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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 229 | Analyzing Team Depth & Competition · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: Welcome in to Jags.
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Speaker 2: Ay and Sam Kadannie Stevens, Brian Sexav and John Osier
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Speaker 2: are with me today. As OTAs continue in week two.
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Speaker 2: There's also a blockbuster deal going down in the NFL,
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Speaker 2: so let's talk about all of it. We'll go over
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Speaker 2: our big things today. All this brought to you by publics.
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Speaker 2: We're shopping is a pleasure. Big thing Number one going
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Speaker 2: to be a blockbuster. We're not talking about Jaguars to start,
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Speaker 2: because a huge deal going down yesterday. Brian Miles Garrett
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Speaker 2: is headed to the Los Angeles Rams a twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: seven first round pick, and Youred Verse are headed back
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Speaker 2: to Cleveland.
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Speaker 1: It's always a big deal when the Rams.
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Speaker 2: Are kind of involved, and clearly they you know, FM
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Speaker 2: picks sending them off. But to get one of the
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Speaker 2: best players in the NFL.
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Speaker 3: Well, listen, I mean, who was surprised by this? This is
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Speaker 3: what the Rams do. They always swing for big things
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Speaker 3: and it's worked out from them. Won a championship with
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Speaker 3: Matt Staffords, a quarter of back in Jalen Ramsey was
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Speaker 3: a guy. They gave two first round picks to the
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Speaker 3: Jaguars for look, if you're the league, John you gotta
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Speaker 3: love this. I mean, this is one of the marquee players,
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Speaker 3: even though he was sort of lost in Cleveland, has
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Speaker 3: the sack record, going to play with Matt Stafford, the
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Speaker 3: reigning MVP on a team that, I mean, other than Seattle,
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Speaker 3: was probably the best team in football last year at
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Speaker 3: the bright lights in that stadium in Los Angeles. I
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Speaker 3: mean that this is the league is all about this.
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Speaker 4: They love this, yeah, and it's I got some questions
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Speaker 4: about why didn't the Jaguars make this move? And look,
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Speaker 4: I'm sure fans of every team Sant White used to
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Speaker 4: make this moves. It's a little bit timing thing for
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Speaker 4: the Rams. Stafford has reached that point at thirty eight,
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Speaker 4: where he is in the one year at a time
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Speaker 4: stage of his career. I'm not saying they won't be
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Speaker 4: good once he leaves, because they've been consistently good, but
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Speaker 4: it is a little bit of a chip saw in
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Speaker 4: for right now. They need to figure out a way
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Speaker 4: to get past Seattle. It's not surprising that the Rams
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Speaker 4: do it this way, but I don't I don't think
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Speaker 4: it would have been the right move for the Jaguars
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Speaker 4: to make getting rid of future picks mortgaging things for
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Speaker 4: right now, the Rams are in that.
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Speaker 3: And other looking it's easy to mortgage things when you're
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Speaker 3: that close to the top of the NFL and revenue.
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Speaker 3: Right the Dallas Cowboys are number one in revenue one
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Speaker 3: point two billion dollars last year, and the only thing
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Speaker 3: you've even close right now is the La Rams. They've
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Speaker 3: got the kind of cash flow in Los Angeles, in
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Speaker 3: the nation's number two market where they can swing for
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Speaker 3: things because if they make mistakes, they can kind of
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Speaker 3: overcome it with their cash. It helps them structure the cap.
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Speaker 2: It's worked out for them before, so clearly they're feeling
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Speaker 2: comfortable trying to do it again.
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Speaker 1: Let's got our big thing number.
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Speaker 2: Two back here in Jacksonville back in the mix. Travis
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Speaker 2: Hunter has been participating in OTAs throughout. We actually heard
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Speaker 2: from him for the first time in a while. Most notably,
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Speaker 2: he's looking a little bit stronger than when we saw
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Speaker 2: him last.
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Speaker 3: I feel a lot stronger. It wasn't though focused.
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Speaker 5: It was me going in there and getting my overall
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Speaker 5: body right and just getting in shape and continue to
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Speaker 5: just I could have run, so yeah, wait with my
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Speaker 5: best friend. Then to let out some anger because I can't.
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Speaker 5: I ain't have much his feet.
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Speaker 2: So Johnny couldn't run around, so he went and lifted
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Speaker 2: the weights instead. He's also spending a lot of time
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Speaker 2: in those virtual meeting rooms, trying to focus on the
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Speaker 2: playbook as much as he can until he can get
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Speaker 2: out there one hundred percent physically.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, anything he does is a big story. It's
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Speaker 4: not unusual for a player who is hurt with the
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Speaker 4: knee in today's NFL to take the approach that Travis
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Speaker 4: is taking. But he's Travis Hunters, so we're all going
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Speaker 4: to talk about it. So he has been in the
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Speaker 4: virtual room. It's a big deal in terms of virtual reps.
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Speaker 4: That's very, very good, and he's bigger, so he's also
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Speaker 4: as we've all seen at OTA's, he's he's participated as
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Speaker 4: much as he can. He's in the he's in the
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Speaker 4: huddle until the huddle breaks offensively, and then he's sort
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Speaker 4: of backing out. He's trying to get as much done
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Speaker 4: as he can. Look, his approach is exactly right, Brian,
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Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens on the field next year.
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Speaker 3: The guy loves ball, I mean, there's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 3: And he doesn't worry about what anybody says. He just
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Speaker 3: likes to be out on the field. I will say
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Speaker 3: when I met him guy in Green Bay during the
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Speaker 3: draft process last year, my first thought was, he's not
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Speaker 3: very big, right, And you don't have to be a
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Speaker 3: giant or all muscled up to be able to be
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Speaker 3: a very good player in this league. But you know,
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Speaker 3: when you're as slender as one hundred and eighty five pounds,
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Speaker 3: I saw a guy that I thought needed to get bigger,
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Speaker 3: so I am My ears perked up when I heard
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Speaker 3: him say how productive his time in the gym was,
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Speaker 3: because even a little bit more strength just makes him
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Speaker 3: all that much better.
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Speaker 2: I think one of the other stories are positives out
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Speaker 2: of Otay's we've seen is our third big thing, which
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Speaker 2: is mentality shift. Another player that looks a little bit bigger,
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Speaker 2: looks a little bit stronger, is Brian Thomas Junior, and
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Speaker 2: he talked at practice yesterday about how he's had a
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Speaker 2: bit of a mentality shift.
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Speaker 6: Just coming out here trying to be the best that
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Speaker 6: I can be, putting my best foot for each and
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Speaker 6: every day. Just continue to stay motivated, don't let anything
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Speaker 6: in the way of anything in the way of the
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Speaker 6: I don't let the downs get in the way of that.
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Speaker 6: Whatever you got going on in life, whether there's I
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Speaker 6: outside of football and football, just don't let don't let
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Speaker 6: that stop you control of your mindset, the way you
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Speaker 6: think about things. So yeah, I would say, yeah, I
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Speaker 6: wake up motivating the every day and I try not
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Speaker 6: to let anything get in the.
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Speaker 4: Way of that.
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Speaker 2: Brian, he sounded a little bit different talking to him,
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Speaker 2: and he talked about, you know, how good he feels,
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Speaker 2: feels healthy for once, and also just what we've seen
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Speaker 2: from him on the practice field. Chemistry with Trevor Lawrence
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Speaker 2: is there, and it's a very stark difference from what
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Speaker 2: we saw during off season and training camp last year.
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Speaker 4: It is.
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Speaker 3: And I'm listening to him, I'm hearing the other side
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Speaker 3: of Travis Hunter, right, I mean, Travis Hunters dialed in
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Speaker 3: on the game so strong, and Brian's already a big,
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Speaker 3: strong guy, John, and now you take him and anything
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Speaker 3: that dials him in even closer to where he needs
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Speaker 3: to be, that taps into that talent and potential that
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Speaker 3: we saw from him as a rookie. Anything at all
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Speaker 3: takes his physical skills that were already there and makes
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Speaker 3: them that much more potent for Trevor Lawrence and Liam
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Speaker 3: Cohen in the offense.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a big story right now. He's had a
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Speaker 4: really good couple of OTAs that we've able to see.
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Speaker 4: It just strikes me from thinking about Brian Thomas Junior
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Speaker 4: last couple of days, how attainable his goal is, meaning,
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Speaker 4: you know, to get better and to really contribute to
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Speaker 4: this offense.
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Speaker 1: He didn't need to do much because he did it
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Speaker 1: last year.
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Speaker 4: He didn't do it to the extreme numbers that he
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Speaker 4: did as a rookie, but he had seven hundred yards receiving.
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Speaker 4: If he's a little more involved downfield, if he's a
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Speaker 4: little bit more of a threat, if he holds onto
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Speaker 4: a couple early that he didn't hold onto last year,
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Speaker 4: it's almost like there's something in the water. Stand well,
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Speaker 4: he can never get back to being an eleven twelve
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Speaker 4: hundred yard guy. I don't know what his numbers are
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Speaker 4: gonna be, but it's I it's not a reach at
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Speaker 4: all to think that he's a big factor for this
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Speaker 4: offense last I mean this season and kai I'd be
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Speaker 4: surprised if he's not. At this point. It it feels
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Speaker 4: like good stuff is brewing for him right now.
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Speaker 2: It does, and I feel like the coaching staff has
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Speaker 2: been very vocal. Hear from them a little bit later
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Speaker 2: about being happy with what they've seen out of Brian
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Speaker 2: Thomas Junior as well so far in off season.
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Speaker 1: Programming Saleth here.
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Speaker 2: We'll give you more on our Ota takeaways coming up
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Speaker 2: after the break.
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Speaker 7: But haveing depth and competition at every position was something
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Speaker 7: that we were trying to do with the draft, and
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Speaker 7: I think ultimately you're seeing guys practice harder and play
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Speaker 7: harder and compete harder. And look, when your safety room
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Speaker 7: is that deep and you have a lot of competition
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Speaker 7: at that position, knowing where the league is, you know,
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Speaker 7: somewhat trending in ways with some of the heavier personnel groupings,
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Speaker 7: and what do you need to do to combat that,
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Speaker 7: as well as having special teams, you know, emphasis with
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Speaker 7: that big athletic body type. And then at the defensive
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Speaker 7: line positions, you know you're you're constantly looking for guys
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Speaker 7: that can disrupt, but also special teams. Again, right comes
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Speaker 7: up and shows up to where you need to make
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Speaker 7: sure the way that you're building the roster when you're
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Speaker 7: trying to get hats on game day. If they can
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Speaker 7: only play defense or only do this one thing, it
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Speaker 7: makes it a lot harder to get a hat on
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Speaker 7: game daw Well.
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Speaker 1: It goes into that roster building.
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Speaker 2: Liam Cohen talking yesterday about at this time of the year,
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Speaker 2: they love that depth, they love the competition. But while
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Speaker 2: you have to play your certain position, you got to
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Speaker 2: contribute on special teams in other areas as well as
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Speaker 2: well if you want to make the roster.
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Speaker 3: You know, That's one of the things that you can
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Speaker 3: see in OTA right, is how many people can contribute
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Speaker 3: to the competition. And that's one of the things that
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Speaker 3: left me thinking that this was a good football team
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Speaker 3: walking off the last couple of days that we've been
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Speaker 3: able to watch OTAs. Just the number of good players
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Speaker 3: down two, three, four spots that are going to compete
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Speaker 3: in the summer camp.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels deeper. One thing I do love about
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Speaker 4: Liam there's rarely an unpadded practice where afterward he doesn't say, oh,
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Speaker 4: he gotta wait till training. He is about ball and
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Speaker 4: he wants to see the pads on. He knows this
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Speaker 4: is important, but every time he talks about it, can't
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Speaker 4: you just tell that he's waiting for July thirty, So
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Speaker 4: he's always got that perspective. But it does feel very
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Speaker 4: much like a deeper team, which is what they wanted
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Speaker 4: to do a with last year's draft. Having these guys
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Speaker 4: ready this year's draft, it does feel deeper, and as
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Speaker 4: he said, we'll find out if it's deep once they
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Speaker 4: put the pads on in.
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Speaker 3: August, and there were a lot of younger players that
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Speaker 3: were working their way up and playing with different groups.
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Speaker 3: Yesterday on the field, young guys playing with starters just
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Speaker 3: to give him reps. I thought that was fun to watch.
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Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 2: I think we had the first Ota open one was
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Speaker 2: after jagsam last week, so we got to kind of
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Speaker 2: have a week that we looked at them and then
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Speaker 2: we saw them again yesterday on Monday of this week
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Speaker 2: was Ota number four. So Parker Washington talked to me
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Speaker 2: last week and he talked a little bit about his
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Speaker 2: mentality as he heads into a contract year.
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Speaker 8: Just stay in detailed, staying intentional with how I attack
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Speaker 8: each day. I mean, that's the mindset, you know. I
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Speaker 8: mean it didn't start off with me having all these opportunities,
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Speaker 8: so I had to find a way to continue to
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Speaker 8: get better. Knowing that I probably wasn't gonna get the opportunities.
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Speaker 8: So just with that, I mean, I just feel like
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Speaker 8: it's just a cherry on top.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 8: I just get the more opportunities to go out there
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Speaker 8: and be who I want to be, be who I
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Speaker 8: know I can be, and just.
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Speaker 4: Have fun with it.
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Speaker 2: John Parker had an amazing training camp last year. Clearly
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Speaker 2: he's motivated heading into a contract year. I'm sure they
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Speaker 2: love to sign him before that, but you know, if
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Speaker 2: he has to go in there and prove it this year,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure he's more than happy to do that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And look, OTAs are hard to judge, but you
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Speaker 4: can over time, over a long period of time, and
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Speaker 4: Ata's get a feel for different players, especially wide receivers.
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Speaker 4: To me, he looks just like he didn't training camp
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Speaker 4: last year. He's I don't want to draw conclusions off
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Speaker 4: unpadded practices, but since we saw it last year and
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Speaker 4: we saw his pattern before it started, He's just always
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Speaker 4: gets better. He's just a good pro football player. And
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Speaker 4: you see why during these practices, and I guess what
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Speaker 4: I'm getting at. He never takes plays off. He's always
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Speaker 4: working amazingly. He has turned himself into a core player well,
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Speaker 4: it's a remarkable ascension, which is what you want from
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Speaker 4: late round picks.
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Speaker 3: Bran, the quarterback knows where he's at right. I thought
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Speaker 3: his biggest catch last season was the first first down
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Speaker 3: of the game in Denver where Trevor was rolling to
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Speaker 3: his left and they would maybe it was the third
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Speaker 3: series and they were beating their heads against a great
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Speaker 3: defense in Denver, and then he just let it fly
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Speaker 3: back across the field because he trusted Parker Washington and
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Speaker 3: I felt like that was the moment where everything sort
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Speaker 3: of opened up and things started to flow. I know
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Speaker 3: he had big touchdown catches, but that was one that
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Speaker 3: stood out to me, and that's who he is. And
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Speaker 3: even out here on the practice field, John, you could
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Speaker 3: see that the quarterback when Brian isn't there, when Jacobe
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Speaker 3: isn't there, he knows he locks on to where is eleven,
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Speaker 3: and eleven always comes down with the ball.
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Speaker 4: Yep. It's almost like with Parker and I maybe guilty
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Speaker 4: of this too, because we know how he came in
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Speaker 4: as this as a draft pick, and then he didn't
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Speaker 4: really earn his way into the line, or didn't get
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Speaker 4: a chance to until last year. So there's always this
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Speaker 4: feeling of Oh, look at him, he's surprising us again,
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Speaker 4: Like every game that he does something, Oh, he's surprising
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Speaker 4: us again. Well, that's not the right perception of it anymore.
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Speaker 4: Now it's oh, he's a reason the Jaguars are thirteen
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Speaker 4: to four, Like he's one of the guys that they
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Speaker 4: build this thing on. So it's you know, Kai and
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Speaker 4: I talk about it all the time in the press box.
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Speaker 4: Every time you look up, he makes a play and
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Speaker 4: you're like, there he is doing it again, And I
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Speaker 4: guess it's time to stop being surprised when that happens.
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Speaker 4: He's a guy.
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Speaker 3: He did it when he robbed this year in Cleveland's
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Speaker 3: sixth round pick, coming off of a broken foot that
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Speaker 3: slowed him down, and he was the guy that day
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Speaker 3: where Trevor couldn't move.
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Speaker 2: We talk about people at this time of the year
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Speaker 2: earning their way through special teams, but he's done on
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Speaker 2: punt returns.
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Speaker 1: That's what got him a lot of that playing time.
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Speaker 1: And he's had huge special teams plays.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm looking he's one of the intriguing storylines
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Speaker 4: next year. Is he a guy meaning an eleven hundred
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Speaker 4: yard nine not ten touchdown guys? I think he can
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Speaker 4: be depending on how they split the be targets.
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Speaker 1: I'll head to the defensive side of the ball.
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Speaker 2: I think what is kind of cool about this time
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Speaker 2: of year is you see the coaches getting really hands on.
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Speaker 2: Even the coordinators are able to do that at this
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Speaker 2: time of year. Anthony Campanile, defensive coordinator, doesn't always get
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Speaker 2: to work as individually as he was like, but I
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Speaker 2: saw him with the defensive backs yesterday getting into it
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Speaker 2: and he loves to, you know, be a football coach.
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Speaker 2: And he talked after practice about the mentality that's really
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Speaker 2: important to them on defense.
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Speaker 9: About just the mentality of your defense, Like if people
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Speaker 9: are going to be able to run the ball on it,
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Speaker 9: you know, it's a long day, and what that does
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Speaker 9: to a team psychologically in a game, it can be
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Speaker 9: really really bad. You know. Defensively, that's great, Like, hey,
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Speaker 9: guys make some plays in the past game, and obviously
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Speaker 9: you're always trying to.
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Speaker 3: Do a great job there.
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Speaker 9: But I think there is a physical hide that comes
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Speaker 9: for offensive players when they're ab to run the ball
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Speaker 9: at the defense, and for us on defense, you know,
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Speaker 9: that's something that you're always trying to counteract. You know,
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Speaker 9: the physicality and staying square. Doing your job in a
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Speaker 9: run game and defenses is built on trust, you know,
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Speaker 9: and we say in our room, trust comes and drops
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Speaker 9: and it's lost in buckets. So you know, if you're
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Speaker 9: doing your job every day, you develop a trust and
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Speaker 9: appreciation of love for each other. But when you have
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Speaker 9: guys that don't do their job, trust can be gone
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Speaker 9: pretty quickly.
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Speaker 1: As we know.
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Speaker 2: I listen to Camp talk all day, but when he
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Speaker 2: talks about his philosophy on defense, they're the best run
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Speaker 2: stopping team last year. It's what they hang their hat
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Speaker 2: on that's going to be the core of it. But
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Speaker 2: also building that trust within the defense on the back
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Speaker 2: end as well. Yes they gotta stop the run, but
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Speaker 2: also not at the expense of the past. John, I
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Speaker 2: think that's a focus at this point, having that trust
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Speaker 2: even when the new guys coming in.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I I'm glad to use that uh sound bite
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Speaker 4: because everybody who rights me is always talking about s
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Speaker 4: stopping the pass and getting sacks, and A Camp's exactly right.
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Speaker 4: It's nice to be able to stop the pass. Uh.
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Speaker 4: But guess what, sometimes when people throw, they throw them incomplete.
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Speaker 4: So sometimes if you don't do your job, you can
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Speaker 4: you can do okay, if you don't stop the run,
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Speaker 4: They're never gonna stop running, So you do not win
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Speaker 4: if you don't stop the run. Brian, I think the
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Speaker 4: secondary is probably the hidden area where this team might
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Speaker 4: really accelerate next year. Uh, they didn't draft that much
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Speaker 4: because they didn't have to, adding Travis Hunter, adding Kayla Ransall,
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Speaker 4: and seeing Antonio Johnson continue to ascend. That's the area
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Speaker 4: to me where if you're going down those intangible lists
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Speaker 4: that they used to with the little check marks, Jenwars
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Speaker 4: might start winning those in the pregame analysis because they
16:10
Speaker 4: may be significantly better. And they were already good with
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Speaker 4: their turnovers last year.
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Speaker 3: So two days. The first thing is you talk about
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Speaker 3: the secondary, and yesterday Monterek Brown made a play down
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Speaker 3: the field where he took the ball away. I think
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Speaker 3: it was from Parker Washington. His game just keeps getting better, right.
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Speaker 3: I remember when he showed up as a seventh round pick.
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Speaker 1: Two guys who they let develop and ride themselves, by.
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Speaker 3: The way, perfect example. He has this chip on his
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Speaker 3: shoulder and always has and they paid him and here
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Speaker 3: he is delivering. So everyone you talked about Antonio Johnson
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Speaker 3: stepped up. Big timeline five interceptions type for the team lead.
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Speaker 3: I think people always focused on Devin Lloyd and they
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Speaker 3: didn't pay enough attention to the evolution.
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Speaker 4: Antonio, another guy in the same vein.
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, a guy that comes along there, and
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Speaker 3: Caleb brandsaw on Travis Hunder all of that, the secondary's
16:59
Speaker 3: outstand The thing that I like so much about Camp
17:02
Speaker 3: is that he coaches with the same intensity that he
17:04
Speaker 3: expect from his players. He coaches with the same mindset
17:08
Speaker 3: that he wants to see from his players. All that
17:10
Speaker 3: he talked about is the way that he approaches the game.
17:13
Speaker 3: His players love him, They love playing for him. It's
17:16
Speaker 3: so different than the guy who was here before him,
17:19
Speaker 3: and you can tell that they want to take every
17:22
Speaker 3: everything they can from him. Tie on the practice field,
17:24
Speaker 3: I think they know he's going to be a head
17:25
Speaker 3: coach sooner rather than later, so they are maximizing their
17:29
Speaker 3: time right now because they know. It's rare that you
17:31
Speaker 3: have a coach who is that invested in you and
17:35
Speaker 3: willing to go sell out for you with the scheme.
17:38
Speaker 3: And I enjoyed because he is terrific. He's going to
17:40
Speaker 3: be a head coach and be.
17:41
Speaker 2: A head coach soon soon, very very soon. One quick
17:44
Speaker 2: other note, what's on the defensive side of football. Trayvon
17:47
Speaker 2: Walker speaking after practice yesterday as well, and he's finally
17:50
Speaker 2: healthy again as he battled with a knee injury and
17:52
Speaker 2: then his hand injury or his wrist injury last season.
17:55
Speaker 2: He talked a little bit about the developing dynamic in
17:58
Speaker 2: the d line room.
18:00
Speaker 10: Great and like I said, and we got a lot
18:01
Speaker 10: of great Ricky's two that came in that're willing to learn.
18:04
Speaker 10: I feel like everybody's kind of even the young guys
18:07
Speaker 10: if they see something in the drills that some guys
18:09
Speaker 10: might take a step too far inside. Everybody's being very
18:12
Speaker 10: critical of each other. So I feel like we've kind
18:15
Speaker 10: of raising that standard in the room itself to where
18:18
Speaker 10: you don't have to be a veteran to come in
18:19
Speaker 10: and you know, kind of critique some things, like you've
18:22
Speaker 10: been playing football for a while, you can critique these
18:24
Speaker 10: little bit of details in here. So so I feel
18:26
Speaker 10: like the trajectory in the defensive line room, the chemistry
18:29
Speaker 10: amongst each other. Everybody's willing to take that coach from anybody.
18:32
Speaker 2: So if it's going great, right, you're talking about you know,
18:35
Speaker 2: the new players coming in and contributing as well, and
18:38
Speaker 2: they are open minded in that way. It's not just hey,
18:40
Speaker 2: come in, this is how we do it, no matter
18:42
Speaker 2: what it's They're very open minded to different ideas, and
18:44
Speaker 2: I feel like that collaboration has helped them be more successful,
18:47
Speaker 2: at least through the first year of the regime.
18:49
Speaker 3: You guys are in the locker room all the time.
18:51
Speaker 3: There's a chemistry on that defense. Those guys want to
18:54
Speaker 3: win and they have this mindset about everyone else coming
18:58
Speaker 3: in and contributing. You talk about all the players that
19:01
Speaker 3: the Jaguars have brought in here and him getting signed
19:05
Speaker 3: this year to a deal that works for the Jaguars
19:08
Speaker 3: cap because I think he's a guy who's capable of
19:10
Speaker 3: making a lot of money to have him. He is
19:14
Speaker 3: for all the good players there are. I think he's
19:16
Speaker 3: the rock on this defense around everything else is built
19:20
Speaker 3: because you can count on him wherever you line him up.
19:23
Speaker 3: You line him up on the strong side of the
19:25
Speaker 3: weak side, you put him inside, you put him outside.
19:28
Speaker 3: If he stays healthy, he is a double digit sack
19:30
Speaker 3: guy year after year after year. And when he says
19:33
Speaker 3: he's feeling healthy and good, Jaguars fans should be elated
19:37
Speaker 3: because he's that good when he is.
19:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the immovable force. I mean, he's that guy.
19:46
Speaker 4: A topic yesterday when he spoke to the media was
19:49
Speaker 4: his grip strength on the hand that he hurt. I
19:52
Speaker 4: thought it was interesting that he talked about that a
19:55
Speaker 4: little bit. He was very he talked about it very
19:59
Speaker 4: you know, uh, vaguely last year's you want to give
20:04
Speaker 4: anything away. But I sort of asked him, I said,
20:07
Speaker 4: what's it like when you have your grip strength back?
20:09
Speaker 4: And it was a stupid question, but that's what I do,
20:12
Speaker 4: and it was very clear. Think about it. If you're
20:15
Speaker 4: a defensive end and you're playing like this rather than
20:18
Speaker 4: being able to do this right, that's a big difference.
20:21
Speaker 4: So I think that's something that's one of those hidden
20:25
Speaker 4: things that when fans watch they see Trayvon forty four
20:29
Speaker 4: out there, Oh well he's out there. He was out there,
20:31
Speaker 4: but it was like number twenty one or something like.
20:35
Speaker 4: It wasn't really forty four, but him healthy is a
20:40
Speaker 4: dramatic difference on what was already a really good defense. Y.
20:43
Speaker 2: It's interesting cause you can still find ways to trip
20:46
Speaker 2: people up with a clubhand, even you can't grab at.
20:50
Speaker 5: That.
20:50
Speaker 4: It's so easy not to notice that because we see
20:53
Speaker 4: them from a distance and you don't realize what they're
20:55
Speaker 4: trying to do out there.
20:56
Speaker 1: But a defensive end not being able to grab with
20:58
Speaker 1: one hand is insane.
20:59
Speaker 3: Just I hadn't really put it all together. But the
21:02
Speaker 3: defense was really good last year without him being able
21:05
Speaker 3: to contribute at even fifty percent most of the year.
21:08
Speaker 3: The hand the knee. People forgot about the knee.
21:10
Speaker 4: And then found a way at the end of last season.
21:13
Speaker 4: We always measure in sacks. Yeah, but how many big
21:15
Speaker 4: plays on fourth and one?
21:16
Speaker 3: Lots of big playage.
21:18
Speaker 2: All right, say with here on jags Am, we're going
21:20
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about Ozone's mail bag questions,
21:22
Speaker 2: and you need the answers as well. Welcome back in
21:40
Speaker 2: the mail bag questions, and John's gonna do his best
21:42
Speaker 2: to give you.
21:43
Speaker 1: His why hist answers.
21:44
Speaker 2: We're going to start out with Charles from Riverside, who says, hello, John,
21:48
Speaker 2: we have the thirteen personnel package as a new offensive
21:51
Speaker 2: trend in the NFL. On the defensive side, it may
21:53
Speaker 2: be the big Nickel package. Is this the response to
21:56
Speaker 2: the move towards thirteen personnel which players you kind of see.
21:59
Speaker 1: Is the money back for the Jaguars.
22:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure that it's a response necessarily, as
22:07
Speaker 4: the league's sort of evolving in a direction. They're already playing.
22:10
Speaker 4: Jaguars last year played a lot of three safeties. It's
22:14
Speaker 4: been it seems like it's been doing that for about
22:16
Speaker 4: three or four years, where you've started hearing a little
22:18
Speaker 4: bit more about the big nickel maybe twenty one or
22:21
Speaker 4: twenty two. So the thirteen personnel is more of a
22:25
Speaker 4: response to that, meaning teams have noticed that more and
22:31
Speaker 4: more teams are playing back, and you're maybe twenty percent
22:34
Speaker 4: of the time NFL teams are in base. So I
22:38
Speaker 4: think it's more that it's so hard to really define
22:42
Speaker 4: Brian exactly. You know, Okay, this trend. Now we're doing this.
22:46
Speaker 4: It's not like there's just one sheet of play, so
22:49
Speaker 4: there's all sorts of things going on. I do think
22:53
Speaker 4: defenses will adapt off of this. The Jaguars already have
22:57
Speaker 4: answers in terms of having three safety looks. I guess
23:01
Speaker 4: if there's a quote moneybacker, that was a little bit
23:03
Speaker 4: of a new term to me. I'm not on the
23:05
Speaker 4: internet that much.
23:06
Speaker 3: Moneybacker means a guy like Devin Lloyd who has seven takeaways.
23:09
Speaker 4: I think, well, I think what they're talking about is
23:12
Speaker 4: more that Antonio Johnson got a little more. Different teams
23:19
Speaker 4: call it different things. A lot of teams are calling
23:22
Speaker 4: them hybrids where they don't really have a position. They
23:24
Speaker 4: can sort of line up with safety outside back or
23:26
Speaker 4: do a lot of different things. And there's a star
23:29
Speaker 4: I guess something else people call him. I guess Antonio
23:32
Speaker 4: Johnson is more that guy than any But it's so
23:38
Speaker 4: hard in this day and age because everybody still wants
23:40
Speaker 4: to talk about the depth chart. Yeah, four three four
23:44
Speaker 4: it it. It really doesn't apply anymore in terms of positions.
23:48
Speaker 4: So many teams, you are doing so many different things,
23:50
Speaker 4: so many packages that you would need like four or
23:53
Speaker 4: five depth charts per teams, and the internet doesn't really
23:57
Speaker 4: adhere to that sort of structure. Maybe ned an Excel spreadsheet,
24:00
Speaker 4: a different tabs.
24:00
Speaker 3: Now, remember there used to be a time where was
24:03
Speaker 3: you know, do these scheme schemes or do scheme players?
24:06
Speaker 3: And the scheming of schemes I think is long gone.
24:08
Speaker 3: I think now you're scheming matchups, which is what you
24:10
Speaker 3: were saying. If you're scheming schemes, then as well. Thirteen
24:13
Speaker 3: personnel came about because they were seeing so many nickel
24:16
Speaker 3: and dime defenses, and so they wanted to get bigger
24:18
Speaker 3: players against smaller players. But what you're really doing with
24:21
Speaker 3: a guy like Antonio Johnson is finding a guy that
24:23
Speaker 3: he can match up with because he's six foot two
24:25
Speaker 3: and he's got broad shoulders and long arms and can
24:29
Speaker 3: play against bigger guys. So this is really an issue
24:32
Speaker 3: to my way of thinking that the league is about
24:35
Speaker 3: scheming players getting the matchups that you like, as opposed to, well,
24:40
Speaker 3: they're playing with three tight ends, so we're going to
24:42
Speaker 3: play with three safeties. It's about where does Antonio Johnson lineup,
24:45
Speaker 3: How does Ventro Miller fit in with his speed, how
24:48
Speaker 3: do we play to our strength, our guys strength against.
24:52
Speaker 4: Their strength, and more and more. In the draft and
24:54
Speaker 4: lead up to the draft, you hear the analysts talk
24:57
Speaker 4: about that sort of hybrid player who can go anywhere,
25:01
Speaker 4: play safety, play linebacker. Probably doesn't even really have a position,
25:05
Speaker 4: and we're trying to fit him into these old positions. Right,
25:08
Speaker 4: They're just athletes can go make plays.
25:10
Speaker 3: Maybe it's the backer that hit in my head, but
25:11
Speaker 3: I heard moneybacker and I thought well, the guy that
25:13
Speaker 3: I think can play at a higher level that we
25:16
Speaker 3: haven't seen is Ben trom with his speed. He hasn't
25:19
Speaker 3: been able to stay healthy. And then of course Devin
25:21
Speaker 3: had that amazing year last year. But the guy that
25:23
Speaker 3: I'm really interested in who can be a matchup problem
25:26
Speaker 3: for some teams, and with camping Ely's defensive scheme, I
25:30
Speaker 3: think betro Miller is someone watched too.
25:32
Speaker 2: I think he'll get that opportunity as well. Johnn you
25:34
Speaker 2: mentioned the depth chart. Joe from Homer Glenn, Illinois says
25:37
Speaker 2: he saw quote attributed to Jaguars head coach Liam Cohen
25:40
Speaker 2: about the running back position being wide open in terms
25:42
Speaker 2: of the depth chart.
25:43
Speaker 1: Are depth charts published by the team required?
25:46
Speaker 2: If so, why who would a mandatory published depth chart
25:49
Speaker 2: benefit the media or other teams?
25:51
Speaker 4: Well, look, depth charts are done off season. Nobody doesn't.
25:58
Speaker 4: They must be published and made available during in the
26:03
Speaker 4: team's weekly release on Monday during the regular season. Is why? Uh?
26:08
Speaker 4: As soon as they start doing the unofficial depth chart
26:10
Speaker 4: in the I think it's the preseason. Foras pre season
26:13
Speaker 4: it becomes news because oh, all of a sudden, it
26:16
Speaker 4: it's it's official, unofficial, it it. It says unofficial on
26:21
Speaker 4: the release, but we take it as official because probably
26:24
Speaker 4: the team is giving you something. It's usually pretty vague anyway.
26:28
Speaker 4: So who's a benefit of benefits fans, you know, and
26:32
Speaker 4: it benefits the media because it it at least takes
26:36
Speaker 4: away some level of mystery to the process. So how
26:40
Speaker 4: important is it? Not particularly, but it, uh, it does
26:45
Speaker 4: provide some structure, and uh, there are times the depth
26:49
Speaker 4: charts say, okay, well they have him a week side.
26:51
Speaker 4: Uh officially a lot of times they throw them on
26:54
Speaker 4: there and they can really play hybrid spots.
26:56
Speaker 3: I think the only people for whom a depth chart
26:58
Speaker 3: really matters, cause let's be honest, they they put this
27:00
Speaker 3: together in a form so that it seems logical to you,
27:04
Speaker 3: but then they go up and line up in different
27:05
Speaker 3: formations three wide receivers or three tight ends, and it
27:09
Speaker 3: doesn't it doesn't matter. It matters to you a broadcaster, right,
27:11
Speaker 3: a guy who's getting ready for a game, especially in
27:14
Speaker 3: the preseason with the television, where I need to know
27:16
Speaker 3: what is this guy left tackle or right tackle or
27:19
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. For a broadcaster who's getting
27:21
Speaker 3: ready for a game, the depth chart means something to
27:23
Speaker 3: everyone else. It's just a way of structuring names and
27:25
Speaker 3: getting a general idea. Well, this is a really good player,
27:28
Speaker 3: and this is a young player who's got to get better.
27:30
Speaker 3: I just I think it's lost. It's it used to
27:32
Speaker 3: be something that was really important when we were talking
27:34
Speaker 3: about schemes. Now we're talking about players and they move
27:36
Speaker 3: guys all over.
27:37
Speaker 4: Well, back in the old days, you either had a
27:39
Speaker 4: four to three or three fourth player all the time.
27:41
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
27:41
Speaker 4: Now you know, there's seven or eight different personnel packages. Oh,
27:46
Speaker 4: he plays three high safety, he's is he a starter? Well,
27:50
Speaker 4: he's a starter in his package. Yeah, So you really
27:53
Speaker 4: I always try to in these days talk in terms
27:57
Speaker 4: of fourteen fifteen sixteen guys and he sat the ball
27:59
Speaker 4: can tribute because guess what, you're not cutting your nickel safety,
28:03
Speaker 4: you know. So that's more the way to look at
28:05
Speaker 4: depth charts. But that's hard because it's not in the formula.
28:09
Speaker 2: We still got a couple months til we get one,
28:11
Speaker 2: so we're gonna make it up until then. Our final
28:13
Speaker 2: ozone mail bag question is leaned from Wynne Darden says
28:16
Speaker 2: the slow but steady progress of players such as Sam Donald, Baker,
28:20
Speaker 2: Mayfield and Trevor Lawrence, do you think the majority of
28:22
Speaker 2: NFL of the NFL has lost patience in developing NFL quarterbacks?
28:27
Speaker 4: This is interesting. I without question they have. And yet
28:33
Speaker 4: now you you wonder, Brian if the trend might come
28:38
Speaker 4: back around because you've seen this story, right and Baker Mayfield. Uh, Trevor,
28:43
Speaker 4: I don't know how long two you can develop it.
28:47
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones. Now the team, we
28:52
Speaker 4: have a body of work where these guys have achieved
28:56
Speaker 4: at a high level after being deemed busts or whatever
28:59
Speaker 4: that word it is. So now do teams sort of
29:02
Speaker 4: pull back from that and say, you know what, I've
29:03
Speaker 4: seen it now I can afford to wait what they
29:05
Speaker 4: used to do. So definitely they lost patience for a while.
29:08
Speaker 4: I mean it was ridiculous for a while, and it's
29:11
Speaker 4: still a quick get out of here. But I think
29:15
Speaker 4: more and more teams are accepting the idea of, oh,
29:18
Speaker 4: we can give a guy a second chance, and that's
29:19
Speaker 4: a legitimate way to go about our quarterback position.
29:22
Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting question because I don't think
29:24
Speaker 2: that the people have gotten patient with their draft picks
29:27
Speaker 2: as much. Yeah, it's more that they'll give someone else
29:29
Speaker 2: a try.
29:31
Speaker 4: But you wonder if they might come back and start
29:32
Speaker 4: giving the draft like guy this team gave Trevor.
29:34
Speaker 1: You know sure, I think that's a little bit of
29:36
Speaker 1: a differences.
29:37
Speaker 4: There were a lot of circumstances with Trevor, but they
29:39
Speaker 4: could have there were times they could have lost that faith.
29:43
Speaker 3: I think you look at a guy like Matt Stafford,
29:45
Speaker 3: who last year was the best quarterback in football forty
29:47
Speaker 3: six touchdowns right at NFL MVP. He put up big
29:50
Speaker 3: numbers in Detroit, but he never got Detroit over the hump, right,
29:53
Speaker 3: I mean, they were never a great team when he
29:55
Speaker 3: was there. And now what is he going into season
29:57
Speaker 3: eighteen out there? And so your timeline on quarterbacks is
30:01
Speaker 3: much longer. Rare is the Peyton Manning who you knew
30:03
Speaker 3: was going to be a star from the moment that
30:05
Speaker 3: he came in and he had incredible success and the
30:08
Speaker 3: Colts started winning and they didn't stop until he left.
30:11
Speaker 3: It wasn't that way for Stafford, who was really good,
30:15
Speaker 3: but it wasn't until later in his career. And I
30:17
Speaker 3: think when you look at a guy like Stafford right now,
30:19
Speaker 3: you can look at a Trevor Lawrence, a Baker Mayfield,
30:22
Speaker 3: even Justin Herbert who's been good but hasn't been great
30:24
Speaker 3: in LA. Right, And if you're sitting in LA and
30:27
Speaker 3: you're looking at Stafford and you're a charger span, you
30:30
Speaker 3: can see where because he's big, strong, smart, tough, hard
30:34
Speaker 3: work or all that, well, maybe he can become Matthew Stafford.
30:37
Speaker 3: Maybe this incredibly talented guy over time can finally become
30:41
Speaker 3: that guy.
30:41
Speaker 2: That's a unique example too, because Jared Goff was their situation.
30:44
Speaker 2: It's almost like they were both kind of like, we
30:46
Speaker 2: need more and they just swapped.
30:48
Speaker 1: And then they both found success in ultimate places.
30:50
Speaker 3: Don't give up too soon, yeah, And it shows you
30:52
Speaker 3: there is.
30:54
Speaker 4: With a quarterback. A lot of the quick give up,
31:00
Speaker 4: I think is because external pressure becomes so high of
31:05
Speaker 4: you know, there's so much outside noise when a guy
31:07
Speaker 4: doesn't come in, and it's almost like there's this eighteen
31:10
Speaker 4: or nineteen game window that they have. They have a rookie.
31:13
Speaker 4: If they struggle as a rookie, then in the first month,
31:15
Speaker 4: if you're not doing it, all of a sudden, the
31:17
Speaker 4: fans say, oh, he's a bus. He's a bus. He's
31:19
Speaker 4: a bus because look so and so did it, so teams.
31:22
Speaker 4: It's hard for teams to push through that noise. Great
31:28
Speaker 4: franchises can do it. Stable franchises can do it. Franchises
31:31
Speaker 4: that are looking for answers have more trouble with that.
31:33
Speaker 4: So I think it's still gonna be team to team,
31:36
Speaker 4: but more Ky's points the best one teams are much
31:39
Speaker 4: more willing to give second chances.
31:41
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31:44
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Speaker 7: I've been very pleased with the way that he has
32:08
Speaker 7: attacked this offseason, the way that he takes the meeting
32:12
Speaker 7: room to the practice, you know, and how that's looked.
32:15
Speaker 7: We're being a little bit more intentional about usage and
32:18
Speaker 7: chemistry with him this spring and trying to get a
32:22
Speaker 7: true connection that we didn't quite have last spring or
32:24
Speaker 7: last training camp, if you will. So I've been very
32:27
Speaker 7: pleased with how he's taken the things that we asked
32:30
Speaker 7: him to do to get better at and to be
32:33
Speaker 7: intentional about those reps. But you know, I know everybody's ah,
32:37
Speaker 7: you know, it's down year and Fantasy and this, that
32:40
Speaker 7: and the third. I mean, when you're on a good team,
32:43
Speaker 7: I think that typically matters a little bit more.
32:46
Speaker 2: I'm going talking a little bit about Brian Thomas Junior
32:48
Speaker 2: working on his chemistry with Trevor Lawrence. So she said
32:51
Speaker 2: after Fantasy Team miss he just wants to win this.
32:54
Speaker 4: That and the third and exactly right. And look, BTJ
32:59
Speaker 4: did have some issues early last season, but as earlier
33:04
Speaker 4: in the show, I think he's got a real opportunity
33:08
Speaker 4: and with a pressure off maybe, I mean, you know,
33:11
Speaker 4: last year, living up to the rookie year, I don't
33:13
Speaker 4: think it's gonna be very hard for him to I
33:16
Speaker 4: don't know what expectations are, but I don't think it's
33:18
Speaker 4: it's very hard at off for him to meet what
33:21
Speaker 4: they want and what he wants, which is major improvement
33:25
Speaker 4: and to be a real threat in this offense.
33:27
Speaker 3: I think the threat part of it is the most
33:29
Speaker 3: interesting part because when he's producing, even at a modicum
33:34
Speaker 3: of what he did as a rookie, right, even is
33:36
Speaker 3: a fraction of that. When he's getting down the field
33:38
Speaker 3: and making a big catch a game man, that creates
33:41
Speaker 3: all sorts of mismatches across the field, all sorts of
33:44
Speaker 3: defensive schemes that have to adjust to one player in
33:48
Speaker 3: Jacobe Myers. And here comes Parker Washington and Brenton Strange
33:51
Speaker 3: and makes youll tooting out of the backfield. And there's
33:53
Speaker 3: a lot of places where the Jaguars will benefit by
33:56
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas Junior just being on the field. But now
33:59
Speaker 3: if he's product, they've been getting back to where he was.
34:02
Speaker 3: It just seems like it's pushing all your chips in.
34:04
Speaker 4: And I think fantasy football skews analysis a lot of
34:10
Speaker 4: times that you dull right. It's a league of big
34:13
Speaker 4: plays and big moments. When you look back on Jaguars
34:16
Speaker 4: big moments last year, Yeah, BTJ had a lot of
34:19
Speaker 4: Kansas City. They'll bea Kansas City without him. The Raiders
34:22
Speaker 4: where he got hurt, he had some big moments. The
34:25
Speaker 4: offense is a little different without him on the field.
34:29
Speaker 2: UH. For this week, OTAs continue we want to preview
34:32
Speaker 2: by this time. Next week it will be Mini camp.
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Speaker 2: John which mini camp the next step it is.
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Speaker 4: I it is different because it has a different name
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Speaker 4: and it's mandatory, right.
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Speaker 3: I'm lost as that next week already or the week.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a little bit different.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to bring up the schedule because normally they
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Speaker 2: do ten OTAs and then they do Mini camp, but
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Speaker 2: this year they're doing I think six or seven OTAs,
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Speaker 2: then Mini Camp and then the rest of the OTAs.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, next week minicamp and differences getting aside,
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Speaker 4: the media and coverage is every day that week, so
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Speaker 4: people who are consuming copy and trying to keep up
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Speaker 4: with it, there will be a different vibe next week.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so we'll have you covered all of those days
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Speaker 2: of course, and first day is going to be next
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Speaker 2: Tuesday when we have jag Zams.
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Speaker 1: We'll give you a live look at that as well.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy OTAs this week. We'll see you next week for minicamps.