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Chuck & Buck 11-14 Hour 1: They got it wrong. What's at stake? And no cliche keys to victory! · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to discuss today. It is a
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Speaker 1: have a lot of football to discuss today, and we've
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Speaker 1: got that down on lock. But we're going to start
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Speaker 1: with baseball today because we were dealt the disappointing news
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Speaker 1: last night that the nation didn't recognize what we knew,
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Speaker 1: and that is that Kyle Raley is the most valuable player,
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Speaker 1: or was the most valuable player this year in the
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Speaker 1: American League. And it was close. He got forty three
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Speaker 1: I think I said thirty nine, forty three percent of
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Speaker 1: the first place votes, but that wasn't enough. He and
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Speaker 1: Judge got either first or second on all thirty ballots.
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Speaker 1: But Aaron Judge does, in fact win the American League
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Speaker 1: MVP in twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they got that wrong.
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Speaker 1: I think they got it wrong too. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: mean I said this at the beginning of the playoffs,
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Speaker 1: and it sounds like an odd thing to say, but
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Speaker 1: I said, when Dan Wilson was trying to make his
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Speaker 1: decision on who he's going to start number one starter,
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Speaker 1: I like, there's not a bad decision, but there is
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Speaker 1: a wrong decision. And I know that sounds weird, but
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Speaker 1: now I get to use it again. I don't think
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Speaker 1: there was a bad decision to make between Judge and Raleigh,
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Speaker 1: but I think there is a distinct wrong decision to make,
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Speaker 1: and seventeen people out of thirty made the wrong decision.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unfortunate. I mean that really.
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Speaker 6: I mean it's like three people had a better idea.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm with you. It's not wrong decision. I mean,
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Speaker 6: it's not like Aaron Judge didn't isn't deserving of an MVP.
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Speaker 6: It's just when you're measuring the two I don't think
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Speaker 6: it's I don't think it's particularly close. We did discuss that,
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Speaker 6: and it just as Cal rowly what he did. I mean,
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Speaker 6: Aaron Judge even said in his acceptance actually as before
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Speaker 6: they announced it, they were asking him what's it like
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Speaker 6: to be the captain and all the pressure of playing,
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Speaker 6: you know, in New York and wearing the pinstripes. And
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Speaker 6: he's like, yeah, there's a lot, you know, but it's
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Speaker 6: what I.
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Speaker 4: Want to do. I like. I like the limelight.
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Speaker 6: I like thee When I was a free agent, I
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Speaker 6: wanted to come back and play here. It's and then
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Speaker 6: he goes, it's not like what Cal does you know?
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Speaker 6: Catching all that and the abuse that he takes, and
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Speaker 6: I mean even he basically kind of says, yeah, I
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Speaker 6: don't do near as much as that guy does. Now
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Speaker 6: obviously he's not going to turn it in or say, hey, Cal,
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Speaker 6: you deserve this. I mean, I know I had a
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Speaker 6: way better offensive season than you, but you did, you
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Speaker 6: did way more. But to me, that's where I don't
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Speaker 6: know if somewhere in the translation the most valuable is
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Speaker 6: is different than the most outstanding, or how if there's
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Speaker 6: more weight put into the overarching offensive, you know, prowess
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Speaker 6: that goes into it, and not enough rewarded or awarded
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Speaker 6: to the defensive acumen that somebody brings to the table.
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Speaker 6: But yeah, I think they got it wrong. I mean,
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Speaker 6: it's a bummer because Aaron Judge is a generational hitter,
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Speaker 6: without a doubt him, He's a generational player. He's pretty
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Speaker 6: damn good in the outfield too. Really, he was most
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Speaker 6: certainly before he started getting hurt a couple for the
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Speaker 6: last couple of years. But I mean, he's a generational player.
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Speaker 6: And this is Cal's career year. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 6: expect him to go out and hit sixty. I expect
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Speaker 6: him probably maybe forty might be the ceiling or the
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Speaker 6: floor of what his career home run numbers are going
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Speaker 6: to be.
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Speaker 4: But he's not ever going.
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Speaker 6: To hit three forty and hit sixty home runs and
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Speaker 6: be up there probably in this where is Aaron Judge?
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Speaker 6: This is probably who we're going to see for the
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Speaker 6: you know, the foreseeable futures. Is a dude that just
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Speaker 6: hits over three hundred and hits fifty plus homers and
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Speaker 6: probably is an MVP candidate every year.
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Speaker 1: I don't but I don't want Cal to win it.
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Speaker 1: Because of that, I don't want I mean, it was
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Speaker 1: it's the old Michael Jordan debate, like, oh boy, Michael's
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Speaker 1: probably gonna win it next year, So Charles isn't going
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Speaker 1: to have a better season than this, Let's give it
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Speaker 1: to Barkley. I don't want Cal to win it that way.
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Speaker 1: I don't want like special consideration to be given to
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Speaker 1: cal because he might not have another career year like this,
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Speaker 1: but Judge probably will. But just standing on its merits alone,
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Speaker 1: I mean every I mean it was, it was a
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Speaker 1: razor close evaluation from most people. And I think that
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Speaker 1: certainly the vote came down that way. And I do
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Speaker 1: think and this is something that you and I have
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Speaker 1: disagreed upon. I do think that everybody who vote for
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Speaker 1: that voted for this, even the ones that voted for Judge,
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Speaker 1: recognize how much more is on cal Raley's plate. It's
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Speaker 1: just how much value do you give that? Ye does
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Speaker 1: it make up for the gap and the overall offensive
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Speaker 1: numbers that Judge put up versus Cal. I mean we're
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Speaker 1: talking about two hundred ops points. I mean, that's the
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Speaker 1: difference between you know, Julio and Miles Master Bony. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I mean that's what we're talking about here, like two
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Speaker 1: hundred w excuse me, an ops plus of like sixty
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Speaker 1: points difference. I mean it was a sizeable gap. Offensively,
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Speaker 1: the three of us and thirteen out of thirty voters,
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Speaker 1: and god knows how many other people, not just in
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Speaker 1: Seattle but nationwide think that what Cal brought to the
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Speaker 1: table does not only bridge that gap, but overtakes that gap.
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Speaker 1: And part of that is because Judge spent so much
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Speaker 1: time just hitting this year. Cal would have won head
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Speaker 1: to head against show Hey this year if it would
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Speaker 1: have been Cal versus show Hey, Cal would have won
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Speaker 1: the MVP and show A won unanimously. On the national
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Speaker 1: league side, because the gap between show A's numbers and
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Speaker 1: Cows weren't nearly as great as what the gap between
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Speaker 1: Judges numbers were and Cow's. So yes, I think they
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Speaker 1: missed it. I think that Cal and everything actually that
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Speaker 1: he does bring to the table does make up for
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Speaker 1: that difference. But there were enough people that voted, and
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Speaker 1: it wasn't East Coast bias because apparently the East Coast
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Speaker 1: was the only place, but there wasn't bias.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and seven votes for each guy.
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Speaker 1: But there were enough people who cover this sport for
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Speaker 1: a living. That decided we think that the offensive gap
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Speaker 1: is more impressive than the defensive gap and the intangibles gap.
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Speaker 1: And so that's what it came down to. And I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's right, but I at least can buy
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Speaker 1: that Aaron Judge had an MVP season this year.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think you know, we have all agreed
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Speaker 5: that they're both excellent candidates. Nothing should be taking away
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Speaker 5: from Aaron Judge. The interesting thing though, is when you
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Speaker 5: think about, like, well, okay, so what is the MVP.
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Speaker 5: What is it supposed to be? Right, it's your most
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Speaker 5: valuable player? Now is that your most valuable player to
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Speaker 5: their team? Because Cal was the most valuable player to.
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Speaker 3: His team, Well so it was Judge.
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Speaker 5: No, but yes, But I'm saying I think that Cal
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Speaker 5: was more valuable to the Mariners than Judge was to
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Speaker 5: the Yankees for everything that he does top to bottom.
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Speaker 3: Now you could look at it.
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Speaker 5: Who was the most valuable person to the league, who
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Speaker 5: had the stories being written about them every single day
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Speaker 5: because they were breaking records week after week.
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Speaker 3: Cal Rawley.
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Speaker 5: So I would say in both those situations, he was
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Speaker 5: the more valuable player.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think it is supposed to be
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Speaker 1: who's the most valuable player to your team. I think
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Speaker 1: that that is the decision that they are trying to make.
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Speaker 1: There was just you know, there were just more people
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Speaker 1: out of thirty that voted that Aaron Judge was more
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Speaker 1: valuable to the Yankees than what Cal Rawley was to
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Speaker 1: the Mariners.
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Speaker 3: We disagree with it, Yeah, that's the part I can't
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Speaker 3: figure out.
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Speaker 1: And maybe we would feel differently if we watched Judge
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Speaker 1: play every day and followed up. I mean, one of
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Speaker 1: the things that Sean Casey had said when he was
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Speaker 1: interviewing Aaron Judge was or evaluating Aaron Judge like, people
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Speaker 1: don't understand what a great human being this guy is,
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, no better than our guy.
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Speaker 5: Yeah right, and it better than a humanitarian award either.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah true. But I mean, but also on
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Speaker 1: the flipside, we pour into so much about how how Cal,
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Speaker 1: what a leader he is, what a captain he is,
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Speaker 1: and all a Judge fulfills that exact same role and
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Speaker 1: does it with just as much dignity and just as
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Speaker 1: much class as what Cal does. Absolutely, so, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was just two phenomenal candidates, and I really do
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Speaker 1: think that if it was Cal versus Show, Hey, Cal
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Speaker 1: would be Cal would have walked away with the award. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: Judges numbers offensively across the board. I mean, he hit
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Speaker 1: three thirty. Guys aren't even hitting three hundred. Now, that's
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Speaker 1: three thirty while getting pitched around more than any batter
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Speaker 1: in all of Major League Baseball. So there's no doubt
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Speaker 1: Aaron Judge had an MVP season, But so did Cal.
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Speaker 1: Only one gets to win it, and unfortunately, I think
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Speaker 1: they got it wrong.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they got it wrong too.
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Speaker 6: I mean it's the I get the idea that how well,
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Speaker 6: it's not the idea the fact that Judges numbers offensively
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Speaker 6: were just supreme. They were They were head and shoulders
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Speaker 6: above Col's. And that's crazy because Cow hit sixty homers. No,
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Speaker 6: but again, it's not like he hit twenty eight homers
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Speaker 6: and hit three forty and.
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Speaker 1: You know, more home runs and RBI.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's but I mean it's he didn't.
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Speaker 6: It wasn't by a ton, and yet the batting average
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Speaker 6: and on base percentage and walks and all of the
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Speaker 6: stuff that equate to that ops being substantially bigger. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: Judge was without a doubt better offensively, and yet it
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Speaker 6: to me, it it just shows that, Yeah, well the people,
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Speaker 6: the thirty people, and I don't understand how it's just thirty.
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Speaker 1: People the one it's one per market.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just saying I don't ever want anything of
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Speaker 6: substance being decided by thirty people. And so of the
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Speaker 6: thirty people, you know, they all agreed that it's definitely
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Speaker 6: was between Judge and cal There was no discrepancy on that,
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Speaker 6: so they weren't far off. It's just that, basically, I
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Speaker 6: think seventeen of them don't understand the difference between defensively.
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Speaker 6: They don't put the same amount of weight on that
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Speaker 6: versus the two hundred points in ops. I of course
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Speaker 6: that they recognize, Wow, catching is far dough tougher than
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Speaker 6: playing right field and dhing some right, they obviously understand it,
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Speaker 6: and they weigh that. I just don't think they put
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Speaker 6: enough weight into it. That's why I think it's wrong.
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Speaker 6: That's why I've been saying the whole time. I don't
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Speaker 6: think it should be particularly close. I thought it was
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Speaker 6: going to be close. I was right there with you,
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Speaker 6: kind of thinking I wouldn't be surprised if they go
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Speaker 6: with Aaron Judge because of the eye popping thing that
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Speaker 6: just is you can't you don't have to be that knowledgeable.
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Speaker 6: You don't have to be the most knowledgeable to be
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Speaker 6: able to recognize that offensive year that Judge did is
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Speaker 6: outste It's so outstanding that it makes it dwarfs the
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Speaker 6: outstanding offensive season that Cal had. Now Col's I think
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Speaker 6: is just has there's different stuff to it. And this
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Speaker 6: is where if I do have bias, that it'll go
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Speaker 6: into it where it's I have a hard time not
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Speaker 6: adding extra weight to the fact that it's switch hitting
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Speaker 6: and that it's you know, twenty homers for the first
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Speaker 6: time ever from each side of the plate that anybody's
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Speaker 6: ever done, and the people's names that he broke for
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Speaker 6: switch hitting home runs and for catching home runs. And
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Speaker 6: that's where it's like, Okay, now, I know that I'm
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Speaker 6: kind of grasping its straws to some degree to give
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Speaker 6: more credence and more credit to it. But really just
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Speaker 6: the bottom line, without the bias involved in the fact
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Speaker 6: that I like him, and I actually like Aaron Judge too,
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Speaker 6: it just boils down to I just I just think that,
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Speaker 6: plain and simple, the entirety of his work was far
15:48
Speaker 6: more valuable than the entirety of Aaron Judge's work. I mean,
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Speaker 6: if it's you want to say, forty more hits, Okay,
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Speaker 6: that's once every four days he got an extra hit,
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Speaker 6: then cal that's that's not drastic to me. Now, over
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Speaker 6: the course of the full season, obviously it turns into
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Speaker 6: higher numbers and better numbers. And yet there's just so
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Speaker 6: many seventeen thousand pitches Calcott, and I mean it's like
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Speaker 6: there's just there's just something about it that just is
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Speaker 6: it rubs me the wrong way. And I just think
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Speaker 6: that there's something missed by those that are voting. And
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Speaker 6: I just wish three others, three others would have went
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Speaker 6: the other way.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was closed. I don't think though, I
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Speaker 1: don't think that this is a sports writer thing. I
16:29
Speaker 1: think that former baseball players, I mean, we might have
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Speaker 1: had the exact same result. I mean, I've logged a
16:34
Speaker 1: lot of hours watching MLB Network, and I told you
16:37
Speaker 1: closer we were getting to this thing. The more that
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Speaker 1: those former players were talking about Aaron Judge, I think that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think this is baseball writers don't
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Speaker 1: recognize the significance. They do. But I do think that
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Speaker 1: baseball players might have come up with the exact same
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Speaker 1: result that what we have because.
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Speaker 5: It current players voted him the most outstanding player of
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Speaker 5: the Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But okay, but that process, well then if that's what
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Speaker 1: then celebrated, Yeah, I mean, if that process, I don't
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Speaker 1: even know what the rules are behind that process because
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Speaker 1: it's not even recognized as a legitimate award.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't get it.
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Speaker 1: So I don't even know what that process is. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it could have been just like ballots were left out
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Speaker 1: someday and some guys filled it out, some guys didn't.
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Speaker 1: I have no idea. This has been a calculated process
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Speaker 1: that they've been doing for a number of years. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, so I don't know if you just isolated
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Speaker 1: one player from every single team like they do in
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Speaker 1: this process, if we would have had the exact same
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Speaker 1: result with Aaron Judge. I can just tell you. Listening
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Speaker 1: to former players on MLB Network, they were leaning toward
17:49
Speaker 1: Judge too. I mean, and those are guys that certainly
17:52
Speaker 1: played the game recognized the value of cal Raley and
17:55
Speaker 1: what their what their repeated message was was, don't get
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Speaker 1: numb to how amazing Aaron Judge is, just because you've
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Speaker 1: seen him put together a season like this before. That
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Speaker 1: was their repeated message. We disagree with it, but I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it was. If they actually had the
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Speaker 1: same funneling process and you used players or former players
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Speaker 1: or managers, if we would have ended up with a different.
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Speaker 3: Result, would be interesting. Yeah, I would, Yeah, it would
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Speaker 3: be an interesting experiment.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to know, But I'm not sure that we would.
18:30
Speaker 1: I mean maybe we would. All right, let's find out
18:33
Speaker 1: what's on tap for the show today?
18:36
Speaker 3: What's on TEP?
18:39
Speaker 4: What's untep?
18:40
Speaker 1: All right, Aaron Judge edges cow for al MVP. We'll
18:43
Speaker 1: talk more about it in the Friday O Show Today show.
18:46
Speaker 1: A one is fourth MVP on the National League side
18:49
Speaker 1: of second in the National League and very funny. He
18:52
Speaker 1: kissed his dog. That was his celebration. If hugged them both,
18:59
Speaker 1: it might be like good jap And you don't do
19:01
Speaker 1: that in public.
19:02
Speaker 4: I don't know. Is that like a Japanese thing? You
19:03
Speaker 4: don't show affection on television.
19:07
Speaker 6: I mean there is some differences in how they show affection.
19:11
Speaker 1: I will say that. And now that the award shows
19:14
Speaker 1: are over, because there was an award show afterwards, And
19:16
Speaker 1: by the way, Cal and Julio were named All MLB
19:20
Speaker 1: this year first Team and that award show, and then
19:23
Speaker 1: Wu and Munjos were named the second team, so congratulations
19:27
Speaker 1: to them. That's not something that gets talked about a lot.
19:29
Speaker 1: We always talk about the All Pro Team at the
19:32
Speaker 1: end of the NFL season, But I don't know if
19:35
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't even remember them doing this.
19:37
Speaker 3: Well, we probably don't very often have a Mariner on it,
19:40
Speaker 3: so maybe we don't have a reason to talk about it.
19:42
Speaker 1: I think it is new. I don't think it's brand new.
19:44
Speaker 1: I think they've done it before. But I do think
19:47
Speaker 1: like the award ceremony and all of that stuff might
19:49
Speaker 1: be new. I could be wrong about that. But now
19:51
Speaker 1: the Stove offseason does officially begin, and the first episode
19:56
Speaker 1: of Stove Anders and I recorded yesterday. It is available
20:00
Speaker 1: on our website. I can't find it either. I don't
20:03
Speaker 1: know how to find things.
20:05
Speaker 3: I'll grab the link and tweeted out.
20:06
Speaker 1: But I do know that Anders and I tweeted it
20:09
Speaker 1: out last night on x so you can find it
20:14
Speaker 1: and we'll see if we can't get it on the
20:16
Speaker 1: front page of the website Crack and win last night
20:18
Speaker 1: over Winnipeg by a final score of five to three.
20:22
Speaker 1: Jordan Eberle scored twice in the third period, so he
20:26
Speaker 1: goes so the crack and take it. Finally, a little
20:29
Speaker 1: bit of an outburst of offense. They'll be facing those
20:32
Speaker 1: baby face Sharks tomorrow. Baby sharks, Baby sharks gonna hate
20:38
Speaker 1: us tomorrow. No, that's a great song. Tomorrow at seven o'clock?
20:43
Speaker 2: Is that?
20:43
Speaker 1: Is that game? College basketball? Tonight? It will be U
20:46
Speaker 1: Dub versus Wazoo eight o'clock tip. That's right, it's the
20:50
Speaker 1: Apple Cup on the hardwood and the Husky's taking on
20:54
Speaker 1: the Koogs. Also, the Zags in action tonight. An interesting
20:57
Speaker 1: game for them. They're at Arizona State. It's football, you
21:00
Speaker 1: dob host Purdue this Saturday. We'll hear a little bit
21:04
Speaker 1: from Rick new Isil on this game in case you
21:06
Speaker 1: missed it. Also Thursday Night football the New England Patriots.
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Speaker 1: I knew I should have taken the under damn it.
21:13
Speaker 1: Twenty seven to fourteen. I'm gonna lose that Penn State
21:15
Speaker 1: bet now I know.
21:16
Speaker 4: I am.
21:16
Speaker 1: Twenty seven to fourteen. The final score of the Patriots
21:20
Speaker 1: over the Jets last night to start week number eleven
21:23
Speaker 1: of the National Football League season, and we will play
21:26
Speaker 1: some more Factor fiction today at seven thirty five Ashley's
21:29
Speaker 1: pick today, but most of the show will be about tomorrow,
21:33
Speaker 1: excuse me, Sunday's game between the Seahawks and the Rams.
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Speaker 1: Greg Bell at seven oh five, Hugh Millen X's and
21:39
Speaker 1: O's at nine, Mike Homeran at nine thirty, and plenty
21:43
Speaker 1: of conversation in between. As a matter of fact, what's
21:46
Speaker 1: at stake for Sam Darnold in tomorrow's game? Interesting stupid question,
21:53
Speaker 1: but we're going to answer it anyway. Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 1: three point three KJRFM. I always try to figure out Ashley's.
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Speaker 5: Put in st what's at stake? And with Michael Stich,
22:08
Speaker 5: I was like, well, no, stand is?
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Speaker 6: I was?
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Speaker 3: I ever heard that song in a while? Let's play
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Speaker 3: out one? Why not?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Mine was better?
22:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Chuck Bucke and Ashley with you.
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Speaker 1: It was nice to hear that song. I haven't heard
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Speaker 1: that a long Yeah, there you go, Yes, what's what's
22:24
Speaker 1: that stand in this game? Is what we're going to
22:27
Speaker 1: talk abouts. There you go, Okay, you keep you keep? Yeah?
22:33
Speaker 1: Good justification back there Sea Hawks rams one o'clock on Sunday.
22:38
Speaker 1: I mean everything, first base, first place is on the line,
22:41
Speaker 1: but just first place midway through the year. I mean,
22:45
Speaker 1: let's be real about this. I mean, as great a game.
22:48
Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Sander said, I don't remember being as
22:50
Speaker 1: excited about a Seahawks regular season game. I don't remember
22:54
Speaker 1: the last time I was this excited to watch it.
22:56
Speaker 1: And we did a little bit of math probably seven
22:58
Speaker 1: eight years ago maybe, and maybe we are prisoners of
23:01
Speaker 1: the moment. But as was pointed out, and I don't
23:05
Speaker 1: think Greg was saying the divisions on the line on Sunday,
23:09
Speaker 1: but Hugh did want to make clear in the roundtable
23:11
Speaker 1: yesterday that really the winner of this game. It's a
23:15
Speaker 1: nice win, and it gives you a game and a
23:17
Speaker 1: half lead over the other team in the division for
23:21
Speaker 1: the moment. You do have to face each other again, though,
23:24
Speaker 1: and you can just eliminate, you can scrub this loss
23:27
Speaker 1: whoever loses it. So, I mean, it's not like the
23:30
Speaker 1: division is on the line here in this game, but
23:34
Speaker 1: certainly for week eleven of a eighteen week regular season. Yeah,
23:42
Speaker 1: this is about as big as it gets.
23:44
Speaker 6: Well, something's got to give right, I mean, you got
23:46
Speaker 6: both of them. Are you're essentially tied at the top
23:49
Speaker 6: of the division record wise. The Seahawks haven't lost on
23:52
Speaker 6: the road this year, and the Rams are pretty good
23:56
Speaker 6: at home. I think one of their losses was at home.
23:59
Speaker 6: But they're three and one home I So to me, it's, yeah,
24:03
Speaker 6: it's not a make or break. I mean, the team
24:06
Speaker 6: that loses this game could very well end up winning
24:08
Speaker 6: the division, regardless of which one it is. So it's
24:11
Speaker 6: not a it's not like, you know, it could become
24:13
Speaker 6: Week seventeen or whatever when you when all the marbles
24:16
Speaker 6: are on the table, so to speak.
24:18
Speaker 4: But I think that there's the measuring stick side of it.
24:22
Speaker 6: Neither team I think has a really high quality win,
24:26
Speaker 6: I don't think. I mean, I think the Rams beat
24:29
Speaker 6: the Colts, which is a good win, I suppose, but
24:31
Speaker 6: that was that was in Week four when we didn't
24:34
Speaker 6: even know if the culture really that good necessarily, I mean,
24:38
Speaker 6: they it's not that they've had that. They're not significant.
24:40
Speaker 6: Every win in the NFL is good, and.
24:42
Speaker 1: This one's more significant than the most because it is
24:44
Speaker 1: worth it's worth a win and a half I mean
24:47
Speaker 1: for just for that alone, because you for the moment,
24:50
Speaker 1: even though you have a chance to undo that, you,
24:53
Speaker 1: for the moment have taken a one game lead and
24:56
Speaker 1: you have the tiebreaker over the team that is closest
25:00
Speaker 1: to you in the division. So that in and of
25:02
Speaker 1: itself makes it bigger than a normal game ten of
25:06
Speaker 1: the regular season. But there's so much season left to
25:09
Speaker 1: make up for it that this isn't like their meeting
25:12
Speaker 1: in week seventeen of the season.
25:15
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the well, that's the idea of but it's
25:18
Speaker 6: one of those Okay, we get to I think both
25:20
Speaker 6: teams are feeling really good about themselves offensively, defensively. You know,
25:24
Speaker 6: Hughes kind of pointed out a couple of times that
25:26
Speaker 6: maybe one team is feeling really good the Seahawks special
25:29
Speaker 6: teams wise, and the Rams maybe not so much. But
25:32
Speaker 6: really overarching, you walk through each clubhouse and I'm pretty
25:35
Speaker 6: sure guys are puffed up and feeling confident about going
25:38
Speaker 6: into this game, and yet only one of them is
25:40
Speaker 6: gonna come out victorious. And so I think there's something
25:43
Speaker 6: to that. There's you don't want to be playing that
25:45
Speaker 6: second matchup, you know, in week sixteen, where you're like,
25:48
Speaker 6: now we have to win this right, because ultimately you
25:51
Speaker 6: could you take a more than a step, it's called
25:55
Speaker 6: a step and a half in the direction of winning
25:57
Speaker 6: the division. By winning this, it doesn't mean that you can't.
26:00
Speaker 6: You'll take two steps back at some point while they're
26:02
Speaker 6: taking while they're stepping up and stepping forward. So it's important,
26:06
Speaker 6: But to me, it just feels more like the stuff intrinsically,
26:09
Speaker 6: the stuff inside about how you'll feel about it, makes
26:12
Speaker 6: it far bigger than even the consequences in the win
26:15
Speaker 6: lost record.
26:16
Speaker 3: I just think too.
26:17
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, to be able to have the ability
26:19
Speaker 5: to control your own outcomes moving forward in the season. Yes,
26:23
Speaker 5: as we said, still a lot of season left to play,
26:26
Speaker 5: but the last thing you want is to get down
26:28
Speaker 5: to those last three weeks of the season.
26:30
Speaker 3: Now you're going into the Rams game.
26:31
Speaker 5: You have to win, and you have to have other
26:34
Speaker 5: people losing to help you get where you want to get.
26:37
Speaker 3: You want to be able to have it all under
26:38
Speaker 3: your own control. And this win is.
26:40
Speaker 5: A big way puts you in the drivers see exactly
26:42
Speaker 5: puts you in the driver's seat.
26:43
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I think that's a worthwhile conversation, and I
26:48
Speaker 1: think it was worthwhile even though I don't think Greg
26:51
Speaker 1: meant it the way that he was saying it. I
26:53
Speaker 1: think it was worthwhile for you to just in case
26:56
Speaker 1: people don't, let me just correct this is the season's
26:59
Speaker 1: not on the line on stately, all right. I think
27:02
Speaker 1: that's worthwhile to discuss. Now the worldwide leader in its
27:06
Speaker 1: pathetic way to make everything seem so much larger than
27:10
Speaker 1: it actually is. The conversation yesterday that they had on
27:14
Speaker 1: one of the talking head shows was what's at stake
27:17
Speaker 1: for Sam Donald?
27:19
Speaker 5: Oh?
27:20
Speaker 3: Gosh, poor Sam Darnald.
27:21
Speaker 1: What's at stake for Sam Donald? If he loses, he's
27:24
Speaker 1: a game back in the NFC West, And if he wins,
27:26
Speaker 1: he's a game ahead.
27:28
Speaker 3: I mean, what else?
27:29
Speaker 1: What else would be at stake?
27:30
Speaker 3: Like?
27:30
Speaker 1: Are we? Are we saying that if Sam Donald doesn't
27:34
Speaker 1: play well tomorrow, it'll.
27:35
Speaker 3: Prove that he can't win big games, that's what they're hoping.
27:39
Speaker 1: I think, are you trying to say that if Sam
27:42
Speaker 1: Donald doesn't beat the Rams on Sunday that, based off
27:47
Speaker 1: of last year's postseason struggles, he'll never beat the Rams?
27:52
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing more than Sam Donald's a game
27:57
Speaker 1: back of the Rams in the NFC. What Sam Donald
27:59
Speaker 1: and the Sea or a game back of the Rams
28:01
Speaker 1: in the NFC West. If he loses on Sunday, and
28:03
Speaker 1: if he wins, he's a game ahead, it doesn't mean
28:05
Speaker 1: that he solved the Rams and Sam Donald has clearly
28:09
Speaker 1: entered the conversation as best quarterback in the National Football League.
28:15
Speaker 1: I mean, what's at stake for Sam Donald? Same thing
28:17
Speaker 1: that's at stake for JSN or Dvante Adams or or
28:22
Speaker 1: you know, Matthew Stafford, Matthew Stafford or whoever it's that
28:26
Speaker 1: I'll be a game up on the Rams, be a
28:28
Speaker 1: really nice win on Sunday.
28:30
Speaker 6: There's nothing Well, yeah, I wouldn't say there's anything that
28:33
Speaker 6: is at stake because that, to me implies if it
28:36
Speaker 6: doesn't go, well, what does that mean?
28:39
Speaker 4: Right, what's at stake?
28:40
Speaker 1: I would say Mike McDonald and John Schneider look at
28:43
Speaker 1: each other after the game is over, like we clearly
28:45
Speaker 1: have the wrong guy.
28:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was working out really well. Yeah, seven
28:50
Speaker 4: and three.
28:51
Speaker 6: We should reassume I'm dry. John, no row, get your helmet. Yeah,
28:58
Speaker 6: you're getting more reps.
29:00
Speaker 4: Can't handle this. I will say this.
29:02
Speaker 6: I think that there is something to if you were
29:06
Speaker 6: thinking about the surprise. I think you maybe asked this
29:08
Speaker 6: question yesterday to somebody, uh surprised of Matthew Stafford and
29:13
Speaker 6: Sam Donald being in the MVP race. I wouldn't call
29:17
Speaker 6: it what's at stake, but I would think Sam Sam
29:19
Speaker 6: Donald goes out there and continues puts up another monster
29:23
Speaker 6: game against a division foe, out duels Matthew Stafford. Now
29:27
Speaker 6: might mind you, they don't play against each other per
29:30
Speaker 6: se when it comes to offensive jump him in the
29:32
Speaker 6: MVP guy, I think, so that's like, what could he gain?
29:36
Speaker 4: Big game?
29:37
Speaker 6: But that to me is not this And yet that's
29:39
Speaker 6: one of those Okay, really is that a preemptive conversation
29:41
Speaker 6: or is that something you wait until? Is that something
29:44
Speaker 6: you wait until he kicks his ass? And then you're like, dude,
29:48
Speaker 6: this guy, you know, this is this is for real?
29:51
Speaker 6: That was the That was the stamp on what has
29:53
Speaker 6: been a spectacular MVP candidacy type of first half.
29:57
Speaker 3: Yeah.
29:57
Speaker 1: I mean there was a time during the regular season
30:00
Speaker 1: where maybe more of those voters, seventeen out of those
30:04
Speaker 1: thirty voters, maybe we're gonna vote for col in mid September.
30:08
Speaker 1: I mean, do we know, does it matter that you've
30:11
Speaker 1: moved ahead of Matt Stafford in the MVP race at
30:15
Speaker 1: week ten of the season on November fourteenth. So, I mean, yeah,
30:20
Speaker 1: that's you're right, that's a worthwhile conversation. But I don't
30:24
Speaker 1: think that I would put a headline across the screen.
30:27
Speaker 1: What's at stake for Sam Donald? No MVP positioning midway
30:32
Speaker 1: through a football season. I guess that's what's at stake
30:34
Speaker 1: for Sam Darnold. A game in the standings, that's what's
30:37
Speaker 1: at stake for Sam Donald on Sunday.
30:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I don't think he's losing any reps.
30:42
Speaker 6: He could go out there and have an absolute stinker,
30:44
Speaker 6: and it doesn't mean that we're gonna be talking about
30:47
Speaker 6: is our quarterback controversy going into the game against Tennessee.
30:50
Speaker 1: John, you obviously had an eye. We're better off of
30:54
Speaker 1: Sam Donald than Gino Smith. But he can't beat the Rams. John, Yeah,
30:58
Speaker 1: that's what's at stake.
30:59
Speaker 3: Let's give him back to the vikings, all right, no.
31:01
Speaker 1: Cliche Keys to victory. Next Sports Radio ninety three point
31:04
Speaker 1: three kJ R f M. I do appreciate that Bucky
31:07
Speaker 1: is throwing his hands up these days, even though his
31:09
Speaker 1: heart's not in it.
31:11
Speaker 3: I mean, he seems me strong he's more in than he.
31:15
Speaker 4: Man.
31:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you don't keep him all the way
31:18
Speaker 1: up like Ludacrous tells you to do.
31:20
Speaker 4: No, you know, it's true.
31:22
Speaker 1: It's it's all half hearted, but it's better than no hearted.
31:25
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean I did back in the day,
31:27
Speaker 4: like when I was clubbing.
31:29
Speaker 6: Oh, oh, I know you're into it. Yeah, you're right, Yeah,
31:33
Speaker 6: it was. It was the vibe, you know, it was
31:34
Speaker 6: all about where I was at. Yeah, al stick in
31:36
Speaker 6: your mouth possibly, yeah, quite possibly. But yeah, I don't
31:40
Speaker 6: have that same zest. Yeah, it's just not there. I
31:43
Speaker 6: don't feel it, you know, at six point fifty in
31:45
Speaker 6: the morning.
31:46
Speaker 1: Now, I'm just saying I appreciate you at least half
31:48
Speaker 1: hearting it.
31:49
Speaker 4: Yeah.
31:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, because it turns into a stretch. I put
31:52
Speaker 6: my arms up and then I'm like, oh, this is
31:53
Speaker 6: a good feeling stretch.
31:56
Speaker 1: So you're multitasking.
31:57
Speaker 4: Yeah.
31:58
Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's time for our no cliche keys
32:00
Speaker 1: to victory. We do this before every Seahawks game. We
32:03
Speaker 1: go around the room, what's the key to the victory?
32:05
Speaker 1: And please do not use a cliche like so many
32:09
Speaker 1: lazy analysts use out there. I need something specific as
32:13
Speaker 1: to why the Seahawks can pull off a victory against
32:16
Speaker 1: the Rams in La on Sunday, Bucky get a start.
32:19
Speaker 6: I mean, I think this really could be twofold for
32:22
Speaker 6: both guys, and yet this is kind of one of
32:24
Speaker 6: those decisive moments. We'll see quarterbacks good quarterbacks that have
32:29
Speaker 6: bad games, and a lot of times where that happens
32:31
Speaker 6: is holding on to the ball too long and letting
32:35
Speaker 6: the pass rush get to him. I mean, both these
32:37
Speaker 6: teams have some guys that can get after the quarterback.
32:39
Speaker 6: Jared Vers I think is the guy that pops in
32:41
Speaker 6: my head first. But this Byron Young Dude's got nine
32:44
Speaker 6: sacks for them. So to me, the key is Sam
32:47
Speaker 6: Darnold has to be decisive and he has to be
32:49
Speaker 6: quick with it, right, Which is that processing and how
32:52
Speaker 6: quick your processor works is the key I think to
32:55
Speaker 6: playing really good quarterback. It sounds like, and that's what
32:58
Speaker 6: I'm learning from Hugh Millin, is it just you got
33:00
Speaker 6: to throw to the right guy at the right time. Well,
33:03
Speaker 6: that's a in a division rival matchup, I think you
33:06
Speaker 6: have to figure out where that is quicker because they're
33:08
Speaker 6: going to they know what you want to do and
33:10
Speaker 6: they're going to try to take those things away, and
33:12
Speaker 6: yet it's a double edged sword because you can't hold
33:14
Speaker 6: on to it. If they've taken one away or even
33:16
Speaker 6: the second option away. You've got to move through your
33:19
Speaker 6: progression and get rid of the ball, otherwise it could
33:21
Speaker 6: be damage. So the key is what get rid of
33:24
Speaker 6: the ball. He's got to be quick and decisive. He's
33:27
Speaker 6: got to be quick and decisive. Don't hold onto the ball.
33:29
Speaker 6: If you got to throw the thing out of the
33:31
Speaker 6: bounds and then go ahead and do that, or if
33:32
Speaker 6: you've got to, you know, dirt it a little bit.
33:34
Speaker 6: Just don't hold onto that ball and let big things
33:36
Speaker 6: happen bad way.
33:37
Speaker 1: Ashley, what you know cliche key to victory?
33:39
Speaker 3: I mean, you just have to play smart football.
33:41
Speaker 5: We've talked about all week how close these two teams
33:43
Speaker 5: are in every aspect. So and while I recognize it's
33:46
Speaker 5: impossible to be perfect in every aspect of the game,
33:49
Speaker 5: you can't let your mistakes be bigger than their mistakes.
33:53
Speaker 5: And they're very good at taking advantage of any mistakes.
33:56
Speaker 3: And we in the.
33:57
Speaker 5: Second half of last week got sloppy. We made some mistakes.
34:00
Speaker 5: You can't play that kind of football. You've got to
34:02
Speaker 5: play the first half against Arizona. That's what you've got
34:05
Speaker 5: to play.
34:05
Speaker 1: Did you just hear a turnover battle?
34:07
Speaker 4: Did you? A little bit?
34:08
Speaker 3: But I explained it better?
34:09
Speaker 4: Yeah?
34:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, not just turnovers, all mistakes.
34:13
Speaker 3: All mistakes.
34:13
Speaker 4: Yeah.
34:14
Speaker 5: But it was funny because when I looked at it,
34:16
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, we just have to win the
34:17
Speaker 5: turnover battle because because are there. But as I was
34:20
Speaker 5: looking at the difference, right because their turnover differential there
34:23
Speaker 5: plus seven were minus four, like, yeah, we make a
34:27
Speaker 5: lot more mistakes they don't.
34:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it is, I mean, you can use turnover battle.
34:32
Speaker 1: You just have to give us a specific reason why. Yeah,
34:36
Speaker 1: turnover Did I do that? Do I need to be better?
34:39
Speaker 4: I know you're in a gray area.
34:40
Speaker 1: I think Bucky.
34:41
Speaker 6: Mine was kind of is essentially leaning towards turnover battle
34:45
Speaker 6: as well, right, admit, yeah, you well it's yeah, it's
34:51
Speaker 6: but there's a how you got to do it because
34:53
Speaker 6: if you don't, Yeah, yeah, turnovers could be costly.
34:56
Speaker 1: Obviously, I'm gonna go mind no cliche. Key to Victor
35:00
Speaker 1: is Davonte Adams. Uh, Okay, if he play, doesn't play,
35:05
Speaker 1: we're gonna win. If he does play, then there's gonna
35:10
Speaker 1: be a real challenge for Mike McDonald. Theyre not a
35:14
Speaker 1: lot of teams you're gonna face. Are gonna have two
35:16
Speaker 1: elite receivers and an elite quarterback, and they are difficult matchups.
35:23
Speaker 1: They're both big, they're both physical, and so you know
35:27
Speaker 1: you can put spoon on one. Who's going are you?
35:32
Speaker 1: Reek Willen's gonna have to play the other in man
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Speaker 1: and man situations, even in zone situations, and so Reek
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Speaker 1: Wallan's been a little spotty. He's been better as of late,
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Speaker 1: but it's this could really come down Toreek Wollan in
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Speaker 1: his matchup against a stronger, more physical Nikua, or Riek
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Speaker 1: Wollan's matchup against one of the great route runners in
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Speaker 1: the history of the National Football League, Davonte Adams. So
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Speaker 1: that skill and know how and wisdom versus Riek Wollan,
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Speaker 1: who's not exactly steeped in those three categories. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know how Mike McDonald will play it, but Rieke
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Speaker 1: Wollan is gonna have to play a big role in
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Speaker 1: this game, and he's gonna have to play well because
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Speaker 1: if DeVante Adams plays, he's gonna be matching up against
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Speaker 1: an elite receiver. Is he ready for that matchup. So
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be my Keno cliche key to Victory headlines.
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