Latest / DISGRACELAND / Selena: Tejano, Deception, and the Death of the Madonna of Mexico
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Disgraceland as a production of Double Elvis. The stories about
- 0:15Speaker 1: Selena are insane. She was only ten years old when
- 0:19Speaker 1: she began to sing professionally. At sixteen, she was crowned
- 0:23Speaker 1: Female Vocalist of the Year at the TANO Music Awards.
- 0:28Speaker 1: She was the first Tano artist on the Billboard two
- 0:30Speaker 1: hundred and nineteen ninety four and was second only to
- 0:33Speaker 1: Janet Jackson when it came to album sales by a
- 0:36Speaker 1: female artist. And she was also the victim and one
- 0:39Speaker 1: of the most shocking and high profile murder cases in
- 0:42Speaker 1: music history. Selena was the poster child for Latin pop
- 0:46Speaker 1: in the late twentieth century, at a time when Latin
- 0:49Speaker 1: pop was entering its renaissance and finding a larger, more
- 0:52Speaker 1: mainstream audience. If Latin pop was the question, Selena was
- 0:58Speaker 1: the answer. And just as quick as she ascended, she
- 1:01Speaker 1: was silenced. But during her brief shining moment in the spotlight,
- 1:05Speaker 1: she made great music. And that music you heard at
- 1:08Speaker 1: the top of the show that wasn't great music. That
- 1:11Speaker 1: was a preset loop from my mellotron called Buried with
- 1:14Speaker 1: My Boots on MK one. I played you that loop
- 1:19Speaker 1: because I can't afford the Rights to Take a Bow
- 1:21Speaker 1: by Madonna? And why would I play you that specific
- 1:25Speaker 1: slice of bedtime story gold? Could I afford it? Because
- 1:29Speaker 1: that was the number one song in America on March
- 1:33Speaker 1: thirty first, nineteen ninety five, And that was the day
- 1:36Speaker 1: that the queen of Tejano music was shot dead in
- 1:39Speaker 1: a cheap motel. On this episode a child Prodigy, the
- 1:44Speaker 1: Rise of Tejano a motel murder in Latin pop legend Selena,
- 1:50Speaker 1: I'm Jake Brennan and this is Disgraceland. Trinidad Espinoza heard
- 2:18Speaker 1: it first. The sound was loud, muffled, short, thunderous. Trinidad
- 2:24Speaker 1: couldn't tell if it came from the inside or outside
- 2:26Speaker 1: of the hotel. It sounded like an engine misfiring or
- 2:30Speaker 1: blown tire. Whatever it was, it wasn't an everyday sound.
- 2:35Speaker 1: Of all people, Trinidad would know. He was one of
- 2:38Speaker 1: the maintenance guys at the day's inn in Corpus Christi.
- 2:41Speaker 1: He knew every sound that place made, the clanks and
- 2:44Speaker 1: hiss of ac units, the water and the pipes, the
- 2:47Speaker 1: grumble of the furnace. He could feel its vibration's course
- 2:50Speaker 1: throughout the walls in every small room in the motel,
- 2:54Speaker 1: probably better than anyone. He was intimate with the sound
- 2:57Speaker 1: of the traffic speeding past on nearby in yours date
- 3:00Speaker 1: thirty seven. He could tell what time of day it
- 3:02Speaker 1: was just by how the traffic sounded at any given moment.
- 3:06Speaker 1: But this, this was different. This sound wasn't like any
- 3:10Speaker 1: of those sounds, those sounds that Trinidad knew by heart.
- 3:14Speaker 1: Trinidad was in the middle of repairing one of the
- 3:16Speaker 1: dryers in the laundry room. The thing had been on
- 3:19Speaker 1: the fritz for days, and finally it had just conked out,
- 3:22Speaker 1: probably a fuse. He had pulled it out from the wall.
- 3:25Speaker 1: It was crouched behind it, taking out screws with this
- 3:28Speaker 1: cordless drill that desperately needed a new battery, cursing every
- 3:32Speaker 1: time the drill lost its torque. He was sandwiched between
- 3:35Speaker 1: the back of the dryer and the lint covered wall.
- 3:38Speaker 1: When he heard it, Trinidad stopped what he was doing
- 3:42Speaker 1: and waited for the loud noise to repeat, or for
- 3:45Speaker 1: another noise to follow. But he heard nothing, just the distant,
- 3:49Speaker 1: moderate hum of traffic on I thirty seven. Based on
- 3:53Speaker 1: the amount of hum, he guessed it was just about lunchtime.
- 3:57Speaker 1: If that sound did come from the inside of them,
- 4:00Speaker 1: it could have been anything. Something that could have stopped working,
- 4:03Speaker 1: died out, broke, busted, something that would either need fixing
- 4:07Speaker 1: or need retiring. Things that needed fixing needed Trinidad. Things
- 4:12Speaker 1: that needed retiring, Well, that was someone else's problem. What now,
- 4:16Speaker 1: he thought, wiping sweat from his forehead with the back
- 4:19Speaker 1: of his hand that held the drill. He had the
- 4:21Speaker 1: dryer to fix. And then there were the faulty fluorescence
- 4:24Speaker 1: in room one twenty one in the AC unit. In
- 4:27Speaker 1: one fifty two, TVs weren't working in a few of
- 4:30Speaker 1: the other rooms. In one of the outlets in the
- 4:31Speaker 1: lobby was quote unquote temperamental had a mind of its own.
- 4:35Speaker 1: The front desk clerk said Trinidad had too much on
- 4:38Speaker 1: his plate. He couldn't handle another problem today. He was
- 4:41Speaker 1: too old for this shit. He stepped outside the laundry
- 4:45Speaker 1: room to the exterior corridor of the motel to see
- 4:48Speaker 1: if he could figure out where the bang had come from,
- 4:51Speaker 1: And as soon as he walked outside, he heard it. Screams, shouts,
- 4:59Speaker 1: two women's printing down the corridor. The one in front
- 5:02Speaker 1: was the one screaming her long, dark hair flailed chaotically
- 5:05Speaker 1: behind her. Her shirt was bloody, her eyes wide, teary, panicked.
- 5:10Speaker 1: He couldn't make out what she was saying, if she
- 5:12Speaker 1: was saying anything. Her incoherence screamed to the sounds of
- 5:15Speaker 1: a desperate person. The woman chasing her was yelling at
- 5:21Speaker 1: her to stop. She was shorter, older soccer mom, haircut,
- 5:24Speaker 1: and determined stride. As she ran, her arms pumped up
- 5:28Speaker 1: and down in the air. She was desperate, but controlled,
- 5:32Speaker 1: and Trinidad saw something in her right hand, something that
- 5:34Speaker 1: was in and out of view as her arms pumped
- 5:37Speaker 1: up and down. It took him a few seconds, but
- 5:39Speaker 1: as soon as he made out what it was, he
- 5:41Speaker 1: went for the nearest phone. She had a gun. By
- 5:45Speaker 1: the time the bloody, panicked woman made it inside the
- 5:48Speaker 1: front lobby of the motel, the shorter woman who had
- 5:51Speaker 1: been chasing her had given up, turned around, walked away, calmly, cool, collected,
- 5:56Speaker 1: like it had never happened. She went back to the room.
- 5:59Speaker 1: The room they came came from, Room one fifty eight.
- 6:04Speaker 1: Shanavello was working the front desk of the day's in
- 6:07Speaker 1: lobby when the bloody woman came rushing through the glass door.
- 6:10Speaker 1: Shauna jumped, gasped, hand over her mouth. She couldn't believe it.
- 6:14Speaker 1: It wasn't just the blood that shocked her. The blood
- 6:17Speaker 1: was everywhere, all over this woman's tracksuit, smeared in a
- 6:21Speaker 1: path that ran from outside all the way to where
- 6:23Speaker 1: she stood, pulling at her feet on the lobby floor.
- 6:27Speaker 1: Blood was one thing, But what had Shauna really shook
- 6:31Speaker 1: was that she was pretty sure that this bloody woman
- 6:34Speaker 1: was Selena. Selena Kitania Perez, the undisputed queen of Tejano music,
- 6:40Speaker 1: Corpus Christie's pride and Joy, a local celebrity with a
- 6:44Speaker 1: massive audience and a real down to Earth's head on
- 6:47Speaker 1: her strong shoulders, lead singer of the group Lostinos, Grammy
- 6:51Speaker 1: winner the Teuhano Music Awards Female Entertainer of the Year
- 6:55Speaker 1: eight years running. Now, she was the unlikeliest of superstars,
- 7:00Speaker 1: just a regular person, a next door neighbor type, humble, kind, proud,
- 7:05Speaker 1: the kind of celebrity you felt you could just trust instinctively,
- 7:09Speaker 1: no questions asked, and she was only twenty three, and
- 7:12Speaker 1: not one iota of her fame had gone to her head.
- 7:15Speaker 1: Everyone loved her, especially here in Corpus Christi Texas, her hometown.
- 7:23Speaker 1: Shanna recognized Selena underneath the blood and the sweat and
- 7:26Speaker 1: the panic, recognized her voice as she shouted wildly into
- 7:30Speaker 1: the room. Locked the door, Someone locked the door. She's
- 7:32Speaker 1: gonna kill me. Goosebumps ran down Shawna's spine. She went
- 7:37Speaker 1: from hero worship to chaos control real quick. Then Selena
- 7:43Speaker 1: collapsed on the floor of the lobby. It had taken
- 7:45Speaker 1: all of her energy to get her there, get her
- 7:47Speaker 1: to safety. Her body crumbled so suddenly, it was like
- 7:50Speaker 1: every bone in her body had disappeared, and she went
- 7:52Speaker 1: limp and the lively superstar was lifeless. Another motel employee
- 8:00Speaker 1: the lobby, Reuben de Leon, kneeled over her as her
- 8:02Speaker 1: eyelids fluttered and her eyes started to roll around in
- 8:05Speaker 1: her head. Who Ruben asked her, Who's gonna kill you?
- 8:09Speaker 1: The blood kept coming, and there was more of it
- 8:12Speaker 1: than any of them realized. Yolanda Selena muttered with some
- 8:16Speaker 1: of her last labored breaths Room one fifty eight. Outside,
- 8:24Speaker 1: it was getting loud. Cars came rushing from all directions. Cops, locals,
- 8:29Speaker 1: rubberneckers tuned into police skin her action, and of course
- 8:32Speaker 1: the press. The woman who had chased Selena outside had
- 8:35Speaker 1: left Room one fifty eight. It was sitting behind the
- 8:38Speaker 1: wheel of her blue Chevy pickup in the motel parking lot.
- 8:41Speaker 1: It idled, the sky darkened. She could feel the storm
- 8:45Speaker 1: about to roll in. She was frozen, couldn't decide what
- 8:49Speaker 1: to do, to back up, to pull forward, to move
- 8:52Speaker 1: or not to move. She held the thirty eight on
- 8:54Speaker 1: her lap and sat still suicide As painless crackled from
- 8:58Speaker 1: the truck shitty am radio. Yolanda started to shake cars
- 9:02Speaker 1: the kind of uniform cops drove with big V eight's
- 9:05Speaker 1: and Ratiley pickups. Off duty specials rumbled down the I
- 9:08Speaker 1: thirty seven off ramp alongside the SWAT team in m
- 9:12Speaker 1: v's helmets, guns drawn, hands fixed and ready. Position on
- 9:16Speaker 1: the seat of her Chevy. Yolanda's cell phone buzzed. She
- 9:20Speaker 1: let it go off for a few and then answered it.
- 9:22Speaker 1: It was the police. They had her surrounded. They knew
- 9:26Speaker 1: she was Yolanda Saldivar, and they knew she had just
- 9:29Speaker 1: shot Selena. Yolanda went full hysteria. She raised the thirty
- 9:36Speaker 1: eight to her head. She wasn't going anywhere. You hear
- 9:38Speaker 1: that she'd die in that truck, she assured them, and
- 9:42Speaker 1: the courage faded quick and then fear tears, the fast,
- 9:46Speaker 1: hyperventilating kind. I don't want to live anymore, she sobbed
- 9:49Speaker 1: into the phone. I don't think I can forgive myself.
- 9:53Speaker 1: The cops training kicked in full hostage negotiation. It was
- 9:57Speaker 1: a seesaw. They took her down, then she blowed back.
- 10:00Speaker 1: She'd raise that revolver to her temple and then lower
- 10:03Speaker 1: it and then raise it again. The cops would wrap sympathy,
- 10:06Speaker 1: they'd rap stern, they'd rap responsibility of obligation, and then
- 10:09Speaker 1: fraddle back with empathy. For nine tens hours, Yolanda sat
- 10:13Speaker 1: in the driver's seat of that blue Chevy pickup, her
- 10:16Speaker 1: snub nose thirty eight pressed to her temple, on again,
- 10:18Speaker 1: off again. The clouds rolled in, the rains came the
- 10:24Speaker 1: weather beat against the truck's windshield and scattershot rhythm, hard
- 10:28Speaker 1: to haunt, O bop. Yolanda tried hanging on to her
- 10:30Speaker 1: freedom to the madness of the moment, incessant cop talk
- 10:34Speaker 1: and arsenal of guns pointed at her, guilt and shame
- 10:37Speaker 1: bearing down on her, and the san Antone standoff the
- 10:40Speaker 1: longest day of her life. Eventually it became too much.
- 10:45Speaker 1: She gave herself up. Yolanda was going to jail and
- 10:49Speaker 1: Selena Selena was dead. Selena has been shot and killed
- 11:14Speaker 1: in Texas. Millions of Americans were learning Selena's name for
- 11:19Speaker 1: the first time when they caught the eleven o'clock news
- 11:22Speaker 1: in the night of March thirty first. But for millions
- 11:25Speaker 1: of others, For the fans of Tejano, tex mex and
- 11:28Speaker 1: Latin music, whose numbers had grown exponentially over the last
- 11:31Speaker 1: five years, each mention of her murder on the radio
- 11:34Speaker 1: or a television was an emotional blow. Selena's death put
- 11:39Speaker 1: a hole deep in the heart of Texas, Texas, San Antonio, Monterey,
- 11:44Speaker 1: the entire Tehano community. They had lost one of their own,
- 11:48Speaker 1: a twenty three year old Fena, an icon, a queen,
- 11:51Speaker 1: a sister, the madonna of Mexico. Selena was family to them.
- 11:56Speaker 1: They were family to her. The Tehano community, her fans,
- 11:59Speaker 1: named and friends. She was their greatest ambassador, and she
- 12:03Speaker 1: had been taken from them suddenly, violently. Selena's rise to
- 12:08Speaker 1: the top of the Latin pop world happened in tandem
- 12:10Speaker 1: with Teano's Golden Age. Tehano music was huge because of Selena,
- 12:15Speaker 1: Beginning in the nineteen eighties and continuing into the nineties.
- 12:19Speaker 1: Internationally minded Anne Hrman from America's major labels descended upon
- 12:23Speaker 1: South Texas to exploit the fast rising popular style of
- 12:27Speaker 1: La Nda, an offshoot of Teano, and they signed every
- 12:31Speaker 1: band they could find. The same thing was happening in
- 12:34Speaker 1: Seattle at the time with grunge music. Different genre, same idea.
- 12:38Speaker 1: From the perspective of the music industry, suits locate the
- 12:41Speaker 1: lightning in the bottle and signed the lightning on the
- 12:43Speaker 1: dotted line. Selena was a special kind of lightning. By
- 12:48Speaker 1: the time she released The More Prohibito in nineteen ninety four,
- 12:52Speaker 1: the last album she'd make, Tehano music was a fifty
- 12:55Speaker 1: million dollar industry. When her first English language album, Dreaming
- 12:59Speaker 1: of You was released just months after her death, It
- 13:02Speaker 1: debuted at number one on the Billboard two hundred and
- 13:05Speaker 1: sold one hundred and seventy five thousand copies in the
- 13:08Speaker 1: US on its first day. That sales achievement was a
- 13:12Speaker 1: first for a female artist of any genre. Decades later,
- 13:16Speaker 1: it remains the best selling Latin album of all time.
- 13:20Speaker 1: Certified platinum fifty nine times over. That's fifty nine million
- 13:24Speaker 1: albums sold. Suddenly, Selena wasn't just competing with other piano
- 13:30Speaker 1: artists on the charts. She was competing with Madonna, Whitney,
- 13:33Speaker 1: and Janet. In fact, her album sales after her death
- 13:36Speaker 1: were so huge that she sold upwards of three hundred
- 13:39Speaker 1: thousand units in one week. The only female singer who
- 13:43Speaker 1: had her beat on those numbers was none other than
- 13:45Speaker 1: Janet Jackson herself. Selena rested peacefully at the top, and
- 13:50Speaker 1: she got there by honoring tradition, respecting culture, and above all,
- 13:55Speaker 1: trusting in family. In return, her family had her back.
- 14:00Speaker 1: Tejano music that was a family affair. Tejano's roots go
- 14:05Speaker 1: all the way back to the mid nineteenth century, when
- 14:08Speaker 1: German immigrants came to the Lone Star State with accordions
- 14:11Speaker 1: in tow. The squeeze box took center stage in the
- 14:14Speaker 1: music of Southern Texas. Backed by guitars and later drums
- 14:17Speaker 1: and horns, it powered Waltz's Pocas Cajuntos, and by the eighties,
- 14:23Speaker 1: synthesizers had replaced the accordions and horns, and Tejano was
- 14:27Speaker 1: modernized and timely. Like zydeco music in Louisiana. Tejana was
- 14:32Speaker 1: working class music, regional music, and San Antonio was the
- 14:35Speaker 1: Tejano capital of the world. The music was an extension
- 14:40Speaker 1: of culture and extension of family, and Abraham Ketania was
- 14:45Speaker 1: above all a family man. He knew that his kids
- 14:52Speaker 1: were a musical talented it was in their blood. He
- 14:55Speaker 1: himself had sang with the Corpus Christi Duov group in
- 14:57Speaker 1: the sixties Lostinos, and though he had to put the
- 15:00Speaker 1: dream behind him in order to hold down a steady
- 15:02Speaker 1: job and raise a family, he reminisced fondly about his
- 15:06Speaker 1: days snapping fingers and singing in three part harmony. So
- 15:11Speaker 1: when he recognized the raw musical talent in his own children,
- 15:14Speaker 1: Los Dinos wrote again, Abraham resurrected the name. The name
- 15:19Speaker 1: meant something to the lifers in Corpus Christi. It gave
- 15:22Speaker 1: them a leg up, not that they needed it. With
- 15:24Speaker 1: Abraham's son ab on bass and his daughter Susette on drums,
- 15:28Speaker 1: they were a force. Abraham fashioned stage lights from household
- 15:32Speaker 1: bulbs stuck inside aluminum cans. He commandeered a bus, Big Bertha,
- 15:37Speaker 1: that took the family band around the state to house parties,
- 15:40Speaker 1: vacant street corners and bars. They literally sang for their supper,
- 15:44Speaker 1: a supper which their mother Marcella cooked. Best of all
- 15:49Speaker 1: was their not so secret weapon, Selena. In nineteen eighty one,
- 15:53Speaker 1: when Abraham re christened his old duop group as Selena
- 15:56Speaker 1: I Loostinos, the lead singer was all but ten years
- 16:00Speaker 1: years old. She surprised the crowds, shocked them even as
- 16:03Speaker 1: she commanded stage after stage, an audience after audience, with
- 16:07Speaker 1: a voice that was breathtaking and wise beyond its years,
- 16:11Speaker 1: truly something to behold. And though English was Selena's first language,
- 16:17Speaker 1: she sang in Spanish a nod to tradition, to culture,
- 16:20Speaker 1: to family. The Kitanias were all about family, honor, respect, tradition,
- 16:25Speaker 1: family above all. Throughout the nineteen eighties, Selena Ilostinos rode
- 16:31Speaker 1: the surging wave of Tehano music. In a way, they
- 16:34Speaker 1: were the wave sometimes called Tehano Hodo or Texas Wave,
- 16:38Speaker 1: the latest incarnation of Tejano music melted pop, country and
- 16:42Speaker 1: tex mex Selena Yilostinos had the goods. They tipped their
- 16:47Speaker 1: hat to generations past and to their own generation, but
- 16:51Speaker 1: ultimately they had the best voice in Southern Texas on
- 16:54Speaker 1: their side. A voice that melted, hearts, that captivated, compelled,
- 16:59Speaker 1: a voice that some would kill for. Selena Elostinos were
- 17:04Speaker 1: signed to some local indie labels, and at the nineteen
- 17:07Speaker 1: eighty seven to Hanno Music Awards, Selena took home the
- 17:10Speaker 1: trophy for Female Entertainer of the Year. She would go
- 17:13Speaker 1: on to win the award for the next eight years.
- 17:17Speaker 1: Selena was the pride and joy of Corpus Christi and
- 17:20Speaker 1: of Southern Texas. She sang sweetly, smiled sweetly, the kind
- 17:25Speaker 1: of homegrown celebrity who could enthrall thousands of fans from
- 17:28Speaker 1: the stage, but was just as at home out on
- 17:31Speaker 1: the streets with the locals and the Molina barrio of
- 17:33Speaker 1: Corpus Christie, where she came from and continued to live
- 17:36Speaker 1: after she became famous. Selena's rise and pressed the Latin
- 17:40Speaker 1: music industry even more, and in nineteen eighty nine, Emi
- 17:43Speaker 1: Latin Records signed her as a solo artist. Around the
- 17:47Speaker 1: same time, Chris Perez joined her band as a guitarist.
- 17:51Speaker 1: The two would soon become romantically involved, and not long
- 17:54Speaker 1: after they loped. Abraham was the wherry type, the doubting type,
- 17:58Speaker 1: and he was less than thrilled, but Selena's decision to
- 18:01Speaker 1: tie the knots so quickly and at such a young age.
- 18:05Speaker 1: But despite what he thought, Chris wasn't just the guitar
- 18:07Speaker 1: player anymore. Chris was family now. Selena's solo albums were
- 18:12Speaker 1: big business. Nineteen ninety one's ven Conmigo made her the
- 18:15Speaker 1: first female Tejano singer to go gold. Nineteen ninety two's
- 18:19Speaker 1: Andre al Mimundo pre sold fifty thousand copies before it
- 18:23Speaker 1: even hit shelves and sold over one hundred thousand copies
- 18:26Speaker 1: before that end of the year. Nineteen ninety three, Selena
- 18:29Speaker 1: Alive earned her a Grammy Award for Best Mexican American Album,
- 18:33Speaker 1: and as such, she was the first Tejano musician to
- 18:36Speaker 1: win a Grammy. She was untouchable and she was infallible.
- 18:41Speaker 1: Her clean cut image was a product of the family
- 18:43Speaker 1: environment she came from, and it was key to the
- 18:46Speaker 1: legions of fans who felt like they were part of
- 18:48Speaker 1: her family, felt like they were her sisters and her brothers.
- 18:56Speaker 1: But her new husband, Chris will put a strain on
- 18:59Speaker 1: that clean cut fan dynamic. One night on tour, Chris
- 19:03Speaker 1: partied hard with the crew and the band a real
- 19:06Speaker 1: Fiesta Loca. When Selena found him the next morning, he
- 19:10Speaker 1: was standing in the doorway to a trash hotel room.
- 19:13Speaker 1: He knew he had fucked up. He saw it in
- 19:15Speaker 1: her eyes. Selena didn't play the fuck up game. Chris
- 19:20Speaker 1: had to come correct, not just with Selena, but with
- 19:22Speaker 1: her father Abraham too, and that was like telling Vido
- 19:26Speaker 1: Corleoni that he just knocked over his daughter's wedding cake.
- 19:29Speaker 1: Then there was the night Chris left the bar in
- 19:32Speaker 1: San Antono, slightly buzzed after a few drinks and got
- 19:35Speaker 1: behind the wheel of his mom's osmobile. His cousin sat
- 19:39Speaker 1: in the passenger seat, his friends spread out in the back,
- 19:42Speaker 1: and they hit the highway in search of Baron Roaldos.
- 19:46Speaker 1: Chris floored it. He was so far ahead of the
- 19:49Speaker 1: patrol car that he figured there was no way in
- 19:51Speaker 1: hell the blue lights were meant for him. He knew
- 19:54Speaker 1: he was dead wrong. When the cop cars multiplied around him,
- 19:57Speaker 1: he pulled over. Officers hit the street, shotguns were drawn cocked.
- 20:01Speaker 1: Chris stared down the barrow of a long neck standard
- 20:04Speaker 1: issue and felt like he was back in the doorway
- 20:06Speaker 1: of that hotel room, looking into Selena's disapproving eyes playing
- 20:10Speaker 1: that fuck up game. One of the cops pulled Chris's
- 20:14Speaker 1: cousin from the car and held him on the ground.
- 20:16Speaker 1: Maybe it was the couple of beers Chris already had
- 20:18Speaker 1: in him. Maybe it was the pitiful sound his cousin
- 20:21Speaker 1: was making outside his mouth, tasting gravel with an officer's
- 20:25Speaker 1: boot on his neck. But Chris was out of the car, enraged, empowered,
- 20:30Speaker 1: ready to throw down. As soon as he put his
- 20:32Speaker 1: hands on the one cop. Another standing nearby raised his
- 20:35Speaker 1: shotgun point blank. Chris and his cousin were cuffed, brought
- 20:41Speaker 1: down town. Chris's first instinct was to keep his mouth
- 20:44Speaker 1: shut and not shame Selena and her family with the
- 20:47Speaker 1: news of his arrest. But everyone knew who he was,
- 20:50Speaker 1: how he was connected to Selena. He'd have to tell her,
- 20:53Speaker 1: have to tell Abraham. The family trusted him to do
- 20:57Speaker 1: the right thing, to make the right decisions, and he
- 20:59Speaker 1: clearly had betrayed that trust. Little did he know, Little
- 21:03Speaker 1: did anyone know that Selena was also busy betraying the
- 21:07Speaker 1: family's trust, her husband's trust, and she was doing it
- 21:11Speaker 1: on the regular. She was spending more and more time
- 21:15Speaker 1: in Monterey, Mexico, where she was looking to expand her
- 21:18Speaker 1: clothing boutique business, Selena et cetera. It was there that
- 21:22Speaker 1: she met doctor Ricardo Martinez, a plastic surgeon who would
- 21:26Speaker 1: quickly become more than just a friend. Selena confided in Ricardo,
- 21:31Speaker 1: told him about Chris's arrest and trashed hotel rooms in
- 21:34Speaker 1: the ways in which she was unsatisfied with her marriage.
- 21:38Speaker 1: Ricardo became her financial advisor and showed her a place
- 21:41Speaker 1: in Monterey where she could live, where they could live together,
- 21:45Speaker 1: start over, take things to the next level. Selena wasn't
- 21:49Speaker 1: so sure she trusted Ricardo, but she wasn't sure that
- 21:52Speaker 1: she trusted herself. Maybe it was all just fantasy, something
- 21:56Speaker 1: she could daydream about for a hot minute while she
- 21:58Speaker 1: cooled down about whatever stressing her out at the moment.
- 22:02Speaker 1: Few knew about what she was doing in Monterey, who
- 22:05Speaker 1: she was talking to, and the plans she was entertaining.
- 22:10Speaker 1: There was one woman in particular who knew all about it,
- 22:13Speaker 1: and the whole thing made her antsy, suspicious, jealous because
- 22:18Speaker 1: she wanted Selena for herself. She wasn't going to compete
- 22:21Speaker 1: with the plastic surgeon who was five hours away from
- 22:24Speaker 1: their corpus Christie Bass. She was family, and she'd do
- 22:28Speaker 1: whatever she needed to do to keep Selena close. We'll
- 22:36Speaker 1: be right back after this word. We're We're Yolanda Saldovar
- 22:43Speaker 1: asked to see the thirty eight caliber Taurus revolver. It
- 22:46Speaker 1: was right there under the glass, Compact, snub nosed, lightweight,
- 22:51Speaker 1: easy to conceal, cheap as fuck, and it would get
- 22:54Speaker 1: the job done. It would do what needed doing. The
- 22:57Speaker 1: clerk gave Yolanda a funny look. Wasn't she just here?
- 23:01Speaker 1: Hadn't she just returned the same revolver a few days before,
- 23:05Speaker 1: and now she wanted it back? Which is it, lady?
- 23:08Speaker 1: Do you want the gun or not? Yolanda definitely wanted
- 23:11Speaker 1: the gun. She knew she'd get that funny look, knew
- 23:14Speaker 1: she'd get the question. The clerk wasn't wrong. She had
- 23:17Speaker 1: bought it once already, then she returned it. But that
- 23:20Speaker 1: was a mistake. Returning it was definitely a mistake. She
- 23:24Speaker 1: needed the gun honor in her pocket, in her clutch.
- 23:27Speaker 1: The thought of spending another day without the weight of
- 23:29Speaker 1: that little thirty eight made her shake, sweat panic. She
- 23:33Speaker 1: told the clerk she worked as a nurse for the
- 23:35Speaker 1: terminally ill, and she needed protection from family members who
- 23:38Speaker 1: had made threats on her life. He didn't know that
- 23:41Speaker 1: Yolanda hadn't worked as a nurse for years, but he
- 23:44Speaker 1: knew she was full of shit. Regardless, he didn't care.
- 23:47Speaker 1: She passed the background test, and honestly he couldn't give
- 23:50Speaker 1: a rats ask what she needed the gun for. As
- 23:52Speaker 1: long as she had cash, he'd take her money again.
- 23:56Speaker 1: She wanted bullets too hollow points to kind of hit fast,
- 23:59Speaker 1: open fast, did as much damage as possible fast. She
- 24:03Speaker 1: wanted twenty of them, transaction complete. Yolanda walked outside, sunglasses
- 24:11Speaker 1: on revolver, nestled inside her jacket pocket. The wind rustled
- 24:15Speaker 1: her short haircut, gave it the most tender of tossils,
- 24:19Speaker 1: but she imagined that her hair was long and luxurious
- 24:22Speaker 1: hair that the wind could really grab onto and twirl
- 24:25Speaker 1: around in slow mow ecstasy, she rocked her most badass
- 24:29Speaker 1: stroll through the parking lot, big confident strides, her darting,
- 24:33Speaker 1: uncertain eyes hidden behind her dark shades. She didn't care
- 24:37Speaker 1: what anyone else thought, didn't care what any random pass
- 24:40Speaker 1: or by thought when they saw her walking or walk.
- 24:43Speaker 1: She was walking hard, walking with a little piece snuggled
- 24:45Speaker 1: next to her. She was a badass, and she would
- 24:49Speaker 1: do what badasses had to do. It was the morning
- 24:56Speaker 1: of March thirty first, nineteen ninety five. She wondered if
- 24:59Speaker 1: she would have to eat used the gun that day.
- 25:01Speaker 1: Yolanda had been a faithful servant to Selena for the
- 25:04Speaker 1: last four years, her friend, confidant employee. What Yolanda wanted
- 25:09Speaker 1: more than all that was to belong, to be a
- 25:11Speaker 1: part of the family, be indispensable, and from the moment
- 25:15Speaker 1: she saw Selena perform in nineteen ninety one, she knew
- 25:18Speaker 1: she wanted to get closer, be a part. Yolanda couldn't
- 25:22Speaker 1: believe that they weren't hawking Selena merch in the lobby
- 25:25Speaker 1: after the concert in San Antono in nineteen ninety one,
- 25:28Speaker 1: so she brazenly offered to set up the Selena Fan Club.
- 25:31Speaker 1: Yolanda would be its president. Yolanda hustled. Yolanda preached the
- 25:35Speaker 1: word of Tajhannah's Queen Gilanda spread the gospel of Corpus
- 25:39Speaker 1: Christie's greatest export, Selena. Under Yolanda, Selina's fan Club's membership
- 25:44Speaker 1: balloon to nearly half a million, so Yolanda continued to
- 25:47Speaker 1: climb the family ladder. From fan club president, Yolanda worked
- 25:51Speaker 1: her way up to be Selena's assistant and then to
- 25:54Speaker 1: helping manage the clothing line the Selna et Cetera boutique shops.
- 25:58Speaker 1: She had access to the checkbooks, she held the purse strings.
- 26:02Speaker 1: Selena trusted Yolanda so much that she had her running
- 26:05Speaker 1: recon on Monterey in anticipation of Selena, etc. Breaking into
- 26:09Speaker 1: the Mexican market. But there was a darker, more obsessive
- 26:15Speaker 1: side to Yolanda's devotion. She covered the walls of her
- 26:18Speaker 1: bedroom with posters of Selena, her boss. She kept a
- 26:22Speaker 1: stash with Selita VHS tapes at the ready. She'd break
- 26:25Speaker 1: them out when she had visitors. She thought about Selena,
- 26:28Speaker 1: talked about Selena, dreamed about Selena. She laid in her
- 26:32Speaker 1: bed a Selena CD playing loud from the next room,
- 26:35Speaker 1: and looked up at the poster on the wall, The
- 26:38Speaker 1: twenty four x thirty six inch spread a dominant force.
- 26:41Speaker 1: Stacks of cash hidden underneath her pillow. She imagined her
- 26:44Speaker 1: face next to Selena's face, big toothy smile, elegant dress,
- 26:49Speaker 1: perfect hair. Her imagination went deeper, as if she could
- 26:53Speaker 1: sing like Selena could sing, like she too was the
- 26:56Speaker 1: Madonna of Mexico. She heard the applause, heard the screams
- 26:59Speaker 1: for her attention, for their attention. She needed his sunglasses
- 27:03Speaker 1: back on to shield her eyes from the explosive camera flashes.
- 27:07Speaker 1: She Yolanda Saldivar and Selena Kee Denia Perez. They were
- 27:12Speaker 1: the town of Queen's, an undeniable duo. The Selena CD
- 27:18Speaker 1: ended and the music stopped filling the house, and in
- 27:21Speaker 1: the quiet stillness, she realized that, of course she wasn't
- 27:24Speaker 1: a town o queen. She was just Yolanda. She existed
- 27:28Speaker 1: somewhere in Selena's long shadow, needed but unseen, trusted but unknown.
- 27:34Speaker 1: And then fans started to complain that they were sending
- 27:37Speaker 1: in their twenty dollars fan club fee, but weren't receiving
- 27:40Speaker 1: anything in return. That fan club money was supposed to
- 27:43Speaker 1: be funneled to charities, but the charities weren't seeing any dough.
- 27:46Speaker 1: It was being funneled elsewhere. Soon the boutique shops started
- 27:50Speaker 1: failing as well. The bookkeeping discrepancies were rising. Selena et
- 27:55Speaker 1: cetera employees were complaining about Yolanda's management skills mostly about
- 27:59Speaker 1: her lack of sea skills. Period she had controlled the
- 28:02Speaker 1: purse strings, but she was generally a mess when it
- 28:04Speaker 1: came to management, and people were noticing. Abraham, Selena's father
- 28:09Speaker 1: noticed pretty damn quick. He smelled a rat. The rat
- 28:13Speaker 1: had gotten close earned trusts, and then it did what
- 28:16Speaker 1: rats do. Abraham knew what a rat looked like, knew
- 28:19Speaker 1: where it lived. He could smell it a mile away.
- 28:21Speaker 1: He knew the rat had committed a cardinal sin. The
- 28:24Speaker 1: rat betrayed the family. On the morning of March ninth,
- 28:32Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, Abraham held an emergency meeting with Yolanda
- 28:36Speaker 1: and Selena. He was going to call Yolanda out, and
- 28:39Speaker 1: he wanted his daughter to see it all. The queen
- 28:41Speaker 1: would have a front row seat to her most loyal
- 28:43Speaker 1: subjects indiscretions. Abraham accused Yolanda of embezzlement. She was a thief.
- 28:49Speaker 1: She was stealing from fans, taking money from Selena's pocket
- 28:52Speaker 1: from the family. He had proof, He had testimony of
- 28:55Speaker 1: employees at the San Antonio shop. In Abraham's eyes, there
- 28:59Speaker 1: was only one way descended. Yolanda had to go, and
- 29:02Speaker 1: if she didn't make right the wrong she had committed,
- 29:05Speaker 1: He'd sue, he'd drain her. She'd be left with nothing,
- 29:08Speaker 1: no job, no family. It would be like that time
- 29:11Speaker 1: she was accused of stealing nine grand from the doctor's
- 29:13Speaker 1: office she worked at in the early eighties. Yolanda had
- 29:16Speaker 1: no idea how Abraham knew about that shameful part of
- 29:19Speaker 1: her history, but he did. Abraham did his homework. Abraham
- 29:24Speaker 1: went deeper. He accused Yolanda of being a lesbian, of
- 29:27Speaker 1: having an unrequited crush on his daughter, and that she
- 29:30Speaker 1: was a spern jealous, bitter woman, a spern jealous, bitter rat.
- 29:35Speaker 1: Yolanda felt the panic bristle against the back of her neck.
- 29:38Speaker 1: She wrung her hands, her long nails clicking against one another.
- 29:42Speaker 1: She thought about being poor again, thought about being slandered,
- 29:45Speaker 1: thought about being without her adopted family. A life without
- 29:49Speaker 1: the close confidence of Selena was a life she didn't
- 29:51Speaker 1: want any part of. She looked across the table at Selena,
- 29:55Speaker 1: who saw the anxiety in her eyes and knew what
- 29:58Speaker 1: she was thinking. Fell to her pan. Selena was experiencing
- 30:03Speaker 1: her own panic because Yolanda knew about Selena's visits to
- 30:07Speaker 1: Ricardo and Monterey. Selena knew that Yolanda knew some of
- 30:11Speaker 1: her deepest, darkest secrets, and Selena was terrified that Abraham
- 30:15Speaker 1: would back Yolanda into her corner and Yolanda would squawk,
- 30:18Speaker 1: would say something she shouldn't. The two watched each other
- 30:22Speaker 1: from across the table, equal parts trust, equal parts terror.
- 30:28Speaker 1: Yolanda was shaking. She kept her head down, but raised
- 30:31Speaker 1: her eyes enough so that she could lock in on
- 30:33Speaker 1: Selena's unwavering gaze. Abraham kept talking, his voice rising with
- 30:38Speaker 1: anger and disappointment, and the two women tuned him out.
- 30:42Speaker 1: Their minds raised, eyes unflinched. Each felt their other's cold stare.
- 30:47Speaker 1: Selena was shocked at what she had heard, was taken
- 30:50Speaker 1: aback by the accusations her father laid bare. She also
- 30:53Speaker 1: knew that Yolanda krook or No was prived to some
- 30:57Speaker 1: very private shit. Yolanda had Selena's number, knew what she
- 31:00Speaker 1: was capable of, knew her deception, knew that she was
- 31:04Speaker 1: more complicated than just another town I singer from San Antono. Yolanda,
- 31:08Speaker 1: from her bowed head, raised eye's gaze translated what Selena's
- 31:12Speaker 1: eyes were saying that Selena was a little surprised, sure,
- 31:16Speaker 1: but that Selena wasn't shocked that she knew Yolanda had
- 31:19Speaker 1: some crazy in her, had some desperation in her. Yolanda
- 31:22Speaker 1: would do what she needed to do to survive, to thrive,
- 31:25Speaker 1: and that Selena would have to do what she had
- 31:28Speaker 1: to do to survive as well. And if that meant
- 31:30Speaker 1: turning a blind eye to whatever the fuck Yolanda was
- 31:33Speaker 1: cooking up, so be it. After the meeting, Yolanda couldn't
- 31:39Speaker 1: shake the feeling she was being followed. On her road
- 31:43Speaker 1: trips from San Antonio to Monterey and back again. She'd
- 31:46Speaker 1: watched the same black sedan in her rear view mirror.
- 31:49Speaker 1: It lurked behind her, kept a distance of a few
- 31:52Speaker 1: car links, but it was always there, so she thought.
- 31:56Speaker 1: One day, she walked to her car to find the
- 31:59Speaker 1: tires slack against the gravel. Someone had let the air out,
- 32:02Speaker 1: all four of them. The rims pressed the ground. She
- 32:06Speaker 1: anxiously scanned the area to see if that black sedan
- 32:09Speaker 1: was nearby. She was scared, far from safe, and that's
- 32:14Speaker 1: when she bought the thirty eight. For the first time.
- 32:17Speaker 1: She had lost Abraham's trust, and she was pretty confident
- 32:20Speaker 1: that she had lost Selena's trust too, and if she
- 32:22Speaker 1: was losing trust, she was losing family, losing protection. This
- 32:26Speaker 1: little thirty eight made her feel a little safer. Selena
- 32:30Speaker 1: didn't want to believe it. Didn't want to believe that
- 32:31Speaker 1: the person who had set up her wildly successful fan club,
- 32:34Speaker 1: who had been instrumental in making that Monterey connection, who
- 32:38Speaker 1: ran the day to day business of the boutiques. Selena
- 32:41Speaker 1: didn't want to believe that that person was stealing from her.
- 32:44Speaker 1: But Abraham's proof was hard to deny. Cutting Yolanda from
- 32:49Speaker 1: her life wasn't going to be that easy. Yolanda also
- 32:52Speaker 1: knew the clandestine things Selena was up to over the border,
- 32:55Speaker 1: her dates with the doctor, her plans to pick up
- 32:58Speaker 1: stakes and relocate to Mexa ago start a new life
- 33:01Speaker 1: with a new man. Whether those were concrete plans or
- 33:04Speaker 1: a fleeting fantasy, Yolanda knew all the details. Selena trusted
- 33:09Speaker 1: her to keep the details in the vault. If Selena
- 33:12Speaker 1: cut her loose, the vault could open up, and then
- 33:15Speaker 1: she'd really have problems. So partly to buy time, partly
- 33:20Speaker 1: to throw Abraham off the scent, and partly to wrap
- 33:22Speaker 1: up the expansion plans they had started together. Selena started
- 33:26Speaker 1: putting Yolanda up in motels, first at the Bayfront Inn,
- 33:30Speaker 1: then the Budget In, then the days In. Selena moved
- 33:33Speaker 1: her around while she figured it out. Maybe she could
- 33:36Speaker 1: fix the pickle Yolanda found herself in and everyone would
- 33:38Speaker 1: wind up happy, and maybe Yolanda would fix it herself.
- 33:43Speaker 1: When they were sitting in a Nidline car when Yolanda
- 33:45Speaker 1: told Selena just how worried she was. She was anxious,
- 33:49Speaker 1: She was paranoid. She thought she was being followed. She
- 33:53Speaker 1: thought her life was in danger. She was worried that,
- 33:56Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, her life was over. But
- 34:00Speaker 1: she was taking necessary precautions. She'd be safe. She didn't
- 34:04Speaker 1: have anything to worry about. She pulled the Subnose thirty
- 34:08Speaker 1: eight from her pocketbook, and though the sun fought through
- 34:11Speaker 1: a cloudy haze that reflected out the revolver's barrel and
- 34:14Speaker 1: made a flicker a glint, Selena couldn't believe what she
- 34:18Speaker 1: was seeing. A gun. Why on earth did Yolanda need
- 34:21Speaker 1: a gun? Was she that worried, that paranoid? Was she
- 34:25Speaker 1: that crazy? It was March thirtieth, nineteen ninety five in
- 34:30Speaker 1: the parking lot of the Days in nine oh one
- 34:33Speaker 1: navigation Boulevard Corpus Christi. Selena told Yolanda to check into
- 34:37Speaker 1: the room, get some rest, and that she would see
- 34:40Speaker 1: her tomorrow. Yolanda didn't need all twenty hollow point bullets.
- 35:00Speaker 1: She only needed one. One shot, fast, explosive, precise, maximum damage,
- 35:06Speaker 1: minimal effort, dead shot. Her story about what happened in
- 35:13Speaker 1: Room one fifty eight changed. It changed when she sat
- 35:17Speaker 1: in her truck in the parking lot of the Days
- 35:19Speaker 1: in the thirty eight, pressed to her pulsating temple. Then
- 35:22Speaker 1: it changed in the interrogation room after she was arrested,
- 35:26Speaker 1: and again it changed in the courtroom when she went
- 35:28Speaker 1: up on trial for the murder of her former employer,
- 35:31Speaker 1: friend and confidant. In one story, Yolanda bought the thirty
- 35:39Speaker 1: eight to take her own life. In Room one fifty eight,
- 35:42Speaker 1: she confessed to Selena that she was at a dead end.
- 35:44Speaker 1: She had made mistakes, she had made some wrong decisions.
- 35:48Speaker 1: She was selfish, greedy, lost sight of what was important,
- 35:51Speaker 1: and now her actions were going to sink her once
- 35:54Speaker 1: and for all. She simply couldn't live with it, never
- 35:56Speaker 1: mind the guilt. She wasn't about to go back to
- 35:59Speaker 1: being a nobody. She brought the subnosed piece up to
- 36:02Speaker 1: her temple. Her hand shook rapidly and the hollow points
- 36:05Speaker 1: banged around inside the metal chamber. Her bracelets clicked together.
- 36:09Speaker 1: It was all sound and vibration coming from the end
- 36:11Speaker 1: of Landa's hand in the side of her head. Selena
- 36:15Speaker 1: couldn't listen anymore, couldn't watch anymore. She had to get help.
- 36:18Speaker 1: She left up from the edge of the bed where
- 36:20Speaker 1: she was sitting and went for the door. She pulled
- 36:22Speaker 1: it open, and there was the outdoor corridor an overcast sky.
- 36:25Speaker 1: Yolanda frantically motioned with her hand, the hand that was
- 36:28Speaker 1: holding the gun, and it just went off. In another story,
- 36:35Speaker 1: Yolanda was convinced that Selena was going to run away
- 36:37Speaker 1: to Monterey and live a new life with Ricardo Martinez,
- 36:41Speaker 1: convinced that Selena was wearing disguises for herself of the
- 36:44Speaker 1: bort to rendezvous. In fact, Selena had met Yolanda at
- 36:47Speaker 1: the day's end with a suitcase packed for a couple
- 36:50Speaker 1: of days in the Mexican work permit. She was going
- 36:52Speaker 1: to leave behind her husband Chris and up end the
- 36:55Speaker 1: trust she had built within her family. Yolanda wouldn't let
- 36:58Speaker 1: that Happenanda couldn't let that happen, and so she pulled
- 37:03Speaker 1: the revolver on her employer, on her business associate, on
- 37:06Speaker 1: her friend. She pleaded with Selena, begged her to reconsider,
- 37:10Speaker 1: to not make her do it. Don't make her do
- 37:11Speaker 1: something drastic, something rash. She didn't want to pull the trigger,
- 37:15Speaker 1: didn't want to hurt town. Was pride and joy. But
- 37:17Speaker 1: if Yolanda didn't stop her from ruining her life, who would.
- 37:20Speaker 1: It was her duty, Yolanda reasoned. Selena tried reasoning with Yolanda,
- 37:24Speaker 1: explaining what it was she wanted and how it ultimately
- 37:27Speaker 1: was none of Yolanda's business, and then she tried to
- 37:29Speaker 1: leave the hotel room. She figured there was no way
- 37:32Speaker 1: Eolanda would actually pull the trigger. Selena was halfway out
- 37:35Speaker 1: the door when she felt something hot and sharp blast
- 37:38Speaker 1: through her back. Then there was the most likely story,
- 37:45Speaker 1: the story. Selena's family and the public believed Yolanda was
- 37:49Speaker 1: face value. Yolanda was jealous. Yolanda was controlling, manipulative, obsessive, petty, bitter,
- 37:55Speaker 1: a thief, and the bullet she put into Selena was
- 37:58Speaker 1: one hundred percent cold blooded. The court of public opinion
- 38:05Speaker 1: certainly thought so. Crowds formed outside the courthouse in Houston,
- 38:09Speaker 1: where the trial had been relocated from Corpus Christi because
- 38:12Speaker 1: there was a lower Hispanic population and therefore less bias.
- 38:16Speaker 1: Several hundred Selina fans took to tanning Justicia. The signs
- 38:20Speaker 1: were at San Antonio wants a guilty verdict and hang
- 38:23Speaker 1: the witch. There were drawings distributed of Yolanda firing range fodder.
- 38:28Speaker 1: Someone wrote kill Yolanda in white shoe polish on a
- 38:31Speaker 1: Toyota's windshield. Meanwhile, gangs in Houston, Miami, and Los Angeles
- 38:37Speaker 1: led a bet to see who would get their hands
- 38:38Speaker 1: on Yolanda first. If she was found innocent, Street justice
- 38:42Speaker 1: had already been determined, no matter what the court rolled.
- 38:49Speaker 1: On October twenty third, nineteen ninety five, the court found
- 38:53Speaker 1: Yolanda Saldavar guilty and sentenced her to life in prison,
- 38:56Speaker 1: with the possibility of parole in thirty years. That possibility
- 39:01Speaker 1: comes around in twenty twenty five. Time will tell soon
- 39:05Speaker 1: enough if street justice is lying in the cut. Selena
- 39:09Speaker 1: was a rarity. She was insanely talented, had a voice
- 39:12Speaker 1: like no other. She honored her culture, the legacy of
- 39:16Speaker 1: her family and other families like hers, and also brought
- 39:19Speaker 1: the music of her family into the present tense. She
- 39:22Speaker 1: was the face and the voice of modern Tahano, of
- 39:25Speaker 1: Latin pop as it evolved into a chart topping phenomenon
- 39:29Speaker 1: in the late twentieth century. And she was beautiful, down
- 39:32Speaker 1: to earth, the best of both worlds, the real deal, honest, truthful.
- 39:37Speaker 1: Everyone wanted to be by her side. Some wanted to
- 39:44Speaker 1: be by her side more than others. Some would do
- 39:46Speaker 1: just about anything to stand there, and then would do
- 39:49Speaker 1: the unthinkable to prevent anyone else from getting as close.
- 39:55Speaker 1: And that is a disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan and this
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