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Bonus Episode: Sixes and Sevens and Nines · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this episode, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: this week's subject to the Disgraceland full episode, the National
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Speaker 1: Football League and its criminal origins, the Rolling Stones, Tumbling Dice, Motown, Motorhead,
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Speaker 1: the Libertines, and of course we are diving into your voicemails,
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Speaker 1: text and more, and as always.
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Speaker 2: A whole lot of rosie.
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Speaker 1: All right, disc goes, let's get into it. I'm all
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Speaker 1: sixes and sevens and nines. I always loved that line
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Speaker 1: from the Rolling Stone song Tumbling Dice. I never quite
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Speaker 1: knew what it meant, for sure, I always interpreted it
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Speaker 1: to mean that the protagonist in the song was frustrated,
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Speaker 1: frustrated with his dice game, with the roll of the dice,
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Speaker 1: whatever frustrated with his woman. Whatever it was, he was frustrated.
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Speaker 1: He was up against it, perhaps up against it with
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Speaker 1: whomever he was wagering with. Gambling is, of course, at
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Speaker 1: the core of this week's full episode on the NFL
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Speaker 1: and the league's gambling origins, and there are quite a
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Speaker 1: few characters from this episode that we just released that
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Speaker 1: wind up rolling sixes and sevens and nines figuratively. They
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Speaker 1: end up against it, and they end up murdered because
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Speaker 1: of the risk that they took. Now, I've never been
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Speaker 1: much of a risk taker when it comes to betting.
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Speaker 1: I've never been much of a gambler, not by my
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Speaker 1: family's standards anyway. I come from gamblers football, college football,
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Speaker 1: college basketball cards, the lottery, the daily number, scratch tickets, hell,
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Speaker 1: even bingo. My family gambles a lot, and they always have.
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Speaker 1: I'm the black sheep in this regard in almost all
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Speaker 1: other regards as well, but that's a separate issue. I
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Speaker 1: do bet, but just not as much as they do,
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Speaker 1: or with as much intensity or interest or risk.
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Speaker 2: I bet football.
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Speaker 1: Every week during the season, usually just the pick six
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Speaker 1: football cards. Of course, it's more fun that way. Not
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Speaker 1: sure about the statute of limitations. But even with the
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Speaker 1: advent of legal sports betting apps, my brother in law
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Speaker 1: and I found someone to take our action on a
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Speaker 1: couple of recent Super Bowls.
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Speaker 2: But that's just between you and I.
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Speaker 1: Even with the betting that I do that I just
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Speaker 1: laid out for you, it's nothing compared to how my
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Speaker 1: family bets. Like I said, my relationship with gambling is
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Speaker 1: not what my family's relationship with gambling is. Not that
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Speaker 1: their relationship with it is wrong in any way, It's
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Speaker 1: clearly not mine.
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Speaker 2: It's just different. Now.
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Speaker 1: Going back some years, my stepfather and my grandfather, not
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Speaker 1: my stepfather's father, but my father's stepfather, if that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Growing up, they were both in addition to gamblers, they
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Speaker 1: were both pretty serious alcoholics. They both drank a lot.
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Speaker 1: My stepfather has been sober for thirty something years now,
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Speaker 1: my grandfather has passed.
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Speaker 2: But the point is they were always drinking.
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Speaker 1: I swear I didn't know driving with an open bottle
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Speaker 1: aboudwiser was illegal until I turned about twelve years old,
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Speaker 1: because I'd just seen it done so many damn times before.
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Speaker 1: These guys drank a shit ton and sometimes together. Even
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Speaker 1: though like I said, it was my stepfather drinking with
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Speaker 1: my grandfather, who was my father's stepfather, makes sense. Yet
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Speaker 1: I feel like the more I say it, the mortal
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Speaker 1: makes sense to you. Their drinking was of course a
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Speaker 1: problem for my mother and for my grandmother, who understandably
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Speaker 1: had to put up with other bullshit. Again, they drank
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Speaker 1: all the fucking time, but the only time they didn't
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Speaker 1: drink was when they played cards, these epic games, high
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Speaker 1: rolling games, I presume, thus the sobriety games, where they
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Speaker 1: and a handful of other degenerate gamblers would lock themselves
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Speaker 1: away in a motel or in someone's apartment or garage
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Speaker 1: or god knows where for about two or three days
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Speaker 1: and night straight and gamble and again not drink, which
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Speaker 1: was just astounding to me. How the hell can you
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Speaker 1: be such a pain in the ass drug and piss
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Speaker 1: off my mom and grandmother so much with your drinking,
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Speaker 1: refusing to stop, by the way, and then the only
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Speaker 1: time you do stop is when you want to gamble.
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Speaker 1: Even at a young age, this seemed like a wild
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Speaker 1: misplacement of priorities. Now, I hold no ill will. I
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Speaker 1: love my grandfather and I love my stepfather. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: drink anymore, but he still gambles. And I'm telling you
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Speaker 1: this story not to bitch and moan, but to illustrate
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Speaker 1: how gambling is woven into my family dynamic. Gambling on football. Specifically,
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Speaker 1: our family is part of a season long pool where
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Speaker 1: the wins calculated from our football cards that we bet
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Speaker 1: each each week result in a pretty big, big payout
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Speaker 1: to one of us at the end of the year.
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Speaker 1: My aunt Poppy, I'm pretty sure, puts more time into
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Speaker 1: studying points spreads during the football season than I do
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Speaker 1: researching disgrace land topics.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not even joking. In twenty twenty, when the
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Speaker 2: Kansas City.
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Speaker 1: Chiefs beat the San Francisco forty nine Ers in the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, I not only won the year end football
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Speaker 1: card pool that I was just talking about, I won
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl pool as well. I also won my
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Speaker 1: bet on the game itself. Pretty sure I took the
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Speaker 1: Niners with the points and the Chiefs didn't cover. And
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Speaker 1: also I won our fantasy football league that year that
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Speaker 1: my family participates in. And man did I feel like
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Speaker 1: an asshole in taking all that money from my family members.
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Speaker 1: It was quite a hall when all was said and done,
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Speaker 1: and I ended up donating it to charity just to
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Speaker 1: feel like less of an asshole. I don't have the
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Speaker 1: gambler's gene, or maybe I do and I just suppress it.
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Speaker 1: I think that because of my family, I'm subconsciously afraid
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Speaker 1: that I'm going to like gambling too much and gamble
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Speaker 1: my mortgage payments away. At an early age, I saw
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Speaker 1: gambling take hold of people. By the time I was
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Speaker 1: ten or eleven, I was calling in bets from my
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Speaker 1: stepfather to bookies.
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Speaker 2: Why.
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Speaker 1: I can only assume because my stepfather owed money, was
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Speaker 1: afraid if he called he wouldn't get his bet in.
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Speaker 1: I can't confirm that that was the case, but that's
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Speaker 1: just my suspicion. I should probably ask him. I think
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Speaker 1: he's going to listen to this episode. Maybe he'll tell me.
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Speaker 1: Gambling is, of course all about risk, and as fun
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Speaker 1: as it is for me and my family, it's not
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Speaker 1: really about the risk.
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Speaker 2: For me.
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Speaker 1: It's about socializing. It's about having something to connect us
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Speaker 1: beyond just the games. On Sunday and Lord helped the
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Speaker 1: New England Patriots this year. With this team, we were
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Speaker 1: going to need betting more than ever to keep things interesting.
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Speaker 1: But back to the risk and most other aspects in life.
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Speaker 1: I value risk. I am attracted to risk as someone
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Speaker 1: who owns his own business. There's a certain level of
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Speaker 1: risk involved, and as scary as things sometimes become, this
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Speaker 1: kind of risk kills me as a writer.
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Speaker 2: As an artist.
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Speaker 1: There is also a certain amount of risk that one
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Speaker 1: must take if you're going to be any good anyway,
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Speaker 1: if you're going to have a voice, and if you
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Speaker 1: strive for an original point of view, if you want
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Speaker 1: to leave something behind that outlives you. The only way
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Speaker 1: to do that is to take chances creatively, to try
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Speaker 1: to create something net new, to try and express a
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Speaker 1: novel idea.
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Speaker 2: There's a risk in that if you.
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Speaker 1: Fail, you can sometimes look like an asshole, or worse,
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Speaker 1: you can look derivative. Taking a chance on making something
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Speaker 1: new is difficult. It's easy to do something that's been
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Speaker 1: done before. Okay, you know, it's hard writing tumbling dice
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Speaker 1: coming up with a lyric like I'm all sixes and
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Speaker 1: sevens and nines like Mick Jagger did, a lyric that
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Speaker 1: at face value makes little sense at all, but a
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Speaker 1: lyric that Mick Jagger knew would make sense to the
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Speaker 1: record buying public, perhaps because it made sense to his
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Speaker 1: Heroin zonked out guitar player Keith Richards. This gave Mick
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Speaker 1: the confidence he needed to take the creative risk.
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Speaker 2: Who knows.
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Speaker 1: Whatever the case, it was one of many risks Mick
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Speaker 1: and Keith took on that album. Tumbling Dice might be
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Speaker 1: the greatest song on what might be the greatest rock
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Speaker 1: and roll record ever, The Rolling Stones Exile on Main Street,
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Speaker 1: a record that was made on the run from tax authorities.
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Speaker 1: The Stones, the biggest rock band on the planet at
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Speaker 1: the time, exiled in a foreign country, making a record
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Speaker 1: while trying to avoid a risk, risking it. That kind
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Speaker 1: of risk I can relate to for some reason. Maybe
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Speaker 1: it's ego, maybe it's pride, I don't know. By taking
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Speaker 1: my hard earned money, not as my family has done,
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Speaker 1: but as the larger than life characters from this week's
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Speaker 1: episode on the NFL's Mafia influenced past like they did
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Speaker 1: and wagering it illegally on games that they were also
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Speaker 1: illegally trying to influence. That level of risk, that level
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Speaker 1: of corruption solely for monetary gain. That does not appeal
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Speaker 1: to me, but it makes for a great story, and
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Speaker 1: I hope you check it out.
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Speaker 2: If you haven't, already.
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Speaker 1: That's all relative to the most recent episode that we
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Speaker 1: just did, the one I mentioned that I've been talking
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Speaker 1: about the NFL's corrupt origins. Okay, it's just behind this
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Speaker 1: episode and the feed. Next week's episode is on an
9:07
Speaker 1: entirely different subject. On River Phoenix, I believe we refer
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Speaker 1: to him in the episode as a once in a
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Speaker 1: lifetime talent and or once in a generation talent, I
9:16
Speaker 1: should say, and I believe that it's hard for me
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Speaker 1: to think of another actor from the nineties, another young
9:21
Speaker 1: actor who was as talented as River Phoenix.
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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Leo, maybe Johnny Depp, but I don't know.
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Speaker 1: River Phoenix was special, and it's fun to think about
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Speaker 1: what roles he might have taken on as he grew
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Speaker 1: into manhood. And I bet if River lived, Leonardo DiCaprio's
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Speaker 1: career would probably look a lot different right now. But
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Speaker 1: this is all for next week. So just when you're
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Speaker 1: listening to the River Phoenix episode, be thinking of this question,
9:48
Speaker 1: who is the greatest actor of the nineteen ninety sub question,
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Speaker 1: what Leonardo DiCaprio roles do you think would have went
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Speaker 1: to River Phoenix had he lived? Call me and let
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Speaker 1: me know. Six point seven. I know six six six
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Speaker 1: three eight, Leave me a voicemail, send me a text.
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Speaker 1: You can also reach me at disgrace lampod as well
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Speaker 1: on Instagram, X and Facebook. Keep me with some answers, guys.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a quick break and I'll be back
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Speaker 1: on the other side with your answers to last week's
10:14
Speaker 1: question of the week. All right, guys, we are back
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Speaker 1: with your phone calls and your text on this week's
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Speaker 1: question of the week on the most despicable athlete you
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Speaker 1: can come up with. Of course, we bring this up
10:42
Speaker 1: in reference to this week's episode on the NFL and
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Speaker 1: all the all the transgressions and all the nasty little bits,
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Speaker 1: and all the dirty little secrets, and all the unexplained
10:53
Speaker 1: deaths and the murders and all the stuff that went
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Speaker 1: down in this episode we wanted to hear. I asked you, guys,
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Speaker 1: from your estimation, who are the most disgraceful athletes in
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Speaker 1: the history of sports. Let's check in with Kathy in
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Speaker 1: the nine to seven one.
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Speaker 3: Hi, Jake, this is Kathy from Portland, Oregon, and I
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Speaker 3: have to say the all time worst most despicable athlete
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Speaker 3: not just the NFL, but all time worse. It has
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Speaker 3: to be the Atlanta Falcons, Michael Vick from his two
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Speaker 3: thousand and seven dog fighting case, and Sandy absolutely worse.
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Speaker 3: So just my opinion. Looking forward to the episode, and
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Speaker 3: I'll talk to you later.
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Speaker 2: Bye, Kathy, love the voicemail. Thanks for get in touch.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I hear you on Michael Vick for sure, you know,
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Speaker 1: for me, you know, we do mention Michael Vick in
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Speaker 1: the past episode on the NFL. But for me, and
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Speaker 1: that's horrible. You know, I'm very familiar with the Michael
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Speaker 1: Vick case. I don't even like thinking about it.
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Speaker 2: It's so bad.
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Speaker 1: There's something about the torture of animals that I just
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Speaker 1: no one wants to put their head into.
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Speaker 2: But for me, if I'm having to pull one.
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Speaker 1: Sports star from the history of sports, to me, and
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Speaker 1: perhaps it's because of where I'm from, for me, it's
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Speaker 1: it's Aaron Hernandez. There was something just so chilling about
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Speaker 1: that story when it was happening, when it was unfolding
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Speaker 1: in real time, when we were getting all of those details,
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Speaker 1: and at first it was the murder of Odin Lloyd,
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Speaker 1: and then we learned there were more murders in the
12:25
Speaker 1: cold blooded nature of this guy, the way that he
12:30
Speaker 1: seemed to just unravel into complete psychopathy. Is that a word? Psychopathy?
12:36
Speaker 1: It sounded smart coming out of my mouth. We're just
12:38
Speaker 1: gonna go with it. Really freaked me the fuck out.
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Speaker 1: I gotta say, it really freaked me out. And to me,
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Speaker 1: there's something just like I said, it's just chilling about
12:47
Speaker 1: that story. You know, we could say O. J. Simpson
12:50
Speaker 1: as well, but I'm putting OJ aside. It's just almost
12:52
Speaker 1: too big of a story. It's it's too big to
12:54
Speaker 1: even be a sports story. It's a cultural.
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Speaker 2: Phenomenon that that that.
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Speaker 1: OJ Simpson story on the same subject the four six'
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