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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And Her Date With The State (10/22/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: To the Epstein Chronicles. The Ghislaine Maxwell trial is in
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Speaker 1: exactly three days, folks, and there's nothing that's stopping it
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Speaker 1: at this point. Ghislaine Maxwell, her team of lawyers, and
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Speaker 1: her few surrogates have done everything in their power to
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Speaker 1: make sure that this case doesn't get brought before a jury.
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Speaker 1: And it's no different than Epstein's M.O., The same tactics
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Speaker 1: have been used throughout the whole entire criminal group. And
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what they are, in my opinion. A criminal enterprise.
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Speaker 1: You mean to tell me Jeffrey Epstein wasn't engaging in
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Speaker 1: money laundering, huh? You mean to tell me Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: wasn't engaging in tax evasion, huh? You mean he wasn't
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Speaker 1: engaging in payoffs? Wait, what? All of that was happening. Unfortunately...
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Speaker 1: The United States government's obviously too busy to address the
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Speaker 1: real 5,000 pound elephant in the room. And that is
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Speaker 1: the financial aspect of this whole entire ordeal. And the reason,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, that they avoid that like it's the plague,
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Speaker 1: the reason they're not going to dig into the financials
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Speaker 1: is because of what they would find. And they know.
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Speaker 1: If we know, they know. And remember, lies of omission
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Speaker 1: are still lies. So even if the federal government puts
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Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell behind bars for 80 years, of course, that's
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Speaker 1: a good thing. Of course, she deserves to pay whatever
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Speaker 1: penalty is at the end of the road for her
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Speaker 1: alleged crimes. Now, remember, Maxwell, they're alleged crimes. She hasn't
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Speaker 1: been found guilty yet. But the circumstantial evidence sure is overwhelming,
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Speaker 1: isn't it? But when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein, there's
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Speaker 1: no allege there, folks. He was what he was. And
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Speaker 1: this whole entire criminal conspiracy that they were engaging in,
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Speaker 1: moving money here, moving money there, structuring at Deutsche Bank,
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Speaker 1: and never nothing comes of it. If it was you
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Speaker 1: who was structuring, or you evading your taxes, you better
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Speaker 1: believe that They would have been all over you. And
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Speaker 1: they would have had no problem dropping a RICO case
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Speaker 1: on you. The same way they did R. Kelly. The
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Speaker 1: same way they did Keith Ranieri. But all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell doesn't get a RICO case? The co-conspirators are
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Speaker 1: just going to slide through the sunset here and have
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Speaker 1: a great life? That's not justice. And when you look
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Speaker 1: at the core four... Meaning the lieutenants underneath Ghislaine Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: Sarah Kellen Vickers, Leslie Groff, Adriana Ross. You understand that
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Speaker 1: they were a huge part in what went on here.
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Speaker 1: And furthermore, how is it that Darren Indyke and Richard
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Speaker 1: Kahn aren't in the crosshairs here? Their names are literally
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Speaker 1: on every single piece of documentation that's ever been signed
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Speaker 1: as far as business dealings with Jeffrey Epstein, the in-house lawyer,
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Speaker 1: and the in-house accountant. But nah, they'll slide by somehow. And,
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Speaker 1: you know, what they'll do is they'll put a package
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Speaker 1: on this, a little bow on this after it's all
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Speaker 1: said and done. And they'll say they gave us justice
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Speaker 1: because Maxwell will go to prison forever. And again, she
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Speaker 1: deserves to go to prison forever. But what about the remnants?
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Speaker 1: All these other people that helped make this thing go,
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Speaker 1: they're just going to be able to get off, huh?
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Speaker 1: And once again, the wheel keeps spinning. No matter if
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Speaker 1: you break a spoke, the wheel keeps spinning. So the idea, folks,
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Speaker 1: is to break the wheel entirely. Nobody should be getting
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Speaker 1: off in this case. If you provided testimony that helps
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Speaker 1: prosecute Maxwell and helps convict Maxwell, you should get a
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Speaker 1: lighter sentence. Nobody should get off in a sex trafficking case.
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Speaker 1: Nobody should get off with probation. But we all know
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Speaker 1: that the system is set up specifically to benefit people
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Speaker 1: like Maxwell. And that's why it's galling when she sits
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Speaker 1: up there and they cry those crocodile tears about her
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Speaker 1: conditions in jail. Meanwhile, we all know people. Well, I
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Speaker 1: shouldn't say all of us. A lot of us know
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Speaker 1: people who have really been to jail, really been to prison,
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Speaker 1: who have really suffered. That's why I have no sympathy
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Speaker 1: for Ghislaine Maxwell. She was somebody of power and influence
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Speaker 1: and wealth. She was hanging out with presidents. She could
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Speaker 1: have spoken their ear, right? And she could have been
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Speaker 1: a champion of criminal reform from the jump. But she
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Speaker 1: wasn't because she doesn't care. Until it was her. Until
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Speaker 1: she was affected by it. Now she's this big champion
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Speaker 1: of criminal reform. Now she's out here. She thinks she's
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Speaker 1: Kanye West of criminal reform. Stop it. Nobody buys it, okay?
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Speaker 1: If you weren't in prison, you wouldn't be crying one
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Speaker 1: single tear about anybody in jail. You wouldn't care that
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Speaker 1: they were eating bologna sandwiches. But now that you, yourself,
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Speaker 1: are getting a little taste, well, oh boy, the whole
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Speaker 1: world should stop and everybody should worry about making Maxwell's
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Speaker 1: life great. Breaking news. Not gonna happen. And furthermore, I
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Speaker 1: don't think anybody besides a handful of people has any
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Speaker 1: empathy for you. You're going to have your chance to
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Speaker 1: plead your case here in a few days. And then
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Speaker 1: we're going to see what's what. My only hope is
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Speaker 1: that the prosecution doesn't drop the ball. And if it
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Speaker 1: wasn't for Allison Moe, I would be very, very scared
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Speaker 1: that they wouldn't even get a conviction here. But it
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Speaker 1: seems like Allison Moe is somebody who wants to do
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Speaker 1: the right thing. Seems like she has been charging hard
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Speaker 1: throughout this whole entire process. So hopefully that remains the same. But... Again,
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Speaker 1: when you're dealing with the federal government, I'm not comfortable
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Speaker 1: making any predictions. But one thing I will say for
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Speaker 1: sure is the fact that the remnants of this operation
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Speaker 1: are not going to be swept up and that they're
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Speaker 1: going to be left to their own devices to go
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Speaker 1: and grandstand and jet away to all of these foreign
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Speaker 1: destinations with the money that they were seeded with by Epstein,
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Speaker 1: by the way, is just galling to me. And it
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Speaker 1: has to be a slap in the face to those
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Speaker 1: who suffered at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein and his enterprise. Alright,
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Speaker 1: so we have an article today from NBC News. And
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Speaker 1: the headline is, Ghislaine Maxwell's trial starts Monday. Epstein victims, survivors,
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Speaker 1: say she was central to his scheme. This is a
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Speaker 1: ring that ensnared dozens and dozens and dozens of girls.
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Speaker 1: And Maxwell was an integral player, one civil attorney said.
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Speaker 1: This article was authored by Tom Winter, Sarah Fitzpatrick, and
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Speaker 1: Corky Simasco. The long-awaited trial of convicted sex trafficker Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein's confidant Ghislaine Maxwell Confidant? How about alleged co-conspirator, general
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Speaker 1: all-around scuzzbag, fellow child abuser, and bipedal serpent? That works
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Speaker 1: as well. Getting underway Monday can be likened to an iceberg.
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Speaker 1: Many of the unanswered questions about their alleged enterprise will
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Speaker 1: remain hidden for now. Of course they will. And that's
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Speaker 1: the whole reason why I'm even on this podcast. You
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Speaker 1: really think I want to talk about this every day?
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Speaker 1: I don't get any enjoyment out of this. I've been
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Speaker 1: talking about this topic for three years. I feel like
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Speaker 1: I'm yelling into a hurricane most of the time. Up
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Speaker 1: until recently, nobody wanted to hear it. Now all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden we have a bunch of experts popping up
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Speaker 1: all over the place and everybody knows everything about Epstein now. Well,
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Speaker 1: the reality of the situation is this, folks. There's still
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Speaker 1: a lot we don't know. And the fact that there
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Speaker 1: are so many unanswered questions is one of those things
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Speaker 1: that I just continue to shake my head at. If
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Speaker 1: they would have slapped Rico on these guys, we wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have any unanswered questions. We'd have an army of forensic
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Speaker 1: accountants digging through every transaction he ever made. You would
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Speaker 1: get guys like Glenn Dubin. You would get guys like
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Speaker 1: Jess Staley, Leon Black. They'd all be caught up in
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Speaker 1: this because they were all involved financially with Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: And under Rico, if you receive money that is considered
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Speaker 1: ill-gotten gains, you are now part of the investigation. So
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Speaker 1: it's good enough for them to slap Rico on everybody
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Speaker 1: else in the country. Good enough for them to slap
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Speaker 1: Rico on anybody whose last name ends in a vowel.
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Speaker 1: But forget it. If it's Jeffrey Epstein and his cohorts, eh,
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Speaker 1: because we don't want to be embarrassed. All your bag
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Speaker 1: men will get caught up in it, right? You won't
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Speaker 1: have the donations coming your way come election season. Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: a British socialite, co-conspirator, general all around scuzzbag, bipedal serpent,
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Speaker 1: who insists she is innocent... is not likely to face
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Speaker 1: questions about allegedly helping Epstein arrange dates with women over
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Speaker 1: the age of 18 for a constellation of rich and
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Speaker 1: powerful men. She is also not likely to be questioned
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Speaker 1: about allegations from an alleged victim who said in a
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Speaker 1: civil lawsuit that Maxwell trafficked her to Britain's Prince Andrew
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Speaker 1: when she was 17. He has denied the allegations. So
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Speaker 1: they're talking about Virginia. And the Virginia situation is separate
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Speaker 1: from this trial. Virginia is not going to be somebody
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Speaker 1: whose allegations are brought up at this trial. And we
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Speaker 1: can talk till the cows come home about all of
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Speaker 1: that because I don't understand. why right I can't sit
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Speaker 1: here and tell you why they chose to just do
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Speaker 1: it in this small scope when we know there was
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Speaker 1: a lot more maybe prosecution believes with this small scope
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Speaker 1: you know the the the the number of girls in
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Speaker 1: comparison with the actual number of girls that have come
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Speaker 1: forward They feel like that these are their strongest charges.
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Speaker 1: And that's why they're going with these. That's my guess.
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Speaker 1: But in a real world where justice mattered, she'd be
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Speaker 1: getting charged with everything under the sun. And then it
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Speaker 1: would be up to her defense attorneys to defend them
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Speaker 1: from these charges. And I've seen it happen. I've seen
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Speaker 1: people I care about get hit with 100 charges of
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Speaker 1: RICO literally and only have one stick. but they try
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Speaker 1: and hit you with everything under the sun, that way
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Speaker 1: something does stick, and that way you feel like you're drowning.
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Speaker 1: And to litigate against the federal government, if you're not
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Speaker 1: somebody of Maxwell's wealth, it's almost impossible. That's why you
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Speaker 1: see so many plea deals taken in federal court. Nor
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Speaker 1: is it likely that prosecution will be allowed to delve
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Speaker 1: too deeply into the social and business relationships of Epstein,
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Speaker 1: a multi-millionaire financier, pedophile, with other bold-faced names like former
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Speaker 1: presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, and Ohio billionaire Leslie Wexner.
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Speaker 1: Let's not forget Prince Andrew, a.k.a. the Joe Exotic of
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Speaker 1: the Windsor family. And again, you see the small scope
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Speaker 1: of this, right? And I've warned you of this. It's
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Speaker 1: just going to be about Maxwell here, folks. This isn't
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Speaker 1: going to be the remnants of his criminal organization on trial.
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Speaker 1: Short of us getting that RICO charge that we've talked
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Speaker 1: about since the beginning of this show, there was no
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Speaker 1: way that all the remnants were going to be swooped
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Speaker 1: up here. And what do you think? They're going to
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Speaker 1: piecemeal all these cases? So it really turns out to
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Speaker 1: be a shame. And once again, the Department of Justice,
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Speaker 1: they show their face. They show who they really are.
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Speaker 1: If this was a politically leaning case where they thought
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Speaker 1: they could score political points and hammer home, oh, they'd
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Speaker 1: be doing it. Believe me. But it's not that. And
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Speaker 1: they understand the jeopardy of all of them. Both sides
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Speaker 1: of the aisle. All these power players. All these bag men.
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Speaker 1: And they're trying to protect their friends. And that's really
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Speaker 1: what it comes down to. At least from my perspective, right? Remember,
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Speaker 1: this is a news commentary show. I am not a journalist.
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Speaker 1: I'm not out in the street with the people getting
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Speaker 1: the message. I'm not going to fake the funk and
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Speaker 1: act like that. But for me, looking at it, digesting it,
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Speaker 1: curating it, It's obvious what's going on. They understand how
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Speaker 1: hypercharged this is, even just the small scope of what
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Speaker 1: we're going to see. Now, imagine if this was the
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Speaker 1: whole thing being dissected on the national stage. It's amazing
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Speaker 1: to me that there's no prosecutors out there that are
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Speaker 1: looking to cut their teeth and become a superstar, even
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Speaker 1: that moron Rudy Giuliani. was able to vault off of
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Speaker 1: his success against the mafia and become the mayor of
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Speaker 1: New York, you know, the mayor of America, all of
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Speaker 1: that jazz. You mean to tell me there's no prosecutors
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Speaker 1: out there that don't give a damn about pressure, that
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Speaker 1: want to cut their teeth and make a name for themselves?
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Speaker 1: Times sure have changed, haven't they? Instead, U.S. District Judge
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Speaker 1: Allison Nathan of the Southern District of New York has
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Speaker 1: limited the scope of federal prosecutors by focusing the case
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Speaker 1: against the British socialite co-conspirator turned suspect specifically on allegations
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Speaker 1: that she helped Epstein recruit and abuse four underage girls
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Speaker 1: in the 90s. And again, look, I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: sit here and try and act like I know better
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Speaker 1: than the prosecution about what charges to bring or how
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Speaker 1: to go about prosecuting a case. I do not. But
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Speaker 1: we all know that there's a lot more than just four.
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Speaker 1: There's so many girls who have come forward. And just
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Speaker 1: in Palm Beach, we know the scope. Dozens and dozens
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Speaker 1: and dozens of little girls. And then for people who say, well,
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Speaker 1: some girls were over the age of consent. That might
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Speaker 1: be the case. But did they consent to be trafficked?
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Speaker 1: Just because somebody is of age doesn't mean they can't
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Speaker 1: be trafficked. And again, it goes to the heart of
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Speaker 1: the problem. And that's why I spend so much time
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Speaker 1: hammering the human trafficking issue. So we understand what it
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Speaker 1: truly means. What they want to do is snatch the narrative.
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Speaker 1: What they want to do is try and tell you
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Speaker 1: it's something that it's not. And then what they want
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Speaker 1: to do is try and explain to you that Ghislaine Maxwell, well,
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Speaker 1: she was just a shrinking violet. She was just along
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Speaker 1: for the ride, folks. She had nothing to do with it.
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Speaker 1: It's like the guy driving the car when the other
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Speaker 1: dude shoots the guy at the grocery store. Oh, I
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Speaker 1: didn't pull the trigger. No, but you're, you know, they're
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Speaker 1: with him. Without you, the crime couldn't occur. And it's
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Speaker 1: the same with Maxwell and Epstein, except in Maxwell's case,
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Speaker 1: there are survivors who said she also took part. And
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Speaker 1: that needs to be addressed. That needs to be discussed.
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Speaker 1: This is going to be a narrow slice of what happens.
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Speaker 1: Of what happened. said civil attorney Dan Kaiser, who represents
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Speaker 1: several alleged Epstein survivors, though none involved with this particular trial.
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Speaker 1: This is a ring that ensnared dozens and dozens and
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Speaker 1: dozens of girls, and Maxwell was an integral player. You
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Speaker 1: could say she was Epstein's chief operating officer. Same thing
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Speaker 1: I've been telling you guys for years. Except I use
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Speaker 1: the analogy of the mafia, right? She's the underboss. You know,
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Speaker 1: I like a real talk for real people here. I
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Speaker 1: like to use analogies that you guys, you know, you're
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Speaker 1: familiar with. But it's no doubt about it. She was
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Speaker 1: such an integral player. Someone who was, without her, this
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Speaker 1: whole thing doesn't happen. Opening statements in a trial that
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Speaker 1: is expected to last six weeks begin Monday. And those four,
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Speaker 1: now grown, women will take the stand and testify against Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: prosecutors have said. Epstein was found dead in August 2019
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Speaker 1: in a Manhattan jail while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.
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Speaker 1: His death was ruled a suicide, allegedly. Maxwell was the
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Speaker 1: center of that sex trafficking ring, alleged Epstein victim Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Arreos told NBC News after Maxwell was arrested in July
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Speaker 1: 2020 at her luxurious hideout in Bedford, New Hampshire. I
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Speaker 1: posted an article recently about how the FBI was able
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Speaker 1: to track her down. And very fascinating how they go
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Speaker 1: about doing it. And honestly, very terrifying as well if
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Speaker 1: you're somebody who loves civil rights. Because the FBI has
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Speaker 1: no chill. These dudes have no chill when it comes
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Speaker 1: to trying to get information on somebody. Forget it. If
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Speaker 1: you don't think we live in a surveillance state, folks,
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Speaker 1: you are sorely mistaken. We do. NBC News generally does
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Speaker 1: not identify rape victims. But Arreos went public in an
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Speaker 1: interview in July 2019, during which she said she was
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Speaker 1: 15 when Epstein raped her. She has sued Maxwell, claiming
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Speaker 1: that she and other staffers conspired with each other to
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Speaker 1: make possible and otherwise facilitate the sexual abuse and rape
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Speaker 1: of plaintiff. Maxwell has repeatedly denied the accusations against her.
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Speaker 1: And there again, this isn't just one girl. This isn't
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Speaker 1: just Jennifer. This isn't just Annie. This isn't just one person.
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Speaker 1: There are so many girls and women who have come
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Speaker 1: forward and said that this happened. So for me, it's
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Speaker 1: not a he said, she said. It's not a gray
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Speaker 1: area issue. When you have this many people coming forward
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Speaker 1: and saying this occurred and this much evidence backing it up,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone can sit around and be like, ah,
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Speaker 1: come on, this is a gray area issue. We don't
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Speaker 1: know what really happened. No, we know what happened, okay?
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's estate paid out all that money. You know
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Speaker 1: what that means? They took responsibility for Jeffrey Epstein's crimes
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Speaker 1: against those girls, or they wouldn't have paid out that money.
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Speaker 1: So enough with the alleged Jeffrey Epstein victims, okay? Those
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Speaker 1: girls survived Jeffrey Epstein. There's no alleged about it. Dude
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Speaker 1: was a sick bastard. Now, if you want to say
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Speaker 1: alleged next to Max, well, that's fine. We haven't, she's
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Speaker 1: not convicted yet, right? And in this country, there are rules.
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Speaker 1: You're not convicted yet. You're not convicted yet. You got
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Speaker 1: to go to trial first. And my whole point has
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Speaker 1: been from the beginning, these people have never even been
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Speaker 1: put on trial. So how is there any equity in justice?
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Speaker 1: Now that they're being put on trial, fine, that's a
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Speaker 1: step in the right direction, right? Shows that at least
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Speaker 1: the justice system is kind of paying attention. But once again,
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Speaker 1: they're not willing to go the extra mile. Arreos is
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Speaker 1: not one of the women expected to testify against Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: all of whom will be identified at the trial only
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Speaker 1: by their initials. She is represented by Kaiser. Maxwell's older
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Speaker 1: brother Ian has said his sister is a patsy, and
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Speaker 1: that the federal investigators zeroed in on her only after
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Speaker 1: Epstein hanged himself. Allegedly. They lost him, and so there
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Speaker 1: has to be somebody to pay the price. There has
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Speaker 1: to be the patsy. Ghislaine is paying that price, and
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Speaker 1: she's paying it every day, he said in NBC in
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Speaker 1: a CBS interview in November. Uh, well, guess what? play
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Speaker 1: stupid games, you win stupid prizes. I have no remorse
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Speaker 1: for these people, all right? She could have been anywhere
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Speaker 1: in the world. Remember, we're not talking about somebody who's underprivileged,
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Speaker 1: somebody who's from a war-torn nation, somebody who's been groomed,
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Speaker 1: from a family of scions. And you mean to tell
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Speaker 1: me she was a patsy? Nah, more like she showed
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Speaker 1: up and she jumped right into a command role. That
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Speaker 1: seems more likely to me. Not true, prosecutors have said.
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Speaker 1: Maxwell played a critical role in helping Epstein identify, befriend,
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Speaker 1: and groom minor victims for abuse. Then acting attorney Audrey
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Speaker 1: Strauss told reporters after Maxwell was arrested, in some cases,
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Speaker 1: Maxwell participated in the abuse herself. And that's exactly the
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Speaker 1: rub of it, right? When we get down to it
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Speaker 1: and we get into the weeds, this is what the
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Speaker 1: survivors have said. This isn't something that I'm making up.
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Speaker 1: That's something we just pulled out of thin air. The
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Speaker 1: survivors themselves have said she took part. So that needs
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Speaker 1: to be addressed. If you have multiple people coming forward
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Speaker 1: saying that this occurred, something that definitely needs to be
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Speaker 1: talked about in a court of law. Maxwell faces eight
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Speaker 1: criminal counts tied to the alleged efforts to entice minors
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Speaker 1: to travel and engage in illegal sex acts. Conspiracy to
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Speaker 1: transport minors with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity
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Speaker 1: and sex trafficking conspiracy. Notice they transport minors with intent
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Speaker 1: to engage in criminal sexual activity, but no man act.
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Speaker 1: And the Mann Act was specifically put on the books
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Speaker 1: to deal with this sort of thing. Funny how she's
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Speaker 1: not hit with that law, right? Funny how that happens.
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Speaker 1: But it's good enough for R. Kelly. It's good enough
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Speaker 1: for Rainieri. If convicted on all counts, Maxwell, 59, who
21:23
Speaker 1: was being held without bail in a Brooklyn jail, could
21:25
Speaker 1: face years in prison. 80 years, by the way. In
21:28
Speaker 1: a 24-page second superseding indictment, prosecutors allege that from 1994
21:35
Speaker 1: to 2004, Maxwell assisted, facilitated, and contributed to Epstein's abuse
21:40
Speaker 1: of minor girls by recruiting them, grooming them, and ultimately
21:44
Speaker 1: sexually abusing the victims herself. Pretty heavy stuff, folks, right?
21:49
Speaker 1: And that was the superseded indictment, the second indictment that
21:51
Speaker 1: dropped on her. That alone is going to have these
21:56
Speaker 1: jurors choking on their coffee So you see, when you
22:02
Speaker 1: look at the charges and you look at some of
22:04
Speaker 1: the complaints against her, you understand very quickly why her
22:07
Speaker 1: and her team do not want this in a court
22:09
Speaker 1: of law and why they played the game of technicalities
22:11
Speaker 1: and loopholes in such a fevered pace. The victims were
22:17
Speaker 1: as young as 14 years old when she and Epstein
22:19
Speaker 1: sexually abused them, prosecutors contend. Both Epstein and Maxwell knew
22:23
Speaker 1: that some of the victims were minors, the prosecutors say.
22:27
Speaker 1: And as part of her alleged scheme, prosecutors say Maxwell
22:29
Speaker 1: worked with Epstein to entice the minor survivors to travel
22:34
Speaker 1: to his luxury residences across the globe. The abuse allegedly
22:38
Speaker 1: happened in Epstein's luxurious residences in Palm Beach, Florida, Santa Fe,
22:43
Speaker 1: New Mexico, and on the Upper East Side of Manhattan,
22:46
Speaker 1: prosecutors have said. Now, remember, and I don't mean to
22:50
Speaker 1: harp on this or act like a crazy person, but
22:53
Speaker 1: I can't help myself. Zorro Ranch, the New Mexico property,
22:59
Speaker 1: has never been raided. There has never been a state-initiated
23:04
Speaker 1: investigation into Jeffrey Epstein's activity in their state. And the feds,
23:10
Speaker 1: nobody's kicked in the door. No team of FBI agents
23:13
Speaker 1: have shown up to kick in doors and point guns
23:15
Speaker 1: at people. Nobody got dragged out of their house. What
23:20
Speaker 1: kind of evidence has been lost because the feds didn't act?
23:24
Speaker 1: What was at Zorro Ranch that kept the feds from
23:27
Speaker 1: raiding it? Again, I don't know. I'm asking the questions.
23:33
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, nobody has any answers. But the situation in
23:38
Speaker 1: New Mexico is absolutely ridiculous. So much so that I
23:42
Speaker 1: had to go there myself to try and figure some
23:44
Speaker 1: things out. And to tell you the truth, I have
23:48
Speaker 1: another plan to head back down there. because the whole
23:53
Speaker 1: situation there is inconceivable to me. And the fact that
23:57
Speaker 1: there's basically a media blackout about it, no national news
24:00
Speaker 1: ever talking about Zorro Ranch, it just goes to the
24:03
Speaker 1: heart of the whole matter. The legacy media has missed
24:07
Speaker 1: the train on this whole entire case from Jump Street.
24:15
Speaker 1: The youngest daughter of British press baron Robert Maxwell, who
24:19
Speaker 1: drowned in 1991, allegedly, Maxwell also faces two counts of
24:23
Speaker 1: perjury tied to a deposition in a civil case in 2016.
24:27
Speaker 1: The indictment alleges that when Maxwell was questioned about her
24:30
Speaker 1: involvement in the alleged abuse and trafficking, she lied under oath.
24:35
Speaker 1: But Nathan has severed those perjury counts from this trial. Right,
24:38
Speaker 1: after this trial is done, she will face charges of
24:41
Speaker 1: perjury as well and have to have another trial. Now, obviously,
24:45
Speaker 1: those perjury charges are nothing like the one she's facing here,
24:49
Speaker 1: but here we are. Maxwell was arrested a year after
24:55
Speaker 1: Epstein was nabbed at a New Jersey airport after returning
24:58
Speaker 1: from Paris on a private jet. According to a government
25:01
Speaker 1: motion opposing Maxwell's request to be released on bail, her
25:05
Speaker 1: arrest had a bit of drama. Now, again, I posted
25:10
Speaker 1: an article about this, how the FBI tracked her down
25:12
Speaker 1: last night. An episode, I mean. You definitely want to
25:16
Speaker 1: check that one out because it gives a little more
25:17
Speaker 1: background of how this whole thing went down. After FBI
25:21
Speaker 1: agents breached the gate of her New Hampshire home and
25:24
Speaker 1: then directed her private security guards to open the front door,
25:27
Speaker 1: the agents allegedly spotted Maxwell trying to flee. Can you imagine?
25:31
Speaker 1: Her running with that goofy haircut? Running into the bathroom?
25:35
Speaker 1: Her bangers and mash flying all over the place as
25:37
Speaker 1: she trips? Caviar smashing her in the face? The agents
25:42
Speaker 1: saw the defendant ignore the direction to open the door
25:45
Speaker 1: and instead tried to flee to another room in the house.
25:48
Speaker 1: quickly shutting a door behind her, the court papers say.
25:51
Speaker 1: Imagine being that detached from reality you think you're going
25:53
Speaker 1: to hide in the bathroom from the feds. Breaking news,
25:57
Speaker 1: the feds are coming to get you no matter what.
25:59
Speaker 1: They don't give a shit. Her lawyers argued in court
26:05
Speaker 1: papers that she was living in seclusion to protect herself
26:08
Speaker 1: and her family members from unrelenting and intrusive media coverage. Yeah, right.
26:12
Speaker 1: The media didn't give a fuck. The only people who
26:15
Speaker 1: cared were independent content creators and you. The media was
26:19
Speaker 1: too busy engaging in their political dalliances trying to destroy
26:23
Speaker 1: their enemies. Meanwhile, they left the real fight to the
26:27
Speaker 1: rest of us. In depositions in a civil case, Epstein's
26:32
Speaker 1: former masseuses, staffers, and associates have painted a portrait of
26:36
Speaker 1: Maxwell as the chief enabler of a serial sexual predator.
26:40
Speaker 1: Alleged Epstein victim, huh? Alleged Epstein victim? Again, how much
26:45
Speaker 1: money has Epstein's estate paid out to these girls? pretty
26:48
Speaker 1: sure that Virginia Roberts was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein,
26:52
Speaker 1: who is now a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein. Let's drop
26:55
Speaker 1: the alleged there, huh, guys? In September 2019, Dateline's interview
27:01
Speaker 1: stated that Maxwell lured her into the financier pedophile's web.
27:05
Speaker 1: At the time, Roberts said she was working as a
27:08
Speaker 1: locker room attendant at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort and happened to
27:11
Speaker 1: be reading a book on massage therapy when she was
27:14
Speaker 1: approached by this beautiful, well-spoken, well-mannered woman who with an
27:17
Speaker 1: English accent, prim and proper. I mean, it's like the
27:21
Speaker 1: Grey Poupon commercial from when we were growing up. Excuse me,
27:24
Speaker 1: do you happen to have some Grey Poupon? That's the
27:27
Speaker 1: kind of shit I think about when I see Maxwell
27:29
Speaker 1: and her type. And she says it's so funny that
27:34
Speaker 1: you're reading a book on that because I know this
27:36
Speaker 1: older gentleman who's looking for a travel masseuse, Roberts recalled.
27:39
Speaker 1: He's super rich. He flies around everywhere. But by the
27:43
Speaker 1: end of her first visit to Epstein's Palm Beach mansion,
27:46
Speaker 1: Roberts said, Maxwell had manipulated her into having sex with
27:50
Speaker 1: her boss. And soon, Roberts said, she found herself being
27:54
Speaker 1: trafficked by Maxwell and Epstein to rich and powerful men
27:57
Speaker 1: like Andrew. Whatever the outcome of this trial, the fact
28:01
Speaker 1: that Epstein is no more and Maxwell has been put
28:03
Speaker 1: on trial is already a comfort to some of their accusers.
28:07
Speaker 1: Now that the ring has been taken down, I know
28:09
Speaker 1: that I can't be heard anymore, Arreos said. And there
28:13
Speaker 1: is a sentiment for a lot of the survivors like that.
28:16
Speaker 1: But there are some that feel wronged still, that feel
28:20
Speaker 1: that the prosecution is not going far enough and that
28:24
Speaker 1: those who helped them be abused are not going to
28:28
Speaker 1: be ultimately punished. And I kind of feel the same way, right?
28:35
Speaker 1: It's good that Epstein's gone. Wish he would have faced trial, right,
28:37
Speaker 1: for his crimes. But Maxwell going to prison, that'll be
28:41
Speaker 1: a good thing, too. But what about the rest of
28:43
Speaker 1: these foes? Are we just going to let them ride
28:45
Speaker 1: off into that cool night? Collect their bag and forget
28:50
Speaker 1: about it? Certainly looks like that's the route the federal
28:54
Speaker 1: government is going to go. If you'd like to contact me,
28:59
Speaker 1: you can do that at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I
29:07
Speaker 1: at protonmail.com. You can also find me on Twitter at
29:11
Speaker 1: B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that we discussed can be
29:17
Speaker 1: found in the description box. And as for me, well,
29:21
Speaker 1: what's up, everyone? And welcome back to the program. Today,
29:25
Speaker 1: we're going to dive back into the topic of Ghislaine
29:27
Speaker 1: Maxwell and take a look at some of the headlines
29:31
Speaker 1: that have come across the wire today. First headline we're
29:36
Speaker 1: going to discuss is Ghislaine Maxwell's brother, and his doubt.
29:40
Speaker 1: that his sister is going to get a fair hearing
29:42
Speaker 1: at her trial on sex trafficking and other charges. Come on, man. Really?
29:49
Speaker 1: Your sister has had the best access to legal advice,
29:53
Speaker 1: the best lawyers, the most well-versed people. When it comes
29:58
Speaker 1: to getting people off of crimes in her corner. She
30:03
Speaker 1: has been protected while she's been in the lockup. She
30:09
Speaker 1: has been allowed to see her lawyer, speak with her lawyer.
30:12
Speaker 1: She's been allowed access to a laptop computer for up
30:15
Speaker 1: to 14 hours a day. What do you mean she's
30:18
Speaker 1: not going to get a fair trial? She's going to
30:21
Speaker 1: get a fair shake as much as anyone else gets
30:23
Speaker 1: a fair shake. Now if you want to talk about
30:26
Speaker 1: the system is broken. Definitely a conversation we can have.
30:30
Speaker 1: But not right now. You think I'm going to give
30:35
Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell and her elite buddies that out? Of now
30:39
Speaker 1: all of a sudden their crocodile tears are spilling over
30:43
Speaker 1: how bad things are inside of the prison system? Meanwhile,
30:48
Speaker 1: regular average people like me have been yelling about this
30:51
Speaker 1: for years. And to people who live in the suburbs
30:54
Speaker 1: or don't have any friends or family who have ever
30:56
Speaker 1: been in jail... And act like, oh, who cares? They're
30:59
Speaker 1: just prisoners or convicts. Well, wait until it's your loved
31:02
Speaker 1: one or your family member. And unfortunately for Maxwell and
31:07
Speaker 1: her people, they had to F around and find out
31:10
Speaker 1: to see what it was like. No compassion. No trying
31:16
Speaker 1: to step out of your box to see how other
31:18
Speaker 1: people live. Not until you are walking in those shoes.
31:22
Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden... Everybody needs to be aware
31:25
Speaker 1: of how bad the prison system is, how rough it
31:28
Speaker 1: is for people who are going up against the federal government. Newsflash,
31:31
Speaker 1: Ian Maxwell. Welcome to the party, homie. While you're up
31:36
Speaker 1: there rubbing shoulders and rubbing elbows with all of the
31:39
Speaker 1: other so-called elite, the rest of us are down here
31:43
Speaker 1: tying our work boots on and grabbing our thermos and
31:46
Speaker 1: our lunchbox to go to the factory to check in
31:48
Speaker 1: for a shift. You want to tell us about having
31:51
Speaker 1: the chessboard stacked against you? Stop it, man. You ain't
31:57
Speaker 1: going to find anyone who's compassionate towards your plight. And
32:02
Speaker 1: the reason is because it's artificial. If you've never had
32:08
Speaker 1: a concern about how broken the justice system was before,
32:12
Speaker 1: but you have that concern now that your sister is
32:16
Speaker 1: caught up in it, well, my friend, I can say
32:19
Speaker 1: to you, I understand. And I agree that the system
32:23
Speaker 1: is broken. But guess what? This is the system that
32:26
Speaker 1: your sister's friends have put into place. I certainly didn't
32:29
Speaker 1: vote for a system like this. And I'm sure most
32:31
Speaker 1: of you out there listening to this didn't vote for
32:34
Speaker 1: this kind of nonsense either. So when Ian Maxwell and
32:40
Speaker 1: Team Ghislaine Maxwell talk about how they're worried they're not
32:43
Speaker 1: going to get a fair trial, it makes me just
32:47
Speaker 1: honestly want to projectile vomit. Go ahead and take a
32:52
Speaker 1: look at Kalief Browder. Go ahead and take a look
32:55
Speaker 1: at the dude who just got beat the hell up
32:57
Speaker 1: in the Jersey lockup with a microwave, a wooden handle
33:03
Speaker 1: for a mop. Beat this dude into a coma. And
33:07
Speaker 1: Ghislaine's people are talking about, oh, she's being treated so
33:09
Speaker 1: bad by being in solitary. If she was on the
33:11
Speaker 1: main line, what do you think her life would be like?
33:14
Speaker 1: You think she'd be just moseying around and everything would
33:17
Speaker 1: be fine? The second someone like Maxwell hits the main line,
33:22
Speaker 1: hits the main yard, they're greenlit. It's not even a question.
33:28
Speaker 1: You're accused of trafficking children and abuse. Greenlit right away.
33:33
Speaker 1: So when her lawyers or her team or her family
33:36
Speaker 1: talk about, oh, it's inhumane to keep her locked up.
33:40
Speaker 1: Go take a look at the video from the dude
33:41
Speaker 1: who just got beat the hell up in Jersey today.
33:44
Speaker 1: And you tell me what's more humane. I bet you
33:46
Speaker 1: that dude wishes he was in the conditions Maxwell's in
33:50
Speaker 1: and they had their roles reversed. Because now, dude, they
33:53
Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to make it in a
33:56
Speaker 1: medically induced coma the whole nine. And this is the
33:58
Speaker 1: reality for normal people on a regular basis who are
34:01
Speaker 1: in jail. And look, don't get it twisted. I get it.
34:05
Speaker 1: People in jail, a lot of them are there for
34:07
Speaker 1: violent crimes. They're violent people who deserve to be there.
34:12
Speaker 1: But We have to talk about rehabilitation and we also
34:16
Speaker 1: have to talk about how broken the system really is.
34:20
Speaker 1: But we're not going to do that because Ghislaine Maxwell's
34:24
Speaker 1: in prison, are we? That's not what's going to initiate
34:27
Speaker 1: this conversation. He says in this article, I think my
34:33
Speaker 1: sister is probably relieved finally that it is starting because
34:37
Speaker 1: she's in prison now for over 500 days in isolation.
34:40
Speaker 1: So this has to come to an end. First of all,
34:42
Speaker 1: she's not in prison. She's in jail. Second of all, again,
34:45
Speaker 1: if she wasn't in isolation, we'd be hearing a whole
34:48
Speaker 1: different story. Oh, they're not protecting her. Oh, she got molested. Oh,
34:52
Speaker 1: she got assaulted. Oh, she got beat. Oh, she got killed.
34:56
Speaker 1: So please, I don't want to hear it. This is
34:58
Speaker 1: what happens with high-profile inmates. You think El Chapo was
35:01
Speaker 1: running the main line? He was in lockdown too. Mr.
35:06
Speaker 1: Maxwell said he fears that the media interest in his
35:08
Speaker 1: sister's case will jeopardize her shot at a fair trial.
35:12
Speaker 1: I mean, come on. Anytime there's a high-profile case like this,
35:16
Speaker 1: there's media coverage. People are interested. People want to know
35:19
Speaker 1: what happened. And now, all of the new interest in
35:23
Speaker 1: this case, for those of you who are just finding
35:25
Speaker 1: out about this, welcome. I call you the unsullied, by
35:28
Speaker 1: the way. And the unsullied are people that had no
35:31
Speaker 1: idea to the scope of what Jeffrey Epstein and his
35:35
Speaker 1: cohorts were up to. So... once they get an eyeful
35:40
Speaker 1: of what's going on here or what has occurred here, inevitably,
35:45
Speaker 1: it becomes a whole different viewpoint because it is inescapable
35:52
Speaker 1: how gross and disgusting Epstein's operation was and how gross
35:57
Speaker 1: and disgusting all those who were enabling him and taking
36:01
Speaker 1: part within that operation were as well. He also goes
36:08
Speaker 1: on to say, I think that there are several reasons
36:10
Speaker 1: for that. The enormous amount of negative media coverage for
36:14
Speaker 1: Ghislaine for at least the last 18 months, it's only
36:17
Speaker 1: been going in one direction. And that level of negative reporting,
36:20
Speaker 1: which is not coming in any other direction than against her,
36:24
Speaker 1: I think it has a potential to poison the jury
36:26
Speaker 1: pool at some level if they are only hearing one
36:28
Speaker 1: side of the story and not the other. What is
36:31
Speaker 1: the other side? I've been looking for it for this
36:34
Speaker 1: whole entire investigation. I've said it a million times. I
36:38
Speaker 1: don't believe all women. I don't believe all human beings.
36:40
Speaker 1: All human beings, men and women, are gray. I believe
36:44
Speaker 1: the evidence. And so far, the only evidence that I
36:48
Speaker 1: have seen has been damning to Ghislaine Maxwell. There has
36:52
Speaker 1: not been anything going the other way. So if you
36:56
Speaker 1: have this evidence, Ian Maxwell, let's see it. I mean,
37:01
Speaker 1: are you guys waiting to show us all at the trial? Cool,
37:04
Speaker 1: I'll be there waiting, ready to see all this evidence
37:06
Speaker 1: you say you have. But as of now, I can't
37:09
Speaker 1: really see where he's going to pull this evidence out of.
37:14
Speaker 1: Because when you put the pieces of the puzzle together,
37:17
Speaker 1: it's rather obvious that Jeffrey Epstein and his criminal cohorts...
37:28
Speaker 1: were engaging in human trafficking, they were engaging in money laundering,
37:31
Speaker 1: and they were engaging in other crimes as well. I'm
37:38
Speaker 1: not here to go against the accusers or to talk
37:40
Speaker 1: about innocence and guilt. No, of course. And folks, what
37:43
Speaker 1: have I said to you from the beginning? It's not
37:45
Speaker 1: about innocence or guilt with Maxwell because they know she's guilty.
37:48
Speaker 1: That's my opinion, obviously, right? I can't, you know, I
37:50
Speaker 1: don't have anything to prove that besides my gut feeling
37:53
Speaker 1: and all of the work that we've put in up
37:55
Speaker 1: to this point. But it's about technicalities. That's what they're
37:59
Speaker 1: looking for. A technicality or a loophole to try and
38:02
Speaker 1: get her off. They know they stand no shot in
38:04
Speaker 1: front of a jury. The reason I think this is
38:08
Speaker 1: a difficult process is because the way in which the
38:10
Speaker 1: authorities have chosen to proceed against my sister and to
38:14
Speaker 1: lock her up in isolation is wrong. It is an
38:16
Speaker 1: abuse of human rights and an abuse of the due
38:18
Speaker 1: process that has taken place, he said. No, it's not.
38:21
Speaker 1: This is what happens. You have a lack of understanding.
38:25
Speaker 1: Of how America works Mr. Maxwell. There's no bangers and
38:29
Speaker 1: mash here. Okay. You're not having any spotted dick in
38:33
Speaker 1: the morning. You're not tipping a cup with the governor. Alright.
38:39
Speaker 1: This is how it works here. You go into isolation.
38:44
Speaker 1: Because guess what. Our prison system is a fucking zoo.
38:48
Speaker 1: And people are animalistic in there. And they're looking to
38:51
Speaker 1: add some scalps. To their trophy case. To add cred.
38:55
Speaker 1: You got people in there doing 10 life sentences. You
38:58
Speaker 1: really think they're not going to take the chance to
39:00
Speaker 1: bang on a high profile inmate like Maxwell if she's
39:03
Speaker 1: out on the main line? Stop it. Again, it just
39:07
Speaker 1: shows you their lack of understanding at how all of
39:09
Speaker 1: this works. And when you're rich like that and you've
39:12
Speaker 1: never experienced the justice system and you've never experienced the
39:18
Speaker 1: absolute draconianism of prison and prison life, then it's a
39:25
Speaker 1: shock to the system. But those of us who have
39:27
Speaker 1: understood what it's like, who know people who have... been there,
39:30
Speaker 1: who have loved ones who have been there, we get
39:32
Speaker 1: it and we know someone like Ghislaine Maxwell cannot be
39:36
Speaker 1: on the main line. So Ian Maxwell and that whole
39:40
Speaker 1: routine of his sister not getting a fair trial, bupkis
39:43
Speaker 1: miss me with all of it. Now the next article
39:47
Speaker 1: we're going to discuss is... Judge Nathan allowing the false
39:53
Speaker 1: memories expert to testify at the trial. Now, this false
39:59
Speaker 1: memories expert, I don't even know what the fuck that means, honestly.
40:02
Speaker 1: So we're all just LARPing here. How can you tell
40:05
Speaker 1: somebody if they have false memories or not? I don't
40:07
Speaker 1: even understand any of this kind of science. It all
40:11
Speaker 1: seems like quackery to me. But again, what do I know, right?
40:14
Speaker 1: Just some average guy hanging out, not knowing much. But
40:18
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, false memories, dream therapy, it really
40:22
Speaker 1: seems like quackery to me. You know, it's like the
40:25
Speaker 1: chiropractors of the medical field or the mental health field
40:29
Speaker 1: or whatever. Needless to say, the judge has granted Maxwell
40:35
Speaker 1: permission to call on her who specializes in how memories
40:38
Speaker 1: can become distorted over time. So wouldn't that work both ways?
40:44
Speaker 1: Maybe her memory has become distorted over time and she's
40:46
Speaker 1: forgotten that she's abused these kids. Maybe she's forgotten. So
40:51
Speaker 1: I wonder if when she's being cross-examined, if the prosecutors
40:55
Speaker 1: are going to ask the psychologist that. So, Dr. Loftus,
41:01
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be safe to say that if you're insinuating
41:04
Speaker 1: that the defendant, excuse me, that the accuser's memories could
41:08
Speaker 1: be false? Wouldn't it be safe to say, and this
41:11
Speaker 1: isn't much of a leap considering her age, that Maxwell's
41:15
Speaker 1: memories may be false as well? Uh-huh. So, again, I
41:22
Speaker 1: don't really put any stock in stuff like this. They
41:25
Speaker 1: could add a little bit of context, perhaps, but in
41:28
Speaker 1: the long run, I'm going to look at it as quackery. Sorry. Loftus,
41:34
Speaker 1: a professor at the University of California, Irvine, has testified
41:38
Speaker 1: at hundreds of trials, including as defense witness in real
41:42
Speaker 1: estate heir Robert Durst's murder trial and former movie producer
41:46
Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein's trial on rape and sexual assault charges. Both
41:50
Speaker 1: were convicted. Again, I'm not the only one. When you're
41:54
Speaker 1: talking about the jury, right, you're not talking about esteemed
41:58
Speaker 1: members of upper class society. For the most part, they're
42:01
Speaker 1: regular people. And they hear about these false memory experts
42:05
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, shit, quackery. This is BS. Can
42:08
Speaker 1: I see some real evidence, please? And that's obviously panned
42:11
Speaker 1: out in these other trials. You're calling on, you know,
42:15
Speaker 1: Durst and Harvey Weinstein. Both dudes got convicted. Your witness
42:18
Speaker 1: here doesn't have a great track record. And to me,
42:20
Speaker 1: it looks like scraping the bottom of the barrel because
42:23
Speaker 1: once again, the truth is not on their client's side.
42:27
Speaker 1: So when the truth is not on your side, you
42:29
Speaker 1: have to sprinkle evidence. a little bit of truth maybe,
42:32
Speaker 1: but with a whole bunch of BS. And that's what
42:35
Speaker 1: it is here, in my opinion. More obfuscation and more nonsense.
42:42
Speaker 1: The prosecutors had asked Judge Nathan to restrict the testimony
42:45
Speaker 1: saying that some of her opinions were unreliable. Yeah, yeah,
42:48
Speaker 1: that's fair. In particular, they cited her opinion that information
42:52
Speaker 1: people hear about an event can alter their memories of
42:55
Speaker 1: that event. What does that even mean? I mean... I
43:00
Speaker 1: guess maybe in some instances, but you're not going to
43:05
Speaker 1: gaslight me into telling me something's real when I've seen differently.
43:09
Speaker 1: So the science really just doesn't stand up for me.
43:13
Speaker 1: And if I was a juror and this person got
43:16
Speaker 1: up there, I would not be taking as much stock
43:19
Speaker 1: in it as I would hearing firsthand account from somebody
43:23
Speaker 1: who was abused or somebody witnessing the abuse. See what
43:26
Speaker 1: I mean here? There's too much gray area for me
43:28
Speaker 1: when it comes to this kind of science. Nathan said
43:34
Speaker 1: she would admit some of the testimony from Loftus and
43:37
Speaker 1: Park Dietz, another psychologist the defense has offered as an expert,
43:42
Speaker 1: without saying which testimony was admissible. Dietz, he's expected to
43:47
Speaker 1: rebut the testimony of Lisa Rocchio, a psychologist expected to
43:53
Speaker 1: discuss how underage sexual abuse victims are groomed by their predators.
43:58
Speaker 1: So you see how that works, right? They bring up
44:00
Speaker 1: one specialist, then the other side counters it. And it
44:04
Speaker 1: comes down to which specialist seems more reliable to the jurors.
44:08
Speaker 1: And really, all this other stuff we're talking about is BS, right?
44:12
Speaker 1: When it comes down to it. All that matters is
44:14
Speaker 1: what that jury thinks. So when Maxwell's team talks about, oh,
44:17
Speaker 1: there's so much information out there about... It doesn't matter, okay?
44:22
Speaker 1: The jurors are going to sit in that box and
44:24
Speaker 1: they're going to look at all of the evidence. And
44:26
Speaker 1: they're going to make a decision. So that's really what
44:29
Speaker 1: it all comes down to. And when people say, oh,
44:31
Speaker 1: the jury pool is going to be tainted. I just,
44:34
Speaker 1: I always shake my head and say to myself, come on, man, really?
44:37
Speaker 1: People really believe that kind of stuff? The jury pool
44:40
Speaker 1: is not going to be tainted because people are interested
44:42
Speaker 1: in the story. That's why they have the jury selection process.
44:47
Speaker 1: So it's just a ridiculous argument. And I just never
44:51
Speaker 1: thought that it was a solid argument. Especially not in
44:55
Speaker 1: this case. The next article we're going to discuss is
45:00
Speaker 1: from Vanity Fair. And the headline of this one is,
45:03
Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell's trial opens a new chapter in the heinous
45:06
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein saga. And this article, the author, Gabriel Sherman,
45:14
Speaker 1: who has done a pretty good job covering this Epstein case,
45:17
Speaker 1: by the way, just he's talking about how we're not
45:21
Speaker 1: really going to get the bombshells that people think they're
45:26
Speaker 1: going to get in this case, right? When it comes
45:29
Speaker 1: to like the money aspect of it, He has a
45:35
Speaker 1: paragraph here where he says, they're not chasing Epstein's money.
45:38
Speaker 1: If that's what you want answered, you will be very disappointed,
45:41
Speaker 1: said a person close to the case who spoke on
45:43
Speaker 1: a condition of anonymity because Judge Allison Nathan has ordered
45:48
Speaker 1: all parties to refrain from speaking to the media. And
45:51
Speaker 1: that really is the one thing I wanted to talk
45:54
Speaker 1: about in this article. And it's the truth. If they
45:59
Speaker 1: really wanted to go after everybody who was involved with
46:01
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, this would have been a RICO case. And
46:05
Speaker 1: it has been one of my biggest problems with this
46:08
Speaker 1: whole entire thing throughout. I have seen RICO cases in
46:12
Speaker 1: my own life, unflapped and unfolded onto people I love
46:16
Speaker 1: for crimes much less than this. And I have seen
46:19
Speaker 1: their lives absolutely ruined. But when we talk about Ghislaine Maxwell,
46:26
Speaker 1: we talk about Jeffrey Epstein... How is it that Ghislaine
46:30
Speaker 1: Maxwell is not facing the same kind of sex trafficking
46:33
Speaker 1: charges as R. Kelly or Keith Ranieri? No Mann Act?
46:38
Speaker 1: No RICO? And don't get me wrong, it's nice that
46:43
Speaker 1: she's facing some charges, but if they thought that that
46:45
Speaker 1: was going to placate us, if they thought that people
46:48
Speaker 1: were going to stop calling for justice, stop calling for
46:51
Speaker 1: accountability in this case, they were severely mistaken. What happened
46:58
Speaker 1: here was a grave injustice, folks. And it goes all
47:03
Speaker 1: the way up the ladder, all the way up to
47:06
Speaker 1: the top of the Justice Department. And later on, tonight
47:11
Speaker 1: or tomorrow, we're going to get into some of that
47:14
Speaker 1: as well. We're going to talk about some of the
47:16
Speaker 1: people at the Justice Department who are responsible for giving
47:21
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein this first non-prosecution agreement originally. I know Acosta
47:27
Speaker 1: gets a lot of the blame for that and he
47:29
Speaker 1: should shoulder his fair share. But it goes much further
47:33
Speaker 1: than that. This is a gigantic bureaucracy we're talking about.
47:39
Speaker 1: And things like that do not happen in a vacuum.
47:42
Speaker 1: Acosta does not have that kind of power or that
47:45
Speaker 1: kind of influence. So we're going to discuss some of
47:48
Speaker 1: the people, his bosses, who did have that power and
47:53
Speaker 1: who did have that influence. So that's, what's on the
47:58
Speaker 1: agenda coming up in the next day or two, as
48:00
Speaker 1: well as, you know, all the other various stuff that's
48:02
Speaker 1: going on, the other episodes being uploaded, et cetera, et cetera.
48:06
Speaker 1: So we're a week out folks. It's almost time for
48:09
Speaker 1: this trial. Uh, next Sunday will be the first live
48:14
Speaker 1: stream for the Maxwell trial for me to get things
48:18
Speaker 1: kicked off before the, uh, The actual trial starts on Monday,
48:22
Speaker 1: and then what we're going to do is probably rock
48:25
Speaker 1: with two or three, maybe four live streams a week,
48:29
Speaker 1: plus the updates. And we're going to continue that pattern
48:32
Speaker 1: and that pace until this trial is over. So we'll
48:36
Speaker 1: be here for it, and I hope that the rest
48:38
Speaker 1: of you are as well. If you'd like to contact me,
48:41
Speaker 1: you can do that at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I
48:49
Speaker 1: at protonmail.com. You can also find me on Twitter at
48:54
Speaker 1: B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The links that we discussed can be
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Speaker 1: found in the description box. All right, folks, hope you
49:03
Speaker 1: all have a great night.