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Young college sophomore found purple, DEAD, after 'HAZING' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a sophomore, a
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Speaker 1: young sophomore at Bowling Green State University end up dead
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Speaker 1: along with so many other youngsters dead at college and
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Speaker 1: university all across our country. He's just the latest. Why
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Speaker 1: and why can't it stop? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace?
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Speaker 1: You think it's not real? Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: What kind of name? Well one, what is your emergency? Hi? Um,
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Speaker 1: someone that we know is not responsive and he drink alcohol,
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Speaker 1: like a lot of alcohol. So where is he at? Well?
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Speaker 1: Where how old is your friend? Uh? He's twenty twenty okay,
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Speaker 1: and what's he doing right now? Um? He's laying down
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Speaker 1: on his side, and his ears are his face is
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Speaker 1: really purple, and he's his people aren't responsive. Okay, is
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Speaker 1: he breathing? And yeah, he's breathing, but it's really shallow.
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Speaker 1: And he's been drinking, he said, yeah, okay, is he
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Speaker 1: taking anything else we need to know about? No? What's
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Speaker 1: your name? Okay, Stanley Pata? Okay are you positive he's breathing? Um? Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm pusually his chest rising up and down. No, don't
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Speaker 1: right now? Okay he's blue? Yeah, okay, then he there's
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Speaker 1: a good chance. He's not breathing. I want you to
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Speaker 1: get down. Is he on the floor? Oh yeah he is?
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Speaker 1: Okay do you see his chest rising at all? He said?
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Speaker 1: Does he see his chess rising rising? Okay? Do you
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Speaker 1: know how to do CPR? Do you want me to
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Speaker 1: walk you through it? We don't see me. Oh wait,
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Speaker 1: is there somebody out there that can do CPR? So
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Speaker 1: I can walk you guy? You through it? Think about it.
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Speaker 1: If this is your child that's literally turning purple, take
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Speaker 1: a listen more that I'm on one call. Oh my god, okay, listen.
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Speaker 1: Can you need to help your friend calm down? Okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: okay you can. He's just going up and down. You
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Speaker 1: do see it going up and down? Do you see?
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Speaker 1: Oh my god? Oh my god? Is it right? No,
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Speaker 1: put your own outes on the phone right now. That
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Speaker 1: will help him. Excuse me, ma'am. Okay, his face is
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Speaker 1: very purple. Okay, let's now, okay, okay, come THROUGHPR, Come
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Speaker 1: one into in CPR. Right, Yes, they're crying. Yes, sorry,
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Speaker 1: I listen, listen, I'm gonna help you. Do they know
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Speaker 1: how to do CPR? The person in CPR. It just
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Speaker 1: hurts me to hear it. This is just one example
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Speaker 1: of so many joining me literally an all star panel. First,
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Speaker 1: I want to introduce to you a very special guest,
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Speaker 1: GYM Piazza, the father of Timothy Piazza, one of the
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Speaker 1: first victims to bring our attention to this national epidemic
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Speaker 1: claiming the lives of teens every day at colleges and universities.
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Speaker 1: He is an anti hazing activist, founding member of the
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Speaker 1: anti hazing coalition Parent United to Stop Hazing, That's PUSH
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Speaker 1: and you can find out more about him at Live
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Speaker 1: like tim dot org. And although I know that nine
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Speaker 1: on one call is not about Timothy, his son, I
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Speaker 1: know it's got to hurt him so deeply, but he
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Speaker 1: is here to help bring about change. Also with me.
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Speaker 1: Rex Elliott Folts family lawyer at Cooper and Elliott, co
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Speaker 1: founder owner Cooper Elliott dot com, Twitter at Cooper Elliott,
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Speaker 1: and he's directing us to the Stone Faults go fund me.
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Speaker 1: You can search it at the Stone Faults Memorial Fund
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Speaker 1: to doctor Susan Lipkin's psychologists, hazing expert, author of preventing hazing,
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Speaker 1: and you can find her at a website inside Herman
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Speaker 1: former Special Victim Unit detective at West Valley CITYPD, author
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Speaker 1: of I was Raw Investigator battlecry for change within the
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Speaker 1: Special Victims Unit. You can find him at Justin Boardman
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Speaker 1: dot com on Twitter at at Boardman Underscore train doctor
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Speaker 1: Priya Banerjee Board Certified Forensic Pathologist Anchor Forensic Pathology dot
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Speaker 1: com assistant Emmy Medical Examiner. I know you are doing
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Speaker 1: a bat flip doctor when you are hearing the girls
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Speaker 1: saying he's purple and doing nothing. Jay McGuire Parents and
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Speaker 1: Alumni for Student Safety. That's past founder and you can
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Speaker 1: find him at endhazing dot org or on Facebook, Parents
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Speaker 1: and Alumni for Student Safety. But first to Amy Steigerwald,
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Speaker 1: reporter WTOL eleven Bowling Green Grad and you can find
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Speaker 1: her on insta atta at Amy Steigerwald, on Facebook at
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Speaker 1: Amy Steigerwald TV. Amy, I want you to listen to
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Speaker 1: more of that nine one one call. Who'd doing CPR?
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Speaker 1: He's doing? Okay, Jo, I'm speakerphone and let me tell
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Speaker 1: October do you know how to do CPR? Do you
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Speaker 1: need to? Roughly? I was in boy Scout soool on
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Speaker 1: time ago. Okay, did you make sure he has nothing
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Speaker 1: in his mouth that's causing him not to breatheth Okay,
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Speaker 1: did you till his head back and everything and make sure? Yeah? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Did you start CPR? Yeah? Okay. You have the heel
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Speaker 1: of one hand in the center of his breastbone and
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Speaker 1: between nipples, and you're pushing down hard yep, okay, let's
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Speaker 1: count ready one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty,
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Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, twenty five,
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Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine thirty. Do
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Speaker 1: you feel comfortable giving him two breaths? Or do you
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Speaker 1: want to keep in the comparsion? That nine one call
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Speaker 1: goes on and on. You hear women screaming in the background.
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Speaker 1: Before I go to Amy's Tigerwald to Jim Piazza, the
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Speaker 1: father of Timothy Piazza. Timothy died during a similar hazing stunt. Jim,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Yeah, you're welcome, Jim.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's real to a lot of people,
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Speaker 1: and that's why, as I did so often in opening statements,
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Speaker 1: play the nine one one call to start with, it's real.
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Speaker 1: These are teens dying. You work your whole life, all
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Speaker 1: your money, all your love, all your energy, your hopes,
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Speaker 1: your dreams are poured into your children for this to happen.
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Speaker 1: When you heard that nine one one call, what went
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Speaker 1: through your mind? Nancy? I'm shaking from that call right now.
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Speaker 1: I pictured my son on the other end of that.
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Speaker 1: I know that call wasn't about him, but this is
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Speaker 1: very real and it happens far more than we know about.
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Speaker 1: Gim Piazza, father of Timothy Piazza. All I could think
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Speaker 1: about or my children and being in this situation. Literally,
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Speaker 1: your child is dying and you have nothing around them
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Speaker 1: but a bunch of other teens like themselves, most of
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Speaker 1: them drunk or high, doing nothing as your child is
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Speaker 1: lying there dying. To Amy Steigerwall wto L eleven, what
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Speaker 1: happened in this case? We're talking about a sophomore there
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Speaker 1: at Bowling green Stone Fault. What happened? Amy, Yeah, So
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Speaker 1: the details surrounding this case have been pretty dicey from
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Speaker 1: what we've been able to find out on the record.
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Speaker 1: Police have been pretty silent based off what we have
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Speaker 1: I talked to them this morning to have absolutely no
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Speaker 1: details regarding charges regarding any information about how many people
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Speaker 1: they are interviewing. From what I know on the I
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Speaker 1: am a Bowling Green University grad, and where he was
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Speaker 1: supposedly sound is not where the party would have happened.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. What we're learning right now
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Speaker 1: the lake cham because I was a sophomore Bowling Green
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Speaker 1: State University in an alleged hazing incident involving alcohol, in
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Speaker 1: other words, downing forty shots. Forty shots at the pie
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Speaker 1: Kappa Alpha fraternity, the deltabated chapter and a pledge hazing ritual.
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Speaker 1: I know that stone Folds just turned twenty, was a
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Speaker 1: business major, and before he went to the party that night,
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Speaker 1: he told his roommate he would be forced to quote
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Speaker 1: drink a handle. What is a handle is forty shots
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Speaker 1: over twice the size of a fifth of a gallon.
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Speaker 1: That's fifty nine point two fluid alcohol altus of any
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Speaker 1: alcohol the Big gives them. The Big would be the
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Speaker 1: big brother, and they had to finish the whole thing
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Speaker 1: before they left. I want to go straight out to
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Speaker 1: our friend, doctor Pria Banerjee, Assistant Medical Examiner, Board certified
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Speaker 1: forensic pathologist. Forty shots twice the size of a fifth
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Speaker 1: of a gallon that could kill anybody. Absolutely. I just
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Speaker 1: wanted to interject as a mom myself, you know everything
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Speaker 1: you said as a parent, My heart just breaks. This
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Speaker 1: is an otherwise completely healthy young man and budding career,
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Speaker 1: studying hard, and then this one incidents. We see this
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Speaker 1: it's alcohol intoxication, I mean, as young, healthy person. And
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Speaker 1: the backstory, I mean it's insane. You are so right,
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Speaker 1: and imagine what the parents are going through. Our cut
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Speaker 1: eight this is will Reave ABC. Stone's parents say they
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Speaker 1: got a phone call around midnight. He was found not breathing.
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Speaker 1: They had to revive him and he is on a
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Speaker 1: ventilator keeping him alive. So we spent two hours driving
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Speaker 1: to his school, holding my wife's hand, praying in my
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Speaker 1: mind that Stone was going to be okay. No parents
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Speaker 1: should have to set in their car wondering if their
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Speaker 1: son's going to be okay. The roommate of a pie
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Speaker 1: Kappa Alpha pledge telling a local station that pledges were
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Speaker 1: told to drink a handle of alcohol and finish it
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Speaker 1: before they could leave. A handle contains around forty shots.
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Speaker 1: After four days four nights in the hospital, Stone Faults
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Speaker 1: was declared brain dead so to me, he was forced
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Speaker 1: into something that the outcome is he was murdered. Straight
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Speaker 1: out to Rex Elliott, the Folts family lawyer representing the
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Speaker 1: family of this young man's stone Faults, what is happening.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand how this continues to go on and
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Speaker 1: on in the college. What suspended the fraternity, Same thing's
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Speaker 1: going to happen. They'll just have a party somewhere else,
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Speaker 1: and the national fraternity doesn't step up and do something
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Speaker 1: about it, and it goes on and on. I've had
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Speaker 1: far too many of these cases. And by the way, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: we do have a lot of detail about what happened
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Speaker 1: that night stone Faults joined this fraternity to network for
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Speaker 1: a resume building. He saw red flags that this wasn't good,
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Speaker 1: and that night he was brought in. He was told
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Speaker 1: to take his tie off, They blindfolded him, took him
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Speaker 1: down to a basement along with the other pledges, and
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Speaker 1: forced them to drink a handle of alcohol before they
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Speaker 1: were allowed to leave. Then the active members took stone Falls,
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Speaker 1: a completely incapacitated stone Falls, to his apartment and left
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Speaker 1: him there, left him on the couch, face down on
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Speaker 1: the couch, by himself and by the way, clear up
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Speaker 1: one quick thing. While that young woman was on the
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Speaker 1: nine one one call, his roommate had come home. He
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Speaker 1: was a boy scout, he was performing CPR at the time.
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Speaker 1: But that's what they did. These actives forced him to
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Speaker 1: drink one hundred and fifty pound kid who really didn't
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Speaker 1: even have a long drinking history, and they left him
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Speaker 1: at the apartment all by himself to slowly die at
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Speaker 1: the hospital hours later. His blood alcohol content was point
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Speaker 1: three nine four. I have called nationally for every university
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Speaker 1: to shut down fraternities right now and make them demonstrate
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Speaker 1: that they can be a positive influence on each campus
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Speaker 1: in this country. And if they can come back, zero tolerance,
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Speaker 1: one act of hazing, no matter how small, and they're
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Speaker 1: gone forever. Until we do things like that, unfortunately, we're
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Speaker 1: going to lose more innocent young lives. And the reality.
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Speaker 1: To let me go back to you, Rex Elliott, the
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Speaker 1: legal limit in most dates for drunk driving his point
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Speaker 1: zero eight. You're telling me that the victim of this case,
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Speaker 1: Stone Faulks, was point three nine four point three nine
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Speaker 1: four Nancy. And it was literally this event started at
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Speaker 1: nine o'clock in the evening and Stone Faults was dropped
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Speaker 1: off at ten thirty at night, ninety minutes to do
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Speaker 1: this to this perfectly healthy, great young kid. His body
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Speaker 1: just could not take it. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut nine Adrian Roberts. This is NBC for Columbus. Those
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Speaker 1: brothers that said they were going to be there with
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Speaker 1: Stone who were not, you have to live with that
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Speaker 1: the rest of your life. Stone's roommate found him around eleven.
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Speaker 1: He was rushed to the hospital and soon put on
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Speaker 1: life support. His family kept him alive for four days,
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Speaker 1: allowing him to donate his organs. Stone's double lung recipient
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Speaker 1: as a gentleman in his fifties, Stone's heart was successfully
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Speaker 1: transplanted in a woman in her twenties. It's a legacy
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Speaker 1: his parents. No Stone would be proud of, but his
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Speaker 1: parents won another legacy for him, saving other students from hazing.
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Speaker 1: How concerned are you that there could be another Stone
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Speaker 1: Faults this weekend or the following weekend. If you step
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Speaker 1: back and look at it, spring pledges ongoing right now,
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Speaker 1: there could be another case like the Stone Faults that
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Speaker 1: could happen tonight, and everyone just keeps sending their children
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Speaker 1: to school after thinking all their hopes in dreams, money, effort,
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Speaker 1: years of work to pay that tuition for them to
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Speaker 1: die of alcohol poisons, not just stone faults. As I
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Speaker 1: was preparing for this case, the more I look, there's
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Speaker 1: this legislature, and in that legislation, every state that I
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Speaker 1: looked at that has legislation is named after a dead student.
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Speaker 1: And you know better than anybody, gim Piasa, the father
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Speaker 1: of Timothy. Very rarely are their criminal charges and when
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Speaker 1: there are against the brothers that force the victim to
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Speaker 1: drink until they die, they are reduced and they walk free. Yeah, unfortunately, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that is that is very much the case. We really
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Speaker 1: need tougher laws throughout the country make hazing a felony
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Speaker 1: where someone is significantly hurt or they die. But we
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Speaker 1: also need prosecutors to prosecute that's not happening. They need
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Speaker 1: to go after this with a vengeance. I've been back
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Speaker 1: and forth with the prosecutor at Cornell and there's no
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Speaker 1: charges that have been raised there at all. And at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, we need stiff sentencing. When
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Speaker 1: we start to see that and university is expelling students
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Speaker 1: that agent hazing, then I think we're going to see
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Speaker 1: movement because it's happening elsewhere outside of fraternities, and so
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Speaker 1: there already's two. But we need these things to happen. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it is. And you know what I was looking at
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Speaker 1: to doctor Susan Lipkins, following up on what Jim Piazza
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Speaker 1: just said, the father Timothy Piazza who lost his life,
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Speaker 1: doctor Susan Lipkins joining us and you can find her
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Speaker 1: at inside hazing dot com. When I was researching for
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Speaker 1: this very moment, you know what, I found out that
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Speaker 1: most hazing statutes treat hazing even under these conditions like
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Speaker 1: an unpaid parking ticket. It's just a minor ordinance, it's nothing.
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Speaker 1: What about that, Lipkins, doctor Lipkins, how's that supposed to
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Speaker 1: leave parents feeling? Yeah, it's incredibly difficult to understand. And
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Speaker 1: I've been studying this for like twenty years, and every
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Speaker 1: weekend there's probably somebody who's either going to die or
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Speaker 1: almost die, and unfortunately that the beat goes on. I
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Speaker 1: don't think actually that Seleny laws is enough. I think
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Speaker 1: we really need to have an agency like the CDC
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Speaker 1: that's following hazing, bullying and harassment kinds of cases. And
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Speaker 1: I actually think that this is going to change under
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Speaker 1: the following conditions. When the students who are in the
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Speaker 1: fraternities and sorities decide, like the women in the Me
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Speaker 1: Too movement, that they're not going to take it anywhere,
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Speaker 1: that they band together as a group and say no more,
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Speaker 1: we're not doing it. You're not going to have power
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Speaker 1: over us. We're not going to drink the alcohol. And
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Speaker 1: it can't be done individually because that kid would be haze.
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Speaker 1: It has to be done as a group from the inside.
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Speaker 1: And the other group is the group of parents because
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times but the parents are
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Speaker 1: funding it, they're paying for the fraternity and fraternities and
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Speaker 1: sorarits are like, you know, I'm remnant from the last century.
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Speaker 1: This story, the concepts that these kids walked away and
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Speaker 1: just dropped him off at his apartment, goes on every
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Speaker 1: single case, and they have a code of silence that
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Speaker 1: keeps and quiet so that everybody investigating cannot get into
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Speaker 1: the information and therefore the cases don't move along. And
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Speaker 1: it's a huge kind of conspiracy that you know, the
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Speaker 1: entire Greek movement has been supporting crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, another young student
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Speaker 1: dead after a night of hazing enforced drinking. For many people,
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Speaker 1: especially women, they go through initiation. They may get flowers
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Speaker 1: from their big sister, or they may get taken out
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Speaker 1: for our surprise six am pancake breakfast. But that has
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Speaker 1: taken a deadly turn, especially when it comes to mail fraternities.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Three hours. That's around the
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Speaker 1: amount of time between the last text Stones and his
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Speaker 1: mother and the call his parents received saying something was rolled.
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Speaker 1: I joked to us and I said, okay, well I'm
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Speaker 1: going to ask you around ten. He said, haha, agreed,
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Speaker 1: And I never called him. So I have that to
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Speaker 1: Louis the rest of my life. It's a nice sherry replays.
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Speaker 1: Often that's the hard part. It's the guilt. On March fourth,
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Speaker 1: her son's Stone Faults was pledging a fraternity at BGSU.
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Speaker 1: He told his mom he had something called a big
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Speaker 1: little It was a drinking ritual and he wasn't looking
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Speaker 1: forward to it. I said, well, please be smart about it.
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Speaker 1: He said, I will. Those words of that mother are
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Speaker 1: trying to grapple with the death of her son, waiting
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Speaker 1: in the hospital to have his organs harvested after a
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Speaker 1: drinking hazing ritual. Leave him dead. To Jay McGuire parents
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Speaker 1: an alumni for Students Safety, that's past pass founder and
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Speaker 1: you can find him at and hazing dot org. Jay
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Speaker 1: McGuire way in Nancy. I can't. I can't sit here
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Speaker 1: as a fraternity advisor and defend you know, decades of
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Speaker 1: inattention or inaction on the part of fraternity nationals and
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Speaker 1: fraternity alumni. But I can tell you that some of
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Speaker 1: the statements by some of the guests here are just
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Speaker 1: playing wrong. We are as committed to ending hazing as
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Speaker 1: anybody else in this equation, but we're fighting an uptill
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Speaker 1: battle with a drinking culture among young people that is
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Speaker 1: layered on top of a culture of impunity and silence
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Speaker 1: that where is dumbfounded by it. As everybody else. Well,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you is that, along with my friend
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Speaker 1: jimpr Though, we have changed the law in my home
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Speaker 1: state of Texas to make it easier to prosecute, and
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Speaker 1: we're doing everything we can to call attention to medical providers,
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Speaker 1: especially EMTs, so that they will know it when they
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Speaker 1: see it and report it. We have worked with institutions, universities,
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Speaker 1: and colleges to increase transparency for those organizations that are
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Speaker 1: found to have hazing, that they are published on websites
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Speaker 1: so that students and parents know not to go there,
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Speaker 1: and we are educating every chance we can about how
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Speaker 1: wrong hazing is and the dangers of massive overconsumption of hardloquer.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Jay McGuire, if you know which
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Speaker 1: organizations are hazing in this manner and you're directing parents
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Speaker 1: as students to a website, my question is why are
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Speaker 1: they still even there? Yeah, good question. I don't know
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Speaker 1: the answer to that, Nancy. As far as I'm concerned,
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Speaker 1: if an organization sponsors think the organization should be banned permanent,
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Speaker 1: I agree. Justin Boordemine, former Special Victim Unit detective jump
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Speaker 1: In Justin, first off, my heart goes out to the families.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of it can be solved by
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Speaker 1: going after some of the enablers prosecutors that are not
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Speaker 1: that are using their discretion incorrectly from my view, as
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Speaker 1: well as going after the enablers when it comes to
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Speaker 1: the fraternities, and I mean that by possible criminal charges
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Speaker 1: or civil charges for sure. You know, to Gympiazza, father
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Speaker 1: of Timothy Piazza. I agree with everything we just heard,
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Speaker 1: but the reality is it's not happening. It's not happening.
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Speaker 1: There had been dozens of young people, basically teens dead
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Speaker 1: at the hands of hazing so called rituals before your
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Speaker 1: son was a victim, and there have been so many
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Speaker 1: Timothy was the victim. Nothing is happening. Why well, I
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Speaker 1: think there are some things happening, but again it's it's
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Speaker 1: a slow process. We're dealing with legislators who take your
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Speaker 1: time and enacting laws. And you were right about it.
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Speaker 1: You see a celony law come into place when someone dies,
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Speaker 1: and we got to get beyond that. We don't need
24:21
Speaker 1: a name on every law. We just need different laws
24:24
Speaker 1: and prosecution and sentencing of those of those laws. There
24:29
Speaker 1: are things that we're trying to get done by educating
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Speaker 1: students and all that. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: they keep turning over. You have alumni that you know,
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Speaker 1: foster some of this behavior. If you don't see teeth,
24:42
Speaker 1: if you don't see things happening to the students that
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Speaker 1: are committing these crimes, parents are just going to keep saying,
24:48
Speaker 1: all right, that's fine, just go go ahead and be
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Speaker 1: careful and whatnot, and things are going to continue because
24:54
Speaker 1: the students turn over every three four years. You need
24:57
Speaker 1: to see examples of people. I can't go I make
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Speaker 1: a presentation and show a list at all the faces
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Speaker 1: that went to jail because of Asian crimes. I can't
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Speaker 1: because they don't exist. We need that. Nancy, you're not
25:10
Speaker 1: just oh sorry, jump in as sure. I think you know.
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Speaker 1: One of the biggest things I see of the medical
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Speaker 1: person on the panel is, you know, sadly, I see
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Speaker 1: these young, healthy students at their worth, right, they've passed
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Speaker 1: away from this. And I think two huge points need
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Speaker 1: to be made in the education slash prevention. College students
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Speaker 1: are going to drink. Let's just assume that. But no
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Speaker 1: amount of tolerance is going to prepare a young healthy
25:39
Speaker 1: person to withstand the toxicity of this much alcohol, you know,
25:45
Speaker 1: and that's really even without it with a drinking history.
25:48
Speaker 1: Let's say it's just impossible. I mean, and what is
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Speaker 1: your point? Blood alcohol is point three nine four? I mean,
25:56
Speaker 1: so you know that's alcohol intoxication. And I think the
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Speaker 1: aware of just basic awareness you can't do this and survive.
26:05
Speaker 1: It's going to be lethal to Amy's Tiger Wall reporter
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Speaker 1: WTL eleven. They're in Bowling Green. Excuse me, Bowling Green Grad. Amy,
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Speaker 1: what more do we know about that night? You know,
26:16
Speaker 1: like we were saying, the police have still been really
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Speaker 1: silent about how many people they're talking with and how
26:21
Speaker 1: many people they're you know, looking into. But going back
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Speaker 1: to what you were talking about, as far as you know,
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Speaker 1: calling for justice on these organizations, this is not the
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Speaker 1: first time that Bowling Green, specifically this fraternity, has had
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Speaker 1: an issue and caused controversy on the campus, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of students are angry that they are still you know,
26:45
Speaker 1: they are banned. They are you know, temporarily banned, but
26:49
Speaker 1: they haven't been fully taken off the campus, and that
26:52
Speaker 1: is something that many students have been calling for. There
26:55
Speaker 1: have been peaceful protests, there have been you know, well, Amy,
26:59
Speaker 1: let me ask when you say this isn't the first
27:01
Speaker 1: time what happened before with this group. There have been
27:03
Speaker 1: some controversial posts that they've put on social media that
27:06
Speaker 1: have um outraged some you know, certain minority groups on campus.
27:11
Speaker 1: What Rice's post there have, Yes, they have, they have
27:14
Speaker 1: been putting things online in a few years back, they
27:18
Speaker 1: had an incident, I want to say where they were
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Speaker 1: dressing up that you know causes a couple of people
27:23
Speaker 1: to be angry. What did they allegedly dress up as
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Speaker 1: it was? I want to say, you're back in twenty
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Speaker 1: sixteen where they had dressed up. I believe it was
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Speaker 1: in some sort of Mexican outfit that caused some controversy
27:38
Speaker 1: on campus. Okay, all right right there, right there, they
27:42
Speaker 1: should have been thrown out right there. If Bowling Green
27:46
Speaker 1: State University had any let me just say, backbone, they
27:50
Speaker 1: would have been thrown out then. So don't come crying
27:54
Speaker 1: and joining the morning and I feel your pain. All
27:58
Speaker 1: that b as do something about it. And I think
28:02
Speaker 1: that's how many of the stay didn't feel right now.
28:04
Speaker 1: They've done nothing, just like all the other universities where
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Speaker 1: they have been a hazing death. Nothing. And I urge parents, please,
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Speaker 1: before you pack your children up and send them off
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Speaker 1: to school, look online find out if this is happening
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Speaker 1: at the university or college where you're sending your child.
28:23
Speaker 1: The jewel in your crown. For Pete's sake, I want
28:27
Speaker 1: you to take a listen to this tonight. Stone Folds.
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Speaker 1: His family says the twenty year old was apprehensive before
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Speaker 1: he left for an alleged drinking event at a pie
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Speaker 1: Kappa Alpha fraternity house. I said, well, that sounds really stupid.
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Speaker 1: Why do you have to do it? And he said,
28:43
Speaker 1: it's just part of the ritual. I have to, but
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Speaker 1: I don't want to. And I said, we'll be smart
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Speaker 1: about it. His mother said, on that March fourth night,
28:50
Speaker 1: she texted Stone, a sophomore pledge at Bowling Green State
28:53
Speaker 1: University in Ohio, to check in and with a promise
28:57
Speaker 1: to call later. I said, well, then I'll call you
28:59
Speaker 1: at ten to check up on you. I never made
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Speaker 1: that call, so it's something I have to live with
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Speaker 1: the rest of my life. Crime stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: the more I look into it. Every state that has
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Speaker 1: laws against it are named after a dead student. Take
29:30
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut nineteen is chip Reed CBS.
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Speaker 1: Eric Oakes says his son Adam last texted him I
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Speaker 1: love you Friday night before he went to a Delta
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Speaker 1: Chi fraternity party. If you knew Adam, all he wanted
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Speaker 1: to do was be one of the guys. Courtney White,
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Speaker 1: Adam's first cousin, says another student at the party told
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Speaker 1: them Adam passed out on a couch after being told
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Speaker 1: to drink an entire bottle of Jack Daniel's whiskey. Around
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Speaker 1: nine am, this young boy, Adam, found facedown unresponded. The
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Speaker 1: fraternity brothers had rolled him over. It said his face
30:03
Speaker 1: was purple. He died. Okay, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut twenty Dan Harris ABC the horror that played out
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Speaker 1: inside a frat house at Penn State University. As a
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old laid dying after a night of alcohol
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Speaker 1: fueled hazing. The fraternity brothers allegedly did little to help. Instead,
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Speaker 1: their concern was reportedly how to cover it all up.
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Speaker 1: Tonight we hear from the one student who says he
30:32
Speaker 1: tried to help actually lost it. I was like, I
30:35
Speaker 1: was screaming and yelling. I was saying, we need to
30:37
Speaker 1: take into the hospital. We should call an ambulance Style nine. One.
30:41
Speaker 1: That victim was Timothy Piazza, and with me as Tim's father, Sir,
30:49
Speaker 1: when you hear that, I almost hate to play it
30:51
Speaker 1: for you, but somehow I feel it's my duty to
30:56
Speaker 1: warn parents what's happening. Yeah, I mean, look, this is
31:01
Speaker 1: happening on a regular basis more than we know. We
31:05
Speaker 1: know of so many situations where people were near death
31:07
Speaker 1: but didn't die. They survived, and they are forced into
31:12
Speaker 1: secrecy themselves because they're afraid of the repercussions, which is
31:16
Speaker 1: terribly sad. We also learn about deaths that happened years
31:19
Speaker 1: ago which no one ever recorded, but we see a
31:21
Speaker 1: civil lawsuit come through, but there was never a criminal prosecution,
31:26
Speaker 1: never a criminal prosecution. You're right. Listen to this Our
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Speaker 1: cut twenty five. This is Mark Strassman at CBS. Champion
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Speaker 1: died at the hospital from internal bleeding and blunt forced trauma.
31:38
Speaker 1: Sean Johnson testified some fellow band members tried to cover
31:41
Speaker 1: up their role in Champion's death. It kind of amazed
31:44
Speaker 1: me how people in the band, they're met at the
31:46
Speaker 1: people that are telling on things that are happened in
31:51
Speaker 1: the band, and then I'm mad about his death. Pam
31:55
Speaker 1: and Robert Champion Senior, his parents today claimed band members
31:59
Speaker 1: are still involved in a cover up. I can't say
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Speaker 1: what the charge should be. Another young student did. There's
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Speaker 1: so many Listen to this. This is our cut twenty two.
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Speaker 1: David Right at ABC. This victim Colin went. This was
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Speaker 1: the frantic phone call in the early hours of the
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Speaker 1: morning's coming. No one emergency. Hello, I see my friend.
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Speaker 1: Thanks well too much. The caller a friend of Colin
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Speaker 1: Wyant and eighteen year old pledge at Ohio University's Sigma
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Speaker 1: Pi fraternity. Okaye responses, he was and then he laid backs.
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Speaker 1: I passed out. Went was in his freshman year at Ohio,
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Speaker 1: an honors student. He played basketball and sang in the choir.
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Speaker 1: His family devastated. Then our cut twenty three. Maxwell Graver,
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Speaker 1: just eighteen years old at LSU. Listen, this is ABC's
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Speaker 1: GMA this morning. New details and the depth of eighteen
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Speaker 1: year old fraternity pledge Max Gruver. What his life had
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Speaker 1: to end so early? A preliminary autopsy report revealing that Gruver,
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Speaker 1: a freshman who was pledging the Phi Delta Theta fraternity
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Speaker 1: at Louisiana State University, had a highly elevated blood alcohol
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Speaker 1: level and the presence of THHC, a chemical found in marijuana,
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Speaker 1: in his system. Ruver was rushed from Phi Delta Theta's
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Speaker 1: fraternity house to a hospital Wednesday night, where he later died.
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Speaker 1: LSU immediately shutting down all Greek activities. Campus police now
33:23
Speaker 1: investigating if hazing played a part in his death. Yes,
33:27
Speaker 1: it did, like it did in all of these cases.
33:30
Speaker 1: I've got a stack of paper of all these young
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Speaker 1: people teens dead from alcohol poisoning due to hazing incidents.
33:39
Speaker 1: To Rex H. Elliot, the Folks family lawyer, and he
33:44
Speaker 1: is directing us to Stone Faults Go fund me search
33:48
Speaker 1: Stone Foults Memorial Fund. Rex Elliott, this has been going
33:52
Speaker 1: on for years and years and years. What are we
33:57
Speaker 1: going to do? Do you have any solution? Well, Nancy
34:01
Speaker 1: and I represent the Wyatt family as well, and in
34:03
Speaker 1: that case, the fraternity members organized after they found out
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Speaker 1: Colin was guiding. They initiated all the pledges and they
34:10
Speaker 1: got their story straight and it's a code of silence.
34:12
Speaker 1: The reality is this, these are eighteen to twenty two
34:15
Speaker 1: year old boys. They don't have judgment and when they
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Speaker 1: organized collectively and they don't have adult supervision and guidance,
34:23
Speaker 1: this is a recipe for disaster. I applaud all of
34:26
Speaker 1: the legislative efforts. I completely agree that there should be
34:29
Speaker 1: criminal prosecutions and civil cases in the whole nine yards.
34:32
Speaker 1: But until universities say, on our campus, one incident in hazing,
34:37
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's somebody walking around with a
34:39
Speaker 1: backpacker running on a lunch run, because guess what those
34:42
Speaker 1: lead to the types of things that we're seeing every
34:45
Speaker 1: day until universities say one more time and you're gone forever.
34:49
Speaker 1: And if that means we eradicate the fraternity system altogether
34:53
Speaker 1: in this country, then so be it. It's twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: one and we shouldn't have one more innocent kid dead
34:58
Speaker 1: on a college campus because of this nonsense. Jay McQuire,
35:02
Speaker 1: with pass, what is your best recommendation, because what's being
35:08
Speaker 1: done now obviously is not working. Yeah, I think banning
35:11
Speaker 1: fraternities is a distraction from what has to happen individual
35:18
Speaker 1: accountability and prosecutions. Universities have been hesitant to actually pull
35:24
Speaker 1: the trigger on enforcing their own rules, and local prosecutors
35:28
Speaker 1: always give a pass to the to the perpetrators, even
35:32
Speaker 1: even in cases that are so clear cut. So you
35:37
Speaker 1: can you can. You can ban fraternities if you like.
35:40
Speaker 1: It's going to keep happening. Um. Young men who get
35:43
Speaker 1: together without supervision under any circumstances are always going to
35:48
Speaker 1: take risks that they shouldn't take. What's different about this
35:52
Speaker 1: situation is the massive over consumption of hard alcohol that
35:58
Speaker 1: has become normalized in this forgetting the culture right now
36:01
Speaker 1: that is relatively new. What I hear you saying, Jay
36:04
Speaker 1: McGuire is basically, boys will be boys, and there's really
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Speaker 1: nothing we can do about. Don't. Actually, I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: that at all. I'm saying I'm not saying that at all.
36:13
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's time to start throwing the book at
36:15
Speaker 1: people when they do things that are clearly wrong. That's
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Speaker 1: what needs to happen. The universities and the National Fratorneys
36:23
Speaker 1: are providing the vehicle for these eighteen to twenty two
36:26
Speaker 1: year old kids to over consume alcohol and to behave
36:30
Speaker 1: in ritualistic tendencies like this. That is what's happening. You
36:34
Speaker 1: take away that, or you put a zero tolerance policy
36:37
Speaker 1: in place, and they're gone at some point because they
36:40
Speaker 1: can't behave responsibility responsibly. Eighteen to twenty two year old
36:44
Speaker 1: boys will have a difficult, very difficult time coming together
36:47
Speaker 1: and organizing and and you know, engaging in behavior like
36:51
Speaker 1: this to Justin Bordman and former Special Victims Unit detective
36:55
Speaker 1: earlier is brought out about me too, how it became
37:00
Speaker 1: more okay for sex assault victims to speak out. Why
37:05
Speaker 1: can't there be a hotline for people to call anonymously
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Speaker 1: to say this is happening here, We're being hazed. Help
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Speaker 1: us stop it. There's nothing being done to stop this. Yes,
37:18
Speaker 1: I think that Nancy the hotline is a great idea.
37:23
Speaker 1: I think that the reporting and going after the enablers
37:29
Speaker 1: as well of the of this whole drinking culture is
37:36
Speaker 1: very important as well. Doctor Susan Lkins, I think I
37:39
Speaker 1: heard you jumping in. Was that you? Yes, I wanted
37:42
Speaker 1: to tell you. I went to Washington in like two
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Speaker 1: thousand and three trying to get a National Hazing Prevention Act,
37:49
Speaker 1: and I realized as I walked around Congress that most
37:52
Speaker 1: of these people themselves have been in Greek organizations, and
37:55
Speaker 1: their children were currently in the Greek organizations, and it
37:58
Speaker 1: would be very rare that they would vote in any
38:01
Speaker 1: kind of legislation which would get rid of this whole
38:03
Speaker 1: fraternity and sorority system. So you're basically saying to get
38:08
Speaker 1: rid of the whole Greek system, that's your answer, because
38:11
Speaker 1: that's not I would definitely get rid of the whole
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Speaker 1: Greek system. Okay, I understandy Wood and a lot of
38:17
Speaker 1: other victims parents feel the same way. But I'm trying
38:20
Speaker 1: to tackle this in a way that I think it's achievable.
38:24
Speaker 1: To Jim Piazza, I really believe a hotline solution no tolerance,
38:31
Speaker 1: And to me, no tolerance means once it happens, you're
38:33
Speaker 1: booted permanently from campus. I think it should be part
38:38
Speaker 1: of every freshman's let me just say, entrance into college,
38:43
Speaker 1: their orientation, that they are given a class on this.
38:48
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of things that can
38:50
Speaker 1: be done that are not being done. Help me, Jim
38:53
Speaker 1: so Nancy, there are hotlines in certain schools. We've been
38:57
Speaker 1: lobbying for that. We absolutely need zero tolerance in the universities.
39:04
Speaker 1: They need to say one and done, you're out, get
39:06
Speaker 1: rid of them. Also, in the state legislation that we're
39:09
Speaker 1: pedaling around the country, if the national fraternity or the
39:13
Speaker 1: alumni that are overseeing a particular local chapter know about
39:18
Speaker 1: any hazing that's going on, they can be held criminally,
39:22
Speaker 1: criminally liable and under a felony law. And I think
39:25
Speaker 1: that's important because if we start seeing some of those
39:29
Speaker 1: organizations held under a felony law as well as the
39:33
Speaker 1: individuals being held accountable, we will see movements. It's not
39:38
Speaker 1: plausible I should be saying get rid of the Greek
39:40
Speaker 1: system of their ground. I've seen so many instances of
39:44
Speaker 1: organizations going underground because they were pulled their letters. So
39:48
Speaker 1: that'll just continue, They'll reform for something else. We need.
39:52
Speaker 1: We need some people that we could show went to
39:54
Speaker 1: jail for a significant period of time for committing these crimes.
39:58
Speaker 1: Would happen to Robert Champion is the most egregious thing.
40:01
Speaker 1: He was beat to death. In any other environment, that's murder.
40:05
Speaker 1: Why wasn't it murdered with Robert Champion? I mean, I
40:07
Speaker 1: just don't understand. We wait as justice unfolds. God willing
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off, goodbye friend,