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Priscilla Presley fights to save Sheba · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why does and eleven year
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Speaker 1: old have to die? Why? Take a listen to this
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite verses. All things bright and beautiful,
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Speaker 1: all creatures great and small, all things wise and wonderful.
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Speaker 1: The Lord God made them all Our friends lost and
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Speaker 1: Alexander wrote that the eleven year old is Sheba. She's
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Speaker 1: a Germany shepherd. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Meanancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and serious XM one eleven an
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Speaker 1: eleven year old puppy dog, as I call our dog.
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Speaker 1: That boy is to be put to death. But why
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Speaker 1: we begged the county attorney who is arguing that this
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Speaker 1: dog should die, But for some reason, he cited ongoing
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Speaker 1: litigation and he couldn't come on. Now, isn't that quite
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Speaker 1: the coincidinc Why does this dog have to die? I
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Speaker 1: want Sheba to come live with us. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at Katie La. Jose Sanchez,
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Speaker 1: known as Pepe, has overcome with emotion as he talks
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Speaker 1: about his eleven year old dog named Sheba, who has
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Speaker 1: been incarcerated at the Devout Animal Shelter for over a year.
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Speaker 1: My friend he to care of me. In twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 1: Sheba got out of her house and into a fight
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Speaker 1: with a neighborhood dog, resulting in a two hundred dollars
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Speaker 1: VET bill for the other dog's owner. She was declared
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Speaker 1: potentially dangerous by San Bernardino County officials, who place terms
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Speaker 1: and conditions on keeping her. One of those was that
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Speaker 1: she never escape home again. Unfortunately she did, and based
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Speaker 1: on that they can declare her vicious and they may
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Speaker 1: kill her. This dog owner of Pay Pay, and he
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Speaker 1: is a senior, drives forty miles one way, three times
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Speaker 1: a week just to pitt and visit Sheba. And when
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Speaker 1: he gets there he can only be with her for
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Speaker 1: five minutes. He admits Sheba got loose the second time
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Speaker 1: and it was all his fault. But why does she
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Speaker 1: have to die? And why won't the county attorney speak?
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Speaker 1: Why won't he answer the tough questions I have for him? Question?
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Speaker 1: You gotta look at that motive. Joining me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back
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Speaker 1: together again. First of all, joining me, you know her well.
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Speaker 1: She is a renowned animals rights act and a celebrity
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Speaker 1: in many ways. Priscilla Pressley joining us. Bruce Kryder Puppy Coalition,
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Speaker 1: Saving Sheba, Russ Alba, the managing director a black Swan
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Speaker 1: law in Florida. Penny Douglas Furr joining us from the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. She's an animal rights advocate and taking the
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Speaker 1: side of the county attorney Believe it or not. Former
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Speaker 1: prosecutor and now civil and defense attorney Daryl Cohen, Angie Wood,
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta dog Whisperer, dog behaviorist, and Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Dave Mack. Before we get started, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Crime online dot Com. Sheba is an
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Speaker 1: eleven year old German shepherd. Her owner, eighty year old Pepe.
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Speaker 1: Sheba came to the attention of animal control after the
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Speaker 1: shepherd had gotten loose and attacked another dog, but no humans.
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Speaker 1: It happened again in less than a year. There were
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Speaker 1: injuries to the animal in the first incident, but not
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Speaker 1: in the second because the other dog's owner was present
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Speaker 1: and intervened. During this period. Between the two incidents, Peppe
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Speaker 1: was complying with county requirements about Shiba's care. He had
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Speaker 1: to get help reading the notices and he didn't understand
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Speaker 1: the seriousness. That hurts me so much. My mom lives
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Speaker 1: with us now, she's about to turn eighty nine. I
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Speaker 1: have to read her mail to her. I have to
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Speaker 1: dial numbers on the phone, and eighty year old Papa
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Speaker 1: could not read the notices and needed help straight out
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Speaker 1: to Bruce cried or Puppy Coalition trying desperately to save Shiba. Bruce,
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Speaker 1: I don't understand. With so many people willing to take Shiba,
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Speaker 1: why does she have to die? Oh, you can only speculate.
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Speaker 1: I think a few of us believe that because Puppy
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Speaker 1: was difficult to work with from the county standpoint, over
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Speaker 1: the course of a year, that they got an attitude
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Speaker 1: about who they were going to show them who was boss,
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Speaker 1: and so through the sequence of a couple of hearings
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Speaker 1: that resulted in the verdict you know about now, they
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Speaker 1: just decided to throw the book at him. The biggest
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Speaker 1: issue in this really, in terms of the second hearing,
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Speaker 1: is when the hearing officer said, Cuba, I'm declaring that
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Speaker 1: Cuba must be destroyed because we cannot return her to you.
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Speaker 1: And that was never the only option for Sheba Dog.
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Speaker 1: It's only ever been in when dark faced and never
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Speaker 1: bitten a human, never growled at a human, as a
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Speaker 1: lot of options in that county is not offering to
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Speaker 1: her what they offered to many dogs all the time,
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Speaker 1: which is to release them to a rescue to be rehomed,
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Speaker 1: rehabit rehabilitated and live their life. It seems to me,
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Speaker 1: to you, Pursillip Presley animal rites activists, that they are
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Speaker 1: trying to not do what's best for everyone involved, but
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Speaker 1: to punish this eighty year old man. Paype Now, Bruce
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Speaker 1: Kriner just told me that from their point of view,
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Speaker 1: they had problems dealing with Papa, But I don't believe
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Speaker 1: that's true. What happened, miss miss Presley. Well, first of all,
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Speaker 1: I've been with and no Peppy. And Peppy, yes, he
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Speaker 1: is eighty years old. He had just left his wife
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Speaker 1: actually when this happened, and of course he was grieving
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Speaker 1: the loss of his wife, and he didn't he doesn't
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Speaker 1: read really well and doesn't have someone to help him,
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Speaker 1: so I think. And then one of those who at
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Speaker 1: the shelter said that he was going to teach Peppy
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Speaker 1: a lesson. Oh wait a minute, miss Presley, I never
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Speaker 1: thought in my whole life that I would interrupt Priscilla Presley,
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Speaker 1: But did you just say I want to make sure
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Speaker 1: I understand this because this is significant. And Darrell Cohen,
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Speaker 1: I know you're taking the other side, But Penny and Daryl,
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Speaker 1: I think this is very progative. I think it proves something.
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Speaker 1: Did you just say somebody there at the divorce shelter
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Speaker 1: said they were going to teach Peppy a lesson? That's correct? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: right there, Penny, Douglas Fern, give it to me in
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Speaker 1: a nutshell. That is prejudice. You're supposed to be seeking
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Speaker 1: justice and doing the right thing. Even had an animal
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Speaker 1: shelter not trying to teach some eighty year old guy
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Speaker 1: that can't read a lesson. That sounds vindictive. It is
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Speaker 1: very vindictive. And the fact that they didn't bother to
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Speaker 1: follow the law makes it even worse. Absolutely, when you
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Speaker 1: say that it follow the law, Penny, what do you
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Speaker 1: mean exactly speaking, regular people talk under the law. There,
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Speaker 1: if you have a dog and that dog can be rehabilitated,
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Speaker 1: you're not supposed to put the dog to death. You
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Speaker 1: send it to a rescue and let the dog be rehabilitated.
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Speaker 1: This is not a vicious dog. This dog on a
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Speaker 1: fight had two hundred dollars and damages. You know I've
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Speaker 1: had I've dealt with dog fights. I've never had a
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Speaker 1: vet bill under Yeah, you have how many rottweiler's running
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Speaker 1: through your house right now, four or five? But I've
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Speaker 1: never had a vet bill under two thousand dollars. If
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Speaker 1: they get in a fight, a two hundred dollar means
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Speaker 1: a little spat between two dogs. And it's ridiculous because
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Speaker 1: dogs innately will fight with each other. If you have
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Speaker 1: two alpha dogs, and that's just what they do. It's
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Speaker 1: not right to kill the dog over something that they
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Speaker 1: fromantin back to Miss Presley, Priscilla Presley joining us along
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Speaker 1: with Bruce quite Russ, Albert Penny for Daryl co and
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Speaker 1: EGI would it Dave Matt Miss Presley, I hear you
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Speaker 1: saying something as as Penny was talking. What were you saying? No?
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Speaker 1: I I just agreed with her absolutely that you know
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Speaker 1: this uh um brust of all she but they were
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Speaker 1: superficial scribes. You know, um that we required, yes, an
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Speaker 1: examination and cleaning, but the mere fact that you know
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Speaker 1: this dog has been in prison, really in a five
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Speaker 1: by five cage for one over actually a year. So um,
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Speaker 1: this is a good old boys climb. I'm sorry, but
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Speaker 1: they all protect each other and they're they're they're after Yes, Peppie,
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Speaker 1: this is to prove Peppie, you know, is a not
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Speaker 1: suitable to keep keep Sheba now she it was the
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Speaker 1: same dog that Sheba went after the second time, but
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Speaker 1: the as you said earlier, the owner had stopped it.
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Speaker 1: So it was just it's when, like you said earlier,
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Speaker 1: I don't know who the lady who just spoke was
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Speaker 1: dogs that will be dogs. I've had six dogs at
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Speaker 1: one time, and yes, there's the alfa situation here where
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Speaker 1: they will, you know, at any minute, look at one
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Speaker 1: of them and just go after him. You have to
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Speaker 1: be aware, and you know you said something else, miss Present.
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Speaker 1: I want to get to the bottom of it. Bruce Kryer,
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Speaker 1: a Puppy Coalition animal rights activists intent on saving Sheba
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Speaker 1: as am I I'm not going to stand by and
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Speaker 1: do nothing while there's dog. He was never bitten, a
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Speaker 1: person never attacked, A personally got in one dog fight,
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Speaker 1: then gets out a second time, and now the animal's
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Speaker 1: going to get the death penalty. I think it's the
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Speaker 1: first time my life. I've argued against the death penalty.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. We're talking about the fight
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Speaker 1: to save this beautiful, loving, eleven year old puppy dog, Sheba.
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Speaker 1: She's gorgeous. When you see a picture of a German Shepherd,
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Speaker 1: that's her. Beautiful. And when I look at her, she's
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Speaker 1: in a little bitty cage and she's been in that
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Speaker 1: little bitty cage over a year because she got out
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Speaker 1: from her eighty year old owner, Peppy Bruce Chroterer. I
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Speaker 1: keep hearing that the second time the other dog's owner
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Speaker 1: was there. Was the owner not there the first time?
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Speaker 1: I believe that they weren't there immediately to stop anything. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so let me understand this. Both dogs were out without
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Speaker 1: an owner when the first dog fight occurred. And I
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Speaker 1: agree with Priscilla Pressley. I just took the guinea pigs
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Speaker 1: rescue guinea pigs, my daughter was in a guinea pig
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Speaker 1: phase to the vet. They just got a check up.
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Speaker 1: Its three hundred and fifty dollars, so a two hundred
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Speaker 1: dollar vet bill. I'm not impressed. That's basically an examination.
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Speaker 1: As Miss Pressley was saying, another thing, I don't understand,
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Speaker 1: Miss Presley, is why the giving that letter Jackie that
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Speaker 1: the county attorney sent us trying to explain why he
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Speaker 1: can't speak talking about his ethical duty, that he can't
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Speaker 1: speak out about Sheba's case ethics. What about putting the
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Speaker 1: dog to death over nothing? Isn't that an ethical violation?
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Speaker 1: Why won't he speak out? Well, if I can interject, okay, yes,
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Speaker 1: every every attempt that is, we've had to try to
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Speaker 1: communicate with the county, including presentations to the County Board
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Speaker 1: and individually with the chief executives. This falls on death
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Speaker 1: here as they refuse to speak and say and they
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Speaker 1: say they can do nothing because it's in superior court.
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Speaker 1: Well that's not true. That is not true. I know,
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Speaker 1: I know they've said they've been coached to say this
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Speaker 1: matters and litigation. It would be improper to discuss it,
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Speaker 1: which effectively shuts down all ability to resolve anything or
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Speaker 1: to question that. You can't question them because the County
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Speaker 1: attorney is hiding behind an ethical duty and he thinks
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Speaker 1: that's more ethical than putting the dog to death. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, when you were still a prosecutor, you and
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Speaker 1: I grew up as prosecutors in the same office. In
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Speaker 1: inner City Atlanta, and our boss elected DA mister Slayton,
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Speaker 1: did not want us speaking to the press. Why because
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Speaker 1: it could take the jury pools and then you could
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Speaker 1: get the case ending up in a mistrial because you
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Speaker 1: tained the jury pool. There's not going to be a
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Speaker 1: jury here. He's hiding. He doesn't want to face our questions.
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, there's no reason for him not to speak out.
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Speaker 1: But Nancy is a jury. There's the jury of public opinion.
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Speaker 1: He said, Nancy, he's hiding. He is appropriately shielded, not hiding,
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Speaker 1: but he shielded. And he's utalyzing his position because he
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Speaker 1: knows whatever he says is going to be wrong. If
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Speaker 1: he says that Sheba needs to die because she bit
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Speaker 1: that other dog and tear it, tore it up. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, was there he didn't tear the dog up? Well,
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Speaker 1: how do we know that? I think they do know.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, miss Presley, No, the dog, it was just
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Speaker 1: scrabed two hundred dollars. I didn't do it. And not
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Speaker 1: only that, I must say, the owners of that dog
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Speaker 1: do not want Sheba to be put down. And it's
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Speaker 1: in writing. Look for this eyes of the other dog,
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Speaker 1: the size of the other dog. You know, Daryl can go.
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Speaker 1: I gotta get you back. Cutting is like Jackie, you
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Speaker 1: need to get out of the weeds and back in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the road. Daryl Cohen, you've gone off
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Speaker 1: the deep end. What size was the other dog who
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Speaker 1: gets a flying fig? The reality is the other dog
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Speaker 1: was not horribly hurt. That was an exam two hundred dollars.
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Speaker 1: Are you serious? I can charge that up at the
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Speaker 1: Kroger for Pete's sake. Nancy. Maybe he is like, why
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Speaker 1: is he still talking? Okay? I want to get back
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Speaker 1: to the facts. To Dave Mac, Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, So let me understand. Actually, Dave Mac, let
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Speaker 1: me throw this to Bruce Kryder because he's there on
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Speaker 1: the scene right now. Bruce, isn't it true that the
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Speaker 1: dog gets out, she gets out, she starts a fight
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Speaker 1: with a neighbor dog, or she gets in a flight.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who started it. That's true. The other
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Speaker 1: dog goes for an exam, it's two hundred dollars. There's
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Speaker 1: no stitches, nothing, She goes back to no stitches. All
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Speaker 1: I know is that the case was minor. Was a
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Speaker 1: total of two hundred dollars and and I believe that
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Speaker 1: Peppie actually even paid part of that. So the dog
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Speaker 1: goes back to Peppy Pepe and then the eighty year
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Speaker 1: old owner of Peppi. The dog gets out again. Right
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Speaker 1: the second time, she does no harm, but I just
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Speaker 1: can I need to go include something ancy please the
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Speaker 1: other dog. The other dog is a yapper, Mark Sparks,
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Speaker 1: Mark Sparks, so obviously that is to another dog. It's
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Speaker 1: like an open invitation. I want to come after me.
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Speaker 1: I hear you. To Auntie Wood, the Atlanta dog wiper
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Speaker 1: at uskanhind dot com, explain what miss miss Priscilla Presley
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Speaker 1: just said. Yes, Miss Priscilla, you are correct because what
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Speaker 1: it does it arouses the other dog and ken and
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Speaker 1: many times when the one dog is working at another dog,
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Speaker 1: they're challenging that dog, right, so therefore many times to
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Speaker 1: fight willing sue especial if dogs are off the leash. Right.
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Speaker 1: You know, my little dog, miss Presley, is well, they
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Speaker 1: told me at the pound he was a full Thoroughbred docksin.
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Speaker 1: He is a Thoroughbred mutt okay, and he's very short,
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Speaker 1: but he doesn't know that he's short when we take
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Speaker 1: him on a walk for about two miles. He growls
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Speaker 1: at other dogs, not people. He wants everybody into pat him,
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Speaker 1: but he'll growl at another dog, even big ones like
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Speaker 1: great dangs like Scooby Doo dogs. Yeah. You know what
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Speaker 1: if someone tried to put my little fat boy to sleep,
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Speaker 1: which is a nice way of saying kill. Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: I believe, actually, Nancy, it was a docksin, right, Bruce,
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Speaker 1: I believe. So, yeah, yeah, that's how you went after
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Speaker 1: and Dodson's Yes, I did. I have one myself. I
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Speaker 1: have a little long haired jack Russell and I had
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Speaker 1: a pit. My pit is the sweetest dog ever, and
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Speaker 1: the Jack Russell's all over him, barking, barking all the time.
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Speaker 1: And yes, I get no little discussle, and I have
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Speaker 1: to stop it. It's an open invitation straight out to
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Speaker 1: managing director black Swan Law in Florida, Russ Alba. How
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Speaker 1: does a busy white collar crime expert like yourself get
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Speaker 1: involved with saving a dog? Nancy f For many years,
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Speaker 1: I've been involved with the rescue community, and it's a
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Speaker 1: national network of people that care about animals. And so
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Speaker 1: even though this dog is located in San Bernardino, County, California,
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Speaker 1: which is east of Los Angeles. The network took up
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Speaker 1: their Sheba's cause, and so that's how you found out
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Speaker 1: about it through the network. Sure, yeah, you know what
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Speaker 1: I cut all that, Alba. How many pits do you have, Nancy?
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Speaker 1: What we say is numbers don't matter current count Well,
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Speaker 1: we live in two houses, so we have twelve dogs. Okay.
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Speaker 1: You know I was giving Penny Dougles for a hard time,
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Speaker 1: hard time for having five Rottweilers running through our house
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Speaker 1: at all times. They're huge, and they sleep in the
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Speaker 1: bed with them and she feeds them peanut butter on
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Speaker 1: a spoon. Penny, you know that you do. So you
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Speaker 1: have twelve dogs, not judging, not judging because I started
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Speaker 1: off with one pound puppy, fat Boy, and then somehow
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Speaker 1: we got cinnamon. Now we have two guinea pigs and
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Speaker 1: it's going higher. I promise you. The children want another
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Speaker 1: dog and another cat. But we were talking earlier about
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Speaker 1: how fat Boy is supposed to be a docks and
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Speaker 1: he's not. I don't know what he is, but when
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Speaker 1: I take him on a walk, he growls and carries
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Speaker 1: on it every other dog he sees. He doesn't bite
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Speaker 1: people so this is basically sentencing Sheba to death over
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Speaker 1: one dog fight, and frankly a two hundred dollars Bill,
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Speaker 1: I'm not impressed. That's like you take a look at
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Speaker 1: the dog and say she's fine, goodbye, and that's two
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Yeah. The problem is we really don't know
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Speaker 1: much about the interaction that Sheba had with this other dog.
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Speaker 1: But dogs are awesome reactive against the other dogs, especially
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Speaker 1: if they've been raised or they live on their own,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes the sheer excitement of seeing another dog can
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Speaker 1: be misinterpreted by the other dog as aggression, and so
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Speaker 1: you need to be really careful. That's why I tend
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Speaker 1: to stay away from dog parks, because you never know
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Speaker 1: how dogs are going to interact with each other. Russell,
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Speaker 1: she live in a dog park, Yes, I do, gladly,
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Speaker 1: Miss Presley Peppie drives forty miles one way, three times
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Speaker 1: a week to see Sheba. Yeah, that's true. And not
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Speaker 1: only that, you can't even talk about Shiba cheers ring
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Speaker 1: down his eyes and missus her. He raised her from
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Speaker 1: the seven weeks old, and the departure from from her
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Speaker 1: as him just as much as it has the dogs.
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Speaker 1: When he goes to see her. Sheba comes alive and
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Speaker 1: cries and jumps and wants to be in his arms,
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Speaker 1: and he can only put her through the offensing of
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Speaker 1: the gates where he is at the enclosure, and she
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Speaker 1: can just put her nose in and through the whole,
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Speaker 1: so he can only touch her nose. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our investigative reporter with Crime Online. Sheba was taken
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Speaker 1: from Pepe in June of twenty nineteen. She's been locked
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Speaker 1: up in a small cage in San Bernardino County's infamous
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Speaker 1: Devour Pound ever since, with no blanket, no bed, no toy.
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Speaker 1: For the record, Sheba has no bite history with people.
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Speaker 1: She has only had two incidents with just one neighborhood dog.
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Speaker 1: In particular. The first incident resulted in a vet visit
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Speaker 1: for the other dog. After seeing his dog suffer. The
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Speaker 1: owner has agreed that Sheba would be best off in
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Speaker 1: another setting where she can best recover from a year
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Speaker 1: of neglect in a county pound. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about the impending death penalty for an
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Speaker 1: eleven year old German Shepherd Sheba, who has been by
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Speaker 1: her owner's side for eleven years. He is now eighty.
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Speaker 1: He goes to see her three times a week, telling
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Speaker 1: forty miles one way, forty miles home, and the two
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Speaker 1: of them cry the whole five minutes he gets to
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Speaker 1: pet her. Why you know this dog have to die?
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Speaker 1: I don't understand it. Take a listen to Peppy, Sheba's
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Speaker 1: owner from Pep, help me get my dog bake have
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Speaker 1: had her thirteen years, my life, my life. I need
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Speaker 1: her home. Well we have till the twenty first, Pepe,
22:17
Speaker 1: don't us hope? Okay, okay, just hang in there, buddy,
22:22
Speaker 1: right will I will? You're hearing people from the Chris
22:27
Speaker 1: Kelly Foundation. Take a listen to more Peppy when it
22:30
Speaker 1: is the last time you saw her? To me? And
22:34
Speaker 1: how was your spirit? All right? Mean it's craven good bye?
22:42
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no no, don't say goodbye yet. Though
22:46
Speaker 1: we have printed their Facebook land and I'm hoping that
22:49
Speaker 1: you guys can see Pepe's heart and that we might
22:53
Speaker 1: be able to rally together in order to help Peppy
22:58
Speaker 1: and get his dog back sheep. You know when I
23:03
Speaker 1: go on various programs and I argue the law are
23:06
Speaker 1: the facts. I don't get paid and I don't want
23:09
Speaker 1: to get paid, because I want to always be telling
23:13
Speaker 1: what I believe to be the truth, and this is
23:15
Speaker 1: what I believe to be the truth. You want to
23:18
Speaker 1: do something good today, Try to save this dog and
23:22
Speaker 1: try to help eighty year old Peppi who has all
23:28
Speaker 1: alone now in his home and no one to help him.
23:32
Speaker 1: The number is nine zero nine three eight four five
23:36
Speaker 1: one three three repeat nine zero nine three eight four
23:43
Speaker 1: five one three three. That's the sin, Bernardino, Mayor John Valdivia.
23:50
Speaker 1: Let him know what you think. You know, politicians are
23:53
Speaker 1: no offense politicians, but they do anything they can to
23:56
Speaker 1: get reelected. That's what they're all about. And I hate
23:59
Speaker 1: to throw him in the pot in the stew with
24:01
Speaker 1: everybody else to cook. They are bad politicians. But how
24:04
Speaker 1: on your watch could you let this happen? We still
24:07
Speaker 1: have time to turn it around. I want to go
24:11
Speaker 1: straight back out to Priscilla Presley, renowned animal rights activist.
24:18
Speaker 1: When is the date that Sheba is to be put
24:21
Speaker 1: to death? Well, there is a hearing again um again
24:26
Speaker 1: to save her September the eleventh. That will be the
24:29
Speaker 1: deciding factor. You know, she's been locked up in this
24:32
Speaker 1: cage for in solitary consignment for a year, never haven't
24:36
Speaker 1: been let out of her cage, and then even to
24:37
Speaker 1: walk around, and she's a deacon bolt. She's badly and
24:42
Speaker 1: baddling mentally and physically. And to me, this is a
24:46
Speaker 1: height of animal cruelty. They wouldn't even let her owner
24:48
Speaker 1: go in the cage, you know, to pet her. And
24:51
Speaker 1: this is what I don't understand about the shelter itself.
24:54
Speaker 1: I mean, why be so cruel? Why is this? You know,
24:58
Speaker 1: why does she have to be locked up in this way?
25:00
Speaker 1: This is the owner. He's not going to kill and
25:03
Speaker 1: bite the owner. So yes, this is a plea for
25:08
Speaker 1: people to help us out and to the same ship.
25:11
Speaker 1: And yes, we'll relocate her hopefully maybe because by where
25:16
Speaker 1: that we can see her and she can leave out
25:19
Speaker 1: her life. Be sure, she really doesn't have much longer,
25:24
Speaker 1: especially in solitary confinement. You know, I'm very curious as
25:28
Speaker 1: to why the county attorney turned down our request to
25:32
Speaker 1: hear his side, the one that wants to put Sheba
25:34
Speaker 1: to death. Now he is claiming in a letter to
25:39
Speaker 1: me that's full of legal ease. You know how lawyers
25:42
Speaker 1: would love to throw around Latin phrases. Anyway, I know,
25:47
Speaker 1: I would love it when lawyers would do that to
25:49
Speaker 1: a jury. But that said, he's hiding behind his ethical
25:56
Speaker 1: duty now, isn't it true? Russ Alba, the managing director
26:00
Speaker 1: of black Swan Law, You've handled thousands of complicated cases.
26:06
Speaker 1: The reason prosecutors are or government authorities are disallowed from
26:12
Speaker 1: speaking out lawyers is because you don't want to taint
26:15
Speaker 1: your jury pool. That's what it's all about. Because if
26:18
Speaker 1: you speak out publicly and I say, oh, Russ Alba,
26:22
Speaker 1: he's a killer and he robbed a bank, and he
26:26
Speaker 1: on and on and on, you're tainting your jury pool.
26:29
Speaker 1: And if one jurr heard that, then you could get
26:33
Speaker 1: a mistrial. That's why you're not supposed to make public statements.
26:38
Speaker 1: There's not a jury here, there's nobody to taint, So
26:41
Speaker 1: why is he hiding for us? This is a power
26:45
Speaker 1: play on the part of the San Bernardino County Board
26:50
Speaker 1: of Supervisors in the administrators of their Animal services department.
26:55
Speaker 1: The Divorce Shelter in Santa Barbara in San Bernardino County
26:59
Speaker 1: is a national reputation of being an enormously active kill shelter.
27:05
Speaker 1: It's basically a slaughterhouse for dogs and cats, and the
27:09
Speaker 1: mission of a good animal controlled department in any jurisdiction
27:13
Speaker 1: is to maximize the number of adoptions and rescues. And
27:17
Speaker 1: in some places the kill rates have gone down to
27:22
Speaker 1: almost zero. So these are old These are people in
27:26
Speaker 1: San Bernardino County who are not accustomed to being told
27:29
Speaker 1: what to do, not being held accountable to the community.
27:34
Speaker 1: And the fact that they claim they can't speak to
27:37
Speaker 1: anyone outside the system with respect to this pending case
27:42
Speaker 1: is nonsense, because the County of San Bernardino is the client.
27:46
Speaker 1: The client can determine what to do with this case
27:49
Speaker 1: in the same way that any client can direct its
27:51
Speaker 1: counsel to dismiss the case and terminate the terminate the prosecution.
27:57
Speaker 1: When you said shelter that the DeVore shelter in San
28:04
Speaker 1: Bernardino has a national reputation as being a kill shelter,
28:10
Speaker 1: First of all, how do you put kill in the
28:13
Speaker 1: same description as shelter? But what do you mean by
28:16
Speaker 1: kill shelter? Certain shelters in the United States have a
28:21
Speaker 1: reputation of very high kill rates as opposed, so they
28:25
Speaker 1: devote most of their energies to killing the dogs that
28:28
Speaker 1: are either surrendered or seized. Or are found as opposed
28:32
Speaker 1: to as opposed to working actively with rescue groups who
28:36
Speaker 1: are active in every county, every jurisdiction in the United
28:40
Speaker 1: States trying to reduce the level of euthanizations in the shelters.
28:46
Speaker 1: And so some shelters have very high rates of killing dogs,
28:51
Speaker 1: and shelters like Divor are considered to be quote kill shelters. Okay,
28:57
Speaker 1: I think we've got another guest joining us. You know,
29:00
Speaker 1: I've often said, and I've said this to us Alba,
29:03
Speaker 1: that the best witness I ever put on the stand
29:08
Speaker 1: was a dog. And I'm not kidding. I am not kidding.
29:13
Speaker 1: It was a drug dog that did a demonstration in
29:17
Speaker 1: the courtroom about how that dog found a cash of
29:23
Speaker 1: drugs or one hundred thousand of dollars behind a fake
29:27
Speaker 1: wall that was in the back of a closet of
29:31
Speaker 1: a drug lord. And the defense attorney through a fit
29:37
Speaker 1: when I brought the dog into the courtroom, and I remember, oh,
29:41
Speaker 1: this really burned him up. When I said, don't worry,
29:45
Speaker 1: you'll have a full opportunity to cross examine the dog anyway,
29:49
Speaker 1: I thought that was incredibly funny. He did not great.
29:53
Speaker 1: I want you to hear what Priscilla Pressley said as
29:56
Speaker 1: she addressed the Animal Control Board back on July twenty eight. Listen,
30:01
Speaker 1: she actually has many vocal community supporters because of her
30:06
Speaker 1: ten years of being a fixture around town with her
30:09
Speaker 1: last runner. You realize, however, and agree with Animal Control
30:12
Speaker 1: that reach turning there, there is not an appropriate alternative
30:16
Speaker 1: based on the story there. Chiba will need both national
30:20
Speaker 1: and physical rehabilitation African finement for a full year in
30:23
Speaker 1: the shelter. We will ensure that those arrangements are provided
30:27
Speaker 1: for in constant with a rescue organize invasion. I personally
30:31
Speaker 1: want to assure you that our efforts to restore Shuba
30:34
Speaker 1: to well being and at the same time safeguard the
30:36
Speaker 1: public will be carried out in the safetest and most
30:40
Speaker 1: official men are possible. You may defend about it, and
30:43
Speaker 1: I give you my word with the people of San
30:46
Speaker 1: Ferenttino County will never need to be concerned that she
30:49
Speaker 1: will be a threat to anyone in this county or
30:51
Speaker 1: actually any other county as well. You know, Priscilla Pressley,
30:55
Speaker 1: with all of your fame and celebrity status and everything
31:02
Speaker 1: you have going on in your life, tell me why
31:08
Speaker 1: you care so much about Sheba and why you went
31:13
Speaker 1: in front of this animal control board begging for her
31:16
Speaker 1: life Because I care, Nancy. I love animals. I loved
31:22
Speaker 1: all the animals, to be honest with you. They have
31:24
Speaker 1: every right to live on this planet as we do.
31:27
Speaker 1: And when I heard this story, I couldn't help but
31:29
Speaker 1: get involved. I heard the story from my friend who
31:32
Speaker 1: has the drug rescue in the Big Island of Hawaii,
31:35
Speaker 1: and she's the one who told me about the story
31:38
Speaker 1: and asked me if I could help in any way.
31:40
Speaker 1: And when I heard that, there's no doubt. Of course.
31:42
Speaker 1: She knows that that when I believe in something, you know,
31:45
Speaker 1: I take it to heart and I'll do my very
31:47
Speaker 1: best to get it done. And when I met Patty,
31:50
Speaker 1: it was so my god, it was very difficult to
31:55
Speaker 1: not just hug him, because there's a streaming down in
31:58
Speaker 1: space that he loved his drug so much. But the
32:00
Speaker 1: mere fact that the dog is not an officious animal,
32:04
Speaker 1: and to have this county do this to her, you know,
32:07
Speaker 1: it's it's cruel and it's literally I'm really having doubts
32:12
Speaker 1: about this whole, this whole Tamberg, you know, County board.
32:17
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's the unthinkable to confine it.
32:22
Speaker 1: Confined Sheba over a year now and this five by
32:27
Speaker 1: five cage and have her wine and cry? Where is
32:32
Speaker 1: the where's the human touch here? Where is the care?
32:38
Speaker 1: Where is he? And this is a shelter. This makes
32:40
Speaker 1: me think about how many other animals that are there.
32:41
Speaker 1: They're being mistreated. To Angie Wood, the Atlanta Dog whisperer
32:47
Speaker 1: at usknine dot com, Angie, I understand that if her
32:52
Speaker 1: life is spared that she will have to have rehab.
32:56
Speaker 1: Why is she being kept like that in a cage
32:59
Speaker 1: and not let out? I don't understand because quite frankly,
33:03
Speaker 1: that type of confinement typically is reserved for a rabies protocol,
33:09
Speaker 1: not just for housing a dog, and for her type
33:11
Speaker 1: of situations. So this is animal couldn't you cruelty at
33:15
Speaker 1: its worst, not only physically but psychologically? And a year?
33:19
Speaker 1: This is insane. We let people out for an hour
33:22
Speaker 1: a day in prison, right, So it is absolutely insane
33:26
Speaker 1: and so um we do operate a rehab center here
33:30
Speaker 1: in the Atlanta area that specializes in exactly this type
33:33
Speaker 1: of thing. Sheba does not seem to be a severe
33:35
Speaker 1: case to me at all, and in fact, you know
33:37
Speaker 1: we are in Atlanta on the other side of the country.
33:40
Speaker 1: If we can get them to release Sheba, sheepa could
33:42
Speaker 1: come live with Well. The fact is that the muscles
33:45
Speaker 1: atrophy sitting there, and she won't be able to get
33:49
Speaker 1: up and run and be any She'll be a shadow
33:53
Speaker 1: of the dog that she was. And that's if she
33:56
Speaker 1: gets saved. Bruce Crieder Puppy Coalition Emil writes activist saving Sheba.
34:01
Speaker 1: Question to you, Bruce, why are they doing this? Well,
34:08
Speaker 1: I've heard some people say they just want another notch
34:10
Speaker 1: in their belt. What I kind of believe that they
34:14
Speaker 1: just want another notch in their belt, meaning they want
34:20
Speaker 1: to win and that that's what's important to them. Now
34:23
Speaker 1: people are saying that, I'm not saying I believe that,
34:25
Speaker 1: but I kind of don't doubt it. Let me. I'd
34:27
Speaker 1: like to get on to a point that Priscilla started
34:31
Speaker 1: to make about the other dogs owners and them not
34:35
Speaker 1: wanting to be killed. I have four pages from the
34:40
Speaker 1: community where she's from, where the community members that have
34:45
Speaker 1: known her for ten years have vouched for her. I
34:48
Speaker 1: mean four pages of names and signatures and phone numbers,
34:52
Speaker 1: So that should say something. The second thing, if I've
34:56
Speaker 1: got time. Is the legal department strategy has been to
35:00
Speaker 1: avoid any dialogue that could detract from them from their
35:03
Speaker 1: goal of killing Sheba, you know, and keeping quiet and
35:08
Speaker 1: limiting the court conversation to the hearing officers proclamation that
35:13
Speaker 1: she would be killed because their owner is not compliant,
35:16
Speaker 1: and so they're trying to minimize any kind of extra
35:20
Speaker 1: dialogue or anything else. And then they tell the board
35:22
Speaker 1: you can't get involved in as you can't talk about it.
35:25
Speaker 1: So you know, what people hate is a bureaucracy. Long
35:29
Speaker 1: story short, I don't get the thinking behind the divorcee
35:34
Speaker 1: shelter because apparently many people russ Alba have come forward
35:39
Speaker 1: offering to take in Sheba. She's had one dog fight,
35:43
Speaker 1: then she escaped again from eighty year old Peppie's house.
35:47
Speaker 1: Who I don't think you can see that. Well, she
35:50
Speaker 1: escaped and now they're going to give her the death
35:52
Speaker 1: penalty after one dog fight. The obligation of the County
35:58
Speaker 1: of San Bernardino is to add in the best interests
36:01
Speaker 1: of the public safety of the citizens of San Bernardino County.
36:04
Speaker 1: In this case, we've got a solution that completely eliminates
36:08
Speaker 1: any risk to the county of San Bernardino, California. We've
36:13
Speaker 1: offered to take she out of the county, out of
36:15
Speaker 1: the state, and put her in to rescue someplace where
36:18
Speaker 1: she can find a forever home and live out her life.
36:21
Speaker 1: There is zero public interest in killing this dog except
36:25
Speaker 1: the political whims and the and the lack of responsiveness
36:30
Speaker 1: of the San Bernardino County government. You know, when you said,
36:34
Speaker 1: russ Alba, this has a lot to do with the
36:37
Speaker 1: political wins. You know, I hate politics, I really do.
36:43
Speaker 1: Right now, I don't want to be what do you
36:45
Speaker 1: mean by that? I mean the politicians need to be
36:48
Speaker 1: responsive to the electorate, to the people that they serve.
36:51
Speaker 1: And in this case, and we can we can argue
36:53
Speaker 1: about left and right and Democrat and Republicans were and
36:58
Speaker 1: we're not going to. But the point is that politicians
37:01
Speaker 1: and elected officials and county officials who are often appointed,
37:06
Speaker 1: need to act in the best interests of their constituents
37:11
Speaker 1: and in the best interest of public safety and health
37:15
Speaker 1: of their communities. And there is no compelling reason to
37:19
Speaker 1: kill this dog. All it is. It's testimony to the
37:24
Speaker 1: lack of responsiveness, lack of sensitivity to animal rescue in
37:28
Speaker 1: that county. In that shelter and it's wrong and it's
37:31
Speaker 1: up to people like us to fight for dogs like she.
37:33
Speaker 1: But she's just one dog of many that are in DeVore.
37:37
Speaker 1: They're going to be able to kill plenty, don't worry.
37:39
Speaker 1: But this one spoke to us as being a particularly
37:43
Speaker 1: egregious case and one that highlights the malfees. And so
37:47
Speaker 1: this county government, No, it disturbs me. And of course
37:51
Speaker 1: pardon the punt, but you don't have a dog in
37:52
Speaker 1: the fight album. You live in Florida. Your law firm,
37:55
Speaker 1: Black Swan Law, is in Florida. This is no skin
37:58
Speaker 1: off your back age. Just every every every dog matters
38:03
Speaker 1: to me. You know what is every piece of injustice
38:08
Speaker 1: and every every act of senseless cruelty affects all of us,
38:13
Speaker 1: no matter where it happens. And as you know, in
38:16
Speaker 1: point of fact, Nancy, I'm still a California lawyer, having
38:19
Speaker 1: practiced in Los Angeles for many years. So my part
38:22
Speaker 1: of my heart stays in southern California, and it troubles
38:25
Speaker 1: me to see a California government, as a portion of
38:29
Speaker 1: the state government of California, act in this inhumane, unresponsive
38:34
Speaker 1: and uncaring way. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're
38:54
Speaker 1: talking about a sweet and loving German shepherd who got
38:59
Speaker 1: into one fight with another dog and as now getting
39:04
Speaker 1: the death penalty. Has never been a person got out
39:09
Speaker 1: of the home a second time, did not bite anybody else,
39:13
Speaker 1: didn't bite another dog. One dog fight is ending up
39:16
Speaker 1: in the death penalty for Sheba. I found out about
39:21
Speaker 1: Sheba's case through our friend Russ Alba, managing director of
39:25
Speaker 1: black Swan Law in Florida, and at first I thought
39:28
Speaker 1: there had to be a catch. I couldn't believe it.
39:31
Speaker 1: But it's exactly as he said to you. Daryl Cohen,
39:35
Speaker 1: former assistant DA in Fulton, now defense attorney and civil
39:39
Speaker 1: attorney in the Atlanta jurisdiction, Daryl Cohen, could you give
39:43
Speaker 1: me any reason why the county attorney who won't be
39:49
Speaker 1: on with us today? And if you could give me
39:50
Speaker 1: that letter from the county attorney denying our request to
39:56
Speaker 1: come on, why not rehouse Shiba? Nancy. I am very
40:04
Speaker 1: concerned with Shiba, as you knew I would be, having
40:08
Speaker 1: said that we do not know all of the facts, Priscilla,
40:12
Speaker 1: with all due respect, we were talking about a shepherd
40:16
Speaker 1: that went after a little dog yapping or not. And
40:18
Speaker 1: I've been the owner of dogs. I have two now,
40:21
Speaker 1: So why is he talking? He ought to say, I
40:25
Speaker 1: can't say anything. There's a way of saying, no comment myself.
40:29
Speaker 1: Why not addressed it. It's not why there's going to
40:31
Speaker 1: be a jury trial that he's going to poison a
40:33
Speaker 1: jury pool, because it's a jury of public opinion and
40:37
Speaker 1: nobody in the public that's not covered in the law
40:40
Speaker 1: or ethics what other people might say about you. Sorry,
40:46
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead, miss Brod. I want to know
40:48
Speaker 1: what can you please repeat that when you said that
40:51
Speaker 1: you're sorry that I don't know some of the facts.
40:53
Speaker 1: I do know the facts, just M. Bruce said earlier.
40:57
Speaker 1: He's got he's got four pages of people in that
40:59
Speaker 1: town cluster Running Springs that love that dog. That dog
41:04
Speaker 1: for ten years, so she's now eleven because she's been
41:07
Speaker 1: in their year. They know that dog and they are
41:10
Speaker 1: signing that she is not a dangerous dog. So don't
41:13
Speaker 1: say I don't know anything about it. You don't know
41:17
Speaker 1: all of the facts. And if you knew all of
41:19
Speaker 1: the facts. For instance, people are saying, as I asked
41:22
Speaker 1: them early on, what size was the dog? Big difference
41:26
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about the other dog, Sir,
41:28
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about the small dog. The
41:31
Speaker 1: dog all dollar was a one that was attacked. Yeah,
41:33
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about one dog. Doesn't know.
41:36
Speaker 1: I can tell you the size it was the docks.
41:42
Speaker 1: What do you mean that it doesn't matter what side
41:44
Speaker 1: the dog is. It certainly does, because if a large
41:47
Speaker 1: dog gets in a fight with another large dog, you say, okay,
41:51
Speaker 1: you're two alphas, but golge dog dog, that is not acceptable,
41:57
Speaker 1: just not acceptable. Sorry, if you have dogs, If you
41:59
Speaker 1: have dogs, they feel bad for them because you have
42:02
Speaker 1: no understand I wouldn't feel bad for her. They have
42:04
Speaker 1: a life, the best luxury I've had her forever. And
42:07
Speaker 1: I'm glad well been in that case. Darrol Cohen of
42:10
Speaker 1: one got out and started a fight with the docks,
42:12
Speaker 1: and I guess he'd be okay with you if you
42:14
Speaker 1: got the death penalty. If he did it a second time,
42:17
Speaker 1: then there's Sheba didn't do it a second time. All
42:21
Speaker 1: she did the second time was escape. And another thing,
42:27
Speaker 1: there are alternatives here. So many people have offered to
42:31
Speaker 1: take Sheba, isn't that true? Cried er. Other people will
42:36
Speaker 1: take Sheba away from the area, and rehab her and
42:39
Speaker 1: keep tabs on her. What more do they want? Do
42:42
Speaker 1: they just want to kill the dog? Well, you're exactly right, Nancy.
42:46
Speaker 1: Right now there's a local attorney working a pro boner,
42:50
Speaker 1: a pro bono basis for this case. She's put together
42:53
Speaker 1: a complete package of for any one of three rescue
42:57
Speaker 1: groups in the area to that the county can pick from.
43:02
Speaker 1: That assigned written agreements for lifetime maintenance of Shiba, and
43:06
Speaker 1: a series of other provisions for rehab, assurances and liability
43:10
Speaker 1: waivers to assure San Bernio County that they would never
43:16
Speaker 1: be liable. I want you to hear, Bruce cried or
43:20
Speaker 1: as he addresses the Animal Control Board, and this is
43:24
Speaker 1: amazing to me. Listen. Hearing was filed a boy a
43:27
Speaker 1: year ago, last July, and then on July eighteenth, mister
43:31
Speaker 1: Vick providing hearing Officer Rhoder, you letter to Shiba's honor.
43:35
Speaker 1: I'm worrying Sheba to be destroyed per San Bernno County
43:39
Speaker 1: Code Titles Redivision two, Chapter fourteen Savons three to two
43:43
Speaker 1: point or you know seven, because allowing you to maintain
43:46
Speaker 1: destody so Sheba would create a significant threat public cult
43:50
Speaker 1: safety and Wilfred, Well, there are a few problems with that. First,
43:53
Speaker 1: nowhere was it required that Sheba, she was only attorney
43:57
Speaker 1: for a living existence, be with her own her former
44:01
Speaker 1: nine pod owner. She clearly could have gone to a
44:04
Speaker 1: rescue rootlet so many other dogs most every day. A Second,
44:07
Speaker 1: there was never a finding that Sheba cannot be her
44:10
Speaker 1: home rehomed. Third, euthanizing Sheba's contrary to your own policies, Satan,
44:17
Speaker 1: I don't have the time, but there are several different
44:19
Speaker 1: Boom State and counting policies that speak to the merit
44:22
Speaker 1: of minimizing euthanization and utilizing the rescue organizations. You know,
44:28
Speaker 1: I want to go to Penny Douglas for Atlanta attorney,
44:31
Speaker 1: a criminal defense attorney and animal rights lawyer. Penny, isn't
44:35
Speaker 1: it true? The law says that they are to consider
44:40
Speaker 1: rehoming Sheba before killing her. And there's no mention and
44:46
Speaker 1: all of these legalleries that they ever have even considered
44:48
Speaker 1: rehalming her after one dog bite on another dog for
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Speaker 1: Pete's sake. It is my understanding that their law in
44:57
Speaker 1: California says that if this can be rehabbed, they're not
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Speaker 1: allowed to euthanizer. That's why this prosecutor is not talking
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Speaker 1: to you. That's right, because he knows he's not following
45:10
Speaker 1: the law and he doesn't want to respond to that.
45:12
Speaker 1: And as the public opinion if he's correct, wouldn't it
45:17
Speaker 1: be better did he respond if he wants public opinion
45:21
Speaker 1: on his thought. I hear you jumping am as Pressley,
45:24
Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah, I haven't here. It's the Kinade divergence
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Speaker 1: from state. Last. Section seventeen zero five of the California
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Speaker 1: Code states, in the first sentence of the first subdivision,
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Speaker 1: it is the policy of the state that no adoptive
45:36
Speaker 1: animal should be euthanized if it can be adopted to
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Speaker 1: a suitable home. It is the state. It is a
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Speaker 1: policy of the state that no treatable animals should be euthanized.
45:45
Speaker 1: A treatable animals shell include any animal that is not adoptable,
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Speaker 1: so that could become a doctable with reasonable efforts. But
45:54
Speaker 1: about that, Daryl Cohen, you're a law pause of silence
45:58
Speaker 1: as he's thinking, Oh, and you're gonna have lawlaws of
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Speaker 1: silence because the reality is he's doing, as a lawyer,
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Speaker 1: exactly what he should do, saying no comment because I
46:08
Speaker 1: cannot comment totally. Lawyers every day. But we've got a
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Speaker 1: dog who it's very sad. But Peppe obviously was incapable
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Speaker 1: of taking care of the dog. I can't disagree with that, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, dogs, cause you can't address it,
46:35
Speaker 1: I'm addressing it's been around, been around, the dog's been
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Speaker 1: around place what Priscilla, she has been around other dogs,
46:44
Speaker 1: the city, the town that she's found that Peppe is from.
46:48
Speaker 1: Peppy walks the dog, she has friends, they go in stores.
46:51
Speaker 1: It's never she's never tried to bite anyone. After one
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Speaker 1: dog fight, Panny Sheba, he's going to be killed. I
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Speaker 1: don't even say euthanized or put down, because that's sugarcoating,
47:06
Speaker 1: airbrushing the truth. They're going to kill her over one
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Speaker 1: dog fight and because they got mad at her own owner,
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Speaker 1: eighty year old Peppe Penny. What can we do? And
47:17
Speaker 1: it's in the dog's nature to fight, that's what they do.
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Speaker 1: They are hierarchical animals. They will fight over position. All
47:27
Speaker 1: dogs will fight in the right in the right situation.
47:31
Speaker 1: So you should never kill a dog for what it
47:34
Speaker 1: does by instinct. That's what is just so wrong. She's
47:38
Speaker 1: shown no aggression to human beings. And if you think
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Speaker 1: she's an issue with other dogs, she can be adopted
47:45
Speaker 1: into a family without dogs. That's very simple. A lot
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Speaker 1: of people only want one dog. Is that true, Angie
47:53
Speaker 1: Wood or in that hall, Angie Wood? Is that true?
47:56
Speaker 1: Can this dog be rehabilitated. She's had one fight. For
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Speaker 1: Pete's sake, the dog can absolutely be rehabilitated. I have
48:06
Speaker 1: dealt with thousands and thousands of these types of dogs,
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Speaker 1: and she does not sound severe to me at all.
48:11
Speaker 1: It sounds to me like she got out her adrenaline
48:13
Speaker 1: was a bit high, and they tend to act on that.
48:15
Speaker 1: She has friends, for God's sake, that are dogs, and
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Speaker 1: there is hope for every dog. They just need to
48:21
Speaker 1: be matched with the right human. And a single family
48:25
Speaker 1: or a single dog family is certainly an option for
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Speaker 1: a dog who may be able to fight you with
48:29
Speaker 1: other dogs. Russ Russ Alba. This is a very different
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Speaker 1: hat for me to wear, because typically hate me or not,
48:38
Speaker 1: I get involved in animal cases when, for instance, a
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Speaker 1: child or a person has been mauled by, for instance,
48:45
Speaker 1: a rottweiller, and some usually taking a side against a
48:51
Speaker 1: dangerous animal. But in this case, I don't believe that's true.
48:57
Speaker 1: I think that Sheba got into a dog fight, just
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Speaker 1: like my little dog tries every single time we take
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Speaker 1: it for a walk, he has a ground or somebody,
49:07
Speaker 1: not a person, always another dog. That's what nobody's been
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Speaker 1: nobody's been scratched. Nothing you got, she got one dog fight.
49:17
Speaker 1: Where's the public interest in killing Shiva? What does it do?
49:21
Speaker 1: How does it help San Bernardino County? How does it
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Speaker 1: protect anybody? Sheba's not a dangerous dog. What do they
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Speaker 1: have against Peppy? It seems to me that when I
49:30
Speaker 1: heard russ Alba that one of the employees at divorce said,
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Speaker 1: we're going to teach him a lesson. They were talking
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Speaker 1: about PEPPI why about an eighty year old man? Why
49:40
Speaker 1: do you want to teach him a lesson? He's literally crying.
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Speaker 1: If if that statement is true, and I don't know
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Speaker 1: that it is. Um it's it's just it's just further
49:51
Speaker 1: evidence that the that the county government is enacting in
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Speaker 1: the best interest of it, of its constituents, of its
49:58
Speaker 1: populace um. And it's now become really a power struggle,
50:02
Speaker 1: and the County of San Bernardino will not be told
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Speaker 1: what to do, will not be dictated to by happy
50:10
Speaker 1: by local animal animal rescue groups, by national animal rescue groups,
50:15
Speaker 1: and certainly not by the media and malcontents like Nancy Grace.
50:19
Speaker 1: You know, oh, thank you, russ Us. But very often
50:25
Speaker 1: we think of when you hear the word dogcatcher or
50:28
Speaker 1: pound and has so many horrible connotations. And there's a
50:34
Speaker 1: reason for that. The thought that she hasn't been kept
50:38
Speaker 1: in this cage for over a year now, where there
50:41
Speaker 1: are people begging to home her. I can't understand why
50:48
Speaker 1: they dug in their heels. Why is that the mystery
50:53
Speaker 1: of me? But it's up to us to speak up
50:55
Speaker 1: to this injustice, to this in humanity, to this cruelty
51:00
Speaker 1: on behalf of Sheba and other dons like her. Again,
51:04
Speaker 1: I usually don't take on the cause of a pet
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Speaker 1: because I've got my hands full with missing children, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and felony crimes on people. But when I looked at
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Speaker 1: this dog, Sheba, and she looked at me through the camera,
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Speaker 1: And when that day comes that they put her to sleep,
51:32
Speaker 1: that is going to be an injustice. And you know what,
51:35
Speaker 1: russ As I've told Mimi, a jury we are judged,
51:39
Speaker 1: not on who wins what court battle, or what we
51:43
Speaker 1: have in our four oh one k or who we
51:46
Speaker 1: got it over on or who we got the best of.
51:49
Speaker 1: We are judged by how we treat those that are
51:54
Speaker 1: the weakest in our world, in our society, and that
51:58
Speaker 1: is why we have rules to protect the weak against
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Speaker 1: those more powerful or more cunning than they are. And
52:06
Speaker 1: the thoughts that day will come and Sheba will be
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Speaker 1: put to death, It's just wrong, and it speaks to kay.
52:15
Speaker 1: I'd like to speak to it this way and a
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Speaker 1: little bit differently. While Sheba is very important to me
52:21
Speaker 1: personally and to a whole lot of other people personally,
52:24
Speaker 1: whether Sheba loves or dies is probably not a matter
52:27
Speaker 1: of global consequence. But what this is about is who
52:31
Speaker 1: we are as a people, what we do, how we
52:35
Speaker 1: treat the least powerful and the voiceless in our communities,
52:38
Speaker 1: and then includes animals. And if we can do this
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Speaker 1: to Sheba, we can do this to other other creatures
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Speaker 1: and people. So this is a test of our character
52:49
Speaker 1: and that's why we fight for dogs like Sheba. Final
52:52
Speaker 1: word to Miss Pressley, I want to thank everyone for
52:56
Speaker 1: being with us, But Miss Presley, you know with all
53:00
Speaker 1: you have going on in your life. You take time
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Speaker 1: to save Shiba. That means a lot to me that
53:12
Speaker 1: you care. And you and Bruce Kryder on the panel
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Speaker 1: today have gone to the Animal Control Board. You've led
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Speaker 1: the fight. Tell us what we can do to help
53:24
Speaker 1: you and Bruce. Okay, I'll jump in. Well, there are
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Speaker 1: probably three phone numbers that you might want to write down.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Gary McBride is the chief executive of
53:38
Speaker 1: the county. His telephone number is nine zero nine three
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Speaker 1: eight seven five four one seven. Then I'll give you
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Speaker 1: the Chairman of the County Board. His name is Kurt Hagman.
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Speaker 1: His number is nine O nine three eight seven four
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Speaker 1: eight sixty six. And then the Chief Legal Council, not
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Speaker 1: the not the lead council on this case, but the
54:01
Speaker 1: Chief Legal Council is Michelle lake Or. Her number is
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Speaker 1: nine O nine three eight seven three eight four one.
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Speaker 1: We also have a website that's it's kind of a
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Speaker 1: minor website, but it's Savingsba dot org that we gives
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Speaker 1: a lot of the detail so that the people want
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Speaker 1: to visit that. That that's the answer right there, Saving
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Speaker 1: Sheba sh e Ba dot org, Saving dash Sheba dot org.
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Speaker 1: You know what. I usually cover cases that involve human victims,
54:41
Speaker 1: but I don't like any wrongdoing, any injustice. We still
54:47
Speaker 1: have time to turn this around if we work together.
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Speaker 1: Please help us, Please help us safe. Yeah, she thank you.
54:57
Speaker 1: And when I think of Pepe going on eighty one
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Speaker 1: years old crying, this is reminds me a lot of
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Speaker 1: my dad. Tell you the truth. Please help us save
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Speaker 1: this dog nine zero nine three eight four five one
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Speaker 1: three three or go to saving dash Sheba dot org.
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Speaker 1: Thank you everyone for joining us today and we wait
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Speaker 1: God willing as justice on false. Goodbye