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Patriots Unfiltered 2/17: Leadership, Combine/Draft Prep, Free Agent Watch · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The World's a Pigeon Podcasts Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: Tuesday morning, I walk into the office, Induces already, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we got it.
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  Speaker 2: What's your draft breakdown? This?
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  Speaker 4: That?
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  Speaker 2: The other thing.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, Mike, we just got back from the
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  Speaker 5: super Bowl that yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: No, turn the page. You got a poll?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, how BIG's your pole?
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  Speaker 7: I've been to so many season take a lot of
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  Speaker 7: pictures because it's it's all going to be a blur,
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  Speaker 7: and so I tried to do that day after day
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  Speaker 7: with that everything.
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  Speaker 8: Fred's anti pictures.
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  Speaker 2: If you're at something cool like the super Bowl or
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  Speaker 2: you know, Italy or whatever. What I don't like is
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  Speaker 2: taking pictures of yourself at these places, like what's the point?
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  Speaker 3: And then they get their butts kicked in the super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl by a really good Seattle defensive front, and now
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  Speaker 3: all five of them need to go.
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  Speaker 9: And it's just you can do that stuff on your time.
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  Speaker 9: I'll get into the Shirley Temple.
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  Speaker 2: Does he need to be a little bit more of
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  Speaker 2: the checkdown?
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  Speaker 6: Charlie at times when the times strike about Yeah, if.
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  Speaker 3: They had checkdowns for him from the ball, Okay, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't mean to trigger you.
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  Speaker 1: I was dancing a little too hard.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad. I'm glad you had a good This is
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  Speaker 6: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: It is Tuesday here at Jiles Stadium. We're in the
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  Speaker 2: throes of the off season still, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 2: talking about the Super Bowl in the aftermath, and you
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  Speaker 2: know what that means in the grand scheme of things.
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  Speaker 6: So we'll do that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about free agency. I see Paul came with
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  Speaker 2: a big list of all the available fas and UFAs
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  Speaker 2: and alphabetical.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we can get into that team and position.
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  Speaker 1: Pauls rankings, he puts the out every year, his top.
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  Speaker 2: It's just maybe a little bit of draft. Although warning,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't started my deep dive yet, have you did.
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  Speaker 1: I did that in the last couple of days. Actually
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  Speaker 1: ends and edges.
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  Speaker 2: Evan's heaven never stopped diving, so he did. He's been
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  Speaker 2: in full draft speedo for the last.
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  Speaker 9: Couple of months on safety and Toledo who doesn't have
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  Speaker 9: good eyes, just.
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  Speaker 3: Like read option and he's just looking the wrong place,
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  Speaker 3: and like, where are you going?
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  Speaker 8: Seriously?
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  Speaker 2: I walk in.
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  Speaker 9: I walked in the bullpen today, Freddy, and he's got
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  Speaker 9: a Toledo game on, and I go, jesus, if we're into.
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  Speaker 6: Match the MUDs mud Hens.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I believe so.
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  Speaker 3: But they they have a first round safety that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people like. And Quin Mitchell went to Toledo too,
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  Speaker 3: so it's.
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  Speaker 2: Not like they never know every every team every once
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  Speaker 2: in a while, you know, I was just you know,
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  Speaker 2: I know, I haven't I haven't started either. I'm what's
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  Speaker 2: Reddy Wyoming? Had?
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  Speaker 6: Josh Allen?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, all right, Josh Allen, Yeah, you never know.
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  Speaker 6: It's it's ball, it's me.
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  Speaker 2: It's due since Matt and Alex and the booth and
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  Speaker 2: uh eight five five past five hundred is the way
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  Speaker 2: to call the show. Podcast at Patriots dot com is
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  Speaker 2: the way to email the show. So where do we start?
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  Speaker 2: Where do we start? Do we start with any of
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  Speaker 2: the comments that have been thrown around post Super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that?
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I think that the Terrell Williams zach
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  Speaker 3: Kre thing is probably where.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, at least it's yeah, it's kind of the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: headline wants to.
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  Speaker 6: Throw that out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got to interview somebody.
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  Speaker 7: So they're going to promote Terrell Williams to a high
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  Speaker 7: ranking team officials. I don't know what that position would be,
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  Speaker 7: maybe assist assistant head coach, something like that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Though. We were at the media night and.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, Terrell Williams was standing out there for
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  Speaker 7: you know, a full hour just about and I mean
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  Speaker 7: he fell down. It seemed like it was still asking
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  Speaker 7: him a lot. I mean, everyone was so excited to
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  Speaker 7: be around him and talk to him, and it was
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  Speaker 7: a great moment, and then you were reminded that, you know,
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  Speaker 7: he is still recovering. So it seems like what they
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  Speaker 7: got to do their Rooney rule stuff, They got to
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  Speaker 7: interview external candidates for the defensive coordinator position.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see.
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  Speaker 8: Differing opinions on that, do they do?
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  Speaker 3: You have to interview at least two minority candidates. They
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  Speaker 3: can be virtual. These don't have the only the head
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  Speaker 3: coach interviews have to be in person. These ones could
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  Speaker 3: be virtual. But yes, technically now we can talk about
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  Speaker 3: to me, that makes no sense, Like they have a
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  Speaker 3: guy that.
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  Speaker 2: Just called the defense defense. We called it for.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty weeks of the season, including a run to the
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. He's obviously earned it. And now these minority
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  Speaker 3: candidates are really going to have what are are not
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  Speaker 3: real interviews and they're just being forced to do them,
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  Speaker 3: which I think is kind of crazy. But I guess
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  Speaker 3: they will have an opening at inside linebackers coach, so
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  Speaker 3: this might be so they might be able to use
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  Speaker 3: some of these interviews as a way to get.
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  Speaker 6: To know people. Yeah, and it's good for them for
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  Speaker 6: them to be known.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just say I'm I'm a little disappointed for
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  Speaker 7: Terrell Williams. I mean, this was a huge opportunity for
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  Speaker 7: him this year to finally be named a defensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 7: Has been in the league forever, It's been a defensive
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  Speaker 7: line coach for a while, and I'm sure he was
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  Speaker 7: waiting for this opportunity and he finally gets it and
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  Speaker 7: he gets you know, not only hit with with cancer,
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  Speaker 7: but I mean he's you know, dealing.
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  Speaker 1: With multiple health issues. So but huge opportunity for Zach Core.
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  Speaker 7: These are the kind of things you see happen where
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  Speaker 7: opportunity opens up a guy comes in and you know,
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  Speaker 7: really does a good job, and now I think it's
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  Speaker 7: going to earn I mean.
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  Speaker 2: For Patriots fans, I think it should give you some
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of comfort that, you know, Josh McDaniel's
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  Speaker 2: going to be back, Zach Corer is going to be back,
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  Speaker 2: So there's not going to be any wholesale changes to
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  Speaker 2: the system.
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  Speaker 7: Ashton Grant too, we should mention that because you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: the Raiders were interested in him, so yeah, just continuity
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  Speaker 7: for Drake and to have a second year with Josh.
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  Speaker 7: I'm also interested just to see, you know, now that
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  Speaker 7: they really know Drake inside and out after a season
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  Speaker 7: with him, how does that shape their offseason plan? You know,
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  Speaker 7: we talk about what kind of weapons do they target,
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  Speaker 7: what kind of tight ends, what kind of receivers you know,
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  Speaker 7: go best with Drake with his deep, deep, all accuracy,
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  Speaker 7: his you know, maybe maybe this isn't incorrect, but my
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  Speaker 7: feeling preference of you know, bigger targets that he likes those. So,
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  Speaker 7: you know, how do they continue to not only tweak
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  Speaker 7: the get the playbook, but the roster around Drake.
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  Speaker 1: And building on him. This is the time to do it,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: So There's been a lot of talk, especially on Paul Shows,
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  Speaker 2: about Drake's demeanor during the Super Bowl and how Vrabels
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  Speaker 2: seemed to have to follow him around prop him up
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  Speaker 2: and he.
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  Speaker 6: Was really down.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I kind of agree with some
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  Speaker 2: of the comments I heard on Paul shows.
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  Speaker 6: He needs to he needs to be out there and
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  Speaker 6: be a leader. He can't be the one moping.
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  Speaker 2: He's got to be He's got to be the one
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  Speaker 2: propping everybody else up. Uh, you know, And you hate
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  Speaker 2: to compare anyone to Tom Brady, but Tom Brady never
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  Speaker 2: gave up like he would. He'd be pissed, he'd throw
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  Speaker 2: his helmet. He'd be pissed, but he'd be pissed and
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  Speaker 2: he'd throw his helmet. But he'd be like, we need
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  Speaker 2: to do better. And he wouldn't, you know, be it
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  Speaker 2: with him, you know, in within himself. He'd be out
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  Speaker 2: there talking to the offensive lineman, talking to his receivers,
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  Speaker 2: urging them on. Obviously, there were times where I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I remember regular season games in certain seasons where he
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  Speaker 2: was just sitting on the sideline fuming. But that's something
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  Speaker 2: I think Drake needs to work on. He's young, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he has someone that he talks to,
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  Speaker 2: like a sports psychiatrist or somebody that he can talk
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  Speaker 2: to about things like that, but I wouldn't. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it would hurt.
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  Speaker 7: I kind of agree with you, Fred, I mean, I
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  Speaker 7: you know, it's it seems like a sports talk media point,
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  Speaker 7: but I like you, I kind of agree, and Brady
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  Speaker 7: would get so pissed and you could tell like he
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  Speaker 7: would be disgusted and he'd be walking off the field
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  Speaker 7: and the offense could feel that he was the one
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  Speaker 7: who held the offense accountable.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen all the my up stuff.
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  Speaker 7: I know Morgan Moses I think was also recorded giving
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  Speaker 7: like kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of a pump up speech.
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  Speaker 7: So it's something Rabel has been trying to work with
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  Speaker 7: Drake May all year on being more vocal, being more
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  Speaker 7: in command, and holding guys accountable. You can only hope
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  Speaker 7: all this experience will help point him in that direction.
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  Speaker 7: But I agree he's got to be the guy that
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  Speaker 7: I think he.
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  Speaker 2: Does, and so, you know, I don't want to make
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  Speaker 2: too much of it, but going forward, I think that's
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  Speaker 2: something Rabel will certainly continue hammering away at him, and
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  Speaker 2: I think it needs to start in the spring. The
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  Speaker 2: moment he gets back in the building, I think if
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  Speaker 2: I was Mike Rabel, I'd sit down with Drake May
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  Speaker 2: one on one and say, this is your team. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you're I want people to look to you for the
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  Speaker 2: leadership and make it clear that that's what I expect
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  Speaker 2: from you.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and you've played in a Super Bowl, that you've
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  Speaker 7: gone on the road in the playoffs, you've played in
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  Speaker 7: an NFC Championship. There's you know, not saying he's checked
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  Speaker 7: all the boxes, but he's kind of checked all the
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  Speaker 7: boxes in terms of challenges you can face. So now
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  Speaker 7: you got to start owning it and you got to
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  Speaker 7: start holding the rest of the offense, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Up to a count. Yeah, you got to play up
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  Speaker 1: to that speed too as well.
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  Speaker 7: That's you know, that was the thing we're thinking about
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  Speaker 7: is like, you know during the game where you're like
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  Speaker 7: freaking six nothing like come on, and you're so used
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  Speaker 7: to one play Tom Brady thing where you know you
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  Speaker 7: knew he was going to kick in. But I also
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  Speaker 7: think of the Atlanta super Bowl where they fell down
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  Speaker 7: twenty three, where they were moving the ball right, they
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  Speaker 7: were moving the ball, they were having success.
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  Speaker 1: That was what they were not having in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 7: There was no reason to believe that there were signs
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  Speaker 7: of life from the offense.
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  Speaker 1: It was just, you know, they never found any.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were looking for that little magic thing from
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  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels, but I don't think it was it was there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was to be had in that game.
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  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, but like you said, yeah, you're nine to
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  Speaker 2: nothing at half. You know, that's like nothing.
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  Speaker 6: In the NFL. Well it felt like more.
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  Speaker 2: But you know you're thinking it, Well, if all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden the offensive line could start playing better, Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's not that easy.
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  Speaker 7: They just play a better run defense. I'd be curious,
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  Speaker 7: you know, in the game. I mean, I think Seahawks
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  Speaker 7: win that game nine times out of ten. Maybe, but
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  Speaker 7: maybe you stop the run a little better, You put
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  Speaker 7: a little more pressure on Sam Darnold. Maybe those millimeters
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  Speaker 7: you came from turnovers and mistakes, maybe that makes a
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  Speaker 7: little bit of a difference.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was it meant to be.
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  Speaker 3: I did not care for the micd up stuff that's
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  Speaker 3: on a don't like what what didn't you care for
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Of convenient editing, I would say in some of the so.
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  Speaker 2: To be clear, this is NFL film stuff. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: just not us, not us.
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  Speaker 3: I just like, yeah, I saw the same clips that
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  Speaker 3: you guys all saw. Were there are other clips that
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  Speaker 3: didn't make the Final Cup because they were trying to
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  Speaker 3: tell a story about how one team blew out the
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  Speaker 3: other team in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 6: Like okay, So so the.
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  Speaker 3: One that's going around that's really popular right now is
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  Speaker 3: about Christian Barmore. And he's like, you know, as somebody
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  Speaker 3: that has been around Christian Barmore a little bit, I
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  Speaker 3: kind of speak Christian Barmore like I understand as.
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  Speaker 1: Well as anyone can, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Like he was saying that.
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  Speaker 3: It's not us, it's not us, and everybody was like
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  Speaker 3: he's blaming the offense. It's like no, he's saying this
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  Speaker 3: wasn't us, Like this wasn't this is who we are,
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  Speaker 3: This is our level of performance. This isn't our standard.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we're not stopping the run, that's not that's
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  Speaker 3: not what we do. We're not scoring, you know, this
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  Speaker 3: is not we. I think he was frustrated that they
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  Speaker 3: kind of let the game get away from them and
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  Speaker 3: weren't able to you know, pull it back in I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. There's just so when you're painting a picture
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  Speaker 3: of Seattle's this dominant force and this great football team,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's easy to kind of put a lot of
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  Speaker 3: cuts in there of Drake May looking sad and somber
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  Speaker 3: on the sideline and all that kind of stuff when
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  Speaker 3: the idea is Seattle won this game and Seattle blew
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  Speaker 3: out the Patriots and they're this dominant, you know, dark
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  Speaker 3: side defense, And not that they don't deserve all the credit.
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  Speaker 3: I just I thought that the edit that NFL Films
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  Speaker 3: put together made the Patriots look really bad and not just.
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  Speaker 9: So these are these are two different things to me,
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  Speaker 9: and the barb wing is not about an edit. It's
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  Speaker 9: about how it's perceived. And I think Evan's explanation is
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  Speaker 9: more than plausible that he might not be pointing fingers
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  Speaker 9: the way some people and I did see some people,
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  Speaker 9: not everybody, but some people said, wow, he seems like
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  Speaker 9: he's calling out the offense. We're not carrying their you know,
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  Speaker 9: they're part of the load. And I think Evan could
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  Speaker 9: be right. He might just be saying this isn't us,
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  Speaker 9: Like this ain't us as a team or as a defense.
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  Speaker 9: Stopping the run. He might have just been talking to
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  Speaker 9: Milton Williams. This ain't us, you and me. We're not
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  Speaker 9: stopping the run, right, We've stopped the run all year,
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  Speaker 9: and this guy's running all over us. So I think
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  Speaker 9: that's I think Evan's point of view on that is
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  Speaker 9: more than possible. The edits and the cuts, to me,
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  Speaker 9: are a different thing, and they do this every year,
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  Speaker 9: and you can tell sometimes.
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  Speaker 8: They're very good at what they do with those.
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  Speaker 9: But sometimes you can go and you can look, and
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  Speaker 9: when you're a psychotic like me and you recognize certain
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  Speaker 9: situations of the game, you can tell that they put
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  Speaker 9: that edit in the middle of the third quarter, that
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  Speaker 9: play happened in the beginning of.
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  Speaker 2: The first quarter, and you can see it famous for that, and.
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  Speaker 9: They do that all the time. Now, I didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 9: see most of it. I've seen the clips that have
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  Speaker 9: been played. I haven't watched this through, but NFL Films
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  Speaker 9: does sort of creatively edit some of these things at
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  Speaker 9: times and tell the story. Yeah, and they're trying to
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  Speaker 9: trying to tell a narrative, and so I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Not trying to that's not not either.
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  Speaker 3: That's my point is that I wouldn't watch these clips
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  Speaker 3: that are getting put out there on these micd ups
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  Speaker 3: where let's also remember that they're clipping like thirty seconds
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  Speaker 3: of like a forty minute show, and it's that's what's
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  Speaker 3: going around the internet. Like I just wouldn't put too
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  Speaker 3: much stock into it, because you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's trying.
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  Speaker 3: They're trying to tell an editorialized story of the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, is that really was Drake may always
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  Speaker 3: like that. It was either like that for four straight quarters,
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  Speaker 3: was where there are just some moments where he was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a little bit down, because we certainly saw
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  Speaker 3: that even from Brady at times where he was grumpy
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  Speaker 3: or he.
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  Speaker 5: Was frustrated or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Would so also do it.
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  Speaker 3: And I just would say to me, like, I just
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't put too much stock into No, it's conveniently trimmed class.
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  Speaker 1: I've said it a couple of times.
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  Speaker 7: It's thirty one team suck right now, and you lose
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  Speaker 7: the Super Bowl, you get the suck spotlight for the
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  Speaker 7: whole week and everything is everything that's wrong with you.
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  Speaker 7: And that's what happens when and that's why it stinks
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  Speaker 7: to lose the super Bowl because a lot of times
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  Speaker 7: you come away from this week feeling like your whole
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  Speaker 7: season just got a big dump taken on it and
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  Speaker 7: that you didn't do anything good all year. And I
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  Speaker 7: mean I got past that quick, but I will say
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  Speaker 7: I really did. I did watch the NFL films they did.
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  Speaker 7: They do the one with no sound like, there's no
• 14:38
  Speaker 7: micd up, it's just great shots to music and telling.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: The story that way. I thought that one was was
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: really cool. I mean, still a lot of shots of
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: dejected patriots.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: But and I'm not even saying it was bad content,
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: right right, I'm just saying to then take something from it,
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: like it's this is who they are and this is
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: the story.
• 14:55
  Speaker 9: And I would say the bigger picture thing that Fred
• 14:57
  Speaker 9: and Mike are concerned with with men, I think there's
• 15:00
  Speaker 9: some validity too, because I think it was a big
• 15:03
  Speaker 9: point of emphasis from Mike Rabel way back in April
• 15:06
  Speaker 9: and may yep, you know, maybe he should have him
• 15:09
  Speaker 9: have Robert Spallaine talk to him, you know. But I
• 15:13
  Speaker 9: do think that Mike thought that that was something that
• 15:16
  Speaker 9: he was on very early. Like how many times do
• 15:19
  Speaker 9: we see our own micd up stuff at OTAs or
• 15:22
  Speaker 9: Mini camp or whatever, and Mike is imploring him talk
• 15:26
  Speaker 9: to them, lead them, you know, get in, you know,
• 15:28
  Speaker 9: be you know, be be the voice, be the vocal leader.
• 15:32
  Speaker 9: So it's clearly something that Drake is probably not a
• 15:36
  Speaker 9: natural ad and Rabel recognizes it and he's trying to
• 15:39
  Speaker 9: draw more out of him. I agree with Evan's Lodger
• 15:42
  Speaker 9: point about the creativity of the edits. I think sometimes
• 15:45
  Speaker 9: can be deceptive, But I think the takeaway that I
• 15:49
  Speaker 9: think Fred started this with is probably some some truth
• 15:53
  Speaker 9: to with with with Drake. He I think he needs
• 15:55
  Speaker 9: to be a little bit more in tune with Yeah,
• 15:58
  Speaker 9: I know things aren't going very well from me right now,
• 16:00
  Speaker 9: but I need to lift these guys up and not
• 16:03
  Speaker 9: continue to give them the belief that we can turn
• 16:05
  Speaker 9: this around.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: And not only that, I want him in McDaniel's here,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: not just McDaniels in his ear. I want him going
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: back to the bench and said, this is what I'm seeing,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: let's try this or stop with that call. It's not
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: gonna work.
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you know. Maybe he's doing that that one.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I hope that that's happening, that
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: he's as much part.
• 16:25
  Speaker 9: Of what Evan's talking about, Like maybe that's happening and
• 16:28
  Speaker 9: you're not seeing it right. It looks like he's just
• 16:29
  Speaker 9: this like subservient kind of right.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, MOPI it will come on, pick it up.
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, we did hear comments from the players this
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: year though, that he's improved on holding guys accountable, telling
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: you know, receivers how I want things done and all that.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: So he has made strides.
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: But you know, again he's a twenty three young kid.
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: He's young, yep, and.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Like I said, he got his he got his face eat.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: We want it all right away because we had it all,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: you know, so we want we want it back to
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: where it was, and it's going to take time.
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: It is, yeah, it is.
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: I mean it does not to always bring it back
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: to Brady, but it's just that it makes you appreciate
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: what made him great and that games could be going
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: like games like that. We were like, shoot, we ain't
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: got it today, and he had the ability and the
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: mental toughness.
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: He'll figure it out of it around And that's what you.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Know, Drake aspire to.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Like not everybody's wired that right, right, inspired say, a
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: lot of athletes nowadays especially or not necessarily wired that way.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Not today but are the great ones all wired that way?
• 17:24
  Speaker 11: Well?
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: I don't think No, I'm not.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Can you name a great one who didn't have that fire,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: that never gave up. And you know, I'm not saying
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: they were always like in their teammates face, but they
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: always they just hated to lose so much, and they
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: they figured things out in the biggest moments.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's different.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what makes them great, right, That's what
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't that isn't that what's.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't say that I watched like Patrick Mahomes
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: and think that he has the same leadership style as
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady. I think he has the same competitive drive
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: is Tom Brady, But I don't think that he's like
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: tom Brady's like going up and down the line, like
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: barking at I gotta play tougher, you gotta play hard
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: like I don't.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: I don't look at it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: I don't seen Mahomes kind of do that.
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: I mean I don't even really need that stuff. I mean,
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: I just need you to play your best when the
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: game's on the line, and no matter.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: How the game.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I think those are two different things though, right, Like
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: but like being you know, I don't know.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: This is not my side of the street.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I like, yeah, like it just I don't know if
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: like everybody is wired that way. I think you're not
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: the cross sports but like Jason Tatum gets a lot
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: of flack for not being that kind of guy, you know,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: not being the demonstrative, raw raw leader type of guy.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Uh you know that.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: And I think that Drake may is kind of getting
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: talked about similarly to that.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: But it's not that a guy that the rest of
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: the team looks to.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Is the best player. But I don't think that that necessarily.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: That doesn't answer my question. Is he the guy that
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: they look to when things get tough?
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I'm I don't probably not, but I don't know if
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: you need to be like I don't know if that necessarily.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I think that's what separates
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: the great ones.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: I think what separates the great ones that they're great,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: that they play well like. It's easy to lead, like
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: to fall behind somebody when they're playing well like, it's
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: it's not I don't know. I just I think that
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: there we kind of latch onto that archetype of like leader,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: and that that's how it needs to be done, and I.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: Don't know if it's the only path.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I don't need that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's not for now because this is, you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 9: probably a bigger picture thing. But I do wonder if
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: it is kind of what Evan's talking about, like they're
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: not all wired that way. I think it's like less
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: and less a wired that way. Now, like you asked
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: the question, can you think of a great one who
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: wasn't like that?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: Can you think of somebody who's not really wired like
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: to win?
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: I mean I don't know, but not everyone's not everyone,
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: but a really.
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: Good player that you just don't think he cares about
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: like as much as he should about winning.
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: Well, so you said real good player? Is he a
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: great Yeah?
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: Like, I mean obviously if he's a bad player, he
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: probably doesn't care.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you know what I mean.
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: Like, so, could you make an argument like Josh Allen
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: and Lamar Jackson are as talented as anybody in the league,
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: but they haven't been able to get there?
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: Are they not wired that?
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: One think Josh Allen is certainly why.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: I was going to say, that's what makes him great.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people think Lamar isn't
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people think Justin Herbert
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: is in you know, I.
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: Think that's that's a really good one.
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: Justin Herbert, I I like, but I think is definitely
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: in that camp. And I and I wonder if what
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: Evan's talking about is more kind of generational. You're gonna
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: get more and more of this, you know, like they
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: don't come out the same way. And this is not
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: please don't. This is not old man yelling at clouds
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: like I'm not telling you, Oh, in my day, you cared.
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: And I totally recognize that people are changing lifestyles, are
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: changing attitudes everything that it's that old school coach barking
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: at you all the time doesn't work anymore. There's a
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: different way of doing it. It's not better, it's not worse,
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: it's different. And that's what these these kids come up
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: with now. And I do wonder if maybe part of
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: that is is it well, you know what, we're prepared.
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: I think Drake May wanted to win every bit as
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: badly as Sam Darnold and Kenneth Walker, did you know.
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: I don't think that he went into that game saying, well,
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: that's okay if we lose, because we're ahead of schedule.
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: But I do wonder if it hurts, Yeah, today's athlete,
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: not Drake May Today's athlete like it hurt.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I think we might be splitting hairs a little bit.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: But I look at the great ones as it's not
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: just demonstrative, it's leading by example, like whether it's Ted
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: like Ted Williams or whatever. When it comes down to it,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: he's the guy we want up at the plate. He's
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the guy we want behind center because we trust him.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: We know he's gonna come through because he does it,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: He's shown it. He leads by exams. Like Michael Jordan.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that he was always in his teammate's face,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: but like I bet every teammate wanted in his hands
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: in funch time, he was like he just wouldn't allow
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the team to lose. Of course they didn't always come through, but.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Like the more modern Michael Jordan would be like Lebron
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: or Steph Curry, who are gamers there are, right, But I.
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: Don't know Lebron than Steph Curry. I think Steph Curry
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: would cut your heart out exactly. I'm not sure Lebron would,
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: but but I don't.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I think again, like I don't think that Lebron or
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Steph Curry either one of those guys is very demonstrative.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: No, but they do it by their play, right.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: Which is what I'm saying, Like, if you play well,
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: then every.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: Obviously, that's all that really matters to me. Like I don't,
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: I don't care, Like I'm never I've never once tried
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: to make the argument that Drake needs to be that guy.
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: I just need to feel confident in you that you're
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: gonna you're gonna start to play well even if you've
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: had a crappy start to the first you know.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And that's why.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: But every one of those people that were talking about
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: that do it by their play. They do it, they
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: show by example. I'll bet you they're the cold blooded killers,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: every one of them, every one of them.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But I don't need that cold blooded killer to
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: go marching up and down and start screaming at people.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: You don't have to, but they have to be cold
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: blooded killers.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't. Yeah, I guess, I don't know.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: We've only had one playoff run with Drake Mays and.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: I said, he's still young, we's got a lot to
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: learn and all that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: It doesn't quite have that that mamba mentality.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: As people say that Kobe Bryant, well, he may not
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: be great.
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: Then like I don't think Kobe's probably as good as Lebron. Yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: but I would say Kobe one hundred times out of
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: one hundred.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: That's fair.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I think you don't have to have both. But I
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: think having the ability is number one, and having that
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: cold blooded mentality is what makes you great.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: It's what separates the great one.
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: We just asks so much of a kid who's you know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: in Drake's case, was twenty two to twenty one years
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: old coming out of North Carolina to come into an
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: NFL team to lead them to you know, to be
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: that guy and not everybody special that way that they're
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: gonna come in and theyre instantly have that mojo. So,
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: you know, my hope is that I don't need the
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: rot ros stuff from Drake. I've never asked from that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: I just need to see him to continue to play
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: well when things aren't going well, when he's not playing
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: well in the first half, and you know, just having
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: that feeling like Bill's fans have right now, where Josh
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: is gonna make some place for us, Like I don't know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: if the defense are you know, we're gonna be able
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: to get it done. But you always have confidence when
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: you have one of those quarterbacks that at some point
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: they're gonna start to make plays and put some pressure
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: on Seattle. And for a brief glimpse, you know, maybe
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: it was the last about forty seconds and that Super
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: Bowl after you through the touchdown and they got the
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: ball back, and you know, for a moment there you felt,
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: all right, this is at least to bounce back a
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: little bit from Drake to you know. And again at
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: that point, he's probably just like, screw it, I'm gonna
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: let it rip, you know, so, but to me see
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: him make some of those throws down that gave me
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: a little bit of confidence.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Jack and arbis as an example of a great player
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: who didn't have fire in his belly to win his
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Agree, maybe, yeah, I don't know, it's not hard to read.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I like, like Nikolay Jokic, like could not get out
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: of America fast enough when the NBA season is over.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think he actually cared about anything, and he's
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: the best player in the.
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: League at Yeah, yeah, he actually laughed.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't believe it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he the guy like they won the Nuggets won
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: the title a couple of years ago, and he said,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: can I go home like that?
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: That that you know like it? Just I don't. I
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: don't know if that. I think that a lot like Paul.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Was kind of saying, a lot of those types of guys,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: it doesn't exist like it used to anymore, for better
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: or worse.
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: I do wonder if it's changing because of you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: I just think that these kids are way different than
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: than like Fred and I were.
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: You guys are different. You know, you're not so much Mike.
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: I know you like to think himself as young, but
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: you're not.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: See.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I think I don't think that part of it, that
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: cold blooded I hate to lose type of mentality has changed.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: I think there are still.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: A great I do think that like Drake may definitely
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: hates to lose a lot of there's been a lot
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: of stories about that, but him like hitting to lose
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: like ping pong like you know, and stuff like that.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Like No, I like, I just think it's different in
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: ways that they show it, like in ways that they
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: carry themselves, their body language, their their actions. I don't
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know if, like you know, Michael Jordan, you
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: brought him up like he he was famously an a hole,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: like that guy would just go up to you in
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: practice and like the things that they did to like
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Tony kukach Is like like ridiculous, Like they would go
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: up to him in practice and tell him that he
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and everybody he ever known stinks, you know, like like
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: they he would just absolutely rip that guy's heart out.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know if like everybody plays sports that way anymore,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: for for again, for better or words. I'm not saying
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: it's a good thing or a bad thing, you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I just I don't know. I don't know if that's
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the way it is anymore.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Anthony says, hey, old man yelling at clouds? Would you
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: say Marino falls into the dozen care enough? Not a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: great leader, type of ultra talented player. I only saw
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the end of his career, so not sure of what
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: he was like as a personality early on.
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: I see, I don't think so. I think he was
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: a really fiery competitive.
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: Well he was always yelling at other people, right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: No, absolutely, and that's like he wasn't doing that because
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: he didn't care, you know what I mean? Now you
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: can argue that he wasn't, you know, at his best
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: when he needed to be.
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: I mean, this another guy like Aaron.
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: I think he's the Aaron Rodgers of his time, like
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: too many home playoff losses and big you know, you know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: AFC Championship games in Miami and coming away with els.
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: But I mean, I would be hard pressed to find
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: a guy that I just openly said that guy doesn't
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: really seem like he cares if he would just not be.
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: Like to get to the NFL, Like you've got to
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: be hyper competitive just to get to the NFL.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Like you know, they're comparing.
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: Talents, Like I could look at certain guys and these
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: are good examples, Aaron Rodd. The last two we had
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: Aaron and Dan Marine, and they're great examples. I don't
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: know the answer to the questions, but you sometimes you
• 28:05
  Speaker 9: just look at guys and you're like, does it bother
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: justin Herbert as much when he loses as it bothers
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: a guy likes say Baker Mayfield. Now that might be
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: completely and utterly unfair, because one guy wears every emotion
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: that he's ever had on his sleeve, and the other
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: guy is as laid back as they come. It doesn't
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: mean that it matters more to Mayfield than it does
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: to Herbert. But that's the impression from Afar when you watch.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: That's kind of my point.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: It's superficial.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: It is kind of trying to rebody language and get
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: inside guy's heads. And the end of the day, like
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: gotta play well, and like you gotta play well in
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: the biggest moments.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: And he in the Super Bowl at least he didn't.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: And so now there's this narrative that he doesn't care
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: enough for He's that you're not demonstrative enough, or he's
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: not a leader or a clutch or and that comes
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: with it, that comes with the territory.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: You don't want to be sitting on the bench with
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: your head down anyway.
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: Well, and just before we go on, I just want
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: to reiterate that the league is better with Baker Mayfield.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Well, there's no doubt, but Ryan says, Drake mays every
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: bit of the competitive spirit of Tom Brady. Think back
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: to Brady in the AFC Championship Game versus the Steelers.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: In the first Super Bowl run, he tweaked his ankle,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: but to his own admission in the Dynasty document, was
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: kind of ready to take a seat. Drake is super young,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: and his leadership style will grow organically as his confidence
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: grows and as he gets older. To Evan's point, there
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: is no singular leadership style of the greats. Bill Russell,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Joe Montana, and Bird all had more revered personalities relative
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: to a Jordan or a Brady.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would.
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: Just Bird was tough to play with it too.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, even said in the in the Celtics documentary,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: he goes, I practice harder than these guys.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: That's why I wanted the ball.
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: I wanted to take the shop because I knew I
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: was more prepared.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, Bird was tough to play with. Bird
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: was more like Jordan than you think.
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Now, Bill Russell was a good example. He was a
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: lead by example guy, not in your face. Yeah. Montana,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: maybe I don't know as much about him, but I
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: know that. But what in crunch time, he's the guy
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I want the ball in his hand. Yeah, he's Joe cool,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you know, John Candy. Yeah, so it's good. It's good stuff.
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: I think it's a good discussion. It's probably bigger than
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: this show, but.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, nothing's bigger than this show.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Paul come on.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't like how we try to
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: like put athletes in like a box, like this is
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: this way, you have to look this way, you have
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: to lead this way, you have to act this way when.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: A lot of great players don't.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: And no, I don't know if like Drake may is
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: going to rattle off six super Bowls. You know, he
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: might not have that kind of maniacal drive.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe he does it, most people don't,
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: but like can he still be great?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And the question, well, the question is that I guess
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the crux of my question is do you need the
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: maniacal drive to be among the greatest of the greats.
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: I would say I think there needs to be something special.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: I think there has to be competitiveness.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes comes in out of shape every single last season,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: So like I like, if you're just if we're gonna
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: like go by, like what happens now? I don't know, Like,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: no one's gonna win seven Super Bowls a right, like
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: that's that somebody someday?
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: Will someone's gonna do it?
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe, but like let's not hold it to
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: that standard, right, so like, you know, I don't know
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: if you can like Patrick mahomess won three right, and
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think that Patrick Mahomes has the same Like
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: he's not on some TB twelve diet where he doesn't
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: eat a sugar for.
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: At this stage of Mahomes' career, neither was Brady. Brady
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: was chucking beers with the lineman at this stage.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Of yeah, they were water a lot of the time.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I like I I just that's my point though,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: is like I don't know, like I think Patrick Mahomes
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: is probably wired in a different way than a lot
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: of people from a competitive speed or the standpoint is
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: his drive to win in games and things like that,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I'm sure is off the charts.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: But you can't ignore that guy.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: But I don't look at him and be like that
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: guy all he does twelve months out of the year
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: is train and focus on football. Like I don't think
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: that that's true, which is fine, Like I'm not knocking
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: him for it, but I just don't think that that's true.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean some guys like him have. I would
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: say he has more pure talent than Tom Brady, which
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: is pretty amazing because Tom Brady's pretty damn talent.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: To Paul's point, is missing the playoffs this year and
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: feeling like they're gonna have to reset a little bit,
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: does that maybe inspire him to change his regime a
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: little bit?
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, career.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: You know, there was a point in Brady's career about
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: now ye where Brady realized, if I'm going to keep
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: this up, I need to do something in order to
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: you know, extend my career.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I felt like his body was starting to break down
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: Remember six he started wearing that thing, and then you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: Guerrero came in and that was what he needed.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I agree with what There's no one
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: way to do it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: It's just I think there's a certain vibe that you
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: get from guys and a certain point, guys like Josh
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: Allen Mahomes, regardless of what we see them do during
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: the off season, you know that they're going to be
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: a nightmare just for sixteen minutes.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And I don't think it's just sports. I just find like,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: whether it's business or whatever, science, you know, inventors, entrepreneurs,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: like the top echelon guys and women have that's something
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: that's different there.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: They might be.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Crazy, I crazy nuts or whatever, but there's something that
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: puts them above.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: I think Drake May is maniacally competitive. I think that
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: that comes from his brothers and being the youngest and
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: getting beat down a lot as a as a kid,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: and things like that.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: By his brothers.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: You know, like there's been a lot of stories on
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: the beat of you know, cards, ping pong, golf, basketball,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: like just playing pick up basketball, and he's like trying to,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: you know, tear somebody's head off, right like things like that,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: And I think he he has that element. I just
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: don't know if he is like a demonstrative wear your
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: heart on your sleeve barking at people. And maybe like
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: that will happen eight to ten years from now, in
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: the second chapter of his career, when he becomes a
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: little bit more you know, older, more mature, more sure
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: of himself, that sort of thing. I think it's hard
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: to do that as a as a twenty three year old.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So el Elf from Wisconsin once again has completely misunderstood
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He says, just because someone isn't screaming
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: at their team doesn't mean they don't care.
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: I agree with that, but if you're the leader of
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: the team.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: If you're the quarterback and your head's down and totally
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: within yourself in the toughest of times, that's not helping
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the team.
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and can we also just add I don't think
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: anybody suggested that he.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Didn't care right now, I'm not saying I didn't care.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: So once again, el got it all wrong.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: He does that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: He does that a lot.
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: But that's a little aggressive, I think.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Also, I know, but he does that a lot. It's
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: a big time. Listen, No, I don't of course he cares.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Of course he cares. But you're my quarterback. I need
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I need you to be the the guy that others
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: are looking to.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: And if you're looking.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Down, I think it was like what's going on? Five?
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: Six Brady was The body language is a huge thing
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: with Brady. I think it was six where it was.
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: That was like a notable talking point of that his
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: body languages.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: I spent half the season pouting, right, Yes, they got
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: rid of all right.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Did the same thing in nineteen.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm just saying what happened.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they made the playoffs and they're the
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: worst twelve and fourteen of all time. But I think
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: that the good thing about the Rabel Drake made tandem
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: is that Rabel is this alpha kind of personality and
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: leader that we're talking about, and maybe he can either
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: get it out of Drake May, if that's really what
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: you need, or maybe he can kind of supplement like
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Brady supplemented Belichick, who wasn't necessarily you know, the leader
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: of men that you know, Mike Rabel is, but was
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: a genius when it came to the you know, the
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: football aspects of it. So I think that they're you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: they hopefully will kind of combine forces here and you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: be able to get that out of everybody. But the
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: guy that everybody looks to when things are not going
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: well might be the head coach. Like that might just
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: be the type of team that they are and the
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: way they're wired.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Joe says, all year long, May would pick up his
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: team when they started slow, So please don't judge his
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: whole year by one game. Yeah it's fair.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah fair.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Now, I just say, I don't know.
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: I was wondering how you guys felt after other Super
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: Bowl losses, but this loss left me much more excited
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: and ready to get right back into it than other losses.
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: Now that all those other losses were you know, mid
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: Brady mid dynasty, where you knew that each team.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Was pretty but like it still just feels like you're
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: just getting started.
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: And that's why, Yeah, you took some you know, lumps
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: last week with people talking about the team, But how
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: can you not be excited about this team and the
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: direction that they're going. And I know that they have
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: holes and things to figure out, but the job that
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: they did last year just gives me a lot of confidence.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: And to see Drake and how he progresses with all
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: these He's got all the tools in the world. We're
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: able saying all the right things to him, and I
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: you know, and I hope this isn't coming off as
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: us like nitpicking Drake, Like, yeah, there's things that he needs,
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: but he's still a young kid. I still don't think
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: there's really many other quarterbacks I'd rather have in the
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: league than him. And just overall, coming out of this season,
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: I'm enthusiastic about the whole operation.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: That's our quarterback. That's our quarterback, our quarterback.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: The other one, though, too always think about, the one
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: people use is that they don't believe in us, Like
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: I've known people who that's their thing. Like, no matter
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: how much success they have, it's always about how no
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: one believes in them. They're never like, dude, you've directed
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: movies and you're still selling me this thing about nobody
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: believes in you. But that's just I think certain people
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: have certain devices that they use, like Rodney Harrison, that
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: you know, nobody believes and that's.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: How they get themselves to that place.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, A five to five PATS five hundred
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: is the hotline podcast at Patriots dot com is the
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: email address. We've already read a few of those emails.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Let's get to the phones. We'll start with Danny in Tampa.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: What's up, Danny.
• 38:15
  Speaker 12: Here are you guys doing today?
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, hey, first take I want to give. I want
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: to pick a bone with with Paul to give. But
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: I did not say last week.
• 38:30
  Speaker 13: I think somebody was talking about the offensive line was
• 38:32
  Speaker 13: saying that we wanted to either remake.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: The whole line.
• 38:37
  Speaker 13: And then also to the other point, I did not
• 38:39
  Speaker 13: say that it was my money.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: It was Robert Krafts money.
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: I don't have a problem.
• 38:43
  Speaker 13: Paying paying Christians als.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying.
• 38:46
  Speaker 13: That they probably should do a Kyler Murray type of
• 38:49
  Speaker 13: deal where they kind of word some things in the
• 38:51
  Speaker 13: contract where he needs to kind of meet deliver to
• 38:54
  Speaker 13: certain expectations.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: If he wants to bag.
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: The other thing is, well, then you're not going to
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: sign him, Mike.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're either going to.
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: Give him money guaranteed or not. That's up to you.
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: But I don't remember someone. I don't remember who, but
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: someone last Tuesday said they wanted to change the whole
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: offensive line. If that wasn't you, I don't think I
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: assigned that to you. But someone called in and said
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: they wanted to change all five guys in the offensive line.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's ridiculous.
• 39:20
  Speaker 13: And I also have a caller on crime to the
• 39:23
  Speaker 13: guy that called in was ticking on eld.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: And Christian in La.
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: I think he needs to call in.
• 39:29
  Speaker 13: Don't sit behind the keyboard and be a keyboard warrior.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: There you go, There you go, Danny, bring it, Danny, there.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: You go, keyboard warriors.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: All right, PU fight Club.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: We'll just do like I don't mind people writing it,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: but give your real name and where you're from. No
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: anonymous names. If you if you've got to criticize others,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: and if I hear what Danny said.
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: If I assigned that to Danny, then then I'm wrong.
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: I don't remember assigning it to anybody in particular, but
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: somebody last Tuesday wanted to change the entire of the
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: offensive line.
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: I was like, you know, they just did that me
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: and that than we're talking about, like, here's my simple
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: seventy two point plan to fix the Patriots this offseason
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: where you're like cutting, restructuring, signing, cutting, resigning, like.
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: And I don't really know why Gonzo would be in
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: a Kyler Marty category, where like, is it is this.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Like prove it?
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: Well, what does he prove it?
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: Does he not watch film?
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: Like like he.
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: Had to put the video games away? Right, Yeah, if
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: you don't want to sign him, if.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: That's if you want divisions Like I have never heard
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: anything even remotely like that about Christian Zalees. So I've actually, uh,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: justin Hamilton, their cornerbacks coach, that he's one of the
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: smartest players he's ever had. You know, a guy that
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: just has ridiculous memory of like they put something on
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: the board and he's going to remember it, you know,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: and it's just stuck in his brain. I don't think
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: that he's anything work ethic.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Is it any sort of question Nate's and Connecticut, we
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: can hear.
• 40:52
  Speaker 14: You, Okay, all right, good, good, good good. So Tyreek
• 40:58
  Speaker 14: Hill getting released is obviously any big in the NFL.
• 41:02
  Speaker 14: And with the situation that Stefan Diggs is currently in
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: with all the legal issue and then also us having
• 41:10
  Speaker 14: the ability to off that out of the contract, do.
• 41:12
  Speaker 12: You guys think that it's like a noble.
• 41:15
  Speaker 14: Possible decision that he's come to the team.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: No, I'm good one thing that I can.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: I don't think.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to get into the Tyreek Hill.
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: No, I don't want any part of that.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: No.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know why we keep on glossing over the
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: fact that the last time we saw him he has
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: suffered a gruesome knee injury that like no one has,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: like we're all should we try to sign Trek? Is
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Tyrek Hill going to even play in twenty twenty six
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: because that was a brutal injury And.
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: Even if he plays, you're talking about similar off field
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: I mean worse, worse, but similar kinds of in terms
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: of severity, much more frequent with Tyreek Hill than with
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: Stefan Diggs. Evan talked about the injury situation, so he's
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: also getting a little bit older. Yeah, I mean I
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: I would just keep Diggs if you're going to do.
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: I think he's that whole thing.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's four months removed from that injury. I
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: think I saw it as at least another six to
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: go until he's healthy. So like you're talking about adding
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: him mid season anyways, to whichever team signs him. On top,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: you know, on top of all the stuff that Paul's
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: talking about.
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: What about Bradley Chubb because they got rid of him
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: too injuries.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: He did not look like the same player to me.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: You had that big injury in twenty twenty three, missed
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: the entire twenty twenty four season, and last year I
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: didn't think he looked quite the same. Now, if that's
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: like a consolation, because you kind of strike out on
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: your first couple of choices.
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: Like someone better than that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: But I wouldn't mind him as a as a depth guy.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: If he's like your situational.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Guy, or if like that's like plan C, D E F.
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: Like you know, like I've always liked Bradley Chubb. I
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: agree with everything you haven't just said about him. But
• 42:56
  Speaker 9: I you look at what they had this year. I
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: wouldn't mind him like in that Chase On role, but
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: you need someone over that. Like we all thought Chase
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: On is gonna be a situational passacch who turned out
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: to be pretty much an every down player. I don't
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: want Bradley Chubb playing every down.
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: No, they got to figure out that position. I mean,
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: I'd love to add a free agent. I'd like to
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: draft a rookie in the first two days, you know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: redo that whole thing, get some young legs, some reliability,
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: might have to take a half step back.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I'm curious with Chase On.
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think he's gonna have interest, and I
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: think he might take the most money.
• 43:31
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• 43:37
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• 43:42
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• 43:59
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• 44:01
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  Speaker 17: It's time now for another episode of Pats from the
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  Speaker 17: former Patriot great and who better to join us today
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  Speaker 17: than number thirty two CJ. Craig James, one of the
• 47:03
  Speaker 17: og member of the Pony Express, right along with Eric Dickerson.
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  Speaker 18: Absolutely, which we're going to.
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  Speaker 17: Talk about because how can you talk to Craig James
• 47:10
  Speaker 17: without talking about that before his Patriots career.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Anything that gets me back to high school. Matt.
• 47:14
  Speaker 18: That's great, right, thanks for joining us.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: This has gone a privilege.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I walk in this.
• 47:18
  Speaker 10: Stadium and I'm cracking up because I'm back in the eighties, right,
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: And when I walked up to Sullivan Stadium, you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: we didn't have no film room like this, right, wasn't even.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: The thought back then.
• 47:28
  Speaker 18: Right.
• 47:28
  Speaker 17: But Craig, you said you were here last June. Explain that.
• 47:31
  Speaker 17: Why were you here for Tom Brady Day?
• 47:34
  Speaker 10: Well, I got to get the invitation to come in
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: for the Brady celebration, which was just remarkable. But I
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: wanted to see Dante Scarnekia because Scar and I we
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: were back together at SMU. He was here when I
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: was playing for the Patriots. He was, you know, like
• 47:46
  Speaker 10: a legend. He's been here since before Billy Sullivan bought
• 47:49
  Speaker 10: the team.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: Scar's just one of those legendary guys. And I got
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: a chance to speak with him and see him. But
• 47:54
  Speaker 10: what a great night that was. I was so proud
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: to be an alum. What a privilege to be a
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: part of the Patriots organization. I sent a handwritten note
• 48:02
  Speaker 10: to mister Kraft and just said, man, what an awesome
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: night and a display of the fans. The fans here
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: in New England showed off last year absolutely lutely.
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: We were really happy with the way that whole night
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: because a lot of people in the organization had a
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: lot of things, a lot, you know, a lot to
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: do with that. So we felt like that was a
• 48:19
  Speaker 9: really strong night for the entire organization and I'm glad
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: that so many you know, alums came back for that.
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: There was a lot of people from a lot of
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: different eras that took part in that, and I think
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: it was a huge success.
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: Well well, you know, it's it's like I had a
• 48:32
  Speaker 10: chance to see Tony Collins and Doug Flute and a
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: bunch of my teammates that I had not seen in years.
• 48:37
  Speaker 10: You know, you have to walk up nowadays, forty years
• 48:39
  Speaker 10: later and say, hey, Craig James, see who are you?
• 48:43
  Speaker 17: And I tell you what, Craig, I'm not like you
• 48:46
  Speaker 17: don't look a little bit different. You look like Craig James.
• 48:49
  Speaker 17: Maybe so maybe your hair's a little lighter, but that's
• 48:52
  Speaker 17: about it. I was joking with you before we started
• 48:54
  Speaker 17: that Eric could give you ten or fifteen steps.
• 48:57
  Speaker 18: I wonder if there's a half back option play that
• 48:59
  Speaker 18: you don't know, maybe one that you could do if
• 49:01
  Speaker 18: you know, pitch it out there.
• 49:02
  Speaker 17: I think it could probably still get a first down
• 49:04
  Speaker 17: off of that kind of shit.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I'd be really good with pregame
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: warm up and pat go.
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: If somebody hit me, I would cry, that's funny, Like
• 49:15
  Speaker 10: I said, to kick things off.
• 49:17
  Speaker 17: I think people here in New England are somewhat versed
• 49:21
  Speaker 17: on the legend of how it began. But the idea
• 49:24
  Speaker 17: that two kids who went to high school in Texas
• 49:28
  Speaker 17: to the best at their position could be recruited and
• 49:31
  Speaker 17: play for the same college and be so prolific. I mean,
• 49:36
  Speaker 17: that story never gets old, doesn't. The Pony Express at SMU.
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: With you and Eric Dickerson, We've been nearly fifty years friends,
• 49:42
  Speaker 10: we love each other, We're like brothers. And the fact
• 49:45
  Speaker 10: that now we can look back on it and realize
• 49:48
  Speaker 10: what we did was really unique. And someone asked me
• 49:51
  Speaker 10: the media made a big deal about it. I had
• 49:53
  Speaker 10: won the vincelent Bardi NFL Offensive Player of the Year
• 49:56
  Speaker 10: the year after Eric had been the NFL MVP, and
• 49:59
  Speaker 10: they said, how to two guys go to the same
• 50:01
  Speaker 10: team in Dallas at SMU, How did that happen?
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I said, well, it was Dallas.
• 50:05
  Speaker 10: It was Ron Meyer, head coach at the time, a
• 50:07
  Speaker 10: lot of energy, but it just, you know, as Eric
• 50:10
  Speaker 10: and I say the Pony Express, we were better together.
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: So did you ever have any trepidation, you know, being
• 50:16
  Speaker 9: a running back, there's only one guy that's going to
• 50:18
  Speaker 9: get the carry.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that both you and.
• 50:20
  Speaker 9: Eric felt like you were the man coming out of
• 50:23
  Speaker 9: high school. Was there any concerns that you were going
• 50:26
  Speaker 9: to be able to share the backfield together and be
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: as successful as you were?
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: He had rushed for over two thousand yards as a senior.
• 50:31
  Speaker 10: We were different classifications in Texas. Both of our teams
• 50:34
  Speaker 10: had one state championships, so we both thought we were
• 50:37
  Speaker 10: pretty good. We're both all Americans, we get to SMU.
• 50:39
  Speaker 10: Ron Meyer made it work, you know. He convinced us
• 50:42
  Speaker 10: that you guys are going to be fresher for your
• 50:44
  Speaker 10: twenty carries each per game.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I think he averaged twenty, averaged.
• 50:48
  Speaker 10: Nineteen, and so now that we look back on it,
• 50:52
  Speaker 10: it really helped. Eric says it tremendously that it helped
• 50:55
  Speaker 10: him prolong his career. He wouldn't beat up when he
• 50:57
  Speaker 10: got there, so he was able to play longer, and so, yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: we could have been selfish, but we also recognized that
• 51:04
  Speaker 10: in the third and fourth quarter defenses were worn out.
• 51:08
  Speaker 10: And Eric and I say to each other on the sideline, Hey,
• 51:10
  Speaker 10: they're dragon, they're tired. We got him and you just
• 51:13
  Speaker 10: couldn't keep up with both of us. It's kind of weird, though,
• 51:15
  Speaker 10: isn't it.
• 51:15
  Speaker 17: I mean, like to your poke, Yeah, there's not too
• 51:17
  Speaker 17: many people who are the guy who are going and
• 51:21
  Speaker 17: some going to be the guy, and I the can
• 51:22
  Speaker 17: subjugate the ego, would say, I think it might be
• 51:24
  Speaker 17: better for the team, for our careers and everything physically.
• 51:28
  Speaker 18: Like that to split this.
• 51:29
  Speaker 10: We were friends. Had we not been friends, it would
• 51:32
  Speaker 10: have never worked. There, you go, It's truly. I mean,
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: we have never had one cross word with each other,
• 51:36
  Speaker 10: no bad thought, even to this day. And so other
• 51:40
  Speaker 10: than when he beats me really bad in golf, he's
• 51:42
  Speaker 10: a great golfer.
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: So the thing that I like about this is it
• 51:46
  Speaker 9: sort of starts in the reason why the Pony Express
• 51:49
  Speaker 9: is obviously a really interesting story for a lot of
• 51:51
  Speaker 9: reasons and a lot of people, but for the Patriots specifically,
• 51:55
  Speaker 9: Ron Meyer is there and he ends up coming to
• 51:57
  Speaker 9: New England, and we talked about a little bit like
• 52:01
  Speaker 9: it's like kind of like that first chapter of the
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: story for the Patriots, like Ron Meyer, what did he
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: mean to you, you know at SMU and then when
• 52:10
  Speaker 9: he when he ends up coming here and you eventually
• 52:13
  Speaker 9: come as well.
• 52:13
  Speaker 10: Ron Meyer was not an EXS and I xCE and
• 52:16
  Speaker 10: O guy. I mean, he knew he knew football, but
• 52:18
  Speaker 10: he was a talent guy, and he knew he knew
• 52:21
  Speaker 10: great assistant coaches, and he had a staff that was phenomenal.
• 52:24
  Speaker 10: Steve said, well, Dante Garnekia, there was a whole all
• 52:27
  Speaker 10: of them were world class coaches, assistant coaches, and he
• 52:31
  Speaker 10: made them make sure we knew what we were doing
• 52:33
  Speaker 10: as athletes. And he knew an athlete, and so he
• 52:35
  Speaker 10: knew what you could or could not do, and he'd
• 52:37
  Speaker 10: put you in position to have success. And so Ron
• 52:41
  Speaker 10: really had a you know, Unfortunately, him getting fired, you know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 10: led to Raymond Berry, which was a blessing for the organization.
• 52:48
  Speaker 10: But Ron got it started, you know, with the assistant
• 52:51
  Speaker 10: coaches that he brought in here, like Dante Scarnekia, who's
• 52:54
  Speaker 10: in the.
• 52:54
  Speaker 17: Team Hall of Fame, who's had an unbelievable career, Craig
• 52:58
  Speaker 17: could did you see some of that? Did you as
• 53:00
  Speaker 17: a kid who's played at college, did you see this
• 53:04
  Speaker 17: world class coaching staff? And then specifically what did Scar
• 53:06
  Speaker 17: help meet you for the two years that you and
• 53:08
  Speaker 17: Dante were together at SMU.
• 53:11
  Speaker 10: I don't think as a young athlete that you appreciate
• 53:13
  Speaker 10: what the coach is doing until that's not happening, and
• 53:17
  Speaker 10: then especially when you get down the road and you
• 53:19
  Speaker 10: can look back and reflect and say, well, why don't
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: we doing this? Nothing against the system when I came
• 53:23
  Speaker 10: in here as a rookie, but we had a really
• 53:26
  Speaker 10: hard time.
• 53:27
  Speaker 18: Very complicated pass protection scheme.
• 53:29
  Speaker 10: I've got sam, I've got strong safety, I've got that,
• 53:32
  Speaker 10: But if then I've got that, when you get a
• 53:34
  Speaker 10: football player thinking you've got problems.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: You got sacks.
• 53:37
  Speaker 10: And so Scar cleaned that up. He just said, look,
• 53:40
  Speaker 10: let's let's simplify this thing. Let's make sure we know
• 53:42
  Speaker 10: who we're going to block. If you can't do that,
• 53:45
  Speaker 10: then you can't be successful. So as I look back
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: on it now, the assistant coaches that Ron Meyer had
• 53:51
  Speaker 10: and that Raymond Berry had, that Belichick had, every one
• 53:54
  Speaker 10: of them had a job and a role and a responsibility.
• 53:57
  Speaker 10: They were really good at it. You got to have
• 53:59
  Speaker 10: Jimmy's to have the Joe's, but you got to have
• 54:01
  Speaker 10: the coaches.
• 54:02
  Speaker 9: So when you came out of SMU and decided to,
• 54:06
  Speaker 9: you know, to get into the draft, it was USFL first.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I think it was the Washington Federals. Yep. What was
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: behind that decision to go that zero.
• 54:16
  Speaker 10: I had been told by my agent that this USFL
• 54:19
  Speaker 10: was going to have a draft. A few days after
• 54:21
  Speaker 10: we played in the Cotton Bowl, I'd gone home to Houston.
• 54:24
  Speaker 10: I get a phone call from my agent. He says, Hey,
• 54:26
  Speaker 10: they select you the fourth player taken in the USFL draft. Wow, okay,
• 54:31
  Speaker 10: he said, we have to go to Washington out of respect.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Let's go up out of respect.
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: Within moments of being around this ownership group in Washington,
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: I realized they were very serious about what they were doing,
• 54:42
  Speaker 10: and it was it was significantly more money than I
• 54:45
  Speaker 10: would have been sloughed. I knew it was going to
• 54:46
  Speaker 10: be a first rounder in the NFL, or was projected
• 54:48
  Speaker 10: to be. But I was like, I like the idea
• 54:51
  Speaker 10: of pioneering, you know.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 54:53
  Speaker 18: It was a great spirit.
• 54:54
  Speaker 10: There was a ton of great football players obviously absolutely
• 54:56
  Speaker 10: went to the USF. Yeah, I'm glad that happened because
• 55:01
  Speaker 10: it led me to playing for New England had I
• 55:04
  Speaker 10: not played there where Ron then they started taking USFL
• 55:07
  Speaker 10: players in the seventh round so that they would have
• 55:10
  Speaker 10: the rights for US if that league boobs. Yeah, and
• 55:14
  Speaker 10: to thank God that I was able to get away
• 55:16
  Speaker 10: from there and to play for the New England Patriots.
• 55:19
  Speaker 10: So it was a blessing and now great moments in.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: History. Good lobster bisk is sex is like sex for
• 55:29
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• 55:29
  Speaker 6: I do remember saying that. I do remember saying.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: That I don't.
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: But that's even funnier.
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: Than is like sex for your throat.
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: Plus I was Dan, Yeah, don't.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't doubt Dan. If you're looking for a good
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  Speaker 2: lobster bisc on the Cape, the Daniel Webster in Sandwich
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  Speaker 2: has an excellent.
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  Speaker 19: Okay lobster bisc You have the place down the cape.
• 55:55
  Speaker 19: Oh yeah for everything. Well, if you haven't noticed, they
• 55:58
  Speaker 19: eat out a lot because I don't cook. But my
• 56:02
  Speaker 19: wife doesn't really particularly enjoy it either, so we eat
• 56:06
  Speaker 19: out a lot.
• 56:07
  Speaker 8: But yeah, my wife and I eat out a lot too.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I enjoy the whole thing about eating out.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: I do you know, I like to sitting down, getting
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: a drink, placing the water.
• 56:20
  Speaker 9: I just like, you know what I really like when
• 56:23
  Speaker 9: I'm like a like a Saturday night, especially in the summer,
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: if it's nice out, you get to a place on
• 56:28
  Speaker 9: the water and your table's not ready, and you go
• 56:32
  Speaker 9: to the bar and have you know, maybe a couple
• 56:34
  Speaker 9: of drinks while you're waiting for your table. Yeah, And
• 56:36
  Speaker 9: that that to me is like, see, I don't cut
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  Speaker 9: this a couple offs.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I don't like that for.
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  Speaker 6: Me, I don't like it.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: I don't like having to be in a place where
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I know I'm going to have to move as soon
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: as they call my name. I like to just be
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: where I'm going to be and settle in. You fat,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: that's not about lazy.
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: I don't want to move.
• 56:54
  Speaker 17: That's another great moment from all.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Right back here and page It's unfiltered A five to five.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Pats five hundred is the hotline podcast at Patriots dot
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  Speaker 2: com is the email address talking about a bunch of stuff,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: leadership and free agents, and as I said before the break,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Paul has an extensive.
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: List there are a lot of it.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Of all the free agents we started talking about edge rushers,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: now you have them in alphabetical order, not by ability. Well,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: we don't care about whose whose name begins with A.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: We want to know who.
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: I have them ranked by position too. But there's there's
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: a lot of veterans on. You know, the big names
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: are veterans, So those aren't veterans on your own time,
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: like the Joey Bosa's and the Kyle van Nois of
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: the world. No one's really interested in those guys, you know.
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: Aj Epanessa kind of been a disappointment in Buffalo, Joe Tryon,
• 57:49
  Speaker 9: Trey Hendrickson, big name on the list, obviously. Evan talked
• 57:53
  Speaker 9: about a few a few other guys that that could
• 57:57
  Speaker 9: be of interest. One of them as Kingsley nig if
• 58:02
  Speaker 9: I'm pronouncing, I think it's right.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Yep, Arnold Gay, I don't think he's he's here. Yeah,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: he's there, He's he was Penn Stake guy. Uh, yeah,
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: he's he's a good player. I'd be interested in him.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: He's kind of like their type, you know, hard charging
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: edge rusher, gets up the field, like you know, has
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: a good speed off the ball and not not a
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: He's more of a you know, situational pass rusher for
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: a lot of teams, but not a type of guy
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: that you're going to get to, like set the edge
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: and stop the run.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: You want him to get up the field.
• 58:38
  Speaker 9: There's a few other names here that I you know,
• 58:42
  Speaker 9: kind of been disappointments, but high draft it, like Quitty Pay.
• 58:45
  Speaker 9: You know, I'm thinking of guys that are kind of
• 58:47
  Speaker 9: still young and they're available, probably because they haven't necessarily
• 58:53
  Speaker 9: been home runs for their team. Oda Fame Olway who
• 58:56
  Speaker 9: got traded from Baltimore to the Chargers last year.
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: You know, those guys are somewhat intriguing to me.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:07
  Speaker 9: Like I said, there's a ton of a ton of
• 59:09
  Speaker 9: veterans on this list too that I wouldn't be necessarily interested.
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: You know, Jayden Phillips, Jalen Phillips in Philadelphia went to
• 59:16
  Speaker 9: Miami to Philly. Another guy fifty year five years in
• 59:20
  Speaker 9: in Evans, guy boy A Mafe, another young guy.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of names.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Like Boyfe to me, be Day, I'm going to butcher
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: his name all off season. Those guys are like coming
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: off their rookie contracts.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, A Dalyss Thomas.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're like twenty six ish, you know, like
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: they're right off their very sweet contract. They're not talking
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: about signing like Joey Bosa, for example, who's in his
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: thirties already. We're talking about guys that are hopefully kind
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: of like Chason, you know, a guy that that may
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: be a sending and might have his best football still.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: So a guy that's not on the list because he's
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: not a free agent but he's been in trade talks
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: is of course. Uh Max Crosby Yeah, and uh, you know,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Albert Breer reported and he's not the only one. I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: guess he sat down with Raiders and they had a,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: you know, a good talk. But Albert Breer says he
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: thinks he's more liable to believe than ever. I disagree.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: I think he's more liable to stay than ever with
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: the Raiders.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: How many more times is he going to go through
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: a Raiders rebuild? Like this has got to be his
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: third or fourth coach? I mean, McDaniel's Pete Carroll, Quinn
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: kubi act. There's got to be at least one more
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: before that, right, Antonio Pierce. Antonio Pierce, and there's another
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: one before.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 9: That yeah, the filling guy, the guy that the guy
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 9: that Antonio Piers replaced.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Though, is that it was that?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 9: I think he was just an interesting Yeah, I'm talking
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 9: about like but yes, they went to the playoffs.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: With Derek Carr.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Earlier on in Derek Carr's career. But I mean, like
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: how many more regime Chan.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Played.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, I just think at some point, you.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: Know, now is the time to sell him to you
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: still get high high pick for him. I feel like,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: you know, a couple of years from now, he's going
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: to start be on the backside, right.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Max and Mike and Groveland said, would your guys prefer
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson over trading assets for Max Crosby.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 7: No, I would trade assets John Gruden, John Gruden and
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: Jack del Rio.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I think played for Jack del Rio for like a year.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: It's like five coaches easily for Max Crosby.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, change the scenery. It's time.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: Sick of Vegas. I don't know I take him though.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: I think it's the kind of movie you gotta make.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: You got to make at least one or two of those.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Everyone's you know points to when Rabel coached him in
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl. They got to know each other and uh,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Max Crosby was saying, you know, he was a real
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: good dude, And.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: I mean the fit is obvious across the board of
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: you know, on the field, off the field, and that's
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: what you got to do this offseason. You got to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: make this team better on paper. I know that doesn't
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: always count for what you think it's going to count for,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: but I think you have to come out of this
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: free agency period feeling like they got a couple dudes
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: on the team.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: I think you just have to figure out like if
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: is that because that's going to be your big swing,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: Like if you go out and trade a first round
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: pack for Max Crosby, that's your splash, that's your move.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: And making that on defense when the offense just couldn't
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: move the ball the entire playoff run, Really, like is
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: that really where the big.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: What do you think his market will be?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Because right now we have the thirty first pick in
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: the first round, Right are there other teams with higher
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: first round picks? Who a would be willing to give
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: up that pick and be looking for somebody like Max Crosby,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Like who's our competition?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 9: So, according to Breer, he indicated that virtually the entire
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 9: league is over real, has looked in.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you know, yeah, looked into it.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: A player of that caliber, everybody's going to be interested.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I want him for Buffalo Singers and
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: I want him for here. But I think both their
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: edges are out. With Bosa's up and the other guy
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: you mentioned that they drafted out their other edge, I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: mean they need yeah.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I just like I said, like, if
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: you're really thinking about it, what were the reasons why
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: they they didn't finish the job and win the Super Bowl?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: It wasn't pass rush, it was offense offense.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: And so if that is not only the big swing
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: you're doing by trading thirty one, but you're also paying
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: him top dollar at the top of the market, does
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: that help Drake may put up points.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah, And I'm glad you mentioned that because I think
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 9: last week I had mentioned that he had I think
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 9: a thirty million I think he's on the books for
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 9: thirty million base salary, and I thought he had one
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 9: more year of guaranteed. But I think I'm wrong on that.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 9: I think I had the year mixed up. I saw
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 9: something over the weekend in ESPN that the guaranteed money
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 9: is through, So it is you know, the chance that
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 9: you could make that trade and maybe rework something, you know,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 9: to to lower the cap number, But it's gonna I
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 9: don't think you're gonna lower the that you're paying him.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 8: I'm just talking about the cap number.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think you bring up a good point.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: And it's what I've been thinking about a lot, is
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: what is the most direct route and easiest route to
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: upgrade for Drake?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: You know? Do you do?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: You do?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: You say, if we just protect this kid, you know
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: we're gonna be okay. Maybe we don't have to at
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: this point make the huge swing on a thirty something
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: year old receiver to give him that number one? Do
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: you focus on the offensive liner? You know, I've been saying,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: look at tight end two? You know, is there a
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: developmental way to find a player who can become a
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: significant weapon for Drake May and that second tight ends.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: But I think when you.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Look at tight end wide receivers an offensive line, you
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: have to say we could use upgrades everywhere. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: how can you not?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 9: And I don't want a thirty something guy, but I
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 9: want an upgraded receiver.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just how who you know, it's just so hard.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 7: It's like it's great to say it would be great
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: to get jamar Ches, but you know, like this is
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: what this five.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 9: But I think you can upgrade with different guys that
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 9: don't necessarily have to be at that caliber. And I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 9: think you need to keep keep drafting. Yeah, and I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: think you need to keep taking your swings and see
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 9: if you can find somebody like everybody else seems to
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 9: find that really hits in those day two per So in.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: McDaniel's scheme, is it worth sacrificing maybe a little bit
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: of top end talent with high end smarts football IQ
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: in the wide receiver position.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 8: I mean I need I need Mike's dudes.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: We need players. Yeah, you need guys with talent.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: I think a bigger question is is what kind of
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: receiver are you looking for? Are you looking to replace
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs ones and like, are you looking for a
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: guy that can play a little bit probably more on
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: the inside and run routes inside the middle of the field,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: or you're looking for a guy that's going to take
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: the top off, or you're looking for, you know, Denzel
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Boston in the draft, just a big body, you know,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: X receiver that's going to catch everything thrown his way. Like,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: what exactly are you looking for in terms of type?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Is that mcdaniels's call is that Drake May's skill set
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: and trying to fit it to Drake May's skill set?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Can we start with someone who gets open consistently and
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: catches the ball and then figure it out later? Well,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: but I think, I mean, do we have to like
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: fit in a guy?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: So the only way that that works though, it's like
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: if you start to get into that, you're talking about
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: proven commodities like trading for aj Brown, which like no
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: one's going to sit here and say no to and
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: no one's going to be confused as to where he's
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: going to play and all that.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: Like, you get Aj Brown, you figure it out.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: But when you start to talk about the draft and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: you start talking about drafting a guy thirty one, like
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: the type of receiver and the system fit and all
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff matters because the talent isn't going
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: to be off the charts. It's not Jamar Chase that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: you know, in the top five of the draft, So
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: you have to start to think about you know, how
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: does this player fit into the puzzle? You know, I
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: think there's two different guys right at the back end
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: of the first round that are vastly different types of
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: skill sets. In Boston in case he's a conceptsy home
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: from A and M Like, those are two very different
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: types of players. So are you looking for like the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: separator the explosive receiver because that's more Casey concepts on?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: Are you looking for a bigger, better.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: Kind of version of Mac Collins and that's more Denzel
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Boston And you kind of have to figure out which
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: one is the type that you want to fit it.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, eldredge Eldred is in North Carolina? What's up, Eldrid
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: explosive receiver? We get him in now?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 20: Yeah, Hey, well, I mean, uh, last week I didn't
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 20: hear what you was talking about, but I did, uh
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 20: went back and played the thing. Thanks Danny for the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 20: shout out, Nick and Pocono. You bout the dumb as
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 20: the box of rocks. It ain't got no coming since
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 20: God give a great Okay, I love it when it
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 20: comes to wide receivers, bring your ass on the wide
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 20: receivers I talk about they just don't run straight line
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 20: they run all the routes. And I've been saying that
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 20: this two nineteen really for fifteen years, when we even
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 20: we had Brady. You need somebody outside, like but they
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 20: were saying explosives, catch and separate, that's all they want.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 12: Can do that.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 20: But like I said, if you used to Jiff Tim
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 20: Bank listening to everybody instead of doing your own homework,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 20: keep yours on the sideline they go. Because I do
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 20: watch college football, and I do watch Get the Scout
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 20: Repard and if you're smart enough google it draft class,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 20: you need to tell you about all the robb receives,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 20: the weakness in they strip. And that's all I gotta say.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: All right, love it, Eldred.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: That's about as fired up as I've seen.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 9: Eldred loves his wide receivers. Oh yeah, don't don't come
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 9: to him with wide receiver talk if you're not prepared.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: The kid from Tennessee is talented.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: They they run a really bizarre college style offense where
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: every all the receivers are like outside receivers have these
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: max splits where they're way outside the numbers, like almost
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: on the sideline.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: They all run like.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: Three routes like so it's like really hardy. Yeah to
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: like now, this kid, I think is maybe a little
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: bit better than that. They also run like routes purposely
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: where they're not running full speed and they're like to
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: do that. So like you watch the tape and you're like,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: why is this guy dogging this route? And it's actually
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: like what he's being told to do. It's just a
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: bizarre offense and it's kind of hard to do.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: If I was an offensive coordinator, I would never have
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: my receiver lineup next to the sideline.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, like they are literally hugging.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: I would never do that. Like you've now told me
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: you can only go one way, you know, like why would.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: You do that?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: Because they just spread the field.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: That's so style of offense that they run. But it's
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: very effective at the college game, but the translation from
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: the college to the pros is next to nothing. Like
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: there's no you're really looking at traits of like is
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: he big as he fast can catch the ball?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: I think that's one of the toughest jobs for these
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: scouts is the you know, figuring out the projection of
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: the wide receivers to the pro game.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 7: They screwed up all the it's so hard the professional
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: screw it up as much as we do.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: That's what's fascinating.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: But you know, have you said something about like puzzle
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: pieces and to me, it's like, and we touched on
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: this last week.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: It's but it's like, how do you pull up.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: Some of these puzzle pieces that you are already have
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 7: down on the board because basically the second tight end
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: position is open. Otherwise, I mean, everybody else is under contract.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 7: You can bring back the same offense essentially if you
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: want to.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: How do you not do that?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: How do you you like Keishamboudi? You like Pop Douglas?
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 7: Do you love them?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: It's just it's some hard work.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Can you do better?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: And and and is it we're just going to bring
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: some guys in and we're going to compete. Or if
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 7: you do Paul sing or it's purposeful and you get
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 7: a number one and it's clear that this guy is
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: going to play, you know, does that open up to
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: a trade or you know, I just it's it's hard
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: to navigate how they how.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 9: They I've been starting to like kind of talk myself
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 9: into the idea of like a guy like Galled Pierce, And.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: To Evan's point, like.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 9: And I'm not saying that Alec Pearce is like would
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 9: be a number one on every team in the league.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 9: He probably isn't. He could know, but I think his
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 9: skill set matches. Drake says, yep, but this is a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 9: guy that would play on the outside here. So maybe
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 9: then if you lost Diggs and you had you know,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 9: Pierce isn't replacing Digs, right, so you have to take
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 9: mac Collins and use him as.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 8: Sort of your slap duye.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 9: You know, more full time who is probably better in
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 9: the run game and can do some different things. And
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 9: Josh talks about that stuff all the time with how
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 9: Mac Collins fills a lot of chess piece as a
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: chess piece. So I mean kind of talking myself, but
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 9: that's not going to be easy to do. He's going
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 9: to be, you know, a sought after guy, and he's
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 9: going to require a good salary.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: He's going to hit them open market. He might and
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: he might not. He might not. I would be shocked
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: if the Colts don't do something.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 9: They went they went to Great Lance, it was last
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: year or two years ago with Michael Pittman, and they
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 9: made sure that they held on to him so they
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 9: could do the same thing with Peers.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't want to hear anymore, Oh he
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: ran the wrong route. Oh he didn't come back for
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: the ball. Oh you know he cut this route short.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear that anymore.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: It happens with everything I know, but I want to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: limit that. Yeah, but I mean it's just like, you know,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: why does Drake may miss the throw?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Like everything I'd rather have that then the receiver runs
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: the wrong way.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: I know, But I'm just saying, like every team, like
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: like the receivers aren't going to run perfect routes every
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: single time, so there's always going to be nitpicks about
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: routes and did he stem it right? Did he break
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: at the right angle? Did he run it at the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: right depth? Like these are all the details that get
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: really lost.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: And like along those lines, like to further complicate your point, Paul,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 7: is do you save some space for a guy like
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 7: Kyle Williams to improve and maybe have a chance to
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: play that role, or you know, do you get Alec Pearson.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: Then all of a sudden, it's like, you know, we
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: don't really need Kyle Williams on the outside, you know
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: what I mean, that's that's the interesting juggling kind of
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: thing you gotta do.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 9: You know when people always say, like, I don't know
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: why you guys talk about this stuff. You don't have
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 9: all the information. Yeah, no, we don't. Like that's information
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 9: that the coaching staff has right now. They have a
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: better idea of what Kyle Williams is and what it
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 9: might be in twenty six than we do for sure.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 9: But yeah, if they project him and they say, you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 9: know this guy, this guy was coming on. He it
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 9: took him a little while to understand everything. Once he did,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 9: he was a better player. He didn't have a lot
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 9: of opportunities. But we think he's going to be this
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: in twenty six by all means.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, But again, if they have that kind of belief,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 7: another balls leap of faith that you've got to make
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 7: on a number.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: But you got to.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe you got to move on from some.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 7: Of these guys that did play well for the last
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 7: year because you need to take a half step forward to.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 9: I would be very surprised if they came with anything
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: close to status quo on offense.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: I mean the receivers that the two easiest ones are
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: the guys from the twenty three draft who are going
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: to be up at the end of next year, Like
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: they're on the last year of their rookie contract.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: So like pop In Ksehanlu.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 8: One of those guys isn't going to be here.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: You know, you ask me, maybe they're Tray Kennedy.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: I just I think that a big thing to me
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: is like they have to figure out how they also,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: like what kind of offensive identity do they want to be?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: Do they want to be We're going to put Drake
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: May in the shotgun and we're spreading the field and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: we're going to be the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's going
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: to be great receivers on the outside with a great quarterback.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: Do they want to be able to run the ball
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: a little bit more effectively than they did last year?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: And you know that's going to mean you know, probably
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: getting a tight end that can block a little bit
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: better in line. You know, receivers that are a little
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: bit bigger and more physical, kind of like the Rams
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: forty nine ers types of receivers.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: You know, those are all questions that you.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: Know they have to answer that only they can answer
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: about like what kind of offense do they want to be?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: You know, I think that matters a lot too in
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: terms of when you start to talk about the type
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: of receivers you're going to target.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: Make you guys get that sense with Brady as you
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 7: were going along of like as three O four, that
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: he was having more input into what they were doing.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: Both well, I think those are played with Those were
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: the times where he was meeting weekly with Bill.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: I mean certainly not six right, I would say yes
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: and no.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 9: I think he did have a say, and I think
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 9: a lot of times they said, yeah that that's great,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: too great, but you can.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 8: Do more with lesson you'll like it.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: Until I finally bought them down and it cost them
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: a title, and then they went out and got everybody
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 9: right and O seven you know, I mean it was
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 9: they got they got a slot guy, they got a
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 9: dynamic outside guy, they got a backup dynamic outside guy.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 8: They got a tight end.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: Like the O seven fre Agency class was like.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: Real play, you know, three receivers, a little spread in
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: the field and all that stuff. Like I know a
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: lot of people want them to go heavier and put
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: multiple tight ends on the field and receivers that can
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: block and try to be more like the Shanahan Tree
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: offenses where you're scripting runoff of pass and marrying those
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: things together. But you know that right now, I feel
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: like they kind of I don't know what exactly that
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: answer is to be you know, effective as of both
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: a run offense and a pass offense, because they got
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: very eleven like three receiver heavy, pass heavy, you know,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: towards the end of the season, especially where a lot
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: of it was kind of on Drake May to kind
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: of make things happen, and I think they would probably
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: want to be a little bit more under center play action,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: you know, that sort of thing than they were towards
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: the end.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Uh. Onto the phones. Uh, Todd's in North Carolina.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: What's up?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 9: Todd?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 21: Hey, guys. Let me start by apologizing to Fred because
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 21: I sent in an email. I was pretty hot after
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 21: the Super Bowl and I was kind of grogey.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 12: I'm still a little upset.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 21: I thought maybe I was unjustified, which is why I
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 21: took some time off and didn't calling you guys. But
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 21: I've been listening to people. They didn't put Will and
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 21: Drake in positions to succeed, and then considering they're both injured,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 21: they didn't do anything for them, and it was upsetting me.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 21: It was like, why are you putting these guys in
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 21: there who definitely are our future one way or the
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 21: other and leaving them just hanging. And that's really what happened,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 21: and it was very frustrating to just see the struggles
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 21: of those guys because that's our future. And now on
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 21: to the next point of the future. I was listening
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 21: to a lot of people and Chris Canty said, you know,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 21: the one thing the Pats have to do is be careful.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 21: Don't become Chicago. Don't think you just need one or
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 21: two players and you're there. Stick keep doing the drafting young,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 21: find you know a way to keep your team growing,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 21: kind of like the Rams do and some of these
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 21: other teams. Don't try to fill everything in free agency
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 21: and get these guys, build young and up because that
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 21: way you have a core and your team can flourish,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 21: not just for one or two years, but can keep going.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 21: So those are my two points.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: I'll let you guys discuss, all right, thinks I can
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: anyone disagree?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: That's the universal truth.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 9: Keeps didn't do that, would I would disagree with that.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 9: I don't care how you build it, just well I
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 9: get good players.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: You need you need to draft?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 9: Well yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, everybody, just then
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 9: keep your draft picks so you can be good forever.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 8: No, that's not really how it.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: Works, especially when you're picking thirty one.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 17: Five.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 8: Like what did Chicago do?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: I don't know their roster?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 8: And is that bad?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: I mean they did like clos and Love is a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: good player, but so is Luther Burton. Yeah, I think
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: that they. I'm kind of more unpulsized the street, like.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: I just find good players.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: I also just like hear a lot of how like
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: the roster is still like really far away, and I'm like,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: I don't oh, I don't think.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: No, I don't agree.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you have said that last year?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: And then and then they went out and turned over
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: forty percent of the roster and had a whole new team, right,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: And I think they already did that, like they we've
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: already done that chapter.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: But that means that they're not that far away.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 9: Right, So yeah, I woul I would agree with that
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 9: they're not that far away. But I to Todd's point here,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 9: So it's going to sound like I'm being hypocritical, But
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 9: where I agree with Todd is you did that last year.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 9: Evan's right, they turned over almost half the roster. So
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 9: you can't expect that that's going to be good going
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 9: forward because those guys that you brought in are like
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 9: kind of in their prime, so they're going to be
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 9: heading to the backside. So you need to get some
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 9: younger guys. Like Brabel said, you need younger, cheaper, better alternatives.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 9: But I don't just have to draft them, is what
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 9: I'm saying. You know, I rattled off a couple of
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 9: four and five year guys in the league that I
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 9: think would be good players. If you can replace a
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 9: Harold Landry with a younger version of Harold Landry, it
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 9: doesn't have to be a draft pick.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, like that's just an example.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: I just think it's really like and look, it happens,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: and guys slip through the cracks all the time. But
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: like when you're picking thirty one and you're picking at
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: the end of every single round, so it's going to say,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: it's really hard to sit here and say, what does
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: draft pro bowlers guys like?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: You know, if you it's that easy.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 9: People look at this draft and first let me just
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 9: stay for the record, I'm still sort of I do
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 9: what I always do in the draft, whether it's go
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 9: to a bad initially and I let it play out
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 9: a little bit before I just determine everything. But you
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 9: got a bunch of guys who played a lot this year,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 9: you picked fourth, like to Evan's point, now you're picking
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 9: thirty first in every round. It gets a little harder
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 9: to like come up with eight guys that are going
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 9: to play a lot.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: Draft all pros.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Well, just draft all pros.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: That's and that as I just want to think of it.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 7: No, and then that's it's if you're willing to say
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 7: we're in a position to draft like potential right tackle
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: replacement or a potential defensive end replacement. You go in
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 7: with that attitude of we're now in the system where
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 7: we have a pretty good team, but we have to
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 7: keep stalking the shelves of the positions. To your point,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 7: the free agents last year that you signed. If you
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 7: go into a thinking we're getting a starter at thirty one,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: I don't, you know.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: You can't. That's why you need to supplement with the
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: free agency. You gotta find talent this year in free agency.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 9: Right, and I think it's going to be hard to
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 9: do because I don't think they're going to be as
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 9: active and aggressive in free agency as they were last
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 9: year for obvious reasons. I mean, they spend a ton
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 9: of money, yep in free agency last year.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: But I just think that you just got to look
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: at it like now, like exactly how Raybel talked about
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: it on All Access last week of like they have
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: a foundation, like they've built the foundation of the house
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: and now they're refurbishing. They're finishing the base man addition, right,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: that's what we're doing.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: We're we're not.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: Going into this to make wholesale changes to the team
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: where you know they have to turn over forty percent
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: of the roster. Again, you go out there, you you
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: you'd go and you shop for the appliances and you
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: you know, finish the basement and you do all the
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: hang the flat screens on the wall, and you know,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: make it a home like you know, and that that's
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: what they're looking for now.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: And I think in the draft, dudes nailed it.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: Like those are supposed to be picks that are for
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: future two to three year projections. When you start talking
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: especially about days two and three, like maybe at thirty
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: one they could draft a player that's going to contribute
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: right away.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: But on all likelihood, you're looking.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: At a lot of guys that we're going to draft
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: a developmental tight end, We're going to draft a developmental
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: right tackle, We're going to draft, you know, a guy
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: on the offensive line that we think might be able
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: to play left guard, you know, or or tackle or whatever.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 18: You like.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 8: Those did it before he lost it?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was able to. I mean, you know, stay
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: ahead of the.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 9: Two whatever, you know, like Bill was able to do
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 9: it there for a while in the in the yachts. Yeah,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 9: then when you turned into the you know, the teams
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 9: like it did just didn't go with well.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 7: That's the only exception I would say is that you
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: never know who's going to fall through the cracks at
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 7: thirty one. And there might be you know, it's a
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: great edge classes said, there might be a guy, but
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 7: my expectation for an edge guy at thirty one.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: But you're the third guy. You're the destiny of pass rusher.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 7: You're going to bring some young juice on early downs,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 7: kind of like what pondered did earlier this year. But
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 7: you know that that to me is what's interesting. Something
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 7: somebody falls the something that occurred to me.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: You know, when you're drafting low in the first round,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: and like you said, they hit on Mankins. They also
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: had Dante Scarnek as their offensive line coach.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: So do you weigh that, say, where's my strength and coaching?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like, am I going to have more higher
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: percentage of succeeding with that draft pick knowing that I'm
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: putting him with my best coach And.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Hard to say. On the offensive side of the ball,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: I'd say right now, I mean I.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 7: Feel good about the quarterback situation, but I mean, what
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: do we really know about these guys. I mean, Robert
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: Kugler left to to go tight ends for the coach,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: tight ends for the Steelers.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: It's a good question.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: I don't know on the offensive side of the ball,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: what you would feel with Dante Scarnaki. I mean maybe
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: if Moron sticks around, you feel like that, But they
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: haven't earned that kind of like it'll be fine.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: We got Doug Maroon to coach him up yet, I
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: mean maybe he is that.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: I think you're more like optimistic about like they have
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: systems on both sides of the ball that they know
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: inside and out, and so like you can watch guys
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: now and prepare for the draft and say, this guy's
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: going to fit a role, this guy's going to fit
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: what we want them to do, which makes it so
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: much easier to kind of streamline it. Like I was
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: watching Paul was making fun of me for watching the
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: Toledo safety, But after I watched the Toledo safety, I
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: watched the kid from Oregon. It's a really good safety
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: as well, and that I was watching him, you know,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: match routes and quarters and care you know, play the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: post and blitz and stuff, you know, fit the run,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, these are all things that Patriot's safeties do.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: This is exactly what they asked Craig Woodson and Jalen
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: Hawkins to do every single week.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: And that makes it so much easier.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: And I think one of the reasons why, you know,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: towards the end with Bill but also with the drid
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: Mao year, they didn't know what they wanted, Like, they
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: didn't know what kind of system they were trying to
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: fit it into. They didn't have a vision for like
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: this is a safety for Mike Rabel. This is a
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: defensive end for Mike Rabel. And now when you start
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: to watch these guys you can really get a feel
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: for that.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: I felt that way with Keldric Fauk.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: That kid, I'm like everything you know, stand up a
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 7: little bit, he's hand down. I mean just everything you
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 7: saw those defensive ends this year. Do you can see
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 7: him do on his tape?
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: R Mason Thomas, He's a night just like screamer athletic
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: comes off the Edgewood, great first step, like exactly the
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: type you know, Chason Landry, like those types of players
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: six two two fifty like that. That's that's what they're
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: looking for now at that position, and I think that
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: helps a lot.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Casius Howell, that's another one too. That guy just
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna be gone, but all right, never know.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: Sabbah in North Carolina, bring it?
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 21: Uh?
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Oh? Are we okay to Drake?
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 22: Hey, gentlemen, I'm gonna try to say calm today. I
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 22: just want to retract my Drake may may have had
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 22: irreparable damage comment. I liked that other collar.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 10: Earlier.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 22: I was a little bit losing my head. I was
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 22: so frustrated at how you guys didn't help Drake. But
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 22: I got a few things, if you'll bear with me.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 22: Think about Patrick Mahomes got killed in the Super Bowl
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 22: against Tampa when he had an offensive line, they were injured,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 22: and then got killed again against Philly. No one says
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 22: that that guy's bad. Jim Kelly got killed three times
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 22: once by my Redskins. John l We got killed twice
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 22: once by my Redskins. And then people are saying that
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 22: Drake May should never have gotten DP. It would have
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 22: been embarrassing. Is bad game he had? Well watch you
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 22: talk to Droe Theisman about that when he won the
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 22: MVP and got slaughtered against the Raiders, and he played
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 22: horrible that game. So an MBP is a regular season award.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 22: So the next thing I want to say is, y'all
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 22: don't care about wide receiver. I don't care about defensive lineman.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 22: I don't care about Max cra I'll want linemen as
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 22: they stayed in my big Frank Wee wedding. You know,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 22: the man that would be Drake is the head, but
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 22: the wife the office of lineman of the neck, and
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 22: they make the head turn in when they want it.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 22: So without the offensive line, Drake May is got going
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 22: to be anything. So we need to do something. So
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 22: looked up a couple of names free agencies Brian Brandon Smith,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 22: Indianapolis six. He's twenty nine years old, came out of Auburn.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 22: He's a free agent. And Jonah Williams he's out of Alabama.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 22: He's a tackle and he is six foot five and
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 22: he's twenty eight years old. I want y'all falts on
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 22: that because we need to fix the line.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: You notice how said we right, Yeah, we're on it together,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: thanks Abo.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: Jonah Williams had a series of injuries towards the end
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: of this chapter of his career that I have done that.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: Brandon Smith's a good player, plays right tackle, short arm,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: right tackle. Both both Colts tackles actually have short arms,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: but he's he's a right tackle. I'm still I think
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: the best move for them to make in the off
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: season on the offensive line is a left guard. I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: think I would invent and sign a veteran left guard
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: to come into play next to Campbell. Have Jared Wilson
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: and Garrett Bradberry duke it out for center.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Split those two guys up.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: Give Campbell a kind of a security blanket next to him.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: A guy that's been there, done that, you know. David
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: Edwards from Buffalo is one guy that I circle. You know,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: as a free agent target. Joe Tooney got traded last offseasons,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: so who knows what veteran guard might be available. But
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: you know, if you said a guy like Brandon Smith,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: he's replacing Morgan Moses, which like you could do. I
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: just don't know if that's really fixing shuffling.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: Ye get a little younger and.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 9: One more tacko I want. Yeah, you guys, Rashid Walker
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 9: from Green Bay.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he plays. He played on the left side for them.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: You know, like maybe maybe he's another guy that you
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: could bring into play right. I don't know if he's
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: done it before. I don't believe so, But I'm looking
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: at the interior offensive line. I think it's a little
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: bit premature to start shaking up the tackles.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: You know, if they can get a left guard that
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: seasoned veteran knows what he's doing.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 7: You know, and they maybe give me a day two tackle,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 7: you know, give me a right right tackle developmental, but
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: somebody you know that maybe Marcus Bryant develops. But somebody
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 7: in the pipeline that you feel good about, You feel
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: good about their size.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: And you know that you can work with for a year.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: Couple of guys at the back end of the first
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: round at tackle that could be interesting to them too.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: Most of them play left. The kid from Clemson, it
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: was interesting he.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Plays right, Blake Miller.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he like started every game going back to
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: his freshman year and didn't opt out of the bowl game.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: It's kind of one of those program type of guys.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah. And what is it's eleven picks? Right?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: So he had too many?
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: They have like seven?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: They have four six round picks right now.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Many?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, So I want they have two four, seven or
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 9: seven or three picks whatever it is.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 8: I want half of those on offensive linemen.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like well, because I mean like.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 9: Just three, four or five guys and hopefully one or
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 9: two of them in two years are ready to play.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 9: There's a lot of Day three offensive linemen starting in
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 9: the NFL. It's the one spot that you legitimately can
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 9: can draft and develop and they start and they're good starters.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 7: And even for the long term plan. I mean when
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: you this will be his last year of his deal.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: I mean I've seen some people suggesting the Patriot should
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 7: extend him and redo his deal. I don't know about that,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: but you know, just in terms of planning for like,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 7: I like to look at who are the free agents
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 7: next year? These are the guys you need to draft
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 7: this year to be ready to offset those losses.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: Morgan, Moses, Michael one, you're going to be out.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: I just like, if you want to make the argument
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: that you could get younger than Morgan Moses, that's fine.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: I just don't look at this market and say you're
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: going to upgrade more than Moses.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: You're just going to kind of shuffle things, right.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: So it's like, Okay, so it's a different name that
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: didn't lose the Super Bowl, so we like him better,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: you know, And I don't know if he's actually any better.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Santo is a clinical PhD in clinical psychology, so I
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: want to read this email. He says. If there is
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: one word I hate in sports talk, it's confidence.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: Confidence is a totally useless feeling. It's like a fair
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: weather friend.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: When things are going well, it shows up, but when
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: things are going south, it disappears. A better term should
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: be competence. That is not a feeling, but it's level
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: of skill. Can you throw the ball deep ball and
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: on target? Can you block well enough to keep the quarterback,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: pocket clean? Can you catch the ball that is a
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: little behind you? All these questions can be answered because
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: they speak to measurable behaviors. Drake May is only twenty three.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: From the perspective of a seventy one year old man. Here,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: he's still a baby. Why should he be a leader
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: at this stage of his career just because he's the QB.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Leadership skills take time to grow and develop. Give it time.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: I think when Fred talks about being a cold blooded killer,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: he might mean set aside emotions and execute your skills mechanically.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: If so, I agree, And by the way, that is
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: also a measurable skill, a psychological one that could be developed.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: I know I've worked with Olympics athletes to develop this skill.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: I've been a fan of the Patriots dating back to
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: when they were kicked out of Fenway Park. First game
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: I saw in real life was played at Harvard Stadium.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: The Chargers killed them. Later the Jets with Joe Namath
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: destroyed them, and I later found out Joe was drunk
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: while doing it. He killed the Patriots and he was drunk.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 8: Okay, I don't agree with a lot of that.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: WHOA like it?
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 9: I mean, I have all the respect in the world
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 9: for someone who obviously is doing these things for a living.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 8: But there's no such thing as confidence.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 9: Like, if you're confident that you can make a play,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 9: you don't think that increases your ability to make that
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 9: your chances to make that play.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: I think what he's saying is your confidence comes from
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: your competence.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 9: No, I know, but so these guys all have the
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 9: competence to play at a certain level that got them
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 9: in the professional ranks. So when things are going badly,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 9: sometimes people lose confidence and it makes their job of
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 9: turning it around more difficult. But guys that maintain their
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 9: confidence by saying I just missed twelve three pointers in
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 9: a row, and I'm a great shooter and I'm going
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 9: to make the next twelve have a better chance of
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 9: making the next shot than the guy that says this
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 9: just ain't my day.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 8: I am. I can't throw it in the ocean today.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 8: I think that that matters.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 9: Now A lot of people will look black and white
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 9: and say, no, it doesn't. It's all about whether or
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 9: not you make the next one. There's no you don't
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 9: have a better chance or a worst chance depending on
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 9: your mindset.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 8: Doesn't have anything.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: So where does the confident I believe that it does.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 6: Where does the confidence come from?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: I think this is a chicken or the egg argument, right, yeah, yes,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: and so I don't know.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: That's why I kind of in the middle.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: Of someone who's never had success probably doesn't have as
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: much confidence as someone who's seen success. But again, we've
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: done it before. Even though I'm having a bad day,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: I know I can do this.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 9: But we were dealing with a baseline of ability where
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 9: people have all had success. The worst player in the
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 9: NFL has had more successful days playing football than the
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 9: average Joe. Okay, the worst player in the NFL has
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 9: had more success than the average Joe. So he come
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 9: in with a level of confidence that he can do this,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 9: But does he think he can do it consistently against
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 9: the best? And if he doesn't think he can, that's
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 9: going to make his task of doing it, in my view,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 9: more difficult. If you don't think you can do it,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 9: you're not going to do it.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 7: It's like the momentum argument. I feel the same kind
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: of thing where you can't really category. He can't really
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: come up with a measurement of it.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 8: But yeah, there's a black and white thing.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 9: I just feel like Drake may knows he can throw
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 9: a deep ball, but if he doesn't think he's going
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 9: to be able to throw the next deep ball properly,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 9: you think he's going to throw it as well as
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 9: he did the one that he did think he.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Could throw properly.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, And like they're not robots, they're not all Like,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 9: it's not just every play has the same chance to
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 9: succeed because everybody goes in with the same mindset. I
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 9: think there's so much that goes into this that's mental.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Chad from Schenectady. Drake has talked about wanting
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: to earn the ability to lead before even recently. He's
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: still one of the youngest players on the team, and
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would agree that being
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: being young, it can be weird and it's definitely something
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: that has to be learned from most people. I think
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: as he gets older and more rooted in the team,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: that will continue that skill will continue to grow. You
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: can be a vocal leader all you want, but if
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: you play like a play like nine, I mean nine
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: years old, I think no one wants.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: To hear talking about JJ McCarthy.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, I didn't what's that all about himself?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 8: Nine?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: I think because that's like his competitive alter ego on
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: the field when he's on something out of stranger when
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: he when he's on the field, he's not JJ anymore.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: He's nine.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 9: So that's another part about having confidence. Another part of
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 9: the previous email the way is you know, the whole
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 9: leadership thing at a young age. And I totally agree
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 9: that Drake is young and he will learn and get
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 9: better in terms of those those kinds of things, But
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 9: I don't agree that you can't have that if you're young.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 9: Tom Brady entered the league as a fourth quarterback on
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 9: the roster, sixth round pick, and Bill was struck by
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 9: his leadership. That was the number one thing that stood
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 9: out to him was his ability to take the rookie
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 9: mini camp class. And yes, it does come just because
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 9: you're a quarterback. A lot of guys are just natural
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 9: leaders because that's what that position requires. Yep, some guys
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 9: come into the I mean Tom was a little older
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 9: than Drake when he came into the league, but he
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 9: was a nothing compared to Drake.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 8: When he came into the league.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 9: He was a sixth round pick, the fourth quarterback on
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 9: the roster, and the reason that Bill was so enamored
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 9: with him was his leadership. That's what allowed him to
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 9: stick around. So you can have it when you're young. Now,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 9: I'm not telling you that Drake can never develop it
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 9: because he hasn't necessarily shown that. I think he should
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 9: he as Rabel said, I think he showed great strides
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 9: in that department one year in this one year with Rabel,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 9: so I think he'll get better and better at it
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 9: by I don't necessarily think you can't be a good
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 9: leader if you're young.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: SPI in Fresno.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Do you guys have a sense of the nature and
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: severity of Drake's injury or injuries as well as when
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: they occurred. I don't know how much to factor that
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: in when evaluating his postseason play. Like we can discuss
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: Drake's youth and loss of confidence, lack of clutch, but
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: that should be in context of the injury. I know
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: everyone plays hurt and great players rub dirt on it
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: and carry on, but given how much Drake dropped off,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: I'd like to discern how much the injury versus wilting
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: against tougher competition came into play.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: I think that that's a huge factor the entire thing
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: for him and Will Campbell, And the only people that
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: can answer that are Mike Rabol and probably Jim Whalen,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: and like you know that those people about Like I
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: think both those guys were, you know, especially Campbell. I
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: was actually looking at this yesterday, like his splits pre
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: injury versus post injury. Now, you could also argue that
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: he faced better competition post injury, but I think that
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: at the same time, like you did see a pretty
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: tangible drop off in his performance, especially in past protection
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: from pre injury to post and so like they they
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: would need to decide that, you know, in terms of
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: how to move forward, not necessarily questioning Drake May but
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: especially with Campbell at tackle, like how much of it
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: was his knee and how much of it was that
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: he had good players coming off the ball, you know,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: across from him.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: And I think the same thing's true with Drake May
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: so well.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: In Chicago, Paul kind of touched on this earlier about
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: where they're drafting and you know the difference between thirty
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: one and four, but he said, do we hit well
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: enough in our draft in comparison to previous years? Campbell
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: Henderson had flashes Woodson Farmer had promised until Farmer got hurt.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: If we hit that well and hit in free agency again,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: I don't see why we can't play well and make
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: it back to the super Bowl. Screw the hardest schedule.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: We're going to roll over the AFC, no doubt. There
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: is a big difference though, Like, yeah, if you do
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: as well as last year, that's great, but it's going
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: to be harder because it's thirty one instead of four.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: And I was just doing, like, if you add the
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: numbers up, so four times seven is twenty eight twenty
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: eight verse four times thirty one is like two hundred
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: and whatever. Think of the difference in that number. That's
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: the difference in the quality of guys that you have
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: access to.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, but I we.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: Say this all the time, and I'll say there are
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 7: certain teams that draft well that consistently don't matter where
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: they're picking, they find good players. And maybe they don't
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 7: find ten every draft class, but they're going to find
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 7: two or three every draft class.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: And that to me is when it's kind of comes down.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 9: Filled with guys that they drafted on a team that
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 9: famously said f them picks.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they did draft some of them in the first round.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 8: No, No, I know, Jared Versus was a great first round.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think the bigger point is is like
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: if it was super easy to draft guys at the
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: end of every round, then we would all be gms
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: and we'd be running teams right now because so good
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: at it.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 9: You know, and people will throw the rams at you.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 9: Kansas City is where they are right now because they've struggled,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 9: you know, beyond when Trent McDuffie. You know, they struggled
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 9: to get guys in the thirties.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Yea, over the years.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: It's exactly what happened to the Patriots. Like when you
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: pick down there consistently every single when you're starting to
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: throw darts here.
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  Speaker 5: Really are now. I think that it depends on what
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: your line is.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: Like I would say with the draft class last year,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: you know, I think it will be at tackle, but
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: Will Campbell's going to be a starter in the league.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it will be at garter be
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: a tackle long term. And I think Craig Woodson is
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: going to be a starting safety in the league.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 23: Now.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 5: The other guys, I.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: Think Jerry's still out Slash maybe Henderson's more of like
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: a change of pace, you know, second running back instead
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: of a true number one back. But they probably got
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: at least three contributors. You know, however, you want to
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: say that that's a good.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: Draft, probably more.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 9: And if you're just saying contributors, you know, you could
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 9: probably say Campbell, Henderson, Wilson, Woodson, Bora, Regarless. You know,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 9: I'm not going even a long snapper Ashby if.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: You consider those four guys as hits.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that's right, like contributor out right. I'm
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 9: willing to say, like, I don't know how good all
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 9: of those guys are going to be, right, I would
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 9: say Woodson was the one guy who, at the end
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 9: of the year I thought was really a sending yep yep,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 9: whereas the other guy's kind of leveled off or tailed off.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I talked to Arcanda last week and
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 7: he was saying it now, Gonzalez was the only guy
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: who showed up, and I said.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: Woodson put Woodson in there with you definitely then showed
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: up for sure.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: Do you think any of them hit the rookie wall?
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 11: I mean, because when you think about it, I wonder
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 11: that mostly play in college fourteen games, and you know,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 11: if you add in preseason which rookies play, it was
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 11: twenty four games, and.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 7: The injuries to Wilson and Campbell dovetailed into when they
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 7: would be hitting the wall.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: So was it injury? Was it that? I mean, it's
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: it's trying to do the the you know.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 7: Afterwards, take the body apart, figure out went wrong, and
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 7: there's so many different little threads you can pull out.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 9: Part of it with the rookies that I don't think
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 9: people talk about as much, and maybe I overrt it,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 9: maybe it's not that big a deal, But I think
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 9: part of the reason why the rookie wall is such
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 9: a thing is if you think about the end of
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 9: the rookie it's not just the fourteen games to you know,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 9: twenty or whatever it is. But they play their under
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 9: their schedule, then they work out specifically for the combine.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 9: Then they have like all of this pro day stuff.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 9: It's like there's.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 8: No real off season in terms of rest.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 9: Then they go right into OTAs when they get drafted
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 9: and rookie mini camps and all that stuff, you know,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 9: to mini camp, they don't really have any time to reset.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're either in the college Football Playoff or
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: they're at a senior bowl or a shrine bowl.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 9: It's a lot of Yeah, it's a long year, and
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 9: I think that is just as much to do with
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 9: it as like this season is longer than that season.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the off season to do that.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: This year, it's basically like, well, a lot of those
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: rookies haven't really taken a true break since the beginning
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: of their college lash college speed, right, you know, like
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: they start in August in college and they go all
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: the way through the end.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: That's a great point.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 7: I think about that too with Rabel, like just I
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 7: know this wasn't his first time coaching, but like.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: Gets hired, hires a staff, getting up to speed.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 7: You know, it was a long year for him too,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 7: having to put this all together.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, asks anyone on vacation.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Good for him. And then you go home, deserve it.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 8: You're done, you go home.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: Where do you go?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Darius writes in I've seen a lot of people say
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: we should cut Digs even without restructuring his contract, and
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: I think that's kind of dumb. The right thing to do,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: in my eyes is keep him as the number two,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: try to get a number one to pair with him.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: He still has value being on the roster, and it's
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: still a better receiver than anyone on our roster.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: Now, from strictly a football standpoint, I couldn't agree more Like,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: if you're just looking at it as a football thing,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: I think this is one of the things that's going
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: up by back side, like the twenty six million dollars
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: cap hit on Stefan Diggs. If you think that he's
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: a good football player, then why do you care. They
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: have forty million dollars in cap space. They have plenty
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: of money to throw around, so they don't. Don't start
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: pinching pennies.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: For our employer.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, Like they're all good. It's they have plenty of
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: cap space. If you think that he's washed, if you
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: think that he can't play anymore.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: That's a different car argument.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: If you think he's not a good guy off the field,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: different argument. But if you think that he's gonna be
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: a good football player like he was for them this year.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 9: I'm in line with that theory. Then I'm with somebody
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 9: better than him and have him to be a clear number.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: To have him be the inside guy, and have Alex
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: Pierce play on the outside or a J.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: Brown play in the outside or whoever.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 7: I get all the criticism of him, I just have
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 7: a hard time saying, this is the first guy to
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 7: a thousand yard season here.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: Right, and now we're here to get rid of it,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: you know, And I get it, Like I know, I.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: Just don't understand bringing up the money. Like, if you
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: want to bring up what's going on off the field
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: and say that this is you know, it's better to
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: get out now, then that's a solid argument. If you
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: start bringing up cap hits, I'm like, what do we
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: talk about?
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Dig?
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 9: The Dig's argument isn't about what he did, it's what
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 9: you think he's going to do. And I am one
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 9: thousand percent with Evan here. If you think that he's still,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 9: you know, going to be that player for you, if
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 9: he then why I don't know why you would want
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 9: to move.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 8: On unless something happens off the field with this.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 9: I don't want to make light of you know, his
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 9: is im pending trial or whatever how that all plays out.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not making light of that at all.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 9: But if it's football reasons and you think you could
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 9: get better than him, I would I would agree I
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 9: think you can make him number two. I think he
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 9: very well could have another thousand yard season, which to me,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 9: as you know, if it's going to be on one
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 9: hundred catches again like yawn, like, that doesn't really do
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 9: much for me. If it's not enough place or it's boring,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 9: it kind of it kind of is I'm not gonna lie,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 9: that's that's kind of accurate. I don't know, yeah, I
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 9: mean it catches for a thousand yards.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: First, Now he's gone down fifteen, Well that's where he
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: had eighty five hundred. I'll take a guy with one
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: hundred catch.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 8: My point is ten yards of catch doesn't really do
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 8: much for me.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: I'll take it. That's my best guy.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 9: Now, if I have a guy that's you know, averaging,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 9: you know, you know that maybe has you know, one
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 9: thousand yards you know on fifteen yards of catch and
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 9: making dynamic plays all over the field, then that's different.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 9: Now this number two guy is Wes Welker, right, Yeah,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 9: that's a little different.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: From a football standpoint.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: That's that's what they should be trying to do.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: In my opinion, is you know, digs.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: In the playoffs, I think started to see a lot
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: of extra attention in the middle of the field. Team's
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: bracketing him, doubling him, you know, rotating the safeties into
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: the winter that he's trying to throw into. So, now
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: if you have one on ones on the outside because
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: they're clamping down on digs, but you have a better
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: receiver that's playing outside, well, now you pick your poison. Right,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: you have a guy over the top of the outside
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: receiver and taking chances with Diggs or vice versa.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 7: And I'm not going to say he's going to go
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 7: back to being what he was, but is it worth
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 7: mentioning he was first year off an A C L.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, usually I give a guy a year to
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 7: you know, be back to order. Said, I don't know
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 7: if he's getting back to that level.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 9: Say if you look back to his last three years,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 9: that's what he is that guy.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: If he's that guy, but there's somebody taking attention away
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: from him, that's playing on the outside, I just think
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: that that's perfectly functional, right, that that's gonna be that's
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: my two guy.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 9: I'm all for that now. I think I can have
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 9: the makings of a dynamic passing.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 6: It ton Yeah, all right.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: On the phone is Christian from La what's up, Christian.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 12: Hey you guys, Hey, you guys. I wanted to let
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 12: you guys know the update. I went with my gut
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 12: and I took the tickets for next year and didn't
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 12: go to the Super Bowl up there. I chose to
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 12: tickets and try to go and go this year when
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 12: it when it's so fine. If I was there and
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 12: I had spent seven thousand dollars and the game turned
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 12: out the way it did, I would have I would
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 12: have just been beside myself. So I think I made
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 12: the vist choice. I'm sorry we be lost, but I
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 12: think we're going to be back. And here's what I
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 12: mean by that, you guys, I know you're not going
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 12: to agree with me, but I just got to address
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 12: some nonsense here. Robert Kraft made a man's decision last
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 12: year when he said to a potentially great coach one year,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 12: you gotta go. I don't have time to wait for
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 12: you to develop. And he got rid of Gerard Mayo
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 12: and he got Mike Brable and we saw what happened.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 12: We made a similar mistake as I think we're making
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 12: now with Cold Strange because we drafted him high.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: And Will.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry you me and Will Campbell. No, Cold Strange,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: Cole Strange isn't on the team anymore.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 12: Exactly my point, because we drafted Cole Strange high and
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 12: everyone laughed at us. We kept him way too long.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 12: We hoped he would develop. We said, up, we put
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 12: people on hi the side of him and give him
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 12: some help, he'll develop. Well, guess what happened.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 8: You got her twice.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 12: We made well.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: And it's not a kind of apples to Apple are talking.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: They didn't keep Cold Strange too, but no, but even
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: if they did, you can get away with holding onto
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: a guard too long more than a head coach.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and no one thought that Gerard Mayo has had
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 8: the potential to be a great coach.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 12: I haven't made yet.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's so far. The only thing we agree
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: with is that where we weren't going to agree with you.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 9: When people say that, I automatically say, I'll bet you
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 9: I agree with this, but I don't, you know anyway,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 9: keep going Christian, We'll let you go.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 12: So the point I'm making is we need to just
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 12: rip the band aid off now of what the development
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 12: stage with with with with Will Campbell for two years,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 12: Let's put the one on the side of them, this side,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 12: let's put a guard on the inside of him, a
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 12: new title on the outside, and let's let this guy develop.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 12: We are not in development stage anymore. We are a
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 12: Super Bowl competing team. We need to keep competing. And
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 12: I'm sorry to say this. Like Wilkes, he's a great kid,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 12: but we can't wait two years for him to develop.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 12: That's all I guys say about that the draft. Here's
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 12: the other things that I want to draft about the draft,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 12: and then I'll get off the air. We have eleven
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 12: picks that eleven chances right to get them that maybe
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 12: won't even play. So why are we stuck on this
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 12: arcade method of drafting? Why don't we take five of
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 12: those eleven pick that we have? Patritson trying to find
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 12: a partner to help us move up in the draft. Again,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 12: we are not in developmental stage anymore. We are not
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 12: Oh yeah, we made it two years.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 5: We don't have that kind of value. Yeah, sixth round pick?
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: What trade?
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 8: What where do you want to move to in the draft.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 12: I think if we gave up, you know, five of
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 12: those sixth rounds, when's the last time the five Tom
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 12: Brady and Russell Wilson a sixth round.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 9: All right, so you want to trade the four to
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 9: sixth round picks. Okay, so now you've got a fifth
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 9: round or what are you going to do?
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 12: I don't want to I want to trade the sixth
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 12: round picky to get a third rounder.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I mean I mean that'd be great.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 8: I think you know my line about this one about
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 8: my aunt.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, she had she had a sex question.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 8: She'd be my uncle.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: That's that's the volume picks to get to the third round.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Cold Strange seventeen games, ten games to four games. I
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: mean just he was hurt.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 9: So and again, Cole Strange was a bad pick.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: I was confused about where he was.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: It was a bad pick for where they picked him.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, like they kept rolling him out there, like
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 7: but yeah, it's not like he started every game for
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 7: three years because he was the first round pick.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 9: He kept getting hurt. They never could figure out if
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 9: can this guy not stay healthy? Does he have the
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 9: ability to play? Turns out he was not worthy of
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 9: the first round pick and he couldn't stay healthy. I
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 9: don't think that they held on to him too long.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: I mean they were trying to play him at center.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: I mean they were trying to House House would say, like,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: I think Will Campbell's played a lot more, lot better
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: at left tackle than Cole Stranger.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 9: And I would also say, just to be fair, and
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 9: I won't just say all disagree with everything that Christian said.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 9: If they think that they can get better than Will
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 9: Campbell at left tackle, then I'm all for.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: Just seven six round picks to get a first This
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: whole Chris, we love it.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 5: I didn't know where he was going.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 9: I would you know this archaic way of drafting. Well,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 9: first of all, we don't really know exactly how this
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 9: regime is good. They had one draft. Let's see maybe
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 9: they maybe they think like you and they feel like
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 9: their rosters are a better spot. We don't need to
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 9: make eleven picks. Maybe they don't making the eight picks.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 9: Maybe they will trade up two or three times in
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 9: this draft.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 5: I promise you they don't need to take eleven guys. No,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 5: well they don't, for our sake, for anybody's.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 7: Sake, it is one of the really hard things to
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: figure out a guy like Jared Wilson and say, do
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 7: we believe that he, with a little time is going
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 7: to be a plus center or a plus left guard,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: you know, and having to make that decision now. But
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 7: I just I hate the general sentiment. I hated it
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 7: when I was blogging. The people say, if the rookie
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 7: stunk as a rookie, he's always gonna stink and no
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 7: one's ever going to get better and they are what
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: they are, and so just get rid of them now,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 7: you know, you gotta give you got to pick the
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 7: right guys to give the time too. I understand the pos.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 9: Agree with that, you know, just I also agree with
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 9: the other side. If the guy plays right away, he
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 9: doesn't mean right like.
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  Speaker 1: And that's right, and so you got to pick the
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  Speaker 1: right guys. It's a hard decision.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, like, you know, Josh Farmer, I don't know,
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  Speaker 7: we saw little of him this year. Do they still think, man,
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  Speaker 7: he was coming? You know, I don't know what I said.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know Josh. I don't know what any of
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  Speaker 7: these guys are, but maybe they believe in you know,
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  Speaker 7: I'm just picking a random one. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 7: Will Campbell's a different example, because he's a fourth overall pick.
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  Speaker 3: And he's just played better than all these guys, right
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  Speaker 3: and like, especially pre injury. Like I think the Will
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  Speaker 3: Campbell that we're thinking of is obviously the guy that
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  Speaker 3: played in the playoffs and didn't play well in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: But for the first twelve thirteen weeks of the season,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: he was not playing like he did in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 8: And no, and it wasn't that bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would just say, you know, with guys
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  Speaker 3: that are picked high in the draft, you are going
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: to give them more leaps.
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  Speaker 5: That's just the we just pick of the draft.
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  Speaker 8: I'm sorry the beast, that's the way it works.
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  Speaker 9: And he's going to get more opportunities than Marcus Bryant
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  Speaker 9: was picking the seventh round.
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  Speaker 3: And can you like start like this is the time
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: of year where we got to put names to claims, man,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: Like if you're gonna move this, okay, yeah, Like if
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: you're gonna move them, if you're gonna you know, move
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: on from him, or whatever dramatic thing you want to say,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: Like you have to be able to have an answer
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  Speaker 3: at left tackle, Like, so, who's gonna play left tackle?
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  Speaker 2: Team Will? I'm team Will. He's gonna do what he
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: needs to do to get better in the off season,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: get healthy, It'll be good.
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  Speaker 8: I'm team Will.
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  Speaker 9: Team Will.
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  Speaker 2: He's a free agent.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna sign.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: He was just trending in such a fine direction before
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: he got hurt. And so I'm not saying it's all
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: just on the knee, but like, can we at least
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: acknowledge the fact that he was playing on a bum
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: knee and then he was also playing the best pass
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: rushes in the NFL with on a bum knee. So like,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: let's see what he looks like could start next season.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: Does he look like the guy that would you know,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: pre injury? Or does he look like the guy in
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: the playoffs?
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 6: All right, let's go to Brad in Ohio.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: He'll be our last caller. What's up, Brad?
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  Speaker 24: He love fellow.
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  Speaker 12: How are we doing today?
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 24: Okay, I'm gonna make a brief because I know you're out.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 24: We're about out of time. So I think, first of all,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 24: Joshua's hamstrung call and plays in the super Bowl for
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 24: the exact reasons you've all been discussing Number one, that
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 24: was so obvious. And then for McDaniel's offense, he's a
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 24: running game oriented guy. So I would want hopefully that
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 24: we draft in that where we're going to be drafting
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 24: a blocking tight end that can catch too. And then
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 24: I wanted to ask Evan about a fullback that plays
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 24: for Michigan, Max Bredeston, that I would love to see
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 24: in a Patriots uniform in Josh McDaniel's offense.
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  Speaker 4: And that's all I got.
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  Speaker 23: Guys like the Indiana Okay, thanks, thanks Brad, Yeah, see
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 23: you about full back, and he got you know, Brock
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 23: lamp He's still technically under contract with the team, and
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 23: I think they thought he was going to be the
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 23: full back.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 19: I didn't.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: They really felt like that they had the guy already
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: with Lampy. So we'll see what happens there. But that
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: goes back to my point I was making earlier, like
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: is that the hip of offense you want to be?
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 10: Like?
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 5: Do they want to be under center? Twenty one two? Back?
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: Full back behind the quarterback?
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: Is that is that the the way they want to play?
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know. We'll find out.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 6: We will find out, and we'll be back on Thursday
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 6: catch twenty two this week tomorrow.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: Because I know Bartha said he's was sick.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 5: What he's fine? Yeah, he told you he was sick.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: He is on air he was telling people he got
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: really sick coming back from the super Bowl.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 6: The other thing I want to.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: Know is I was sitting next to you on as
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: Taylor Kyle's got his account Bay, he did.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: An he got it back yesterday and he posts say
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: the picture like him holding up a piece of paper
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: and it was like it's actually me or or whatever
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: to like prove that it.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: Wasn't like a box.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: But the real question is would he rather lose the
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: account and have the mer sake. That's a lot of
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: work that'd be worth it.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 5: He can't post film anymore have the account.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: I think he spent a lot of his life building
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: up that account, but he can't post film anymore.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: That's a good point.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: So I think you and Boss should have guests, and
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: you should bring in Taylor once.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: We'd be happy to know.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 6: Why not.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: It can be only one.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 8: Let's have them all for the organization.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Seems like they do any.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 19: Wow.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 5: Wow say that prank caller.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 7: Prank caller, I don't know that somebody hacked Paul.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm taking my vouchback. We'll talk to you
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: on Thursday.
• 1:56:52
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• 1:56:53
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