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Mega Edition: The Men Who Were In Charge Of The Investigation In Moscow And Their Narrative (9/1/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. Today, we're going to
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: dive right back into the headlines from overnight and see
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: where things currently stand. And to do that, once again,
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: we'll be diving right into the independent. Headline, Idaho Murders Update.
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: Moscow police say progress has been made in hunt for
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: mystery car seen at crime scene. This article was authored
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  Speaker 1: by Rachel Sharp and Andrea Blanco. Investigators trying to track
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: down the killer of four University of Idaho students have
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: said that progress has now been made in the hunt
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: for a mystery car spotted at the crime scene. Alright,
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: whatever that means, progress has been made, folks, so hopefully
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  Speaker 1: that means they're a little bit closer to finding whoever
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  Speaker 1: did this. For almost two weeks, police have been searching
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  Speaker 1: for the occupant or occupants of a white Hyundai Elantra
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  Speaker 1: seen in the immediate area of the King Road home
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  Speaker 1: at the time of the murders. Now, we've talked about
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: this in depth at this point, and I really don't
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  Speaker 1: believe that this Hyundai belongs to anyone in the community
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: or anyone in the scope of where this investigation is
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  Speaker 1: currently being hatched. If somebody owned this Hyundai, they would
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  Speaker 1: have already found them, I think. And I know that
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: they have a lot to go through, but... I find
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  Speaker 1: it hard to believe with all of the attention on
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  Speaker 1: this case that nobody has called in and said, hey, look,
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  Speaker 1: my neighbor has this exact car. They've been gone. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't heard anything like that. And they're still putting
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: in APB out on this white Hyundai Elantra and asking
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  Speaker 1: for public tips. So for me, anyway, that leads me
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  Speaker 1: to believe that they just don't have anything solid yet.
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: On Monday, Moscow police said that progress continues to be
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: made in finding information about the vehicle with more than 10,000
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  Speaker 1: tips so far received from the public throughout the murder investigation.
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: And that's a good thing. The more tips, the better.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's people out there who have a different opinion,
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: and that's fine. But for me, I think the more
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: information you get about something, the more context there is,
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  Speaker 1: the more meat on the bone. the better off you're
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: going to be. And the better you're going to understand
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: whatever it is in front of you. Who wants to
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: go in with half the knowledge? So if you have
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: as much information as possible, as much context as possible,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have a better chance at finding the
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: person or persons who are responsible for this. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why I still think a reward is a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: While more FBI agents have been assigned to the case
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  Speaker 1: this week, an attorney for Kaylee Gonsalves' family expressed a
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: lack of confidence in law enforcement's ability to catch the killer. Now,
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  Speaker 1: there's people that are saying that the FBI agents were
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: added on because of the holidays so that they could
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: rotate out other agents. And that's a possibility. But they
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  Speaker 1: also said that they were expanding the investigation, didn't they?
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  Speaker 1: And if that's the case, they're going to need more agents.
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  Speaker 1: And the more agents that are added to this, meaning
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  Speaker 1: FBI agents, the more I'm convinced that they're looking for
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  Speaker 1: some kind of random maniac here. More than five weeks
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  Speaker 1: have now passed since Gonsalves, her roommate Madison Mogan and
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Kernodle's boyfriend Ethan Chapin were brutally stabbed
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  Speaker 1: to death inside an off-campus rental home in Moscow on
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  Speaker 1: November 13th. No murder weapon has been found. No suspects
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: have been identified. And no arrests have been made. Victims'
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  Speaker 1: families say they can't celebrate Christmas without her. And my
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  Speaker 1: guess is this is the sentiment of all of these families.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine rolling into the holidays knowing that your loved one
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  Speaker 1: isn't going to be there because some madman murdered them.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine the grief that all of these families
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  Speaker 1: are experiencing right now. Kelly Gonzalez's father said that the
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  Speaker 1: family won't be able to celebrate Christmas this year as
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  Speaker 1: he is about to face the first holiday season without
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  Speaker 1: his 21-year-old daughter. To be honest, we're not even really
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  Speaker 1: going to have a Christmas because you just can't get
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: yourself there to where it would make sense, he told
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  Speaker 1: Fox News on Saturday. One of my children, the youngest one,
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  Speaker 1: is going to go stay with the family as they're
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  Speaker 1: going to have the normal type of Christmas. She deserves that.
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  Speaker 1: But for us, we can't do that. It's too close
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  Speaker 1: to our heart. How do you have celebrations like this
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  Speaker 1: when you've lost two of your favorite people in the world?
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  Speaker 1: As well as losing his 21-year-old daughter in the quadruple homicide, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves also lost Madison Mogan, his daughter's best friend, who
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  Speaker 1: the family saw as one of their own. We know
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  Speaker 1: that the families have already had to spend Thanksgiving without
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  Speaker 1: their loved ones, but now, with Christmas rolling around, and
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  Speaker 1: all of this settling in and their new reality becoming
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  Speaker 1: reality it has to be such a difficult thing to
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  Speaker 1: come to grips with and try to understand and make
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  Speaker 1: sense of because there's no way to make sense of it, right?
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  Speaker 1: four young people murdered in their beds while they're sleeping
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  Speaker 1: nobody can make that make sense more than 10,000 tips
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  Speaker 1: received in the case More than 10,000 tips have so
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: far been received from the public throughout the investigation into
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: the murders of the four University of Idaho students. The
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: number of tips and leads that have come in as
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: part of the investigation has hit the 10,000 mark, Moscow
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: police said in a press release on Monday. Investigators continue
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: to have the same level of resources, including a dedicated
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: team reviewing digital content. Digital submissions of tips and leads
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: are not made public by investigators, as part of the
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: ongoing investigation and commitment to keep information safe because it
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: can be a powerful tool in the investigation process. And
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: they've been adamant about that from the very beginning and
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: they are not wrong. Keeping things close to your vest
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: is the right way to go about an investigation like
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: this when it has to do with the integrity of
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: the investigation. But not every piece of information is a
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  Speaker 1: part of that integrity, right? And if you're going to
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  Speaker 1: give the press information, you have to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: before the press knows, the victim's families know. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's usually standard operating procedure. And it's the decent thing
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  Speaker 1: to do. Do you want these families to find out
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  Speaker 1: in the media information about how their loved ones were
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  Speaker 1: killed or anything else? Of course not. You make sure
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  Speaker 1: the families know first before you let the press know.
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  Speaker 1: Progress made in search for the white car. Moscow police
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  Speaker 1: have said that progress has now been made in the
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  Speaker 1: hunt for the mystery cars spotted at the crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty vague. That's a pretty open-ended statement, right? What
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  Speaker 1: kind of progress? Does that mean that you've went through
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  Speaker 1: more videos? Does that mean you've zeroed in on one
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  Speaker 1: or two people or a vehicle or two? What does
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  Speaker 1: that even mean? For almost two weeks, police have been
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  Speaker 1: searching for the occupant or occupants of a white Hyundai Elantra,
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  Speaker 1: seen in the immediate area of the King Road home
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  Speaker 1: at the time of the murders. Investigators believe that the
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  Speaker 1: individuals in the car may have critical information to share
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  Speaker 1: regarding the case and are asking for the public's help
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  Speaker 1: in tracking them down. In a press release on Monday,
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  Speaker 1: Moscow police said that progress has been made in the
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  Speaker 1: search for the vehicle. Progress continues to be made in
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  Speaker 1: finding information about a white 2011 through 2013 Hyundai Elantra
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  Speaker 1: In the immediate area of the King Road residence during
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  Speaker 1: the early morning hours of November 13th, the department said
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  Speaker 1: in a statement, Investigators continue to believe the occupant or
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  Speaker 1: occupants of this vehicle may have critical information to share
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  Speaker 1: regarding this case. And that's been their standard since we've
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  Speaker 1: heard about the cilantro. That the occupant or the occupants
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  Speaker 1: might have information that proves critical to this case. And
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  Speaker 1: that's as far as they've been willing to go. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know if the person or persons inside of
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  Speaker 1: this vehicle are considered suspects behind the scenes, but so
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  Speaker 1: far publicly, that has not been the case. They're looking
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  Speaker 1: for this white Hyundai Elantra, and that's as far as
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  Speaker 1: they're willing to go as far as the official narrative.
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  Speaker 1: But with them having the information about this Elantra for
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  Speaker 1: all of this time, I find it hard to believe
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  Speaker 1: that they haven't checked all of the low hanging fruit
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  Speaker 1: and all of the Elantras or vehicles that would be
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  Speaker 1: the most obvious. And once you run out of those
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  Speaker 1: and you're done looking at registered users, where does that
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  Speaker 1: leave us? Police defend handling of the investigation. Amid growing
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  Speaker 1: criticism from the victim's family and the public that not
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  Speaker 1: enough information is being shared about the case, Moscow police
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  Speaker 1: have reiterated their commitment to maintaining the integrity of the
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  Speaker 1: investigation and only releasing details that do not hinder the probe.
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  Speaker 1: Captain Roger Lanier said last week that police do have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of information that they're choosing not to release
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  Speaker 1: to the public. We're not releasing specific details because we
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  Speaker 1: do not want to compromise this investigation, he said in
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  Speaker 1: a video statement. We owe that to the families and
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  Speaker 1: we owe that to the victims. We want more than
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  Speaker 1: just an arrest. We want a conviction. And that's great.
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody's on the same page there. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know anyone who's deviating from that course. Everybody wants the
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  Speaker 1: person or persons responsible here to be brought to justice
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  Speaker 1: and for these families to get whatever closure that they
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  Speaker 1: can get from that justice being served. Police see surveillance
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  Speaker 1: from day one. Moscow Police Captain Roger Lanier said that
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement officials investigating the brutal murders began gathering surveillance
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  Speaker 1: footage from day one. Last week, Mr. Lanier said that
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  Speaker 1: responding officers had identified certain residences with video recording devices
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  Speaker 1: on the day of the crime as part of the
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  Speaker 1: department's standard procedures. He said that footage from businesses and
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  Speaker 1: homes across Moscow has been seized. We started collecting video
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  Speaker 1: evidence the day of the crime, Captain Lanier said. And
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  Speaker 1: then that expanded as we got more investigators to the
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  Speaker 1: area for assistance and we started putting together teams. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what happened to the gas station? Why did the gas
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  Speaker 1: station clerk have to go through that video themselves and
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  Speaker 1: say that they found some footage of a white car
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  Speaker 1: in it? Why weren't investigators there at this gas station
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  Speaker 1: that day? We're talking about one mile away and it
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  Speaker 1: took them, what, all these weeks? And the surveillance worker?
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  Speaker 1: to go through the video themselves for them to get
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  Speaker 1: possession of that video? He says right here that they
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  Speaker 1: were going around collecting this surveillance video, how they missed
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  Speaker 1: the gas station. He added, one of our team's sole
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  Speaker 1: jobs was to go around the King Road area, associated neighborhoods,
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  Speaker 1: and eventually the thoroughfares in the city of Moscow, trying
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  Speaker 1: to identify video. I mean, I guess they missed the
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  Speaker 1: gas station. That wasn't on their route or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: And they just forgot to go get the video from there.
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  Speaker 1: And it's little things like this that add up and
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  Speaker 1: make people question what's going on over here. And when
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  Speaker 1: you're under the microscope at a national hell world level,
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  Speaker 1: like they are in Idaho, they can't afford to have
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  Speaker 1: missteps and they can't afford to miss things like that.
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  Speaker 1: Especially when they say, oh, we've had these surveillance teams
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  Speaker 1: out there pounding the pavement. And then we hear about
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  Speaker 1: this gas station that they missed. It makes you ask yourself,
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  Speaker 1: what else did they miss? Did they miss other surveillance
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  Speaker 1: video that might be gone now? Were they not able
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  Speaker 1: to secure evidence that should have been secured directly after
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  Speaker 1: these murders took place? And look, I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 1: that occurred. These are just questions that people are going
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  Speaker 1: to have as this investigation continues to roll on. And
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  Speaker 1: as days turn into weeks and weeks turn into months,
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  Speaker 1: the pressure is only going to intensify. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. If you'd
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• 12:57
  Speaker 1: I discussed can be found in the description box. Everyone,
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Today, we're going to
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: dive right back into the headlines of from overnight, and
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: see where things currently stand. And to do that, once again,
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: we'll be diving right into The Independent. Headline, Idaho Murders Update.
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: Moscow police say progress has been made in hunt for
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: mystery car seen at crime scene. This article was authored
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: by Rachel Sharp and Andrea Blanco. Investigators trying to track
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: down the killer of four University of Idaho students have
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: said that progress has now been made in the hunt
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: for a mystery car spotted at the crime scene. Alright,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: whatever that means, progress has been made, folks, so hopefully
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: that means they're a little bit closer to finding whoever
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: did this. For almost two weeks, police have been searching
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: for the occupant or occupants of a white Hyundai Elantra
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: seen in the immediate area of the King Road home
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: at the time of the murders. Now, we've talked about
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: this in depth at this point, and I really don't
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: believe that this Hyundai belongs to anyone in the community
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: or anyone in the scope of where this investigation is
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: currently being hatched. If somebody owned this Hyundai, they would
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: have already found them, I think. And I know that
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: they have a lot to go through, but I find
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: it hard to believe with all of the attention on
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: this case that nobody has called in and said, hey, look,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: my neighbor has this exact car. They've been gone. You know,
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: we haven't heard anything like that. And they're still putting
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: in APB out on this white Hyundai Elantra and asking
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: for public tips. So for me, anyway, that leads me
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: to believe that they just don't have anything solid yet.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: On Monday, Moscow police said that progress continues to be
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: made in finding information about the vehicle with more than 10,000
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: tips so far received from the public throughout the murder investigation.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: And that's a good thing. The more tips, the better.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: I know there's people out there who have a different opinion,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: and that's fine. But for me, I think the more
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: information you get about something, the more context there is,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: the more meat on the bone, the better off you're
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: going to be. And the better you're going to understand
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: whatever it is in front of you. Who wants to
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: go in with half the knowledge? So if you have
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: as much information as possible, as much context as possible,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: you're going to have a better chance at finding the
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: person or persons who are responsible for this. And that's
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: why I still think a reward is a good idea.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: While more FBI agents have been assigned to the case
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: this week, an attorney for Kaylee Gonsalves' family expressed a
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: lack of confidence in law enforcement's ability to catch the killer. Now,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: there's people that are saying that the FBI agents were
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: added on because of the holidays so that they could
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: rotate out other agents. And that's a possibility, but they
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: also said that they were expanding the investigation, didn't they?
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: And if that's the case, they're going to need more agents.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: And the more agents that are added to this, meaning
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: FBI agents, the more I'm convinced that they're looking for
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: some kind of random maniac here. More than five weeks
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: have now passed since Gonsalves, her roommate Madison Mogan and
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Kernodle's boyfriend Ethan Chapin were brutally stabbed
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: to death inside an off-campus rental home in Moscow on
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: November 13th. No murder weapon has been found, no suspects
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: have been identified, and no arrests have been made. Victims'
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: families say they can't celebrate Christmas without her. And my
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: guess is this is the sentiment of all of these families.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Imagine rolling into the holidays, knowing that your loved one
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: isn't going to be there because some madman murdered them.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine the grief that all of these families
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: are experiencing right now. Kelly Gonzalez's father said that the
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: family won't be able to celebrate Christmas this year as
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: he is about to face the first holiday season without
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: his 21-year-old daughter. To be honest, we're not even really
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: going to have a Christmas because you just can't get
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: yourself there to where it would make sense, he told
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Fox News on Saturday. One of my children, the youngest one,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: is going to go stay with the family as they're
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: going to have the normal type of Christmas. She deserves that.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: But for us, we can't do that. It's too close
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to our heart. How do you have celebrations like this
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: when you've lost two of your favorite people in the world?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: As well as losing his 21-year-old daughter in the quadruple homicide, Mr.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Gonsalves also lost Madison Mogan, his daughter's best friend, who
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the family saw as one of their own. We know
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: that the families have already had to spend Thanksgiving without
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: their loved ones, But now, with Christmas rolling around and
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: all of this settling in and their new reality becoming reality,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: it has to be such a difficult thing to come
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: to grips with and to try to understand and make
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: sense of. Because there's no way to make sense of it, right?
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Four young people murdered in their beds while they're sleeping?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Nobody can make that make sense. More than 10,000 tips
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: received in the case. More than 10,000 tips have so
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: far been received from the public throughout the investigation into
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the murders of the four University of Idaho students. The
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: number of tips and leads that have come in as
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: part of the investigation has hit the 10,000 mark, Moscow
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: police said in a press release on Monday. Investigators continue
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: to have the same level of resources, including a dedicated
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: team reviewing digital content. Digital submissions of tips and leads
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: are not made public by investigators, as part of the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: ongoing investigation and commitment to keep information safe because it
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: can be a powerful tool in the investigation process. And
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: they've been adamant about that from the very beginning and
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: they are not wrong. Keeping things close to your vest
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: is the right way to go about an investigation like
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: this when it has to do with the integrity of
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the investigation. But not every piece of information is a
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: part of that integrity, right? And if you're going to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: give the press information, you have to make sure that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: before the press knows, the victim's families know. I mean,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that's usually standard operating procedure and it's the decent thing
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to do. Do you want these families to find out
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: in the media information about how their loved ones were
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: killed or anything else? Of course not. You make sure
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the families know first before you let the press know.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Progress made in search for the white car. Moscow police
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: have said that progress has now been made in the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: hunt for the mystery car spotted at the crime scene.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: That's pretty vague. That's a pretty open-ended statement, right? What
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: kind of progress? Does that mean that you've went through
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: more videos? Does that mean you've zeroed in on one
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: or two people or a vehicle or two? What does
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: that even mean? For almost two weeks, police have been
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: searching for the occupant or occupants of a white Hyundai
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Elantra seen in the immediate area of the King Road
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: home at the time of the murders. Investigators believe that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the individuals in the car may have critical information to
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: share regarding the case and are asking for the public's
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: help in tracking them down. In a press release on Monday,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Moscow police said that progress has been made in the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: search for the vehicle. Progress continues to be made in
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: finding information about a white 2011 through 2013 Hyundai Elantra
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: in the immediate area of the King Road residence during
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the early morning hours of November 13th, the department said
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: in a statement. Investigators continue to believe the occupant or
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: occupants of this vehicle may have critical information to share
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: regarding this case. And that's been their standard since we've
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: heard about this Elantra. that the occupant or the occupants
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: might have information that proves critical to this case. And
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that's as far as they've been willing to go. Now,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: we don't know if the person or persons inside of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: this vehicle are considered suspects behind the scenes, but so
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: far publicly, that has not been the case. They're looking
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: for this white Hyundai Elantra, and that's as far as
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: they're willing to go as far as the official narrative.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: But with them having the information about this Elantra for
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: all of this time, I find it hard to believe
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that they haven't checked all of the low-hanging fruit and
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: all of the Elantras or vehicles that would be the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: most obvious. And once you run out of those and
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you're done looking at registered users, where does that leave us?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Police defend handling of the investigation. Amid growing criticism from
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the victim's family and the public, that not enough information
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: is being shared about the case, Moscow police have reiterated
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: their commitment to maintaining the integrity of the investigation and
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: only releasing details that do not hinder the probe. Captain
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Roger Lanier said last week that police do have a
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: lot of information that they're choosing not to release to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the public. We're not releasing specific details because we do
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: not want to compromise this investigation, he said in a
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: video statement. We owe that to the families and we
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: owe that to the victims. We want more than just
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: an arrest. We want a conviction. And that's great. I
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: think everybody's on the same page there. I don't know
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: anyone who's deviating from that course. Everybody wants the person
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: or persons responsible here to be brought to justice and
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: for these families to get whatever closure that they can
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: get from that justice being served. Police see surveillance from
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: day one. Moscow Police Captain Roger Lanier said that law
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: enforcement officials investigating the brutal murders began gathering surveillance footage
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: from day one. Last week, Mr. Lanier said that responding
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: officers had identified certain residences with video recording devices on
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the day of the crime as part of the department's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: standard procedures. He said that footage from businesses and homes
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: across Moscow has been seized. We started collecting video evidence
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the day of the crime, Captain Lanier said. And then
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that expanded as we got more investigators to the area
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: for assistance and we started putting together teams. Well, what
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: happened to the gas station? Why did the gas station
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: clerk have to go through that video themselves and say
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that they found some footage of a white car in it?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Why weren't investigators there at this gas station that day?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: We're talking about one mile away and it took them, what,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: all these weeks? And the surveillance worker? to go through
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the video themselves for them to get possession of that video?
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: He says right here that they were going around collecting
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: this surveillance video. How'd they miss the gas station? He added,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: one of our team's sole jobs was to go around
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the King Road area, associated neighborhoods, and eventually the thoroughfares
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: in the city of Moscow trying to identify video. I mean,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I guess they missed the gas station. That wasn't on
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: their route or something like that. And they just forgot
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to go get the video from there. And it's little
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: things like this that add up and make people question
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: what's going on over here. And when you're under the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: microscope at a national, hell, world level, like they are
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: in Idaho, they can't afford to have missteps. And they
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: can't afford to miss things like that. Especially when they say, oh,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: we've had these surveillance teams out there pounding the pavement.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: And then we hear about this gas station that they missed.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: It makes you ask yourself, what else did they miss?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Did they miss other surveillance video that might be gone now?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Were they not able to secure evidence that should have
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: been secured directly after these murders took place? And look,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that occurred. These are just questions
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: that people are going to have as this investigation continues
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to roll on. And as days turn into weeks and
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: weeks turn into months, the pressure is only going to intensify.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
• 25:41
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• 25:43
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• 25:52
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• 25:59
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• 26:03
  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the program. Aaron Snell,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: who was involved in the investigation in Idaho, and who
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: is the spokesman for the Idaho Police Department in this matter,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: has given an interview to the Daily Mail, and he
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: had some pretty interesting things to say. So let's not
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: waste any time with any preamble here. Let's just dive
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: right into this article, and let's see what's up. Headline, exclusive.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It's a delicate question. Police continue to insist Idaho killings
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: were targeted, but refuse to say, which student was the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: intended victim. As they admit, they can't confirm if murdered
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Kaylee had a stalker. And I think that's going to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: be a big portion of this case, folks, this investigation.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: If she had a stalker, obviously, that's somebody that has
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: to be looked at right away and somebody who has
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to be in the crosshairs of the investigation. But what
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: if it comes back that they can't corroborate that and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: she didn't have a stalker? Do the police have anything
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: else to go on? Do they have any other leads?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing with BAU there, they're building a criminal profile
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: for who this person or these persons might be. But man,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: oh man, this is one of the most confusing cases
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And I'll tell you what, I was
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: reading today and there was somebody talking about some wild
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: ass theory about, oh, it's a cartel hit or, and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you folks, this is the furthest
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: thing from a cartel hit. That is just completely absurd.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: And for those of you who follow my work, you
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: know I do a lot of work covering the cartels
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and their behavior and the way they go about their business.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And this has none of the hallmarks of the way
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: they get down. That sort of stuff is just so
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: ridiculous to me that it's almost not even worth mentioning.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: But I saw it multiple times today. And I even
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: received an email about it. And they were asking me,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: you know, what my opinion on something like that would
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: be and if I thought it would be possible. So
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: let me just address that real quick and let me
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: be very clear. There is no way, in my opinion anyway,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that that has anything to do with what happened here.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: If you follow what the cartels do and how they operate,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: this isn't what they do. Especially in America. Four college
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: students in a town like this? Zero chance. It would
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: be the person who wronged them. That person would end
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: up missing. They'd probably end up in a vat of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: acid somewhere after they had their hands and feet cut
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: off on a video that you can find on Narco
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: footage because that's how the cartels roll. So of all
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of the theories and speculation that I've heard so far,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that has to be the most ridiculous of any of it.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: So I wanted to just talk about that real quick and,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: you know, give my opinion on that considering I was
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: asked several times today. All right, so to the article.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Ruth Stiles. Police investigating the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: deaths of four University of Idaho students who died in
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: a horror knife attack earlier this month have insisted at
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: least one of the victims was targeted, but refused to
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: say which of the friends could have been the focus
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: of the attack. And they have been very close to
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the vest with that information. My guess is because only
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the killer knows that, right? So they don't want to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: give the killer any information or any sort of details
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: about what they have going on as far as the investigations.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: bring them to justice. Speaking in an exclusive interview with DailyMail.com,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell, 49, said it's possible
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: all four victims could have been the intended targets of
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the gruesome November 13th stabbings. Now that's interesting for sure.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Because we were working on the premise that only one
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: of these girls was targeted. And that was based on
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the circumstantial evidence that was available. Now, could it be
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: multiple girls targeted? Very possible. And if we're talking about
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a stalker, and that's the speculation that we're going with,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I would think one of the places to look is
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the restaurant that they worked at, the Mad Greek. Its location,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: how transient a place like that could be. And it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: weird that we haven't heard from anybody that works with them, right?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've heard anything as far as interviews
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: go with ex-employees or coworkers or anything like that. Now,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: maybe the police have asked them not to do that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know one way or the other. But usually
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you hear from people who might have worked with these
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: folks or, you know, whatever it might be. And we
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: really haven't heard too much of that. Now, we've heard
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: some interviews with people who said they saw them that night.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: The one guy, Vidot, who gave the interview, talking about
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: how they were drunk at the food truck and all
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: the rest of the nonsense. But we haven't really heard
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: from like their friends, right? Their friend group. He confirmed
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: investigators have gathered enough evidence to suggest the killings were targeted,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: but admitted they are still no closer to identifying the murderer. Well,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: no closer to telling us who they think the murderer is.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Who knows what they have going on behind the scenes.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: But as far as the public's concerned, This investigation's stuck
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: in the mud right now. And with all of the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: kids coming back to campus, everybody's nerves are on edge.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: We still believe it was a targeted attack based on
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: the evidence at the scene and how everything developed, what
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: we know. We believe that's accurate, he said. It comes
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: days after the Moscow Police Department revealed it had received
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: hundreds of pieces of information that suggested one of the victims,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: 21-year-old Kaylee Gonsalves, had a stalker. However... authorities are yet
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: to corroborate the theory. Now, this looks like a likely theory, right?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: When you look at all of the speculation, all of
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the theories that have been put forward, the thing that
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: stands out to me the most, if it's not somebody
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: like her ex-boyfriend, who the police have ruled out, then
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: we have to move to the next phase, a stalker
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: or a sicko or something like that. So this definitely
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: holds water. And I'm leaning more towards this than anything else,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: but that's only based on what we know. And as
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: we learn more, obviously, my opinion is going to change, probably.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Because one thing I know for sure about this case
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: is that none of us know shit. All we know
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: is what we can piece together and what sort of
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: information they have let trickle out. Besides that, everything is
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: pure speculation. Snell said the theory plays into the notion
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that one of the four was targeted, but refused to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: say which of the victims... least believed to be the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: target describing it as a delicate question well yeah pretty
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: delicate considering you guys have skirted around it quite a
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: bit at this point every single time it's brought up
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: the topic gets changed or it's a simple we can't
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: corroborate that so it looks to me that this is
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: one of those theories one of those roads of investigation
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that might be bearing a little bit of fruit now
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: is that going to be the kind of fruit that's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: ripe and ready I have no idea. He said that's
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: part of the ongoing investigation. That's a real delicate question.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: And when we're able to say that, or if we're
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: able to say that, we'll definitely do that. It's very
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: similar to the whole stalking, right? Potentially, if there was
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: a stalker, that would be somebody of extreme interest. You
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: can't lay all of your cards out at once. We're
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: trying to find the various potential participants. And look, I
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: have no doubt that they're trying to do that. I
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: think that they're working hard as hell right now. Everybody involved.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants this person to go without facing justice. But
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I do question not only the wording, but how things
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: went down in the first few days when all of
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: this first happened. We all know that those first 48
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: hours are crucial. You know, it's in the first hour
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: or so after the investigators get there, you're talking about
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: like the golden hour, right? So it's crucial that everything
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: is preserved and everything is legit. And the evidence is
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: there to collect. And as far as criticism, at least
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: from me over here in the peanut gallery, because guess what?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: These dudes are actually doing the work and I'm not.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: But my criticism is simply that. The beginning of this
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: investigation and then the messaging. Besides that, I'm really in
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: no place to criticize anybody, right? I'm, what, 14 hours
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: away by car. So I don't know what's going on
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: on the ground. I don't know what they're doing in
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the back of the room when they're going through evidence.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: So for me, the best way to look at things
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: like this and the best way to follow cases like
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: this is just be ready to bend. You never know
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: when new evidence is going to pop up that can
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: lead you down a different road. So I'm ready and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: willing to look at all evidence here because I am
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the first one to tell you I don't have any
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: idea what's going on. You know, there's a lot of
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: people out there that have some real strong speculation that
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: they're convinced it's one thing or the other. And I
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: just don't know how you can get to that point
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: right now, anyway, without the evidence and the context and
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: all of the stuff that you need to make a solid,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you know, guess here or at the very least hypothesize
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: about who might. Kaylee, her best friend, Madison Mogan, and
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: young couple Zanna Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were all found
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: stabbed to death in their off-campus rental house in Moscow, Idaho,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: on the morning of November 13th. with a 911 call
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: reporting an unconscious person dialed at 11.38 a.m. Kaylee and
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Madison were found on the top floor of the property,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: while Ethan and Zanna were found on the second level. Well,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: that's the first I heard of that, so I'll take
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that with a grain of salt until I can confirm that, folks.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I'm the kind of guy that I'm a trust-but-verify kind
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: of person, and the Daily Mail usually does good work
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: when we're talking about these cases as far as murders
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that, So they're usually spot on. Now,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: how they get that information? Well, that's questionable sometimes, but
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: they do have good, solid information usually. So if they're
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: saying that that's the case and it does make sense
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: considering their living arrangement, then it looks like Kaylee and
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Madison were on the top floor and Ethan and Zanna
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: were found on the second floor. Two roommates, Dylan Mortensen
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and Bethany Funk, both 19, were in the home at
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the time of the murders and had bedrooms on the
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: ground floor, but managed to escape death. Kaylee's dog, Murphy,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: which had been at the home, also survived the slayings
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and is now living with her boyfriend, her ex-boyfriend, Jack D,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and his family. Seen in an exclusive DailyMail.com photos, Jack
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: had dated Kaylee for six years and was possibly the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: last person to speak with her. with multiple calls placed
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to his number by Madison and Kaylee hours before they died.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: And folks, go back and listen to those first couple
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: of episodes before we had context here. I was sure
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: that it was going to end up being this guy.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, talk about a coincidence. One thing I have
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: learned in the Jeffrey Epstein case for sure is there
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: are no coincidences. But here, this is one hell of
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a coincidence, right? This guy called nine times. And I
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: know people have tried to explain it away by saying, oh, well,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that's the way Kaylee was. She called people multiple times
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: like that. But without having that kind of context or
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: having that kind of information, the first thing people thought was, damn,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: it has to be this Jack guy. And obviously it
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't just me who thought that. But once the police
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: come out and they say, hey, look, this person is
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: no longer somebody who is considered a person who might
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: have done this or they've been ruled out. My guess
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: is the police are saying that for a reason, right?
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not one of these people that just trust the police,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you know, implicitly. But if they're saying they've ruled somebody out,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: then I think we have to take them at their
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: word at this point. The 22-year-old has since been ruled
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: out as a suspect by police and has been too
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: heartbroken to speak, with his mother telling DailyMail.com that the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: family intends to stay silent out of respect for Kaylee's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: parents and siblings. Nothing wrong with that. And if this
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: kid had nothing to do with it like the police
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: say he didn't, then people should leave him alone, let
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: him grieve. Moscow Police Chief James Fry had initially made
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the claim that the gruesome murders were not random attacks
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: days after the killings, without further explaining, and was later
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: forced to backtrack after saying there was no risk to
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the wider community. The chief, he stands by that. One,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: if not all, was targeted, and there is evidence for
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that based on what we have seen at the scene,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Snell said. That is accurate. If that does change, we'll
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: fall on the sword and say that has changed. Well,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: why'd you walk it back again, Mr. Snell? Look, I
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: know you have a hard job, my guy. I know
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: this can't be fun for you. but you have to
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: make sure your messaging is on point. And if Chief
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Fry isn't somebody who should be in front of the microphone,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Snell added, Is there a threat to the community? I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: think we've been pretty consistent over the past week that yes, indeed.
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  Speaker 1: We know that somewhere in someone's community, possibly this community, Moscow,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: there is a person or persons who have committed multiple murders.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Is there a threat to the community? Yes, there is.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Is there somebody out there? Yes. Our goal is to
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: find that person and bring them to justice. Now, if
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: that would have been the message from the very beginning,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: me and my fat yap wouldn't have been running about
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: that part of it. Because I think that was a
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: big fumble the ball moment. And when you give that
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: perception that you're in over your head right from Jump Street,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: people are going to keep that perception of the investigation,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: even if it's unnecessary or it's unwarranted. In a wide
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: ranging interview, Snell also said police have now largely finished
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: with the crime scene, but continue to hold it in
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: case further investigation is needed. He noted that police have
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: been unable to corroborate reports that Gonsalves had a stalker
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: and told how investigators had worked through Thanksgiving in a
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: desperate bid to solve the case. Well, that's awesome. I'm
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: glad they worked through Thanksgiving, but not for nothing. Up
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: until I started working for myself, I worked during Thanksgiving
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: every year of my life pretty much here in Las Vegas.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, there wasn't a Thanksgiving when your boy didn't
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: have a concert or I didn't have something going on
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: in the sports book. So... awesome that you guys work
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: through Thanksgiving, but I'd expect that in a case like this.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: He also said police are looking at the relationships between
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the four victims and anyone they had recently come in
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: contact with in hopes of finding something that could crack
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: the case. Police have been delving into the circumstances surrounding
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the murders of the four students for over two weeks.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Cops arrived to discover a scene where of utter carnage
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: that a source close to the investigation later described as
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: one of the worst we've ever seen. And I don't
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: doubt that for a minute. Look, this is brutal. When
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: you use a knife to kill people, it is very
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: up close, it's personal, and it is the sign that
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: somebody had some sort of perceived gripe. Because normal people,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: they don't do this. And back to the start of
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the podcast when we were first talking today, If it
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: was a cartel hit, do you really think they're showing
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: up with knives? They would show up with guns and
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: they'd kill people in their beds as they slept if
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: they wanted to do it that way. But knives, that's
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: much more of an up close and personal, like a
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: interpersonal grievance type of deal. Snell said most of the
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: forensic work at the house where the students died has
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: been done and revealed plans to release the scene are underway,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: but noted that that it won't be released until police
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: are completely sure there is nothing left to retrieve. He
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: said most of the police work is now being done
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, with crime lab testing and reports a
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: major part of that. Oh, for sure. That's where they're
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: at now. All of the legwork as far as cleaning
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: up the scene, that's pretty much over with. So you
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: collect all that evidence, then you ship it out to forensics,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: then they do their work. They send it back, and
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: then you go from there. Investigations are difficult. Potentially, it
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: could go on for quite a while. But if we
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: have some leads that lead us to a potential suspect,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: and quickly, we don't try and estimate or speculate on
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: the length of the investigations, he told DailyMail.com. So, again,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: not giving us anything, right? This might be a long case.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: We might not have nothing yet. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: all fine and well. Obviously, our goal would have been
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: to solve this last week, so we don't have a timeline.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: We are receiving a lot of quality tips and have
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: done over 150 interviews. So all that information that has
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: been received is building the whole picture. And remember when
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: we first started talking, that's what I said. You have
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: to lay the foundation. It's like building a house. You
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: can't just come in and slap the house up and
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: hope everything works out well. You have to have a
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: nice solid foundation. And you have to make sure that
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: you don't have a flimsy conviction that's going to get
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: tossed on appeal. Since we don't have a suspect at
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: this time and we don't have a weapon, it's really
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: difficult to find out what happened. So, what we have
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: to do is try and build this picture of what
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: occurred on that night. The relationships the four of them had.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Was there anything suspicious in those? Are there any tidbits
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: of information we can draw from that? Did anything occur
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: in the evening of that night? Was there anything out
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: of the ordinary that occurred to them? And the movements
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: of the residents themselves. And this is all very, very...
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Basic police work, but it's the most important stuff. You
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: can't forget the basics, right? Isn't that what people always say?
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Don't forget the basics. And it's worth double when you're
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: talking about an investigation. Despite the difficulties, Snell said he
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: is confident police will eventually unravel the mystery of what
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: happened and bring the killer to justice. He said, We
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: have not identified anybody who was involved in this, so
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: we for sure do not want to say we think
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: they came through whatever door and did this because once
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: we do that, we start going down a rabbit hole.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: And then all these ancillary facts that might point to
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: something else, then maybe we would miss those. Investigators truly
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: are doing a phenomenal job. All the debriefs and stuff
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: we do upstairs, they really are talking about this entire picture.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: They're trying to not get pigeonholed into all these various
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: theories and motives because we're not entirely sure what they
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: are right now. And this is what I've been stressing
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: from the jump. We don't know enough to put a
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: vibrant picture together, a big robust piece. What we have
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: here is just tidbits and not even a piece of
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: a corner of the puzzle has been built out. Once
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: they get the picture, I think we're going to see something,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: he added. On TV, it's an hour long and you
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: have a solution. We're now into this 11 or 12
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: days and people are frustrated. They want that solution and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: we get that. In a criminal investigation, providing information is delicate.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: We provide it, then potentially we could ruin the investigation
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and the prosecution that we hope to have. That is
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: the ultimate goal. Bring justice through prosecution. And that's for
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: sure 100% the goal, at least here at this podcast.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: That's what I want to see happen. I don't really
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: care about all of the odds and ends, the nuts
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: and bolts. Just be clear. And this is a step
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: in the right direction. This is a good interview from Snell,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: in my opinion. A lot more clear, a lot more concise,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and a lot more on point with the messaging. And
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: if you do that, you're going to stop a lot
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of the confusion. So I hope to hear more of
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: that from Snell and the rest of these guys moving forward.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
• 46:45
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• 46:48
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