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Leslie Kenny, an Oxford-based entrepreneur · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Good morning everyone. I wanted to welcome you to this pretty Christmas podcast where
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everybody's getting ready to get off of work and we're still working away right And
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I have a wonderful guest today. I want to introduce you to Leslie Kenny,
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who is actually in Irvine today, but she lives in England and Oxford,
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where actually I went to school, so we have an affinity. We
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shared notes about all the areas of Oxford that I can remember that many years
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ago. But anyway, welcome Leslie, and I wanted just to give a
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brief introduction to you, but welcome back to the good old USA. Thank
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you very much, Michelle. It is always nice to be back here,
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especial to see the sunshine when it is called back in in England, you
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know I went there. I was in London for my birthday of one of
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the big ones. I can't remember which one though, but anyway, I
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had a wonderful luncheon at in Belgravia at Potofol or Potofhil. It's a little
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French spee show and I was there for a nine nine whole days. I
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rented a house in Kensington, not a house but a condo and I never
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saw the sun for nine days. I was so happy to get back to
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California, even though I do I love London, but it was just gloomy
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and cold, And of course my birthday is November first, so I wasn't
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picking the best time to go. But anyway, I love to have you
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on, and I'm glad you're back to where you grew up and what you
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went to school at Berkeley, So you're right in our backyard here in northern
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cal But I know today you're down visiting your mother right in southern cal That's
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right. I'm trying to maximize vitamin D synthesis as much as I can by
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supposing as much skin as I can. Well, it's been raining here,
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so is the sun out down in southern cal Or are you having rain too?
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Yes, it's actually it did rain a bit, but it was more
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of a tropical thunderstorm than anything else. And it's gone. We've got lovely
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sun. I can see the Saddleback mountains nearby, and it just as like
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it was when I was in high school here over forty years ago. I
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mean, it's only but it was such a long time ago, over thirty
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years ago. I know what your age is, but you know what,
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you don't look your age. So this is one of the great things about
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both of us being in Tree, Yes, in the space that is all
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about longevity. And just so you know, I just came back from a
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four m for American Academy of Anti Aging, which has an annual Longevity Fest
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in Las Vegas. They have many, many conferences during the year, but
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that's the big one with thousands and thousands of exhibitors and speakers, and I
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mean it's just you go on overdrive for three full days and you meet so
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many wonderful people in sharing the same vision and the same commitment to health and
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wellness. And so anyway, I'm all pumped up from my trip and can't
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wait to have you tell us more about Spermidine because that actually I didn't see.
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This is going to surprise you, but I did not see any exhibitors
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with a Spermidine product, and I know it becomes such a big new kid
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on the block. So I want to let's first talk about you, and
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we're going to jump into what you've been spending all your valuable time doing.
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So just a brief intro that I'll give and then I want you to,
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you know, carry on from there. But so just everybody should know this
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is a theme that I keep finding in all so many of my guests,
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which is that adversity brings opportunity. And you know the Chinese word for opportunity,
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I mean, crisis is opportunity. So we have something here that's very
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repetitive, and that is that people who have face challenges oftentimes find their passions
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and something good comes out of that. You often don't know why when the
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bad thing is happening, but then when you look back on it, you
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say, ah, now I understand that God has a purpose and I am
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you know, part of that journey. And so this is what happened with
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Leslie. I'll make it very brief, but she has some very serious autoimmune
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conditions lupus and arthritis, and she was told that she could not ever expect
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to be well, and that, of course was told to her by doctors
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who really didn't understand that She's Taiwanese and she had an upbringing that was based
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on believing in the miracle of your body and the fact that you can cure
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yourself by looking for healing modalities that are not alien and instead of taking all
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the antibiotics and the premozone and all those kinds of things that could debilitate her
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immune system, she found some secrets that she'll tell us about in a moment.
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And those secrets were, you know, the ones that people really weren't
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recognizing at the time. And this was money many years ago. So Leslie,
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take over and tell us all about you. By the way, Leslie
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is an MBA from Harvard and she's an undergrad from Berkeley, which I mentioned
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earlier. So she has a very very impressive educational background, which of course
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she's utilized in her being a CEO of a startup company. But she's also
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very human and has taken a lot of her passion from her own experience but
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also from the desire to help others. So with that in mind, in
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front center, Leslie, you take over and tell us all about your journey.
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How did you get where you are today? Well, thank you for
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the lovely introduction. And while I do have some booksmarts, you know,
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certificates don't mean anything. And that was something that I learned when I did
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have my own health problems and I went to doctors and said, surely there
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must be a better answer than simply medicating me and trying to manage my symptoms
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as opposed to getting to the root cause or trying to help my body heal
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itself, which is really what I think we patients want at the end of
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the day, and all of us, whether or not we have certificates from
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great universities or not, we all can tap into that. It's not something
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that you need to go to a university for. And frankly going to places
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like A four M the American Academy for Anti Aging Medicine conference that you just
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went to in Las Vegas, and which, funnily enough, I was there
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too. I'm sorry, I don't see you. I know, how did
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we miss that? We missed a trick there, Michelle, But but these
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are places to meet people. There were I think four thousand people there,
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and while there weren't companies selling spermidine, it was interesting because doctor Michael Gregor
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did spend ten minutes of his presentation on it. And doctor Michael Gregor is
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the person who wrote the book How Not to Die, and he's into that
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book and it's really the book. I how do you recommend to everybody if
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you if you haven't read it yet how not to die by Uh he's a
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doctor, doctor Michael, he is, Yeah, okay exactly. Anyway,
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so he was there and he did talk about it, and I thought that
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was that was quite interesting. Dan Butner was there. He's the National Geographic
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journalist who popularized the blue zones, and while he didn't talk about spermitting,
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he talked about the diets of these healthy centenarians, which is very, very
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highly plant based, and the things that are not are fermented cheeses, which
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happened to have a lot of spermitting in them as well. So it was
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it was quite an interesting conference. But I think that it's humans, and
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especially as I get older and wiser, I know that experience and our own
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lived experience is a very wise education in and of itself. But we've got
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to learn from our bodies what our bodies are telling us, and listen,
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and if we can tap into that wisdom and support the body in its natural
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desire to heal, we can actually we can actually extend our longevity just by
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supporting that innate wisdom and desire to return to balance. That is an Eastern
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concept. That's something that I've certainly gotten from my mother. We just want
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to help the body return to balance. It is the point of least friction.
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And but that means none of the processed food, none of the poor
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lifestyle habits that people have, you know, eating and running, staying up
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all hours of the night, working too much, not moving. Things like
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the basics like good sleep, movement, and and diet, as well as
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stress reduction and healthy relationships. These are foundational and they're all free really when
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you think about it. And vegetables are going to be cheaper than processed food.
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They may take a little bit more time to make, but actually they
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are generally cheaper. So a four M was great to get more information that
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simply reinforced what I have always thought, that the body knows how to heal
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itself. In terms of my own journey, it took me a while to
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come to that realization because I was looking at the frame certificates behind the doctors
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and thinking, you know, that person is smart. If I just pay
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them, they'll fix my problem. And I tried to do this at the
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age of thirty nine with reversing infertility, so I had already been an IVF
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patient for probably five years. At that point, i'd done five rounds of
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IUY intribunorine inssemination. I was on my fifth round of IVF in vitro fertilization
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and I was using donor eggs and the doctors just said, you know you
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have you have unexplained in fertility. I was like, unexplained, you know,
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that's not a good enough answer. Why didn't you tell me what the
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what the problem is? And they didn't know. And then when I went
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to the doctors that very same year, and this was the same age which
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my own father died, age thirty nine, and I said, you know,
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I'm feeling doctor, I'm feeling some pain in my hands. What's that
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about? And they ran the test and they came back and told me,
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yeah, you were right, which I think a patient always likes to feel
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vindicated. Yeah, I was right. There really was something wrong. But
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then she, you know, she gave me the bad news. You've got
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rheumatoid arthritis. And I thought, I feel too young to have rheumatoid arthritis
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and what is that and how do we reverse it? And then she said,
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look, your body is using its immune system to basically tear itself apart.
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It's tearing your cartilage apart. And it looks like your body is fighting
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cancer. And I thought, but isn't it a good thing that my body
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can fight cancer? And she said, yes, but this is friendly fire,
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and you don't want that. So the you know, the immune system
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was clearly out of whack. It was dysfunctional, it was prematurely aging.
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Then she told me, in addition to the rheumatoid arthritis, which we can
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treat with these injectable drugs, you've got something else called lupus, and it's
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another autoimmune condition. And this is going to this is attacking your organs.
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And because I didn't know what it was, I had no preconceived ideas of
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what it was. And when she said there's no treatment for it, there's
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nothing we can do, and I simply found that to be an unacceptable answer,
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because I was in the middle of this IVF treatment with Donor Eggs.
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Just I just I just agreed to disagree. I just said, well,
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I think that's a really unacceptable answer. We have to find we have to
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find some kind of solution. Surely there's something we can do. And when
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she said that there really wasn't and I shouldn't do the IVF that I had
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a good five years left to live, I thought, can I can I?
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Can I try again? Can I have a do over? Right?
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We all want doovers? And can I do this over? Can I do
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the test over again? She agreed, and I committed to going out and
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the rockies, mayan uterine massage, visualizations. I did all of those,
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but I also very strategically looked at my diseases and I learned about them.
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Right. They always say, if you want to really cite off an enemy,
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you have to know your enemy better than you know yourself. So you
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have to learn about your disease. I know a lot of people whose I
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don't want to know about my disease. I want to ignore my disease.
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Well, actually you need to understand it. And I looked at these diagnoses
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and I thought, the root cause of both of them is inflammation. So
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if I can just stop triggering the immune system to raise this inflammatory cascade,
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maybe that will help. So I completely changed my diet, went on the
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zone anti inflammatory diet that doctor Barry Sears had published a book on that was
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in two thousand and five. And I also discovered in PubMed that wonderful online
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resource available to all of us. I found some studies on a treatment called
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intravenous ambianoglobulin, and that is where they take the white blood cells from hundreds
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of donors and they pull them, they've cleaned them, and then they give
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them to you in an effort to base reboot your immune system. And it
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was each one was about four hours of an intravenous transfusion, and they cost
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twelve thousand dollars at the time. I think they now cost around fifty to
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one hundred thousand US dollars. It's expensive, but but does insurance cover the
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treatment? Insurance covered it at the time, so that was terrific. And
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you know, from their point of view, I'm not sure they made this
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calculation, but it was a very smart thing for them to do because my
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monthly ENVIERL and humor bills for these injectable immune suppressants were around five thousand US
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dollars. Now, if I had been taking those immune suppressants for all the
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years that I've been ill, I would have had over a million US dollars
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in fees to pay. That would have been my insurance as bill, my
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insurance company's bill, and instead we did twenty four thousand US dollars. And
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when I went back to test within six months of my original diagnoses, my
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doctor said the words that change my life forever, which were look at that
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you don't have you don't have purpish, you don't have darth. Right,
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that's when the penny dropped and I thought, oh, wait, a few
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months ago, you told me I had five years left to live. If
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I had accepted that, I would have just I could have just rolled over.
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People become despondent when you tell them things like that, especially when an
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authority figure in a white jacket with those certificates says that. And that's why
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I always said, do not give your power away as a patient. Remember
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that you are the most powerful player in your healing journey. We must empower
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patients again, because it is together collaborating with their healthcare practitioners that we can
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bring about true health change. M Wow, that's a that is so poignant,
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and you know it's and it's so it's so exhilarating to kind of if
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vicariously go in that journey with you because you feel, you just feel the
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emotions of what you had to go through and that you found a solution.
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That's that I think is the big turning point for you know, anyone that's
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suffering right now from any kind of debilitating condition, is if you can find
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that magic solution. Let's say in your case it was the IV and that
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worked. But is that something that you now that you've experienced the immuno globulin
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IV, do you think that's something that is more can be more widely utilized
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for other people who have oh yes, so and so hidden Leslie, I
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don't, honestly, I don't understand it. I have. I've probably had
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hundreds of people who've heard me speak or heard me on podcasts, who've written
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to me to say that they or their relatives or their friends have X y
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Z autoimmune condition. And I will then myself do a quick Google search.
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You just go to Google, you put in PubMed, you put in the
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autoimmune condition, and then you put in iv IG and all just always,
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I will find a human trial where this has worked, and it might be
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a small trial. Now, when I first looked for rheumatoid arthritis, it
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was a small trial and I think it was maybe thirty nine people. But
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still I had nothing else. The doctor called me there was nothing else from
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my loopus, there was. I had a choice of waiting for the disease
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to take over or doing something, and I chose to be proactive. It
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was a risk. Perhaps onrepreneurs we like to take those risks. I don't
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know, but I didn't want to sit around doing nothing right, And I
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don't understand why it's not done, because especially for women. What I see
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is that the immune suppressing drugs they stop working. They tend to stop working
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after about eighteen months. Then you have to go to a new one to
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try and get that to work. And then your body is so smart that
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it figures out how to outfox the immune suppressing drug. Why because the body
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doesn't want you to be immunosuppressed. The body wants you to be strong.
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It wants your immune system to be in that goldilock zone where it can properly
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identify self tissue from non self tissue, where it can identify cancer, where
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it can identify pathogens and pneumonia and other viruses. And so these things stop
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working, and then they put you onto something called methotrexate, which is a
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chemo drug. The problem for a woman taking a chemo drug is its impact
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on your ovaries, your eggs, and your ability to conceive a baby.
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Later it becomes very, very difficult to have a baby once you've exposed your
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ovaries to methotrexae. And if you can, if we can philosophically, just
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stop thinking about how to suppress things, how to mask symptoms, but how
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to bring the body back to homeostasis or balance again to that zone of perfect
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health. Then I think that's philosophically to me, and it's perhaps because I
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am half Taiwanese, but from an Eastern philosophical perspective, this is where we
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want to be. That yin yang balance, that perfect combination where you have,
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you know, black and white, positive and negative and it is just
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perfectly balanced, and that's what our bodies should be like. So perhaps simply
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because our Western our Western philosophy of medicine is to mask symptoms, or if
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I was very uncharitable, I would say it's because companies want subscription revenue by
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having people on these drugs every single month. I mean, think about it,
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a million US dollars versus twenty four thousand US dollars, and that you
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got, you were healed by the twenty four thousand dollars modality. I'm surprised
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they didn't tell you to take out your sleen because that's where the loops sometimes
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that's I think that's what they often do, and they just want to some
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of your immunity system is faulty, right, and they think that that maybe
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starting in the swen or the bone marrow. At least that's what you and
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I talked about on our previous call. Do you remember that we were,
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Yeah, I think they you know, they didn't. It was really it
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was really a pharmaceutical answer that they had for the rheumatoid arthritis, and and
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as I mentioned, there was no there was no answer for the there was
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no answer for the for the loopus. So just you know, really really
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unfortunate. But then again, our medical practitioners are under a lot of stress.
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They don't have a lot of time to devote to to each of their
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patients, and there's so much paperwork involved in in treating each patient now too,
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So perhaps that's that's also part of the part of the problem. Oh,
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Michelle, I don't I don't see you or hear you anymore. We're
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going to definitely have to edit this bit out, Michelle. Michelle, huh,
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I don't know what's going on now? Hello? Hello? Yeah,
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sorry, Leslie. Yeah, I can't see you, but I can hear
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you. Okay, good, hold on, he'son start my video, so
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I don't figure out got a call, ok yeah, okay, no problem,
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no problem, my back on back on now. Sorry I got disconnected
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somebody. You know, that's the problem with being on your iPhone, someone
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tried to call me and disconnected me. So anyway, so you were saying
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that you know, they didn't ask you to remove your sleet. The other
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things that they told you were pretty devastating, like you only have five years
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to live. So yes, well, so what would you what advice and
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are you giving now that you've gone on your journey of healing. What are
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the steps that you would tell people to take. And let's include the primatine
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product or supermidine product in the dis sessions. Okay, because that's that was
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a great Your great revelation is to find the NATO based product. Which I
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do want people to understand that this is one modality, but you do a
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whole program. But this is what this is the flagship. So go ahead
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and tell us that's right. Well, first of all, for anyone facing
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an autoimmune condition, first of all, as I said, you've got to
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empower yourself. You have to listen to your own body. But you also
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need to take personal responsibility for what's happening in your body. Remember that we
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are assaulted by a huge number of toxins, things that one hundred years ago
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our bodies did not have to deal with, whether it was talatees in plastics,
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chloride, chlorine fluoride in our water. There just there are so many
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toxins there, and one of the big ones is sugar. We didn't have
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so much sugar. We didn't have this insulin resistance that we see as an
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epidemic in the United States and the United Kingdom, and that also is not
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good for our immune systems either. But we also didn't have all of this
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processed food, which unfortunately can lead to things like leaky gut. We didn't
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have the contraceptive pill, which can also lead to leaky gut. Why do
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women have constitute eighty percent of all autoimmune conditions in the United States? Is
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it because of the fact that most of us have been on the contraceptive pill
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at some point. It really does increase the incidence of Canada in the gut,
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which does lead to an increase in zonulin, which opens up the tight
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junctions of the gut lining and then allows undigested proteins out into the bloodstream,
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where the immune system encounters them sees them as foreign invaders, knowing that these
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proteins should not be out there now. Sometimes those proteins look like the proteins
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on other organs, on our thyroid and our joints organs, and it could
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be our hair follicles, and it then raises in all points bulletin alarm for
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the immune system to systemically search for that protein and to eradicate it wherever it
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sees it in the body. That is a problem we have rampant leaky gut.
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It was maybe ten or fifteen years ago I was diagnosed with leaky gut
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by a really remarkable Belgian doctor, George Mouton, who was also a nutritionist.
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And when I went to tell my doctors that I had leaky gut,
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they said, no such thing exist. Well, now it's very well recognized
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and not only recognized as something that can lean to autoimmune disease, but it's
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also one of the twelve hallmarks of aging. And these are the pathways down
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which we get older. So we do really need to be on top of
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our gut health so we don't get leaky gut, and frankly, that does
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mean getting rid of the processed foods and going back to whole foods. Making
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your own food at home takes sip some extra time. You probably save money
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from doing it, and it is definitely more helpful because you're getting more fiber.
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If you do that generally, making you're incorporating more vegetables, you get
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a lot of prebiotic fiber, which is not for your benefit, but for
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the benefit of feeding the healthy bacterial colonies and the gut that manufacture really important
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compounds for health, such as serotonin for happiness in the brain, be vitamins
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which are really necessary to help us deal with stress, but also good for
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pigment production in the hair things, and also for fertility. Helps with manufacture
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of spermidine. And since I've mentioned spermating, I'll go into that because it
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is itself an anti inflammatory. So in your food there are certain things like
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omega three fatty acids which you can get from from wild salmon for instance,
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fish and that is anti inflammatory. You can get it in olives, olaic
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acid in extra virgin olive oil that's tea inflammatory. And then in all plants
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there is this compound which has the wacky name spermadine, and you know it
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really should be I don't know, it should be better named, And that's
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why I renamed it primatine, because for me, I feel it puts you
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back into the new prime of life. And it's a great anti inflammatory that
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we actually manufacture in our gut biome, as I mentioned when we give it
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good prebiotic fiber from things like vegetables, but we also can make it in
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our tissues, and then we get it from plants, all plants, all
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mammals, humans, your dog, your cat, your grandmother. We all
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make it. But we make it in the greatest quantities when we're infants because
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it helps with sell growth and renewal. And when we're babies we are growing
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faster than ever. But we continue to make it even when we're older,
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and it's very important for hair growth. So why is it that you know
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you can look at Santa Claus, it's just before Christmas. You look at
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Santa his hair and his beard are still growing like rip fom winkle right.
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Why he's old? Why is it still growing? This is a bit of
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a paradox. We keep getting older, but our hair continues to grow.
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Well, that's that's spermidine. And we do continue to make it as we
31:21
get older, but just not in the quantities that we did when we were
31:23
young. Now it is so important to the survival of the next generation of
31:29
both plants and mammals that it is in copious quantities in breast milk and in
31:37
semen and sperm. Now with sperm, I think most people don't know that
31:41
when a man manufactures sperm that is actually a very highly inflammatory event. It
31:48
creates a lot of something called reactive oxygen species or raws ROS, and spermidine's
31:56
presence actually helps keep the fire down from manufacturing all that sperm. It also
32:04
allows DNA to wrap itself very tightly around spermidine itself. Normally, DNA is
32:09
wrapped around a molecule called a histone bond that is much bigger. But if
32:15
you think about it, sperm needs to go fast to find the egg and
32:19
it can't be dragging this gigantic suitcase of DNA behind it. It needs a
32:23
tiny pocket book, and that's what spermidine is. So it's this wonderfully powerful,
32:29
very tightly compressed molecule. We call it a polyamin. That just means
32:36
that it's made from amino acids, and those will be l arginine and also
32:42
sam e s adenisilmuthionine, which some people know about because it helps keep your
32:47
mood up. So when men manufacture sperm. And we've all heard, you
32:53
know, at our age, Michelle, we've all heard that term la petty
32:58
more, you know, the little death that men experience post coavis. And
33:02
why that, why do they get this mood drop? Well, the reason
33:06
why is because they've used all their accidentisal, mathioning, their samy to make
33:12
all of this firm, and then they get rid of it, right,
33:15
so they have to build up their reserves again. Now, exactly the same
33:19
thing happens with women when we're breastfeeding. What happens some women experience postpartum depression?
33:25
Why is that? Well, sometimes it's because of the fact that we
33:30
are giving away a lot of our spermating, which has used up our samy
33:37
to give to the baby. We don't make that decision. Our bodies make
33:40
that decision. Why, because our bodies say, you know, you're a
33:45
great organism, but actually my whole job on the planet is to get the
33:49
next generation out there and surviving and thriving. And so they then prioritize that
33:57
the spermating is given to the baby. If you lose yours spermitting, your
34:00
hair suffers, because we need spermitting to keep hair follicles in the growth phase.
34:07
That's not only the time when we get a lot of hair growth,
34:09
but it's also the time it's the only time when pigment production happens. So
34:15
I've been taking this for about four years now and I'm fifty eight. I
34:21
don't have to dye my hair. And I definitely credit I credit spermitting with
34:25
this, with the fact that I happily do not need to sit in my
34:31
you know, in the salon chair every few weeks to get some kind of
34:37
you know, get my roots done, which would just be really quite I
34:40
don't know, I think I'd be very frustrated by all the time I had
34:43
to spend to do this. So in any event, it's expermitting is a
34:47
magic molecule. So did you have did you used to have before you knew
34:52
spermating? Did you you have to use a root color? And then you
34:57
just saw that the gray or whatever it was was disappearing as you started to
35:01
use the supermodine product. So you know, I've never really had a lot
35:07
of I've not really had a lot of gray because I have been on top
35:10
of my health since I was well, basically since I was thirty nine.
35:15
I have been going to a doctor every six months to basically do my blood
35:22
work, run urine panels, and really check to see where I am and
35:25
put me into that Goldilock zone. So I'm really on top of it.
35:29
But what I will say is that I went through a really stressful period this
35:32
year. This has probably been one of the most stressful years of my life.
35:37
And I noticed that I started to get a few grays here just by
35:42
the ears, and I thought, Okay, that's not good. What I'm
35:46
going to do is just up my dose of spermitting and you can take up
35:51
to six milligrams of spermating per day food derived spermitting per day according to the
35:57
European Food Safety Authority. And so I did that, and then I've noticed
36:01
that they've gone away. And the great thing about white hair is that because
36:06
of the fact that it is, it's more likely to be in the shedding
36:10
phase. I do notice that those white hairs just pull out more easily,
36:16
and it's so very you know, I'm quite happy about that, to be
36:20
honest. So tell everybody what goes into supermadin just I mean, let's just
36:25
break it down into the component parts of what's in the product. Sure,
36:31
So suspermadine is in, as I said, in all plants. And in
36:37
looking for a way to turn this into a supplement, based on the research
36:42
that was done at the University of Oxford by two of our scientific advisors,
36:46
immunology Professor Kutschus Simon and rheumatoid arthritis expert doctor god Alsilet, I looked for
36:57
those things that had the highest concentration of spermitting and could be packed into a
37:02
tiny capsule. So that was WHEATCHERM. So in the end of sperm of
37:06
every plant again to ensure the survival of that seed next generation, it has
37:13
a lot of spermitting in it, and wheattererm happens to have a lot.
37:16
So we entered the market. We were the first into the American market with
37:22
that product, which we got from Japan, and I really wanted something from
37:27
Japan because I know how clean their products are, and so we started with
37:35
that. And that has some other polyamines. Again those just means amino acids,
37:38
some other polyamines called sperming and putrescine. Like you could not you could
37:45
not come up with worse names than this. These names, these names,
37:50
these names all come they were all created by a man and this was all
37:55
done back in the seventeenth century, so okay, I'll cut them some slack,
38:00
these terrible names. But when you have all three of these polyamines together,
38:07
then you actually have a recycling loop. It's a virtuous recycling loop which
38:13
allows the body to continue to salvage whatever is left over and turn it back
38:19
into something else to Putrescine gets turned in dispermitting, gets turned in diospermitting,
38:22
and can be recycled again and again. And that's why I really like the
38:27
wheatch arm product. It also has a prebiotic fiber in it which feeds the
38:32
healthy gut bacteria that you have in your microbiome that allows you to make more
38:40
more spermating. And I just feel like, why waste that opportunity to not
38:46
bring that manufacturing plant that exists in your own body. Why not bring that
38:52
back online. So that was really the thinking behind that first product. But
38:57
so many people, so many autoimmune page heard me speak and said, you
39:01
know, Leslie, that sounds great. We hear about how spermating can inhibit
39:07
plant derived spermating can inhibit nine of the pathways down which we age, like
39:12
stem cell dysfunction and mitochondrial dysfunction and shortened telomeres and impaired cell renewal and inflammation
39:22
and leaky gut. But it's got gluten in it. We can't take that
39:27
product. What are you going to do for us? And so I then
39:31
went back to the drawing board and I looked for something that wouldn't be allergenic.
39:37
And we found the answer in the longevity islands of Okinawa in southern Japan,
39:43
about thirty five miles away from Taiwan, where my mom's from. And
39:49
found a strain of chlorala and they're over one hundred different strains substrains of chlorala.
39:54
Found a unique strain that happened to have naturally high concentrations of spermitting in
40:02
it. So we then commissioned that to be grown, you know, under
40:08
sunlight, next to the ocean, not in the ocean, but next to
40:12
the ocean in carefully controlled pools. And we put that together with some Okinah
40:19
when lime peel. So lime peel is a bit like bergamo bergamo, you
40:24
know, which is used in earl gray tea. That they both have something
40:30
called nobilitant, which is also an activator of that cell renewal process known as
40:36
a tophagy or autophagi, however you want to say it. It's basically your
40:40
cells built in oven cleaning process to spark renewal. And so we put some
40:47
of that Okinah when lime in there. And then Okinah is such a wonderful
40:52
place. The soil is so rich, it's all volcanic, has so many
40:55
minerals, and we found a wonderful turmeric and it contains curricumen, which is
41:01
another a tophagy activator. So so that gluten free product which I actually I
41:07
have here because I'm taking it especially for jet lag as I'm traveling and my
41:14
my young my eighteen year old takes to get rid of the hormonal acne she
41:19
gets along her jaw. That product that was really born out of this desire
41:25
to help my fellow autoimmune patients. And it's it is a super clean product.
41:35
I mean, I have visited the water source for that. It's high
41:39
up in a you know, in the mountains of ok Now, it's all
41:43
volcanic, and and I've you know, I have visited the fields. I've
41:49
met the farmers of both the the Okinawan lime. That guy is he's eighty
41:55
four or eighty six, and he's like a mountain goat, you know,
41:59
very very very strong guy who still pushes a wheelbarrow uphill loves what he does
42:05
outdoors. Right, because Okinawa is one of the Blue zones and obviously famous
42:10
for sweet potatoes, which is another one of their But I don't think many
42:16
people knew about the spermatine that that you know that that was originating in Okinawa,
42:22
so that that even adds another wonderful credential because we everybody knows that.
42:28
Most people know that Okinawa is a very fertile and very clean and very healthy
42:35
environment. So and like you say, the Japanese are just fastidious about the
42:40
cleanliness. So so how many what's one caps are one tablet because it comes
42:46
in tablets, right, the one at least the one tablet, okay,
42:51
So one tablet is how many milligrams one a single tablet you can kind of
42:57
see how they look they are. That would be six hundred, sorry,
43:04
zero point six milligrams of spermitting per tablet. So we say the daily dose
43:09
is two tablets, so you get one point two milligrams of spermating. And
43:16
with our original product the amount is one milligram, So one milligram is really
43:21
the minimum effective dose that you want to hurdle. And there are a lot
43:25
of synthetic products out there now that we've seen that are saying, you know,
43:30
they have ten milligrams twenty milligrams. But our clients come back and say,
43:34
do you know, I don't see the results that I got with your
43:38
product. And it is very much quality over quantity, you know, just
43:45
because you have more does not always mean better. And food derived is the
43:49
way you want to go. And you want to make sure that people are
43:52
not getting it from sprouted versions where they're actually soaking the sprouts in synthetic spermating,
44:00
you know, kind of slurry of water and synthetics permitting. You want
44:02
to get it from a food source and getting it in your diet is definitely
44:07
the best way to do it. But for those people who are kind of
44:12
you know, not able to get it in in a bioavailable form easily,
44:16
then making sure you just get that daily dose with a supplement is the next
44:22
best way. So do you take it with food or on an empty stemne?
44:29
So what so with with the gluten free product, what what I've noticed
44:34
is that some people are sensitive and they must take it with food and you
44:39
know, talking to doctor Gotta Alsole at the University of Oxford about the best
44:44
way to do this, you know, it seems like having it together with
44:50
a food at the last the last time you eat food in the day.
44:54
That is a good thing to do because you are still activating a topage,
45:00
your kick, starting that autophagic process, that cele renewal process, even though
45:06
you're eating. And then in the morning when you wake up and you break
45:12
your fast with breakfast, then you know you could take it then either as
45:17
well or at that time instead. It really depends. And again I always
45:22
say, there is no one size fits all. You have to try it
45:24
yourself. You have to see if you think it's better for you at night
45:28
or better for you in the morning. Okay, so it doesn't really matter,
45:32
but better it is better with food though because of the absorption or okay,
45:37
I'm glad you're talking. I've been taking I've been only taking one and
45:44
I've been taking it on an empty stomach. First thing with my you know
45:46
my vitamins that I take on an empty stomach in the morning. So now
45:51
I know, yeah, yeah, if you're if you're okay taking it on
45:58
an empty stomach and here's how you'll know a lot of people cannot take B
46:01
vitamins on an empty stomach. They start to get crampy, they begin to
46:07
feel nauseous, they might even throw up, and you know it's just be
46:10
vitamins. Those people are also going to have trouble taking spermatin on an empty
46:16
stomach. And so you know, if you've had this experience with bee vitamins
46:22
on an empty stomach, you know who you are. Just have it with
46:27
food. No, personally, I take it. I take it on an
46:32
empty stomach myself, but I can that's because I can't do it me too.
46:38
But now I know I need to add one more because I've been taking
46:42
the point Pilgrims and just figuring so what Because last a couple of weeks ago,
46:51
we had Ross Pelton, who wrote the book on rapamycin, and he
46:55
the atophogy and empore. But just for our viewers, you didn't catch that
47:01
podcast, why don't you define autoplogy for everybody? Sure, A tophogy in
47:08
Greek means self eating, and it really is. As I mentioned, how
47:14
your cells self clean just like pressing the button on your oven to clean itself
47:20
out. So everything in the body is beautifully conserved. And if you know,
47:27
if the cell is working properly, it sees that there is clutter in
47:30
the cell, and that clutter could be mitochondria that doesn't function properly anymore,
47:36
could be could be other bits like proteins in the cell that no longer function
47:43
properly, and it will actually engulf them in what is effectively a giant garbage
47:49
bag, and it will act like a trash compactor and it will just burn
47:53
up what is not functioning well anymore. Now, that process happens on a
48:00
regular basis when we're young. As we get older, that begins to decline.
48:07
Now, if you ask the Japanese, and it was a Japanese scientist
48:12
Yoshinori Osumi, a Tokyo tech who won the Nobel Prize in twenty sixteen for
48:16
discovering the eighteen genes involved in autophogy or cell renewal. He and his team
48:27
say that there's something called rubicon, and rubicon is something that collects in us
48:32
as we get older, and it's it basically inhibits autophogy. And so in
48:42
order to overcome the rubicon, to cross the rubicon, you need supermitting and
48:50
so we're Oxford. Houseman is the only non Japanese member of something called the
48:54
Japan Autophogy Consortium, and Yoshinorio Assumi, the Nobel laureate. He is senior
49:00
advisor to the JAC and we've just recorded with him an interview about his work.
49:09
So his work was done in YE cells, which are not so different
49:15
from human cells. They are not exactly the same. But you can see
49:20
how in a YE cell it takes about thirteen minutes. Every twenty four hours,
49:27
that cell will use thirteen minutes to collect all the rubbish into this giant
49:31
garbage bag and then in about thirty in about thirty seconds, it just evisceraates
49:38
it. It blows it all up, destroys it. And but that is
49:44
something that happens every twenty four hours. It will devote thirteen, thirteen minutes
49:50
and thirty seconds to housekeeping. Right, that's after the best definition I've heard
49:58
of a toplogy, and it because it's more just it dissects it a little
50:02
bit more of the process. But so so you know, people, what
50:07
Ross was saying is that you know people in the grand great grandparent generation or
50:13
even in the cave managed, you know they didn't eat like we do.
50:17
I mean we you know, snacking and well three wheels a day, snaps
50:22
in between and then you know, or durs and bedtimes. I mean,
50:29
just you know, it's it's ridiculous how much we eat. And so he
50:32
said that's part of the reason that people are get obese, and that you
50:39
know, because they and they don't give their body of rest. And that's
50:44
right, but we're not fasting anymore, right, And fasting triggers a toophogy,
50:50
but swimming is a fasting mimetic. So right, you look at the
50:55
you look at those healthy centenarians in Okanawa. They're getting lots of spim in
51:00
their diet. They're still eating three meals a day. They're not fasting,
51:04
but they are getting a lot of spermitting and as a fasting mimetic, you
51:07
can actually trigger that cell renewal process, that autophagic process in the cells regularly
51:16
by getting this in your into your diet. Yeah, And he and I
51:22
were saying that the sixteen eight fasting model, the intermittent fasting, is actually
51:28
not that difficult. If you go to your last meal by six or seven
51:31
and then you don't need to get in until the next day at eleven,
51:36
you've gotten your sixteen hours and of autophagy, so you've had your house cleaning,
51:42
and then you quote break your fast, hopefully with something that's very healthy
51:47
and very easily absorbed and digested by the body and not like a big,
51:53
you know, twelve ounce quarterhouse steak or something, but which I know some
51:59
people do. Yeah, But I mean, so I think that that's really
52:04
important that people understand you can fast without having to make it something so difficult
52:09
because you're sleeping most of that time. But that's right. Your body is
52:15
the work of autophogy. So I think it's a really important concept for people
52:20
to understand. It's one of like a foundational concept for health, for good
52:24
health, and not not anything that has been really talked about until the last
52:30
several years. I think that's because of the Nobell Yeah, and that really
52:35
drew a lot of attention. But what I will say, well, the
52:37
sixteen eight is great and I practiced that myself. It takes seventeen hours for
52:43
the body to hit autophogy, so seventeen hours of fasting, so you just
52:47
need that one extra hour or you know, you could add in make sure
52:52
you're getting some spermitting in those two meals, you know that sort of bookend
52:59
that sleep period or just add in a supplement, right right, So where
53:06
does banato canase? Where does that come into the spermadine. So nato itself
53:12
is if we look at food, at foods with high concentrations of spermating,
53:19
Nato has the highest concentration of spermating of any food. This is a Japanese
53:24
fermented soybean dish. It's a delicacy. It has a very unusual kind of
53:30
very lumpy mouthfeel. It's very cobwebby. Unfortunately, it does kind of get
53:36
all over you. You've got to find a way to eat it without it
53:38
sort of sticking to your hair or your chin. The smell is probably the
53:45
Japanese equivalent of stilton cheese. You know, the Brits love their smelly stilton
53:50
cheese. The smellier, the better. Nato is like that for the Japanese.
53:54
Nanato is fantastic because it contains natose, which is an enzyme. It's
54:01
not a polyamine. It's an enzyme that is very good for heart health.
54:07
But it also contains all three of those polyamines that I mentioned. Spermidine spermine,
54:14
which is good for DNA methylation, turning which means turning genes on and
54:17
off, good genes on, bad genes off, and putrescing, which is
54:22
the precursor raw material for both of those. And so as a as a
54:28
super food, we should all be eating NATO, but you know, it's
54:34
easier said than done. I mean, everybody should probably be having some fish
54:37
oil. You know, why aren't people taking cod liver oil anymore? We
54:40
all know it's good for us. Compliance is kind of low, and especially
54:45
you know, can you tell Westerners to take this food? There will undoubtedly
54:52
be some adventurous members of the public who are able to do it, but
54:57
so many won't be able to. So that's one of the reasons that I
55:01
wanted to look for a supplement that would be an easy way to just throw
55:08
into your daily stack, add to your routine. And we also make it
55:13
as a powder, so you can just sprinkle it into your you know,
55:16
sprinkle it onto your porridge, put it in your auset evil, throw it
55:21
in your smoothies and shakes, and get it that way as opposed to having
55:25
to go into an Oriental market looking for it, maybe getting the frozen kind
55:31
which isn't quite so good because it doesn't have the same high amounts subspermity that
55:37
that you know, freshly made would have. So when I was told because
55:43
I have very thin blood, that I should not use NATOW because it's in
55:47
the blood, which makes sense because you're talking about heart, it's curative ability
55:52
with the heart condition, which would be to you know, make sure the
55:57
blood is thinner, and that does it isn't going to So that's one reason
56:02
why I have to be careful because I know that, and so I'm sure
56:07
there are other people like me who have thin blood. So that would be
56:10
the NATO. The NATO Kaine is that you would be that you would try,
56:15
you would be avoiding and you would also avoid things like like fish oil
56:19
as well because you wouldn't want to reduce your ability to plot. You would
56:22
be good with vitamin K, which K stands for coagulands or coagulating in Danesh
56:30
as it was discovered by the Danes. And there's actually some vitamin K naturally
56:35
in colorilla and also in the in the primatine products, so you'll be getting
56:38
some there, are you. Are you familiar with energy bits? Catherine Earnstein,
56:45
the company with the Colrella and La Sperlina. So can you take all
56:49
three of your product and her products together or is that overdoing? Yes,
56:57
so they're doing different things. You can, it's not a problem. How
57:00
you'll know if you've had too much if you notice constipation, because clorilla can
57:07
Most clorilla has some iron in it, and you might notice that. You
57:13
know you're not having the frequency of bowel movements that you want, especially as
57:20
we get older, that that's something that is an issue, and that probably
57:23
means you've had too much. So you know again, because our clorilla is
57:29
a really rare version of clorilla, it's not one that is easy to find
57:35
on the market. We have to specially commission it. It's growth. It
57:39
takes us about two months to grow it and then another two months to process
57:45
it. It's not your average colorilla. All clorilla will have some spermitting,
57:51
just like all green vegetables in your supermarket, all mushrooms, all tofu it's
57:57
all going to have some spermitting it. Whether or not you absorb all of
58:02
it, whether or not you are getting the minimum effective dose, that is
58:07
the question. What we know is that ours is very easy to absorb and
58:14
it has the minimum effective dose. So in addition to yeah, oh no,
58:21
go ahead, finish what you're saying, and then I'll ask you no,
58:24
it's it's all right, it's all right, go ahead, what I
58:28
was going to ask you is can you measure absorption when when people are taking
58:32
your product? Can you measure with individuals in any test how well they are
58:39
absorbing those fermitings. So so what we what we can do is, you
58:46
know, some there are other foods like mushrooms have high CONSTANTAKI. Mushrooms have
58:52
high concentrations of spermitting in them as well. By what we know is that
58:58
our clients regularly tell us, Hey, I was taking this for invisible results,
59:05
you know, good for me results on the inside, for longevity.
59:07
But I'm noticing that my hair is growing in the corners of my of my
59:13
my forehead, do you know, my temples, And I'm noticing that my
59:15
pigmentation is coming back, or my nails I have to cut them more frequently,
59:22
or my eyelashes are longer, or my lower lashes have come back,
59:25
or eyebrows. They notice these physical changes within about five to six weeks.
59:31
And what we can see is that we have people who respond like immediately,
59:36
and they can see it on their wearable tracking device. They can see it
59:39
with their sleep almost you know, within the first within the very first night.
59:44
These people are people who i'd say are already pretty healthy and they get
59:50
this bump and it immediately hits their sleep score. Then we have the people
59:54
who i'd say, i'd call them slow responders. They are people who've probably
59:59
had you know, the virus that shall not be named, and they have
1:00:02
depleted all of their spermitting Because spermitting activates something called viraphagy, which is basically
1:00:10
the you're getting a garbage bag to put the virus into it and burning that
1:00:15
up. People who are who are overweight who use up the spermitting for a
1:00:21
process called lipophagy. It's also taking that garbage bag and putting bad lipids or
1:00:28
fats and burning that up. And it takes them about three months to see
1:00:31
results. But by about you know, let's say three and a half months,
1:00:37
they're all noticing something. Usually it is that they have to cut their
1:00:42
nails faster. Their hair is growing faster, it's getting it's coming and thicker.
1:00:47
Just so often, you know, you hear about people taking products,
1:00:52
but never make a sit through their digestive because of the acidic nature, like
1:00:55
with probiotics as an example, I just under with spermitine. Is there any
1:01:01
about getting there's studies. There are a lot of studies on it's very good
1:01:08
bioavailability and how it how it it's you know, one of the reasons that
1:01:15
I always say take it orally and not in IV form because there are people
1:01:21
who are starting to do synthetic ivs. It is important that it goes through
1:01:27
the digestive tract and it's a very it's a heavy molecule and it's it does
1:01:35
absorb easily through the digestive tract, but it goes there to tighten up the
1:01:38
junctions. There's type junctions of God to seal it up. And this is
1:01:45
why it's in plentiful quantities in breast milk because the baby's infant digestive system is
1:01:52
not ready for foreign foods. When you think about foreign pathogens, where do
1:01:57
we take them in the most Not through our you know, our ears or
1:02:00
our nose. We take them in through our mouth. And so that's why
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when supermating goes through breast milk to the babies digestive tracked. It seals up
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the gut, but it also activates activates the immune cells lighting the gut to
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say, here is the this is how you have the appropriate response to foreign
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pathogens. And so you want it to go through the gut. It's got
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to go through the gut to really have the impact that that it should have.
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Right, it goes through there. And there are other end zones that
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are created that also help with this, you know, with with more of
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a systemic healing effect as well, but many of them we haven't identified yet.
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This is so interesting. I love this, you know. I just
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I just noticed. Normally Tony flags me with our time, and he must
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have gone into the other studio and so we're hi, and I all of
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a sudden, I got at five after twelve and he hasn't let me know
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yet. Normally we sent it right at So that's great. We've had a
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few extra minutes to make up for our little bit of delayed start. But
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Leslie, I want to just be real quickly to tell people how they can
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buy your product. And I know that you've been very generous in offering a
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fifteen percent discount, and that you said I think you said, Michelle fifteen.
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But Michelle, if everybody's gonna anybody's gonna do it, make sure he's
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sell Michelle, M I C H E L E one L and then one
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five and then and go, what's your website again? It's a It's Oxford
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health Span dot com and and that is you can also find us on Instagram.
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We're very very active there and also on LinkedIn, so the hashtag would
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be Oxford health Span span like the span of a bridge. And your discount
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code is it's Michelle fifteen M I C H E L E fifteen Sorry,
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Michelle fifteen. Order And can they call it in or is there an eight
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hundred number or is it all all by the there is there isn't eight.
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There isn't eight eight eight numbers. So that's one eight eight eight eight eight
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eight two three oh six. You can also call it in perfect excellent.
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Well, Leslie, thank you, And you want to talk to a red
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blooded American if you call in as well, it's I'm sure someplace alse.
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I know. It's so nice you do that. That's really wonderful because you
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know, people get used to not having to even understand who they're talking to.
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But no, no, no, I'm not trying to denegrate any non
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Americans, but or non English speaking, but sometimes it is a little challenging.
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Okay, well, I'm so sorry. We didn't know we're going to
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be together in Vegas. We could have met, but I'm sure you were
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really busy and it was a very pack three days. But they are your
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time today, and I really encourage people to try your product because it's something
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that it's like nothing else, you know. I mean, you can do
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lots of different vitamin v's and lots of fish shows and there's nothing like this
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spermidine or spermidine however you want to say it. But so the product is
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actually called Prime Prima deine because you got away from the sperm, right.
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I have my mom, my mom asking for that name exactly exactly. So
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okay, so anybody who wants Oxford Hellspan is the website, and of course
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Leslie is the CEO and founder, So everybody give it a try. Let
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me know, I would always like to hear feedback from people how you liked
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something that I can pass that on to Leslie. Okay, thank you so
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much, Leslie. I really appreciate your being here and have a wonderful stay
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during the holidays here and in the United States likewise, Thank you so much,
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you too, take care of By Michelle Okay, bye bye bye