, or maybe it is a
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  Speaker 2: fully intended consequence. I don't know if they anticipated how
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  Speaker 2: much we would be talking about the use of technology
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  Speaker 2: and what the ABS did.
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  Speaker 3: In certain games.
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  Speaker 2: It took us all of nine games into the Major
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  Speaker 2: League Baseball season for the final out, the ultimate outcome
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: of the game, to be the result of a challenged pitch.
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  Speaker 2: Rangers orioles two to two count looks like it's maybe
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  Speaker 2: a little high, and outside ketcher says, nope, that's a strike.
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  Speaker 3: You go to the system.
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  Speaker 2: Right there inside the top corner of the square. Game over. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Because of this, you're gonna have the opposite side too
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  Speaker 2: right where batter thought that was ball three coming in,
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  Speaker 2: thought the game was gonna continue.
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  Speaker 3: Ketcher said nope.
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  Speaker 2: Umpire ultimately says nope, and catcher gets the call runs
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  Speaker 2: out to congratulate the pitcher. Now we win. Okay, okay,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: game's over. Awesome, wonderful. You are going to get at
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  Speaker 2: some point, and maybe we thought it would happen halfway
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: through the like three games from now, you're gonna get
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: a scenario in which a pitcher throws a ball he
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: thinks is the final strike of the game, out number
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: twenty seven.
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  Speaker 3: This is it, We're done. Everyone starts celebrating.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: Guy gets punched up, and then the batter goes hold on,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the game's over. Will helmet tap, will
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  Speaker 2: helmet tap? Uh challenge, challenge. I don't like the way
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  Speaker 2: these guys are celebrating. Challenge my friends. Yeah, I don't. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so, guys. And then the umpire after,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, doing the full I mean, because you
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  Speaker 2: are bringing out your best punch out in the final
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  Speaker 2: out of the game. This is the this is the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate outcome, This is the final decision, right Steve.
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  Speaker 3: Heyay, Pitchers going bananas.
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  Speaker 2: Catchers jumping up and down manners, coming out of the
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  Speaker 2: bull pens, spitting a whole mouthful of seeds. But they
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  Speaker 2: think it's done. And then the batter goes no, wait
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  Speaker 2: a second. I don't know why I make the batter
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  Speaker 2: the annoying person here, but I've chosen to.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: He's the well, actually annoying guy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so, guys. And then you go to
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  Speaker 2: the system and the ABS says, no, actually there was
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  Speaker 2: a ball. The inning could continue for like another seven batters.
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  Speaker 2: That is going to be weird to see game over. No,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: it's not. You know, Roxy Bernstein's gonna join us in
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  Speaker 2: about an hour. I'm gonna ask him about this. Because
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: he calls Major League baseball games. He calls a ton
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: of college baseball games as well.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna have to.
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  Speaker 2: Be involved in one of these scenarios, maybe multiple scenarios.
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  Speaker 2: It's got it.
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  Speaker 4: It's just as if not more awkward, maybe a little
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: less awkward in that range for the play by play guy.
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  Speaker 2: And this isn't this isn't a new thing. By the way, in.
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  Speaker 4: Football and basketball, especially play by play guys make big calls.
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  Speaker 4: We heard, like, for example, the Yukon game winner if
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  Speaker 4: that had happened. At the buzzer, you hear Iron Eagle
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  Speaker 4: do the exact same giant call, and then I'll replay,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: let's say, hypothetically replaces Ah, his fingertip was still on
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: the ball. They have to redo after there was no momentum,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: like the it's been ten minutes. Oftentimes, the crowd is restless.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: They're like, we're not into this anymore, and they have
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: to come up with They have to summon the same
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: kind of energy baseball is gonna have to do. And
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: they they've had to do the same thing with some
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: the challenge system they've had so far. But this is
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: this is something totally different for baseball that we've never
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: seen before. It's gonna be it's gonna be awkward for everything.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be some awkward moments. And I just can't
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: imagine the smugness that you experience when you're either the
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: catcher correcting the umpire's call, or you're the pitcher correcting
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: the umpire's call, or you're the batter correcting the umpire's call.
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  Speaker 4: And there's this muchness just be like, oh, look at that.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: You thought that was a strike.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so, Buddy, not so fast to my friends,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: that's the ball. Here's the thing. I enjoy the conversations
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: we're having around this, around this right now. I am
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: going to tire of them in about twenty games. It's
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: going to be one of these things where the gosh, dang.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: It's then and then we'll have the energy for them
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: again come playoff time and be tired after like maybe
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: a game.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: If you are a homeplate umpire in Major League Baseball,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: enjoy twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 3: Your job is gone after this, you think, so.
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  Speaker 2: I don't foresee a scenario in which you just for
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  Speaker 2: the sake of tradition, keep trotting out home played umpires
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  Speaker 2: when even though the the ABS system is showing that
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  Speaker 2: they do a really really good job.
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  Speaker 4: When they're off, they're what's it's typically by percentage point,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: where by like less than two inches or something.
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  Speaker 2: They're not off very often relative to the number of
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: pitches in a game, and the number of pitches that
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: have been thrown so far in Major League Baseball were
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: already in the multiple thousands, right and there's been plenty
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: of successful challenges, but they're most of their percentage is
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: very very very high. And when they do get it
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: wrong quote unquote wrong where it doesn't you know, meet
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: the little outline, the little artificial outline on your screen,
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  Speaker 2: it's usually by.
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  Speaker 3: Fractions of an inch.
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  Speaker 2: Right, which, again, like it's just that's just it has
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: been for years and years. That's just baseball, you know,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. Though, if you're handing the ultimate authority
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: to a machine, which they already have done, they're not
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: going to just keep employing people for no reason.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: Counterpoint, Okay, because it's very logical argument to bring. But counterpoint,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: Tennis still has chair umpires and line judges, and Tennis
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  Speaker 4: has been doing that basically the same they've used basically
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: the same system for to challenge whether whether balls are
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: in or out. So i that tennis is not as
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: big a deal, it's not as visible of a product
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: sports wise, particularly in this country. So you could still
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: be right about that because we just care more about
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: baseball than we do about tennis. And maybe that's why
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: some of that tradition, that human element has survived.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a really good counterpoint actually, because there are
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: there are plenty of sports, right, Like the NHL doesn't
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: need a referee to tell you that the puck went
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: into the goal. They don't need that. Censors, chips, instant replay,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: you don't need it, but we use it. We still
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: use it now. Those referees also have other functions. Home
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: played umpires and line judges in tennis, chair judges, whatever.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: They don't volleyball, same thing. That's their whole thing, and
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: technology could have.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: Replaced them completely right decades ago, right, right, So maybe
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: they survive, maybe this right because they've seen that it
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: that we can still have these humans in charge.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: And maybe the tradition in baseball is just so seeped
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: in and so ingrained and so strong that Major League
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Baseball itself was just gonna be like, hold on, I
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: know it's a lot more efficient. I know it's smoother,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: I know it's more accurate. I know it's cheaper. But
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: umpires in baseball it's like Cracker Jackson baseball, and it's
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: the seventh inning strict. It's just like, I I hope
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: you're right, yeah, But if I'm at home played umpire,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: I am shaken in my boots and I'm just like
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: I hope that I hope they give me opportunities at
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: first base, which they do.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: They rotate them, which, by the way, you can get
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: if they do get rid of home played umpires because
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: and the reason why your point is so well made,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: even though I have said there's examples of other sports
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: where they still use humans when they could have gotten
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: rid of them, is because they also have taken away
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: the ultimate final authority on whether a guy was safer
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: out and you could just be like, I'm the sky
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: sees everything. We don't need someone there. So that's already
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: they've already been chopped at the knees with that, with
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: the replay rules preceding this, and now this is another
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: blow to them.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: So you know you're actually convincing being though that it's
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: gonna stay because the drama even of like the the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: replay review, the play at the plate, the moment the
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: punch out or not.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: Blue Jays Dodgers Game seven, Kiner filefa Did he get
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: a smidgeon of his cleat on the plate, but the
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: call on the field was out.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: You can't really tell. I was saying.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: I was saying, you know what, I could be convinced
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: that he did touch the plate before the ball got there.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine?
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: And you're bringing up great points here, can you imagine
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: if you go to replay, because replay sees everything except
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: when it doesn't. Right.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine if there was no call on the field.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what we defer to when you don't
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: have a good replay angle. It's not incontrovertible evidence. It's
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: not irrefutable that you gotta overturn here.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: Imagine if there's nothing to overturn.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: If it's just like, I don't know, if there's just
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: a machine with the gears spinning, just like error error,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: error error, I cannot see I cannot see the plate.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's that's when that's when I guess AI
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: says I can make a ruling here.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you'd be so mad. You would be so mad.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: You're so bad. The only thing that could be better, though,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: than homeplate umpires is if you had a robot umpire
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: that was just doing the exact same thing that ABS
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: is doing.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: Right, an actual robo umps not the nickname for this system.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: That's like an actual like physical robot out there, okay,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: And it's.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: Like steam rac some built in Japan, no doubt about
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: three a steamer Rac two.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: And then when invariably there is some disagreement and a
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: manager is just bored sitting in the dugout, they come out.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: We wouldn't feel bad if the human manager ended up
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: taking out their anger and frustration on some robotic umpire
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: to where it's just like smashed pieces with a baseball bat.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: You're out of here. You ain't check did and.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: They're just smashing it. Shut up? Are you ready?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: Are you ready for obscure movie reference?
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: Cool runnings with the pool stick or blitzer John Candy
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: knocking out of the radio another radio, another radio. Yeah, okay,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: well done, do that to the robop. We do have
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: a good text in here saying still need homeplate umpires
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: to call foul balls down the line and plays at
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: the plate, and you need.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: To call on the field. You need to call it.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: You're right what we're coming down to here. How crazy
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: would it be to be the home plate umpire and
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: you didn't have to call balls and strikes?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: That would be you'd feel like, I don't really feel
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: like I have anything to do.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't have to be behind the catcher bard.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: As heck, yeah, standing next to the on deck the
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: guy in the on deck.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Circle, and then when contact has made you run over
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: the plate. Oh that's foul. Well that's fair. Oh, here
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: comes to play the plate. You scurry over there. I mean, man,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: I now that I now that I've heard the counterpoints,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: I am happy to say you're keeping You're keeping homeplate. Umpires,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: You're just like you're just gradually stripping their authority. You're
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, Kyle Whittingham, you can stay, but we're
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: gonna let somebody else have decision making power.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: All come, all comes back to the email, all comes
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: back to the ways. Oh man, there other thought we
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: were done talking about it. Not so fast, my friend.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you still need And by the way, you just
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: like baseball, of all things, is the sport that is
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: going to do things just for the sake of tradition.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: The unwritten rules of baseball say you have to have
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: a homeplate umpires. Well no, actually the written rules, so
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: you have to have a homeplate on union says we
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: have to have home we have to have all playing umpire.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: Speaking of I mean, we're we all found out in
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: the last year, we all rediscovered the fact that there's
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: an NFL referees union.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: There.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: We gotta we gotta assume there's an umpires union. That's
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: that's saying, yeah, you can't get rid of us. Sorry,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: we're not going to agree to that.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they would. By the way, speaking
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: of umpires, you see your boy Sebe Buckner, had he
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: got uh, he might have a concussion.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: So, for those of you who have not been watching
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: baseball or haven't been listening to the show, Sebe Buckner
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: is maybe the worst umpire. He's the guy that everyone
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  Speaker 2: just like, what are you doing? He got in the
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  Speaker 2: most challenges or something?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had five.
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  Speaker 2: He had He was five for five on challenges wrong,
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  Speaker 2: including back to back pitches.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And then he went to first base in the next
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  Speaker 2: game and he called a runner out for not having
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: touched the bag when it was like a challenge. He
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: didn't just touch the bag, his whole foot did down
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  Speaker 2: on the center of the bag, and the replay showed
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: that Buckner was watching a throw, an er and throw
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: that had gone past and liked like bounce into the dugout.
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  Speaker 3: He had his eyes on the ball, not the bag.
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  Speaker 4: No, he wasn't even.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: Looking at it. It was like it was not even close.
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  Speaker 4: I guess we needed someone. When Angel Hernandez was told
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: was showed the door. I guess we needed an umpire
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: to direct all our irs.
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  Speaker 2: So so he's been having it just an awful start
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  Speaker 2: to the season. And then last night he was behind
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: the plate again Milwaukee Pittsburgh. I can't remember, but foul
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: tip you know, went straight into his mask and he
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: was like dazed in pain out and he probably has
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: a concussion. So he's just having a really bad week.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: You know what, he's probably hoping for robo umpires.
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  Speaker 4: The time off might do him some good though, you know,
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  Speaker 4: to reset, and he's gonna be good the.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Rest of the season. I actually heard I heard one
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: of the dan Nets saying like, hey, I think, like,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: you know, we've seen guys get the yips in baseball
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: where you can't you're a catcher who can't throw it
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  Speaker 2: back to the picture.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: All of a sudden, Leicester couldn't throw to first base. Yeah, randomly,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: you'd like.
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  Speaker 2: You're a shortstop who can't feel the grounder for some reason.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know which of the Dane's was. I think
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: he's got the yips.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: As an umpire, he can't get it right, and now
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: it's in his own head and it's he's broken.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: So maybe this will heal him.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe maybe a knock to the head will literally
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: reset things for him.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: I hope. So yeah, obviously choking, all right. Zach Parter
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: is gonna join us on the other side. We'll talk
• 1:35:44
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  Speaker 2: Zach Partridge, Marco. We're both here to talk about everything
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  Speaker 2: going on in the world. How are things fellas?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: They're good? Good?
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  Speaker 9: You got coming up on another fight weekend next weekend
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 9: at the Masonic Temple.
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  Speaker 3: Masonic Temple Downtown.
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  Speaker 2: Marco.
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  Speaker 3: How many times have you cornered fought.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Been in one of these uh Masonic Temple atmospheres.
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  Speaker 5: The Masonic Temple. This is my first time actually fighting
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: on the Masonic.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you haven't, you've cornered.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: I've cornered a bunch.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a bunch of the guys.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 8: It's an incredible venue, man, Like fighting at the Maverick
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 8: Center is amazing too. I've fought places in California, but
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 8: the intimacy of the show is insane, Like even cornering
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 8: like three seats or like not even one or two
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 8: rows back as a front row, so like everybody's on
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 8: top of you. It's an amazing atmosphere. And just really
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 8: excited to get on there and put on the show.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 8: It's awesome.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: Now, that's something you'd pay a lot of attention to
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: when you're coaching, your cornering kind of you know, you
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: get to take it in a little bit more when
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: you're fighting. How much do you do it because that
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: varies depending on who you're talking to.
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  Speaker 8: As a fighter, Honestly, I try not to take it in,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 8: but what helps is cornering so much there. I'm really
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 8: big on visualizing and visualization so I've been there so
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 8: many times in the locker rooms and I visualize the
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 8: walk out which corner I'm going towards. It's been honestly
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 8: a blessing that I've cornered there so much that I'm
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 8: just really comfortable with Arena.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Who are you fighting?
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 8: His name is Rafael Vega. I believe he's from North Cal.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 8: I'm a so cowboy originally, so we got that rivalry going.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 8: By the way, I already have that chip on my shoulder.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: I don't even know that Marco Sanchez so Cal, Marco
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: what's it, what's his name, Vega something, Rafael Vega North Okay, Yeah,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: I'm a Utah boy now, but still got that rivalry
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: no matter what. All Right, who else is on the card?
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  Speaker 6: Zach?
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 9: So Marco's in our main event with Vega. That's gonna
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 9: be a good one. Amon Garcia, Uh, he's back quick turnaround,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 9: which is nice. We haven't seen him in Utah since
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 9: August at the Maverick Center. He got a quick knockout,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 9: went up to our Idaho Falls card, had another big knockout,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 9: so he's kind of rolling. That's really fun. I think
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 9: we have one of the best amateur fights we've ever
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 9: had a fierce especially that wasn't for a title with
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 9: a Logan Taylor, who is our former amateur one fifty
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 9: fund champ. He never actually lost that belt, he just
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 9: he's got He got hurt and then eventually couldn't defend
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 9: up for long enough that he vacated it. His teammates
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 9: currently the champ coming in from MMA Goal. The teammate
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 9: of Vega who Marco's fighting, is a kidnamed Josh Rinker.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 9: Logan and Josh are both two amateurs that are looking
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 9: to make that jump to pro very soon.
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  Speaker 5: Very good.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's basically an additional pro fight on the card.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 9: They're both just getting one more amateur fight under their
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 9: belt before they get going for their own reasons. It's
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 9: gonna be really good. We have we have a lot
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 9: of fights on this card that are we don't have
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 9: any title fights. This is the first card we've had
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 9: a long time that hasn't had a title fight. But
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 9: there's there's probably three or four fights on the card
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 9: that will determined You're yeah, they'll they'll three or four
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 9: like number one contender type fights coming.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what we had I called PFL fights last
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: week in Pittsburg, we had that exact same thing. There
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: wasn't a championship out on the card, but the top
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: four middleweight challengers were all fighting on that same card,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: so it was like, whoever was going to impress the
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: most gets the next middleweight title shot. So I like
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: that storytelling as it's developed over these fights in these cards.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: This is, by the way, April eleventh is the night
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: of the fights. What time the doors open?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: Doors open at five? Okay, fights start at six.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: Doors open at five at the Masonic Temple, fights start
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: at six.
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  Speaker 3: This is, by the way, for a lot.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: Of people Salt Lake City School District, this is spring break.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: This is the end of spring break. The perfect way
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: to cap off your spring break. You got the kids
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: been home, they've been bugging y' all week. All right,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: You're like, man, I got to get out of here,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: hire yourself a babysitter, grab your lady, get to the
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: Masonic Temple for a little fight night. Watch Marco Sanchez
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: in the main event and when Garcia coming back and
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: a great card. I also wanted to ask you about
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: something because the same night that we had fights in Pittsburgh,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: the UFC had fights in Seattle and Michael ke who
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: for people who've been watching the UFC for a long time,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: he's he's a very popular fighter. He's turned analysts now
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: never title holder, but a highly respected dude. Right, Michael Kissa,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: He's from the Pacific Northwest. He decided this was going
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: to be his retirement fight, okay, and they had a
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: big run up to it.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: They had like a video package prepared.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: The problem was Nico Price also decided he was going
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: to retire, same night, same fight, and they just acted
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: like it didn't even happen. A promoter, I don't think
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: is fully responsible for making sure everyone gets treated the
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: same way. Like fighters kind of have to advocate for themselves.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: If you're Nico Price, you'd probably have to realize you're
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: not as popular as Michael Kiessa.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: Maybe you need to make it more known that, hey,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: I got some plans too, But.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: It is as a promoter, as the head of the show,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: kind of your job to make sure everyone gets treated
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: with respect equally. That was a wild disparity in the
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: way that those two retirements were handled. I just wanted
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: to know your thoughts.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 9: It's really hard that so I don't know how many
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 9: people know the full story with it too. But Nico
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 9: Price also took that fight on short notice, so he
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 9: was not Kiss's original opponent for his for his retirement fight,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 9: and he took that fight on short notice, and then
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 9: it just and I don't think he really made it
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 9: known that this was going to be his retirement fight
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 9: until like media day on what Wednesday or Thursday of
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 9: that week. And if I'm wrong on that, sorry, But
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 9: could the UFC have done something for him?
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe, but.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 9: Not to be insensitive, not to be Nico stepped up
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 9: for the UFC multiple times. He had a stint with
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 9: the UFC, He got cut, took another short notice fight,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 9: came back, wrote Rose's hand to fight Robbi Lawler on
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 9: his retirement fight, had a rough one again. Company man
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 9: took it again like he did enough solids for the UFC.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 9: I feel like that he could have got something. But
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 9: but even the way that he went to retire, like
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 9: DC talked about it after and he said, it just
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 9: didn't feel appropriate that we had this big Like you
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 9: do you talk to him, you talk to him before
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 9: you talked to Kissa? Do you talk to him after
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 9: you talked to Kissa? Like that's like the whole producer thing.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 9: So he's like, I got somebody in my ear telling
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 9: me like he's taking off his gloves and putting him down.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 9: And then he's got somebody in his ear being like, no,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 9: we're going to the Kissa package.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 9: So it's tough, but it would have been nice for
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 9: the UFC or they sawthing in the in the post
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 9: fight to give him his flowers maybe on their social media,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 9: run him with something after. But when you're going to
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 9: fight somebody, whether it's your retirement fight or not, he
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 9: went to Kiss's hometown to do it. Uh, that's that's
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 9: that's pretty It's a pretty tough scenario. I don't think
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 9: there's a perfect to handle it.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: There's not a perfect way to handle it, you're right.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: But it's something that has been talked about in the
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: MMA world this week at least, and here I'm gonna
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: get on a soapbox here. This is something that drives
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: me insane every time I see it, and you mostly
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: see it in the UFC. They talk to the loser
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: after they talk to the winner. If they're going to
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: talk to the loser, they always talk to the loser last.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: And I from the very first time I saw that
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: said no, give the winner the last word always, So
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: if you know, like, hey, we got to talk to
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: that guy too because the run up was particularly interesting,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: or because he's retiring, or they're both retiring, or like
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: he was the longtime champion and so we need to
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: talk to him about what it feels like to lose
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: the belt or whatever. I think you should always talk
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: to the loser first and then give the winner the
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: last word.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 8: Marco is, where do you stand on that? I never
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 8: really thought of it that way. That's actually a really
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 8: good point the way you bring that up. I really
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 8: think they should have given Nuko Price at least a
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 8: mic for give him like thirty seconds. Man, I'm sorry,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 8: I'm I like Michael Kiesi a lot, like he's a
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 8: great fighter.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm still bitter from.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 8: The court fight when he just skated away I cornered
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 8: against him, So I still have a little, you know,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: bitterness towards him because he didn't want to engage the
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 8: whole fight. Yes, but they gave him a whole package
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 8: like he was Jose Aldough Like, I'm sorry, but like
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 8: you gotta of course honor him. He's been in the
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 8: UFC for so long, you know, and I understand he's
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 8: friends with everybody and he's an analyst as well. I'm
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 8: glad he got his flowers. But Nico Price is in
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 8: just as long too. You know, he's been what twenty
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 8: three fights, twenty something fights in the UFC. I feel
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 8: like he should have at least gotten goodbye of thank
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 8: you for your time. Kind a guy say that too,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 8: just because you know, our guy Court McGee has one
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 8: more fight left on his contract, and God willing, we're
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 8: able to have that here in Utah. But when loser dropt,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 8: we want to give him his flowers too, because he's
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 8: an incredible fighter, you know, an incredible man, and what
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 8: he's done on and.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 9: Off the mats, you know, so if it does happen
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 9: here in Utah, off Court gets to do it here
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 9: in Utah.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: Though. That's the thing.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 9: He's the hometown guy, win, lose, draw, He's gonna get
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 9: that time because it's in his hometown.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 5: That's just right.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: I'm comparison where it's like the guy. Honestly for me
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: then is with It's it's with DC. It's with if
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: you're the guy whose job it is and I know
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: it's not a perfect job. And it's always a little
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: bit messy because you got to grab people while they're
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: taking pictures and whatever like, and you do have a
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: producer in your ear. But the UFC for to give
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: people a little like behind the scenes type stuff. They've
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: got this mega exclusive with Paramount, right they are the
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: kings of Paramount right now. So if someone from Paramount
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: of Scream you got to get to commercial, the UFC
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: gets to say, no, I will play the commercial when
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: we're done with our business here. That's not the case
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: with everybody now. It's probably an unfair expectation. But if
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: you're somebody who's been in the broadcasting world for a
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: decade now, like DC has, and you're also a fighter
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: who understands the sacrifices of what it's like to take
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: that short notice fight, to come to somebody else's hometown,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: to get completely have your retirement completely ignored, it's the
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: easiest thing in the world to say, Michael Kisa, you
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: get the last word. Hold on, I'm gonna go give
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: this guy some respect too. And by the NKO Price
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: would have said, Hey, I know I'm in his hometown.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to take any of his shine, but
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: it's also time for me to hang it up. Thank
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: you to everyone who watched me, everyone who was supported me.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: It would have taken twenty second.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 9: No, you're right, but and again when you have the precuse.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 9: So now it's I think you're making this might be
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 9: really unfair, but you went from fighter to the to
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 9: the broadcasting. Yeah, to make broadcasting a career, right.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 9: Do we think that DC is trying to be like
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 9: the best professional broadcaster he can be. Why he's doing
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 9: all of his wrestling coach and every well he should be.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: Because he's you're right, they should, but he's fifty from
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: the UFC every time he gets out of bed for them,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: And it's clear, Well, I love DC, and I love
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: him on the MIC, and I love d C.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: That's a different.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 9: So this is what I'm saying though, that's what happens
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 9: when you have fighters, retired fighters in the They should
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 9: understand that. And you can even see there's DC, there's
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 9: this awkward thing where he knows you can kind of
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 9: tell he wants to but whether it's somebody in his
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 9: ear or whatever, being like and it's just like, yeah, whatever,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 9: and that's what that's what happens when like the producers
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• 1:48:45
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  Speaker 2: We got real inside baseball there. So I hope that
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  Speaker 2: everyone at least found that a little bit interesting. What
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  Speaker 2: matters is that the MMA world, the boxing world, the
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  Speaker 2: combat sports world rolls on, and locally, we have an
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  Speaker 2: Go to the event page, click on Marco's face. He
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  Speaker 2: it helps him out, and uh, or any of the fighters,
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  Speaker 2: if you know any of them. But you know Marco's here,
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  Speaker 2: so go if Marco's the main event, So you don't
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  Speaker 2: know any about that guy. So that's that's how that
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's how he put some extra money in
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  Speaker 2: his pocket. So come out supports the show, the fighters,
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  Speaker 2: the local stuff. You say it really great all the time,
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  Speaker 2: like a lot of these guys. These are the guys
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  Speaker 2: that are gonna be like you know, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Marco's been on Karate Combat, he cornered in the UFC,
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  Speaker 2: He's been everywhere. Amon Garcia is trying to get to
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  Speaker 2: the UFC. We have a bunch of tons of amateur
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  Speaker 2: of his day to come down here and be part
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  Speaker 5: My man.
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  Speaker 8: I just wanted to say one thing too, Just thank
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 8: you for having me on here, Sean. I've been here
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  Speaker 8: once in the court and it's an honor to be here. Zach,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 8: thank you for inviting me as well. If you ever
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 8: watched me fight, I'm I love being your favorite fighter's
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 8: favorite fighter, and you're one of the guys like I love.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 8: I've always loved watching me fight. I've never had the
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 8: opportunity to tell you and give you your flowers. You're
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 8: an amazing fighter. Thanks analysts amazing, but my favorite we're
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 8: always I'm not as clever as you at the Wayans,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 8: but when it comes to fighting, I love how you fight,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 8: and that's how I fight. Every single time I come out,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 8: I leave my heart out there, wind, loser, draw, I
• 1:51:34
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  Speaker 8: out and lay and pray. So if you want to
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  Speaker 8: see some exciting fights, I want to see somebody that's
• 1:51:39
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  Speaker 4: Come watching me fight, and if.
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  Speaker 2: You want to be able to smell the blood when
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  Speaker 2: close to the Fierce Fighting Championship cage. Thanks for coming in, guys,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, you appreciate it, all right, Third hour coming up.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins is gonna be a first ballot Sports Business
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, another fully guaranteed contract and they don't
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• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: nice things were said about you by Marco.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: Marco Sanchez just just called He just called me a legend.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: And so yes, I'm feeling there's a pretty good in there.
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  Speaker 2: There'sn't like there's a dozen people James maybe less in
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: the state of Utah that remember and care about my
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: fighting career with great fondness, and to hear from the
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  Speaker 2: people every once in a while, it feels good. Well,
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  Speaker 2: there's way more than that. Let's let's be you're being modest.
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  Speaker 4: I know, but I bet I feel bakers, doesn't I
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  Speaker 4: bet I bet it won more then no, I bet
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  Speaker 4: it feels really good from a guy who's still fighting
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  Speaker 4: to to hear to hear that you were and it
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: he basically said, you were a great influence on his
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: on his fighting careers.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's cool, like Marco, it's you don't have enough
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: time to really like dive into. But like Marco, he's
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: he's been splitting time coaching and trying to like pursue
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: his own fight career. He's cornered more guys than he
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: has fought him Like, he's cornered way more fights than
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: he's actually fought in. And that is a really tough
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: balance to achieve when you're trying to make everyone else
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  Speaker 2: around you better and you're trying to make sure that
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: these guys have what they need. But then he's pursuing
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: his own goals and things like that. He's cornered at
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: the highest level. He's cornered. As he mentioned Court McGee
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: many times. Court is uh, he's got you know, he's
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: forty one years old and he's still actively fighting in
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  Speaker 2: the UFC. He's been in the UFC for dang near
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: twenty years now, and when it's all said and done,
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  Speaker 2: probably after this next fight, I mean He's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: the longest tenured UFC fighter from the state of Utah
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  Speaker 2: and no one's gonna beat that ever, So Court's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be on like the Mount Rushmore of Utah fighters and
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  Speaker 2: Marco's cornering him. So that tells you about Marco. He's
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, I just thought that was really cool
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• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: latest in the Kirk Cousins contract situation. His agent is
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: just really good at the job. That's the right way
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: to say it.
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  Speaker 4: Mike Mike McCartney, not to be confused with new Steelers
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  Speaker 4: head coach Mike McCarthy. Mike McCartney the agent. Yeah, he's
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: really good at his job.
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  Speaker 2: He got a fully guaranteed twenty million dollar contract for
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins to go play for the Las Vegas Raiders. Now,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: twenty million dollars for a starting quarterback is a pretty
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: decent bargain right now in today's NFL, especially one with
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of career wins under his belt. The thing is,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: kirk Cousins is not expected to be a full time starter.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: He is taking this job partially to be kind of
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: like the transitional plan for Fernanda Mendoza, the projected number
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: one overall pick with the Las Vegas Raiders who had
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: his pro day, and by all accounts and what you
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: were able to see because they televised a good chunk
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: of it. You know, he threw the ball well, under
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: threw a couple of balls. He kept making points that
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: NFL teams love to hear about how much he's excited
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: to work, how much he's willing to work. How he
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: was there maximizing his number of throw is not for
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: his own pro day, not to maximize his own arm
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: or to rest himself or whatever, but because there are
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: nine draft eligible guys that are pass catchers from the
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: University of Indiana and he wanted to make sure all
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: of those guys got put on tape. Like Banana, Mendoza
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: is just putting on a masterclass in the interview slash
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: extracurricular pre draft process stuff. He's just making people fall
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: in love with his personality, with his stance on the
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: game of football, and then you know, they hope that
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: his talent matches up with it. That's what the Raiders
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: are going to be hoping for when they draft him
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: number one overall. But it's a not bad safety outlet
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: that you have somebody like Kirk Cousins on a fully
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: guaranteed twenty million dollar contract. Twenty million dollars in guaranteed money,
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: the eleventh consecutive season for Kirk Cousins to have a
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: fully guaranteed contract. If you're a quarterback or you're an
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: elite position player, I don't understand how you're not retaining
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: the services of this exact same agent. If Mike McCartney
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: can do that for Kirk Cousins, who, let's be honest,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: he's been really he's had some really really good years.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: He's never been, in my opinion, a truly great NFL quarterback.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: He's never been like a top five guy necessarily. But
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: eleven years now of fully guaranteed deals and this twenty
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: million dollars is a lot less money than he was
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: making previously. So this contract makes Kirk Cousins the number
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: one all time earner in NFL history.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 4: See that's like you say, that's not Peyton Manning, that's
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: not Tom Brady, that's not Patrick Mahomes, that's not Obviously
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: the economics were way different, But that's not Steve Young,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 4: Joe Montana, that's Kirk Cousins. That's that gets to have
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 4: that distinction at least at least for now. And yeah,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 4: that's a heck of a that's a heck of a
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 4: job by his agent, heck of a job by him.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think another underrated part of this is
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 4: he is just a very likable guy. And I wonder
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 4: if I wonder how long, how how long away that
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 4: goes in these contract negotiations where he just like charms
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 4: the room and charms the guys in charge enough where
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 4: they're like, yeah, we don't we don't want to start,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 4: but we got twenty million for you. That's fine because
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 4: we want you in our organization.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: I love a likable quarterback, ultimate team player, wonderful to
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: be around, coach in the locker room kind of guy,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: which he's quite literally being asked to do. I'm sure
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: with Fernanda Mendoza, but fully guaranteeing someone's salary better be
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: based on a lot more than just hey, I really
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: like this person.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, I just wonder how much that has an effect.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're right, I'm sure it does have a
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: large effect. On it, because look, we have seen guys
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: that are incredibly talented but just come off as total turds.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: I'm talking to you Sanders boys, and they.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: Just like, not only do you not fully guarantee a contract,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: but you're just like, all I need to do is
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: use a draft pick on you, and I still don't
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: want to do that, right. Kirk Cousins has been in
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: the league for fourteen years and eleven of those have
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: been fully guaranteed deals. When he had the other three,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: maybe one or two of the other three were like
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: near top market franchise tag deals too. So he's he's
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: cashed in really well.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: Now he is.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: He is pretty durable. Also, he has not missed a
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: lot of time because of injury. He did have an
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: achilles tear in twenty twenty three, he came back from
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: that pretty successfully.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 4: Obviously, his level is obviously gone down a notch or
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 4: two since then, which is why he's not considered to
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: be a starter, even at twenty million dollars a year.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: But yeah, he's he's at the fact that he's even
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 4: still playing at a at a serviceable level. He absolutely
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: has had a successful return, and especially in his youth,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: he was very, very durable.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: Then you know, when you start to get injured, it
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: might be because you're thirty five years plus and you're
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: playing in a young man's game where twenty one year
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: olds that are twice your size and twice as fast
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: are trying to end you on every single play.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: Right, It's like he's coming to the end of this thing.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: But here's the deal, Kirk Cousins.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: He's gonna get paid twenty million dollars this year, fully guaranteed,
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: barring any like extreme scenario in which he gets fire
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: for conduct detrimental which is not really his thing. He
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: goes down and his agent goes down. As the ultimate
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: businessmen in NFL history, it is indisputable that him getting
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: this level of compensation fully guaranteed when his production is
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: not even on the same elite level as his contemporaries.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: The guys that you mentioned, right, the Lamar Jackson's of
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: the world and the Patrick Mahomes of the world. These
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: are the guys that he's being compared to directly every
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: single year. He's older than they are. But those guys,
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: when it's all said and done, their contracts, because of
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: the economics, they'll probably earn more than Kirk Cousins. But
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: how many of them are going to have fully guaranteed
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: guaranteed deals for seventy five percent of their career? Probably none.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: This is the NFL.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: They don't do fully guaranteed deals. And yet when the
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 4: Cousins is a career Hewns did it with the Shawn Watson.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: The rest of the league got incredibly angry and we're
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: just like, no, you can't set this. President Browns, don't
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: do this because now everyone's gonna be asking for it.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: And Kirk Cousins and his agent are sitting back there
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: just like we've been getting this for a while.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, we got a full I got my guy
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 4: a fully guaranteed deal like three years before Deshaun Watson
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 4: did for much less money but still a significant It
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 4: was what eighty ninety million dollars, wasn't two hundred and fifty? Yeah,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 4: they I don't know how he's doing it. It's it's
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 4: almost like Gordon Hayward's agent getting getting him a what
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 4: was it, thirty million dollars a year with the Charlotte Hornets,
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: the last contract he signed a couple of years ago,
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 4: and Gordon Hayward had long since been looked at as
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 4: even a borderline All Star guy, and yet he got
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: him one hundred and twenty million over four years.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know how these agents do it. This
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: is a fantastic This is from yesterday. This article came
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: out yesterday. It said a couple teams linked as potential
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: suitors for Cousins, Green Bay and Pittsburgh. Also maybe the
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders and the Indianapolis Colts have emerged as
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: a surprise suitor for.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: Does anyone else besides the Raiders give him twenty million
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: dollars guaranteed to be the.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: Look he'll probably start some games.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: This gives the Raiders I think, a much more friendly
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: runway and timeline on integrating Fernando Mendoza into their system
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: and into the NFL at large. And that's great for
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: Fernanda Mendoza. If you're Fernando Mendoza, you more than anyone else,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: should love this. This is some This is a lot
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: of pressure being taken off your plate right now immediately,
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: because on both sides of you've got a veteran, but
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: you've also got a veteran who's not exactly a bargain,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: which means the franchise, even though it shouldn't be this way,
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: it absolutely is this way. The franchise is more likely
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: to play somebody that they're paying good money to.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 3: So Kirk Cousins is going to be making more.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: As a guy who's like a part time starter, eventual
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: backup than for Nana Mendoza will be on his rookie deal.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: So the team is not going to be.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: Like, put Mendoza in now, we use the number one
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: pick on him, Let's get him going. It's Kirk Cousins man,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: you can win us some ball games. Show the young
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: kid how to do it.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 4: While you were just going through that, what popped into
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 4: my head back to Kirk Cousins being a nice guy.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 4: He's like the veteran version of Brenana Mendoza too. Maybe
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 4: that that probably had something to do with it, is
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 4: like we want the guy who has NFL experienced version
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 4: of the boy scout, puppy lovable puppy dog of Fernando Mendoza.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 4: We want, we want someone Fornana Mendoza to be like,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be like him in every single way.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: Remember when there was all those videos of Kirk Cousins
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: when his like his teammates from obviously very different backgrounds
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: than him were throwing like their iced out chains on
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: him on the airplane, and like, yeah, the buying him
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: like gold grills for his teeth and sas.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 4: The last really good season with the Minnesota Vikings. Yeah,
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 4: he was what was his alter ego anyway, he they
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: gave him a nickname for his alter ego.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was like, you know, they were like
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: trying to chains or something. They're trying to coolify him,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: they were trying to make him cooler. They're trying to
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: make him a little more street, right, same thing's gonna
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: happen with Brenanda Mendoza, only it makes sense when you're
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: dealing with a thirty eight year old, less sense when
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: you're dealing with like a twenty one year old.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: But Mendoz is awesome.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, this is the Raiders don't make a lot
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: of great personnel moves, great personnel decisions, And I'm not
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: intimately familiar with their cap situation in the room. They
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: have to pay him this fully guaranteed, guaranteed deal, But
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming they're all right there because I think this
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: is going to work out pretty nicely for Fernando, for
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: Kirk and for the Raiders. The rare and possible win
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: win win scenario. All right, we got to take a break.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: Roxy Bernstein is on the Utah Mammoth game called tonight
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: there in Seattle. Take it on the Kraken, but we'll
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: check in with our favorite Bay Area resident, Roxy Bernstein.
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  Speaker 2: That's next on the Shawn O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: and ninety two one FM.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: Tune to The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Chevrolet
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: Studio of ESPN seven hundred at ninety two to one
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: af AM.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: It is prohibitively rare for someone to be a jack
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: of all trades and a master of every single one.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: But that is Roxy Bernstein. You can hear calling Utah
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: Mammoth hockey tonight. You've heard him on football, baseball, basketball,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: and pretty much every other sport under the sun. We're
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: lucky enough to have him on the show again today.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: Roxy Bernstein. Welcome, How are you, sir?
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 6: But oh see, I'm not even the master of my
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 6: own domain, like I have no say in my house.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 6: But you know, if you're gonna build me up like that,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 6: I'll take it.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: It's funny because I believe you, and it's still true.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: You're the master of every other domain except where you
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: go home.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: Well, that's that's the life of a married man.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 6: Yes, as you well know, you well know, yes, fighting
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 6: I can do that. Sure, all right.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: I'm very glad we get to talk to you today
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: because I've wanted to talk to you about a lot
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: of stuff. We'll start with something that has been a
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: major conversation point. I don't tune into baseball regularly until
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: we get a little bit deeper into the regular season
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: because we got basketball and playoff hockey and playoff basketball
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: coming up. But Major League Baseball is really fascinating right
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: now because they're dealing with a significant change and the
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: integration of this ABS and how it's affecting the flow
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: of games, more importantly, how it's affecting the ending of
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: some games, like we saw last night with the Rangers
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: and Orioles. And you're a baseball guy through and through,
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: so I wanted to get your thoughts on ABS and
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: how it's affecting the Major League Baseball so far.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 6: Well, I like the implementation of this sean because first off,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 6: it's instantaneous, right you're not like you don't check with
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 6: a dugout, you're not looking. There's not a delay like
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 6: an NBA coaches challenge or an NHL coach When you're
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 6: challenging an off side and a goal, it has to
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 6: be immediate and you get limited opportunities to challenge. But
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 6: I think it's important that they get it right and
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 6: it experimented. We saw the All Star Game and Trek
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 6: scooball challenge to pitch last year the first inning. But
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 6: now you're also getting it. Look more times than not,
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 6: these umpires are right and nine percent or better they
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 6: get it right, but sometimes they don't. And these hitters,
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 6: the catchers, the pitchers, they know the strike zone. I
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 6: think it's good for the game on a limited basis
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 6: like we have it. I don't want it to get
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 6: it extended. It's got to be immediate and there's no
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 6: disjointment to the game. There's a flow, the rhythm is
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 6: still there to the game. So I'm in favor of
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 6: the abs and the immediate challenging of a pitch. If
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 6: you don't agree, we.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: Were somewhat facetiously debating this earlier in the show, But
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: is there any threat that the size of crews the
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: homeplate umpire that maybe that changes enough that you know,
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you get rid of them, but
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: you alter the way you use them. Are current umpires
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: nervous about abs of replacing them?
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 6: That's a good question. Will they take it to a
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 6: more extreme measure?
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 6: Will they all of a sudden have the automative zone
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 6: all the time? I don't think we're going to have that,
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 6: and I hope we don't have it. There has to
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 6: be some human element to the game. And look, if
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 6: it's an egregious miss, that's one thing. And look, if
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 6: you have it a handful of times per game, good,
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 6: But you need to have that human factor to the game.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 6: And I believe that the umpire should be secure in
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 6: their positions as far as four man cruise. All right, well,
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 6: there'd be a replay official that. I don't think we'll
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 6: see that, Sean, because even now, if you challenge let's
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 6: say a call at first base or challenging a play
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 6: at second on a double play, for example, or a
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 6: call at home if they don't give a pathway to
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 6: the plate, it goes back to the replay command center
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 6: at Major League Baseball offices in New York. I'm good
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 6: with that. This is an upgrade to the system that
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 6: we had, and I think this is for the betterment
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 6: of the game. I don't think it should change for
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 6: where we have it right now, like with the ABS
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 6: a part of it, but it's only briefly injected into
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 6: the game.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: You'll have to forgive me from jumping sport to sport here,
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: but you're one of the few people I could talk
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: everything with, So I'm going to you and I spent
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of years talking Arizona basketball Pac twelve basketball,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: and obviously they're in the Big Twelve now, but they're
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: in the Final four and they've got a Michigan team
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: that they're going up against this weekend. That is, they've
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: been incredibly dominant on their run to this final four.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: Your thoughts on Arizona and specifically advancing to the national championship.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: What does it look like?
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 6: Well, I felt Arizona was the best team all year.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 6: I've had them three times, I had Michigan once. This
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 6: is a different Arizona team that we've seen. There was
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 6: criticisms on Arizona teams in the past that they weren't
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 6: physically tough enough for mentally tough enough, they didn't defend
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 6: well enough. This team erases all those stigmas on Arizona basketball.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 6: They're physically, mentally tough, they have veteran presence with guys
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 6: like Jayden Bradley and Tobay Waka. They have brilliance with
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 6: the talented freshmen of Bury's and Pete, and I love
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 6: what Karschhenkov brings to the team. My only concern with
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 6: Arizona to get into this point would be if they
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 6: had any injuries, because the depth was a concern. They
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 6: have answered those challenges and gotten the Final four, and
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 6: they just happened. To me Sean they have the two
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 6: best teams playing in that game. Arizona and Michigan are
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 6: playing each other. Of course, Yukon and Illinois on the
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 6: other side of the bracket. But this Arizona team is
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 6: just different. And they don't shoot a lot of threes.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 6: It doesn't mean they can't make them, they just don't
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 6: shoot it. They pound you at the paint, they attack you.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 6: They score the most points per game in the lane.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 6: They also get to the foul line a ton and
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 6: to me, they've been the best team all season. They
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 6: to me, the big twelve have been best league in
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 6: college basketball. They won the best league and they've proven it.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 6: But now they got a very stiff test with Michigan.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 6: They're a terrific team. And as we know, this isn't
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 6: the best of seven, This isn't a playoff series like
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 6: we see in the NBA at the Stanley Cup playoffs.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 6: This is forty minutes and if you're not on your game,
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 6: if you don't bring your a game, you could be
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 6: in trouble. And that's the risk you run with the
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 6: way this one and done format goes. And I think
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 6: it's going to be a heck of a basketball game
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 6: between Michigan and Arizona on Saturday.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: There is a North Carolina ghost looming over a lot
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: of these conversations and a lot of these games, And
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I buy into it the same
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: way some people do. I get it, that's a blue
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: blood that says blue with blood, as you get in
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: any college sport.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: But we're in a different era in now where you.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: Don't have to be in one of those places to
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: get the elite recruits, you don't have to be in
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: one of those places to have NILS support. Still, North
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: Carolina is going to do its darnedest to get the
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: best coach. And we've heard, you know, Billy Donovan's name
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: mentioned on the NBA side of things, We've heard Tommy Lloyd,
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: and Tommy Lloyd has not completely squashed those rumors by saying, No,
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: I'm at Arizona. You know, forever. Where do you think
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: that North Carolina job goes? And is Tommy Lloyd maybe
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: headed there?
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 6: I'd be surprised if Tommy took the job. I know
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 6: how happy he is in Tucson and his family loves
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 6: it there. They're West Coast people, right, Tommy grew up,
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 6: went to college in Washington, was at Gonzaga for twenty
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 6: one years with Mark Feugh. Now I'm not saying that's
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 6: for sure. No, And Tommy should be smart to listen
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 6: because it creates leverage. Right. If he got a leverage,
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 6: it means you can get more money out of the
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 6: place you're at. And so he may u hit his
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 6: leverage to get more money from Arizona. Would it shot
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 6: me if he left? No, it I'd be surprised, Yes,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 6: just because I know how happy he is and the
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 6: success that he's had at Arizona. The grass isn't always greener.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 6: You don't have to go somewhere else, And I don't
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 6: think that's necessarily the way Tommy looks at things. Again,
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 6: he was at Gonzaga for twenty one years. He had
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 6: opportunities to leave. He chose the right one when it
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 6: presented itself. And Arizona is a great fit for Tommy
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 6: Lloyd and his family. And then you know, Dusty May's
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 6: name has been thrown out there as well. For Michigan.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 6: North Carolina is certainly an attractive job and one of
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 6: the elite jobs in college basketball, but there's also some
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 6: pressures that come with that, and you're always under the microscope,
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 6: and that's the other thing. It could be a drawback
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 6: to that North Carolina job. They're gonna get a great coach,
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 6: it's North Carolina. I just don't think it's necessarily going
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 6: to be Tommy Lloyd, or maybe even Dusty May for
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 6: that matter.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: Roxy Bernstein our guest here on the Shot O'Connell show.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: For another couple of minutes. He's actually calling Mammoth Kraken,
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: and I promise we're going to get to that. But
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: Roxy's my guy, so we're talking a little bit of
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: everything and before we get to hockey. I don't know
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: how well you know the Hurleyes, but we sa one
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: of the strangest scenarios I can remember in college basketball,
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: where Ann Hurley goes forehead to forehead with an official.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 3: Nothing happens.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: It's heavily talked about, and both the official and the
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: coach said, no, that was nothing. But then the official
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: is not assigned to the final four, even though he
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: has plenty of final four experience. And you've called so
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: many games in so many different sports, You've seen so
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: many coach referee official interactions. What did you think.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 6: I thought people are making a big deal out of nothing.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 6: Roger Airis has seen it all in college basketball, and
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 6: you alluded to his history working all those final fours,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 6: and Dan Hurley gets some leeway for who he is.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 6: And last thing the referees want to do, well see
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 6: is deciding game right now. Danny Hurley maybe cross the
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 6: line and was there ahead? I don't know, and we
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 6: don't know what was said between the two of them
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 6: at the time, And I'm glad they let the players
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 6: decide it and didn't all of a sudden, on a technicality,
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 6: decide to hind a technical to Danny Hurley and give
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 6: free throws to Duke and give them a chance to
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 6: win the game. I just the players decided right. Duke
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 6: unfortunately made a huge mistake toward the end of that game,
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 6: leading to a desperation shot from thirty plus feed out
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 6: that went in to win the game for Yukon. Caught
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 6: up with the emotion of the excitement, they went nose
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 6: to nose on something. Who knows again what the topic was,
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 6: but there's a relationship there between Roger Aires and Danny Hurley,
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 6: and look the Hurleys and Bobby too. They're terrific coaches
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 6: and great basketball people. The last thing that they're going
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 6: to do is put their team in a horrible spot.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 6: They're little nuts as we know, right. We've seen their
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 6: antics on the side, we've seen their postgame tirades. But
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 6: they're both a good kind of nuts. And you have
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 6: to be different. You have to be crazy to be
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 6: a very good coach, I think at that level and
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 6: maybe even a little bit insane. But I'm glad that
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 6: Roger Aires and that officiated crew didn't interject into that game.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 6: People are, especially from the Duke perspective, Oh, that should
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 6: have been a technical foul. No, the players aside of
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 6: the game, and that's what's best for college basketball.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: I think that's where I came out on it, even
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: though I was like, man, how do you how do
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: you nott a coach get away with that? But I
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: never want referees officials to be the deciding factor in
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: any game. And every time it happens where we feel
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: like they have decided a game, what do we do?
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: We complain, we gripe, we moan, and so we didn't
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: get that. Plus we got a conversation point in sports
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: radio and for me that roxy is a win win.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: Now let's get to some hockey here. Utah Mammoth Seattle Kraken,
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: you're on the call tonight. This Mammoth team in its
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: second year of existence in Salt Lake City, Utah Hockey Club,
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: of course the first season. Now that the Utah Mammoth,
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: they're heading barring any major surprises, they're headed to the playoffs,
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: which is kind of on the timeline we hoped for
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: and expected. What kind of a factor do you think
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: they could be in those Western Conference playoffs?
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 6: They're going to be the interesting matchup and the keto
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 6: c is for Utah to stay in the number one
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 6: wildcard spot, not fall to the number two. They have
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 6: a five point cushion on a playoff spot right now.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 6: According to stat Leaf is one of the projection services we.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 4: Use at ESPN.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 6: They say that Mammoth have a ninety nine percent chance
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 6: to make the playoffs. But the key is to stay
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 6: in that number one wildcard because then you avoid the
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 6: Colorado Avalanche and that number one seed in the Western Conference.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 6: You want to get the winners of the Pacific. If
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 6: you're the number one wildcard, which is more than likely
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 6: going to be either Anaheim or Edmonton, is really coming
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 6: on right now, but I think it's great for the
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 6: mammut to be in this position. It's weird because they've
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 6: played well on the road down the stretch. They struggled
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 6: at home, which is bizarre, but their power play has
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 6: gotten better. They've gotten great goaltending from Famelca, and they
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 6: added into deadline. When you bring in a veteran defenseman
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 6: like McKenzie Wiger, this is going to be an interesting
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 6: matchup for teams in the playoffs because I think it's
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 6: all new for this organization to be there. You get
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 6: the favorable matchup in a lot of ways in that
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 6: first round that you avoid the Avalanche, but they're going
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 6: to be a tough team to reckon with because they
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 6: have some depth scoring, they have some speed, and they
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 6: have terrific goaltending and they're a team right now that's
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 6: feeling good about themselves. And another big step they can
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 6: take tonight if they can take care of the Kraken
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 6: Here in Seattle.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: When we talk NBA playoffs, it's always like, man, not
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: only do you have to be a really good team,
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: you got to have some depth, but you get down
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: to it, you better have superstars that can really push
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: you over the top. And obviously basketball and hockey are
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: very very different games. But is the mammoth lack of
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: like big time superstar talent does that hurt them in
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: playoff hockey?
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 6: The physicality in size for a question, right, because you
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 6: have Clayton Keller is a smaller player, and a lot
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 6: of times in the playoffs, the smaller players and to
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 6: struggle a bit because the game changes and in the
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 6: regular season it's based on speed up and down the ice,
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 6: but then when you get into a series, a lot
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 6: of strategy comes in and it's more physical and that's
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 6: where you get a lot of uglier goals. Come to playoffs,
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 6: you have to get those greasy goals in front of
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 6: the net, which changes the way the game is played.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 6: The key factor that I've always gone back to Sean
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 6: in the playoffs is having a hot goaltender can, for example,
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 6: the Melcha steal you a game or two in a
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 6: series that can help you win it. That's what you need,
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 6: and we've seen it more in hockey than for example,
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 6: it's hockey similar to baseball in terms of just get
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 6: into the tournament right, get into the playoffs, and that
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 6: gives yourself a chance. We've seen an eight seed win
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 6: it in the NHL. You're not going to see that
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 6: in the NBA. It's a hot goaltender health wise, who's
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 6: ready to go, who's beat up. It's a war of attrition.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 6: Once you get to the postseason, it's just you have
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 6: to find your way in. And the Manmuth were almost
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 6: there to wrapping up that playoff spot here in year two.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: When it all comes down to it, is anyone going
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: to be able to dethrown the Colorado Avalanche, whove been
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: the obvious best team in the league for the bulk
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 2: of this year, but.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 6: The crazy thing is, Sean, You're just one injury away,
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 6: and that's the problem for if something were to happen
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 6: Nathan McKinnon right or Cale mccarr how does that impact
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 6: the Abs? And in teams just this time of the
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 6: year know how to win. And the scary thing is
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 6: that if Edmonton gets dry Sidled back. I know, goaltending
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 6: has been an issue, and defensively the Oilers have had
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 6: some problems, but arguably you still have two of the
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 6: best players in the world with McDavid and dry Sidle.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 6: If they're healthy and they've been the Stanley Cup Final
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 6: each of the last two years. That's a scary proposition
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 6: to face. And Edmonton is a dangerous team. And the
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 6: interesting move though, was Vegas making the coaching change and
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 6: dumping Bruce Cassidy all of a sudden, hiring John Tortorello
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 6: with eight games to go in the regular season to
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 6: jolt this team and maybe shake them up, and Vegas
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 6: becomes slightly a different team to watch come the playoffs.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 6: But Vegas is more than likely going to be in
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 6: that two to three Pacific Division battle against the wild
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 6: Card one winner and the whoever ends up winning the
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 6: Pacific whether it is Anaheim or Edmonton, but that's beside
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 6: the bracket. If Utah's in, O see that if they
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 6: happen to get the number one wild card spot, put
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 6: some in a good position.
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: I can't let you get out of here without asking
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: you a MacLean Celebrini question, because you know you're a
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: Shark's guy, your baby, and look a teenager scoring one
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: hundred points and putting himself on a list with guys
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: like Lemieux and Gretzky. I don't know if there's any
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: superlatives that really fit. We saw him in the Olympics,
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: we saw him in the regular season, and the Sharks
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: feel like they're ahead of schedule for playoff hockey as
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 2: well with Macklin Celebrini in the fold. So what is
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: this kid going to grow into.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 6: He's doing this at nineteen years of age. OC it
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 6: is insane what he's able to do, Like nineteen year
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 6: old kids shouldn't be doing this against the best players
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 6: in the world. He's fifty points better than anybody else
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 6: on his team. And even like if the Sharks didn't
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 6: have Macklan Celebrini, they'd be lucky to have fifty points
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 6: and the impact that he's had both on and off
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 6: the ice around this franchise. They needed it desperately. You
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 6: were around the Bay Area when they were good and
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 6: then they stunk for a long time. And he's given
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 6: him life again. And if Santose happens to make the playoffs,
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 6: he needs to be a Heart Trophy winner. And nothing
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 6: against McDavid or Kouchirov, whoever you want to put in
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 6: the conversation, but at nineteen years of age to be
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 6: doing this, and his performance last night was incredible that
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 6: they stole that game last night because of Macklin Celebrini.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 6: He is going to be a star, maybe the face
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 6: in the league for a long time. And I've had
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 6: conversations with guys and other teams and they just shake
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 6: their heads and they talk about the impact that he has.
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 6: When you're getting praise from guys like Crosby and McKay
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 6: in about playing with him, that goes to show you
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 6: all you need to know. And he is going to
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 6: be one of the best players. And look nothing against
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 6: Joe Forden or Patrick Marlow, whatever Sharks player from the past,
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 6: Joe Pavelski that you want to name. When it's all
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 6: said and done, Maclin celebrating will be the greatest.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: Shark in the history of that organization, and Roxy will
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: be there calling games, watching games, talking to us about games.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: Listen to him on Cracking Mammoth tonight on Hulu and
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: on ESPN plus. Roxy appreciate your time as always great
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: to hear from you, sir.
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  Speaker 6: Always good catch them my brother, take care el See.
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  Speaker 2: That's Roxy Bernstein, best in the business. Play by play
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  Speaker 3: He can handle anything.
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  Speaker 6: Hi.
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  Speaker 5: Can we tell the Roxy Bernstein story on air?
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  Speaker 3: I've told him it happened on there. I've told him
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 3: many times.
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  Speaker 5: All right, that's so funny, So get god.
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  Speaker 2: Well, So I met Roxy when I was doing radio
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 2: in the Bay Area, and you know, one of the
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 2: times we had them on was Christmas was coming and
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 2: we were talking about, you know, just like I was
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: with I was doing radio with Matt Steinmetz, who loved
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: the guy, but the most like curmudgeonly I don't want
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: to have any fun with my radio kind of thing, ever,
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 2: ok So I was just like, how about this, and
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: I would just come up with that landish and I
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: happened to decide I was gonna ask roxy Bernstein about
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: the Christmas traditions in his household. It's so good, it
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: was Roxy Bernstein.
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  Speaker 5: It's perfect.
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  Speaker 10: It's perfect because when we moved back East, I had
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 10: a friend I made a friend of His name was
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 10: Brian Crane, less obvious Jewish name, but very very Jewish,
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 10: and it was kind of the same deal. I asked
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 10: him what his family was doing for Christmas and looked
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 10: at me sideways, and that's when I learned about Hankah.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they eight grade nights. Yeah, there's just not a
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: lot of influence there. It's like, and I consider myself
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: a citizen of the world right well now, well.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 5: I certainly now with how much you've traveled.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: But I had already traveled plenty before that, And like,
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: I just like, you know, you get a blind spot
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: for certain things, and I look, I grew up with
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: no Jewish influence in my life at all, right, right, Yeah,
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: and then it became like a bit of funny thing
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: between Roxy and myself and then Jeff Schwartz when he
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: and I were doing PAC twelve Radio together and Roxy
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 2: was a regular guest on that. Yeah, and our producer
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 2: Dan Lynch, like all of these people grow you know
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 2: we're talking about there, bar mitzvah.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 3: Is that just like that didn't happen in Utah?
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it didn't.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 10: And if you know, if you only have the Utah
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 10: experience like I did up until for the most part,
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 10: until I was like eleven, I didn't know much about
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 10: any of the other things other than what we're raised
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 10: around here. And if you're in any form of entertainment,
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 10: you better get familiar, Yeah, because they are all over
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 10: the place, respectfully. I can remember my little cousin. We
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 10: had been living back east for like two years, and
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 10: my cousins came out to visit and we went to
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 10: a place.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 5: Called Rye Playland.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 10: Rye Playland is the place do you remember the movie
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 10: Big Remember when he did the whole like Genie and
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 10: Boom and suddenly his life.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 5: Is completely screwed up.
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 10: That was a ride Playland okay, it's a run down
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 10: think lagoon on meth. It's this run down little place.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 10: And and my little cousin about an hour into the event,
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 10: she's probably eight, only Utah prism. She leans over to
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 10: my mom and she goes, aunt, dead boy, there's so
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 10: many black people here. She's like, what's going on? This
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 10: is a bountiful Utah eight year old you know that
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 10: probably had seen them on television or something. I think
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 10: I'm safe to show this one a family member of mine. Okay,
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 10: I don't want to say who. I don't want to,
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 10: you know, I don't want to thrill them under the bus.
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 10: It is not I promise it wasn't. But we were
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 10: on a vacation and the lady, the maid, the cleaning lady,
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 10: the help people like you would say, showed up to
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 10: clean our room.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 5: And she was African American.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 10: And later on, this family member of mine was playing
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 10: with some kids at the resort and said to one
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 10: of them, Michael Jordan's mom is cleaning. The person who
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 10: cleans our room is Michael Jordane.
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 8: Oh wow.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 2: The the only reference place for African Americans in this
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: person's life was.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 5: Michael j I think he was five.
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 10: I overheard him tell you like another five year old,
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 10: like Michael Jordan's mom is cleaning our room. Oh wow,
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 10: more of the story. Get out of Utah from time
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 10: to time. Well, and good job Utah. We're a lot
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 10: more diverse than we used to be. Yes, undeniably.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, My high school graduating class was like seven hundred
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 2: and seventy eight kids. Two of those seven and seventy
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: eight were checking the black box on their yea on
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: their surveys.
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 5: Certainly more diverse than we used to be.
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 10: Always got a kick out of the show, you know,
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 10: Sig Mackay Morgan's Galley shout out And at the house
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 10: they used to say, we're a really diverse house on campus.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 5: What that meant it was like ten people drank and
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 5: weren't totally Morman like, we're all white.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 10: When I used to hear them talk about diverse, I'm like,
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 10: am I the only one in this room of fifty
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 10: dudes that are all white that doesn't believe that because
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 10: that guy has a beer, we're diverse.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 5: It's such a weird thing to say your.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 2: Lens is important, and a lot of us that grew
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 2: up in Utah, you're just it's you're very insulated culturally.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 3: And again, we're getting better at it.
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: The best way to get good at it is to travel,
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: get out of here and have sun, go see the
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 2: rest of the world and the rest of the country
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 2: by the way, and then you will you will internalize
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 2: less and less what you see on the news and
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: on television about the human race, well said. You'll use
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 2: your human experience to create those judgments. And that is
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 2: just a better way to do it.
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 5: Well said.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 10: And not every black man over six two plays a sport.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 10: Like here, if you see a black dude that's sixs' five,
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 10: you're like twelve man jazz player, youte something. You can't
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 10: just live here, right, Like, that's not how the world works.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 3: Probably a tough life to be tall and black in Utah.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 10: I don't play for the jazz. Just I'm I'm having
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 10: a steak. I'm out to dinner.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: Leave me alone. It's kind of like me, Like, I
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: go out and people are like, what what movie do
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: you have coming out? What what campaign are you modeling
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 2: in right now? Yeah, guys, please, I'm just incredibly ruggedly handsome.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 5: Stop.
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 10: It must make you feel like a piece of meat,
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 10: must make you make you feel like objectified and I
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 10: love it every single time.
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 5: How many times does that happen?
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 2: Zero?
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, exactly zero. I love when they do this.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: Dan Orlovsky's autistic son is on ESPN right now drawing
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 2: and you know, just like living his life and just
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 2: it's the coolest thing it is. I love that our
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 2: own guy, like we talked about at the end of
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 2: yesterday show, John Malar West Valley shout out does the
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: shoes for all these NBA players in the NBA initiative
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 2: towards autism awareness and stuff. So if you can, I
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: ain't get involved due By the way, Kirk Cousins to
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 2: answer the trivia question for today when the Raiders pay
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: him his twenty million dollars fully guaranteed. He is number
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 2: one on the NFL's all time list of earners.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 10: Kirk Cousins is the Gordon Hair to the NFL, A
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 10: couple of white guys that are decent that have made
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 10: a ton of money. Hayward made like four hundred mil
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 10: and made one All Star game. Yeah, congratulations to that.
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 10: Kirk is now passing up Tom Brady.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 5: That's ridiculous, but get your bag.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do your thing.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 10: By the way, did Dan Orlovsky hate. I think he's great.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 10: I think not a big guy.
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 2: We p I am. I like him. I think what
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 2: people don't like about him is that he just generates
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: hot takes because that's what ESPN tells you to do,
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 2: and they come across as incredibly disingenuous, and it's like, no, Dan,
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: don't do that. Just break down the film again for us.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 2: Don't tell us Kyler Murray is the best starting quarterback
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 2: in the league.
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: To be controversial and to have an article of written
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  Speaker 2: about you.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I feel like over there a lot of their
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 10: best analysts are sucked into the stephen A. Smith world
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  Speaker 10: and then suddenly it's like, dude, what happened to you?
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  Speaker 10: The one exception I'll give this guy a ton of
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  Speaker 10: credit was JJ Reddick. JJ Reddick never took that bait,
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  Speaker 10: and he actually made steven A. Smith look look like
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  Speaker 10: a clown multiple times because steven A was trying to
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  Speaker 10: do the steven A thing, which is nebulous, mundane word
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  Speaker 10: salad that means nothing, and Reddick would call him out like, dude,
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  Speaker 10: you didn't say anything there. You obviously don't know anything
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  Speaker 10: about what you're talking about. And then you know JJ
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  Speaker 10: is now doing a great job at Lakers.
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  Speaker 2: So all right, stay tuned for the Drive with Spence
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 2: check us. Thanks for listening to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 2: Drive Safe out there. We'll do it again tomorrow, ESPN
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  Speaker 2: seven