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PODCAST: Episode 978 - Gozu's Marc Gaffney on Six Albums of Stoner Fuzz and the Story Behind "Gozu VI" · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  I literally had 50 sheets back and forth of lyrics and when the
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  music was finally done I could go through and literally be
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  like, oh I like this for a chorus.
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  I'm going to use this for a bridge.
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  I like this, this and this. I was able to put it all
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  together. It was really nice to be able to
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  kind of trace back where I, you know, and I knew where I was
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  when I wrote, you know, certain things.
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  I knew what I was feeling. Did I want to smash a wall?
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  You know, I mean, was I pretty angry?
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  And being able to do that and then put it, you know, to say it
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  is probably some of the best therapy I've ever had.
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  What's up everybody? Once again it's TV at
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  ghostcultman.com and I am super stoked to be joined by Mark of
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  Gozu today. One of my favorite bands.
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  I'm not supposed to have favorites, but honestly, I can't
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  hide it. One of my favorite bands.
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  Mark How the hell? Are you good?
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  How you doing brother? Thanks for having me.
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  Yeah, man, I'm here. We're going to talk about Gozu 6
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  very feels of volume 4 Black Sabbath with the the Roman
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  numeral. You know, it's always
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  interesting to me how album, how albums get their names is
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  usually like the most outstanding track or something
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  that ties it all together becomes the title track.
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  But keep it simple. I like the, you know, the
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  studiousness of of Roman numerals.
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  So 66 records in like, you know, 15 something years ago.
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  When he. Used the most that you've been
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  making music like long run, long running Boston institution from
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  my yeah, definitely. But a long time.
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  I forget sometimes how fucking long Doug and I have played
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  together. Yeah, Sherm is my dude.
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  Like Doug Sherman is my absolute.
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  I'm so proud of him. And he is just my, you know,
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  like he you can't not love that guy.
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  I don't know anyone who hates him, right?
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  You might have hot takes and he's got got spicy takes on the
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  Internet, but like, no one actually hates that guy, I
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  think. Right.
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  I think everybody loves that guy.
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  So yeah, man, those are 6 killer record.
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  Some of the best music you guys have ever made.
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  And I really say that sincerely. My favorite vocal performance
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  from you out by far. Like this.
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  I was saying on the last record that I felt like you were
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  leveling up your game. And I'm sure it's in the old
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  interview we did with with Doug on the call.
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  And in this one, I felt like you really stretched out, tried
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  different things, like I think you were experimenting but also
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  like pulled it all off. So I don't know if that was on
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  purpose or it just happened, but like.
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  It was 100% on purpose. There's a lot of stuff I wanted
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  to do that I actually, you know, finally felt comfortable to do.
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  And you have to feel comfortable without, you know, if, if
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  there's like an inkling of ah, maybe I shouldn't do it, then
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  you know, that's not good. It'll come across obviously in
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  the performance. Yeah.
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  I this album, I knew exactly what I wanted to do.
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  I was able to chart everything out.
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  And on top of that, I tried a ton of shit that I literally
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  just, you know, if if I felt that I tried it.
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  And luckily it worked. So, you know, and Doug was in
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  there every day with me and a lot of too.
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  Benny Grotto, who, you know, he also did Locust Season.
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  So he, you know, he and I had chatted before what I wanted to
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  do, you know, certain sounds even like, you know, for
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  Harmony's doubling call response, things like that.
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  So he was great at really kind of pushing me, you know, to
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  really to try stuff that was a little bit out of my wheelhouse.
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  And I think, you know, I was quite happy with, you know, that
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  he did that. And obviously Doug, you know,
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  would stick his head and be like, hey, man, you know, try
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  this. So yeah, it's by far, you know,
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  my favorite stuff to listen to. I mean, I don't, unfortunately,
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  I don't go back and listen to like many of the all the albums
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  and stuff. I'm a bit of a prick when it
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  comes to critiquing, but I actually really like the sound
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  of this album, of the whole album.
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  Mark Gaffney, future reviewer for Ghost Cult.
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  Maybe, you know, I think just an artist journey type of sense.
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  It is hard to go back and listen to your earlier stuff.
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  Maybe it like, oh, we could have did that better.
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  It's really hard to not hyper focus on old things.
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  I'm the same way with writing. I was the same way as a
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  photographer. I was the same way in a band.
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  I can't, you know, how many riffs did I throw away because
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  they sounded like something like Megadeth or something or Slayer?
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  How many riffs did I get rid of that could have just been good
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  songs that I didn't have to be so precious about?
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  So I think there's a thing about the bands that succeed and get
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  forward, whatever that means. The bands that succeed in in the
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  business of the music industry that sucks is the ones that are
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  dispassionate and not like, OK, the album is done and I can
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  leave it here comfortable. And I think that's an underrated
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  skill because bands don't have it.
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  They like they navel gaze and they're too analytical and
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  they're like, you know, like it doesn't matter what genre, what
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  sub genre. Sure, sure, sure.
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  Yeah. So like, I think there's
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  something to be said for that to be able to self edit, but also
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  to let go. And I think that's something we
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  never talk about here. And I'm I love that you, you
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  know, that's, you know, it's good that you're critical and
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  it's, it's OK that you don't want to go back and re listen to
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  older stuff. Maybe it'll seep into whatever
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  you're trying to do next, you know, in a number.
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  Yeah, You know, I'm always wanting to to really to kind of
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  push farther and to push harder. So, you know, just, I don't ever
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  want to be like, ah, fuck, you know, that guy's doing the same
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  shit, you know, he's always done.
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  You know that if I hear that, I must have just fucking become a
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  dance instructor, you know what I mean?
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  Because it's not going to it's, you know, so part of it is just
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  saying fuck it and really just going for it.
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  The easiest way to do that is when you have a nice support
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  system around. So, you know, all the guys in
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  the banners like do it like fucking let's go.
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  And, you know, some bands aren't fortunate enough to have that
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  actually. So, you know, I'm very, very
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  lucky in that. And, you know, I I wanted to
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  really kind of to kind of emotionally get to where I
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  needed to be lyrically. I want, if I, you know, I'm
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  writing this shit. So if I'm going to sing it, I'm
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  going to actually, you know, go complete balls out.
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  So yeah, I, I felt, I felt this was probably, you know, the, the
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  easiest and swiftest I've ever recorded vocals.
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  And I feel, you know, really, really comfortable with them,
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  which is not always the case, you know.
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  So I'm, I'm really, you know, I'm, I'm usually happy with what
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  I do, but this album, I don't it, it just, it hit a different
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  nerve, you know, when I was recording.
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  Right on if I can make a comparison, which I don't do
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  much of in my work, but what I feel like it's like how Mastodon
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  started out where it was just chaos, right?
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  Like they didn't really have like I couldn't tell for I saw
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  nested on like before they were. Right, right.
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  Before remission, I saw them on tour.
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  Yeah. And like, it was chaos watching
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  them. They were making chaos.
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  But like, to them, it made sense.
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  And then over time, they kind of figured out their direction and
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  each guy found their lane. Vocally.
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  The three guys rest in peace to Brent.
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  But like, I see the same thing with Gozu.
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  It's like you had to fall into your place and find your correct
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  comfortable lane vocally and not, again, no knock on any of
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  the older work that I do love, but I think like on this record,
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  when you want to be heavy, you're heavy.
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  When you want to be grindy, you're grindy.
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  I think there's some stirring and singing on here that is
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  beautiful. Like I don't think I didn't
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  expect it in a good way. And, you know, I think there
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  are, you know, there's a lot of beautiful little nuances and
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  stuff in the vocals here that I don't think you've got to before
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  now that I really dig. Yeah, thank you.
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  Yeah, and that's basically what I was going for.
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  You know, I wanted something that kind of showed the whole
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  well, you know, really what goes who could do it?
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  It really kind of grab into our bag of influences.
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  It just fucking throw them out there.
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  And if they stuck, spectacular. If not, then, you know, let's
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  move on. But yeah, something, you know,
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  just really, really clicked. It wasn't, you know, sometimes
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  you go in and you kind of suck yourself out.
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  This time I went in and I think because I was very, very
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  prepared, you know, you can do shit that usually you don't want
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  to take a chance. And but when I kind of was
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  thinking about, you know, one of the albums I love to listen to,
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  right, who are the singers I really, really love?
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  And, you know, I got more into breathing, you know, when to,
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  you know, in a song structure, you don't always have to come in
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  at a certain time. You know, it can be a little bit
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  off. And you know, there's people
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  like D Angelo would do that, you know, I mean, Neil Young fuck.
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  So, you know, people like that. So I wanted to see, you know, if
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  I could do something like that. And again, just to push myself.
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  And once you know, it started going, you know, your confidence
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  starts building a building a building.
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  So it was fun, like I, I didn't leave being like the fuck, I
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  gotta do this again, you know. So once, you know, I, I really
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  think once I after, you know, I got the first one done, I was
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  like, oh, here we go. Because I, you know, I think I'm
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  saying the whole thing in like 2 1/2 days, I believe, you know,
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  all, you know, all the lead and all the background stuff.
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  Yeah, it was. Once it got going, I got going.
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  I feel like you guys always work pretty fast and I, I don't know
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  if I've asked Doug this offline, but or you have you guys do a
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  lot of pre pro like the songs are written, jammed out,
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  finished in your mind or mostly finished in your mind and then
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  you just go put them. Usually lyrics.
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  Lyrics, no, Musically, yeah. I mean, you know, we, we shape
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  them in into what we want them to be.
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  But having said that, though, there's still times in the
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  studio where you're like, oh fuck, do that again, you know,
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  which comes with having stuff solid again.
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  You can, you know, maybe you could swim in that water a
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  little bit deeper and not worry about sinking.
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  So this was the first time I didn't sing one of these fucking
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  songs until we actually got the studio.
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  So none of these tunes had ever, ever, just because we wanted to
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  make sure musically we were where we, you know, where we
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  wanted to be. And then I had written, you
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  know, all the lyrics way, way, way before not knowing that I
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  was going to use any of this stuff, you know, on this album.
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  It's just, I would keep, you know, literally, I had a pad by
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  my bed or I'd have my phone and I would just write and write and
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  write. So I was just, you know, telling
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  someone. I literally had 50 sheets back
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  and forth of lyrics. And when the music was finally
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  done, I could go through and literally be like, oh, I like
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  this for a chorus. I'm going to use this for a
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  bridge. I like this, this and this.
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  I was able to put it all together.
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  It was really nice to be able to kind of trace back where I, you
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  know, and I knew where I was when I wrote, you know, certain
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  things. I know what the fuck I was
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  feeling. I knew, you know, did I want to
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  smash a wall? You know, I mean, was I pretty
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  angry? And by ever, you know, being
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  able to do that and then put it, you know, to say it is probably
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  some of the best therapy I've ever had.
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  Amazing. I love hearing it.
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  This is such a rough time for people, which is why I love that
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  Gozu always comes with the humor and the jokes and the laughter,
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  but can be serious when you need to be.
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  This is such a crazy time in the world, and I'm so glad you have
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  that outlet. We're losing so many people.
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  Nice D'Angelo shout out what a tragedy that is.
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  Yeah. What?
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  Oh. Yeah, that's.
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  Not D'Angelo and Angie Stone both.
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  Pass. I know, right?
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  Within like months of each other they're.
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  Poor crazy, right? It's crazy.
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  They're poor families. Umm, just my yeah.
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  But great singer. Like, unbelievable talent, you
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  know, so many directions. I always talk about the Go Zoo
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  song titles and songs, but like I often I, you know, like I
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  they're not done just for tongue in cheek giggles for the shit of
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  it. Corinthian Leatherface, Midnight
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  Express Killer con, which I hope is a Star Trek reference.
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  Banachek, which I mentioned to Doug and how much I love that
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  video and that. Song, thank you.
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  They did know karate, even with no punctuation.
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  I think that's the right way. Give me the give me the loot,
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  which is a nice biggie reference, but also.
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  Yeah, there you go. Thank you.
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  Yep, Yep. You got it.
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  And then Corvette Summer, which is hilarious and such a good
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  record top to bottom. You know, some of the songs are
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  longer, but they don't feel long.
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  And that's always my barometer for everything.
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  I always think about you guys have played a bunch of stone or
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  rock festivals with the band Steak, my dude, who puts on
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  Desert Fest and helps you put that on.
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  And I always think about that band because they do very tight,
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  short songs. Or Zed.
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  Like nothing's too extravagant. It's trim.
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  But like you guys, when you write a song, the parts all
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  matter. Nothing I would cut out or throw
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  away. Like I don't ever like, Oh, if I
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  was writing the Seven and 23 song, I like cut out some of it.
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  But like, you know, ACDC can make their best songs or 330 or
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  4 minutes, but I feel like 5 minutes and up is kind of where
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  you guys live and it's it feels good.
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  Totally, Yeah. I mean, you know, like my
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  favorite band is The Allman Brothers, you know what I mean?
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  Of the Grateful Dead. I mean, you know, for for me, a
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  20 minute song is, you know, I mean, you know, when I first got
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  into YAB, that was one big reason.
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  You know, they have 17 minute tunes or you know, I, I think
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  dope smoker is one of the best. And it doesn't matter what what
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  genre, like 63 minutes of, you know, just pure drawing, you
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  win, you know, feeling the guitar tunes, right, feeling the
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  drums, feeling the bass. So, you know, for us, yeah, you
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  know, we don't do anything just to do it and we don't put it
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  parts and just, you know, they, they have to to make a
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  difference and they have to matter in the song.
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  So yeah, you know, we tend to have longer songs, but when
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  you're playing them, it doesn't feel, you know, I mean it, it
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  feels to me like it's a regular 3 1/2, four minute tune.
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  Absolutely, and you know, live obviously also is the band.
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  The songs continue to live and breathe in it.
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  You can only do that when you have a killer rhythm section.
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  These guys bring so much to the band and so much to this record
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  And you know, I I just like these songs.
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  Absolutely cook. They sound like a band should
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  sound to me like a there's but like also like yeah, there's a
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  lot of stone and rock and and light hearted stuff, but there's
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  some very doomy stuff. So I'm you know, I know you love
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  it job. You mentioned them.
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  I'm a huge fan. I love Mike and like there's
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  some of that on here that I think you guys have explored in
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  the past and could explore more and in the future if that album
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  kind of came to you, you could do a record like that.
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  But like, you know, some of these, some of these songs are
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  just crushing, man. Like guitar nerds are gonna love
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  this shit. They always do.
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  Yeah, it's, it's, it's the best he's played.
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  And I've told him that, you know, umpteen times.
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  You know what? He, you know, he's incredibly
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  hard on himself. Usually the first fucking thing
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  he does is the best, you know what I mean?
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  So he was better at kind of just letting himself go, not
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  overthinking it and just letting, you know, it really
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  kind of his fingers doing the talking.
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  So I was really, really happy, you know, with what he did.
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  And I know he is. So, yeah, you know, it's nice to
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  have a player like that where you can showcase, you know,
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  tone, you know, intricacy going, you know, from from, you know,
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  this fret to this fret. You know, that's one of the
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  reasons I love playing live, right?
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  I get to see that Ding Dong, you know, doing his thing.
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  And it's why I love playing with Joe.
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  You know, there's definitely, you have to be cohesive in
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  order, you know, to have stuff come across.
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  Like I've watched tons of bands. You could tell those guys
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  fucking hate each other, you know, I hate, or, you know, or
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  you could tell like there's maybe two guys that want nothing
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  to do with each other And, and you know, that that's tough.
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  You know, God bless if you could do that.
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  I'm not someone that would be able to do that at all.
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  So yeah, guitar players I think are going to, you know, love
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  this. You know, tonality wise, it's a,
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  it's the best tone. We've it's the best tone I've
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  ever had. 5 fucking fire man. Totally killer.
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  Yeah. Shout out to all of y'all and
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  and again, Benny Grotto and all his records I'm a huge fan of.
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  But you know, definitely Seth and Joe killed it.
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  And I don't know, man, I've been in bands where I was the hated
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  guy, the disliked guy, and I hated my bandmates.
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  And if you ever saw like Soundgarden after Super Unknown
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  when they were. Like, Oh yeah.
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  Hate fucking each other with the set every night.
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  Like, I watched them like, like Ben Shepherd just smash his
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  guitar into his stack and run off stage.
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  And it was like, you know, like, I'll never forget that night at
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  Roseland. And then they broke up like
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  right after it. So like or you know, or fake no
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  more when you sadly find out they were not, you know, like
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  their three guys are friends and the other guy doesn't like those
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  three guys so. Like.
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  What a shame, what a shame. It can be like a loveless
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  marriage to be in a band 100. Percent.
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  Yeah, it, it is very much. I mean, yeah.
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  You know, you're not married to one person.
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  You're married to, you know, there's three other people that,
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  you know, you're sharing a fucking hotel room with, right?
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  A lot of times you sleep in the same goddamn bed.
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  You're in a van with them for 11 hours, you know, obviously.
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  And we can speak pretty freely, which is which is good.
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  But I mean, we all get along really well, which makes
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  everything a lot fucking easier because, you know, there are
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  times where you're just like, fuck, you know?
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  And I played in other bands where, you know, I've wanted to
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  punch. She was in the fucking face and
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  that sucks. Throat punched the singer every
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  time someone wants to. I promise.
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  It's been me. I'm sure it's been you.
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  Let's talk. I love the Banachek video.
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  So first of all, Banachek, I commented like on your Facebook
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  like, dude, no one knows that show.
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  You have to be like old and a die hard George Peppard fan to
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  know that show. And he was like a Polish Private
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  Eye in Boston. They terribly didn't like Boston
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  dirty. He lived in Beacon Hill, but
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  also he was like a never do well kind of guy and a great show.
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  Brilliant. You know, I think between
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  Dannachek and Kolchek, the Night Stalker that was in the
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  operation for X-Files, who's Yeah.
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  And so I love the the song kills and the video is fucking killer.
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  It's so funny. I kind of feel bad for the
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  chicken at the end. I don't want to spoil, we'll
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  link it in the description. But like, the video is great,
• 17:32
  man. You guys killed it.
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  Yeah, we shot that in like 5 hours and, and and Jim Forster
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  fucking killed it again. A really, really easy shoot.
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  Like there was nothing rough about it.
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  Just like, OK, let's get this done.
• 17:43
  We did all right, let's get this part done.
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  We did like everything, just it was so fucking smooth and we had
• 17:49
  fun. And obviously you could tell
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  that in the video, you know what I mean?
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  It was really, it was rather enjoyable.
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  Is that Duds bar? Is that Duds bar?
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's his new bar
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  restaurant. Yeah, yeah.
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  It's the Somerville, The Hollows.
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  I'll link that too. Yeah, I'm looking to get back to
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  Boston, hopefully this year or next year and come visit and
• 18:07
  click in on him and go see all my and a bunch of those cold
• 18:10
  people. But yeah, man, what a fun video.
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  I don't know if you guys will have another single between now
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  and the release, but like absolutely fun.
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  So we have so we have a single dropping tomorrow.
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  Oh, all right. Corinthian Leatherface haha.
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  So good. Good opener, killer opening
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  tracks, does what it needs to do.
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  Great name fun. I think people will dig it.
• 18:30
  And yeah, man, just a couple more questions for you.
• 18:32
  You're always so good to talk to you, man.
• 18:35
  Blacklight Media, you know, so this is under Metal Blade.
• 18:38
  It's you have been like the most successful band on the label in
• 18:42
  terms of consistency. You know, nothing against the
• 18:45
  label because like, we love Metal Blade and we love.
• 18:47
  I was at the Blacklight Showcase in Gramercy Theatre before
• 18:50
  playing, before I moved out of Brooklyn to California.
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  So like you guys have actually been, I think the most
• 18:56
  consistent band for them. So that's it's great that it
• 18:59
  works. You have metal blades like might
• 19:01
  behind you, which is amazing. You know, what is there like in
• 19:05
  terms of like involvement? Are they very hands off?
• 19:07
  Are you still in touch with, you know, Chris, like, what is that?
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  So yeah, I mean, I actually just talked to Chris the other day in
• 19:15
  terms of he's really, really hands off.
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  I mean, he's just like, I trust you guys.
• 19:19
  Go do a fucking good album. And then the people on Metal
• 19:22
  Blade, yeah, I mean, they're, you know, they're like, hey,
• 19:26
  this is what we need, you know, because again, it is a business,
• 19:29
  you know? So but in terms of writing and
• 19:32
  things like that, they're all, they're very, very hands off.
• 19:34
  You know, they're not like, you got to do this or make it sound
• 19:37
  like this, not at all. You know, we record, give them
• 19:39
  the stuff. They just, you know, they're
• 19:41
  digging or not. And luckily, you know, they like
• 19:43
  the album a lot. So yeah, there's never been
• 19:46
  like, like someone like calling me yelling, you know, or
• 19:49
  anything fucking stuff like that.
• 19:52
  You know, if anything, you know, they're just like we we, you
• 19:56
  know, we enjoy this album. Let's go.
• 19:58
  So yeah, it's, it's been again, a very easy relationship.
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  You know, it, it's, it's not something where, you know, I'm,
• 20:06
  I'm getting like some fucking something in the mail where it's
• 20:08
  like you kind of just, you know, we record, we tell them what we
• 20:11
  want to do. And it's kind of, you know, it's
• 20:14
  again, it's that easy. Well, we love hearing that and
• 20:17
  I'm glad that's still working out.
• 20:20
  Couple more, obviously, we just found out that Iron Maiden got
• 20:23
  in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and maybe halls of fame are
• 20:26
  incongruous, you know, incongruous with like rock and
• 20:29
  metal. But like, it's great that they
• 20:31
  got in. You can.
• 20:31
  See, I think it's great they got in.
• 20:32
  Yeah. I mean, I listened when I was a
• 20:34
  kid, so you know, You know, And fucking I mean, that gallop is,
• 20:39
  I've always thought, you know, they're the metal humming
• 20:41
  brothers, you know what I mean? Nicely done.
• 20:43
  That's interesting. Yeah.
• 20:44
  Who would you put in that's not in?
• 20:46
  That is like criminally not in. Could be any genre, I don't
• 20:49
  care. Christ, I think The Doobie
• 20:51
  Brothers should be in. I thought they might have been,
• 20:54
  but maybe they're not. I didn't think they were.
• 20:56
  I'll double check. I'll double check that.
• 20:58
  But yeah, maybe he should be in. I feel like they're in because I
• 21:02
  think McDonald is in twice, once by himself.
• 21:05
  Oh, is he really? I didn't know that.
• 21:06
  I think he's in or he should be in as a solo.
• 21:09
  Artist. Yeah, no shit, right?
• 21:11
  Yeah. Is there?
• 21:16
  I believe they are in. Yeah, they were in in 2020.
• 21:18
  That's easily why we didn't we were in because like the whole
• 21:21
  world mine white. Yeah, no shit.
• 21:26
  Who do I should be in? That is not I always.
• 21:29
  Say Thin Lizzy. Me personally.
• 21:31
  Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah. You know what?
• 21:33
  I always think they are, you know, because they're so fucking
• 21:36
  good. Yeah, that's a travesty.
• 21:38
  Christ almighty. I think I mean the cult.
• 21:41
  I mean, for some of my age, you know, Duffy's playing was so
• 21:45
  instrumental, you know, like na, na, na.
• 21:48
  Because, you know, very, you know, his rhythm playing is so
• 21:52
  fucking good, you know, and the guy had such a great swagger and
• 21:57
  the great singer. I mean, you know, I'm always in
• 22:00
  awe that they're not. And then some of the other
• 22:02
  bands, you know, that get on. I'm kind of like, what in the
• 22:04
  fuck? But yeah, you know, I you know,
• 22:07
  I was happy to see Maiden get in just because I like everyone of
• 22:12
  the fucking elves. Like not to be, but.
• 22:14
  And Blaze is getting in with them.
• 22:16
  So I think that's that's really beautiful that they decided to
• 22:18
  put Blaze in with them. I don't know if you know who
• 22:20
  else will be in beside the core band.
• 22:22
  And right, yeah, I mean, I think it was great he got in.
• 22:25
  I, you know, Christ, I'm trying to think if there's other bands
• 22:29
  that. D Angelo should be in.
• 22:32
  If you're. Going to have R&B singers in D.
• 22:35
  Yeah, you would. Be in like he really, you know,
• 22:38
  he kind of reinvented the. For what he did, yeah.
• 22:40
  I mean, I mean that I mean that genre was was unfortunately, you
• 22:43
  know, then he he just fucking blew up.
• 22:47
  There's neo soul because of him, right.
• 22:49
  You know, he he single brought that fucking him.
• 22:52
  Jill Scott, the roots, Badoo, you know what I mean?
• 22:56
  Yeah, I mean so so they all you know, I I think that, you know,
• 23:01
  they got forgotten a lot, which is really awful.
• 23:03
  You know, there's so much better than a lot of the shit that, you
• 23:06
  know, you hear on the, you know, on the radio.
• 23:08
  So yeah, I mean, obviously I would love to see him.
• 23:12
  I have to think next time we chat, you know, I'll be able to
• 23:14
  give you a Yeah. Yeah, well, I'll see you on the
• 23:17
  road or, you know, whatever. We'll do this again sometime.
• 23:21
  Yeah, at a festival or somewhere else.
• 23:22
  But like, yeah, of course. And last, as always, I end with
• 23:26
  a wild card question. What is the last good book you
• 23:28
  read? Oh Christ, the last good book I
• 23:30
  read. I finished the Steely Dam book,
• 23:33
  which I thought was brilliant, so really good.
• 23:37
  And oh, the Gorman from, you know, the old Black Rose.
• 23:44
  That was a great fucking book. I mean, and I just finished the
• 23:50
  Jeff Tweedy book that he's talking about songs.
• 23:53
  Nice. That's yeah, that I saw is on my
• 23:54
  list. Also.
• 23:55
  I kind of wanted, even though I don't think they're a Hall of
• 23:57
  Fame band, I wanted Black Crows to get in so those old guys like
• 24:01
  Mark Ford and Gorman would show up and shit on Chris and Rich in
• 24:06
  public. They were, I mean.
• 24:07
  They're, they were my favorite band during that, you know, in
• 24:09
  like 90. Those first 3-4 records and I'll
• 24:13
  say the page Black Crows record is playing.
• 24:15
  Change the fucking for me man. I mean, we used to have like
• 24:18
  handle pies, so like a 175 of Beam and listen to that album.
• 24:23
  And so, yeah, I didn't think they would get in, you know, but
• 24:28
  you know, yeah. I mean, you know, that kind of
• 24:30
  changed my that's another band that was just growing up.
• 24:33
  You're like, holy fuck. Because they were so different,
• 24:35
  you know, I mean, they weren't like, you know, you know, they
• 24:38
  were more of a 70s vibe had that, you know, Rod Stewart, the
• 24:41
  faces kind of, you know, the Stones vibe, you know, packed
• 24:44
  with like a Graham Parsons, that sort of, you know, delicacy.
• 24:49
  Graham got in as an influence, which is nice.
• 24:51
  So we'll get look at that. I just came from Joshua Tree
• 24:53
  from the metal festival and everybody the the Grand Parsons
• 24:57
  died in the desert. And then his friend set him on
• 25:00
  fire. Like, yeah.
• 25:02
  He had, yeah. Fucking funeral.
• 25:03
  Crazy. Every Uber driver tried to tell
• 25:05
  me that story. Yeah.
• 25:06
  Like, hey, have you heard about Grand Parsons?
• 25:08
  Yeah, totally. I have.
• 25:10
  Totally. Yeah, man, so good to talk to
• 25:12
  you, Mark. Thank you.
• 25:12
  I'm just proud of you guys. Thank you so much for this new
• 25:16
  record coming out on Black Light Media Gozu 6 with the Roman
• 25:20
  numerals, not VI dumbasses and read a book and once again
• 25:26
  brother, just a pleasure to always talk to you.
• 25:28
  Give my best to Doug in the guide.
• 25:29
  Thank you. Will do.
• 25:30
  Thank you brother. Take care, man.