Latest / Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation / NFL Week 17 - Christmas Day | December 25, 2024 | DraftKings & FanDuel DFS Picks, Plays and Process
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Yeah, the systems clear the lift.
- 0:36Speaker 2: What's up everyone? Tyler Tamberline here aka TOTEG and Tambo
- 0:40Speaker 2: and back for a special edition no first look show
- 0:42Speaker 2: this week. We are gonna be talking the two game
- 0:45Speaker 2: mainslate tomorrow, the Christmas Day. Happy holidays, Mary, Shipmates to
- 0:48Speaker 2: everybody out there, whatever holiday it is that you celebrate.
- 0:51Speaker 2: We appreciate you being here with us. Got Hoopster with me,
- 0:54Speaker 2: Gonna break it all down. It will be a true
- 0:56Speaker 2: first look for that. Obviously, still waiting to get some
- 0:59Speaker 2: stuff up with the project ownership Stone everything over at
- 1:01Speaker 2: ship at Nature, but we can still break this down.
- 1:03Speaker 2: Lots of good things to talk about, Hoopster, bring you
- 1:06Speaker 2: in man. Merry Christmas Eve to you. What's going on,
- 1:08Speaker 2: my friend?
- 1:09Speaker 3: Yeah, Merry Christmas to you, your family, all the listeners
- 1:11Speaker 3: out there, Happy holidays if you celebrate something different. I
- 1:15Speaker 3: wanted to get this out early. Obviously, people have a
- 1:17Speaker 3: lot of things going on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, you know,
- 1:21Speaker 3: the one downfalls. Obviously we don't have a ton of information,
- 1:23Speaker 3: but it's the two Games slate, so we're gonna be
- 1:25Speaker 3: able to talk through all the roster construction, game theory
- 1:27Speaker 3: things regardless of not having projections or anything like that
- 1:32Speaker 3: or stable ownership. We've had the nice thing as well
- 1:35Speaker 3: as we had this these same four teams just last week,
- 1:39Speaker 3: so we kind of know, you know what we're getting into.
- 1:42Speaker 3: We know the injury information, so we're gonna be able
- 1:45Speaker 3: to get you on the right path for sure for
- 1:47Speaker 3: Christmas Day and hopefully add some grain to the stockings
- 1:50Speaker 3: this year. Yeah.
- 1:51Speaker 2: Shout out to our guy DJN two. Usually when him
- 1:54Speaker 2: and I are doing the first look and hoop you've
- 1:55Speaker 2: helped fill in for in the last couple of weeks,
- 1:57Speaker 2: we look it up. We just can look it up
- 1:58Speaker 2: in real time, like Justice Hill didn't practice on Monday,
- 2:01Speaker 2: so we'll see when we get to running back, but
- 2:03Speaker 2: we will go position by position, gonna bring up Shipdemizer
- 2:07Speaker 2: just so we have the positions, the pricing for DraftKings,
- 2:10Speaker 2: for the two game slate and all of that so
- 2:11Speaker 2: we can look at it. And we did this show
- 2:13Speaker 2: last year and we were able to put together some
- 2:15Speaker 2: sort of shells almost like how Mayo and I do
- 2:17Speaker 2: it each week, where we could see, Okay, if we
- 2:18Speaker 2: do this, what does it leave us. So hopefully that's helpful.
- 2:21Speaker 2: Shout out to our guy J Steele. He called him out.
- 2:24Speaker 2: He said, ha, first, what now go collect and go
- 2:26Speaker 2: collect down the board a little bit, and everyone calls him,
- 2:29Speaker 2: did you sleep in? So love to see it. We
- 2:32Speaker 2: appreciate you guys. You know, they still want to know
- 2:34Speaker 2: about the prostenta if you brought that or what you
- 2:37Speaker 2: get for Christmas under the tree and you're stalking a
- 2:39Speaker 2: mint bush or some roast parts, which.
- 2:41Speaker 3: Is gonna be a lot of fun yesterday. If you
- 2:43Speaker 3: did not catch the show yesterday, obviously the slate's over,
- 2:47Speaker 3: but I don't know. I'd say about halfway through. We
- 2:49Speaker 3: had a lot of fun yesterday with some jokes with
- 2:52Speaker 3: the chat and it was a good old time. So
- 2:54Speaker 3: if you didn't watch the show yesterday, I'd recommend that
- 2:57Speaker 3: you go back and catch up a lot of jokes
- 3:00Speaker 3: that might linger. I mean, some of the stuff might
- 3:02Speaker 3: linger on for a while. The mint and bush conversation
- 3:05Speaker 3: was a lot of fun. The marriage counseling session was
- 3:09Speaker 3: a lot of fun. So it was about halfway through
- 3:11Speaker 3: the show yesterday, I think when we went off the
- 3:13Speaker 3: rails for a little bit, in a good way, off
- 3:14Speaker 3: the rails in a good way.
- 3:16Speaker 2: We need to get somebody to clip those good ones
- 3:18Speaker 2: and go and put them out there. We might have
- 3:19Speaker 2: to get our guy behind the scenes on it, but
- 3:22Speaker 2: I will say it's funny. It's like a TV show
- 3:24Speaker 2: where you know, if you missed an episode and like,
- 3:25Speaker 2: what the hell's going on, there's gonna be lingering jokes
- 3:28Speaker 2: from that one. So we appreciate you guys having some
- 3:31Speaker 2: fun with us. Yesterday also big night in the street.
- 3:33Speaker 2: Shout up to our guy, our very own Hebrew Cheetah
- 3:36Speaker 2: back up at the top, had yours Mims guy in play.
- 3:39Speaker 2: I remember yesterday you said I don't really like Miller
- 3:40Speaker 2: at all. You said, actually like WILLIAMS Moore and maybe
- 3:43Speaker 2: even Mims. He used Mims to the tune of twenty
- 3:46Speaker 2: two thousand plus shipping that slate he was in the discord.
- 3:49Speaker 2: Shout out to our guy Pensack. He had a big day.
- 3:52Speaker 2: Jay Rice had a big day. DJ moving on in
- 3:55Speaker 2: the Best Ball Streets with two into the finals. Who
- 3:58Speaker 2: else there was? Somebody else had one move on to
- 3:59Speaker 2: the as well. So just congrats to everybody out there
- 4:02Speaker 2: that had that stuff going on. All good stuff for
- 4:05Speaker 2: the nation right now, lots of good things to talk about.
- 4:07Speaker 2: Let's talk about the slate as a whole. Who if
- 4:09Speaker 2: you mentioned it off the top four game four days ago?
- 4:12Speaker 2: I think it was now right, just four days ago?
- 4:14Speaker 3: Far?
- 4:15Speaker 2: Yeah, like these teams days ago or something. So how
- 4:18Speaker 2: do you see that? Also a little funny note, I'm
- 4:20Speaker 2: not sure if he'll I mean they claimed him off waivers.
- 4:22Speaker 2: We'll see if it could be an immediate revenge spot
- 4:25Speaker 2: for Deontay Johnson. He was claimed off wires, off waiver
- 4:28Speaker 2: wire for Houston and Houston now going up against Baltimore
- 4:32Speaker 2: after Baltimore had all the issues with them. So what
- 4:34Speaker 2: do you see as this slate as a whole before
- 4:36Speaker 2: we get into the positions?
- 4:37Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's pretty nice because we had these
- 4:41Speaker 3: four teams playing. Obviously the opponents have switched a little bit,
- 4:45Speaker 3: but we have the four teams and the main thing
- 4:46Speaker 3: is the same four quarterbacks, and you know what quarterbacks
- 4:49Speaker 3: tend to do game to game does not change all
- 4:52Speaker 3: that much. And the situation these teams are in haven't
- 4:56Speaker 3: changed a ton. Like the Chiefs are very likely to
- 5:00Speaker 3: have the number one seed. I think it's like ninety
- 5:02Speaker 3: nine or close to like ninety nine percent, Like they'd
- 5:05Speaker 3: have to lose out Bills would have to win out
- 5:07Speaker 3: and then like other stuff would have to happen along
- 5:10Speaker 3: the way. So are they incentivized to win here? Yeah,
- 5:14Speaker 3: I think they still want to win this game. It's
- 5:16Speaker 3: on Netflix. I think that is one thing that's kind
- 5:18Speaker 3: of going a little overlook like this is big for
- 5:20Speaker 3: the NFL and Netflix, like they're going to want these
- 5:23Speaker 3: these teams to give it they're all and I think
- 5:25Speaker 3: we see it on both sides. The Steelers obviously have
- 5:27Speaker 3: a lot to play for playing for the division Ravens
- 5:30Speaker 3: as well, and then Houston appears to be kind of
- 5:32Speaker 3: locked in too where they're going to be. And you
- 5:34Speaker 3: know this is when you start talking about this stuff.
- 5:36Speaker 3: We didn't talk much about the playoff scenarios last week.
- 5:39Speaker 3: Well now we're two weeks to go and this will
- 5:41Speaker 3: be a conversation. This will be a conversation on the
- 5:44Speaker 3: main show that we do on Sunday as well. There's
- 5:49Speaker 3: conversations that you had around that. But I think all
- 5:50Speaker 3: these teams are good to go. So that's one thing
- 5:53Speaker 3: I do want to say with the Chiefs, they're the
- 5:55Speaker 3: one team where you worry about that. Maybe a little
- 5:58Speaker 3: bit one intro thing though last week that I think
- 6:01Speaker 3: surprised a lot of people is a pretty close split
- 6:05Speaker 3: between Hunt and Pacheco, and I think that probably continues,
- 6:08Speaker 3: and we kind of hinted at it. I didn't go
- 6:10Speaker 3: I was overweight on Hunt, but I didn't go in
- 6:14Speaker 3: as much as in hindsight we should have. You know,
- 6:16Speaker 3: we talked about it potentially being closer to a split,
- 6:19Speaker 3: and that was the case, and Hunt was obviously way
- 6:22Speaker 3: more productive. But I think they continue down that path.
- 6:24Speaker 3: I see no reason for them to switch and go
- 6:27Speaker 3: full go with Pacheco like they Hunt solid, I mean,
- 6:31Speaker 3: just as good, i'd say. And then Title kind of
- 6:34Speaker 3: nailed the Xavier Worthy call. Where's he's wide receiver one
- 6:37Speaker 3: there and they're using him in a ton of different
- 6:39Speaker 3: ways and he looks really really solid, comfortable playing with Mahomes.
- 6:43Speaker 3: As soon as you find that connection with Mahomes, I
- 6:45Speaker 3: mean you can you can take off and he looks
- 6:48Speaker 3: like the wide receiver one on the Steelers side. The
- 6:51Speaker 3: noteworthy thing for sure would be picking sounds like he's
- 6:54Speaker 3: going to play. I believe he was a full go
- 6:57Speaker 3: in practice last week, which is obviously know this week,
- 7:00Speaker 3: so that's a big boost to him and the entire
- 7:04Speaker 3: offense on the Ravens. We have Justice Hill concussion right
- 7:09Speaker 3: miss practice, hasn't practiced this week, so today will be
- 7:11Speaker 3: a big day for him and might get that that
- 7:14Speaker 3: news today opposed to tomorrow where it's just like, you know,
- 7:17Speaker 3: he might be out if he's out. The guy that's
- 7:20Speaker 3: been getting the carriages is this Rashene Ali guy, but
- 7:24Speaker 3: not super cheap. It's not like he's three k he's
- 7:27Speaker 3: still I believe forty forty.
- 7:29Speaker 2: Forty three I think same price as Mark Andrews two,
- 7:31Speaker 2: which is interesting. Note just to.
- 7:32Speaker 3: Add in, yeah, yeah, so potential swap opportunities. If we
- 7:36Speaker 3: don't get that news, I have a feeling we'll probably
- 7:38Speaker 3: get it today. The concussion stuff pretty clear. I'm assuming
- 7:40Speaker 3: he's got a practice or do something today to be
- 7:42Speaker 3: clear to play tomorrow. So we're gonna get that news
- 7:46Speaker 3: most likely today. And so I guess every team has
- 7:48Speaker 3: a situation. And then the Texans obviously tanked out. You know,
- 7:52Speaker 3: terrible injury, you know mcl taiir knee cap dis looking.
- 7:56Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of injuries that are are
- 7:59Speaker 3: bad and terrible, but a dislocated kneecap just sounds like
- 8:03Speaker 3: so so nasty. You know what I'm saying, Just the
- 8:05Speaker 3: sound of those words being together does not sound very good.
- 8:09Speaker 3: Unfortunate for him. Caught that big touchdown and then went down,
- 8:11Speaker 3: So they're gonna have I'm assuming Deontay Johnson does not play.
- 8:15Speaker 3: If they just picked him up, I mean, I can't
- 8:16Speaker 3: imagine he's gonna go out there. If he does, it
- 8:18Speaker 3: would be i mean, probably very limited. But you have
- 8:20Speaker 3: Nico Collins obviously, who gets the big boost. I mean,
- 8:23Speaker 3: I'm sure he gets peppered in a close game. He
- 8:26Speaker 3: has oh I don't even know, fifteen target upside. I mean,
- 8:29Speaker 3: it could be a crazy number for him. And then
- 8:32Speaker 3: after him Robert Woods Mechi's gonna be good to go,
- 8:36Speaker 3: and Hutchinson, those those three and then obviously my guy
- 8:39Speaker 3: Dalton Schultz gets the boost as well. So each team
- 8:42Speaker 3: has something, you know, has some sort of news to
- 8:45Speaker 3: kind of take a look at. And one other thing
- 8:48Speaker 3: I did want to point out was the Hollywood Brown stuff. Like,
- 8:53Speaker 3: you know, he came back and integrated right into the
- 8:55Speaker 3: offense a lot of targets. That's definitely something to take
- 8:59Speaker 3: note of on this latest lot of stuff to digest.
- 9:02Speaker 3: But that's kind of the overview and the situations that
- 9:05Speaker 3: we're looking at with each team.
- 9:06Speaker 2: Yeah, you covered it really well, and I think that's
- 9:08Speaker 2: the Netflix factor. Has seventy five million a game is
- 9:11Speaker 2: what they're paying, So I mean it's a big bet
- 9:13Speaker 2: they're placing on this. They can't even you know, someone
- 9:14Speaker 2: made the joke it was true, but they've tried to
- 9:16Speaker 2: do these live events before for some of these girly
- 9:19Speaker 2: shows that are on the network where you know, girls
- 9:21Speaker 2: want to watch the reunion live or something, and they
- 9:23Speaker 2: all mess up. So I'm just fearing the worst tomorrow.
- 9:26Speaker 2: It's NFL like, you cannot mess this up. We need
- 9:29Speaker 2: to be able to watch this so interesting.
- 9:31Speaker 3: Look at the boxing Matchman is absolute disaster. I mean
- 9:34Speaker 3: I had sake money on that, so my ass was refreshing.
- 9:36Speaker 3: I tried every device in the house to get that
- 9:38Speaker 3: shit going and it didn't work out. I mean, now
- 9:40Speaker 3: you have football Christmas Day when everyone's sitting around wanting
- 9:44Speaker 3: to watch it like this, Like the boxing thing, people
- 9:47Speaker 3: can get over. If you fuck up someone's NFL viewing experience,
- 9:52Speaker 3: you're going to be in some big trouble on Christmas.
- 9:54Speaker 3: On Christmas, you could already see.
- 9:56Speaker 2: The jokes of them you know, Netflix ruined Christmas the Grinch.
- 9:59Speaker 2: They'll be onto them like maybe I don't know, maybe
- 10:01Speaker 2: they lived by the no such thing as bad publicity,
- 10:04Speaker 2: and they're just like, oh well, if it screws up,
- 10:06Speaker 2: everyone's gonna be talking about Netflix anyway. Who cares? But
- 10:09Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it's gonna be tricky. We'll have
- 10:10Speaker 2: to wait and see. But that was a good call
- 10:12Speaker 2: out there, the Justice Hill thing real quick, just on
- 10:15Speaker 2: a couple of these injuries, like he got slammed, his
- 10:17Speaker 2: head just bounced, and so I think it's gonna be
- 10:19Speaker 2: today and I think it's gonna be out. We'll wait
- 10:21Speaker 2: and see, but it definitely would seem that way. Didn't
- 10:23Speaker 2: even practice yesterday, so it's one chance to really get
- 10:26Speaker 2: it in and I just doubt it. So let's go
- 10:28Speaker 2: through it. Let's go position by position, and just off
- 10:31Speaker 2: the top, Lamar is eight k, Dereck Henry is eighty two,
- 10:35Speaker 2: mixing seventy seven, mixing failed people last time out, Nico
- 10:40Speaker 2: Collins is eighty three, and the way the slate plays out,
- 10:43Speaker 2: there's just so it's so easy to get to him.
- 10:45Speaker 2: One interesting note about that, though, I think you probably
- 10:48Speaker 2: you know remember this at least, or most out there
- 10:50Speaker 2: probably do but won't do this when they build their lineups.
- 10:53Speaker 2: Is that he actually played. I would say probably worse
- 10:56Speaker 2: when tag Dell was out last time, right, it was
- 10:58Speaker 2: like he didn't actually have the best games. People were
- 11:00Speaker 2: saying the offense is a little bit tricky when you
- 11:02Speaker 2: know they can just cover him a little bit easier,
- 11:04Speaker 2: a little bit more so I'll have to wait and
- 11:06Speaker 2: see Kelsey the most expensive tight end but only fifty
- 11:09Speaker 2: three hundred, so easy to get to there. And then
- 11:12Speaker 2: defense is kind of spread out a little bit. But
- 11:14Speaker 2: let's go to quarterback first and get your thoughts here.
- 11:16Speaker 2: Who Lamar Jackson down to a fifty five hundred dollars
- 11:19Speaker 2: Russell Wilson quite a bit cheaper than Lamar in his
- 11:22Speaker 2: game going against Kansas City.
- 11:24Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean kind of the same approach for me,
- 11:28Speaker 3: somewhat similar when it comes to Lamar, at least, like
- 11:30Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to get as much Lamar as possible
- 11:33Speaker 3: on the slate. What was the fantasy point output last game?
- 11:36Speaker 3: I did want to pull that up. He Yeah, so
- 11:39Speaker 3: twenty one was the highest scoring I believe on the slate.
- 11:43Speaker 3: We have a lot of cheap options to make it work.
- 11:46Speaker 3: It just seems so much better than these other guys,
- 11:48Speaker 3: Like I just want as much of him as possible,
- 11:51Speaker 3: and I have a feeling I'll be able to make
- 11:53Speaker 3: it all work today. So Lamar for me is pretty simple.
- 11:57Speaker 3: You know, the guys that you compare him with, the ends,
- 12:00Speaker 3: you know, Mark Andrews, Like, people just continue to overlook him,
- 12:05Speaker 3: you know, almost every single slate. I mean, he started
- 12:08Speaker 3: out so slow to the season. Don't get me wrong,
- 12:10Speaker 3: it was a very slow start for Mark Andrews. But
- 12:13Speaker 3: he's been totally fine. I know we're talking quarterback, but
- 12:16Speaker 3: like you know, that's very important for Lamar Jackson to
- 12:19Speaker 3: have him. He's had touchdowns in four straight games, five
- 12:23Speaker 3: out of six, six out of eight game. I mean
- 12:26Speaker 3: you go back to Week six, right, touchdown, two touchdowns, touchdown,
- 12:30Speaker 3: no touchdown, touchdown, no touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. He's got
- 12:35Speaker 3: nine touchdowns in the season all like basically in the
- 12:37Speaker 3: last like a like ten games.
- 12:40Speaker 2: Yeah, he was washed. Remember you got in the cardson
- 12:43Speaker 2: he could never play again.
- 12:44Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's that's the guy Lamar wants to
- 12:46Speaker 3: go to in the red zone, and people just continue
- 12:49Speaker 3: to overlook him. I mean he wasn't. He wasn't on
- 12:52Speaker 3: a two game slate. I think he was only like
- 12:53Speaker 3: twenty percent last time out. Now maybe that comes up
- 12:56Speaker 3: a little bit here, but it's gonna be the same
- 12:58Speaker 3: thing this late at tight end when we get there.
- 13:00Speaker 3: All teams have solid tight ends, some teams have two.
- 13:03Speaker 3: But you know, going bring it all back to the
- 13:04Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson conversation. No, his connection with Mark Andrews is
- 13:09Speaker 3: very solid. I want him. The rushing upside very good.
- 13:12Speaker 3: I mean he could just dust this position today. After
- 13:15Speaker 3: him though, gets icy, like it gets very dicey. The
- 13:20Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes stuff, Like, Man, you know you're the never
- 13:24Speaker 3: Mahomes guy. And it's worked out I think basically every
- 13:26Speaker 3: single week throughout your DFS playing career. But it's two
- 13:30Speaker 3: games slate. You know where I really struggle is in
- 13:34Speaker 3: the middle, honestly with like Mahomes and CJ. Stroud and like,
- 13:38Speaker 3: I'm the type of person on these slates, on these
- 13:40Speaker 3: two game slates, I like to fade one quarterback right.
- 13:43Speaker 3: I like to say this is not going to be
- 13:45Speaker 3: the guy. And I'm struggling on this slate to locate
- 13:49Speaker 3: who that guy is going to be. Last time out,
- 13:51Speaker 3: it was Russell Wilson. I didn't play him. It worked
- 13:53Speaker 3: out just fine. I fully faded him. This laid, I'm
- 13:57Speaker 3: a little more hesitant just to whack him out like
- 14:00Speaker 3: he gets pickens back, which has been huge. He's willing
- 14:03Speaker 3: to run, and we saw it last last game. I
- 14:05Speaker 3: mean he took off. He ended up fumbling, but you know,
- 14:08Speaker 3: he takes off in pretty key spots pickings back. Potentially
- 14:12Speaker 3: playing from behind at home, I and the cheapest quarterback
- 14:16Speaker 3: on the slate. I don't know if I want it
- 14:18Speaker 3: to be Russell Wilson today or tomorrow as the guy
- 14:22Speaker 3: I fade. So I'm kind of, you know, struggling. I
- 14:25Speaker 3: guess after Lamar what I want to do at at quarterback,
- 14:29Speaker 3: you know, I guess maybe c J. Stroud does make
- 14:31Speaker 3: sense potentially playing from behind the Ravens. He beat him passing,
- 14:36Speaker 3: not throwing the ball. Joe Mixon hasn't looked great on
- 14:39Speaker 3: the ground. Maybe they just say, all right, you know,
- 14:41Speaker 3: screw it, We're just going to pass the ball time.
- 14:43Speaker 3: So maybe it's Mahomes. Maybe Mahomes is a guy that
- 14:45Speaker 3: I either acts out or go underweight on. But I
- 14:47Speaker 3: definitely feel good with Lamar, I think I may have
- 14:49Speaker 3: just talked myself into c J. Stroud, Russell Wilson, cheapest
- 14:54Speaker 3: quarterback willing to run a little bit. Maybe it is
- 14:56Speaker 3: never mahomes for hoop on Christmas Day. I don't know
- 14:59Speaker 3: what are your thoughts here.
- 15:00Speaker 2: Yeah, it's usually the case, obviously on short slates, I
- 15:02Speaker 2: would say, except for showdown in short slate's like two
- 15:04Speaker 2: games of course. But to your point, I mean, you've
- 15:07Speaker 2: called this all season then wanting to ground and pound it. Well,
- 15:08Speaker 2: now they got two guys they can do it with,
- 15:10Speaker 2: because Pacheco and Hunt both looked fine. Hunt looked really
- 15:12Speaker 2: good actually coming in and stepping in for him where
- 15:15Speaker 2: you know, he was almost running pacheck O esque of
- 15:17Speaker 2: like the stopping the feet and getting through and gain
- 15:19Speaker 2: those extra three to four yards. So they usually usually
- 15:21Speaker 2: Andy Reid will reward that and keep it rolling. So
- 15:24Speaker 2: I like that call out, how do you not play Stroud?
- 15:27Speaker 2: Is my opinion of the setup with going against Baltimore.
- 15:30Speaker 2: It's like, this is the spot. They're five and a
- 15:32Speaker 2: half point dogs at home though, and in the spot
- 15:35Speaker 2: that they're playing, so I think, to me, that's good,
- 15:37Speaker 2: and then I pop this build up just to show
- 15:40Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, Pickens, Friarmouth bring it back with worthy. If
- 15:44Speaker 2: you're not on Lamar, I think you're automatically trying to
- 15:46Speaker 2: get Henry in there and just hoping it's good. I mean,
- 15:49Speaker 2: there's a fifty to fifty shot. This is the lineup
- 15:51Speaker 2: right here. Who because there's fifty to fifty left. Yeah,
- 15:54Speaker 2: you get a cheap d fifty fifty. You know those
- 15:57Speaker 2: you love to gamble on the fifty fifties, don't you.
- 16:01Speaker 2: They They've got a big one here now where I live,
- 16:03Speaker 2: And it's like the fight. It supports the firefighter community,
- 16:06Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, but everybody gets in it got
- 16:08Speaker 2: up to like seven hundred g's everyone here is just
- 16:11Speaker 2: a degenerate gambler, Like all right, let's keep it rolling
- 16:13Speaker 2: so everyone thinks they're gonna win it. But I haven't
- 16:16Speaker 2: seen it yet. But these builds like this looks pretty good.
- 16:19Speaker 2: And we haven't even put a defense in, which can't
- 16:21Speaker 2: be more than I don't know what would you put
- 16:23Speaker 2: in here. Let's say we put the ravens to go
- 16:25Speaker 2: with them. You have almost six k left. Like these,
- 16:28Speaker 2: these Russell Wilson builds look pretty good.
- 16:30Speaker 3: And I actually like that the thought process behind that
- 16:34Speaker 3: with like like Derrick Henry, because especially if you're a
- 16:37Speaker 3: hand building and I'm not even opposed to it in
- 16:39Speaker 3: an optimizer, and you probably just naturally get it, to
- 16:41Speaker 3: be honest with you, so you probably don't need to
- 16:43Speaker 3: do this. But like that sort of build you had
- 16:46Speaker 3: head up where you're fading Lamar like Dereck Henry should
- 16:48Speaker 3: definitely be a staple in those lines. And again I
- 16:51Speaker 3: think it just naturally happens in an optimizer just because
- 16:54Speaker 3: you have the money to spend. But if you're handbuilding
- 16:57Speaker 3: for sure and not playing Lamar, I love just you know,
- 16:59Speaker 3: playing Derrick Henry, which again it's not that's not like
- 17:03Speaker 3: an earth shattering news, but you know, even setting up
- 17:06Speaker 3: that rule, I don't necessarily hate. And this is true.
- 17:09Speaker 3: Man Like, I was watching that everyone was watching the
- 17:10Speaker 3: game with Stroud. He was looking good. I mean that
- 17:13Speaker 3: Tank Dell situation really messed him up. I mean again,
- 17:16Speaker 3: people handle situations differently, but man, like, you're in the
- 17:20Speaker 3: middle of an NFL game and I get like the
- 17:22Speaker 3: emotions are high, but he couldn't stay composed at all,
- 17:25Speaker 3: And I had a feeling like after that like he
- 17:27Speaker 3: was going to be done, and that really was the case,
- 17:29Speaker 3: Like he was. He was messed up from that injury,
- 17:32Speaker 3: and I was a little bit shocked that, like he
- 17:35Speaker 3: could not stay composed like at all in that situation.
- 17:38Speaker 2: Yeah, his teammates talking to him. Obviously part of what
- 17:40Speaker 2: we were saying was around that.
- 17:41Speaker 3: But Glenn, no, No, I was just saying, like, yeah,
- 17:43Speaker 3: they're like consoling him like I thought he was. You know,
- 17:46Speaker 3: he might have been done. And I mean he was
- 17:48Speaker 3: done from a performance standpoint because he didn't do anything
- 17:50Speaker 3: the rest of the game. But that truly did mess
- 17:52Speaker 3: him up in that game, the injury.
- 17:54Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And I mean, obviously we don't I
- 17:56Speaker 2: don't know personally how strong their relationship is versus others
- 17:59Speaker 2: on the team, et cetera. And obviously, if we can
- 18:02Speaker 2: sit here and say, what a gruesome injury, what a
- 18:04Speaker 2: sad scene, you know, Adell again to getting hurt and
- 18:07Speaker 2: just another setup for him. It's hard to watch. But
- 18:09Speaker 2: like you said, in a game factor like that, and
- 18:11Speaker 2: that's why you know, you see certain things like that,
- 18:13Speaker 2: you just sort of kick back. You can't really make
- 18:15Speaker 2: too much of an opinion on it. Besides what you
- 18:16Speaker 2: saw happen, and he did shut down after the fact.
- 18:20Speaker 2: I guess you know, this is the way to look
- 18:21Speaker 2: at it, Like with the Lamar situation, Like, okay, let's
- 18:25Speaker 2: put the cheap d in it too. Let's go with
- 18:27Speaker 2: Kansas City. We have no Pittsburgh in here right now.
- 18:29Speaker 2: It's not that far off, hoo. So like just quick comparison,
- 18:32Speaker 2: this is the best way to do these shows. We
- 18:34Speaker 2: had Russell Wilson with Pickens, Friarmouth, Henry and the Ravens
- 18:40Speaker 2: D or do you like it set up better with Lamar,
- 18:43Speaker 2: Ze Flowers, Mark Andrew Andrews, Nico Collins and the Kansas
- 18:48Speaker 2: City Chiefs D. What build do you think is better
- 18:51Speaker 2: in this spot?
- 18:52Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I kind of like this one a
- 18:53Speaker 3: little bit more, but the other one looks good too.
- 18:56Speaker 3: And I mean it's a two game slate with soft pricing,
- 18:58Speaker 3: so I mean, the one thing they can definitely take
- 19:00Speaker 3: away is you build your team, you're probably gonna look
- 19:03Speaker 3: at it and say, yeah, this looks pretty damn good.
- 19:05Speaker 3: You know. That's that's the one thing. On a two
- 19:07Speaker 3: game slate, soft pricing, with essentially superstars on every team,
- 19:11Speaker 3: most builds are gonna look good. So you're really picking
- 19:14Speaker 3: hairs in terms of what you you know, what you prefer.
- 19:17Speaker 3: But for me, like I think, I'm just gonna prefer
- 19:19Speaker 3: Lamar at the quarterback position in most spots. So but
- 19:24Speaker 3: those those yeah, those those builds look really nice.
- 19:27Speaker 2: We don't have any ownership yet, but I wonder how
- 19:29Speaker 2: that plays out because you know, Lamar is easy to
- 19:31Speaker 2: get to. Yet if people are going to be heavier
- 19:33Speaker 2: on Henry and you know, Collins in that game because
- 19:36Speaker 2: they can just fit them both, maybe they do come
- 19:38Speaker 2: down on quarterback and feel safe with Stroud or Wilson,
- 19:41Speaker 2: or they want Mahome. Somebody even said in the chat
- 19:43Speaker 2: about the the Netflix Quarterback special with Patrick Mahomes, so
- 19:47Speaker 2: of course it's got to be him, which I'll pull
- 19:49Speaker 2: some builds in a second on him. But I will
- 19:50Speaker 2: say this, Lamar, believe it or not, people would say
- 19:53Speaker 2: what they want, still fighting for that m VP, Josh
- 19:56Speaker 2: Allen not the best game last game. Well, they got
- 19:58Speaker 2: the job done. He's still the favorite, and for good reason.
- 20:00Speaker 2: It's not a homersm here. I'm just saying Lamar is
- 20:03Speaker 2: still fighting for it. They got the job done. Again,
- 20:06Speaker 2: Lamar didn't have to do as much, but he still
- 20:08Speaker 2: did something. And if they can win out and he
- 20:10Speaker 2: can be the big part of why they do, which
- 20:12Speaker 2: he likely will be, that's still good for him. So
- 20:14Speaker 2: I think Lamar is gonna press here. I think it's
- 20:16Speaker 2: a great spot to do so, So if those two builds,
- 20:18Speaker 2: I actually prefer the Lamar, And regardless of ownership, I like,
- 20:22Speaker 2: we'll get to this when we get to wide receiver.
- 20:24Speaker 2: But just for the sake of building this, I'm gonna
- 20:26Speaker 2: put Worthy in. But even just to put like a Kelsey,
- 20:30Speaker 2: maybe we put a Pickens and then we put a
- 20:34Speaker 2: Ravens D fifty seven hundred. You got a lot more
- 20:38Speaker 2: money to spend here, so I think you can automatically
- 20:41Speaker 2: get to You can get to Dereck Henry and still
- 20:44Speaker 2: almost have five K left, so at least something interesting
- 20:46Speaker 2: to your previous point. All these builds look good, but
- 20:50Speaker 2: there's like no holes in this building. We still got
- 20:52Speaker 2: money to spend. We got plenty of money, so, you know,
- 20:55Speaker 2: just a key takeaway there. I certainly think that's, you know,
- 20:58Speaker 2: worth playing around with when you get to it later.
- 21:00Speaker 2: And then there's moves that you can make. Talk to
- 21:02Speaker 2: some people recently about this with the bottom up builds
- 21:05Speaker 2: and stuff. You mentioned Marquise Brown, Well, if you know
- 21:08Speaker 2: there's a pick up another eleven hundred dollars, or put
- 21:11Speaker 2: him into that lineup and double stack Mahomes that way
- 21:13Speaker 2: in triple stack them with Worthy Mahomes or sorry, mahomes
- 21:17Speaker 2: with Worthy, Brown and Kelsey. However you really want to
- 21:20Speaker 2: shake it out, you can do it. So there's a
- 21:22Speaker 2: lot of different ways you can go on this slate.
- 21:24Speaker 2: I'm interested in really keeping all these quarterbacks in my
- 21:27Speaker 2: pool and just adjusting my exposures. Where I'm going to
- 21:30Speaker 2: look to get different is when we get to some
- 21:31Speaker 2: of these other positions. So let's move on and go
- 21:33Speaker 2: to running back. You hit on it a little with
- 21:35Speaker 2: the Raven situation with Ali, you hit on it a
- 21:38Speaker 2: little bit with Hunt. We talked about Derek Henry. Where
- 21:41Speaker 2: does Joe Mixon fall in here? And then what about
- 21:43Speaker 2: these running backs?
- 21:44Speaker 3: Yeah, so the mixing thing I think is the most
- 21:46Speaker 3: interesting part about this slate because he just burned everyone.
- 21:51Speaker 3: Was it four or five days ago whatever? I think
- 21:53Speaker 3: they played on Saturday, Sunday and Monday, Tuesday Wednesday, So
- 21:56Speaker 3: four days ago kind of just burned everybody. I had
- 21:59Speaker 3: a high price to we have some solid options. If
- 22:02Speaker 3: people are spending, they're gonna want to go to Derrick Henry,
- 22:05Speaker 3: They're gonna want to go to Lamar at quarterback. They're
- 22:07Speaker 3: gonna want to go to Nico Collins at wide receiver.
- 22:11Speaker 3: We have Pickens back, which you know people are gonna
- 22:13Speaker 3: want to play him a little bit too. Think there's
- 22:16Speaker 3: a chance Mixon gets squeezed. Now, getting squeezed is different
- 22:19Speaker 3: on a two game slate versus a full slate. He's
- 22:21Speaker 3: still going to have big ownership, and we don't have
- 22:24Speaker 3: the numbers at this point. Like people are still gonna
- 22:26Speaker 3: play Joe Mixon at a high rate, but it is
- 22:28Speaker 3: going to be it almost has to be lower than
- 22:31Speaker 3: it was four days ago, Like there's no doubt about it,
- 22:33Speaker 3: because everyone else has a spend looks much more appealing
- 22:37Speaker 3: than Joe Mixon does. I believe he was the highest
- 22:40Speaker 3: owned or if not one of them, he's way up.
- 22:42Speaker 3: He is sixty percent out and so sixty three I think,
- 22:45Speaker 3: you know, Jay Flowers is right there, Nico Collins right there.
- 22:48Speaker 3: Mixon is going to come down from whatever number it
- 22:51Speaker 3: truly was last week. How low is the question? What
- 22:54Speaker 3: you do with them is a question as well, because
- 22:56Speaker 3: all the spends at running back wi receiver, he's the
- 23:01Speaker 3: one that looks the least appealing. I would say the
- 23:04Speaker 3: matchup isn't great. He sucked for us four days ago.
- 23:07Speaker 3: For everyone, he was the highest own guy. So I
- 23:09Speaker 3: think mixing and what you do with him is a
- 23:13Speaker 3: big talking point on the slate. You know, Derrick Henry
- 23:17Speaker 3: very solid option. I think he's gonna have higher ownership.
- 23:20Speaker 3: But man, like, if you're not playing Lamar, you know,
- 23:23Speaker 3: Derrick Henry looks good, and you can play them together too.
- 23:26Speaker 3: And I think playing them together is even more viable
- 23:28Speaker 3: this week assuming Justice Hill misses. Like if Justice Hill
- 23:32Speaker 3: does indeed miss, which I don't know, I'm kind of
- 23:35Speaker 3: thinking that is the case at this point. I mean,
- 23:37Speaker 3: concussion didn't practice four day turnaround, I bet there's no
- 23:41Speaker 3: chance that he gets cleared. I think that's a boost.
- 23:43Speaker 3: Obviously it's a boost for Derek Henry, but I think
- 23:45Speaker 3: it's a big boost for the Lamar Derrick Henry stack.
- 23:50Speaker 3: And you can make you'll be able to make it work.
- 23:51Speaker 3: I mean, like you plug in a cheap defense, you're
- 23:53Speaker 3: immediately probably up to five k uh fifty one hundred.
- 23:58Speaker 3: There's cheap tight ends or cheap wide receiver. You can
- 24:00Speaker 3: easily make it work without sacrificing much in your line.
- 24:03Speaker 3: As we have a lot of cheap wide receivers play
- 24:05Speaker 3: cheap tight ends, double tight end very viable. So Henry
- 24:08Speaker 3: clearly very strong option. You know, the Pacheco Hunt situation,
- 24:13Speaker 3: I mean that that game the Chiefs in the Steelers
- 24:16Speaker 3: game is you know, both teams have multiple running backs
- 24:20Speaker 3: and it's pretty close to a split in the KC game.
- 24:24Speaker 3: You know, now we have Pachecko and Huntley but five
- 24:27Speaker 3: hundred dollars apart. So it's it's come come a little closer.
- 24:31Speaker 3: I don't know, I just uh man like, it's tough.
- 24:35Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it's tough. I mean the running back
- 24:37Speaker 3: position again, it's going to be very similar. It's just
- 24:39Speaker 3: not going to be fun. And I think a lot
- 24:42Speaker 3: of four wide receiver builds, a lot of two tight
- 24:44Speaker 3: end builds are going to look way better than three
- 24:47Speaker 3: running back builds. Yes, you know, so, I don't know,
- 24:50Speaker 3: I just don't love it there. I mean, in case
- 24:53Speaker 3: it's basically a split, I'll probably be under I'm assuming
- 24:56Speaker 3: Hunt's ownership comes up again, we don't have anything. It's
- 24:59Speaker 3: clearly going to come from last week because the role
- 25:01Speaker 3: is much bigger than I've went anticipated. But I'll probably
- 25:05Speaker 3: be underweight. I'm assuming I'm both those guys, and I'm
- 25:09Speaker 3: gonna take my same approach with with Pittsburgh that I
- 25:12Speaker 3: had last week. You know, way underway, I faded, I
- 25:15Speaker 3: came close to fading Nagie Harris. I just let it run,
- 25:17Speaker 3: like I put in certain minimums for guys that I
- 25:20Speaker 3: wanted let it run. I think I had like ten
- 25:22Speaker 3: percent Naji Harris, way under the field on Nase, and
- 25:25Speaker 3: then I was kind of over on Jalen Warren. I
- 25:28Speaker 3: think I'm gonna do anything. The interesting part this week, though,
- 25:30Speaker 3: is Jalen Warren is now more expensive than Najie Harris
- 25:33Speaker 3: by one hundred. I think I still preferred Warren because
- 25:37Speaker 3: I know Nase's gonna be much higher on. So that's
- 25:39Speaker 3: something to keep an eye. But the running backs, it's
- 25:41Speaker 3: very difficult in this casey Pittsburgh game in Baltimore, Houston.
- 25:46Speaker 3: We know the guys. It's Derrick Henry, it's Joe Mixon.
- 25:48Speaker 3: But I'm just gonna go back to my initial point.
- 25:51Speaker 3: I think Joe Mixon and what you do with him
- 25:53Speaker 3: is very, very vital to this light.
- 25:56Speaker 2: Yeah, so just real quick, I'm gonna touch on running
- 25:59Speaker 2: back myself and just come, you know, go go with
- 26:01Speaker 2: some of those other points in a second. But Mark Andrews,
- 26:03Speaker 2: if I plug him in here in this build, you
- 26:05Speaker 2: still fifty seven hundred. And we got cheap wide receivers
- 26:07Speaker 2: for sure, not just the Houston scenarios. I know, we'll
- 26:09Speaker 2: get there in a second, but you've got the the
- 26:11Speaker 2: lower owned Kansas City sorry, the lower price Kansas City
- 26:14Speaker 2: guys like Marquise Brown or if you end up getting
- 26:16Speaker 2: to Hopkins. But one thing I like about Shipdeviizer is
- 26:19Speaker 2: when I pull Andrews out, it just notches prior Mouth
- 26:22Speaker 2: back in. And this was to show you this too.
- 26:24Speaker 2: This is over fifty three hundred now with Lamar Henry Hunt,
- 26:29Speaker 2: who makes sense after people just saw the work that
- 26:31Speaker 2: he got someone like fire Mouth if they're looking for
- 26:33Speaker 2: a secondary stack. We all know after the million Maker
- 26:36Speaker 2: on Sunday that you have to pair your defense with
- 26:38Speaker 2: your quarterback to win. So people see this fifty three hundred,
- 26:41Speaker 2: I mean this is another version where to your point,
- 26:43Speaker 2: usually they're ceiling, you know, they'll they'll sort of eat
- 26:46Speaker 2: each other's lunch, if you will, of Lamar and Henry,
- 26:49Speaker 2: but on a two game slate like Showdown, very similar,
- 26:52Speaker 2: where it's it's not as important for that. The bigger
- 26:55Speaker 2: point though, that I want to make that I think
- 26:57Speaker 2: you hit on and started on, is when we pull
- 26:59Speaker 2: all this out and leave Derrick Henry, what is going
- 27:02Speaker 2: to be extremely popular and what you'll see left in
- 27:05Speaker 2: a lot of your lineups is to remember it's a
- 27:07Speaker 2: two games staggered slate. You have you know, late swap
- 27:10Speaker 2: is massive for this. If you've got this left over
- 27:13Speaker 2: and you're way behind in your tournaments, you're almost best
- 27:16Speaker 2: just to x those two out and play Mixing and
- 27:20Speaker 2: play Zay and just leave the two grand because you're
- 27:24Speaker 2: down anyway and you just have to take the shot
- 27:26Speaker 2: on it. And how would it work ze, You know,
- 27:29Speaker 2: Mixon would get there and then Zay would be on
- 27:31Speaker 2: the run back. And so that's kind of the setup
- 27:33Speaker 2: that I'm thinking about here. If you have more spots
- 27:35Speaker 2: to work with, even better, knowing that how you can
- 27:38Speaker 2: flip the build and you can flip the build to
- 27:40Speaker 2: this and have almost two grand or twenty six hundred
- 27:43Speaker 2: or something like that made my mask baden at sixteen.
- 27:45Speaker 2: But you get what I'm saying, a lot of money
- 27:47Speaker 2: left over if you can just flip the build and
- 27:48Speaker 2: you get a chance with this slate being that it's
- 27:50Speaker 2: staggered to make that decision. As far as the other
- 27:53Speaker 2: running backs go, I think it's it's interesting to what
- 27:56Speaker 2: you said. A lot of split points here because no
- 28:00Speaker 2: less money than Warren. Not sure how people will feel
- 28:03Speaker 2: about it, but I would assume they go Nause just
- 28:04Speaker 2: because he's cheaper one hundred bucks and they just always
- 28:06Speaker 2: would like him. I'm guessing I did have the props
- 28:09Speaker 2: up here before, since we didn't have a lot of
- 28:11Speaker 2: other stuff. I wonder if that's up yet for Yeah,
- 28:13Speaker 2: so Nause is plus one twenty five. Anytime touchdown, got
- 28:17Speaker 2: got a someone got a fill in for title here.
- 28:19Speaker 3: Show we gotta take titles roll for sure. Yeah, that's
- 28:21Speaker 3: what we got our guy.
- 28:22Speaker 2: I hope he's enjoying the holidays with his his family
- 28:25Speaker 2: and just going through it here. Harris is plus one
- 28:28Speaker 2: twenty five, Warren is plus two forty, and then you
- 28:31Speaker 2: go down to the rushing props. It's very similar between
- 28:35Speaker 2: the two there. But but Harris does have a bigger number,
- 28:38Speaker 2: and then where's my uh, where's my receiving props? See
- 28:41Speaker 2: if I can get that one up to Swarren is
- 28:45Speaker 2: about twenty, Harris is going to be less there, So
- 28:47Speaker 2: I mean it's pretty close, but the touchdown props lead
- 28:49Speaker 2: it there. So my point being, I think Harris more popular.
- 28:52Speaker 2: We like to pay up for probability, probability even though
- 28:54Speaker 2: it's one hundred bucks more. And then don't you feel
- 28:57Speaker 2: the same about Pacheco and Hunt? Now Hunts clearly the guy.
- 29:00Speaker 2: They just saw it five days ago. They're not comfortable
- 29:03Speaker 2: with Pacheco anymore, and Pacheco's five hundred dollars more, and
- 29:06Speaker 2: then I still have interest in Pacheco either way.
- 29:09Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wanted to take a look at FanDuel
- 29:12Speaker 3: because I know last week not Jalen Warren was substantially
- 29:16Speaker 3: cheaper than Nase, So that situation Nase six k, Jalen
- 29:22Speaker 3: Warren fifty seven, so Jalen Morn three hundred dollars cheaper
- 29:26Speaker 3: on FanDuel. But the interesting one is definitely Hunting Pichecko.
- 29:29Speaker 3: Where Hunt is sixty two hundred, Pochecko's fifty nine hundred,
- 29:34Speaker 3: so it flips on both sites where Hunt is more
- 29:37Speaker 3: expensive than Pachecko by three hundred on FanDuel. So one
- 29:43Speaker 3: thing to take note of if you're playing over there.
- 29:46Speaker 2: There's your trifectave. Running backs that should be in good
- 29:48Speaker 2: spots have pretty good props. Still, I just looked it up.
- 29:51Speaker 2: Pachecko has a better touchdown prop then Hunt. Again, it's
- 29:55Speaker 2: just a prop. Anything can happen. I get all that
- 29:56Speaker 2: I'm saying, but just looking at those things and comparing them,
- 29:59Speaker 2: you have to everyone's very comfortable with Kareem Hunt at
- 30:02Speaker 2: just fifty two hundred after the game. He just had
- 30:05Speaker 2: one interesting note would also be that again it's different positions,
- 30:09Speaker 2: like I said with earlier, with you know, Mark Andrews
- 30:11Speaker 2: forty three hundred, rushin Ali is forty three hundred. If
- 30:14Speaker 2: it's a two tight end build again, if you're behind,
- 30:16Speaker 2: and if Justice Hill is out there, if if here,
- 30:19Speaker 2: I get it. But these are legitimate ifts for this
- 30:21Speaker 2: slate that's happening tomorrow, so it's not like we're way
- 30:24Speaker 2: off base here. You can flip to him at the
- 30:26Speaker 2: same price. Also, running back first wide receiver Hunt is
- 30:31Speaker 2: fifty two hundred and you mentioned it earlier. But when
- 30:34Speaker 2: we get to wide receiver. Hopkins is squeezed now because
- 30:36Speaker 2: people are comfortable with Worthy at fifty six hundred. People
- 30:40Speaker 2: like what they saw from Marquis Brown on the first
- 30:42Speaker 2: game back. Well, Hopkins right there, the man in the
- 30:45Speaker 2: middle could see some of that as well. And he's
- 30:47Speaker 2: fifty one hundred versus Hunt fifty two. So you got
- 30:49Speaker 2: to really plan your early games to be built around
- 30:53Speaker 2: these situations as well. What do you got here?
- 30:55Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean I think this was the talking
- 30:57Speaker 3: point that a lot of people had when Pacheco came back.
- 31:00Speaker 3: But now to me, this has gone on for like
- 31:02Speaker 3: three or four weeks, and Hunt has looked good. Hunt's
- 31:05Speaker 3: kind of getting back to like the pass catching stuff,
- 31:07Speaker 3: which I think they like. If he continues to play well,
- 31:10Speaker 3: I don't think it changes come playoff time. If Hunt
- 31:12Speaker 3: continues to play at the level he's playing, I would
- 31:15Speaker 3: not be surprised if it's more of a fifty to
- 31:17Speaker 3: fifty thing, you know, throughout the playoffs. Like, I just
- 31:20Speaker 3: see no reason for them just to flip the switch
- 31:22Speaker 3: and say we're going all Pat Checko all the time,
- 31:25Speaker 3: like Hunts looked good. Hunts probably looked better, to be
- 31:27Speaker 3: honest with you, and he kind of fits. I think
- 31:29Speaker 3: what they're trying to do offensively a little bit more so.
- 31:32Speaker 3: I was with you like two weeks ago, but at
- 31:34Speaker 3: this point I don't know if this necessarily the case.
- 31:37Speaker 3: We'll see though.
- 31:39Speaker 2: Yeah, that and also the I guess you've called it
- 31:42Speaker 2: all season on that, but that was the sort of
- 31:43Speaker 2: the scary part, just slipping back to quarterback again where
- 31:45Speaker 2: it gets tricky because you're like, well, do they really
- 31:47Speaker 2: need to push homes in this spot versus you know
- 31:49Speaker 2: what we've seen in the past. So we'll have to
- 31:51Speaker 2: wait and see. Yeah, Ross brought this one up as
- 31:54Speaker 2: a Ravens homer. Now I will go homer mode. This
- 31:56Speaker 2: is extremely tilting. Also likely in Week one against the Chiefs,
- 32:00Speaker 2: we played the worst game possible. Remember the refs, which,
- 32:03Speaker 2: by the way, they never call this anymore, hoop, They
- 32:05Speaker 2: don't call these shifts as much. Do you remember the
- 32:07Speaker 2: first game of the season.
- 32:09Speaker 3: It's so stupid.
- 32:11Speaker 2: Illegal shifts And the Ravens still were just a you know,
- 32:14Speaker 2: an inch or two away from likely being in there.
- 32:17Speaker 2: We could add a lot more wins, so I would
- 32:18Speaker 2: love to see them finish the season strong. But just
- 32:21Speaker 2: looking at some of these builds, I think running back
- 32:23Speaker 2: is I don't know we're going to wide receiver, so
- 32:25Speaker 2: it's a good segue hoop. But I truly think running
- 32:28Speaker 2: back is pretty the most interesting position so far because
- 32:32Speaker 2: we know people can get to Henry and they're fine
- 32:34Speaker 2: with it. But every other situation but check O versus Hunt,
- 32:37Speaker 2: Warren versus Harris, mixing on an island, if it's not
- 32:41Speaker 2: if Justice Hill's out Alee or something like that, like that,
- 32:44Speaker 2: that's kind of interesting too. So just got to think
- 32:46Speaker 2: about it as we go on. But let's move to
- 32:48Speaker 2: wide receiver. Keep it in the spirit of time here.
- 32:50Speaker 2: Obviously we've already looked at it very easy to get
- 32:52Speaker 2: to Collins, we expect Pickens to play. We know Zay
- 32:56Speaker 2: is right there at sixty four hundred. So I guess
- 32:59Speaker 2: the only thing I will say it's from the shells
- 33:01Speaker 2: that we built, it seems like as easy as it
- 33:03Speaker 2: is to get to these guys, it's it looks easier
- 33:05Speaker 2: to get to one or two of these guys and
- 33:08Speaker 2: then need a paydown. And I also think when you
- 33:11Speaker 2: look at Marquise Brown forty five hundred, you know, Bateman,
- 33:15Speaker 2: Mechi Woods, some of these guys that's where people are
- 33:18Speaker 2: going to find their one off. I don't know if
- 33:20Speaker 2: that's more interesting than the trickiness of running back and
- 33:23Speaker 2: the fragility there. But this is my thoughts on this leg.
- 33:26Speaker 2: What do you think about this wide receiver position?
- 33:27Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean running back. I think, just as we
- 33:31Speaker 3: talked through it previously, is like the probably the like
- 33:34Speaker 3: make or break position, Like what you do there. The
- 33:36Speaker 3: decisions are difficult, like a lot of the other decisions
- 33:38Speaker 3: throughout the slate are not that difficult. Like wide receiver,
- 33:41Speaker 3: I think it's very clear, you know what most will
- 33:44Speaker 3: do and probably what ends up on the winner. Tight
- 33:47Speaker 3: end for sure, like we we already know, like, oh
- 33:49Speaker 3: there's five, you know, five six tight ends, all in
- 33:52Speaker 3: really good spots, all playable like, but wide receivers very
- 33:56Speaker 3: cut and dry. Running back again, that's the that's the
- 33:58Speaker 3: tough spot for sure, Like what you do at running
- 34:01Speaker 3: back wide receiver. You know, we saw it with the Chiefs,
- 34:03Speaker 3: you know, Worthy Hopkins, Brown, that's what they want. I
- 34:06Speaker 3: think Hollywood Brown's snap numbers increase, his percentage of snap's increases,
- 34:12Speaker 3: and potentially more targets. He looked good. Mahomes is trying
- 34:15Speaker 3: to get him the ball Worthy after the big game,
- 34:18Speaker 3: you know, people are going to want to go right
- 34:20Speaker 3: back to him, and probably rightfully, so I think Hopkins
- 34:23Speaker 3: is the one, and you kind of alluded to it
- 34:24Speaker 3: that might go, you know, a little bit overlooked in
- 34:27Speaker 3: the Kansas City offense because you know, as we said,
- 34:30Speaker 3: like title kind of nailed it. Worthy is the wide
- 34:34Speaker 3: receiver won there and he looked like it and they
- 34:36Speaker 3: use him in a variety of ways. So Hopkins being
- 34:39Speaker 3: in the middle is the one that gets a little overlooked.
- 34:41Speaker 3: But man, he just has not had a big game
- 34:43Speaker 3: in quite some time, like it has not. I mean,
- 34:46Speaker 3: he's fine for what they want to do. He's more
- 34:48Speaker 3: of like a possession guy. But it's like his biggest
- 34:51Speaker 3: game in the last like seven weeks is fourteen Fantasy
- 34:54Speaker 3: points and that's probably not good enough to be on
- 34:56Speaker 3: the winner on the slate, So I get it. I'll
- 35:00Speaker 3: probably play some, but man, he's definitely the least appealing
- 35:03Speaker 3: on the Pittsburgh side. It's now going to be just
- 35:05Speaker 3: Pickens that people go to. We have better cheap options,
- 35:09Speaker 3: you know, will people still go to Kelvin Austin at
- 35:11Speaker 3: forty two hundred? You know, I don't know. I got
- 35:13Speaker 3: Van Jefferson, you got Mike Williams. People are gonna prefer
- 35:16Speaker 3: the Texans cheapies over these Pittsburgh chepis. So Pickens obviously
- 35:22Speaker 3: back in the mix. It makes it pretty easy with
- 35:24Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Baltimore. You know the story. You know, it's Jay
- 35:27Speaker 3: Flowers and Bateman's look good all year. I mean, Bateman's
- 35:29Speaker 3: been very, very solid. I know there are some injury concerns.
- 35:33Speaker 3: Last week he's the truly, truly, the only questionable guy.
- 35:35Speaker 3: Did catch the touchdown, but that was it, like just
- 35:38Speaker 3: just one touchdown. That's kind of all they needed out
- 35:40Speaker 3: of him. But you know, if you're playing Lamar Stacks
- 35:43Speaker 3: like it's Zay Flowers Bateman, it's hard to play anyone
- 35:46Speaker 3: else at wide receiver Houston. You know, Nico Collins is
- 35:49Speaker 3: going to be massively owned. It's such for them too.
- 35:52Speaker 3: I mean you look at their trio of wide receivers
- 35:54Speaker 3: going into the season, like Stefan Diggs, Tank Dell, Nico Collins.
- 35:58Speaker 3: That might have been the best like trio in the NFL, Like,
- 36:02Speaker 3: I mean that that's strong. Now they're down to just Nico.
- 36:05Speaker 3: He's gonna be very popular and then I think probably,
- 36:08Speaker 3: and we'll have to see. We don't have ownership, but
- 36:10Speaker 3: my guess is probably a pretty even split in ownership
- 36:15Speaker 3: between Woods, Mechi, and Hutchinson. I think people are gonna
- 36:19Speaker 3: play all of them and kind of mix and match
- 36:21Speaker 3: him as you go. I don't know if you had
- 36:22Speaker 3: like a stronger lean in terms of somebody getting a
- 36:25Speaker 3: lot of ownership there. But I'll pull up the props
- 36:27Speaker 3: on that too, because I am curious to see, like
- 36:29Speaker 3: what Vegas thinks in terms of the wide receivers. Yeah,
- 36:34Speaker 3: the Houston wide receivers, I'm gonna I'll pull it up
- 36:37Speaker 3: if you want to give you get them.
- 36:38Speaker 2: I don't see anything for the backups on my stuff.
- 36:40Speaker 2: I got Schultz at thirty four and a half, I
- 36:42Speaker 2: got Mixing at eighteen and a half, and I got
- 36:44Speaker 2: Nico at ninety two and a half. For Nico tomorrow Man.
- 36:48Speaker 3: Ninety two and a half, that's a big boy number.
- 36:50Speaker 2: That's a big boy number right now, all right.
- 36:51Speaker 3: So here it is yay, so okay. So Mechi has
- 36:55Speaker 3: a much stronger number than the rest. Mechi is sitting
- 36:57Speaker 3: at twenty seven and a half and he is what
- 37:00Speaker 3: four k And then Robert Woods fifteen and a half,
- 37:03Speaker 3: Hutchinson thirteen and a half. So Vegas clearly thinks it's
- 37:07Speaker 3: gonna be Mechi as like the next guy in line.
- 37:12Speaker 2: So let's see what that looks like. So Mechi's four K,
- 37:15Speaker 2: and the thing about him is there's no one else
- 37:17Speaker 2: like I don't think now that Pickens is back people
- 37:19Speaker 2: even again, I always say this like it's everyone. It's not. Obviously,
- 37:22Speaker 2: people play a ton of different dudes and fill out
- 37:24Speaker 2: their lineups and over the portfolio you'll see it. But
- 37:27Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people get excited about
- 37:29Speaker 2: Mike Williams, Van Jefferson, Robert Woods, you know, usually gets
- 37:33Speaker 2: mentioned a little bit, but you don't see it. I
- 37:35Speaker 2: think people do go and I don't think anyone wants
- 37:36Speaker 2: to play forty two hundred dollars Austin, So you have
- 37:39Speaker 2: to think whop like man, these three are kind of
- 37:42Speaker 2: the ones, right, and even you could lump Hopkins into it,
- 37:44Speaker 2: But Hopkins, Bateman, Brown, Mechi, those all seem like pretty
- 37:48Speaker 2: good options in there that at least gets somewhat captain check.
- 37:52Speaker 2: Could you see a world where Mechi gets steamed up
- 37:54Speaker 2: here at four K? Or no?
- 37:56Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think people are still gonna
- 37:57Speaker 3: play all those because he has a little bit more
- 37:59Speaker 3: expensive of you know, not massively, but two hundred more
- 38:02Speaker 3: than Woods and then seven hundred more than Hutchinson. I
- 38:07Speaker 3: don't think so, man, I think it gets spread out
- 38:09Speaker 3: because there's other options around there, even you know, start
- 38:12Speaker 3: looking Marquis Brown's five hundred dollars more, Bateman's eight hundred
- 38:15Speaker 3: dollars more. The one thing I did want to point
- 38:17Speaker 3: out just going through these props, man, the numbers are
- 38:19Speaker 3: really bad for these KC pass catchers. Kelsey forty five yardage,
- 38:24Speaker 3: like that's probably the lowest ever Worthy forty five, DeAndre
- 38:29Speaker 3: Hopkins sitting at thirty three yards and they don't have
- 38:32Speaker 3: anything for Hollywood Brown. But man, that is a there
- 38:35Speaker 3: are some low numbers for the KC pass catchers, Like.
- 38:40Speaker 2: What do they think is gonna happen? Though, like you can,
- 38:42Speaker 2: it's really tough to run on the Steelers, so I
- 38:44Speaker 2: know it like hunting, but checko org, what what's the
- 38:46Speaker 2: rushing crops on those guys? Again, we looked them up
- 38:48Speaker 2: a minute ago. What were they.
- 38:51Speaker 3: Let's see rushing yards. I'll just do rushing plus receiving because.
- 38:56Speaker 2: Yeah, true. I see the rushing around thirty and.
- 38:58Speaker 3: Forty, thirty and forty yeah for the rush yards and
- 39:02Speaker 3: kind of the same with Nase naj forty one, Jalen
- 39:05Speaker 3: Warren thirty six. When you add in receiving, Oh they
- 39:09Speaker 3: do it weird. Now, I can't stand how they do
- 39:11Speaker 3: it on here rushing pressure receiving over under Warren. So
- 39:15Speaker 3: in that game, Warren has the highest number sitting at sixty,
- 39:20Speaker 3: Najie Harris fifty three. Yeah, it's at thirty three, and
- 39:27Speaker 3: then Kareem Hunt forty one. It's nasty, man, it is.
- 39:30Speaker 3: It is nasty with those running backs.
- 39:32Speaker 2: So the reason I brought it up, I know we're
- 39:33Speaker 2: on wide receiver. We're going to move to tight end
- 39:35Speaker 2: here shortly. But just to note, it goes with all
- 39:37Speaker 2: this conversation around roster construction, thinking about your builds, because
- 39:40Speaker 2: like Hoop said it, they're all strong builds when you
- 39:43Speaker 2: just put them down on paper and you got to
- 39:44Speaker 2: decide what's best for you your portfolio, how many lineups
- 39:47Speaker 2: you're playing, what type of player you are. You know,
- 39:49Speaker 2: the typical thing is somebody asking a one v one.
- 39:51Speaker 2: It depends that you want to play in the twenty
- 39:53Speaker 2: dollars lottery are you, you know, playing in the one
- 39:55Speaker 2: fifty three max. There's a lot of different decisions, but
- 39:57Speaker 2: it seems like to me, Hoop I will be super
- 40:00Speaker 2: super popular, which is not a shocker. I'm just saying,
- 40:03Speaker 2: but because of the uncertainty at the other spots, it's
- 40:06Speaker 2: really easy to get Nico Collins. So all I'm saying
- 40:09Speaker 2: all this why ties into Wide Receiver with the Nico
- 40:11Speaker 2: Collins situation is I don't think Lamar will be as
- 40:14Speaker 2: popular because even when you go Lamar in, it's tricky
- 40:18Speaker 2: because you can't get I mean, I guess if people
- 40:21Speaker 2: make those decisions, it's easy when they go with the
- 40:23Speaker 2: Lamar lineups to flip it, but we don't. I also
- 40:26Speaker 2: don't think they just you know, with Bateman was Zay
- 40:29Speaker 2: with the tight end when we get there in a second,
- 40:31Speaker 2: it feels like they'll all be somewhat kept in check.
- 40:33Speaker 2: So I kind of like these Lamar stacks more and
- 40:35Speaker 2: more the more I think about it. For tomorrow. The
- 40:37Speaker 2: other thing at Wide Receiver already mentioned the Hopkins thing
- 40:39Speaker 2: being the man in the middle. I talked about the
- 40:41Speaker 2: Mechi Woods thing down there. Xavier Hutchinson I don't see
- 40:44Speaker 2: a lot of guys down the board that I have
- 40:46Speaker 2: a ton of interest in. But I think just leaving
- 40:49Speaker 2: some money based on like not playing Nico Collins. I
- 40:52Speaker 2: know he has the best number. I have a ton
- 40:54Speaker 2: of Nico Collins, but how you're using him not who
- 40:56Speaker 2: you play, it's how you play him. We'll really run
- 40:58Speaker 2: into the situation in the late swap with Nico Collins
- 41:02Speaker 2: and with Derrick Henry, who I talk about.
- 41:06Speaker 3: Yep, No, I definitely agree with you. I definitely agree
- 41:08Speaker 3: And yeah, just just looking at all this stuff, man,
- 41:11Speaker 3: in that that first game, the Casey Pittsburgh game, ownership
- 41:17Speaker 3: got to be substantially lower in that game versus the
- 41:21Speaker 3: second game by a pretty wide margin. I mean, when
- 41:23Speaker 3: when you start looking at it, like the ownership with
- 41:25Speaker 3: the Casey pass catcher is going to get really spread out.
- 41:27Speaker 3: We don't know which running backs you know to play
- 41:30Speaker 3: in that game. Pickings is Pickens the highestone guy probably
- 41:34Speaker 3: in that game, right, it's probably probably taking the quarterbacks
- 41:38Speaker 3: out of the pick.
- 41:39Speaker 2: The running backs are hard to pick between, so it's
- 41:41Speaker 2: got to be got to be Pickens for that.
- 41:43Speaker 3: It has to be Pickens, because there's five or six
- 41:45Speaker 3: different tight ends that people want to play. So it's
- 41:47Speaker 3: it's wild to look at this and say, yeah, Pickens
- 41:50Speaker 3: is going to be the highest owned guy in that
- 41:51Speaker 3: first game.
- 41:53Speaker 2: Okay, what is going on here? Let me just look
- 41:55Speaker 2: at this for a second, because you already brought it up.
- 41:56Speaker 2: I got to just see this for myself. So these
- 41:58Speaker 2: guys that I have on the screen at the start
- 42:00Speaker 2: of the season, I mean, if you saw this, or
- 42:02Speaker 2: knowing even about the Rashie Rice injury at the end
- 42:04Speaker 2: of the season like we are now, you got to think,
- 42:06Speaker 2: but what we got seventy What else do we got
- 42:09Speaker 2: eighty ninety one hundred hundred and ten. It's like, can
- 42:12Speaker 2: you imagine saying these four on paper with Mahomes as
- 42:15Speaker 2: their quarterback, are are propped up to get one hundred
- 42:18Speaker 2: and forty five passing yards?
- 42:20Speaker 3: Crazy? That's not it is weird. It is, yeah, I
- 42:24Speaker 3: mean yeah, like I don't know how Vegas books work,
- 42:28Speaker 3: but if Mahomes throws for like two sixty, where's the discrepancy? Right?
- 42:32Speaker 2: Something's off? Like that's they look at the I know
- 42:35Speaker 2: it's name value and sure it starts at the very
- 42:37Speaker 2: top with my never my Homes obviously, Yeah, it's different,
- 42:40Speaker 2: but I get it. But I'm saying, how is this
- 42:42Speaker 2: one hundred and forty yards? Like where else where are
- 42:43Speaker 2: these going? And you only have seventy ish on the ground.
- 42:48Speaker 2: I guess a little more because you're gonna give their
- 42:49Speaker 2: passing yards in like you said with the other guys.
- 42:51Speaker 2: Just very interesting to me that this also looks like
- 42:53Speaker 2: a spot that it's at least going somewhat overlooked because
- 42:56Speaker 2: the other interesting take is, and we're about to segue
- 42:58Speaker 2: to tight end. I don't think Kel's gets super popular
- 43:01Speaker 2: whether they have the money or not. I think people
- 43:03Speaker 2: like Schultz and Andrews and you know who's the other
- 43:06Speaker 2: guy was gonna say.
- 43:07Speaker 3: In recent movie, bias is so prevalent and so key
- 43:12Speaker 3: in this game because we just had it the exact
- 43:14Speaker 3: teams four days ago, so you know, Kelsey being the
- 43:16Speaker 3: most expensive tight end and sucking last week. It's it's
- 43:19Speaker 3: fresh in everyone's mind for sure.
- 43:22Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's definitely some stuff that you can do here.
- 43:24Speaker 2: I also think it makes it somewhat interesting. And I'll
- 43:26Speaker 2: segue there now, and I don't know what this would
- 43:28Speaker 2: look like, but if you did want to just say,
- 43:30Speaker 2: it's gonna be a Kelsey day. Obviously you could go
- 43:32Speaker 2: bet two touchdown props or something, But if you want
- 43:34Speaker 2: to just do this and avoid some of the Casey
- 43:37Speaker 2: receiver roulette, you could try this on this slate for sure.
- 43:41Speaker 2: If you get this right in the first game, what
- 43:44Speaker 2: is it? The world is your oyster, like, you can
- 43:45Speaker 2: do whatever you want in the second game if you
- 43:47Speaker 2: have something like this right. I don't know what exactly
- 43:49Speaker 2: this would play out like, but realistically that's a possibility
- 43:52Speaker 2: and not have to pick. I was just saying to
- 43:53Speaker 2: finish out wide receiver. As much as we think people
- 43:56Speaker 2: are good with Worthy now and we've seen it, it's
- 43:59Speaker 2: are they really good with his clicking it? When you
- 44:01Speaker 2: have Collins who's going to be extremely popular, Pickens, who
- 44:03Speaker 2: people are excited about that he's back, Zayflowers, who everybody
- 44:07Speaker 2: knows is a little bit underrated and could do his
- 44:09Speaker 2: job at sixty four hundred, but they have Henry, So
- 44:12Speaker 2: is it gonna be Worthy or is it going to
- 44:14Speaker 2: be the cheaper guy down below? When you have these
- 44:17Speaker 2: lineups super popular?
- 44:20Speaker 3: Because the Worthy was right around for I mean, that's
- 44:23Speaker 3: what it was projected. That's kind of where where held
- 44:25Speaker 3: last week. So just as we talked through this, would
- 44:28Speaker 3: you take the over or the under? Is he going
- 44:31Speaker 3: to come in higher than forty or lower than forty
- 44:33Speaker 3: four days later after having a big game but more
- 44:36Speaker 3: appealing options at wide receiver.
- 44:39Speaker 2: I don't know what it would be. I'm just trying
- 44:40Speaker 2: to put one up with Shell right quick to see.
- 44:42Speaker 2: But if you have if you got you know Stroud
- 44:44Speaker 2: and Head, you know Stroud throwing to Collins Henry is
- 44:46Speaker 2: going to be super popular. We know if people are
- 44:48Speaker 2: comfortable with pickings. I use Schultz just because he had
- 44:51Speaker 2: a good game last game. So maybe some people get
- 44:53Speaker 2: there now and then I guess it wouldn't be Ravens
- 44:56Speaker 2: d because people don't like playing that against their quarterbacks.
- 44:59Speaker 2: So let's say they go to I don't know, the Steelers,
- 45:02Speaker 2: because how bad the numbers are. On the other side,
- 45:04Speaker 2: you've got almost five thousand. You can get a second
- 45:07Speaker 2: tight end in there. You can get so it will
- 45:09Speaker 2: probably be the cheaper wide receiver that fits in. Even
- 45:12Speaker 2: if people do get to Kelsey here, it's gonna be
- 45:14Speaker 2: one of the cheaper wide receivers that people feel more
- 45:16Speaker 2: comfortable with. So good good to look through. Let's move
- 45:19Speaker 2: to tight end and other thoughts that you have there.
- 45:21Speaker 2: You just talked a little bit about it, But what
- 45:23Speaker 2: else do you see here? Everyone's talking about your boy,
- 45:25Speaker 2: Dalton Schultz. You had the big game last game though,
- 45:27Speaker 2: got a bit of a price hike going against the
- 45:29Speaker 2: ravens Now Friarmooth likely Gray. I mean it almost cuts
- 45:33Speaker 2: off right here. This is just feels like where people
- 45:36Speaker 2: play right. It doesn't seem like anyone's going outside of that.
- 45:38Speaker 2: So what are you thinking here?
- 45:39Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean last week people got to Gray as well.
- 45:43Speaker 3: I can't remember the exact number in terms of ownership.
- 45:45Speaker 3: I imagine that comes down whatever the number was, because
- 45:49Speaker 3: you only had like one target, one catch Kelsey fifty three.
- 45:55Speaker 3: It's a cheap, cheap price tag, fine option. I mean,
- 45:59Speaker 3: definitely got to play. I mean that's the thing. At
- 46:03Speaker 3: fifty three. You start looking at him versus like a Worthy.
- 46:07Speaker 3: You start looking at him versus maybe even like a Hopkins.
- 46:11Speaker 3: Like that's the thing with these KC guys are just
- 46:14Speaker 3: all jumbled up in terms of the pricing. But either way,
- 46:17Speaker 3: I mean, Kelsey's fine, Like I want exposure to Kelsey
- 46:20Speaker 3: fifty three hundred at the tight end position. Friar Mouth
- 46:25Speaker 3: strong option thirty nine hundred, you know, a little less
- 46:28Speaker 3: appealing with Pickens back, and you know, with Dalton Schultz
- 46:33Speaker 3: having the big game, I imagine that friar Mouth takes a
- 46:38Speaker 3: big step back in terms of ownership. I mean it's
- 46:41Speaker 3: one of the higher owned guys. Last week you went
- 46:43Speaker 3: three for sixteen, and now you have another pass catcher
- 46:46Speaker 3: coming back, so I think he comes down a little bit.
- 46:49Speaker 3: People are gonna want it, man. The more we talk
- 46:50Speaker 3: through this, I mean that Ravens Texans game, that every position,
- 46:53Speaker 3: people are gonna want to jam it, man, I mean,
- 46:55Speaker 3: just absolutely jam it and tight end to makes. I
- 46:58Speaker 3: mean we were on the Andrews stuff more or less.
- 47:01Speaker 3: I mean I was. Andrews was my highest own tight
- 47:03Speaker 3: end last week. It worked out, worked out great. Obviously
- 47:06Speaker 3: didn't have the full shipper, but I had a good day,
- 47:08Speaker 3: and I'm going right back to him at forty three hundred,
- 47:10Speaker 3: and we talked about likely being a fine option. Likely,
- 47:15Speaker 3: let's just pull this up real first he you know,
- 47:18Speaker 3: three for twenty nine and found the end zone as well.
- 47:21Speaker 3: Finally going back to him at thirty five and then yeah,
- 47:24Speaker 3: Dalton Schultz, where we talked about friar mouth with pickings back,
- 47:27Speaker 3: you know, a little less attention. Dalton Schultz could be
- 47:30Speaker 3: wide receiver two in this offense. He had eight targets
- 47:33Speaker 3: last week forty one hundred, so like him as well.
- 47:37Speaker 3: So to me, like five options, I won't be as
- 47:40Speaker 3: much on the Noah Gray stuff. There's just so many
- 47:42Speaker 3: damn guys. Man Like Noah Gray was appealing when they
- 47:46Speaker 3: didn't have Hollywood Brown and Juju Smith, like Justin Watson
- 47:50Speaker 3: got a deep target last week. So I mean, there
- 47:52Speaker 3: are just so much in my eyes that would need
- 47:54Speaker 3: to go right for it to be Noah Grade today.
- 47:56Speaker 3: He's the one that I can cross off. But Kelsey
- 48:00Speaker 3: Andrew's likely Schultz, I think, all very solid options. But man,
- 48:05Speaker 3: every position we talk about, quarterback, running back, wide receiver,
- 48:10Speaker 3: tight end, everyone's going to that second game. I mean,
- 48:13Speaker 3: ownership in that second game is going to be substantially
- 48:16Speaker 3: higher than ownership in the first game. So that is
- 48:18Speaker 3: definitely the one big takeaway for me after talking through
- 48:22Speaker 3: all these positions.
- 48:24Speaker 2: Yeah, and also to just going back here, what about
- 48:26Speaker 2: like the flip flop stuff of knowing that we just
- 48:29Speaker 2: saw these two matchups. So for example, you know, everybody
- 48:32Speaker 2: liked friar Mouth last week, but it ended up being
- 48:35Speaker 2: Schultz and others. But I'm just using Schultz against the
- 48:38Speaker 2: Chiefs that had a good game. Now everybody likes Schultz.
- 48:42Speaker 2: He's got the matchup. Friarmuth just had. Friarmuth has his matchup. Obviously,
- 48:47Speaker 2: injuries play into it. One is now without tang Dell,
- 48:49Speaker 2: one is now receiving you know, Pickens coming back. But
- 48:53Speaker 2: there is some of that stuff that you can look
- 48:54Speaker 2: at between these games. You know, the the bad Joe
- 48:58Speaker 2: Mixon game was just against the Chiefs. The Ravens played
- 49:02Speaker 2: the Steeler like, because they all just played each other.
- 49:03Speaker 2: You can sort of look at it from that perspective
- 49:05Speaker 2: as well as what sort of matchups just came through.
- 49:07Speaker 2: And then you got to think about on five days rest.
- 49:10Speaker 2: Maybe those are better spots to go back to as
- 49:11Speaker 2: well too, So you can do just as much of that.
- 49:14Speaker 2: I'll certainly be interested in Kelsey here, especially if it's
- 49:16Speaker 2: going to be lower owned at fifty three hundred and
- 49:19Speaker 2: and the fact that what you said, I think most
- 49:21Speaker 2: are deciding between Brown Hopkins Worthy and maybe they take
- 49:25Speaker 2: their stands and we kind of know what the hierarchy
- 49:27Speaker 2: looks like. For ownership there. But we can make that
- 49:29Speaker 2: decision at tight end as well, fill a onesie position
- 49:33Speaker 2: and use him and leave some of the other stuff overlooked,
- 49:36Speaker 2: or go back to the well on things that might
- 49:38Speaker 2: not be as popular. And again good slate. I think
- 49:40Speaker 2: from what we looked at, who on these shelves to
- 49:44Speaker 2: play two tight ends because on a short slate you
- 49:47Speaker 2: can get away with it anyway. Usually it's you know,
- 49:48Speaker 2: better reserve depending on the slate of the pricing, you'll
- 49:51Speaker 2: just adapting over long long term. It's more reserved for
- 49:55Speaker 2: higher dollar, smaller field. And why is that It's to
- 49:58Speaker 2: make it all work. It's because you need the had
- 50:00Speaker 2: to have its scores. If there's only three guys on
- 50:02Speaker 2: this slate that score thirty, you're gonna need them all
- 50:05Speaker 2: in your lineup to ship anything. In a short slate,
- 50:08Speaker 2: even though you're still in a large field, the two
- 50:11Speaker 2: tight end can really help push that up to make
- 50:13Speaker 2: sure you get more lineups with that, and it matters
- 50:16Speaker 2: so much more versus on an eleven game slate. The
- 50:19Speaker 2: field size matters more because in a lottery, someone's gonna
- 50:22Speaker 2: have you covered with all these different things of angles
- 50:24Speaker 2: to attack with. Twenty two teams on the eleven game slate.
- 50:28Speaker 2: On this slate with two games, it can still work
- 50:31Speaker 2: and push it in your favor. And I mean you're
- 50:32Speaker 2: allowed to do this, right. You can go back to Andrews,
- 50:35Speaker 2: like you said, you can play Kelsey. You still have
- 50:37Speaker 2: fifty seven hundred. Even if it is with a situational
- 50:41Speaker 2: thing like we talked about, you want to fit in
- 50:43Speaker 2: some of these guys. It's gonna get thin quick. But
- 50:46Speaker 2: you know, you got to pick your stan one spot
- 50:48Speaker 2: maybe and you can still have mahomes to Kelsey Andrews
- 50:52Speaker 2: with Henry and maybe again this drops down and maybe
- 50:54Speaker 2: it's Firemouth we talk about, and maybe your cheap D
- 50:58Speaker 2: is gonna be the I don't know what would it
- 51:00Speaker 2: be the Maybe you don't go to a cheap D.
- 51:02Speaker 2: Maybe it's the Ravens here and you use that. You
- 51:04Speaker 2: still have almost five K left and you've got Mahomes Kelsey,
- 51:08Speaker 2: Henry Collins. Like these builds could definitely work the top
- 51:12Speaker 2: D on the slate for price. What do you think?
- 51:14Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks very nice, but I think it goes
- 51:16Speaker 3: back to my initial point, like you could randomly start
- 51:20Speaker 3: clicking these names and man, it's gonna look real nice.
- 51:22Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a two game slate with studs
- 51:24Speaker 3: all over soft pricing. It's gonna look good. So that
- 51:27Speaker 3: that's you know, one thing, you know, you can get
- 51:30Speaker 3: over confident, honestly when when on a soft pricing slate,
- 51:34Speaker 3: you can get very overcom because you're gona build these
- 51:35Speaker 3: teams and be like, man, how can this team lose? Well,
- 51:38Speaker 3: everyone's gonna build these teams and have the exact same mindsets.
- 51:41Speaker 3: So be cautious with that because you know, early on
- 51:44Speaker 3: in my career I've gotten caught in these situations where
- 51:47Speaker 3: it's like, you build these teams, I can't can't lose,
- 51:49Speaker 3: Like this team literally can't lose. Looks so good, you
- 51:52Speaker 3: like on these two game slates. For sure, that's like
- 51:54Speaker 3: gonna be especially tomorrow. That's gonna be the mindset when
- 51:56Speaker 3: you start building these teams. So then you really got
- 51:58Speaker 3: to start looking at the court lay, roster construction. Like
- 52:01Speaker 3: you just broke down with the team like this, look
- 52:04Speaker 3: for the pivots, the reason the Kelsey Friar Moose situation. Yeah,
- 52:07Speaker 3: those are names and people are gonna like them. But
- 52:09Speaker 3: we know, I know just from talking through this, you
- 52:12Speaker 3: know the tight ends. In the second game, Baltimore and
- 52:15Speaker 3: Houston are going to be popular. Mahomes is probably gonna
- 52:18Speaker 3: get squeezed a little bit for sure on this lay
- 52:20Speaker 3: because people wanting to go to Lamar or feel comfortable
- 52:22Speaker 3: going cheaper. So that's why this sort of build makes
- 52:26Speaker 3: sense in talking through it, you know, love the conversation
- 52:30Speaker 3: based around it.
- 52:31Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people love when we do this and
- 52:32Speaker 2: just go back and forth. And that's this is funny enough.
- 52:35Speaker 2: The prime scenario, like it's what I talked about earlier,
- 52:37Speaker 2: what has to happen here, oh, still has the Henry
- 52:39Speaker 2: and Collins in it. So as different as it might
- 52:41Speaker 2: be with Mahomes going just to Kelsey, none of his
- 52:44Speaker 2: receivers right now with Friar moot the double tight end
- 52:47Speaker 2: when most are thinking about like a Schultzer and Andrews,
- 52:50Speaker 2: et cetera. This can easily just be flipped to mixing
- 52:54Speaker 2: zay flowers and move the defense to Houston if you
- 52:58Speaker 2: want it, And then if you do have other positions
- 52:59Speaker 2: in that game, you could move those up as well.
- 53:01Speaker 2: But I just think these are the interesting builds and
- 53:03Speaker 2: you can leave a bunch of money on these slates
- 53:05Speaker 2: as well. Right, you can leave five grand, no problem.
- 53:08Speaker 2: It's your fan duel specialty hoop, which we still continue
- 53:12Speaker 2: to see. It hit again last night. I think it
- 53:13Speaker 2: was a fifty one k lineup at a sixty K
- 53:17Speaker 2: like we left nine grand. But the lineup made perfect sense.
- 53:20Speaker 2: It's just filling in a receiver. I think it was
- 53:22Speaker 2: Pets or somebody on that New England, New Orleans side
- 53:25Speaker 2: versus somebody else where you could have easily afforded Kendre
- 53:28Speaker 2: Miller or something like that. It's like, well, he's not
- 53:30Speaker 2: going to get there in this game script, so I'm
- 53:32Speaker 2: just gonna leave nine grand on the table.
- 53:34Speaker 3: We just haven't talked about that, not that exact thing,
- 53:36Speaker 3: but like we talked about dropping from Miller like way
- 53:40Speaker 3: way down yesterday on that Showdown show because I definitely
- 53:43Speaker 3: didn't like his ass and I thought it was a
- 53:45Speaker 3: terrible play.
- 53:46Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a prime example again. So it's the
- 53:48Speaker 2: same and showdown here. If it makes sense. Don't worry
- 53:50Speaker 2: about what your upgrade is. Worry about does the lineup
- 53:53Speaker 2: make sense? And if the games go that way, good news.
- 53:55Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about much. There's only two
- 53:57Speaker 2: games on the slate. There's always ways to get into it.
- 54:00Speaker 2: So you know, got to see some other stuff here
- 54:02Speaker 2: if you need to fill it out. I think that's
- 54:04Speaker 2: the thing. We'll move to defense in the round the south.
- 54:06Speaker 2: But if you go to cheaper tight ends, it's because
- 54:08Speaker 2: you're wanting to spend more of your salary. Typically you
- 54:11Speaker 2: don't have to back to my previous example, but just
- 54:13Speaker 2: to note, if you are looking at cheap options, if
- 54:16Speaker 2: they get there, if they make it work, you still
- 54:18Speaker 2: got to get the rest right, and then you usually
- 54:20Speaker 2: are spending more of your salary because you're thinking you
- 54:22Speaker 2: need more of those higher priced guys. But then you
- 54:24Speaker 2: could still have somebody come in and outscore one of
- 54:27Speaker 2: these guys no problem whatsoever. As we just saw with
- 54:29Speaker 2: the you know, Pacheck go over Earth, so I hunt
- 54:32Speaker 2: over Pacheco last week. You saw Warren over Naujee last week,
- 54:35Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. So go ahead, hoop anything at
- 54:38Speaker 2: defense here you want to cover, and then if not,
- 54:40Speaker 2: you could you know, do a little more FanDuel if
- 54:42Speaker 2: you want. We don't have you know, have it up
- 54:44Speaker 2: right now, but just anything else you want to add
- 54:45Speaker 2: for this slate.
- 54:46Speaker 3: I hate when sites do this stuff like two hundred decrease,
- 54:51Speaker 3: two hundred decrease, two hundred decrease. Got the Ravens thirty
- 54:54Speaker 3: two hundred, the Chiefs three K, Steelers, twenty eight Texans
- 54:58Speaker 3: twenty nine, Like I don't know, man, like whatever, I
- 55:02Speaker 3: have no strongly in at defense, Like whatever happens happens. Obviously,
- 55:07Speaker 3: when pricings like this and no one's expensive, the favorites
- 55:10Speaker 3: are going to be higher owned. So the Ravens will
- 55:12Speaker 3: probably be the highest zone, the Chiefs will be the
- 55:14Speaker 3: second highest, doone and then kind of come down from there.
- 55:17Speaker 3: But I mean, whatever I get, I get, like, I
- 55:20Speaker 3: don't know, I hate that sort of thing. Over I'm
- 55:23Speaker 3: FanDuel just to go through it real quick, kind of
- 55:25Speaker 3: talk through pricing discrepancies at quarterback Lamar Jackson's eighty six hundred,
- 55:30Speaker 3: then you have Mahomes, Stroud and Russell Wilson all between
- 55:35Speaker 3: seventy one hundred and seventy five. The hope with Lamar
- 55:38Speaker 3: and taking the overweight stance is people are able to
- 55:42Speaker 3: use that pricing difference that drop off. I'm fandueled only
- 55:46Speaker 3: eleven hundred, so it's not as extreme on DK, but
- 55:49Speaker 3: hopefully they use that funding upgrade and kind of get
- 55:52Speaker 3: off of Lamar. He's obviously still going to be on
- 55:57Speaker 3: running back Derrick Henry ninety two hundred mixing eight K,
- 56:01Speaker 3: so twelve hundred dollars drop there. That's more than on Yeah,
- 56:07Speaker 3: it's only five hundred on DK, it's twelve hundred. I'm
- 56:11Speaker 3: fandul the difference Verrey talked about it. The running backs
- 56:15Speaker 3: of the KC guys, the Pittsburgh guys, Rasheen Ali if
- 56:19Speaker 3: he is, if he isn't play forty seven hundred, so
- 56:23Speaker 3: pretty cheap there. Wide receiver Nico Collins at the top
- 56:27Speaker 3: at ninety one, picking seventy six, say Flower seventy four,
- 56:31Speaker 3: and then a drop off to the KC guys. I guess.
- 56:34Speaker 3: The one interesting thing with KC is Hopkins is much cheaper,
- 56:40Speaker 3: not much cheaper. He's the cheapest at sixty one. Hollywood
- 56:43Speaker 3: Browns sixty four, and then Xavier Worthy sixty six, Bateman
- 56:47Speaker 3: sixty two, kind of right there in the middle, and
- 56:50Speaker 3: then the Houston guys Woods fifty four, Metchi fifty three,
- 56:54Speaker 3: and then Hutchinson is forty eight, so a little bit
- 56:58Speaker 3: of a drop off there. Tight end Kelsey sixty four,
- 57:02Speaker 3: Andrew sixty one, Dalton Schultz fifty five, Friarmouth fifty three,
- 57:09Speaker 3: and likely is fifty two. So all those tight ends
- 57:13Speaker 3: are within twelve hundred dollars. Roster construction probably is a
- 57:16Speaker 3: little bit easier over on FanDuel opposed to DK the defense. Yeah,
- 57:24Speaker 3: so it's all within four hundred. So they kind of
- 57:26Speaker 3: did the same thing. Casey's forty three, Ravens, forty two,
- 57:29Speaker 3: Steelers four k and then the Texans thirty nine hundred,
- 57:32Speaker 3: So not much of a difference between the two sites.
- 57:35Speaker 3: And in terms of you know, pricing and what we're
- 57:37Speaker 3: going to be looking to do, Yeah, I think you
- 57:39Speaker 3: found it.
- 57:39Speaker 2: The biggest one obviously is with this you know, Hollywood
- 57:41Speaker 2: Brown situation. Yeah, in the fact that he gets a
- 57:43Speaker 2: huge boost over there kind of, but in the range
- 57:46Speaker 2: of that so I think you saw that one. You know,
- 57:49Speaker 2: Pickens Zay Flowers almost the same and you know, early game,
- 57:53Speaker 2: late game, that's a decision. But the late swap one
- 57:56Speaker 2: is ninety one hundred, Collins ninety two hundred dollars. Henry,
- 58:00Speaker 2: and I assume you have more pieces left. I think
- 58:01Speaker 2: people are gonna be more on that game. But if
- 58:03Speaker 2: you are utilizing your flex. You can think about that
- 58:05Speaker 2: from that perspective. So yeah, it's interesting slate on both sites.
- 58:08Speaker 2: The pricing separated. The defense thing is just tilting. Like
- 58:12Speaker 2: you said, it's always that way, but you know, on
- 58:13Speaker 2: a mainslant it's nice because you can just sort of
- 58:15Speaker 2: pick your defenses within each range and then take what
- 58:18Speaker 2: it gives you. I see how I do it on
- 58:19Speaker 2: the slate plan over at ship in Nation. It's like
- 58:21Speaker 2: expensive options, mid range, cheap kind of land. Where you
- 58:25Speaker 2: land on these other slites, it gets tricky, and you know,
- 58:28Speaker 2: there's always some lobbying out there for super flex, almost
- 58:31Speaker 2: like how college football does it, because then it's a
- 58:33Speaker 2: different game. But at least you don't have to pick
- 58:35Speaker 2: between defenses and the randomness of the variance that you
- 58:38Speaker 2: find there. So yeah, it's gonna be a fun slate.
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