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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show. I'm Danica DiGiorgio, tonight
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Speaker 2: joined by Kayla Bond. And because we don't have James
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Speaker 2: McPherson tonight, well, we brought the next best thing, his
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Speaker 2: beautiful wife, Adoni Media's Lisa Goddard. Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, guys.
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Speaker 2: How exciting to have you on.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's nice because James McPherson can now sit at
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Speaker 4: home and wait for me tonight.
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Speaker 2: He can be the late guy. Yes. Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 1: In fact, he's not sitting at home. He's sitting in
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Speaker 1: the control room. He's decided to keep such a close
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Speaker 1: eye on things.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, he's really.
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Speaker 1: He's monitoring us tonight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really breathing down your neck tonight.
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Speaker 1: I think he's monitoring me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. So don't make any mistakes tonight because
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Speaker 2: I'm sure he's going to tell you about it. Gee,
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Speaker 2: how good was Mark Holden tonight? Did you see him
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Speaker 2: on Shari?
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Speaker 1: I know it's been a while since I've seen him.
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Speaker 2: Touchdown! Hey, there it is.
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Speaker 1: Mark Holden is back. I'd sort of forgotten about him
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Speaker 1: because I haven't heard much from him for so long,
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Speaker 1: but there you go, he's back and singing and recording again.
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Speaker 2: There you go, incredible. The touchdown days, never forget. Aussie
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Speaker 2: Idol fan, quite through and through. Alright, let's get started.
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Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, forget cologne. Apparently the latest dating trend
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Speaker 2: is pheromone maxing, where young men ditch deodorant and stop
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Speaker 2: showering in order to maximise their attractiveness to the opposite sex.
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Speaker 2: What on earth? Should AI be used to make submissions
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Speaker 2: to Parliament? It's already happening, flooding inquiries with misinformation. And
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Speaker 2: will the real Zoran Mamdani please stand up? Did you
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Speaker 2: know that there's a NYC mayor lookalike contest in the US?
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Speaker 2: But first tonight, they say, hell hath no fury like
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Speaker 2: a woman scorned. But when cheating blows a relationship apart,
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Speaker 2: should the dirty laundry be aired in public? Well, that's
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Speaker 2: what's happened with ex-wife of AFL footballer Lockie Neal and
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Speaker 2: the woman he cheated on her with. Jules Neal and
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Speaker 2: her ex-best friend Tess Crosley have both done separate podcasts
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Speaker 2: this week, desperate to tell their sides of the story.
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Speaker 2: Here was Neal's version. The worst day of my life. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Didn't leave bed for four days.
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Speaker 5: How did it come out in the media?
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Speaker 1: Was it leaked at all?
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Speaker 2: Probably leaked by me.
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Speaker 5: I thought it was a kiss and I actually packed
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Speaker 5: up and left because of that. If you could give
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Speaker 5: any advice to women dating a professional athlete.
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Speaker 1: Don't do it.
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Speaker 2: Regardless.
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Speaker 5: Don't touch it.
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Speaker 2: While Tess claimed that she deeply regretted the affair.
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Speaker 5: I think it was just sort of like a friendship
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Speaker 5: that just got way too close. And I think I
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Speaker 5: experienced love bombing, which I think definitely changes your brain chemicals.
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Speaker 5: And I think back and just think that was not
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Speaker 5: me during that time. But I do still have to
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Speaker 5: be accountable at the end of the day and take
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Speaker 5: responsibility where it's due.
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Speaker 2: Gee, talk about drama. Now, in strolls, veteran AFL reporter
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Speaker 2: Caroline Wilson today criticising both women for their separate decisions
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Speaker 2: to air their dirty laundry.
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Speaker 4: For the purposes of this call, I watched, read, listened
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Speaker 4: to both of these interviews and I cannot understand why
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Speaker 4: either woman chose to do it.
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Speaker 2: And I've got to say, I'm with Caroline Wilson. I
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Speaker 2: don't always agree with Caro on a lot of things,
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Speaker 2: but this time she is right. I thought both of
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Speaker 2: them appearing on podcasts was completely tacky. Don't forget that
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Speaker 2: there are children involved on both sides of the family
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Speaker 2: here who one day these kids have to grow up
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Speaker 2: and listen to their mothers grovelling off on podcasts about
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Speaker 2: their own sex lives, about their dating lives, about what
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Speaker 2: may or may not have occurred. I can completely sympathise
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Speaker 2: with Jules Neill. I do feel sorry for her given
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Speaker 2: the situation. And given that this is such a high
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Speaker 2: profile relationship, she was dating Lockie Neal, a very high
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Speaker 2: profile player. But I just think that if you're going
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Speaker 2: to have a spat, have it in private. Don't put
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Speaker 2: it out on social media. Don't put it out for
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Speaker 2: the public to know. To me, it leaves a sour
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Speaker 2: taste in my mouth, Caleb.
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Speaker 1: It just seems so unedifying, doesn't it? And I don't
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Speaker 1: think the timing is coincidental because Lockie Neal has just
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Speaker 1: sort of debuted a new girlfriend, right? And, you know,
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Speaker 1: we're more than six months on from all of this
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Speaker 1: breaking out was at the start of the year. And
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Speaker 1: it kind of feels like they've decided, Ms Neil and
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Speaker 1: Ms Crosley, that, you know, the new girlfriend is getting
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Speaker 1: some airtime, so they ought to claim some airtime as well.
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Speaker 1: Let's get out there and tell our story. Now, no
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Speaker 1: doubt Ms Neil was wronged, and I'm not sure I
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Speaker 1: buy so much Ms Crosley's statement... of events that, you know, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: it affected her brain chemicals and therefore it was not
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Speaker 1: her at the time. Come on, really. But why do
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Speaker 1: they have to come out and go on a podcast
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Speaker 1: and do all this stuff, chapter and verse... You know,
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Speaker 1: there are certain parts of your life that maybe the
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Speaker 1: world doesn't need to know about. Now, granted, it was
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Speaker 1: drawn to public attention because Lockie Neill is a public
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Speaker 1: man and Ms Crosley publicly outed him for having had
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Speaker 1: an affair. But beyond that, I'm not sure it really
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Speaker 1: does you any favours to come out and tell all
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Speaker 1: the dirty secrets. I mean, you know, if Lockie Neill
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Speaker 1: at some point wants to write that in his biography,
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Speaker 1: which I highly doubt he does... we might hear some
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Speaker 1: of that stuff, but I'm not sure it does any
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Speaker 1: favours for you coming out and talking all about it,
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Speaker 1: does it?
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Speaker 4: Well, from a crisis perspective, I think it does, because
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Speaker 4: if they're not going to go out there and tell
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Speaker 4: their side of the story, and, look, it's salacious, so
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Speaker 4: it's always.
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Speaker 3: Going to get the headlines.
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Speaker 1: Oh, bring on the yarns!
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Speaker 4: Somebody else is going to be out there trying to
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Speaker 4: offer up the fodder. So, from a crisis perspective, I
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Speaker 4: think they've done the right thing. You're right, the children
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Speaker 4: at some stage will read it because it will live on,
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Speaker 4: but for Caro to say, look, Why have they done
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Speaker 4: this in the age of social media?
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Speaker 3: Well, that's, hello, answer your own question.
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Speaker 4: Exactly why they've done it, because look at what the
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Speaker 4: followers are doing. It's getting more attention. Jules is posting
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Speaker 4: it on her Instagram now. She wants her side of
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Speaker 4: the story out there. I can't blame her for that.
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Speaker 4: In the old days, it would have been try and
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Speaker 4: sell it to Woman's Day or New Idea. Now the
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Speaker 4: currency is on social media.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you obviously work in crisis comms, that people
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Speaker 2: care enough about these things.
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Speaker 3: Do you know what's really sad?
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Speaker 4: I happen to know somebody who is an AFL tragic
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Speaker 4: and you would think this type of material would be
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Speaker 4: the very last thing he would read. But I can
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Speaker 4: tell you he is very much across what each of
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Speaker 4: these women are saying. So I think there's probably a
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Speaker 4: lot of men across this country who are reading what
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Speaker 4: we would traditionally think is material.
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Speaker 3: That's targeted towards women. who are staying across it all
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Speaker 3: because it's AFL?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's good goss. There's no doubt it's good goss.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, it's not a crisis anymore, is it?
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Speaker 1: I mean, this was ages ago all of this stuff
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Speaker 1: came out, all the fact that he had an affair
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Speaker 1: came out. And now they have chosen, after he gets
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Speaker 1: a new girlfriend, to come out and sort of tell
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Speaker 1: their side of the story. If it were a crisis thing,
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Speaker 1: surely they would have done this six months ago. I
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Speaker 1: think they've waited now because they've gone, well, the story's
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Speaker 1: back in the news. Let's strike while the iron's hot
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Speaker 1: and get a bit of attention for ourselves. Again, I
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Speaker 1: feel sorry for them that they've ended up in this circumstance,
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Speaker 1: but it's all just about garnering a bit of publicity,
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Speaker 1: isn't it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exactly that.
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Speaker 4: And there happens to be some sort of a game
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Speaker 4: final coming up as well. So the timing of it
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Speaker 4: is perfect from that perspective. And you're right, they would
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Speaker 4: have just sat there and gone, right, when can we
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Speaker 4: do this? And both of them at the same time.
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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's coincidental or not, but it's
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Speaker 4: certainly making for good fodder.
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Speaker 2: Oh, well, it is. I mean, some of the headlines
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Speaker 2: out of it have.
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Speaker 1: Been, oh, they're good grief. And you know what? I
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Speaker 1: suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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Speaker 1: We're here talking about it.
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Speaker 5: Aren't we?
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Speaker 1: Well, we're here, aren't we? So they got the attention
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Speaker 1: they wanted and good luck to them, I suppose, if
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Speaker 1: they made a buck along the way, even better for them.
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Speaker 1: While we're talking about airing things, if you're going to
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Speaker 1: go to a parliamentary inquiry, if you're going to make
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Speaker 1: a submission to a parliamentary inquiry, you know, and these
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Speaker 1: opportunities come up all the time, They have an inquiry
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Speaker 1: into something or another because they want to sort of
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Speaker 1: drill a bit deeper into it. There might be a
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Speaker 1: potential bill coming up or whatever it is. As an example,
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Speaker 1: recently there was one into the illicit tobacco crisis, right?
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Speaker 1: They happen all the time. People are invited to put
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Speaker 1: in what they believe is going on, their side of
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Speaker 1: the story. You get people in public, you get... interest groups, whatever.
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Speaker 1: And then they consider this stuff and come back with
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Speaker 1: a report as to what they think the Parliament should
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Speaker 1: do about said issue. Well, it turns out now that
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Speaker 1: these parliamentary inquiries are being filled up with submissions that
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Speaker 1: have been written by AI, or at least in part
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Speaker 1: have been written by AI. The Guardian has looked through
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Speaker 1: a number of these inquiries and the reports that are
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Speaker 1: being put through to them, and they found at least
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Speaker 1: 39 submissions that had been put into parliamentary inquiries that
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Speaker 1: included hallucinated references. Now, for the uninitiated, when AI bots
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Speaker 1: like ChatGPT or whatever it might be that you use,
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Speaker 1: Gemini or something, when they make stuff up, The term
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Speaker 1: that is used for it is hallucination. Now, I would
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Speaker 1: prefer to call it false. You know, it's wrong. They
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Speaker 1: haven't hallucinated anything. It's not actually a human being, even
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Speaker 1: though we sometimes treat artificial intelligence like real intelligence. Never mind.
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Speaker 1: But they found 39 of these that had completely false references.
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Speaker 1: So people are putting in submissions to parliamentary inquiries that
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Speaker 1: containing ostensibly false information because they have taken it from AI. And,
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Speaker 1: of course, we're then expecting politicians to wade through all
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Speaker 1: of this garbage and it makes their job harder because
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Speaker 1: they've got to work out what is legit and what
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Speaker 1: is not. And, in fact, one of the particular submissions
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Speaker 1: that The Guardian highlighted, they say, one document submitted to
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Speaker 1: an inquiry into family violence and suicide included a hallucinated
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Speaker 1: reference attributed to Divna Haslam, a University of Queensland associate
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Speaker 1: professor and clinical psychologist, and misstated her team's research findings. Haslam,
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Speaker 1: who researches child and family adversity and maltreatment, says the
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Speaker 1: reference was, quote, scary because it looked so real that
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Speaker 1: someone taking a cursory look at it could be convinced.
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Speaker 1: Google's AI summary... then summarised that reference in its search
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Speaker 1: results as if it were a real paper. So it
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Speaker 1: kind of becomes this infinite feedback loop in which AI
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Speaker 1: spits out something saying something is real. AI then takes
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Speaker 1: notice of other AI saying it's real and then that
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Speaker 1: AI says it's real and on and on. It goes.
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Speaker 1: And the person who put this report in, drilled down report,
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Speaker 1: it's not a person, an entity, I suppose, they replied
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Speaker 1: to The Guardian and said, bugger off, basically. They said,
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Speaker 1: we do strongly believe in the human factor and that
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Speaker 1: it should be a vital part of the full quality
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Speaker 1: review process. Unfortunately, the human factor also lets us down
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Speaker 1: when uploading the correct document. I get that you feel
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Speaker 1: you have a juicy article to add the AI fear machine,
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Speaker 1: but this was a human error, not AI. Well, indeed,
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Speaker 1: it is human error if you're not going through garbage
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Speaker 1: that AI is spitting out and then going, oh, hang
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Speaker 1: on a minute, that paper isn't real. All the information
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Speaker 1: is utterly false. But this is presumably going to happen
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Speaker 1: more and more. And I think we talked a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago About the Fair Work Commission now fearing
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Speaker 1: that it will be inundated with cases that people are
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Speaker 1: creating through AI. They represent themselves. They get some, you know,
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Speaker 1: chachapati or whatever to spit out all this rubbish and
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Speaker 1: they go into the Fair Work Commission and they think
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Speaker 1: they've got a case when indeed they don't. And then
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Speaker 1: the Fair Work Commission has to put up with all
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Speaker 1: of this garbage. And the same obviously now goes for
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Speaker 1: parliamentary inquiries. They're going to have to wade through all
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Speaker 1: of this. I suggested with the Fair Work Commission that
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Speaker 1: there should be a financial penalty for using AI, particularly
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Speaker 1: dodgy AI, in the work you send to them. I
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Speaker 1: suspect there's maybe an argument to do the same for
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Speaker 1: parliamentary inquiries if you're going to make them go through it.
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Speaker 1: The only trouble is how do we actually work out
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Speaker 1: what is AI and what is just some crank making
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Speaker 1: stuff up?
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Speaker 4: Well, and that's a good question because right now universities
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Speaker 4: and schools will have AI detectors in place. So you've
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Speaker 4: got a 17 year old assignment under more scrutiny than
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Speaker 4: what you've got a submission to the parliament.
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Speaker 3: And if you mislead parliament, well, that's contempt of parliament.
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Speaker 4: So at some point, They have to put in a
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Speaker 4: system where they can analyse what is being submitted, what
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Speaker 4: is fake.
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Speaker 3: And you're right, the onus has to.
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Speaker 4: Be on whoever is placing that document in the parliament
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Speaker 4: to make sure that every source there is actually real.
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Speaker 4: It hasn't been hallucinated. It's not made up. It's not
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Speaker 4: going to keep feeding through that playback loop of the
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Speaker 4: internet because at the end of the day, it is
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Speaker 4: setting policy.
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Speaker 3: For this country.
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Speaker 4: So it's incredibly frightening. And this is what I found
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Speaker 4: really interesting. The Guardian can develop a computer program that
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Speaker 4: can detect all of these issues, but our federal parliament
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Speaker 4: hasn't done that yet. That's where the onus needs to
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Speaker 4: be now. The government needs to, for all of the
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Speaker 4: money they're spending on AI and all of the departments
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Speaker 4: and bureaucrats that are there now, find a way to
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Speaker 4: go through these documents and put something in place that
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Speaker 4: if they do put in fake news, it's found.
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Speaker 2: Look, I'm a very big advocate for AI, as you know,
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Speaker 2: on this show, and I do, and I really think
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Speaker 2: that AI, we've got no choice. It's part of the
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Speaker 2: future now.
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Speaker 1: It's there.
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Speaker 2: It is what it is. And I do think that
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Speaker 2: it has a big role to play when it comes
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Speaker 2: to the research side of things. So if you are
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Speaker 2: putting together a parliamentary inquiry, I personally don't have an
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Speaker 2: issue if you are using AI to try and gather
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Speaker 2: some information. But then what needs to happen is there
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Speaker 2: needs to be personal responsibility that takes over. And that
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Speaker 2: personal responsibility means that you are fact checking. You are
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Speaker 2: going through all of the details because you can plug
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Speaker 2: something into AI, for example, and it kind of gives
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Speaker 2: you a very broad term of reference. So a couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks ago, I was looking, say, for instance, with
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Speaker 2: chapters in a book. And it gave me the completely
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Speaker 2: incorrect chapters that I was looking for. But I picked
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Speaker 2: it up and then I went and tried to reprompt
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Speaker 2: it to be like, no, I'm looking for this sort
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Speaker 2: of line in this around this area. Can you help me?
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Speaker 2: And eventually it got there. So, you know, tools like
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Speaker 2: ChatGPT work on your own prompts and the way that
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Speaker 2: you use it and your own style. So I don't
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Speaker 2: have an issue with it for researching purposes. I do
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Speaker 2: have an issue with it when we are solely relying
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Speaker 2: on it to form policy in this country when there
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Speaker 2: is so much misinformation. But you mentioned, you know, that
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Speaker 2: politicians should have some sort of a tool in federal parliament.
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Speaker 2: There's already one at university.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: Because if you're putting together your essays and your assignments,
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Speaker 2: it goes through an AI reader. I guess it is,
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Speaker 2: to try and find out if you have taken it
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Speaker 2: off GPT. So it's extraordinary that we've got a bunch
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Speaker 2: of bureaucrats in Canberra right now and not one of
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Speaker 2: them can figure out whether it's AI or not.
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Speaker 1: I suppose there'd be questions as well about how genuinely
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Speaker 1: reliable those AI detectors are too, because presumably they are
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Speaker 1: also working on AI. And I'd probably be mightily annoyed
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Speaker 1: if it said something that I'd actually written was AI generated.
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Speaker 2: But I think you know.
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Speaker 1: Well, you'd think so.
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Speaker 2: Because it uses a lot of hyphens.
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Speaker 1: I use em dashes. I love the em dash.
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Speaker 2: But in a different way. It's a very, the AI
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Speaker 2: ones are a very long, long one. if that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're saying.
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Speaker 2: It is different.
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Speaker 1: But I love the MDash and always have. So, you know,
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Speaker 1: you could probably accuse me of using AI. But I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't, I can tell you. Only to do calculations
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Speaker 1: or things sometimes because I'm not a mathematics man. But
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Speaker 1: this is part of the problem as well. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the fact that people are putting in these submissions, that
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Speaker 1: clearly they've not read over to check that the references
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Speaker 1: and whatever are legit. I mean, this is what I
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Speaker 1: really worry about with artificial intelligence is that it makes
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Speaker 1: us lazy and dumb. Yeah, it's like... Because it's like, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: I don't have to do the thinking. Machine does thinking
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Speaker 1: for me. I don't think that's good for humanity.
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Speaker 4: Well, and you've got a whole generation that's coming through
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Speaker 4: relying on AI. They're not being taught to be a
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Speaker 4: critical thinker. So what are we going to end up
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Speaker 4: with being churned out over the next five, ten years?
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Speaker 4: And if they don't have those sort of catches in
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Speaker 4: place to prevent this going through.
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Speaker 3: well, then Lord knows what's going to happen to our policies.
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess this is why the world is trying
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Speaker 2: to scramble right now to figure out how you regulate AI.
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Speaker 2: But I think that already it's run away with us.
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Speaker 4: Caleb Bond, this one is for you because I know
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Speaker 4: last night you defended a local council. So here's your
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Speaker 4: chance to redeem yourself. Because in Waverley Council, we have
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Speaker 4: a councillor there now.
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Speaker 3: Who has resigned from the Liberal.
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Speaker 4: Party because what she wanted was for a greater expanded
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Speaker 4: Australia Day event. So she was initially put forward $ 400, 000
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Speaker 4: on an Australia Day event, lamingtons.
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Speaker 3: Meat pies.
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Speaker 4: She had some weird drinking game that we can go
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Speaker 4: into later called Goon of Fortune. But no, council said no,
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Speaker 4: so she knocked it down to $ 20, 000. But even that
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Speaker 4: was far too much for a council and for Liberal
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Speaker 4: councillors to support expanding and celebrating Australia Day. So in
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Speaker 4: a letter that she sent to the Liberal Party, she says,
16:51
Speaker 4: The give-and-take seesaw between the conservative and the moderate faction
16:54
Speaker 4: is broken. I feel increasingly as though I cannot openly
16:57
Speaker 4: express conservative views or vote along conservative lines while still
17:01
Speaker 4: being loyal to a party that no longer shares them.
17:05
Speaker 4: Some of my Liberal colleagues today voted with Labor and
17:07
Speaker 4: the Greens against celebrating Australia Day, and Angus Taylor wanders away.
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Speaker 3: He's got a problem with the Liberal Party.
17:13
Speaker 4: I believe it reveals a fundamental difference of values that
17:16
Speaker 4: cannot be overcome.
17:18
Speaker 3: Now, here's the other clanger. You have an Indigenous Advisory Committee.
17:22
Speaker 4: Surprise, surprise, they opposed it. Now, my question is who
17:25
Speaker 4: elected them in the first place? What they've said is
17:27
Speaker 4: Australia Day is considered a day of mourning for Aboriginal
17:30
Speaker 4: people and committee members felt they were being asked to
17:33
Speaker 4: celebrate at the expense of history and the devastation that resulted.
17:38
Speaker 4: So the question here is what is happening, one, with
17:41
Speaker 4: our local councils that they're not supporting Australia Day and
17:44
Speaker 4: wanting us to be out there and be patriotic, but two,
17:47
Speaker 4: and more importantly, what is happening within the Liberal Party
17:50
Speaker 4: that you now have a Liberal councillor or a former
17:52
Speaker 4: Liberal councillor who says you're almost too embarrassed to say
17:56
Speaker 4: you're conservative and other Liberal councillors aren't backing her in, Danika?
18:00
Speaker 2: No, that's a really, really good point. And this plays
18:02
Speaker 2: into One Nation's hands, doesn't it? It does, exactly. We
18:06
Speaker 2: talk about this a lot, why voters are going to
18:08
Speaker 2: One Nation, why they're flocking, because you've got Liberals, a
18:11
Speaker 2: Liberal council, for example, or Liberals in general, who won't
18:14
Speaker 2: even back in our national day. And especially it's interesting
18:18
Speaker 2: at a time where there have been councils that have
18:20
Speaker 2: backflipped on previous decisions that they've had with Australia Day,
18:23
Speaker 2: like they are going ahead with their citizenship ceremonies today.
18:27
Speaker 2: on our national day and they want to do more.
18:29
Speaker 2: You've got Bondi, which Waverley includes Bondi. Bondi is one
18:34
Speaker 2: of the most well-known iconic places in Australia and it
18:38
Speaker 2: used to be home to when people used to do
18:40
Speaker 2: the Havianas, the paddle out with their Havianas. And that
18:44
Speaker 2: was back at a time when people loved Australia Day
18:46
Speaker 2: and celebrated it. And being a national monument, you want
18:50
Speaker 2: to see people out there on that day. And I
18:53
Speaker 2: thought her proposal was pretty straightforward. I mean, you touched
18:55
Speaker 2: on it. She went to Lamington's, meat pies, barbecues and
18:59
Speaker 2: drinking games, including Goon of Fortune. Now, that one I'm
19:01
Speaker 2: not sure about. One of Caleb's favourites on the weekend, though,
19:04
Speaker 2: I've heard. A Goon of Fortune moment.
19:06
Speaker 1: If anyone has ever seen me drink Goon... I'll give
19:10
Speaker 1: you $ 1, 000 reward.
19:11
Speaker 2: Not even when you were a teenager, Caleb. But I just...
19:16
Speaker 2: I agree with this councillor, and it is such a
19:20
Speaker 2: shame that her fellow council members, Caleb, didn't back her in.
19:23
Speaker 1: Well, there's a couple of issues here. One is the
19:28
Speaker 1: Australia Day event and the spending on it, right? So
19:31
Speaker 1: the council has budgeted that it would cost, in the
19:34
Speaker 1: ordinary course, all the bits and pieces. You know, they've
19:37
Speaker 1: budgeted out for... a few acts, you know, singers, DJs,
19:42
Speaker 1: having a bar, having food and all this stuff, right?
19:46
Speaker 1: The transport changes that would need to be made, road closures. buses,
19:50
Speaker 1: et cetera. In the ordinary course, they estimated that it'd
19:55
Speaker 1: be $ 285, 000. But the council administration then said on top
19:58
Speaker 1: of that, they couldn't run the event themselves because they
20:01
Speaker 1: had too many other things going on in December, January.
20:04
Speaker 1: So they'd have to get in some sort of event
20:06
Speaker 1: company to do it all, which would bring the total
20:09
Speaker 1: cost to $ 401, 000 to $ 430, 000. And that's sort of the
20:13
Speaker 1: justification that's been used. Oh, well, you know, it would
20:16
Speaker 1: be $ 430, 000. But I would say to that councils spend
20:19
Speaker 1: a lot of money on events all the time. Councils
20:22
Speaker 1: often spend a lot of money on Christmas carols and
20:25
Speaker 1: things like this. I mean, where I grew up in Adelaide,
20:28
Speaker 1: Tea Tree Gully Council, They have a massive carols event
20:32
Speaker 1: every year. They get 45,000 people into that thing, right?
20:36
Speaker 1: I'd hate to think what they're spending on that, but
20:40
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone has ever questioned what the cost
20:44
Speaker 1: of that event is because people go, well, isn't it great?
20:47
Speaker 1: It's Christmas and it's a good family event and it's
20:50
Speaker 1: Christmas carols and, you know, they get Guy Sebastian did
20:54
Speaker 1: it one year later.
20:54
Speaker 2: They're getting.
20:55
Speaker 1: you know, good talent in there, and they'd be paying
20:58
Speaker 1: for that. But no-one says, well, that council shouldn't be
21:00
Speaker 1: having the Christmas carols, because we go, that's a nice
21:02
Speaker 1: community event to celebrate a nice time of year. And
21:06
Speaker 1: so surely Australia Day... should be treated in the same manner.
21:10
Speaker 2: I agree.
21:11
Speaker 1: And 400 grand, sure, it's a lot of money, but
21:14
Speaker 1: it would be a big community event to celebrate a
21:17
Speaker 1: big day in the Australian community. And considering that the
21:21
Speaker 1: Waverley Council, in its latest budget, is spending a record
21:24
Speaker 1: $ 52. 9 million on infrastructure and posted a surplus of $ 23. 6 million,
21:27
Speaker 1: I reckon they could find 400 grand to have a
21:35
Speaker 1: big old bash down at Bondi, one of the most
21:38
Speaker 1: iconic locations in Australia, to celebrate Australia Day. That's one.
21:44
Speaker 1: But also, clearly from her letter, Ms Towson's letter, there
21:49
Speaker 1: are issues between the conservatives and the wets in the
21:53
Speaker 1: Liberal Party. And this is where it's sort of come
21:55
Speaker 1: to a head, the straw that broke the camel's back,
21:57
Speaker 1: I suppose. But really, you know, again, I often say
22:02
Speaker 1: it should be roads, rates and rubbish, if I can
22:06
Speaker 1: spit that one out. But I reckon with a surplus
22:09
Speaker 1: of $ 23- odd million, you could find $ 400, 000 for a big
22:13
Speaker 1: bash on Australia Day. You know, one wonders whether they
22:15
Speaker 1: just don't want to really go all gung-ho. They do
22:18
Speaker 1: stuff on Australia Day, but they don't want to go gung-ho.
22:20
Speaker 2: Why don't they want to go gung-ho? They're so worried.
22:23
Speaker 2: They're so worried that somebody's going to be offended. I mean, please,
22:26
Speaker 2: I would be so curious, especially after what happened out
22:30
Speaker 2: at Bondi in December last year, the Bondi terror attacks.
22:33
Speaker 2: Wouldn't this be a moment to bring back some joy
22:36
Speaker 2: and some love and laughter back to Bondi?
22:39
Speaker 3: But here's what's shocking.
22:40
Speaker 4: She said that some councillors told her they didn't think
22:43
Speaker 4: there should be any expenditure for Australia Day.
22:46
Speaker 3: Full stop. So that says everything, right?
22:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a shame to see it because, and
22:51
Speaker 2: we say it here on this channel, we say it
22:53
Speaker 2: here all the time, be proud of your country, be
22:54
Speaker 2: proud of who we are, sing the national anthem and
22:57
Speaker 2: wave that flag. So, yeah, it's a real shame to
23:01
Speaker 2: hear that. Now, look, forget cologne, forget flowers, forget ordinary
23:05
Speaker 2: ways to woo a woman and to date. Apparently the
23:09
Speaker 2: latest dating craze is called dating. pheromone maxing, where men
23:14
Speaker 2: stop showering, they stop using deodorant, and even in some
23:18
Speaker 2: extreme cases, drink their own urine in order to smell
23:22
Speaker 2: better for women, because apparently women are attracted to a
23:27
Speaker 2: man's natural scent. And I actually do believe that. I
23:30
Speaker 2: think that that is actually true. But The whole not
23:32
Speaker 2: showering and smelling of BO, that just takes it a
23:35
Speaker 2: little bit too far. Now, it's part of the looks
23:40
Speaker 2: smarting or the looks maxing phenomena, really, where people are
23:43
Speaker 2: taking outrageous ideas to the absolute extreme. So it includes
23:47
Speaker 2: bone smashing, smashing your face with a hammer, hard maxing,
23:52
Speaker 2: using drugs to alter your body. And pheromone maxes, on
23:55
Speaker 2: the other hand, believe that men who avoid showers and
23:57
Speaker 2: deodorant maximize their natural male musk, making themselves irresistible to ladies.
24:04
Speaker 2: That's what they're pitching.
24:06
Speaker 4: First off, I'm not stinky.
24:09
Speaker 1: I'm pheromone maxing.
24:11
Speaker 4: Sure, I may not bathe, but I have natural pheromones.
24:15
Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter.
24:19
Speaker 2: Now, my question is, does he have a girlfriend? That's
24:21
Speaker 2: what I'm absolutely dying to know. According to sexologist Lauren Muratori,
24:27
Speaker 2: she says don't do it. She says if you want
24:28
Speaker 2: to be attractive to the opposite sex, showering obviously helps.
24:35
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm no Rhodes Scholar, guys. I'm no Rhodes Scholar,
24:38
Speaker 2: but that would be what I would think as well.
24:42
Speaker 2: And it does worry me, this maxing. They're taking things
24:46
Speaker 2: to extremes. So I know a woman, for example, who
24:50
Speaker 2: has had Botox under her armpits to stop her from sweating.
24:53
Speaker 2: And in the end, sweating is part of natural beauty.
24:56
Speaker 1: You sweat. Did it work?
24:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, it worked because it blocks the glands, so it
25:01
Speaker 2: blocks the production.
25:02
Speaker 3: But if you're a profuse sweater, say, like, I don't know,
25:04
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew.
25:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, Andrew could do with it. People are going
25:12
Speaker 2: to Bali having their ribs removed in order to try
25:14
Speaker 2: and make their waist slimming. You've got this peptide craze
25:19
Speaker 2: sweeping Australia at the moment where people are... You know
25:22
Speaker 2: taking these pills to do all sorts of things to
25:24
Speaker 2: their bodies I just wonder what on earth is going
25:27
Speaker 2: on But I have to ask you first Caleb as
25:30
Speaker 2: the only man now I've never I mean you've never
25:33
Speaker 2: smelt to me and I've always sat in very close
25:35
Speaker 2: proximity to you every every evening So you look like
25:39
Speaker 2: a man that would wear deodorant But how would you
25:42
Speaker 2: feel about the prospect of not showering in order to
25:44
Speaker 2: you know, we're a woman.
25:46
Speaker 1: No Though, you know, in the control study of these
25:54
Speaker 1: three of us here, and I'm not a non-showerer, I
26:00
Speaker 1: do shower, and I don't have a girlfriend, so I'm
26:02
Speaker 1: not sure what that.
26:03
Speaker 2: Maybe you need to.
26:04
Speaker 1: Maybe I need to give this... Maybe I need to
26:06
Speaker 1: give this pheromone-maxing business a go and just, you know,
26:10
Speaker 1: not have a shower for a week and see how
26:12
Speaker 1: you get around. I mean, this is just proof, isn't it,
26:15
Speaker 1: that some people... are just not OK in the head. And,
26:19
Speaker 1: you know, if you're taking your cues from social media
26:22
Speaker 1: that the way to pick up chicks is to not
26:25
Speaker 1: have a shower, then I'm not sure there's anything we
26:28
Speaker 1: can do to help you. I mean, surely this is
26:30
Speaker 1: just self-evident stuff. Maybe there is some lunatic woman out
26:34
Speaker 1: there who wants to say that she does like a
26:36
Speaker 1: bloke who doesn't shower for a week, but I don't
26:39
Speaker 1: think there would be too many of them getting around.
26:41
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you know, I get that different people
26:44
Speaker 1: have different natural scents, but I don't think they're enhanced
26:49
Speaker 1: by bathing in your own sweat for days on end.
26:53
Speaker 2: What about drinking your own urine?
26:55
Speaker 1: And regardless, don't you just sort of start to feel dirty? Like,
26:58
Speaker 1: you know, you might, if you're having a really lazy
27:01
Speaker 1: weekend or something and you go, I'm not leaving the house,
27:04
Speaker 1: you might have, like, a day where you don't have
27:06
Speaker 1: a shower. You go, oh, it's the end of the day.
27:08
Speaker 1: I can't be bothered. I'll do it tomorrow. But by
27:10
Speaker 1: the time you get to the next day, you're kind
27:12
Speaker 1: of like, I need to have a shower. Like, you
27:15
Speaker 1: just feel grotty. How do these people do it?
27:18
Speaker 2: Well, apparently that's... I mean, look, I can understand about
27:23
Speaker 2: a male scent because I do think that that is
27:25
Speaker 2: attractive to a woman. I think it is, Lisa.
27:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also nicer if it's a Gucci or it's
27:30
Speaker 4: an Armani or, you know, let's put some money behind it.
27:33
Speaker 3: The only thing being stinky is earning you is a
27:36
Speaker 3: spare seat on the bus, right?
27:37
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, true.
27:39
Speaker 4: But I can tell you the one thing that, it
27:41
Speaker 4: might just be a balancing act here, between the stink
27:44
Speaker 4: of not washing or the 14-year-old teenage boy and every
27:47
Speaker 4: mother out there knows the smell.
27:49
Speaker 2: The spray.
27:49
Speaker 3: Lynx.
27:51
Speaker 4: The Lynx spray to try to overcome that, when they're
27:53
Speaker 4: not trying to be stinky but they are, that's a
27:57
Speaker 4: whole other.
27:58
Speaker 3: smell to contend with. They're certainly not picking up girls either.
28:00
Speaker 2: Well, I went to the gym at around lunchtime last
28:03
Speaker 2: week and it was testosterone central and I walked in
28:06
Speaker 2: and it just smelt like stinky men. And it just,
28:09
Speaker 2: it killed me. I was gagging. I was actually gagging
28:13
Speaker 2: at the smell of all these sweaty men.
28:15
Speaker 1: It was shocking.
28:16
Speaker 3: But if you could bottle it now, you could make
28:18
Speaker 3: a fortune.
28:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's it. There you go.
28:20
Speaker 1: There you go. Danika didn't like the look of the
28:22
Speaker 1: sweaty men, apparently. The smell of the sweaty men. The smell.
28:25
Speaker 2: I didn't say the look.
28:26
Speaker 1: The look was all right. Yeah, Janika was all in
28:28
Speaker 1: on the look. She just didn't like the stink of
28:30
Speaker 1: the sweat.
28:31
Speaker 2: That's right.
28:31
Speaker 1: You have to go in there and start spraying them
28:34
Speaker 1: and saying, you know, you'd be much more attractive if
28:36
Speaker 1: you didn't smell so much. But that's the point as well. Like,
28:38
Speaker 1: you can't... If you're reasonably active, there's no way you
28:42
Speaker 1: can be getting around like that.
28:44
Speaker 2: No.
28:44
Speaker 1: Like, oh, look, I don't understand it. If you reckon
28:48
Speaker 1: it works... If you're picking up chicks by not having
28:50
Speaker 1: a shower... Good luck to you. But as I say,
28:53
Speaker 1: having a shower isn't particularly working for me at the moment,
28:55
Speaker 1: but that's another... Oh, poor Caleb. Oh, yeah, poor me. Mate,
28:59
Speaker 1: we'll have to do a control experiment. We've got to
29:01
Speaker 1: find two single people and just get, like, a bloke
29:05
Speaker 1: who doesn't shower for a week and a bloke who
29:07
Speaker 1: does shower for a week and see who has more
29:09
Speaker 1: success picking up dates.
29:11
Speaker 3: Oh, good idea.
29:12
Speaker 4: There's 7-point-something million single people, adults, in this country, so
29:15
Speaker 4: there you go.
29:16
Speaker 2: Only if you're part of the experiment.
29:18
Speaker 1: It'd be a very interesting experiment. Speaking of things that stink,
29:22
Speaker 1: you might remember, of course, last year there was a
29:25
Speaker 1: little incident where the BBC played some stuff at Glastonbury
29:30
Speaker 1: of a bloke called Bob Villain. I mean, come on,
29:32
Speaker 1: you'd come up with an original name, mate. Anyway... He
29:35
Speaker 1: got up at Glastonbury last year and said death, death
29:37
Speaker 1: to the IDF. Death, death to the IDF. Death, death
29:41
Speaker 1: to the IDF. Death, death to the IDF. Death, death
29:44
Speaker 1: to the IDF. That's how you know that's the mark
29:49
Speaker 1: of a creative singer. Now we have a bloke by
29:52
Speaker 1: the name of Loyal Karner. Now he's been performing at
29:56
Speaker 1: the Reading Festival, which is one of the biggest music
29:58
Speaker 1: festivals in the UK. His real name, and this is,
30:03
Speaker 1: so he's a rapper, right? And, you know, rappers generally are.
30:08
Speaker 1: How would you describe them? A bit subversive, you know,
30:10
Speaker 1: they're sort of anti-cultural, they're counter-cultural, probably stinky. Normally the
30:17
Speaker 1: whole thing is that, you know, F you to the establishment, right?
30:20
Speaker 1: So this chap's real name is Benjamin Gerard Koilana. Coil
30:27
Speaker 1: Lana being a hyphenated surname. Now, if you could not
30:30
Speaker 1: find me a more middle-class British name than that, I
30:35
Speaker 1: would challenge you. He's even got the double-barrelled surname to
30:39
Speaker 1: go with it. But he's a rapper called Loyal Kana,
30:42
Speaker 1: and he, broadcast on the BBC from the Reading Festival,
30:46
Speaker 1: has rapped this. Think another man, f * * *
30:50
Speaker 1: ing Nigel Farage.
30:51
Speaker 2: A three-pattern, ah!
30:56
Speaker 1: Oh, and the crowd erupts. Seriously, if Nigel Farage and
31:02
Speaker 1: Free Palestine. I mean, it's hardly original. Old mate Mr
31:07
Speaker 1: Villain was doing it last year. He thought he'd get
31:10
Speaker 1: in on the act, I suppose. It's not the first
31:12
Speaker 1: time he's done it in 2019. He rocked up to
31:15
Speaker 1: Glastonbury wearing a shirt that said, I hate Boris, by
31:19
Speaker 1: which he meant to the then Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
31:22
Speaker 1: So he does have form on this. But part of
31:25
Speaker 1: the problem here is that after the death of the
31:28
Speaker 1: RDF thing, the BBC said that they would be much
31:31
Speaker 1: more careful about what they broadcast from music festivals to
31:35
Speaker 1: prevent things like that going to air again. And somehow
31:39
Speaker 1: that has failed in this process with the Reading Festival. Indeed,
31:43
Speaker 1: when they put it up post the event online to
31:46
Speaker 1: watch it on BBC iPlayer, they described the performance... as
31:50
Speaker 1: a poignant uplifting set from the twice Mercury nominated British rapper.
31:56
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just all low rent, isn't it? Seriously?
32:00
Speaker 3: And it's still up there now. They haven't pulled it down.
32:02
Speaker 4: It has all the hallmarks of an ABC in Australia,
32:05
Speaker 4: you know, putting it out there and not pulling it
32:06
Speaker 4: down when they know it's against editorial standards or it's
32:10
Speaker 4: of bad taste is a complete understatement.
32:13
Speaker 3: But, yeah, the BBC are just out there using.
32:15
Speaker 4: Themselves as a megaphone for all of this political grandstanding.
32:19
Speaker 4: for what was meant to be a music festival.
32:20
Speaker 3: It's disgusting.
32:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:22
Speaker 2: What ever happened to people going to music festivals just
32:24
Speaker 2: to enjoy the actual music, enjoy the artist, be part
32:28
Speaker 2: of the crowd? Now I feel like you can't take
32:31
Speaker 2: the stage without making some sort of political statement, which
32:34
Speaker 2: is such a shame because it's wrecked it. It's ruined
32:36
Speaker 2: every sector. It's not just the music industry. We've seen
32:38
Speaker 2: it here in Sydney with the arts industry, you know,
32:41
Speaker 2: this free Palestine nonsense. It's such a shame that no
32:44
Speaker 2: longer is it about the art or the creativity. It's
32:47
Speaker 2: got to be about political statements. But, I mean, you
32:49
Speaker 2: look at, I guess, the calibre of individual who would
32:51
Speaker 2: go to a music festival, they're probably all the Free Palestine,
32:55
Speaker 2: the keffiyeh-wearing hippies, the Greta Thunbergs of the world, essentially.
33:01
Speaker 2: But as for the BBC, rotten to its core, absolutely
33:04
Speaker 2: rotten to its core, and it's just been so infested
33:07
Speaker 2: so much, and it is a blight on the British
33:10
Speaker 2: taxpayer that they have to fork out so much money to...
33:12
Speaker 2: year on year to pay for this, and you're right, Lisa,
33:14
Speaker 2: it's like here on the ABC. The bias is just astonishing.
33:18
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose now, and one wonders whether it would
33:21
Speaker 1: receive the same treatment, because you know what, you can say,
33:24
Speaker 1: if Nigel Farage and Free Palestine, it's your right to
33:26
Speaker 1: do so, but I'm now waiting for someone to get
33:29
Speaker 1: up on the stage and say, if Andy Burnham, go Israel,
33:34
Speaker 1: and see how that is taken by the crowd at
33:37
Speaker 1: the festival and treated by the BBC. Just somehow... I suspect,
33:42
Speaker 1: I'm all on board with the free speech, but somehow
33:44
Speaker 1: I suspect that would be treated differently.
33:46
Speaker 2: Agreed. Lisa, you've got a story about sick kids tonight.
33:51
Speaker 4: I do have a story about sick kids tonight and
33:53
Speaker 4: it's a question of, and look, it's a terrible dilemma
33:55
Speaker 4: to have. If you've got a child that is critically
33:58
Speaker 4: ill in hospital and you have to balance that between
34:01
Speaker 4: going to work and keeping money coming in and being.
34:04
Speaker 3: At the bedside of your child, what do you do?
34:06
Speaker 4: So the UK now is suggesting that there should be
34:08
Speaker 4: 12 weeks of paid leave, which sounds great from the heart.
34:13
Speaker 3: I understand that.
34:14
Speaker 4: As a business owner, the question is who's paying for this?
34:17
Speaker 4: Because is it going to be a cost to the
34:19
Speaker 4: taxpayer or is it going to be a cost to
34:21
Speaker 4: the employer, who at the end of the day has
34:23
Speaker 4: to pick up the tab for mum and dad to
34:26
Speaker 4: be at the hospital?
34:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is the problem. I too am very
34:29
Speaker 2: sympathetic to sick children. I mean, the most vulnerable that
34:33
Speaker 2: they should never be put in these sorts of positions
34:36
Speaker 2: where mum and dad, they have to go to work
34:38
Speaker 2: or they can't afford even to look after their own children.
34:40
Speaker 2: I just think it would be heartbreaking. My concern obviously
34:43
Speaker 2: is what does this mean to an already expanding welfare bill?
34:48
Speaker 2: I did an interview actually this morning on my podcast
34:50
Speaker 2: and the UK guest was telling me that the UK
34:54
Speaker 2: is in trillions and trillions of dollars of debt as
34:56
Speaker 2: it is and I just don't know how you could
34:59
Speaker 2: possibly afford to add any more money into it. The
35:03
Speaker 2: other issue is then what happens, does it turn into
35:06
Speaker 2: an NDIS style where it's not means tested and suddenly
35:10
Speaker 2: that there are people on the scheme of this scale
35:14
Speaker 2: and they're rorting it. I think there are a lot
35:17
Speaker 2: of loopholes that would need to be looked at.
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Speaker 1: Well, and, of course, you mentioned your podcast, Danika Goes Global.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Which you can find on the News 24 YouTube. I
35:25
Speaker 1: highly recommend you go and watch it.
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Speaker 3: Oh, thanks, Caleb.
35:27
Speaker 1: Particularly when I'm on it. And I'm glad you clarified
35:31
Speaker 1: that you are sympathetic to sick children, because I was really...
35:34
Speaker 1: worried that you were unsympathetic to sick children, Danika.
35:37
Speaker 2: But.
35:37
Speaker 1: Why would you think that? It was a joke.
35:39
Speaker 3: But.
35:39
Speaker 1: But... Again, I 100% sympathise with parents who find themselves
35:45
Speaker 1: in this situation. You've got to earn a dollar, and
35:48
Speaker 1: it's really hard if you've got a kid who's got
35:49
Speaker 1: cancer or whatever, and you've got to be by their
35:51
Speaker 1: side all the time. But I feel like too often
35:54
Speaker 1: we are reliant on the taxpayer or we expect the taxpayer...
35:58
Speaker 1: To pick up the bill, I think as a society,
36:01
Speaker 1: we should be far more open ourselves to charity and
36:05
Speaker 1: doing something ourselves to help other people instead of expecting
36:09
Speaker 1: the government to always step in and do it for us.
36:12
Speaker 1: A community should be able to rally behind people like
36:15
Speaker 1: that and help them out. without the intervention of government. Yeah, absolutely.
36:19
Speaker 2: I think that's a real fair point. All right, we're
36:21
Speaker 2: going to take a quick break. Coming up next, a
36:23
Speaker 2: Queenslander found alive in the debris six days after those
36:27
Speaker 2: devastating floods in Nepal. That's next on The Front Pages.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Caleb. A miracle in the flood situation over
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Speaker 2: in Nepal.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, on the front of the Courier Mail tomorrow, at
36:45
Speaker 1: least a bit of good news finally. Miracle, it says,
36:48
Speaker 1: Queenslander found alive. A Queenslander has been found alive six
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Speaker 1: days after devastating floods ripped through Nepal, flattening everything and
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Speaker 1: taking countless lives. Miracle's survivor was found in Tibet and
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Speaker 1: has spoken with their loved ones among the still-missing 42 Aussies.
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Speaker 1: 25 people from New South Wales, 10 from Queensland, 5
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Speaker 1: from Victoria. one from South Australia and one from Western Australia.
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Speaker 1: And the Foreign Minister, Penny Wong, said she was incredibly
37:14
Speaker 1: thankful that a second Australian had been found. And it
37:18
Speaker 1: kind of gives you hope, I suppose, that there are
37:21
Speaker 1: more who are still alive because, of course, we're days
37:25
Speaker 1: on from all of this now. And, you know, your
37:28
Speaker 1: hope would be waning with every passing day. But if
37:32
Speaker 1: we know that there is at least one who's been
37:35
Speaker 1: found alive today, you'd have your fingers crossed for more.
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Speaker 3: It's always holding out for that miracle, isn't it?
37:40
Speaker 4: But there's still 4,400 people missing and that number continues
37:44
Speaker 4: to rise. So the longer it goes on, the less
37:46
Speaker 4: hope we've got. But you have to hope for that miracle.
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Speaker 1: And the extraordinary strength, I must say, of someone to
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Speaker 1: get through that ordeal and still be alive after all
37:54
Speaker 1: of that, that is a strong person.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:57
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully we'll hear more of those stories. The Daily
37:59
Speaker 4: Telegraph has a front page exclusive. You'll love this one,
38:02
Speaker 4: you two. Exclusive by Jake McCallum. Sun, sand and squander.
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Speaker 4: Our favourite, Chris Bowen. Chris Bowen has spent more than
38:09
Speaker 4: $ 6 million on ritzy hotel accommodation around the world in
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Speaker 4: just a few months, including two bookings of $ 2 million
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Speaker 4: each for his pre-COP31 meetings in Fiji, which we know
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Speaker 4: apparently no one's really going to. And the hotels are
38:24
Speaker 4: including stunning waterfront resorts in Nadi.
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Speaker 3: So there we go, living it up for the climate dollar.
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Speaker 2: Well, not bad if you can get it. Not bad
38:31
Speaker 2: if you could be on the taxpayer's dime. They're swanning
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Speaker 2: about in Nadi in Fiji. To the tune of $ 6 million.
38:37
Speaker 2: To do what? What is it, Chris, that you're doing?
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Speaker 1: How do you have... to $ 2 million trips. What the
38:45
Speaker 1: hell are you doing on these trips?
38:46
Speaker 4: Well, he's got all these empty rooms because nobody's going
38:48
Speaker 4: to fill them all, so, you know.
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Speaker 3: Just extraordinary.
38:51
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we were talking before about Waverley
38:54
Speaker 1: Council quibbling over $ 400, 000 to have an Australia Day event, and, yes,
38:57
Speaker 1: I get that the federal budget is substantially larger than
39:00
Speaker 1: that of Waverley Council, but imagine if they had a
39:03
Speaker 1: whip round in Chris Bowen's office... they could put on
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Speaker 1: Australia Day events in every council all over the country
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Speaker 1: with no travel at all. If you can spend $ 6
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Speaker 1: million on a few months on holidays and... Well, not holidays, but,
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Speaker 1: you know, hotels and travel, et cetera. That is just
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Speaker 1: an extraordinary number. And what are we getting for it?
39:22
Speaker 1: We didn't even get COP.
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Speaker 2: We didn't even get COP. That's all right, Caleb. We've got,
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Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of green climate change activists telling
39:29
Speaker 2: us how to think and what to think. Isn't that enough?
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Speaker 3: Oh, yes.
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Speaker 1: And we've got increased emissions.
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Speaker 2: And burning the jet fuel.
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Speaker 3: Jetting across there.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Let's take a look now at the
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Speaker 2: Australian exclusive there. Read the briefings. Alan's cabinet was told
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Speaker 2: of secret $ 8 billion tax cuts Victorian Labor's secret $ 8
39:46
Speaker 2: billion rail levy was put before the full Cabinet more
39:49
Speaker 2: than two years ago, intensifying pressure on Premier Ben Carroll
39:53
Speaker 2: and his deputy, Gabrielle Williams, over what they knew about
39:56
Speaker 2: the charge and when. Senior Labor figures close to former
40:00
Speaker 2: Premier Jacinta Allen have laid the blame on Ms Williams
40:03
Speaker 2: for keeping the levy secret, claims strongly denied by sources
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Speaker 2: close to the Deputy Premier and Mr Carroll. It goes
40:11
Speaker 2: on to say the Australian can reveal details of the
40:13
Speaker 2: rail improvement charge were contained in a briefing pack for
40:16
Speaker 2: a June 2024 Cabinet meeting in minutes recording a December
40:20
Speaker 2: 2023 meeting of the Government's Budget and Finance Committee of Cabinet. Look,
40:25
Speaker 2: it gets worse and worse, doesn't it? It is secrets.
40:29
Speaker 2: It is who knew what. And also the other thing
40:32
Speaker 2: is I love that everyone's now trying to blame one another.
40:35
Speaker 2: They're also trying to blame Jacinta Allen. Nobody's owning up
40:38
Speaker 2: to it. You know, get a grip.
40:40
Speaker 4: Well, Ben Carroll, for all of his integrity talk, he's
40:43
Speaker 4: certainly trying to back away from this one faster than
40:45
Speaker 4: you could avoid a pothole in Melbourne, isn't he?
40:47
Speaker 2: He needs some of your crisis communications, I think, Lisa.
40:50
Speaker 3: I think I'd run a mile from that one as well.
40:52
Speaker 1: I'm sure I heard Mr Carroll on Radio 3AW the
40:56
Speaker 1: other day saying, you know, this never went to the
40:59
Speaker 1: full Cabinet. You know, we weren't aware of it. And
41:02
Speaker 1: there's a government spokesperson... I hate spokesperson because it's either
41:07
Speaker 1: a spokesman or a spokeswoman. Anyway, it says he spoke...
41:10
Speaker 1: Probably a collective. Well, probably a day at the end
41:12
Speaker 1: or something. Oh, my gosh, what do we do? But
41:14
Speaker 1: it says a spokesperson said, the rail improvement change was
41:17
Speaker 1: not transparent and we will abolish it. But how is
41:21
Speaker 1: it not transparent if it was there in the budget
41:24
Speaker 1: briefing papers? And, indeed, one Labor source says, everyone in
41:27
Speaker 1: Cabinet should have known about the charge. If people didn't
41:30
Speaker 1: read their Cabinet briefing packs, that's on them.
41:32
Speaker 2: Oh. It's always somebody else's fault.
41:35
Speaker 1: But if it was there, if it was written in
41:36
Speaker 1: the documents, how can they possibly claim that it wasn't
41:40
Speaker 1: taken to Cabinet? Because it would seem very much as
41:43
Speaker 1: though it was.
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Speaker 3: And he was there the entire way through.
41:45
Speaker 2: Exactly.
41:45
Speaker 3: So he cannot stand there now and say, hey, hey,
41:47
Speaker 3: I knew nothing.
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Speaker 1: Honestly. On the front of the Herald Sun tomorrow, while
41:51
Speaker 1: we're talking about what's going on in Victoria, exclusive here
41:54
Speaker 1: from Shannon Deary, top cop issues, extraordinary edict. Do frontline
41:58
Speaker 1: police's workload pressures mount amid statewide cell overcrowding crisis? Don't
42:03
Speaker 1: go soft on bail, is the headline. Victoria Police's top
42:06
Speaker 1: brass have been forced to issue a warning to frontline
42:09
Speaker 1: cops to ignore a mounting overcrowding crisis when making bail decisions.
42:14
Speaker 1: Chief Commissioner Mark Bush this week wrote to staff warning
42:17
Speaker 1: of significant workload pressures with custody capacity in station cells
42:21
Speaker 1: under strain across the state. Police have routinely been taken
42:25
Speaker 1: off the beat to monitor offenders being held in custody. Seriously.
42:32
Speaker 1: Another day in Victoria. Every night we have one of
42:37
Speaker 1: these stories. I kind of don't know what to say
42:39
Speaker 1: about them anymore that I haven't already said before, because
42:42
Speaker 1: it's just another day in Victoria.
42:45
Speaker 2: So now it's overcrowding. Just add that one into the
42:48
Speaker 2: bail decision. So if it's not Weak magistrates making weak decisions. Well,
42:52
Speaker 2: now it's overcrowding. So, you know, just be very careful
42:55
Speaker 2: when you go out to a job police, you know,
42:57
Speaker 2: and weigh up whether or not you can charge this person.
42:59
Speaker 2: I mean, I despair for Victoria.
43:02
Speaker 4: I was told about a month, two months ago that
43:04
Speaker 4: if the number of Victorian police officers who were putting
43:07
Speaker 4: their hand up to run for One Nation were all pre-selected,
43:11
Speaker 4: it would gut the police service.
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Speaker 3: And when you see stories like this, you understand why.
43:16
Speaker 4: Because they would be incredibly frustrated at not being able
43:19
Speaker 4: to just do their job and have the system support them. So,
43:23
Speaker 4: the advertiser front page. This one's an interesting one in
43:26
Speaker 4: relation to an old cold case. Secret serial killer Fury.
43:31
Speaker 4: Loved ones of the young men slain in the family
43:33
Speaker 4: murders have launched a petition calling for public support to
43:37
Speaker 4: lift the long-standing... Long-standing secrecy of the notorious unsolved crimes. Basically,
43:43
Speaker 4: they're putting together a social media campaign. The family members
43:45
Speaker 4: of Alan Barnes and Mark Langley and the best friend
43:49
Speaker 4: of Richard Kelvin have launched a joint social media effort
43:51
Speaker 4: to revoke orders protecting unnamed suspects in all of the cases. Now,
43:56
Speaker 4: some of these orders have gone back over.
43:59
Speaker 3: will last for 80 years.
44:01
Speaker 4: So, no doubt we'll see this play out across social
44:03
Speaker 4: media and it'll be interesting to see how many people
44:05
Speaker 4: back this in.
44:06
Speaker 1: Well, indeed, because the family murders were a big thing
44:09
Speaker 1: in Adelaide, a network essentially of gay men who were
44:15
Speaker 1: abducting and then sexually abusing children and then murdering them.
44:22
Speaker 1: And there are only a few of them that they
44:25
Speaker 1: actually caught. And one of those cases... was Rob Kelvin,
44:29
Speaker 1: who was, sorry, Richard Kelvin, the son of Rob Kelvin,
44:33
Speaker 1: who was a newsreader in Adelaide. It was a huge
44:36
Speaker 1: story at the time, but there are many, many people
44:38
Speaker 1: who are believed to be members of the family that
44:41
Speaker 1: have never been proved, and there would be a lot
44:43
Speaker 1: of curiosity about it.
44:45
Speaker 3: And some of them have died. They're already gone. So
44:48
Speaker 3: for the ones that are left, they want them outed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. A quick look now at the Northern Territory news.
44:53
Speaker 2: Wheel of Fortune is the headline. Gas has been unleashed
44:56
Speaker 2: from the Beedaloo Basin to power the Northern Territory for
44:58
Speaker 2: the first time, with Chief Minister Leah Finocchiaro and Federal
45:01
Speaker 2: Resources Minister Madeleine King turning the wheel at Tamboran Resources.
45:06
Speaker 2: Shenandoah south to site, marking the start of a new
45:11
Speaker 2: golden era for energy. Well, bring it on, I say.
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Speaker 3: Good news, good news.
45:15
Speaker 2: Good news. And I love how, as well, Labor has
45:16
Speaker 2: spent the past couple of years demonising gas, especially Chris Bowen.
45:20
Speaker 2: But suddenly now Chris is all over gas. He realises, oh,
45:23
Speaker 2: we're up... up, well, I was going to say, I
45:28
Speaker 2: swear word, but I'm going to not say that, without
45:30
Speaker 2: a paddle, basically. So we're buggered.
45:32
Speaker 1: Look, reality does bite sometimes, you know.
45:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, it absolutely does.
45:35
Speaker 3: AI centres.
45:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. All right, we'll take a quick break.
45:38
Speaker 2: Coming up next, will the real Zoran Mamdani please stand up?
45:42
Speaker 2: Can you spot the difference? Who is the real Mamdani
45:45
Speaker 2: or not at a competition over in New York City?
45:49
Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back. Well, did you know that there
45:55
Speaker 2: is a Zoran Mamdani lookalike contest in New York City?
45:59
Speaker 2: I'm sure that the fake Mamdani is better than the
46:01
Speaker 2: real Mamdani. But have a look at some of these entrants.
46:05
Speaker 2: So there was this one here wearing an apron. I mean,
46:08
Speaker 2: good grief, I don't know how he thought. That was
46:10
Speaker 2: Mamdani rapping, by the way. That's one of his rap videos.
46:13
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if the guy on the left... Rapping? Yeah,
46:15
Speaker 2: he used to be a rapper. Did you know that?
46:16
Speaker 2: He had a resume as long as his arm.
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Speaker 1: Well, with the.
46:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a wrapping video. I would have thought
46:24
Speaker 1: he was wrapping up fish and chips, but anyway.
46:26
Speaker 2: No, no, that was his wrapping video. I remember seeing it.
46:28
Speaker 2: And then the second one in the brown suit here. Nah,
46:32
Speaker 2: he looks a bit too Hollywood, I think. Nah, he
46:35
Speaker 2: doesn't quite look like him. But this was the winner.
46:37
Speaker 2: This is Amadeo Fushka, his name is. Again, I don't
46:41
Speaker 2: really think he necessarily looks like him.
46:43
Speaker 1: No.
46:44
Speaker 2: But he's taken out $ 100 in front of around 200
46:46
Speaker 2: cheering young people. And this guy is a comedian and
46:49
Speaker 2: actor who has already racked up millions of views posting
46:52
Speaker 2: skits impersonating Mamdani. So if you go, if you're looking
46:56
Speaker 2: for a quick buck and you look like somebody famous,
46:59
Speaker 2: this is the way to do it.
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Speaker 4: You'd want to hope Mamdani, you know, starts doing a
47:03
Speaker 4: bit of a better job in New York because otherwise
47:04
Speaker 4: I would say that.
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Speaker 3: Man is at great risk of being attacked.
47:08
Speaker 1: I'd want more than $ 100 to be mistaken for Zoran
47:11
Speaker 1: Mamdani myself. That's right. Anyway, some people do anything for
47:14
Speaker 1: a dollar, won't they? Speaking of a dollar, I reckon
47:18
Speaker 1: this bloke should go and take a dollar, maybe a
47:20
Speaker 1: little more than that, and buy himself a lotto ticket.
47:23
Speaker 1: Have a look at this. This car spins out of
47:25
Speaker 1: control in Padstow in Sydney. And wait until we get
47:28
Speaker 1: the close-up. See that bloke standing there? And the car
47:32
Speaker 1: nearly gets him. That man, if he has not gone
47:37
Speaker 1: and bought himself a lotto ticket, seriously. He would be...
47:41
Speaker 1: And the car spinning out of control is bad enough.
47:45
Speaker 1: But imagine that could have been so much worse. I
47:47
Speaker 1: reckon we should probably crowdfund him to get him a
47:49
Speaker 1: new pair of trousers after that incident. But he must
47:53
Speaker 1: be one of the luckiest people in Australia today.
47:56
Speaker 4: I tell you what, the driver's pretty lucky too, that
47:57
Speaker 4: that whole petrol station just didn't go.
47:59
Speaker 1: Oh, bang.
48:00
Speaker 2: No, I know.
48:01
Speaker 3: All very, very lucky.
48:03
Speaker 4: Speaking of not so lucky, though, the driver in this
48:06
Speaker 4: next one, he managed to... I don't know how many
48:08
Speaker 4: times you've driven through a construction zone and had the guys.
48:10
Speaker 3: Going, slow down, slow down, slow down. Well, clearly, this.
48:13
Speaker 4: Stop-go man has had an absolute gutful of people speeding
48:17
Speaker 4: through or pushing on through.
48:18
Speaker 3: And this is what he did.
48:19
Speaker 4: He picked up his sign and he went straight after
48:21
Speaker 4: that car. The driving didn't come off too well. The
48:23
Speaker 4: windscreen was smashed. But I tell you what, kudos to
48:27
Speaker 4: the stop-go man. He went off and he picked up
48:29
Speaker 4: his sign and he just continued his day.
48:31
Speaker 1: But.
48:31
Speaker 4: That must have been festering for a very long time,
48:34
Speaker 4: I would suggest.
48:34
Speaker 2: Can you imagine how many do that? They're so rude.
48:37
Speaker 2: A lot of people are so impatient. I don't blame
48:40
Speaker 2: him for absolutely snapping.
48:41
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. I hope they didn't make him pay
48:44
Speaker 1: for the damage to the car. I would say, you know,
48:47
Speaker 1: it's your fault. If you're driving through the roadworks like
48:52
Speaker 1: a maniac, then you deserve to have your windscreen smashed in.
48:55
Speaker 2: I agree.
48:56
Speaker 1: I had one the other day. A bloke drove right
48:57
Speaker 1: over the zebra crossing. I'm standing on the zebra crossing
49:01
Speaker 1: and he drives over the zebra crossing. I did swing
49:03
Speaker 1: my groceries but I wasn't able to hit his car. But, like,
49:06
Speaker 1: just open your eyes, people. Seriously.
49:09
Speaker 2: Impatience.
49:10
Speaker 1: Be a bit more considerate of others. Yeah, exactly. In general,
49:13
Speaker 1: I think, is probably a good thing.
49:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just a lot of impatient people
49:16
Speaker 2: on the road. That's part of the battle. Well, it's
49:19
Speaker 2: been a pleasure, Cale. Lisa, thank you very much for tonight.
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Speaker 2: Thank you to you at home. Stay with us. The
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Speaker 2: Rita Panahy Show is next. Good night.