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- 0:00Brake Fix's History of Motorsports series is brought to you in part
- 0:04by the International Motor Racing Research Center, as well as the
- 0:07Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of
- 0:11Commerce, and the Argettsinger family.
- 0:16Lucy O'Reilly Schell, innovator of French motorsports.
- 0:20Lauren Goodman has received her MFA in screenwriting from the College of Motion
- 0:25Pictures Arts at Florida State University.
- 0:27While volunteering at the Revs Institute in Naples, Florida, she encountered
- 0:31one of two Maseratis entered by Lucy Schell in the 1940 Indy 500.
- 0:36Ms.
- 0:36Goodman's research into Lucy's time in France as team owner and principal has
- 0:40been presented at the Revs Institute.
- 0:42Her writing draws heavily on history and the lives of women whose
- 0:46achievements have been overlooked.
- 0:47Presently, she is developing Lucy's story into a feature length project.
- 0:51Ms.
- 0:51Goodman's presentation will highlight Lucy's role in motor racing and
- 0:55her contributions to the sport.
- 0:57All right, folks.
- 0:59Next up is Lauren Goodman from Lucy Riley Schill.
- 1:04Well, good afternoon, everyone.
- 1:05I'm so pleased to see so many faces here and online.
- 1:09Hello out there in TV land.
- 1:12So, a brief background about me, in case we haven't met before.
- 1:17My name's Lauren Goodman and my background is not history, but in
- 1:20creative writing and filmmaking.
- 1:22My first love is storytelling.
- 1:25But during the pandemic, like a lot of us, I developed a new
- 1:28interest and specifically in cars that go really, really fast.
- 1:33And I started volunteering at the REVS Institute down in Naples, Florida.
- 1:38But it was while I was there, I encountered this beautiful
- 1:428 cylinder Maserati that was entered in the 1940 Indy 500.
- 1:47Now, you can see on this car, the French flag, the American flag.
- 1:52And then very curiously, this name painted on the side, the L O R Shell Special.
- 1:59And when I learned that the L there stands for Lucy, I had to know more.
- 2:04And it became kind of a passion for me, and I'm looking forward
- 2:08to sharing her story with you.
- 2:11Today's presentation, I'm going to give you a brief overview of
- 2:14her life and accomplishments.
- 2:16She was an established rally driver in her own right, but her real
- 2:20legacy was putting a little car company named Delahaye on the map.
- 2:26In talking about Lucy's work, we're also going to touch on her portrayal in
- 2:29the media at the time, and then later how she got ignored in some secondary
- 2:33sources about the history of motorsport.
- 2:36And finally, I'll sum up just a few little thoughts about her identity.
- 2:40Lucie Marie Jean O'Reilly was born in Paris, October 1896.
- 2:45Her father, Francis, was an American businessman, whose own father had
- 2:50emigrated from Ireland, and the O'Reilly money came from building the railroads
- 2:54that were the lifeblood of the Gilded Age.
- 2:57Francis was already in his late 40s when he decided to settle down in
- 3:00Paris with a young French widow, and when he died in 1937, he left
- 3:05Lucie her own personal fortune.
- 3:08Now, Frances frequently traveled between Paris and Pennsylvania to
- 3:12attend business, but Lucy was 18 before she made her first trip to the U.
- 3:17S., where, in fact, in Reading, her arrival was news in the town paper.
- 3:22And you can see here, she's bringing news to the people of the town
- 3:25about her work as a nurse at the military hospital in Val de Grasse.
- 3:29in Paris.
- 3:30Really, when she was a teenager, she saw young men returning from
- 3:34the front, suffering and sometimes dying from the wounds they received.
- 3:38And later in life, Lucy would again find herself locked in
- 3:42a battle with the Germans.
- 3:43Another important character in the story is her husband, Laurie, whom
- 3:47she met around 1912, and they were married outside of Paris in 1917.
- 3:52Selim Lawrence Schell, who was known always as Laurie, was born in
- 3:56Geneva to an American businessman.
- 3:58And a family connection gave them first employment at Butter Rossi.
- 4:03Some of you classic car lovers may know the name Butter Rossi.
- 4:06In addition to war goods, they also constructed a few cars of
- 4:09their own, which were terrible.
- 4:11But he ended up also working for some coachworks around Paris.
- 4:15And he would provide a lot of the coachwork for Lucy's cars during her life.
- 4:19Here are the shells.
- 4:20They were a study in contrast.
- 4:22Lucy was gregarious, assertive, Laurie was soft spoken and diplomatic, but
- 4:28their egalitarian marriage made them a powerful team both on and off the track.
- 4:32Lucy and Laurie ran the Monte Carlo Rally together numerous times, sharing both
- 4:37navigational and driving responsibilities.
- 4:39And here, they actually had a reporter come along with them one year, and he
- 4:43wrote a wonderful series of articles about his adventure with the shells.
- 4:46As Rene Dreyfus, who became very close to the couple later in life, wrote in
- 4:50his autobiography, there was no question but that she was absolutely an equal
- 4:55partner to Laurie in their marriage.
- 4:57There was no subservience, no unswerving obeisance, no pipe and slippers.
- 5:02Indeed, she was the driving force of the family.
- 5:06Lucy and Laurie had two sons, Harry and Philip.
- 5:09Harry seems to have inherited the racing gene from both sides of the family.
- 5:12And the Shell family resided both outside of Paris, at Brnoy, and in Monaco.
- 5:17Lucy was already a mother and wife when she began to race seriously.
- 5:22Her first race results show up in the French press in 1927, which would
- 5:26have made her about 31 years old.
- 5:28Auto journalist Maurice Philippe called her a decisive driver.
- 5:32And we can see she liked serious cars, serious French cars.
- 5:37That Talbot would have been branded as a Durac if sold in Britain.
- 5:41At her very first hill climb in 1928, Lucy came first in her class.
- 5:45The reporter was surprised to see a woman that entered the race, but he
- 5:48said, if this little lady keeps at it, she's gonna see some good results.
- 5:52Good results she did indeed have.
- 5:54Here's just a selection of things I was able to pull from papers at the time.
- 5:59Now, Lucy's specialty And the Monte Carlo was her white whale.
- 6:04Lucy, with Laurie as co driver, placed as high as P2 overall at the
- 6:091936 rally and lost out to a couple of Romanians in the strip down
- 6:14Ford by mere fractions of a point.
- 6:16It was her search for the right mix of performance, power, and
- 6:20reliability that led her to call on the factory offices at Delahaye.
- 6:25At this point in time, Delahaye was a stuffy firm with a background in
- 6:29long wearing, sturdy truck engines.
- 6:31The general director of Delahaye's factory, Charles Weissenbach, Known
- 6:35to everyone always as Monsieur Charles had grand plans to lead
- 6:38this company into a new era.
- 6:40Key to this plan were his engineer Jean Francois and a plan to break
- 6:44into the market for high end, high performance sports cars.
- 6:47Delahaye unveiled two new Superlux models at the 1933 Perry Auto Salon.
- 6:53The 12 Cheveau and the 18 Cheveau.
- 6:56These two Superlux models were really just older models with updated suspension.
- 7:01But the stir in the press was enough that it caught Lucy's attention.
- 7:04She appeared with Laurie in tow at the offices of Monsieur
- 7:08Charles to order a special.
- 7:09She wanted the bigger engine of the 18 Cheveau put into the
- 7:13smaller chassis of the 12 Cheveau.
- 7:15Mr.
- 7:16Charles said, no, no, no, it's not possible.
- 7:18The reason he said it wasn't possible, it was because his engineer, Jean
- 7:22Francois, was trying to figure out how to, uh, do just that, so Delahaye
- 7:26could start its own factory works team.
- 7:29However, I will point out here that, when Mr.
- 7:32Charles went to test his factory works team specials, Lucy still managed to
- 7:37outperform them in her regular car.
- 7:40So he decided, you know what, maybe she is, after all, the best
- 7:43owner for one of my specials.
- 7:45You'll also note here that Delahaye wanted to further prove the merit of
- 7:50their new cars by showcasing one of their specials in a few world record attempts.
- 7:55They were actually able to set a few world records at Mallory, one for the 10,
- 7:59000 kilometers and one for the 48 hours.
- 8:02It was going really, really well, beating records previously held by Renault.
- 8:06And this was enough buzz.
- 8:08That before Jean Francois could finish constructing Delahaye's
- 8:12first real sports car, the 135, Lucie had already ordered six.
- 8:17And she called on six of her wealthiest friends to order some as well.
- 8:21And that ready cash enabled Delahaye to build a works team.
- 8:25So by way of thanks, they built Lucie a compétition spéciale of the
- 8:30135, the 135 CS, which would become one of the most important race
- 8:35cars ever to come out of France.
- 8:37Lucy was a determined, gregarious, and well connected person.
- 8:40She was already becoming a team owner in all but name.
- 8:44So for this little fleet of 135 CSs, she decided it was going to be her
- 8:48own team, which she dubbed Blue Buzz.
- 8:50And it premiered at the 1936 Paris Nice rally.
- 8:54Writer Neil Bascom, in his fabulous book, Faster, asserts that her dismal
- 8:58performance during the hill climb portion of the Paris Nice gave Lucy pause about
- 9:03her own driving career, and inspired her to focus solely on team management.
- 9:07She recruited René Dreyfus as lead driver.
- 9:10And René is one of the great talents ever to come out of France.
- 9:13Dreyfus had a proven track record as a Grand Prix winner, having
- 9:17driven for Bugatti and Maserati.
- 9:19and even having an offer from Ferrari.
- 9:21But then, Mussolini decided he didn't want a Frenchman in his Italian car.
- 9:27And the only other serious team in Grand Prix racing at that time were the Germans.
- 9:31And the Germans didn't want a Jewish guy in their car.
- 9:35But Lucy surprised Rene and said, Hello, how would you like to join me?
- 9:40It's going to be totally professional.
- 9:41Don't worry.
- 9:42And Rene has a wonderful observation about this meeting, how she just kind of would
- 9:46ensorcel people and get them on her side.
- 9:49So, I'll say at this point a note about the Delhaix.
- 9:52Really, even though the 135 was a sports car, it was essentially
- 9:56using a modified truck engine.
- 9:58And this might have been laughable, except it gave the car incredible reliability.
- 10:04Jean Francois just focused on, listen, I'm going to make the car
- 10:07as light as possible to increase the torque and take it from there.
- 10:11You'll see here, I have some results for the 135 CS.
- 10:15You'll note that it's both under the team name Blue Buzz, and sometimes it was run
- 10:20under her later team name, A'Kiri Bleu.
- 10:22But in rallies, and in speed races, and in endurance races,
- 10:27this car was really marvelous.
- 10:30That was going well, but the outlook for French victory and the grandes épreuves
- 10:35of the European calendar was grim indeed.
- 10:38Of the Championship Grand Prix run in 1936, No French
- 10:42car finished in the top five.
- 10:44For a country that had once produced Delage and more,
- 10:48this was hugely embarrassing.
- 10:50The anxiety that the Germans felt about national pride
- 10:54also was happening in France.
- 10:55The ACF, which was the governing body for motorsport in France, and the French
- 11:00press got together and made a plan.
- 11:03They enlisted the government's help to raise money for the cause
- 11:06of French glory on the track.
- 11:08A tax on every new driver's license went into the Fonds de Course.
- 11:12A new Grand Prix formula was set to begin in 1937, and the ACF was
- 11:16giving French automakers an incentive to create a costly new race car.
- 11:20A prize of one million francs.
- 11:22to the constructor who could post the fastest time on the track at Montgomery.
- 11:26At this point, I want to point out, Delahaye had already closed
- 11:29down its factory works team.
- 11:30There were a couple bad wrecks at the Grand Prix de Marne, and Monsieur
- 11:34Charle kind of lost his stomach for it.
- 11:35But after the announcement of the million franc prize, Lucie paid another visit
- 11:39to the offices of Monsieur Charle.
- 11:41She had decided to create her own Grand Prix team, and she would
- 11:45pay Delahaye to build her a car for the million franc contest.
- 11:49Jean Francois busied himself building a brand new car with a brand new engine from
- 11:54the ground up, when Lucy busied herself running the 135 CS in various events.
- 12:00And finally, when this new Delahaye was ready to test and was unveiled,
- 12:03they kept it a quiet affair.
- 12:05Per Peter Stevenson, the car was ugly, but boy, could it go.
- 12:10It only took Dreyfus a few laps to decide this ugly car was instead truly beautiful.
- 12:15And in it, he managed to drive it and outperform Bugatti to
- 12:19win the million franc prize.
- 12:21With this creation of this new Grand Prix car, the 145, as well as all the
- 12:25victories already under Lucie's belt with the 135 CS, Delahaye was celebrated as
- 12:30the return of French glory to the track.
- 12:32And here you can see Monsieur Charles giving René Dreyfus a big kiss, and later
- 12:36being made an officer in the Legion of Honor in recognition for those efforts.
- 12:40But the big test was yet to come.
- 12:43You see, adoption of the new formula for the Grand Prix was pushed back
- 12:46to 38, and Delahaye still had to prove itself against German teams.
- 12:51At the 1938 season opener at Poe, it was the little David of Delahaye,
- 12:57with its Jewish driver and American money, against the Goliath of Mercedes,
- 13:02with lots of money from Hitler.
- 13:03I can only imagine how René Dreyfus felt when he crossed that line in first place.
- 13:08He then went on to win at Cork, and this would be a pinnacle for this
- 13:13new Grand Prix team, Le Carible.
- 13:15Now, if you're wondering where Lucie was at Pau, she wasn't.
- 13:18At that time, Major Concours and the Nice Salon were happening on the Côte d'Azur.
- 13:23Sources report that at least four of the V12 engines went into
- 13:26touring cars, carrossé by the likes of Fagoni and Charpent.
- 13:30Car manufacturing is a business, after all.
- 13:33Lucie's wins, both on the track and at the Concours, show that Delahaye is
- 13:37at the peak of performance and style.
- 13:39And here she is, modeling her winning cars, along with her English bulldog.
- 13:44Who was also award winning.
- 13:45These Grand Prix victories, as well as other finishes with the 145 equipped as
- 13:49a sports car, eventually made Dreyfus the champion of France for 1938.
- 13:54Unfortunately, Mercedes and Auto Union dominated from mid season on, and the
- 13:59ACF decided, well, we need another distribution from the Fond du Cours.
- 14:03To jumpstart more innovation.
- 14:05They decided this time to award the funds to the constructor showing the
- 14:08most promising plans for a future car.
- 14:10They ended up awarding those funds to Talbot Lago.
- 14:13To say that Lucie was enraged would be an understatement.
- 14:17In protest, Lucie withdrew her team, the Curie Bleue, from the French Grand
- 14:21Prix as it was hosted by the ACF.
- 14:23This caused an uproar in the papers.
- 14:26Without Delahaye, surely the deck is stacked against French
- 14:29constructors at our home race.
- 14:31The sentiments were roughly, how could this lady do this to us?
- 14:35How fickle is the press, lauding her just a few months earlier as a hero for France?
- 14:40Now, the ACF then tried to strong arm Lucy and Le Curie Bleu back into the
- 14:45Grand Prix by stipulating that withdrawal would also mean they were disqualified
- 14:50from the Constructors Championship.
- 14:51Lucy wrote an open letter to them in the press, and what's truly incredible
- 14:56here is we have her own words about her ownership and leadership of the team.
- 15:01She is the interested party.
- 15:03She makes the decisions.
- 15:05It's her call.
- 15:06Now Lucy eventually changed her team name to Le Curie Lucy O'Reilly Shell.
- 15:11She was clearly irritated with the ACF and wanted to remind them who exactly
- 15:15had made those victories happen.
- 15:171939 was a tough year for her.
- 15:19The next iteration of the Delahaye car, the 155, never fully materialized.
- 15:24And in 1939, Lucy had to run the previous season's 145s against a
- 15:29Mercedes with an updated engine.
- 15:31By the time the team arrived in Switzerland for the Grand Prix, Lucy
- 15:35switched her team to Maserati's.
- 15:37I think it's very telling she didn't choose another French mark.
- 15:41At home, tragedy struck, Laurie was killed in a car accident
- 15:44that also badly injured Lucy.
- 15:46Rene Dreyfus stood by her sons at the funeral because she was still
- 15:49in hospital during Laurie's funeral.
- 15:51And then he had packed up and reported back to base, because
- 15:53after all, France was at war.
- 15:55But it didn't keep her down long.
- 15:56Within a month, she contacted Dreyfus because she had a new plan.
- 15:59She was going to send a French team to compete in the Indianapolis
- 16:03500, bringing more attention to the French cause, to the isolationist U.
- 16:07S.
- 16:08Now, I'm going to use this moment to plug for the REVS Institute down in Florida.
- 16:12Not only is the collection incredible, but we have an app and a website with
- 16:16lots of stories and pictures and videos.
- 16:19So if you want to know what happened to her team at the Indy
- 16:21500, I'm afraid you're going to have to go to REVS Institute.
- 16:26Now, Lucy wasn't well enough to make the Atlantic Crossing by the time it
- 16:30happened, but that's perhaps fortunate, because no women were allowed in the pits.
- 16:34Dreyfus later recalled how his teammate's timekeeper, who also happened to be
- 16:38his wife, was built a special tower so she might watch the driver without
- 16:42setting foot in the forbidden zone.
- 16:44That wouldn't have been good enough for Madame Shell, Rene later wrote.
- 16:48She would have been picketing Gasoline Alley.
- 16:50As Icarus Shell battled rain on the speedway, Paris.
- 16:55After the 500, Lucy instructed the team to sell the Maseratis and she
- 16:59herself decamped her home in Monaco.
- 17:01She did not return to motorsports after the war, at least not officially.
- 17:05By 1947, her son Harry was making a name for himself on the
- 17:09European sports car circuits.
- 17:11Harry would go on to be the first American in the newly organized
- 17:14Formula One championship.
- 17:16He later would enter cars sometimes under the name Le Kiriblo, keeping
- 17:20his mom's team alive in motor racing.
- 17:23Looking at that Maserati she sent to Indy, which was an Italian car with
- 17:26Franco American livery and her Irish name on the side, you might wonder
- 17:31how Lucy felt about her nationality.
- 17:33And any contemporary would have been forgiven for thinking the Shells were
- 17:36French nationals, speaking fluently.
- 17:38Yet the Shells and their sons considered themselves American Indians.
- 17:41through and through.
- 17:43They are listed as American in every race entry and result.
- 17:47And here we even have her own quote.
- 17:49I'm an American, I love automobiles, and I love France.
- 17:52And I'd wanted to contribute to the rise of French prestige.
- 17:56I think also briefly interesting was I saw how Lucy really intended that the O'Reilly
- 18:01name, her name, would be carried on.
- 18:03On his birth record at the U.
- 18:04S.
- 18:04consulate, Harry's last name is capitalized as O'Reilly Shell.
- 18:08And Harry himself often used O'Reilly and was listed under O alphabetically.
- 18:14And, uh, that's his draft card.
- 18:15It kind of reminds me of his delivery on his mom's car.
- 18:18And in fact, during Lucy and Laurie's lifetime, the International Herald
- 18:22Tribune referred to them as Mr.
- 18:24and Mrs.
- 18:24O'Reilly Shell.
- 18:25When, of course, Laurie was not an O'Reilly.
- 18:28I thought that was pretty interesting.
- 18:30I know we didn't get a chance to go too in depth, but I just want to
- 18:32thank you so much for having me here today and I just hope I've piqued your
- 18:36interest about Lucy and her life and believe me there's a lot more there
- 18:39to discover and I hope I've left, yes, time for any questions if there are any.
- 18:50I read the book faster.
- 18:52Uh huh.
- 18:52And fascinating book, everyone should read it.
- 18:54I thought I knew a lot about that period of erasing, but never heard
- 18:57of Lucio O'Neill Schell until I read the book, and then you also expounded
- 19:01on some of her other accomplishments that the book didn't mention.
- 19:04Other women got their due during that time period.
- 19:07Do you have any theories why Historians have pretty much forgotten about her.
- 19:11I think it's interesting.
- 19:12I elided a little bit for time some of the mentions of her in the press.
- 19:18In a press clipping that I had up, and I can bring up again, basically the
- 19:21reporter mentioned everything about the creation of her new Grand Prix
- 19:25team and talked to everyone, Monsieur Charles, René Dreyfus, and her husband,
- 19:30and never actually mentioned her.
- 19:32Even when in the article.
- 19:34Monsieur Charles said, this team isn't mine.
- 19:37The woman, the madame, she created it.
- 19:39And the reporter still never bothered to talk to her.
- 19:41I found, too, later that in some secondary sources, they might
- 19:45mention Laurie as being running the team, when that just wasn't true
- 19:49from the primary sources we have.
- 19:51It was kind of incredible to me, and I couldn't, honestly,
- 19:53I can't make sense of it.
- 19:55Because to me, it's like trying to tell the history of Mercedes F1.
- 19:58and not mentioning Total Wolf.
- 20:00It's like trying to talk about Red Bull Racing and making only
- 20:03a passing reference to a Mr.
- 20:05Ginger Spice, is how I feel about that.
- 20:07So, I think there was some intentional and I think also sometimes people
- 20:10just received common wisdom.
- 20:13How much do you think Lucy's family fortune played a role
- 20:17in her life in motorsports?
- 20:19It was everything.
- 20:20It was everything.
- 20:21Do you think she would have had the same role in motor sports without it?
- 20:25No.
- 20:26Or any?
- 20:27Not any.
- 20:28Why?
- 20:28Because money created access.
- 20:30Women didn't have access.
- 20:32Now, there were a lot of women driving at that time.
- 20:34Women ownership, it really was her money creating it.
- 20:36I think she inherited about, in that day's money, about 9
- 20:40million bucks when her dad died.
- 20:41And that's in, you know, 1930's money.
- 20:43So you can only imagine maybe 150 million today.
- 20:46that she had to spend.
- 20:47I was just wondering, that car, the Indy car, that's in the museum?
- 20:51Yeah, it's there at REVS.
- 20:52Was it damaged, the museum, from the hurricane?
- 20:55Oh no, everything at REVS is great.
- 20:57So, please come on down.
- 20:58In fact, they're having a conference there next weekend.
- 21:01Yep, yep.
- 21:02Just a couple of statements.
- 21:03I believe that she sold the two cars to Lou Moore after the The
- 21:08race at Indy, is that correct?
- 21:10Harry, her son, was killed practicing at Grand Prix in 1955?
- 21:15He was.
- 21:15He was driving for, I believe it was, uh, the Yeoman Credit Union.
- 21:18It was Sterling Moss outfit, yes, during pre practice.
- 21:21Now, when she got Dreyfus out of, uh, He was already in the French Army
- 21:26and I understand that they let him go because he was going to Indianapolis.
- 21:31How much of that was a plan to get a Jewish driver out of France
- 21:36before the Germans caught him?
- 21:38That's a really interesting question.
- 21:40And it's something I haven't found yet, but it doesn't
- 21:43mean the answer is not there.
- 21:44There's in fact stacks of her letters that just have never been digitized.
- 21:48We know for sure that, Dreyfus himself says, My friends told
- 21:52me not to come back after Indy.
- 21:54He didn't say which friends though.
- 21:56She was a confirmed anti fascist at the point that there were certain
- 22:00French who were pro fascists.
- 22:02Yeah, absolutely.
- 22:03I love so much the little news clipping about her work as a nurse and talking
- 22:07about the French battle against the Germans and really the arrival of
- 22:11the French drivers for the Indy 500 was a media spectacle and Dreyfus
- 22:15actually gave out, signed headshots of him in his military uniform.
- 22:18So it really was.
- 22:20Sort of the, there was public pressure against the Minister of Information to
- 22:24release these two drivers, René Dreyfus and the other man I didn't mention,
- 22:27René Lebesgue, as sort of promotion for France and for the French war effort.
- 22:31And it was important.
- 22:33Thank you.
- 22:33First, thanks for filling in this blank.
- 22:35And my personal knowledge about who Harry Shell was, where he came from.
- 22:39Yeah.
- 22:40I always wondered about that.
- 22:41I was just picking up the last comments.
- 22:43You didn't mention that Rennie Griffiths, when he ended up here in the USA It
- 22:47became well known in the fifties for his restaurant, La Chante Claire in New York.
- 22:54I had the privilege of dining there once.
- 22:56Yeah.
- 22:56His autobiography is honestly, it's terrific.
- 22:59I highly recommend it.
- 23:00So when are you making a movie of the story?
- 23:03This is what I'm hoping.
- 23:04I'm hoping.
- 23:05The more people get excited about it, the more there's a
- 23:07groundswell, and I think there's a real hunger for stories like this.
- 23:12To me, one of the things I learned when I learned about Lucy is, yeah, she was
- 23:16rather unique in terms of being a team owner and principal of a Grand Prix team.
- 23:21But in terms of being a driver, every time I went to the French papers to look for
- 23:25results, any time a woman was allowed to race, there are madames and mademoiselles
- 23:29scattered through the results.
- 23:31They're all there.
- 23:32And, um, I, I had no idea.
- 23:35Just another comment.
- 23:36When Wilbur Shaw persuaded his car owner to buy the HCTF the year before, Cotton
- 23:43Hennings, their mechanic, changed the firing order on that car to smooth it out.
- 23:50And it was more successful in Indianapolis, to say the least.
- 23:55Now the car that it revs now belonged to Dean Butler at one
- 23:58time, and he got his restorer.
- 24:02to change the firing order also, and I was at Milwaukee when Emil
- 24:07Andrews, who I believe came in second in that car at Indianapolis, drove
- 24:12it again, and he came in and said how great it was if it had been that
- 24:15good, and indeed it won the race.
- 24:18That's amazing.
- 24:19That's amazing.
- 24:20I want to say too, not only did Lucy get Rene Dreyfus into America out
- 24:24of France, but also Luigi Canetti.
- 24:26Who is the reserve driver on that team?
- 24:28And he stayed in America, of course, founded North American Racing Team.
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