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With crunch time here, is Tarik Skubal officially back to himself? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: And welcome in to another episode of Tiger Territory, part
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  Speaker 1: of the baut Territory nor Detroit Tigers podcast. I'm Kierens
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  Speaker 1: Deckley with me as always a man who is never
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  Speaker 1: gonna exaggerate his fish stories.
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  Speaker 2: He is Cody Stavenhagen.
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  Speaker 3: How are we doing doing all right? Yeah, here we are.
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  Speaker 4: We are back from the All Star break, although I'm
• 0:27
  Speaker 4: still halfway on vacation right now. We're watching what I
• 0:32
  Speaker 4: believe to be the most interesting team in baseball in
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  Speaker 4: the next two weeks. I mean, okay, we all know
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  Speaker 4: the Schogl storyline. I just don't think there's a more consequential,
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  Speaker 4: more interesting team right now than the Detroit Tigers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like and I think I think interesting
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  Speaker 1: is the right way to phrase over Recording this shortly
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  Speaker 1: after the Tigers drop a three to two Sunday game
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  Speaker 1: to the Angels, but of course won the series with
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  Speaker 1: a two to one win and a seven zero win
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  Speaker 1: on Friday Saturday Saturday, Respectfully. I like the term interesting
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  Speaker 1: because I was watching some national broadcasts and commentators and
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was, but they were like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Tigers are on the verge of like
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  Speaker 1: making things really interesting, and I was like on the verge,
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  Speaker 1: like I think we're there. I think we're past the verge.
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  Speaker 1: We are past the verge of being interesting here. And
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  Speaker 1: it just feels like, as we said before, every game
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  Speaker 1: just feels big.
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  Speaker 2: And we can even start with Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Like with the you know, to have nothing going on offense,
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  Speaker 1: you're down one nothing and you know, you got Yates
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  Speaker 1: on the mound and you have how you level people
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  Speaker 1: come up in a big spot with a two run,
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  Speaker 1: two out double there in the ninth and then Montero
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  Speaker 1: with what was it three plus innings to close out
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  Speaker 1: the game and make things a little interesting with a
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  Speaker 1: couple of torque great plays, McGonagall with a nice play.
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  Speaker 1: Like it was just like all these things happening and
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  Speaker 1: it felt like really big coming out of the All
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  Speaker 1: Star Game, All Star Break, I should say seven nothing
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  Speaker 1: dominating performance. We'll talk about school wel here in a second.
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  Speaker 1: Then you know, a couple solo shots, not really anything
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  Speaker 1: going offensively. I heard Dan Dickerson on the broadcast today
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  Speaker 1: kind of be like, well, you know, Angels pitching kind
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  Speaker 1: of controlled the Tigers for two out of these three games.
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  Speaker 2: And that's true. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: But the difference is that that statement has been said
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  Speaker 1: a lot this year and it didn't result in a
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  Speaker 1: Tigers series win. So the question is, as we kind
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  Speaker 1: of move forward and we, you know, kind of barrel
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  Speaker 1: toward the trade deadline, is this actually like a different team?
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  Speaker 1: And I think this weekend showed us at least like
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  Speaker 1: the drop off is just not gonna happen immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Could there be some middling things that happened between now
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  Speaker 1: and the trade that my shirt, but there's all gonna
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  Speaker 1: be huge dropout drop off. I believe these Tigers are
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  Speaker 1: who they are displaying themselves to be, and that is
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  Speaker 1: a good, potentially really good team if you just look
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  Speaker 1: at all the metrics from June one. But what does
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  Speaker 1: that mean? I don't now, We'll.
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  Speaker 4: See, right, I Mean, that's the hard part deciphering what
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  Speaker 4: does it actually mean in terms of.
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  Speaker 3: Are they buying? Are they selling? Are they are they
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  Speaker 3: doing something in between?
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  Speaker 4: It's just gonna be hard to answer it until we're
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  Speaker 4: kind of there and they play out that schedule. What
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  Speaker 4: I would say based on this weekend, and maybe Angel's
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  Speaker 4: pitching did control them a little bit. But the thing
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  Speaker 4: about an ugly win is it counts just the same
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  Speaker 4: as the as a pretty win and one of the
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  Speaker 4: big reasons we are here at this juncture in the
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  Speaker 4: Tigers season. They haven't had that many ugly wins. A
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  Speaker 4: lot of those ugly games were losses. You know, they
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  Speaker 4: don't have that many close wins. We know they're lackluster
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  Speaker 4: record and one run games and extra inning games and
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  Speaker 4: so many things just haven't gone their way. So to
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  Speaker 4: get a big hit from someone like how You Lee
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  Speaker 4: on Friday, I.
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  Speaker 3: Actually view that as huge.
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  Speaker 4: You're not going to play your best every single night
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  Speaker 4: in the major leagues, and if you can find a
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  Speaker 4: way to leave with the W next to your name
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  Speaker 4: and the standings, that is still wildly productive. When it's
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  Speaker 4: someone like how You Lee contributing all the better. I've
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  Speaker 4: talked a lot about him, and like he's still an interesting,
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  Speaker 4: kind of strange player to evaluate. But for all the
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  Speaker 4: faults of like the Tigers havn't gotten contributions from this
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  Speaker 4: guy and this guy and this guy and this guy
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  Speaker 4: and this guy, how You Lee has come up to
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  Speaker 4: the big leagues and he has given you something. And
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  Speaker 4: Friday night he helped you win. He helped you win
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  Speaker 4: an important ball game, because they're all important ball games
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  Speaker 4: at this point, and so to me, there's actually a
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  Speaker 4: ton of value in ugly wins and small contributions from
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  Speaker 4: players like.
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  Speaker 2: That, Yeah, and look like they like this.
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  Speaker 1: This weekend did have like every variety, and you can
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  Speaker 1: even include just the fact that, like for as I
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  Speaker 1: would say, book ended as the offense was on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: you basically start out the game with a home run
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  Speaker 1: and essentially end the game with a home run, obviously
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  Speaker 1: in a loss. So like, the power numbers are going
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  Speaker 1: to are going to continue to look good for this team.
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  Speaker 1: As you're projecting out you look at the run differential
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  Speaker 1: coming into today, it was like, what plus seventy four
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  Speaker 1: since uh since June, since June first? Uh So obviously
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  Speaker 1: just a tad lower now, But like that screams to me,
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  Speaker 1: like take this team seriously, and even like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: give Lie some love, but we also got to give
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  Speaker 1: talk about guys hard to evaluate. We could give Torq
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of run here. You know, he's second
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  Speaker 1: on the team in home runs right now, Cody second
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  Speaker 1: off the team behind Dingler, you know, and he's got power,
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  Speaker 1: but he also has a powerful force of people who
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  Speaker 1: want to talk down on him a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And and this was kind of a weekend where like
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say he saved the game on Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: but you had the defense on Friday night and then
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  Speaker 1: the two home runs on Saturday, and like had he
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  Speaker 1: done anything today? We've been talking about like this being
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  Speaker 1: towards weekend and it probably still was, but these are
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  Speaker 1: the kinds of examples of like how this.
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  Speaker 2: Team can do it.
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  Speaker 6: Like we we know why they haven't been able to
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  Speaker 6: do it thus far, but the example of how this
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  Speaker 6: team can do it is yu LEI like coming up
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  Speaker 6: in a big spot and by the way, like you know,
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  Speaker 6: I had a nice base hit today, you know as well.
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  Speaker 6: And then special Torklsen kind of finding his upside, uh
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  Speaker 6: you know in in in a in a short period
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  Speaker 6: of time, which we know he's capable of, but we
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  Speaker 6: just don't see it obviously enough, hence the the pushback.
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  Speaker 6: And then of course it started pitching.
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  Speaker 1: Melton was excellent on Friday after a shaky start, and
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  Speaker 1: uh and schoolbl was great too. Let's uh, let's let's
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  Speaker 1: go to school right now, Cody.
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  Speaker 3: What the people want.
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  Speaker 2: Is schoobl back? Is he back?
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  Speaker 1: But why do I say that, Uh Okay, Well, he
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  Speaker 1: went seven endings, he had nine k's left, five hits,
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  Speaker 1: zero earned runs, he had zero walks. Fun fact, this
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  Speaker 1: was the first start for schoobl in which he gave
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  Speaker 1: up zero earned runs since opening Day. I was in
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  Speaker 1: another country when that happened, all right, Like that felt
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  Speaker 1: feels like.
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  Speaker 2: A long time ago. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And and the fact that the fact that we've been
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  Speaker 1: having these conversations about him going deep into games and
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  Speaker 1: you know, and and the pitch counts and like all
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  Speaker 1: these things, all that really evaporated into the Southern California
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  Speaker 1: sun on Saturday, And like it just goes to show you,
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  Speaker 1: like there's never a real, like grounded reason to be
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  Speaker 1: worried about Trek Scooble. You can critique, you can you know,
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  Speaker 1: you can say like there are reasons that you know
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  Speaker 1: he needs to be better at this, blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 1: but you can't be worried because that is that was
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  Speaker 1: on an outlandish thing, but it was sort of like
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  Speaker 1: a reminder of exactly what he can do. And of
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  Speaker 1: course he's in the news for other reasons. But the
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  Speaker 1: bottom line is he won you a series. You give
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  Speaker 1: him a four spot there in the first ending and
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  Speaker 1: it's and it's game over from there, and he was
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  Speaker 1: and he was fired up to have that too, So
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  Speaker 1: that was good to see.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm oddly somewhat in the minority here, but I
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  Speaker 4: don't think Trek Scooble ever really left like he came
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  Speaker 4: back off the injured list and his stuff was Schooble like.
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  Speaker 4: The stuff was never not there. There was maybe a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of rust or the execution wasn't quite what
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  Speaker 4: you would want it to be from a guy who's
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  Speaker 4: won back to Backsille Young Awards. And that's the whole
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  Speaker 4: reason school trade stuff aside is a fascinating topic. It's
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  Speaker 4: because the bar for him is through the roof. So
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  Speaker 4: five innings, one run, it's not good enough. When you're
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  Speaker 4: Terek schoobl it's getting him critiqued. He can't go deep
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  Speaker 4: into games. He can't do this. The command's not the
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  Speaker 4: same whatever. This guy at maybe not quite his sharpest,
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  Speaker 4: was going five, allowing one run, giving you a chance
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  Speaker 4: to win, finishing with a respectable line. And I do
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  Speaker 4: think there was some importance to see that vintage Schooble
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  Speaker 4: outing right, And I always thought that it was coming
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  Speaker 4: and sure enough it was. We just saw a size
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  Speaker 4: school outing, shutting down the angels, really commanding the game,
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  Speaker 4: being efficient with his pitch count, which was important. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not saying that those things like don't matter, but I
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  Speaker 4: never really lost.
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  Speaker 3: Any faith that that's who Trek Schouble was. For the
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  Speaker 3: most part.
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  Speaker 4: The quality of his pitching, the quality of his stuff
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  Speaker 4: was there. It was just kind of a matter of
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  Speaker 4: those kind of those marginal things that can swing your line,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and leaving people feeling a certain type of
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  Speaker 4: way out of an outing. Those things went in his favor.
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  Speaker 4: His execution was much closer to flawless, like he he
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  Speaker 4: gave himself some koshion pitching with the lead probably didn't hurt.
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  Speaker 4: He was able to be kind of aggressive bully people
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  Speaker 4: a little more like we're used to seeing Schooble bully people.
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  Speaker 4: The fastball pounded inside. Things like that. So really encouraging
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  Speaker 4: for anyone who did have any doubts, Like I think,
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  Speaker 4: we just saw the reason I never really had any doubts.
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  Speaker 1: And again, and obligatory congratulations to everybody who only wants
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: to see Trek Schooble have good outings to increase his
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: trade value. So you know, you guys had a good Saturday,
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: So congratulations. Speaking of you know, in the news, John
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: Hayman it out there today and I'm paraphrasing, so keep
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: that in mind. But basically, Tigers are gonna looks like
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: they're gonna hold on to Trek Schoogl through the end
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: of the year and then after that it's unlikely they
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: will resign him. So this is like the you know,
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: the last run of Schoobl's time with the Tigers is
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: essentially the report from Hayman, uh, which I just have
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: like one reaction to that, which is cool, I guess.
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: Like like like what what what?
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  Speaker 1: Like I just don't feel like really feel the need
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: to to like take that seriously. I know, like I'm
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: taking it seriously by addressing it on here, but like
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: I look at it similarly to like if we were
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: out and about as single guys and like, hey, why
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: don't you go ask that girl out? And it's like, well,
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: she's probably gonna say no. It's like all right, well
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: she probably is gonna say no, But like what are
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: you supposed to do?
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: Like not play the game? Like let's play the game?
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: Like like like what, okay?
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: Cool, He's he doesn't want to resign, there's little chance
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: or wherever his exact phrasing is.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: All right, Uh, I guess we'll we just want we'll
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: just be.
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  Speaker 1: Paralyzed by this and and and just and not be
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: able to move on and or even try, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh, that's that's my take on that.
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  Speaker 1: I think pretty much anything that comes out regarding Trek
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: Schouble comes out for a reason, as I often say,
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  Speaker 1: and I will just kind of leave it at that
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: and with that, oh, go ahead.
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: Well, Kieran, I think that's the most under talked about
• 11:26
  Speaker 4: part of this whole fiasco is are the Tigers ever
• 11:30
  Speaker 4: going to put a real offer on the table? Let's
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: say they have a bad series in Chicago, say they
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: come back home, it doesn't go great. Suddenly they start
• 11:39
  Speaker 4: to look more like sellers. Do you present trek Schouble
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  Speaker 4: with an offer before you trade him? Or even if
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: they make a run and they don't trade him, are
• 11:47
  Speaker 4: you are you making this guy a real offer while
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: you still have exclusive negotiating rights Because we all know,
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of us know the con there
• 11:57
  Speaker 4: is like, well, you probably just set the floor for
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: Scott Bors to negotiate against at the same time, what
• 12:03
  Speaker 4: the Washington Nationals did before they traded on Soda. They
• 12:06
  Speaker 4: got their best offer and they handed it to them.
• 12:08
  Speaker 4: They wrote it down on paper. They said, we want
• 12:10
  Speaker 4: you to see the money we are offering you. And
• 12:14
  Speaker 4: Sodo saw it said thanks, but no thanks, and they said, okay,
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: we now really have no option but to trade you.
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: Will the Tigers do that? That's something that hasn't really
• 12:24
  Speaker 4: been discussed a lot. And you're Ayman is probably right.
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: We've been saying this for a long time. Turkhy was
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: highly unlikely to re sign with the Tigers, certainly unlikely
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  Speaker 4: to resign without at least dipping the toes in the
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: free agent waters. So does that mean you just don't try?
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: And I'm not quite sure. I'm not quite sure what
• 12:45
  Speaker 4: I would do if I were in Scott Harrison's shoes.
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  Speaker 4: But that is maybe something that we should be talking
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  Speaker 4: about a little bit more over the next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll have ample opportunities for that. And speaking of
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: the trade deadline, we're going to introduce a chance of
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: Tech School getting traded every episode on TI your Territory
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: leading up to the trade deadline. And I have it
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  Speaker 1: right now, Cody at thirteen and a half percent, Why
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: is it thirteen and a half percent? Because I said so,
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  Speaker 1: that's why. So thirteen and a half percent chance Tark
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  Speaker 1: School gets traded at the trade.
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  Speaker 3: I will go over.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's still fifty five to sixty percent.
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  Speaker 3: That's easy.
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  Speaker 2: Whoo spicy. We have ourselves a gap here.
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: All right, coming back here, Cody.
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  Speaker 1: Part of the Tigers' discussion points is that you know
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: some help is coming, presumably, and the most probably immediate
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: part of that would be Labor Torres, who started doing
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: rehab stints over the weekend, had a home run on Saturday,
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: down and playing for the Lakeland Flying Tigers. Not exactly
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: sure what his timeline is, but the bottom line is
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: once he is good to go, he will be on
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: the major lester and he will be starting at second
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  Speaker 1: base or you know sometimes dhing. He will be in
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: the lineup every day. So then that becomes you mentioned
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: how you lee earlier, just to kind of reiterate the
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: stats since June one, it's bat in three twenty. This
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: is Lee and he's got eight thirty nine ops. Now
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: that was entering entering Sunday, all right, so just you know,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: obviously a little bit different after after Sunday's games.
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  Speaker 2: But the but the bottom line.
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  Speaker 1: Is, like you have a solid, workable player in Lee
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: playing second base. But once Tours is back, like that's Tours' spot,
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna be at the top of the lineup. Everything
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  Speaker 1: he provides at bats, you know, uh, you know, the
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: working pitches, like all that stuff, Like he's gonna be there.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: So then the question becomes what do the Tigers do?
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  Speaker 2: And I like the lead.
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  Speaker 1: Is Lee the new Ontaro and and that's given lead
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  Speaker 1: too much credit. But my point is is that you
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: got cut. This is a guy that you kind of
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: a horse that has to kind of be ridden every day.
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  Speaker 1: And so like is it better for him to be
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: like playing every day in Toledo and then just like
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: come up or to kind of be in a supplemental
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: role in the major leagues. These are the things that
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: like the the higher ups are gonna have to determine.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, give it.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Given the state of the Tigers, I don't know how
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: you can really justify sending how you lead down when
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: tourres is back, obviously his playing time is going to decline,
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: but Labor is a guy who needs a day off
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: every now and then, so there will be some reps
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: at second. You can still mix them in at third.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: You can bring him off the bench as a right
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: handed bat you haven't used been Maljerry.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: A ton a ton.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: The roster is a little more balanced, you know, with
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: an outfielder versus adding another infielder. But I would tend
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: to think mal Jerry is probably the guy to go down.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: I also find it very interesting Matt Vierling appeared at
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: third base in this game, Karen, for the first time
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: all year. I don't know exactly what that means, but
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: maybe it's kind of like, all right, you've got to
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: start again, like some dudes are coming back. First, it's Glabor.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Eventually it's going to be hobby. You have to start justifying,
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: you know, your spot on this roster and how we're
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: going to use you and how you're going to get
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: playing time. So I kind of wonder like what the
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: underlying factor there was with Vierling. I'm not really saying
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: he's a candidate to get booted from the roster. But
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: the decisions get harder when you have someone like how
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: you Lee playing playing good baseball. I think it would
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: be a mistake to send him down. I also think
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: if he plays less, like will he be effective?
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: What does that look like? Who knows? But we've all
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: been seeing it, you know.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: And again I'm not just from all the scouts I
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: know who don't have the highest opinion of how you
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: lease like long term future. It's hard to deny that
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: the kid is playing really good baseball and if you're
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: trying to win every game, I want to keep this
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: guy around right now.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but we've had this this same kind of
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: conversation repeatedly this year about a variety of dudes. And uh,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I'll even throw and Manuel de Haesussen there a little
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: bit cody with like with the way, you know, with
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: him being sent down because he had the option, Like
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: there there is So that's another kind of thing too
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: that just kind of like monitor is that like the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: front office has a lot of times kind of played
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: it safe, and so like if you're gonna so there
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: are some kind of tough decisions, a lot of time
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: they go the safer route.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Does that change here?
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: The next couple of weeks as sort of like the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: real direction of the team is going to be the
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: termin right, So that's that That's something that just kind
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: of like.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: Position playing probably different in terms of bullpeny. You're really
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: trying to optimize matchups and this and that, and you
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: know there's gonna be a ton of shuffling anyway, there's
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: position players for the most part, just have to have
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: dudes who can perform. Although I guess the safe thing
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: was keeping Jamai Jones around until into July, which they did,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: so maybe maybe it's not that much different in their minds.
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: Not sure.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Shout out Jamai by the way, at a home run
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: at first with.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: The believe can you believe the Scott Harris reshion let
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Jamie Jones.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Go af a lefty? Yeah, should have been our headline,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Scott Harris screws up Jami Jones home run in Boston.
• 19:30
  Speaker 10: Uh, all right, let's get to let's get to a
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: fun little topic here, Cody, as we're about twenty minutes
• 19:39
  Speaker 10: and I just wanted to remind you guys that Tiger
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• 19:50
  Speaker 1: So we're doing our daily Dinger Select Dinger selection and
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: uh we I think this was our first Daily Dinger selection.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna go back to our roots here and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Dylan Dingler one of.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: The all stars for your Detroit Tigers, and he I
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: mentioned Torque being second on the team at home runs.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Number one is Dylan Dingler with nineteen. He has not
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: hit one cody since June twenty fifth, so it's been
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit so so my pick for him to
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: do it on Monday is a little bit of like
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: is he do and then and then the question is
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: can this guy who again he's at nineteen home runs?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Can he get to thirty?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And you know, regardless of what he finishes at, how
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: high does he go up The Tigers single season home
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: run list by a catcher, Rudy York is number one
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: with thirty five. Lance Parrish in nineteen eighty four hit
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: thirty three. D York did it thirty three and thirty eight.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to list the whole thing, but basically,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: like some of the most noteworthy catchers in Tiger's history
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: like are on this list, and the most of this century,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I would say, is Eric Hosts in twenty twenty one,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: he hit twenty two home runs. Like safe that Dylan
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Dingler will top that number. But like we talked and
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: we are about Dylan Dingler behind the plate and then
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: just like his overall hitting ability. But like once you
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: kind of get up to thirty home runs, now we're
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: talking about like you're a slugger catcher, right, So like
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: that's just kind of how you get thought of.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Do you think do you think thirty's in there for Dingler?
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I think it is. I think, you know, he hasn't
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: gone deep in a while. I think I'm not stunned
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: buy that he was hitting homers at such a prodigious
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: pace that I almost expected like, Okay, this will probably
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: eventually slow down.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: A little bit. Dylan Dingler is a really good player.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: The last two years, he's certainly made a compelling case
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: to really believe in his offensive ceiling. But like, is
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: this really a thirty five forty home run guy? That's
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: a stretch for not just any catcher that's a stretcher.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: There are only a select few guys in all of
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: baseball who can really do that on a perennial basis.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: I think Dingler's set himself up quite well, already being
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: at nineteen. So I'm not I think he can get
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: to thirty. I don't think he can get to thirty five.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: And so if Dylan Dingler hits number thirty six, I'll
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: go tell him I'm sorry.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: What was it? What would his reaction be if you
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: told him we were sorry.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: He'd probably'd be like, what, I don't think Dylan's.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I got a report? Why are you talking to me?
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I got a scout report?
• 22:31
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• 22:32
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• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, let's let's wrap up here. Cody
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Casey Myz came out of the game today. We didn't
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: really get a chance to kind of talk much about it. Obviously,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: we don't know the stent of everything, but he got
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: hit kind of like a little bit of a comebacker
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: on the left wrist hand area. Again, trying to be vague.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Obviously don't know the full extent of everything. But then
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: aj Hinch afterward said there was also like some some
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: growing tightness, you know, kind.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Of kind of like the ultimate wait and see.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens tomorrow, because you don't like the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: combination of contusions and tightness.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I don't like that combination, Cody.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: No, I don't.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: The initial report seems to be that the hand slash, wrists,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: slash whatever is okay, so we hope that remains to
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: be the case. Don't love hearing groin tightness, given that
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: the groin is already sent in myce to the injury
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: list twice this season, and it's unfortunate that this is
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: seemingly some sort of recurring thing for him. No, we
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: don't know for sure if this was another strain or
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: maybe a cramp or whatever. We'll learn more about that, right,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: But you know, when it happened the second time, I'd
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: kind of ask Casey, have you have you figured anything
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: out as to why this happened twice? You know, I'm like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm getting older, right, trying to like take
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: care of my body and realize I'm like, oh, I
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: like right ankle, Like I really overpronate, and you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: like I think I had an interior pelvic tilt and
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: if I had a major league training staff, they could
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: probably like help me out with that stuff real quick, right,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: And that because they do. They identify stuff like that
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: with guys. So is there something about Misa's body or
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: his mechanics where he's compensating And I think he did
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: say they were just trying to get him to open
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: up a little more in his delivery, so there's not
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: as much pressure on the groin. Seems like maybe they're
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: still trying to get to the bottom of that. I
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: just think it kind of I feel bad for Casey
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: obviously given his injury history. We don't know the extent
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: of this. It may be nothing, but you certainly hope
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: it doesn't send him back to the IL. Just really
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: for Casey on a personal level, you know, trade deadline
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: and all that stuff completely aside. No one wants to
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: have the same little nagging injury you keep coming back.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And you know, the like anything else with pitching, like
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you think the minute you think you have some sort
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: of luxury, something happens. It just kind of throws things
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: in limbo a little bit. So the Tigers were planning
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: on going with a six man rotation anyway, but you know, again,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: depending on what happens with Casey, maybe some adjustments.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Adjustments when we made there.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Three with the Cubs this week, then four with the Royals,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: so like, not not a lot of room to just
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: kind of like figure things out. Cody, like, we're we're
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: off and running.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Here and and and uh and by the time we talk,
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, we're gonna have a couple of episodes this week,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: but by the time we get to the end of
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: the week, maybe there will be some sort of clear
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: picture and uh and looking forward to reacting to that
• 26:49
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• 26:51
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