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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 6-11-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: Happy Pirs Day, everybody. Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 1: Once again, happy to have you with us. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: try to make it a fun one today. Stanley Cup
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Speaker 1: studio starting in half an hour, going all the way
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Speaker 1: today Mexico versus South Africa. That'll start during our show
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Speaker 1: at one on Fox. Tomorrow, US Men's national team versus
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Speaker 1: Pataguay at Sofi Stadium, that is an evening game one
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Speaker 1: on the show today, Evan Cohen to talk, well a
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Speaker 1: little bit of everything, Brendan Soresby, the NBA Finals, the
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Speaker 1: upcoming draft, of course, the World Cup, which like the Olympics,
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Speaker 1: we all become experts on for a brief and blessed
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Speaker 1: period of a few weeks.
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Speaker 2: And we'll get to all that today.
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Speaker 3: But hol Lee Cow last night's NBA Finals game at
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Speaker 3: MSG where we had an opportunity to see true historic achievements.
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Speaker 3: It looked for most of that game till about six
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Speaker 3: and a half minutes left in that game, like the
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Speaker 3: San Antonio Spurs, we're gonna run away with it. And
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Speaker 3: for the the first time in NBA Finals history, the
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Speaker 3: first four games of a Final series would be won
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Speaker 3: by the road team. At one point, the Spurs were
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Speaker 3: up twenty nine, and we found out a lot about
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Speaker 3: both teams in the largest comeback in NBA Finals history.
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Speaker 3: But the thing that stuck out to be most was that,
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Speaker 3: you know, you attached to major market teams, this sort
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Speaker 3: of front runner mentality. You attached to this major market
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Speaker 3: team like, oh yeah, you know, twenty nine down, they're
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Speaker 3: just gonna fold up the tents and go home.
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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, the New York.
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Speaker 1: Knicks showed an incredible amount of fight, an incredible amount
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Speaker 1: of self belief, incredible team chemistry. And the San Antonio Spurs,
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Speaker 1: as amazing as they are, obviously they're great. If they
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Speaker 1: made it this far, as incredible as Victor Webberinyama is
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Speaker 1: and his supporting cast, they're gonna be the bane of
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Speaker 1: NBA existence for many a franchise for the next decade.
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Speaker 3: But we found out last night. What they are not yet.
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Speaker 3: They are not yet a veteran team that makes the
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Speaker 3: right decisions. They are not yet a team that has
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Speaker 3: coached with a little bit of veteran a plom in
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Speaker 3: those scenarios where, oh, my twenty seven point lead, my
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Speaker 3: twenty nine point lead, my twenty seven point lead, my
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Speaker 3: twenty point lead, my fourteen point lead. Let's get a
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Speaker 3: better shot here, Let's touch the paint for once. Let's
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Speaker 3: not shoot seven to three pointers in a row. Let's
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Speaker 3: not shoot eight three pointers in a row. Let's chew
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Speaker 3: up a little bit more shot clock here, Let's play
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Speaker 3: this game like we are nursing a double digit lead.
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Speaker 3: There was a lot of time spent by the San
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Speaker 3: Antonio Spurs kind of looking wide eyed and scared. What
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Speaker 3: they are not yet is a team full of guys
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Speaker 3: who know what to do when the wheels start to
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Speaker 3: fall off. Now, I'm prone to overreaction and being the
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Speaker 3: prisoner of the moment, and obviously this is.
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Speaker 2: A great team.
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Speaker 1: But we found out that what Victor Webanyama is not yet.
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Speaker 1: We have found this out several times in this series.
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Speaker 1: But he is not yet is a clutch performer. He's
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Speaker 1: an incredible player.
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Speaker 3: He's one of the most skilled guys, one of the
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Speaker 3: most skilled big men we will ever see. He is
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Speaker 3: not yet ice in the veins, stone cold killer clutch
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Speaker 3: in scenarios where you absolutely need him.
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Speaker 2: He's not that yet.
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Speaker 3: And that's not to say he's not gonna be immediately
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Speaker 3: after this season. Maybe this will be the series that
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Speaker 3: teaches him the importance. I mean, Victor Winbinyama missed two
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Speaker 3: free throws down the stree, Rich, when's the last time
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Speaker 3: you saw Victor Weinbinyama miss two free throws?
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Speaker 1: Not not at the same trip, right, like seeing one
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Speaker 1: out of two trips in these in this series a
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Speaker 1: few times that it seemed uncharacteristic because the guy's been
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Speaker 1: been lights out from the line all playoffs leading up
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Speaker 1: to the series. But not like not like that, especially
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Speaker 1: in that moment. I'll say this to OC, I agree
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Speaker 1: with you the point that you're making. I when he
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Speaker 1: threw the ball out of bounds in Game two with
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Speaker 1: it inexplicably with the chance for them to either win
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Speaker 1: the game or send it to overtime, that was the
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Speaker 1: moment where I went, oh, this in NBA Finals pressure,
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Speaker 1: they're not ready for this yet. That's the first time
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Speaker 1: of these postseason that they looked like a young team
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Speaker 1: who's not ready for the pressure yet. And that says
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Speaker 1: a lot about it's how good they are that it
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Speaker 1: took to the NBA Finals.
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Speaker 3: Well, it also says a lot about the New York
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Speaker 3: Knicks being, you know, being a team that is made
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Speaker 3: up of players, right who've kind of earned this. They've
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Speaker 3: they've been through some of these things, they've made those
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Speaker 3: mistakes earlier in their careers, and this San Antonio team
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Speaker 3: is doing it on the biggest stage. I mean, look,
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Speaker 3: one point two seconds left that final possession for the Spurs.
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Speaker 3: It's not an ideal amount of time. You're not gonna
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Speaker 3: get a clean shot, You're not gonna get the best
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Speaker 3: look possible, but you gotta at least get something up,
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Speaker 3: a little play, little lob pass and mishandled and good
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Speaker 3: defense and then you don't even get a shot up,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know how good the play was.
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Speaker 3: Like if you're if you're Mitch Johnson and you have
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Speaker 3: one of the three most capable elevators in the league,
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Speaker 3: I think you have to roll into the basket and
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Speaker 3: try to go for some kind of a tippet like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: and look, I am not the basketball expert that Mitch
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Speaker 3: Johnson is. But everything that you can say about this
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Speaker 3: young Spurs team and maybe there I don't I want
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Speaker 3: to say inability, but they're inexperience in those pressure pack
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Speaker 3: situations when the wheels are falling off. Everything that the
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Speaker 3: players are guilty of the coach too. And again, I
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Speaker 3: think he's great. I think he's gonna be a championship
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Speaker 3: winning coach sooner than later in the NBA. He's probably
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Speaker 3: gonna win multiple rings because of the roster that he's
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Speaker 3: got and how young they are. But he is not
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Speaker 3: yet that guy that when the camera pans to him
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Speaker 3: as New York takes its first lead of.
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Speaker 2: The game with a minute left.
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Speaker 1: He's not the guy that you see on camera, stonefaced.
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Speaker 1: I know exactly what to do. Give me that whiteboard.
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Speaker 1: We're going to a TV time out here. I want
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Speaker 1: to talk to my guys. He's wide eyed. Also, he's
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Speaker 1: looking around. The thunderous applause of the Garden is weighing
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Speaker 1: on him the same way it is that team. And look,
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Speaker 1: I don't expect anything different from a team of this
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Speaker 1: relative youth. I mean, Stefan Castle at twenty one years
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Speaker 1: of age, was the guy I think that showed the
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Speaker 1: most poise down the stretch. Dearon Fox, what are you
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Speaker 1: doing shooting the ball with ten seconds left? Well, why
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Speaker 1: aren't you holding on? Why aren't you making the New
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Speaker 1: York Nicks value? He thought he had a wide open layup,
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Speaker 1: but he forgot that. O Gananobi, who is the finals MVP?
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Speaker 1: Like the Knicks pull this out, whether they get blown
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Speaker 1: out on Saturday, Spursicks in the series, they have to
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Speaker 1: win at home. They have to win at home in
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Speaker 1: game six, or they close it out in San Antono.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Oganoby's Finals MVP.
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Speaker 1: That Block's gonna get lost in everything because of his
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Speaker 1: tip in winner.
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Speaker 2: But that sealed the game well as much.
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Speaker 1: As the tip in winner. What about the what about
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Speaker 1: the wide open three pointer in the corner ten to
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Speaker 1: fifteen for the game?
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Speaker 3: By the way, hitting a wide open three to make
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Speaker 3: it what a four point lead for San Antonio. And
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Speaker 3: he was a guy that helped whittle away and whittle
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Speaker 3: away every game.
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Speaker 1: He's just he's and and his reaction to it was like, yeah, man,
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Speaker 1: we gotta do it again. Let's go like they have
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Speaker 1: the right mindset, and I know the Spurs do also,
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Speaker 1: but we we just learned some things in that game
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Speaker 1: last night that you know you cannot There's no substitute
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Speaker 1: for experience. There is no substitute for time on the
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Speaker 1: court or for having been in a scenario before. And
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Speaker 1: that's not just in sports, but it's especially prevalent in sports.
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Speaker 1: Right if your kid falls down the stairs for the
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Speaker 1: first time ever, you panic about it and your reaction to.
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Speaker 2: It is not as good as the second time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they didn't they didn't die the first time.
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Speaker 1: You're like, okay, he can Well for me, it's he
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Speaker 1: can handle that.
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Speaker 2: Well, you don't, what you know, want to make it
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Speaker 2: a regular thing.
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Speaker 1: So maybe that's the wrong example, But like you know,
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Speaker 1: the first time you get in an argument with your
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Speaker 1: spouse and it feels like the sky is falling and
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Speaker 1: you say things you don't mean and he or she
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Speaker 1: says things they don't mean. Right, then the next time
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Speaker 1: you argue, because you're gonna have multiple Right, the next
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Speaker 1: time you're probably gonna be a little bit more measured,
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Speaker 1: a little bit more realistic, and when it's all said
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Speaker 1: and done, you're probably not panicking about it, like, Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, there's just something too having been there before,
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Speaker 1: and I know it's a big ask, and it's I'm
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Speaker 1: being overly reductive here because this Knicks roster is also
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Speaker 1: made up of guys who have not been in that
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Speaker 1: exact scenario before. You want to know why they haven't
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Speaker 1: been in that exact scenario before, because no NBA player
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Speaker 1: has ever done what we saw done last night. There's
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Speaker 1: never been a thirty point comeback for an NBA Finals victory.
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Speaker 1: It has not happened in the thousands upon thousands upon
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Speaker 1: thousands of NBA games. You don't see thirty point comebacks
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Speaker 1: that often.
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Speaker 3: It's even more rare when it's in the playoffs, and
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Speaker 3: it is the rarest of rare when it happens in
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Speaker 3: an NBA Finals game. And then you throw on top
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Speaker 3: of that that it happened to be a Knicks game
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Speaker 3: at Madison Square Garden and that play We've been overly
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Speaker 3: obsessing about how much people are paying to get into
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Speaker 3: that building for Game four, for Game three.
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Speaker 2: Whatever you paid last night, it was worth it.
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Speaker 3: Whatever your ticket cost you last night, it was worth
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Speaker 3: it to be there in that building. That is going
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Speaker 3: to go down, especially for Knicks fans, but for sports
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Speaker 3: fans in general, for the casual watcher of NBA basketball,
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Speaker 3: that is going to go down as one of the
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Speaker 3: most memorable comebacks in sports history. We are not going
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Speaker 3: to forget about that one anytime soon. That one is
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Speaker 3: going to be a trivia answer for the next several decades.
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Speaker 2: And if you were in the building.
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Speaker 1: For that, that's what Live sports and attendance in the
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Speaker 1: building at Live Sports can do for you that.
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Speaker 2: Nothing else can replicate.
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Speaker 3: But we had a great time watching it on our
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Speaker 3: televisions at home. Right part of what you loved about
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Speaker 3: watching it last night at home was seeing the reactions
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Speaker 3: get and broadcast sports. Broadcast television sports right now are
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Speaker 3: better than they've ever been. They do such a good
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Speaker 3: job with the storytelling. The cameramen know where to put
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Speaker 3: the camera.
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Speaker 1: Which celebrity reaction is the best one. I'm watching with
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Speaker 1: my seven year old daughter and she's like, Taylor Swift
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Speaker 1: is there and she's freaking out about the Knicks being awesome.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like, what team are you rooting for?
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Speaker 3: Knowing exactly what her answer was going to be.
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Speaker 1: She's rooting for the team that Taylor Swift is rooting
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Speaker 1: for right, yeah, and like just this whole theater, the
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Speaker 1: soap opera of all of it, and the New York
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Speaker 1: Knicks whittling away, whittling away, whittling away. Plenty of work
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Speaker 1: left to be done by the time you get into
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Speaker 1: that fourth quarter, chipping and chipping and hacking away and somehow,
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Speaker 1: And I cannot wait to talk to Gordy Chays about this.
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Speaker 2: He's in studio with us.
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Speaker 3: I cannot wait to talk about Like, I don't know
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Speaker 3: how it happens for the San Antonio Spurs. If someone
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Speaker 3: comes back from nine points down, that can take a
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Speaker 3: grand total of twelve seconds.
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Speaker 2: Right, This was a slow bleed.
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Speaker 3: This was minutes and minutes of bad basketball, of poor
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Speaker 3: decision making, of unfortunate bounces for the San Antonio Spurs
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Speaker 3: that they weren't able to interrupt, they weren't able to
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Speaker 3: get the momentum back, and then the most experienced guy
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Speaker 3: on your team makes one of the more unforgivable gaffs
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Speaker 3: by that letting the clock milk out.
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Speaker 1: There was just a lot that went wrong here for
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Speaker 1: the San Antonio Spurs. They're not out of it.
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Speaker 3: The series is not over right because as much as
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Speaker 3: we can be critical of what happened last night, we
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Speaker 3: have to remember that they battled their way out all
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Speaker 3: the way to here. They're well ahead of schedule of
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Speaker 3: what we think they should be as a franchise. Oh
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Speaker 3: and by the way, they're going to go back to
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Speaker 3: San Antonio, and you're gonna have a top five player,
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Speaker 3: top three player in the world, looking to prove everyone
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Speaker 3: wrong about the mistakes he made in games three, game
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Speaker 3: or game two. In game four, right, you're gonna be
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Speaker 3: looking at Dearon Fox, who wants to get a bad
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Speaker 3: taste out of his mouth. You're gonna be looking at
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Speaker 3: Stefan Castle, who's like, man if I could have done
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Speaker 3: this or that just a little bit differently, Dylan Harper
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Speaker 3: is gonna be like, man if I just would have
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Speaker 3: had a little bit more experience, a little bit more forethought,
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Speaker 3: and I just would have moved myself two and a
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Speaker 3: half feet to my left in the lane, I'm almost
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Speaker 3: accidentally boxing.
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Speaker 2: Out og ed and over.
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Speaker 1: And he doesn't get that tip in just old school.
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Speaker 1: Gordy knows this. He's taught it this way. Turn and
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Speaker 1: find the turn and find someone and put your body
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Speaker 1: on him. That's Dan Patrick was lamenting how that seems
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Speaker 1: to be out of the game now at the NBA level,
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Speaker 1: And I don't know that it's completely out of the game,
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Speaker 1: but there's certain moments where you're like, when did they
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Speaker 1: stop turning and finding a guy?
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Speaker 3: I'll say that last night when it is a seemingly
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Speaker 3: final shot or potential final shot of the game, which
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Speaker 3: Brunson was right on kind of that border when he
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Speaker 3: took that long three, right, because there were two seconds
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Speaker 3: on the clock, a second point seven on the clock
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Speaker 3: when he throws that thing up, and depending on if
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Speaker 3: it goes in or you know, the carram off the backboard,
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Speaker 3: that might be the end of the game, could be. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: So you you could be caught ball watching there. Everyone,
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Speaker 3: even really experienced players can be caught ball watching there.
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Speaker 3: But the again, this is why this is something that
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Speaker 3: I don't think the audience in the garden probably had
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Speaker 3: the benefit of. But there was an incredible angle the
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Speaker 3: camera that's on top of the shot clock right back
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Speaker 3: of the rim or excuse me, on top of the
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Speaker 3: backboard shot clock, that camera looking down and giving us
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Speaker 3: the angle of Ogananobi just skying in and tipping that
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Speaker 3: ball in what I was focused on. There was young
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Speaker 3: Dylan Harper, who again incredible player, is going to have
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Speaker 3: a wonderful career. He was watching the ball bouncing off
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Speaker 3: and he was in awe. He was you can see
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Speaker 3: the expression on his face. He's talking to himself in
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Speaker 3: his mind. He's going, oh my. And then you watch
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Speaker 3: the surprise register on his face because he's going up
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Speaker 3: for the rebound right and he's up there. He's elevating
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Speaker 3: his right hand I think it was his right hand.
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Speaker 1: His right hand is eleven and a half feet off
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Speaker 1: the ground, ready to collect this ball as it's coming down.
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Speaker 1: And then you see the surprise on his face register
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Speaker 1: as og Anobi comes hustling past him and gets to
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Speaker 1: the ball before he does gets it's a game of inches.
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Speaker 3: OG's hand touches the ball instead of Dylan Harper's hand
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Speaker 3: touching the ball, because Dylan Harper was ball watching and
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Speaker 3: and I'm not blaming anything on him. I think in
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Speaker 3: every scenario most people are doing exactly that. And there
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Speaker 3: was also I can't remember which play which Knicks player was.
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Speaker 3: There was also someone out kind of on the the
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Speaker 3: far right elbow there he.
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Speaker 1: Was Towns Fox was Fox had had gone on, had
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Speaker 1: gone off of Ananobi went to towns to box him out.
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Speaker 1: That was the other side or the other side, Okay,
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Speaker 1: it was the other side. And and there were there
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Speaker 1: were two that Yeah, I think it might have been hard.
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Speaker 1: There's two spurs over there, kind of like you're sort
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Speaker 1: of you're sort of in between. That's right. He was
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Speaker 1: like he was almost like the third guy on that side,
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Speaker 1: Dylan Harper. Yet but and and so I'm not trying
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Speaker 1: to blame Dylan Harper for anybody, but it's just this,
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Speaker 1: like he doesn't get his body into the perfect position
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Speaker 1: in the lane and og Ananobi comes past him. You
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Speaker 1: see this in football all the time, where a ball
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Speaker 1: is underthrown. It was the equivalent of that, a ball
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Speaker 1: is underthrown and either the defensive back who feels like
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Speaker 1: he's got the best beat on it, or more often
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver who's like, Okay, I'm gonna wait for
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Speaker 1: this thing to fall into my chest. I'm gonna wait
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Speaker 1: for this thing to fall into my bread basket. And
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Speaker 1: then you see the super slow motion replay where they're
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Speaker 1: waiting on the ball. They're anticipating, all right, here it
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Speaker 1: comes here, it comes here, it comes and then somebody
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Speaker 1: goes and high points it in front of him. Somebody realizes,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna attack this ball, I'm gonna catch it out
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Speaker 1: of the air. I'm gonna hustle for this thing, and
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Speaker 1: the guy who's on the ground waiting for it, it's
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Speaker 1: never coming to him.
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Speaker 3: That was the same thing that happened to Dylan Harper,
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Speaker 3: because ogn Andobi just hustled a little bit more, because
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Speaker 3: og Nanobi just had a little bit better read, because
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Speaker 3: og Nanobi, at this point in his career, is a.
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Speaker 2: Little bit better, has a little bit more experience.
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Speaker 3: It is a guy that I mean, he was like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: Brunson got a really good look. But I was doing
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Speaker 3: what I do. I was crashing the boards. He was
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Speaker 3: being ready for anything. He was not ball watching. He
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Speaker 3: was not holding his breath like the rest of the
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Speaker 3: garden was to see if that shot was going to
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Speaker 3: go in. He was proactively attacking just in case, and
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Speaker 3: that just in case turned into one of the most
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Speaker 3: legendary putbacks we have ever seen an NBA basketball What
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Speaker 3: a game, what a night, What an incredible performance by
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Speaker 3: the New York Knicks. What an epic and just sickening
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Speaker 3: collapse by the San Antonio Spurs. You've seen a trillion
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Speaker 3: games in your favorite sport, from your favorite team, or
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Speaker 3: even the very very best players. You know that they're
19:44
Speaker 3: sitting in a film room somewhere today and they were
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Speaker 3: riding on a plane late last night, and they woke
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Speaker 3: up and they got in a car and they were
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Speaker 3: just like man, I wish I could have that moment
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Speaker 3: back the Aaron Fox is having nightmares about putting that
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Speaker 3: shot up when he didn't need to. Victor wiman Yama
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Speaker 3: is waking up in a cold sweat thinking about missing
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Speaker 3: two free throws in the same trip to the line
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Speaker 3: with the game on the line, the difference between three
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Speaker 3: points and one point as a margin.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 3: High drama, incredible theater. And the New York Knicks now
20:32
Speaker 3: on the precipice, on the brink of delivering a championship
20:35
Speaker 3: to a fan base that has been thirsty and starved,
20:40
Speaker 3: and it is.
20:42
Speaker 1: I mean, I try. I think I am not the
20:47
Speaker 1: average celebrity worshiper. I enjoy pop culture, and I enjoy comedy,
20:53
Speaker 1: and I enjoy all the things that these celebrities give us.
20:56
Speaker 1: I don't put them on pedestals very often, but watching
21:02
Speaker 1: it's like one camera angle. There's Jerry Seinfeld, There's Larry David,
21:07
Speaker 1: There's Taylor Swift with the lady from herb Street was cool.
21:12
Speaker 1: There's John Calipari was there in a suit, and you're
21:15
Speaker 1: just like, oh my gosh, they're just showing everyone in
21:18
Speaker 1: the crowd.
21:18
Speaker 2: Like Adam Sandler was on the second row.
21:21
Speaker 1: With his wife. He was he was behind the basket
21:24
Speaker 1: I think where the tipping happened or maybe he maybe
21:27
Speaker 1: it was the other basket. He was behind one of
21:28
Speaker 1: the baskets and you could see his you could see
21:31
Speaker 1: him reacts to all the big plays too. Yeah, that
21:36
Speaker 1: was fun. Ernie Johnson in the pregame getting a picture
21:41
Speaker 1: with Taylor Swift and being like, my daughter and granddaughter
21:46
Speaker 1: love me right now because because it's just it's so
21:49
Speaker 1: great and of course it's a game when arguably the
21:53
Speaker 1: most famous person in the world, Taylor Swift shows up.
21:56
Speaker 2: That this happens too, like it's a you.
21:59
Speaker 1: Know, after and it's the game that the president is
22:02
Speaker 1: not at too, that this happens just incredible. Comeback. I'll
22:08
Speaker 1: say this, I think something that screwed the Spurs that
22:13
Speaker 1: is not being I don't I don't know that it's
22:16
Speaker 1: getting enough run this morning as we react to it.
22:18
Speaker 1: Oh see at national shows and so far here. Uh,
22:23
Speaker 1: Stefan Castle was in foul trouble all game and it
22:27
Speaker 1: didn't feel like it mattered because the Spurs were up
22:30
Speaker 1: all game, a big all game, right, But as we
22:33
Speaker 1: talk about why did they just jack up threes all
22:36
Speaker 1: the time?
22:36
Speaker 2: Why didn't they keep getting into the paint?
22:39
Speaker 1: Stefan Castle is the guy for the Spurs that if
22:43
Speaker 1: you watch closely, he's the guy that does that for them,
22:47
Speaker 1: and missing him for a lot of that second half.
22:50
Speaker 1: He got his fourth foul pretty early in the third quarter,
22:53
Speaker 1: got his fifth foul pretty early in the fourth quarter.
22:55
Speaker 1: He only had that I think eleven points. He's the
22:58
Speaker 1: guy that gets He hadn't with thirteen, but thirteen not
23:02
Speaker 1: an ef fishing game for him. And it's a point
23:03
Speaker 1: where mate, he only played twenty six minutes in this game.
23:06
Speaker 1: I think they missed his presence and I think that's
23:08
Speaker 1: a lot of the reason why we saw some puzzling
23:11
Speaker 1: offensive execution and puzzling choices and you had you had
23:14
Speaker 1: thirty two minutes of pretty good basketball from Dylan Harper.
23:17
Speaker 2: I mean, he played a really good game.
23:20
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, there's another thing
23:22
Speaker 1: that this was Chris Weber was on Rich Eisen, he
23:27
Speaker 1: was talking about this, we learned what the Spurs are
23:31
Speaker 1: not quite yet in some of those moments last night.
23:35
Speaker 1: And one of the things that he pointed out that
23:37
Speaker 1: I couldn't articulated as well as he did, but you
23:42
Speaker 1: noticed it down the stretch. Victor wembin Yama is right
23:46
Speaker 1: now the alpha dog on the Spurs, but he is still.
23:51
Speaker 3: He's too good of a teammate almost, He's still as
23:56
Speaker 3: collaborative as you can ask for. He's he's well, he's
24:00
Speaker 3: he didn't do the thing that Weber was talking about.
24:03
Speaker 3: If Kobe had been in that situation, if Shaq had
24:05
Speaker 3: been in that situation, if Michael Jordan had been in
24:07
Speaker 3: that situation, and there's probably other players in the league.
24:11
Speaker 2: Lebron I need the ball, like Lebron is.
24:13
Speaker 1: Also, Lebron gets criticism for this also right where Lebron
24:17
Speaker 1: will be deferential and he'll usually though, when Lebron is
24:21
Speaker 1: criticized for not taking the shot, it's because he draws
24:25
Speaker 1: three defenders and then he passes off to someone who
24:27
Speaker 1: has the open shot.
24:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's different.
24:29
Speaker 1: But what Chris Weber was saying is that like I
24:33
Speaker 1: was watching, you know, I was on the court. He's
24:36
Speaker 1: talking about a Sacramento days.
24:37
Speaker 3: I'm on the court and we're staging a comeback, and
24:42
Speaker 3: Shaquille O'Neal says to his teammates, I need the ball
24:46
Speaker 3: these next three possessions, and you don't have to get
24:49
Speaker 3: a time out, right, Mitch Johnson doesn't have to do this.
24:52
Speaker 3: Victor Webbin Yama or Michael Jordan or Lebron James or
24:56
Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant or whomever. Some guys are in a position
24:59
Speaker 3: in this league where they can tell anybody. They can
25:02
Speaker 3: tell someone more experienced than them. They can tell the
25:04
Speaker 3: veteran on the team. They can tell the point guard.
25:06
Speaker 1: Whoever that is, you give me the ball this next
25:10
Speaker 1: trip down the floor, no matter what, the ball has
25:13
Speaker 1: to come to me. And if you're the size of
25:17
Speaker 1: Victor Webbin Yama, it's not as big of an ask
25:20
Speaker 1: to tell whoever's handling the ball, whoever's.
25:22
Speaker 3: The ball dominant gy, who's ever bringing up the floor.
25:24
Speaker 3: Give me the ball and there's going to be theces
25:29
Speaker 3: written is that the THESS thesis is what's the eight
25:35
Speaker 3: seven seven zero zero seven hundred to be confused with
25:40
Speaker 3: a different word that starts half, Yeah, is it theces
25:43
Speaker 3: or is it thesis?
25:45
Speaker 1: Is the SI? I think I think it's thesis, but
25:49
Speaker 1: maybe someone who knows.
25:51
Speaker 2: It sounds it's a sound like a word.
25:53
Speaker 3: There's going to be dissertations written or a thesis on
25:59
Speaker 3: the choice to initiate an offense through a seven foot
26:03
Speaker 3: five inch player at the three point line way too often. Yeah,
26:07
Speaker 3: and I know he's lean, and I know that that
26:11
Speaker 3: Karl Anthony Towns and Mitch Robinson and everyone else that
26:15
Speaker 3: was getting. You know, they're they're putting bodies on him
26:18
Speaker 3: and stuff. But the decision to start that offensive engine
26:24
Speaker 3: so far away from the basket, when you're up twenty seven,
26:28
Speaker 3: when you're up twenty four, when you're up eighteen, when
26:32
Speaker 3: you're up fifteen, is probably not going to be something
26:36
Speaker 3: that is universally accepted around the league. Is probably not
26:39
Speaker 3: going to be something that the Spurs look back at
26:41
Speaker 3: on and say, yeah, that was the right decision for
26:43
Speaker 3: us to make continually over and over and over. So
26:46
Speaker 3: I think that's something that again next year, you don't
26:51
Speaker 3: see from Victor wiman Yama. If a situation like this arises.
26:55
Speaker 3: I think that he's going to learn, because we know
26:57
Speaker 3: we've shown with him. We've seen already in his first
26:59
Speaker 3: three years in the league he's very good at absorbing,
27:02
Speaker 3: is improving at all these things. I think that he
27:06
Speaker 3: might tell, you know, there, you don't get the teammate
27:10
Speaker 3: chirpiness back and forth from the San Antonio Spurs right
27:13
Speaker 3: now pretty much. Ever, that might be something that that
27:16
Speaker 3: group actually needs in a scenario like this, in like
27:20
Speaker 3: a you know, hey, if you don't give me the ball.
27:25
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kick your ass. It needs to be mine.
27:29
Speaker 1: The Buddhist the Buddhist zen stuff that I'm gonna throw
27:32
Speaker 1: that away if you don't give me the ball right now. Hey,
27:34
Speaker 1: Darren Fox, we love you.
27:37
Speaker 3: You have to give me the ball. There, the ball
27:40
Speaker 3: has to touch my hands here. You were clutched player
27:43
Speaker 3: of the year five years ago. You're not clutched player
27:46
Speaker 3: of the year anymore, Dearon Fox.
27:47
Speaker 4: Like that.
27:49
Speaker 2: I know you're the most veteran guy. I'm the best player.
27:52
Speaker 1: It has to come to me. And and maybe that's
27:55
Speaker 1: something that's not really part of Victor women Yama's personality
27:58
Speaker 1: right now. For him to be a multiple time champion
28:02
Speaker 1: and a multiple time MVP, like we know he is
28:04
Speaker 1: destined to be. That has to become part of his lexicon.
28:08
Speaker 1: I think that's got to be in the toolbox. It's
28:11
Speaker 1: got to be something where you don't have. You're not
28:13
Speaker 1: mister popularity. He's not already with his opponents, which I
28:17
Speaker 1: love about him. You don't have to be that with
28:20
Speaker 1: your teammates all the time either. How many times did
28:24
Speaker 1: Calm alone upset people in the locker room with him?
28:27
Speaker 1: How many times was Carl Malone telling guys on the
28:31
Speaker 1: floor or even John Stockton tell guys on the floor,
28:33
Speaker 1: get out of my way. Don't do that ever again,
28:37
Speaker 1: Gordy would know. Gordy would know. Were we talk to
28:41
Speaker 1: a second, I'll say this to OC. You mentioned Chris Weber.
28:45
Speaker 1: I think he's the appropriate guy to talk about a
28:48
Speaker 1: team collapsing because he's a guy who was never ready
28:51
Speaker 1: for the moment in his career Michigan or otherwise. So
28:54
Speaker 1: he was perfect to talk about Milter Win Minyama in
28:57
Speaker 1: the spurs kind of the shrinking in the big.
29:00
Speaker 3: The social media analysts, they always have the right knife
29:02
Speaker 3: to twist, right, and I saw that like that is
29:06
Speaker 3: the worst that there was a comparison. D'aron fox is
29:10
Speaker 3: with the worst late game decision since Chris Webber trying
29:13
Speaker 3: to call a time out.
29:14
Speaker 2: It's like that's thirty years ago.
29:15
Speaker 1: Man, let it lie, leave it alone.
29:17
Speaker 2: More than it's thirty five years ago.
29:19
Speaker 1: Coming up here, Yeah, so good get by Rich Eisen
29:23
Speaker 1: to get like perfect guy to get on to talk
29:26
Speaker 1: about what the Spurs did last night.
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Speaker 3: I kid, all right, I'm gonna while we're in the break,
29:32
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look up what's the correct form of the
29:34
Speaker 3: plural thesis. And then we're also gonna pick Gordy Chia's's
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Speaker 3: brain about one of the most epic and incredible comebacks
29:42
Speaker 3: we have seen in any sport ever happening last night
29:47
Speaker 3: and we all watched it in awe. The Sean O'Connell
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Speaker 3: Show just getting started on a Thursday ESPN seven hundred
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Speaker 1: He's out.
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Speaker 5: Let's get the latest on the Utah jads with former
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Speaker 5: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
30:14
Speaker 5: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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Speaker 6: Let's not get crazy.
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Speaker 1: Come for the.
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Speaker 5: Hoops talk, stay for his list of the day My
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Speaker 5: list today, here's oh see with basketball sabon Gordy Chiasa
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Speaker 5: on the Sean O'Connell show.
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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome
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Speaker 1: in our good friend, Gordy Chiasa, resident NBA guru, New
30:36
Speaker 1: Yorker and a man who's watched plenty of New York
30:40
Speaker 1: Knicks basketball, plenty of NBA basketball, but even he has
30:44
Speaker 1: never seen something like we saw last night in an
30:47
Speaker 1: NBA Finals game, the largest comeback in NBA Finals history,
30:53
Speaker 1: completed by the New York Knicks as they go up
30:57
Speaker 1: three to one over the San Antonio Spurs in this
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Speaker 1: NBA Finals series.
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Speaker 2: Gordy, welcome, how are you, sir?
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Speaker 6: I am doing well?
31:04
Speaker 7: And last night's game for all the basketball fans and
31:08
Speaker 7: just generally speaking, any fan of sports, it was an
31:13
Speaker 7: epic one for the ages of how the Knicks came
31:16
Speaker 7: back in that game or how the Spurs collapse. It
31:20
Speaker 7: was both and now admit is so interesting the dynamics
31:24
Speaker 7: of it. I'll quote right now sewan a Tale of
31:27
Speaker 7: Two Cities by charl Dickens. For the Spurs, it was
31:30
Speaker 7: the best of times. In the first half. It was
31:33
Speaker 7: the worst of times in the second half, for sure.
31:35
Speaker 7: And you know, Sean, you and I we both love
31:37
Speaker 7: Charles Dickens.
31:40
Speaker 3: Sure, yes, classic literature is a great thing, all right, Gordy.
31:44
Speaker 3: So I want to like just kind of let you
31:47
Speaker 3: give us your evaluations of how everything happened. I just
31:50
Speaker 3: spent twenty five minutes ranting about my thoughts on it,
31:54
Speaker 3: and you have obviously a much better perspective, a.
31:57
Speaker 1: Much more informed eye on all these things. So what happened?
32:03
Speaker 2: How did this happen?
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Speaker 7: Well, what happened was that simply is that that at
32:08
Speaker 7: halftime the Spurs were making all these incredible shots. In
32:13
Speaker 7: the first half, they relied on the three point shooting
32:16
Speaker 7: and it was going in. So that's the positive for
32:19
Speaker 7: the Spurs. The nickelbackers couldn't make a shot. They were
32:23
Speaker 7: they fouled way too much in the first half and
32:25
Speaker 7: they were letting the Spurs affect them mentally by their physicality.
32:33
Speaker 7: And then the second half it was direct opposite where
32:36
Speaker 7: at halftime they were grouped mentally. It wasn't anything they
32:40
Speaker 7: did differently, but mentally, these nickelboxers they were there. Absolutely,
32:45
Speaker 7: they got themselves ready mentally to play and then they
32:49
Speaker 7: just kept on chipping away on it. The Knicks outscored
32:52
Speaker 7: the Spurs fifty eight to thirty in the second half.
32:55
Speaker 7: And it wasn't one thing, it was everything. How they
32:58
Speaker 7: just kept on playing better defense, shot selection to the
33:04
Speaker 7: advantageous of it, and with the Spurs did incorrectly. They
33:08
Speaker 7: were arrogant. They kept on shooting three point shots and
33:12
Speaker 7: there wasn't going in. In the second half, the Spurs
33:14
Speaker 7: shot three for seventeen from threes. But worse than that,
33:17
Speaker 7: it's how they did it where they just came down.
33:21
Speaker 7: They didn't run any offense at all. They just decided
33:23
Speaker 7: to at the ball, to go one on one and
33:26
Speaker 7: shoot at ilevis shot and it was very much the
33:30
Speaker 7: three point component of it. Or they were missing at
33:33
Speaker 7: the rim. And that's what happened during the game that
33:36
Speaker 7: the switch switch. The switch was turned on and off
33:41
Speaker 7: by the Spurs and Nicks took advantage of it. It
33:44
Speaker 7: was absolutely a great comeback by the Knicks, and it
33:48
Speaker 7: was led by jellen Brunson's brilliance. How he kept on
33:51
Speaker 7: driving the ball to the basket and making plays and
33:54
Speaker 7: vastly underrated og And Andobi had a tremendous all around game.
33:59
Speaker 7: He was making his corner threes off rhythm and just
34:04
Speaker 7: generally speaking that the Nikobocker's were making better choices of
34:09
Speaker 7: shots and their defense picked up dramatically, and that's what happened.
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Speaker 1: So what do you do when you're up twenty nine
34:20
Speaker 1: and then you start taking simil advised threes right and
34:24
Speaker 1: you're missing them. You shoot seven threes in a row
34:28
Speaker 1: up twenty plus points or something like that, and you're
34:31
Speaker 1: not making them. You're not extending your lead with these things,
34:33
Speaker 1: but you're still at that point, you're still holding on
34:36
Speaker 1: to a pretty comfortable lead. From a coaching perspective, from
34:41
Speaker 1: a bench perspective, maybe from a player leadership perspective, what.
34:45
Speaker 2: Is the correct reaction to it?
34:46
Speaker 1: Obviously we have the benefit of hindsight now to say, oh,
34:50
Speaker 1: you can't allow that stretch to continue.
34:52
Speaker 2: You got to call a time out.
34:53
Speaker 1: You got to take advantage of a TV timeout and say, hey,
34:56
Speaker 1: I need an inside shot, I need a mid range shot.
34:58
Speaker 3: Don't take another three for a couple more possessions. But
35:01
Speaker 3: it's not that simple. So what do you do? Mitch
35:03
Speaker 3: Johnson is a young coach.
35:04
Speaker 1: He's a great coach, but he's a young coach, he's
35:06
Speaker 1: got a young team that keeps making this mistake as
35:09
Speaker 1: the league gets whittled away. What is the correct way
35:12
Speaker 1: to interrupt that momentum for the Knicks.
35:15
Speaker 7: As a group, drive the ball into the pain. In
35:18
Speaker 7: other words, that ball should touch the pain. So whether
35:21
Speaker 7: it's either a direct post up inside or mid post
35:24
Speaker 7: up or penetrating, what you do is that you slow
35:27
Speaker 7: the game down when the other team's accelerating by scoring momentum.
35:32
Speaker 6: The opposite side should be you.
35:34
Speaker 7: Slow the game down, that you play half court defense,
35:38
Speaker 7: meaning the Spurs, and when you come down the floor,
35:41
Speaker 7: you get everybody organized and you run some sort of
35:45
Speaker 7: either set play or concept game. So it could be
35:50
Speaker 7: some sort of screening action besides pick and roll. Remember now,
35:53
Speaker 7: pick and roll or ball screen offense shouldn't be your
35:57
Speaker 7: only offense. It's part of an offense. What they wanted
36:00
Speaker 7: to do a dribble handoff action. What you want to
36:03
Speaker 7: do is why try to get the best shot available. So,
36:07
Speaker 7: in other words, during that game, there was very little
36:10
Speaker 7: white screening action. We call it where a good shooter
36:13
Speaker 7: comes off a screen looking for what a catch and shoot,
36:16
Speaker 7: jump shot or catch and go drive. It was all
36:18
Speaker 7: why just passing the ball around perimeter and everybody took
36:23
Speaker 7: it at any choice. They took a three point shot,
36:26
Speaker 7: and really basically it was the arrogance of the Spurs
36:29
Speaker 7: that helped the next come alive in that game. In
36:33
Speaker 7: other words, where they kept on just playing perimeter, there
36:36
Speaker 7: was no inside game. It was only perimeter. Every once
36:39
Speaker 7: in a while Whenbia would roll to the basket and
36:41
Speaker 7: get there was a mismatch as far as airborne, he
36:44
Speaker 7: was able to either catch a lob or get fouled
36:46
Speaker 7: in a lop pass. But generally speaking it was the
36:50
Speaker 7: Spurs played right into Nickerbocker's hands. Remember the half, the
36:54
Speaker 7: start of the fourth quarter, the Spurs are up fifteen points,
36:57
Speaker 7: up fifteen, Yeah, it was up fifteen. It wasn't like
37:00
Speaker 7: so it was more the Spurs allowed the Knicks to
37:06
Speaker 7: come back in that game really by simply shot selection.
37:10
Speaker 7: So shot selection in the second half was the storyline
37:14
Speaker 7: for the Spurs. Then the nixt storyline was what chip
37:19
Speaker 7: away at It makes shots out of team rhythm and
37:24
Speaker 7: just fit will be more physical without dramatically fouling.
37:30
Speaker 1: Josh Hart had a a missed I thought it was
37:33
Speaker 1: going to be a dunk.
37:34
Speaker 2: Attempt. Instead, he tries to lay it in.
37:36
Speaker 6: He misses it right in between like dunk and o' laying.
37:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, the I think he was he was anticipating contact
37:43
Speaker 1: from the trailing defender and so he wasn't focused on
37:46
Speaker 1: the shot.
37:47
Speaker 2: But how did you view that play?
37:49
Speaker 6: Yes, same thing?
37:50
Speaker 7: Also exactly right is that in between dunking the ball
37:54
Speaker 7: went in doubt. I always talk about it, lay the
37:58
Speaker 7: ball off the glass. And the reason why is that
38:00
Speaker 7: also eventually the trailing defender he might try to goaltend it. Sure, yeah,
38:04
Speaker 7: it could be, so you want to laid up off
38:06
Speaker 7: the glass old school just laid up. Speaking of choices
38:10
Speaker 7: we left out also purposely until right now is that
38:14
Speaker 7: darn Fox made a critical mistakes, but one in particular
38:19
Speaker 7: when they played good defense the spurs and the ball
38:24
Speaker 7: came out and the the outlet passed to Darren Fox
38:29
Speaker 7: and he came down. What he should have done was
38:31
Speaker 7: why run the clock out? Run it out. Don't take
38:35
Speaker 7: that leg because it was a challenging shot. What do
38:38
Speaker 7: you want to do is maybe attack the paint and
38:41
Speaker 7: then make it we call it a white out dribble
38:43
Speaker 7: where you go into the painted area. Do not take
38:46
Speaker 7: the shot because at that time the clock is on
38:49
Speaker 7: your side versus another basket. And what he did he
38:52
Speaker 7: tried to watch make a basket and he missed it,
38:55
Speaker 7: and that absolutely gave he gave the gave you one
38:58
Speaker 7: more shot at it. When he's the knickobockers to come
39:01
Speaker 7: down on it at that time, go into the paint,
39:05
Speaker 7: bring it back out, make him failure.
39:08
Speaker 2: At that point, you have about ten seconds left in
39:10
Speaker 2: the game.
39:10
Speaker 1: Yes, he decides immediately to get possession of that ball,
39:15
Speaker 1: try to lay it up to give them a three
39:17
Speaker 1: point lead. He explained after the game that that was
39:20
Speaker 1: his thought process, that's what he was trying to do.
39:23
Speaker 1: But I mean, depending on how quick thinking the Knicks
39:26
Speaker 1: are in that situation and how good your evasive dribbling is,
39:30
Speaker 1: you could chew up another three four seconds off the
39:32
Speaker 1: clock potentially if you do what you just instructed.
39:35
Speaker 3: If you do, you know, you you collect that ball,
39:38
Speaker 3: you're in the paint. Now, you dribble that thing all
39:40
Speaker 3: the way, you can go all the way out to
39:41
Speaker 3: half court, run away from him well very much. And
39:45
Speaker 3: then he doesn't, So the Knicks get the next possession,
39:48
Speaker 3: and that is where the long brunts and three turned
39:52
Speaker 3: into the og annob tipp.
39:53
Speaker 6: In correct, absolutely and Elson.
39:55
Speaker 7: The next part about that was when they call time
39:57
Speaker 7: out the Knickerbockers. All right, So dispersed with the right
40:01
Speaker 7: thing that Jalen Brunson is a tremendous clutch player. This
40:07
Speaker 7: year and as far as regular season, the clutch player
40:10
Speaker 7: went to Shajos Alexander. The year before twenty twenty five,
40:14
Speaker 7: it was Jellen Brunson.
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Speaker 6: All right.
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Speaker 7: So now just think about this dynamics right now, and
40:18
Speaker 7: this is not like a hindsight after the fact, I
40:21
Speaker 7: was talking about this to myself during the game. During
40:24
Speaker 7: the last play of the game defensively was that you
40:28
Speaker 7: do not waste Victor Rambiamba on outsides. In other words,
40:32
Speaker 7: they had a shadow trap on Jealen Brunson. So the
40:35
Speaker 7: ball came in and was being guarded by Darren Fox
40:38
Speaker 7: beating Brunson and Victor, who wasn't guarding the inbound passer.
40:43
Speaker 7: He went to that double team we called shadow shadow
40:47
Speaker 7: trap and he switched on it, and now he was
40:50
Speaker 7: the primary defender on Brunson's long missed high arcing three. Fox,
40:57
Speaker 7: who was guarding initially Jealen Brunson, once they made that.
41:02
Speaker 7: We call it peel out where now it's the victor
41:05
Speaker 7: guarding it is that he should have got back into
41:07
Speaker 7: play and came into the panded area and put a
41:10
Speaker 7: body on the inbound passer, which was.
41:16
Speaker 6: Og and Andobi. Andnobi made a great play.
41:19
Speaker 7: He went right, perfect timing, free run to the basket,
41:23
Speaker 7: and he made an unbelievable tip shot that will go
41:26
Speaker 7: down as far as one of the most important tip
41:28
Speaker 7: shots in the history of the game, as far as
41:30
Speaker 7: the magnitude of it. Yeah, that Dyla haffe was everyone
41:34
Speaker 7: was watching the ball. I'm saying that Victor should be
41:37
Speaker 7: in the lane right now. It should be should have
41:39
Speaker 7: been Victor in the lane because you know what happened.
41:42
Speaker 7: That will never happen right now. If Remba was in
41:44
Speaker 7: the lane.
41:45
Speaker 1: For sure, he just takes up too much range in
41:48
Speaker 1: the like you going through him.
41:50
Speaker 6: That's exactly right.
41:52
Speaker 7: And so they again the Spurs mistake was if you
41:56
Speaker 7: want to shadow great shadow trap. It was in the chap.
42:00
Speaker 7: It was more of a double team. Don't switch on again,
42:03
Speaker 7: keep small on small and keep big on big in
42:06
Speaker 7: the lane. I'm simplifying it, but that's what happened. And
42:11
Speaker 7: and and lg Annobi, who's a tremendous two way player.
42:16
Speaker 7: He flew in there with a free run. Perfect timing.
42:19
Speaker 7: The world was absolutely him was perfect, and he was
42:22
Speaker 7: able to get that tip on it right now, and
42:25
Speaker 7: that's what absolutely critical on it and that less part
42:29
Speaker 7: of it.
42:29
Speaker 6: Even one put one point.
42:31
Speaker 7: So now the Spurs called time out with one point
42:33
Speaker 7: two seconds. Cassa got a good look and the defense
42:37
Speaker 7: gotta got a tip ball on it and that helped tremendously.
42:41
Speaker 7: So it was really it was a It was a
42:44
Speaker 7: perfect world for the nickup Bockers, and it was devastating.
42:47
Speaker 7: It was an all time collapsed by the Spurs. And
42:50
Speaker 7: now they go back to Game five on Saturday night.
42:54
Speaker 7: We're going to see what what the Spurs are made
42:55
Speaker 7: out of.
42:57
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna stay on clock here, we'll take
42:59
Speaker 1: a break. Gordy's with us for the next forty five
43:02
Speaker 1: minutes or so. We're gonna do our best to get
43:05
Speaker 1: as much information as we can out of him evaluating
43:07
Speaker 1: this incredible game last night, and more importantly, especially for
43:11
Speaker 1: the Spurs, where the series goes from here. Gordia Chads
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Shan O'Connell Show. Gordia jays here
43:42
Speaker 1: in studio with us for reacting to an epic comeback
43:46
Speaker 1: by the New York Knicks to take Game four at
43:49
Speaker 1: the Garden.
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Speaker 2: They are up three to one in the series.
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Speaker 1: You can listen to Game five right here on your
43:54
Speaker 1: home with the NBA Finals ESPN seven hundred and ninety
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Speaker 1: two one FM. That game will be on on Saturday
44:01
Speaker 1: at five thirty pm.
44:03
Speaker 7: And Sean, you know if you played the song the
44:04
Speaker 7: intro right now was Crazy by Noels Barkley and the
44:08
Speaker 7: reason why I selected that James and I because last
44:10
Speaker 7: night was crazy.
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Speaker 2: It was absolutely crazy.
44:13
Speaker 6: And Sean, I said to my.
44:15
Speaker 7: I'm a New Yorker, so I have so many like
44:18
Speaker 7: bizarre nick fans texted me during the game. It was
44:21
Speaker 7: like outrageous, Like I spent more time trying to look
44:24
Speaker 7: at my text and watching the game, and it's part
44:27
Speaker 7: of it, not totally, but part of it all right.
44:29
Speaker 7: And so I said after the game, though, I said,
44:31
Speaker 7: does anybody we know owns a pizza joint by the Garden,
44:34
Speaker 7: because right now, after that love fest where the Nick
44:38
Speaker 7: fans left, the place that around the Garden that was say,
44:42
Speaker 7: they're just a two block radius that those pizza joints
44:46
Speaker 7: and restaurants and bars made one hundred thousand dollars in
44:49
Speaker 7: profit in the first hour. Sean one hundred thousand dollars
44:54
Speaker 7: in profit. Now, this is unscientific by yours truly, but
44:58
Speaker 7: that's what I'm saying. The pizza joint, they couldn't make
45:01
Speaker 7: enough pizza for the fans leaving.
45:03
Speaker 1: I can't imagine the bedlam on the you know, they
45:06
Speaker 1: had the watch party out on the Plaza Madison Square.
45:10
Speaker 2: That that part of Manhattan.
45:11
Speaker 1: It's absolutely bananas with foot traffic and all that stuff,
45:15
Speaker 1: no matter what. And I'm you know, I'm thinking of
45:18
Speaker 1: my own experiences there. The New Yorker Hotel right Kitty Corner,
45:22
Speaker 1: right across the.
45:22
Speaker 6: Street, right across the street street.
45:25
Speaker 3: The TikTok Diner down there in the lobby, absolutely open
45:29
Speaker 3: twenty four hours just a milkshake to celebrate. I mean,
45:34
Speaker 3: come on, it must have been incredible right there for
45:37
Speaker 3: all the New Yorkers, and not so much for any
45:39
Speaker 3: san Antonio fan. Also not great for Victor Winmbina, but
45:43
Speaker 3: he got an egg thrown at him as he was
45:45
Speaker 3: walking back into the hotel.
45:46
Speaker 1: Come on, New Yorkers, you got your win. You got
45:50
Speaker 1: the best comeback in NBA Finals history. You don't have
45:53
Speaker 1: to rub it in with throwing eggs.
45:56
Speaker 3: Series is far from over, and there there are people
46:00
Speaker 3: by the way, flying from New York to San Antonio
46:03
Speaker 3: for Saturday's game because they think that's where they're going
46:05
Speaker 3: to close it out. I think that we're going to
46:07
Speaker 3: get san Antonio win in Game five, but we'll get
46:11
Speaker 3: to more of that. I want to focus on, you know, okay,
46:14
Speaker 3: so ogn and ob being given a ton of credit
46:18
Speaker 3: for what he did in that entire game. The epic
46:21
Speaker 3: tip in on a Jalen Brunson miss to give the
46:25
Speaker 3: Knicks the lead with one point two seconds, and then
46:28
Speaker 3: san Antonio's got an inbound play.
46:31
Speaker 2: They've got one point two seconds.
46:33
Speaker 3: Now it's it's not exactly enough time to get the
46:37
Speaker 3: perfect shot or the exact set that you're looking for Gordy,
46:41
Speaker 3: but what ended up happening was kind of a lobbed
46:45
Speaker 3: inbound that was never truly handled, never truly possessed, and
46:48
Speaker 3: then they ran out of time. Would what were your
46:51
Speaker 3: thoughts on that inbound play in that final sequence for
46:55
Speaker 3: San Antonio, because one point two seconds is enough time
46:58
Speaker 3: to get a shot to win very much.
47:00
Speaker 7: Yeah, with one point two seconds, the decision is you
47:03
Speaker 7: have to you can catch it and gather yourself. So
47:07
Speaker 7: Stephan Castle with the guy and uh he's rugged. No,
47:10
Speaker 7: they ran, they ran the screening action.
47:12
Speaker 6: Uh, the NIXT.
47:13
Speaker 7: To their credit, they kept Big on Big you know,
47:16
Speaker 7: if they didn't they didn't switch with Wemby, so they
47:18
Speaker 7: kept Canthony Towns, I mean Mitchell Robinson on on Wemby.
47:25
Speaker 7: And so Castle got the ball. It was a bang
47:28
Speaker 7: bang play almost went in. It almost went in, almost
47:33
Speaker 7: and it missed and uh, now it's a game game
47:37
Speaker 7: five in in uh in San Antonio. So in a
47:42
Speaker 7: game like this, Sean, there's so much you have to
47:44
Speaker 7: be able to score through physicality. And that's what the
47:47
Speaker 7: Knicks did to come back on it. And Castle the
47:49
Speaker 7: less play. I tried to do it. We just couldn't
47:52
Speaker 7: finish it.
47:52
Speaker 3: Are you are you cool with that being the play
47:54
Speaker 3: with that Stefan, I mean he's twenty one years old,
47:56
Speaker 3: he's a great player, but that that he's the guy
47:59
Speaker 3: you go to. The obvious thing is like you're going
48:01
Speaker 3: to try to get the ball into Wemby. New York
48:03
Speaker 3: knows that. That's why they stayed big on big, big
48:05
Speaker 3: on pick as you mentioned.
48:06
Speaker 1: But is is that you know as you're as you're
48:11
Speaker 1: trying to figure that out in real time, when you
48:13
Speaker 1: have just a scant few seconds to try to draw
48:16
Speaker 1: this thing up and try to tell your guys what
48:18
Speaker 1: to run and what to do. Are you are you
48:22
Speaker 1: going back to the film session if you're san Antonio,
48:24
Speaker 1: if you're someone on that staff, if you're someone on
48:26
Speaker 1: that roster, and you're going, yeah, that's we got it.
48:29
Speaker 1: That was that was the right play for us to
48:30
Speaker 1: call there. It just didn't work out. Yeah, it was
48:32
Speaker 1: the right play. Good Also, they got the ball to
48:34
Speaker 1: a good foul shooter. Were just say they did foul
48:37
Speaker 1: hypothetically on either the catch or on this shot. Is
48:41
Speaker 1: that Castle made two clutch three posts with nine point
48:44
Speaker 1: seven second seconds left, And now.
48:46
Speaker 6: That so and he's rugged.
48:49
Speaker 7: Also unfortunately that split second he just didn't finish, and
48:53
Speaker 7: that that made it into a into now a game five.
48:58
Speaker 7: Now you look at this staring got three to one,
49:00
Speaker 7: and let's get back to uh let's go forward for
49:02
Speaker 7: a second. So game five in San Antonio, you expect
49:06
Speaker 7: the Spurs to win, you mentioned a few seconds ago,
49:08
Speaker 7: and so do I, and that that it's possible still
49:14
Speaker 7: that it comes to game six in the Garden. The
49:18
Speaker 7: most recent time a team that was down three to
49:20
Speaker 7: one over came it was the twenty twenty one Bucks
49:24
Speaker 7: versus the Suns, and also the twenty sixteen Cavaliers over
49:28
Speaker 7: the Warriors, where the epic comeback led by Victor Letscreed,
49:32
Speaker 7: led by your Lebron James, and also by Matthew Delladover
49:36
Speaker 7: showing the last time we mentioned matthe Delldover talking about
49:39
Speaker 7: that Saint Mary's Gales of uh Bgana, Pa, California.
49:43
Speaker 6: But that was that was it.
49:44
Speaker 7: Remember Matt Deldover played great, and that's in the end
49:48
Speaker 7: in game seven, and also so and so did Kyrie
49:51
Speaker 7: and so did Lebron James. And that's how long ago
49:54
Speaker 7: it was. It was twenty sixteen so it does happen,
49:59
Speaker 7: but not that often. There's only been five times in
50:01
Speaker 7: the history of the NBA Finals that a team has
50:04
Speaker 7: come back from three to one to be champions.
50:08
Speaker 1: So focusing on that, and because you brought up Matthew Delavadova,
50:11
Speaker 1: so let's say that san Antonio will start with game
50:15
Speaker 1: game five. All Right, you've got victim women Yama, who's
50:20
Speaker 1: got to play well, You've got your your sort of
50:24
Speaker 1: cast of characters that you rely on consistently every game.
50:28
Speaker 1: Who is the role player, who's the equivalent of a
50:30
Speaker 1: Matthew Delavadova that's going to have to step up before
50:33
Speaker 1: this San Antonio Spurs team be a difference maker, maybe
50:36
Speaker 1: an unexpected difference maker, in order to allow them to
50:39
Speaker 1: have hope for a three to one comeback.
50:42
Speaker 7: Keldon Johnson, he was a sixth Man of the Year
50:44
Speaker 7: voted and he's been invisible in the whole series. Yeah,
50:48
Speaker 7: and so we have to get himself going and no worries.
50:51
Speaker 7: When you're a specialist as far as a shooter, they're
50:54
Speaker 7: not going to leave you, all right. So the way
50:56
Speaker 7: you try to get points for yourself until the rhythm
50:59
Speaker 7: of the game is run the floor, offensive rebounds, stick back, hustle,
51:03
Speaker 7: plays a broken back, broken play baskets, and so Keldon
51:08
Speaker 7: Johnson has got to give them more. And last night's game,
51:15
Speaker 7: it was last night's game was the illustration of it
51:18
Speaker 7: where he was invisible. And that's why it's so important
51:21
Speaker 7: that your role players absolutely play play well. So in
51:26
Speaker 7: the nickelback upon of view, last night it was a
51:29
Speaker 7: Jose Alvarado. He played great for the Knicks. He gave
51:32
Speaker 7: them a big lift and that helped them as far
51:34
Speaker 7: as them and them as far as to come back.
51:36
Speaker 7: And that allowed Jillen Brunson to play sometimes off the ball,
51:40
Speaker 7: almost like as a two guard, and took away some
51:43
Speaker 7: of the mental health break that you need as far
51:46
Speaker 7: as the score. So in game five in San Antonio,
51:50
Speaker 7: it's got to be it's got to be Kelvin Kelvin Johnson,
51:54
Speaker 7: and also it could be also could be also Julius Champetni.
51:58
Speaker 7: They need those guys to score baskets. And if a
52:01
Speaker 7: one lane player would be Luke Cornett, and that's where
52:04
Speaker 7: those guys got to come alive for themselves, get themselves
52:07
Speaker 7: going matter Victor Wen beyond. But let's not forget it's
52:10
Speaker 7: so hard he's twenty two years old, and he played
52:14
Speaker 7: forty four minutes last night and he had a hard
52:17
Speaker 7: time finishing. He shot nine for twenty five. But the
52:20
Speaker 7: worst part about it he was two for eight from threes.
52:23
Speaker 7: But it's one he took them. So now you've got
52:25
Speaker 7: to erase it. When you're a winning player like wein
52:29
Speaker 7: beyonda Is, you've got to play forward now. So even
52:32
Speaker 7: though this collapse, if I, as a matter of fact,
52:34
Speaker 7: right now, if I am a Mitch Johnson, I'm not
52:37
Speaker 7: even showing the team the film.
52:39
Speaker 6: Really, I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm not.
52:42
Speaker 7: They heard about it already so many times already from
52:44
Speaker 7: everyone else around them that I'm not showing them the film.
52:47
Speaker 6: And then I'm going, I'm getting I'm gonna show them
52:50
Speaker 6: why they're up.
52:50
Speaker 7: If I do show them the film, it's why they're
52:52
Speaker 7: up in the first half, why they're up now, versus
52:55
Speaker 7: why how they lost it.
52:56
Speaker 6: So from the mental part of it, so important.
52:59
Speaker 1: The player, right, Your point is, well, mate, these guys
53:02
Speaker 1: know exactly what they did wrong. They're gonna be second
53:04
Speaker 1: guessing for the rest of their lives. You know, dearon
53:08
Speaker 1: Fox is gonna have a hard time putting that out
53:09
Speaker 1: of his mind. And Victor Winminyava, like I said, is
53:12
Speaker 1: gonna have nightmares about those two miss free throws down
53:15
Speaker 1: the stretch. For Mitch Johnson, he didn't look overly composed
53:19
Speaker 1: as that lead was evaporating either. And he's he's a
53:22
Speaker 1: young coach that has a lot to learn, even though
53:25
Speaker 1: he knows more basketball than I ever will. Uh. You
53:29
Speaker 1: let the players keep the film out, put it out
53:32
Speaker 1: of their mind, move forward.
53:34
Speaker 2: As a coach, how much can you do that?
53:36
Speaker 7: Uh?
53:37
Speaker 2: The coaching staff they got to watch the film. They've
53:39
Speaker 2: got all.
53:40
Speaker 1: Sorry, but as a coach, you know, we always emphasize
53:43
Speaker 1: this with players, Gordon, just like, oh, you gotta have
53:44
Speaker 1: a short memory, you gotta forget what's the right way
53:48
Speaker 1: to be.
53:48
Speaker 7: As a coach, you never forget. No, But you don't
53:52
Speaker 7: dress the team though. Yeah, but in the meeting, no example,
53:56
Speaker 7: those guys watched that film, that painful film when they
53:59
Speaker 7: flew home to San Antonio. I'm assuming it was it
54:04
Speaker 7: was this morning. Is that they're watching that film and
54:07
Speaker 7: they are cringing thirty five thousand feet above sea level.
54:11
Speaker 7: They can't believe how what they did or what they
54:13
Speaker 7: didn't do what they didn't do very simply was that
54:16
Speaker 7: again you've got shot. There's that fine line between given
54:21
Speaker 7: the players freedom to shoot and being what arrogant about
54:25
Speaker 7: shot selection, and last night they crossed that line. The
54:29
Speaker 7: players did. So they're going to probably adjust slightly some
54:34
Speaker 7: of their play calling and situational thing as far as
54:38
Speaker 7: either dribble handoff action and get them more into a
54:43
Speaker 7: mid range game when you when you when the momentum
54:47
Speaker 7: is changing, you don't want to just keep firing three
54:50
Speaker 7: point shots. You want to get the ball to the
54:54
Speaker 7: players in rhythm at the best chance of getting a
54:58
Speaker 7: made basket or a foul, a two shot foul. And
55:02
Speaker 7: that's why it's so important. That fine line of showing
55:05
Speaker 7: confidence but not being momentum changes everything. And next to
55:10
Speaker 7: their credit, they just chipped away at it.
55:12
Speaker 6: Sean.
55:13
Speaker 7: It wasn't one thing they did. It was a whole
55:15
Speaker 7: bunch of things they did consistently in the fourth quarter
55:18
Speaker 7: and there was a total collapse by the Spurs. And
55:22
Speaker 7: I'm saying to get mentally move on from if you're
55:25
Speaker 7: a player and get ready on Saturday night where you're
55:28
Speaker 7: gonna you're gonna finish the game.
55:31
Speaker 1: All right, Because I've been obsessed with this for the
55:33
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. The get in price, James, I
55:35
Speaker 1: want James to guess. I want Gordy to guess a
55:39
Speaker 1: possible Game six at the Garden. You can buy tickets
55:42
Speaker 1: right now. Obviously, if the game doesn't happen, you'll be refunded.
55:46
Speaker 1: What do you think is the get in price the
55:48
Speaker 1: cheapest ticket available right now for San Antonio Spurs at
55:52
Speaker 1: New York Knicks NBA Finals Game six Madison Square Garden,
55:57
Speaker 1: a potential closeout game. The games you go first? What
56:01
Speaker 1: do you think the price? The minimum get in price
56:03
Speaker 1: for that game is ten thousand dollars. Okay, James says
56:08
Speaker 1: tenth that we're going price is right rules nine nine
56:12
Speaker 1: nine going price is right rules.
56:13
Speaker 3: Whoever's closest without going over gets a ticket.
56:18
Speaker 1: To Game six. That the Spence checkets is going to
56:21
Speaker 1: buy you a ticket. Okay, I'm going nine ninety nine.
56:24
Speaker 3: Okay, James says nine nine ninety nine dollars as the
56:28
Speaker 3: minimum get in price.
56:32
Speaker 2: Gordy, what say you show me?
56:34
Speaker 6: It's one question.
56:35
Speaker 7: I know the gardens as far as seating chart, you're
56:38
Speaker 7: talking about the blues the upper deck.
56:40
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the Yes, the deck way upper deck.
56:43
Speaker 2: This is the farthest.
56:44
Speaker 6: Called the Blues. They called the Blues.
56:45
Speaker 2: They're worse house. Okay, we're a seat in the house,
56:49
Speaker 2: but you're in the building.
56:50
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're in the building.
56:51
Speaker 2: It's by the way right now.
56:53
Speaker 1: It's Section four eighteen, which is uh, it's way up
56:59
Speaker 1: in the corner. Yeah, kind of behind the basket.
57:03
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm gonna say six thousand, six hundred and sixty
57:10
Speaker 7: six dollars.
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Speaker 3: Okay, James gets Spence has to buy James. It's twelve,
57:16
Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty eight dollars.
57:18
Speaker 2: No, wait, I thought ten was way too high.
57:20
Speaker 3: It's twelve grand plus including fees to get into Section
57:26
Speaker 3: four eighteen, row six up in the corner way back there,
57:32
Speaker 3: to get into the building for Game six. If you
57:36
Speaker 3: want to sit lower bowl. You're talking minimum price of
57:41
Speaker 3: twenty five grand.
57:42
Speaker 6: Sure.
57:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Spence is buying me tickets. That's the that's
57:45
Speaker 1: the price I should be. It should be clear Spence
57:48
Speaker 1: is not agreed to this, but he is. But I'm
57:50
Speaker 1: just going to put it out there on the show,
57:52
Speaker 1: and he's listening, and he can dispute. During crosstalk, Ifee
57:55
Speaker 1: so please, yeah he can if you know, speak now
57:57
Speaker 1: forever hold your piece. If you don't want to buy
57:59
Speaker 1: James Peterson your boss, if you don't want to buy
58:02
Speaker 1: him a trip to Madison Square Garden. By the way,
58:05
Speaker 1: the hotel rooms right now in New York City are
58:08
Speaker 1: about fifteen hundred bucks a night because you've got the
58:10
Speaker 1: World Cup happening nearby, and of course you've got NBA
58:14
Speaker 1: Finals going on, and just summertime in New York people
58:17
Speaker 1: taking their trips to see New York City, the kids
58:19
Speaker 1: are off school. You're paying a premium, as they like
58:23
Speaker 1: to say.
58:24
Speaker 7: Yeah very much, and the only have the time. It's
58:26
Speaker 7: that expense. It would be during the United Nations Week.
58:29
Speaker 7: That's when the end of September, where every diplomat in
58:32
Speaker 7: the world is in Midtown Manhattan, and the prices go
58:36
Speaker 7: up to literally two thousand dollars a night on a
58:39
Speaker 7: cheap side, and half in New York is blocked out off.
58:42
Speaker 7: Cheets are blocked off because of their security is so
58:44
Speaker 7: tight of bull of diplomats. So that's unit I always
58:47
Speaker 7: tell the people never go to New York City United
58:50
Speaker 7: Nations Week. Usually most times it's an end of September
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Speaker 7: usually speaking.
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Speaker 3: If you're looking to take out a mortgage on your house,
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Speaker 3: the second mortgage to try to pay for some some
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Speaker 3: front row, some section five D row a about two
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Speaker 3: hundred grand apiece.
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Speaker 6: So so Sean, you.
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Speaker 1: Want to be close to the action. You want to
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Speaker 1: be rubbing elbows with Larry David and Adam Sandler and company.
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Speaker 2: You know, a pair of tickets will cost you four
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Speaker 2: hundred grand or so.
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Speaker 7: But the problem with this whole thing is that, even
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Speaker 7: though we're making light of it, is that it takes
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Speaker 7: away so much of the fans, you know, as far
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Speaker 7: as they can't afford the games. We were it's that
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Speaker 7: fine line where what is the price point? Where people say,
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Speaker 7: are you kidding me?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking about this with the with the World.
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Speaker 1: Cup as well, very much absolutely, And you know, I'll
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Speaker 1: look up during the break, I'll look up the get
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Speaker 1: in price for the World Cup starts today. Yes, Mexico
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Speaker 1: is playing a game in Mexico, So like, I don't
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Speaker 1: know what the get in price, But is it accessible
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Speaker 1: to the average sports fan in New York, New York?
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Speaker 3: Is you know this way better than I ever will go?
1:00:00
Speaker 3: Your rent is already six grand a month for your
1:00:03
Speaker 3: one bedroom, two bedroom apartment. Right, everything costs so much money,
1:00:08
Speaker 3: Like groceries are more expensive. You probably don't have a car,
1:00:11
Speaker 3: but if you do, you got to pay to park it, insurance,
1:00:14
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. I mean, it's already prohibitively
1:00:18
Speaker 3: expensive just to live there, and then to be a
1:00:21
Speaker 3: New Yorker, who's let's be honest, most Knicks fans are
1:00:24
Speaker 3: New Yorkers. And then to try to get to this game,
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Speaker 3: a potential closeout game, you kind of gotta be ridiculous
1:00:32
Speaker 3: with your spending here, and that's or you just can't
1:00:34
Speaker 3: do it. So it's tough. All right, we will, we'll
1:00:40
Speaker 3: have a lot more to talk about. The NBA Draft
1:00:43
Speaker 3: is coming. We're less than two weeks away. Now, there's
1:00:46
Speaker 3: some more conversations, some more rumor that Cam Boozer might
1:00:50
Speaker 3: be flirting up with that top one or two selection
1:00:53
Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz obviously sitting at number two. I think
1:00:57
Speaker 3: I think his agents are doing just a really good
1:00:59
Speaker 3: job right now of putting his name in a conversation
1:01:03
Speaker 3: that he doesn't actually belong in.
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Speaker 1: But we'll get Gordy Jays's thoughts on it here. In
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Speaker 5: As you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show for
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Speaker 1: It's an everything else a treat. Yeah, I hope you're
1:02:22
Speaker 1: enjoying this.
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Speaker 7: Film last night, And that was based on a mention
1:02:30
Speaker 7: of a lifetime by cold Play because last night's game
1:02:34
Speaker 7: was a lifetime adventure.
1:02:35
Speaker 2: Unbelievable game.
1:02:37
Speaker 3: Last night, New York Knicks take a three to one
1:02:39
Speaker 3: series advantage. San Antonio goes back to their home arena
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Speaker 3: on Saturday. We'll have that game for you right here
1:02:46
Speaker 3: on ESPN seven and ninety two one FM. It's not
1:02:48
Speaker 3: the only thing happening in the NBA world. We're a
1:02:50
Speaker 3: couple of weeks away less than that now from the
1:02:53
Speaker 3: upcoming NBA draft. H And to wet our whistle on
1:02:57
Speaker 3: some uh some draft trivia, Gordon, you've got. This is
1:03:00
Speaker 3: not the official list of the day, but this is
1:03:03
Speaker 3: a list of the top Utah basketball draft picks.
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Speaker 6: That's correct.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we did last week BYU because aj Debonso is
1:03:13
Speaker 7: going to be number one in the draft and shows
1:03:15
Speaker 7: alluding to before about about all the agents doing a
1:03:18
Speaker 7: lot of talking. It's all part of the gamanship by
1:03:21
Speaker 7: the agents. This list, this is a short list today
1:03:23
Speaker 7: as far as his segment give us Utah players selected
1:03:28
Speaker 7: in the top ten of the NBA draft, just the
1:03:31
Speaker 7: top ten, as far as where you're selected, as far
1:03:34
Speaker 7: as one through ten, it's really a short list, and
1:03:37
Speaker 7: it's a history of Utah Utes basketball and hopefully for
1:03:41
Speaker 7: the Utes they can get a player in this list
1:03:44
Speaker 7: very very shortly, A right long time ago. Nineteen forty
1:03:48
Speaker 7: nine Vern Gardner was picked number six in the draft.
1:03:51
Speaker 7: He had a three year NBA career. Billieve the Haill McGill,
1:03:55
Speaker 7: who is a tremendous player nineteen sixty two was the
1:03:59
Speaker 7: first pick in theft. Had a five year NBA Korea
1:04:02
Speaker 7: and I remember Billy McGill when he played was that
1:04:05
Speaker 7: he had a legendary fifteen foot running hook shot from
1:04:08
Speaker 7: the middle of the floor. It was legendary. Number eight.
1:04:11
Speaker 7: Jerry Chambers in nineteen sixty six was the seventh picket
1:04:15
Speaker 7: the draft. He had a six year NBA abakoreer. Number seven.
1:04:21
Speaker 7: Mike Sojourner nineteen seventy four was the tenth picket the draft.
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Speaker 7: Had a three year NBA career Number six. We all
1:04:29
Speaker 7: know him. He played for the Jazz. I coached him
1:04:31
Speaker 7: with the Jazz from nineteen ninety three to nineteen ninety five.
1:04:35
Speaker 7: Tom Chambers in nineteen eighty one was the eighth Pica
1:04:38
Speaker 7: the draft. He had a sixteen year NBA koreer, four
1:04:42
Speaker 7: time All Star. His teammate of the same year, Danny Varines,
1:04:47
Speaker 7: the pride of Skyline High School in nineteen eighty one,
1:04:50
Speaker 7: was the fifth picke of the draft that year had
1:04:52
Speaker 7: a seventy year Korea number four nineteen ninety seven, the
1:04:58
Speaker 7: second pick of the draft. Pete van Horn had a
1:05:01
Speaker 7: nine year NBA Korea number three. One of the most
1:05:05
Speaker 7: underrated players in the history of NBA basketball, he was
1:05:09
Speaker 7: beloved by every Utes fan. He had this unbelievable winning game. Yes,
1:05:13
Speaker 7: I'm talking about Andre Miller in nineteen ninety nine was
1:05:18
Speaker 7: the eighth picket the draft. He had a brilliant seventeen
1:05:21
Speaker 7: year seventeen year Korea. As we speak right now, he's
1:05:25
Speaker 7: the thirteenth all time leader and assist history of NBA
1:05:29
Speaker 7: basketball with eighty five twenty four dimes. Number two for
1:05:36
Speaker 7: the utah Utes. Andrew Bogan in two thousand and five
1:05:42
Speaker 7: was the first pick of the draft who had a
1:05:45
Speaker 7: tremendous fourteen year Korea, including a championship with the Golden
1:05:51
Speaker 7: State Warriors back in two thousand and fifteen. And the
1:05:54
Speaker 7: most recent utah Utes picked in the top ten was
1:05:59
Speaker 7: ten years ago in twenty sixteen was Jaku Pertl who's
1:06:04
Speaker 7: from Austria. He was a ninth pick in the draft.
1:06:07
Speaker 7: He's had as we speak right now, he plays for
1:06:09
Speaker 7: the Toronto Raptors. He's had a ten year career. So
1:06:13
Speaker 7: Seawan back in two thousand and five, utes had a
1:06:16
Speaker 7: Bill get picked in the first pick of the draft
1:06:19
Speaker 7: in the NBA.
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Speaker 6: Who's pick number one in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: Draft, Well, Alex Smith was number one to the San
1:06:25
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers, and it's the only time in
1:06:28
Speaker 1: history that the same school has produced number one in
1:06:31
Speaker 1: both drafts.
1:06:31
Speaker 7: That is absolutely correct, and that's add to that. Also,
1:06:34
Speaker 7: remember Sewan because you're a four and nine a fan
1:06:37
Speaker 7: and so am I that the first year with Alex
1:06:40
Speaker 7: Smith he struggled as a rookie because the injuries, et cetera.
1:06:43
Speaker 7: The next year they had new coordinator, Norm Turner, and
1:06:47
Speaker 7: he won. He balled out, which shows you that again
1:06:50
Speaker 7: the power of coaching, and especially in football even in basketball,
1:06:55
Speaker 7: who's the offensive coordinator is so much if your system
1:06:59
Speaker 7: player have a playa.
1:07:00
Speaker 1: Also at that point that the record has since been broken,
1:07:03
Speaker 1: but that Alex Smith's rookie year, he was sacked more
1:07:06
Speaker 1: than any quarterback had ever been sacked in a single season.
1:07:10
Speaker 1: And then I think it was David Carr that ended
1:07:13
Speaker 1: up taking that record from him. But yeah, it was
1:07:16
Speaker 1: not an ideal start to Alex Smith's NFL career with
1:07:19
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers. Eventually he did really
1:07:22
Speaker 1: great things with the Niners. I will forever die on
1:07:25
Speaker 1: the hill that the Niners should not have replaced Alex
1:07:28
Speaker 1: Smith with Colin Kaepernick, but they were enamored with Kaepernick's
1:07:32
Speaker 1: ability to move the ball with his legs, and obviously
1:07:36
Speaker 1: we know how all that ended up working out, really
1:07:38
Speaker 1: for both guys. Alex Smith goes on to an incredible
1:07:42
Speaker 1: career with the Kansas City Chiefs and with the Redskins
1:07:47
Speaker 1: Slash Commanders, and obviously was the comeback player of the
1:07:50
Speaker 1: year after that gruesome leg injury and a great story
1:07:55
Speaker 1: on how his wife made the decision. Well, he was
1:07:58
Speaker 1: completely unconscious, tells his wife made the decision to save
1:08:02
Speaker 1: his leg and to make sure that he still had
1:08:04
Speaker 1: an opportunity to play. And now, by the way, Alex
1:08:07
Speaker 1: is an unbelievable analyst on the desk, So good stuff.
1:08:11
Speaker 7: It just shows you again the power of perseverance. And
1:08:16
Speaker 7: that's whether a Alex Smith's career with the NFL or
1:08:19
Speaker 7: many other players. And for the listeners right now, the
1:08:23
Speaker 7: draft's gonna be on June twenty third, and right now,
1:08:26
Speaker 7: a lot of people especially the agents. They're doing all
1:08:29
Speaker 7: the talking on social media. If you notice, the team's
1:08:32
Speaker 7: never talk because you can't buy the rules, so the
1:08:34
Speaker 7: teams never say who they're gonna draft. They do have
1:08:38
Speaker 7: a pressure release saying that they're working out so and so,
1:08:41
Speaker 7: and every team works out a whole bunch of players
1:08:43
Speaker 7: for the second round and also for the sumber League
1:08:47
Speaker 7: team and made possibly on two way contracts. And to
1:08:50
Speaker 7: where I see the draft right now, it's gonna be
1:08:53
Speaker 7: a tremendous for the Jazz. It's gonna be I think
1:08:58
Speaker 7: it's gonna be number one aj Deboncer, number one, number
1:09:03
Speaker 7: two Darren Peterson, number three Cam Boozer, and number four
1:09:09
Speaker 7: Caleb Wilson. That's why I believe, and it all makes
1:09:12
Speaker 7: I think it makes sense for every team as far
1:09:14
Speaker 7: as getting a major, unbelievable talented guy, but also to fit.
1:09:19
Speaker 7: So this could be a draft where the pieces do
1:09:22
Speaker 7: fit as far as the top hay be part of it.
1:09:25
Speaker 1: How much information has gleaned from these workouts, these invitations,
1:09:29
Speaker 1: guys coming in and doing things in front of the
1:09:32
Speaker 1: coaching staff personally, because you know the Utah Jazz, it
1:09:36
Speaker 1: seems like they're they're probably pretty set on where they're
1:09:39
Speaker 1: gonna pick with that number two spot already, but they're
1:09:41
Speaker 1: bringing in guys and they're working out different guys, so
1:09:45
Speaker 1: I know it. You know, you go through these motions
1:09:46
Speaker 1: and you're establishing relationships for later on and all these
1:09:50
Speaker 1: different reasons. But how much information do you get out
1:09:53
Speaker 1: of these final workouts that players are doing in front
1:09:56
Speaker 1: of teams.
1:09:59
Speaker 7: Just partially where it's where the coaching staff who watch
1:10:02
Speaker 7: these guys play many times as far as not live
1:10:06
Speaker 7: but on film, they're getting a chance to talk to
1:10:08
Speaker 7: the one on one and I call kick the tires
1:10:11
Speaker 7: where in some of the shooting drills they'll see the
1:10:14
Speaker 7: guys form, but the scouts are the ones that the side.
1:10:18
Speaker 7: Basically absolutely they've seen these guys play on the personal
1:10:21
Speaker 7: side so many times before live and so when you
1:10:26
Speaker 7: work guys out, it's more for possibly during the draft,
1:10:31
Speaker 7: if suddenly someone comes available and there's a trade opportunity,
1:10:36
Speaker 7: they might trade a future pick because they like so
1:10:39
Speaker 7: and so in the draft, and they protect themselves where
1:10:44
Speaker 7: we ready work them out and we do like them
1:10:46
Speaker 7: in the second round or late first round and jazz
1:10:49
Speaker 7: basketball as we speak right now, and that could change
1:10:52
Speaker 7: the draft is absolutely fluid. Is that the Jazz are
1:10:55
Speaker 7: picking number two and doing of any other picks as
1:10:58
Speaker 7: we speak right now in the second round, and that
1:11:00
Speaker 7: could absolutely change. Now, how do you buy into the
1:11:03
Speaker 7: second round even the first round? Roughly speaking, it costs
1:11:07
Speaker 7: two to three million dollars for the privilege to buy
1:11:10
Speaker 7: a pick in the second round, and to buy a
1:11:13
Speaker 7: draft slot in the first round. It costs roughly three
1:11:19
Speaker 7: to five million dollars to buy in and some teams
1:11:23
Speaker 7: are willing to do that and some some teams don't
1:11:26
Speaker 7: want to pick more than one guy or the guy
1:11:29
Speaker 7: they wanted it was already taken, and now they're willing
1:11:32
Speaker 7: to get some assets as far as economically or future
1:11:37
Speaker 7: picks later on. So it's absolutely critical how you again
1:11:41
Speaker 7: on the draft board. They've all these players listed on
1:11:44
Speaker 7: the board, but they're also talking to teams about possibly trade.
1:11:48
Speaker 7: There's much more action the week before the draft. So
1:11:51
Speaker 7: suddenly that Monday morning of draft week, that's when everybody
1:11:55
Speaker 7: is getting serious sean about possibly would you be interested
1:11:59
Speaker 7: in trading a draft slot for our guy? Or even
1:12:03
Speaker 7: during the first round of the draft, they'll be They'll
1:12:05
Speaker 7: be trading during that time and they'll be announced in
1:12:09
Speaker 7: the second round.
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Speaker 1: How much do the players on the roster right now,
1:12:15
Speaker 1: like I know their input is I'm sure welcomed conversationally,
1:12:20
Speaker 1: but how much do they campaign for certain players? How
1:12:25
Speaker 1: much do players, you know, try to stick their nose
1:12:27
Speaker 1: in the business of the personnel department when you're talking
1:12:30
Speaker 1: about drafting, whether whether seriously or just saying like, hey,
1:12:33
Speaker 1: that's my guy, he went to my school, we need
1:12:35
Speaker 1: to draft him.
1:12:36
Speaker 2: How much of that goes on.
1:12:39
Speaker 6: Nominal?
1:12:40
Speaker 7: Yeah, nominal because they're not dealing objectively. They're viewing the
1:12:43
Speaker 7: world only through their friendship with the player. And also
1:12:46
Speaker 7: the agent's involved a lot of times, Hey, we're the
1:12:49
Speaker 7: exact same agent or agency, and that he's he's my guy, right,
1:12:54
Speaker 7: meaning he's we played together in college or au Bull
1:12:58
Speaker 7: or we play pickup games and sent him where we
1:13:00
Speaker 7: pick up games at Chelsea Pier in New York City,
1:13:03
Speaker 7: And that's all part of it. But it's really nominal.
1:13:06
Speaker 7: The people do this every single day. They they know
1:13:10
Speaker 7: they have an idea and the intel intel is a factor.
1:13:14
Speaker 7: So right now, would say with Darren Peterson, who's been
1:13:17
Speaker 7: missed some games with Candy missed eleven games during the
1:13:20
Speaker 7: season that the Jazz and all the other teams in
1:13:23
Speaker 7: the top part of the draft they did unbelievable intel
1:13:26
Speaker 7: about him. Of finding out what actually happened, they're calling
1:13:29
Speaker 7: everybody that knows the guy objectively of trying to get
1:13:33
Speaker 7: information and then put it together. Right now, it's a
1:13:35
Speaker 7: it's a it's being really being the show. It's being
1:13:39
Speaker 7: like a detective.
1:13:40
Speaker 2: Do coaches have contact with agents ever?
1:13:47
Speaker 7: Yes, However, the agents don't want to hear what the
1:13:50
Speaker 7: coaches say because the coaches their sole purpose is to win.
1:13:55
Speaker 7: The agent's sole purpose is what get their client the
1:13:58
Speaker 7: most money in the winning andronment. So there's two factors
1:14:01
Speaker 7: as far as not clashing. But they're not really meeting
1:14:05
Speaker 7: at a certain point. So the answer is, yes, they
1:14:08
Speaker 7: do talk to the agent pH nominally, but it's it
1:14:14
Speaker 7: doesn't affect totally what is happening that the people on
1:14:18
Speaker 7: the personal side, meaning management, they're talking to the agents
1:14:21
Speaker 7: all the time. And again, the agent's job is to
1:14:23
Speaker 7: get the player the most money in the best playing environment.
1:14:27
Speaker 7: The management's job is to give the head coach a
1:14:31
Speaker 7: chance with a winning roster, and then the coach this
1:14:34
Speaker 7: job is to one one win and two coaches guys up.
1:14:38
Speaker 7: So there's so many different dynamics. And the thing called
1:14:41
Speaker 7: what the salary cap and the first apron and second
1:14:44
Speaker 7: apron as far as the tax luxury affects everything. Also,
1:14:50
Speaker 7: as always, every coach wants the players get paid the
1:14:52
Speaker 7: most money that they deserve.
1:14:54
Speaker 6: But by the way, let's win.
1:14:57
Speaker 7: And that's that unbelievable invisible dialogue that goes on forever
1:15:01
Speaker 7: in every sport Sean, like any business you want to
1:15:04
Speaker 7: do is get banged for your book. I'm simplifying it,
1:15:07
Speaker 7: but that's what you want to do in any business.
1:15:09
Speaker 7: And that's what the NBA draft is. And also come
1:15:13
Speaker 7: July first, showing a thing called free agency, and that
1:15:17
Speaker 7: also is such a factor. Right now, Hey, how much
1:15:20
Speaker 7: did the Jazz play Walker Kestell Walker Kestle restricted free agent.
1:15:23
Speaker 7: He's good and he played five games last year. He's
1:15:26
Speaker 7: part of the future. The Jazz drafted him. He's homegrown.
1:15:29
Speaker 7: How much he gets paid, he wants to get paid
1:15:32
Speaker 7: minimum the SAX same contract, if not more than Yaco
1:15:36
Speaker 7: Portal mentioned earlier, who makes twenty seven point five million.
1:15:39
Speaker 7: And Isaiah Hartenstein, who did a good job against Victor
1:15:43
Speaker 7: wen Biyamba, when they the Spur. Excuse me, when the
1:15:47
Speaker 7: Thunder battle the Spurs. Hartenstein did a really good job
1:15:51
Speaker 7: as far as going body on body. He makes twenty
1:15:54
Speaker 7: five point twenty eight point five million. That's the that's
1:15:57
Speaker 7: what walker kest people are saying. That's the minimum of
1:16:00
Speaker 7: what we think are client's worth.
1:16:04
Speaker 2: Gordy, what's your list today?
1:16:05
Speaker 6: Okay?
1:16:06
Speaker 7: Last night, Sean jellen Brunson balls out thirty six points.
1:16:11
Speaker 7: This list today is a short list of the most
1:16:13
Speaker 7: career thirty plus point games in NBA Finals history Korea wise,
1:16:19
Speaker 7: who are the most thirty point thirty point plus games?
1:16:24
Speaker 7: Note his basket making fun foundations. One in playoff games,
1:16:29
Speaker 7: you've got to score through defensive physicality. Two, you've got
1:16:33
Speaker 7: to be a solo shot creator and finisher. Three in
1:16:37
Speaker 7: clutch moments, you convert, you convert with you your go
1:16:41
Speaker 7: to move in a game? What is your go to
1:16:44
Speaker 7: basket move in a game? In a playoff game? Four
1:16:47
Speaker 7: you've got exhibit being a tremendous foul shooter because you're
1:16:51
Speaker 7: gonna get fouled all the time and you're a star player.
1:16:53
Speaker 7: And five it sounds so simple and showing. This is
1:16:56
Speaker 7: what we talked about you and I and James. The
1:16:59
Speaker 7: last a few minutes, you've got to convert and make layups.
1:17:03
Speaker 7: The ability to make a layup in a playoff game
1:17:05
Speaker 7: is absolutely critical. Here we go. These four players are
1:17:10
Speaker 7: all tied with eight Korea thirty point final games. They
1:17:15
Speaker 7: are George Miken, Hakeem Olajuwan, John Halchek and Rick Barry
1:17:22
Speaker 7: did it eight times. Number tenth all time. Kevin Durant
1:17:26
Speaker 7: did it nine times in the NBA Finals thirty points
1:17:29
Speaker 7: some more. Number nine, Kobe Bryant did it thirteen times.
1:17:34
Speaker 7: Number seven tied. Bob Pettitt and Steph Curry did it
1:17:39
Speaker 7: fourteen times in the finals thirty points some more games.
1:17:43
Speaker 7: Number five all time tied. Speaking about signature moves and
1:17:49
Speaker 7: also finishing layups, they are Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Shaquille O'Neal.
1:17:55
Speaker 7: They did it sixteen times, thirty point games and more.
1:17:59
Speaker 7: Number four time. Elgend Bella did it nineteen times in
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Speaker 7: the NBA Finals. Number three he's a locomotive. He plays
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Speaker 7: for the LA Lakers. Lebron James scored thirty points some
1:18:12
Speaker 7: more in the final games twenty two times. Number two
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Speaker 7: Michael Jordan did it twenty three times thirty point games
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Speaker 7: and more, and the number one player of all time
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Speaker 7: for the most ever thirty point games in NBA Finals
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Speaker 7: history is Jerry West. He did thirty one times quickly
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Speaker 7: with in jazz basketball. Carl Malone did it three times
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Speaker 7: thirty point games for more in the NBA Finals back
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Speaker 7: in nineteen ninety seven and ninety eight. And just for
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Speaker 7: listening before you go off the air right now today,
1:18:45
Speaker 7: unfortunately or fortunately if you're a Bulls fan, if you're
1:18:48
Speaker 7: a Jazz fan or your former jazz coach like myself.
1:18:53
Speaker 7: Twenty nine years ago was the famous Michael Jordan flu game,
1:18:57
Speaker 7: allegedly sean a flu game. Well, Michael Jordan got a
1:19:01
Speaker 7: bad dose of pizza, et cetera who had the flu,
1:19:05
Speaker 7: but it didn't affect Michael Jordan because he played sensational.
1:19:09
Speaker 7: We also the graphic of it with Scottie Pippen's dragging
1:19:12
Speaker 7: out Michael Jordan as far as back into the hull
1:19:15
Speaker 7: and the flu game, Michael Jordan scored forty four excuse me,
1:19:19
Speaker 7: played forty four minutes. He scored thirty eight points, seven
1:19:23
Speaker 7: rebounds and five assists, three steals and one block, and
1:19:27
Speaker 7: the Jazz lost that game ninety to eighty eight in
1:19:31
Speaker 7: the famous Flu game that was nineteen ninety seven. So
1:19:37
Speaker 7: you have the flu, you have the flu your summer
1:19:41
Speaker 7: like Kevin Bacon seven degrees six year separation shown between
1:19:45
Speaker 7: Kevin Bacon, the guy's the flu right now and Michael Jordan.
1:19:51
Speaker 6: Thus that's my list of today.
1:19:53
Speaker 1: It's a bad anniversary for Utah Jazz fans. And it's
1:19:57
Speaker 1: the World Cup though, how about the World Cup? World
1:20:00
Speaker 1: Cup starts today Mexico, South Africa.
1:20:03
Speaker 2: The first game. By the way, I.
1:20:07
Speaker 3: Looked for tickets for the game which starts in half
1:20:12
Speaker 3: an hour on the secondary market. Now I'm gonna be
1:20:16
Speaker 3: incredibly impressed. And maybe in Mexico they've got, you know,
1:20:19
Speaker 3: a different website that they could go to or whatever.
1:20:22
Speaker 3: If you go to like seat geek, stub hub, any
1:20:25
Speaker 3: of those right now are traditional secondary markets. You cannot
1:20:29
Speaker 3: get tickets to this game. That impresses me.
1:20:33
Speaker 1: If there's truly no tickets available, because the people that
1:20:37
Speaker 1: bought the tickets, they're going, that's great because I mean
1:20:43
Speaker 1: we'll talk. We'll look on Saturday and there'll be some
1:20:47
Speaker 1: San Antonio final knicks finals get like at tip off time,
1:20:51
Speaker 1: someone's gonna be trying to offload their tickets for a profit.
1:20:53
Speaker 2: If they can't, they'll go.
1:20:55
Speaker 1: But it looks like there's actually truly no tickets available
1:21:00
Speaker 1: for this Mexico South Africa game. That's awesome because the
1:21:03
Speaker 1: Mexican fans are just going to show up at support
1:21:06
Speaker 1: at the game is in Mexico City. Do you have
1:21:10
Speaker 1: a pick for who's gonna win the World Cup? We're
1:21:12
Speaker 1: gonna do our picks here on the Seat O'Connell show,
1:21:15
Speaker 1: and it's relative. It's uninformed soccer, Okay, we're picking based
1:21:20
Speaker 1: on a vague awareness of them being good soccer nations
1:21:24
Speaker 1: and maybe a player or two that we're aware of.
1:21:27
Speaker 1: But Gordy, who's gonna win this World Cup?
1:21:30
Speaker 6: England?
1:21:31
Speaker 2: All right?
1:21:31
Speaker 7: Less Tidy one was nineteen sixty six, less ten day one.
1:21:35
Speaker 7: So English, I'm taking England showing beatles back in the sixties,
1:21:41
Speaker 7: you know, mini skirts showing back in the sixties in England.
1:21:45
Speaker 7: These are all things about it, and I'm taking England
1:21:48
Speaker 7: for the first time since nineteen sixty six.
1:21:52
Speaker 3: You know what the English say, what it's coming home.
1:21:55
Speaker 3: That's what they say about the World Cup. That's what
1:21:57
Speaker 3: they say about any coveted soccer ti trophy that they
1:22:01
Speaker 3: want to win. It's coming home, even though it hasn't
1:22:03
Speaker 3: come home for a lifetime for most of their soccer fans.
1:22:07
Speaker 1: That's the optimistic rallying cry for the English. It's coming home.
1:22:12
Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of English people on my social
1:22:14
Speaker 1: media because of the fight world and all of them.
1:22:17
Speaker 1: That's their thing right now. It's coming home. Gordy says
1:22:20
Speaker 1: he believes.
1:22:22
Speaker 6: I believe Sean's at home.
1:22:24
Speaker 2: Gordy, you're the man.
1:22:25
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in a what a great thing to
1:22:27
Speaker 1: have an hour with you today to recap that epic
1:22:29
Speaker 1: game last night at MSG.
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Speaker 6: Heanys sean peace out.
1:22:33
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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes has reworked his deal with the Kansas City Chiefs.
1:25:15
Speaker 3: He's now got five hundred million dollars come in his way.
1:25:18
Speaker 3: About five hundred and four million will become guaranteed through
1:25:24
Speaker 3: contract mechanisms. He can make up to five hundred and
1:25:29
Speaker 3: twenty two million through incentives and escalators. According to Adam
1:25:33
Speaker 3: Schefter and Ian Rapaport, so that is a half a
1:25:38
Speaker 3: billion dollars ladies and gentlemen.
1:25:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, first player kind of goes without saying first player
1:25:43
Speaker 1: in history to have a contract worth that much money.
1:25:48
Speaker 1: I copied that from the Adam Schefter article the via
1:25:54
Speaker 1: contract mechanisms becomes fully guaranteed. The article did not go
1:25:59
Speaker 1: on to say what mechanisms. So it's there's something that
1:26:03
Speaker 1: will make this five hundred and four million plus fully guaranteed.
1:26:10
Speaker 1: And then he gets he has about eighteen more million
1:26:13
Speaker 1: in incentives up for graphs for him. Can I give
1:26:18
Speaker 1: you a hot take here? Yeah, this is a bad contract.
1:26:21
Speaker 1: I kind of felt the same way as I read it.
1:26:25
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is a great quarterback. Patrick Mahomes is not
1:26:29
Speaker 1: getting better right now as a quarterback. He's not young enough,
1:26:33
Speaker 1: in my opinion, for you to be spending this kind
1:26:35
Speaker 1: of money on him for the next seven years. He'll
1:26:40
Speaker 1: be thirty seven at the expiration of this contract, which
1:26:45
Speaker 1: we've seen with quarterbacks, especially like you could play now
1:26:49
Speaker 1: into your forties at the quarterback position. Tom Brady did,
1:26:52
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, has Russell Wilson. I mean those guys that
1:26:56
Speaker 1: play into their forties. Patrick Mahomes' style is and has
1:27:00
Speaker 1: been pretty dependent on his athleticism is improvisational abilities, and
1:27:06
Speaker 1: his production in these last three years has not been
1:27:09
Speaker 1: all that spectacular. He has not thrown even thirty touchdown
1:27:13
Speaker 1: passes in the last three years. He's had fourteen eleven
1:27:16
Speaker 1: and eleven interceptions. And I get it right. You look
1:27:20
Speaker 1: at him and you say, well, that guy can do
1:27:22
Speaker 1: things that other people can't do.
1:27:24
Speaker 2: Sure, yes, great, five hundred million dollars.
1:27:29
Speaker 3: This is a hard cap league, right, and yeah, if
1:27:34
Speaker 3: you're gonna let him walk or you're not gonna pay
1:27:36
Speaker 3: him this, you have to find a better alternative.
1:27:38
Speaker 1: And that's where the Chiefs are. They're kind of stuck here.
1:27:42
Speaker 1: You can't not pay Patrick Mahomes what the league thinks
1:27:47
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is worth. But there's going to be a time,
1:27:52
Speaker 1: not yet, maybe two years from now, maybe five years
1:27:55
Speaker 1: from now, maybe one year from now, where people are
1:27:59
Speaker 1: gonna look at his cap number and they're gonna say, goodness, gracious,
1:28:04
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes does not justify this much money.
1:28:09
Speaker 2: Hot take here in the I what you.
1:28:13
Speaker 1: Were saying about his numbers declining over the last three years.
1:28:18
Speaker 1: They went to the Super Bowl two of those years,
1:28:19
Speaker 1: so we kind of just went we kind of just
1:28:21
Speaker 1: shrugged and went, well, I guess he's still the best
1:28:24
Speaker 1: in the league.
1:28:25
Speaker 2: But then last year they missed the playoffs.
1:28:27
Speaker 3: Well he he he's great, but he's coached by the
1:28:31
Speaker 3: best in the league. I mean, there's there's a lot
1:28:34
Speaker 3: more to it than just because like when you're when
1:28:38
Speaker 3: you're when you're throwing twenty two touchdowns and eleven interceptions,
1:28:42
Speaker 3: that's not that's not fifty million dollar a year quarterback
1:28:47
Speaker 3: play anymore.
1:28:48
Speaker 2: No, that's not spectacular.
1:28:50
Speaker 1: No anyway, Yeah, and I say, we all kind of
1:28:55
Speaker 1: just shrugged and went, well, I still I get I
1:28:56
Speaker 1: still guess he's the best, But like you say, he's
1:28:59
Speaker 1: coached by the in the league. He's had some of
1:29:01
Speaker 1: the best weapons in the league. Now that's not the case.
1:29:06
Speaker 1: I just wonder if this dip that we've seen the
1:29:10
Speaker 1: last few years from him individually is gonna be the
1:29:13
Speaker 1: norm for the next little bit, or if that's just Hey,
1:29:18
Speaker 1: he's adjusting the thing, adjusting to guys like Travis Kelsey
1:29:21
Speaker 1: getting older. They're gonna they've tried to reload here. He's
1:29:25
Speaker 1: gonna be back to the way he was before. I'm
1:29:27
Speaker 1: not so sure he will be though, so I kind
1:29:29
Speaker 1: of agree with you. Maybe this isn't gonna turn out
1:29:32
Speaker 1: so well long term. He was twelfth in the league
1:29:36
Speaker 1: in total yards last year as a quarterback. He was
1:29:40
Speaker 1: twenty third in quarterback rating last year average yards per completion,
1:29:48
Speaker 1: he was. Let me keep scrolling down until I can
1:29:51
Speaker 1: actually find his name, because that's how bad it was
1:29:54
Speaker 1: for Patrick Mahomes last year. Seventeen. I mean a lot
1:30:02
Speaker 1: of the big time metrics. He just wasn't necessarily top
1:30:09
Speaker 1: dog anymore. Seventeenth in touchdown passes, he was Let's see,
1:30:17
Speaker 1: there were how many guys that through fewer interception shardor
1:30:20
Speaker 1: Sanders through fewer interceptions than Patrick Mahomes did last year.
1:30:25
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to be on this like hate
1:30:28
Speaker 1: bandwagon for Patrick Mahomes, but he's just.
1:30:32
Speaker 2: Right. It's the NFL, like every other league, is a
1:30:36
Speaker 2: what have you done for me lately?
1:30:37
Speaker 1: League? And Patrick Mahomes lately has not been the Patrick
1:30:40
Speaker 1: Mahomes that made the Chiefs into what we consider the
1:30:44
Speaker 1: Chiefs to be. Yeah, and it finally matters because they
1:30:48
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs last year. It didn't matter so much
1:30:51
Speaker 1: the two years before that, when this dip started, statistical
1:30:54
Speaker 1: dips started to happen. Oh see, because they went to
1:30:56
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl they won one of those years, it
1:30:59
Speaker 1: matters now because they they missed the playoffs. We'll see
1:31:02
Speaker 1: how this plays out. Game five, the Stanley Cup final
1:31:05
Speaker 1: is tonight at six ESPN, seven hundred and ninety two
1:31:08
Speaker 1: one FM. The series is tied to two Carolina hosting
1:31:12
Speaker 1: Vegas in Raleigh. Just a reminder there, we talked about
1:31:16
Speaker 1: this with the French Open, that there was a potential
1:31:20
Speaker 1: boycott looming at the French Open. Top players in the
1:31:23
Speaker 1: world were not happy with the percentage of prize money
1:31:27
Speaker 1: being paid out and Wimbledon caught wind of this.
1:31:32
Speaker 2: Of course, these.
1:31:35
Speaker 1: These tournaments operate as kind of independent bodies when it
1:31:40
Speaker 1: comes to the top level of tennis, and the payout
1:31:44
Speaker 1: for the French Open was something like fifteen percent of
1:31:48
Speaker 1: the total revenue from the tournament was being paid out
1:31:51
Speaker 1: to players. Wimbledon paid attention to the protests and Wimbledon
1:31:58
Speaker 1: announced twenty percent in increases in total prize money for
1:32:02
Speaker 1: the singles champions. It'll be just under five million dollars
1:32:06
Speaker 1: each four point eight million dollars for the champions of
1:32:10
Speaker 1: this Grand Slam that is beginning next month. I'm very excited.
1:32:13
Speaker 1: I get to go to my first ever Wimbledon next month.
1:32:19
Speaker 1: Total prize money, which of course wimbledon't They also threw
1:32:25
Speaker 1: in player per diem is going to be eighty five
1:32:30
Speaker 1: point eight million dollars, the biggest, it's by far the
1:32:36
Speaker 1: biggest annually increase in the tournament's histories.
1:32:38
Speaker 2: All that's going to al Carez. He's not playing. Oh yeah,
1:32:43
Speaker 2: he's out, isn't he.
1:32:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all going to Center and and the and
1:32:46
Speaker 1: French Open now reigning French Open champ Alexander Spedev. Now
1:32:52
Speaker 1: that that's that's I guess between all the men's and
1:32:55
Speaker 1: women's competitors combined.
1:32:58
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's everybody, it's all. That's a lot of money.
1:33:04
Speaker 3: So I'm looking for the actual percentage of revenue that
1:33:10
Speaker 3: this represents, because this year I am contributing to that revenue.
1:33:14
Speaker 3: You have any strawberries and cream I'm gonna be eating
1:33:17
Speaker 3: at Wimbledon, James.
1:33:20
Speaker 1: That's the that's the big concession, right, strawberries and cream. Yeah,
1:33:26
Speaker 1: it's like that's the pimento cheese sandwich of Wimbledon. Yeah,
1:33:31
Speaker 1: the quick essential Wimbledon treat with fans consuming one point
1:33:36
Speaker 1: nine million strawberries during the tournament.
1:33:38
Speaker 2: Strawberries. And that's how you have to order it.
1:33:40
Speaker 1: By the way, talk your talk the regular way every time,
1:33:44
Speaker 1: every every other instance. But when you order your your dessert,
1:33:48
Speaker 1: say strawberries and cream. Yeah, can I get a hot dog?
1:33:52
Speaker 1: Can I get some fries and some strawberries and cream?
1:33:56
Speaker 2: Pip pip cheerio. And then just see how just see
1:34:00
Speaker 2: how big the eye roll is when you do that.
1:34:04
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is because of the Maybe you'll
1:34:06
Speaker 1: get to this point, James. I don't know if if
1:34:09
Speaker 1: you guys are into Bluey yet. In the household, I
1:34:13
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys watch blue It's a wonderful
1:34:15
Speaker 1: show because of Bluey. My kids say things like blueberries blueberries.
1:34:24
Speaker 1: Instead of blueberries blueberries, they say library because that's how
1:34:31
Speaker 1: the little dogs on Bluey say library. We have not
1:34:36
Speaker 1: we have not gotten into Bluey yet. I have heard plenty
1:34:38
Speaker 1: about it. Did not know so are they English? They're Australian.
1:34:43
Speaker 1: They're Australian, okay, didn't know the nationality there? Okay, which
1:34:47
Speaker 1: is you know similar accent blueberries? Blueberries A standard portion
1:34:53
Speaker 1: of strawberries and cream at Wimbledon is going to cost
1:34:57
Speaker 1: two pounds eighty five pence, So that's like five bucks
1:35:03
Speaker 1: for some strawberries and cream. I'll fork that over. That's
1:35:06
Speaker 1: it's actually a good price for a concession at a
1:35:09
Speaker 1: sports event.
1:35:11
Speaker 2: Five bucks do that.
1:35:13
Speaker 1: I know it's nothing to our Mountain menu items, but
1:35:17
Speaker 1: that's still pretty good.
1:35:19
Speaker 2: It's not bad, yeah, not bad.
1:35:22
Speaker 3: It's not Arthur blank generosity, but we're up there, Arthur Blank.
1:35:27
Speaker 2: Every time you say his name, you think you're swearing
1:35:29
Speaker 2: Arthur Blank.
1:35:32
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1:35:50
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1:35:53
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1:35:57
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1:36:00
Speaker 1: That's why we do neary group winners and then a
1:36:02
Speaker 1: champion and maybe we do a bonus. How far does
1:36:06
Speaker 1: US men's national team go?
1:36:07
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1:36:08
Speaker 3: The Shatt O'Connell Show with our picks, and then of
1:36:11
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1:36:43
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1:36:45
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Speaker 1: But right now, the World Cup picks coming from the
1:37:00
Speaker 1: shall Sean O'Connell show.
1:37:01
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you my pick. James is gonna give
1:37:03
Speaker 2: you his picks.
1:37:04
Speaker 1: We're gonna snake draft this thing basically, so I get
1:37:07
Speaker 1: to pick because because the boss I get the top
1:37:11
Speaker 1: pick you get. I'll let you have the top pick, boss,
1:37:14
Speaker 1: and then I'll get too in a row, and then
1:37:16
Speaker 1: you get two in a row and so forth.
1:37:17
Speaker 2: All right, okay, we'll do it that way. So we'll
1:37:20
Speaker 2: go through all the groups.
1:37:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then our champion picked for the actual champ
1:37:26
Speaker 1: and then how far how far we think the US
1:37:29
Speaker 1: men's the national team go, n let I mean if
1:37:31
Speaker 1: you unless you pick them to be the champion or
1:37:33
Speaker 1: right picked them to be the champion, and of course
1:37:35
Speaker 1: we know how far they can go.
1:37:36
Speaker 2: Okay, well, here we go Group A. We'll start with
1:37:39
Speaker 2: Group A.
1:37:39
Speaker 1: Of course that's Mexico hosts group host team in the
1:37:43
Speaker 1: group South Africa, South Korea, and check you. First pick
1:37:48
Speaker 1: goes to you, Sean O'Connell.
1:37:49
Speaker 3: All right, Well, my heart says South Africa because I've
1:37:51
Speaker 3: had so many wonderful experiences in that country. But I'm
1:37:56
Speaker 3: gonna go with South Korea, the Korea Republic, because I
1:38:00
Speaker 3: at least know of one great MLS player that is
1:38:04
Speaker 3: on that roster, and they played some friendlies down in
1:38:07
Speaker 3: Provo getting ready for this World Cup. So because of
1:38:11
Speaker 3: those very loose connections, I'm going Korea.
1:38:15
Speaker 2: I gotta go. Check youa.
1:38:16
Speaker 1: Those Eastern Europeans they're tough, and uh I know, I mean,
1:38:20
Speaker 1: I'm love my Eastern Europeans serve serve the the old
1:38:25
Speaker 1: mission in Hungary. That's checks. They don't mess with the checks.
1:38:29
Speaker 1: So I'm going check you.
1:38:31
Speaker 4: Uh.
1:38:31
Speaker 1: By the way, already grievance is being aired for people
1:38:35
Speaker 1: because neither of us picked Mexico their host nation, and
1:38:38
Speaker 1: host nations don't do all that.
1:38:39
Speaker 2: Well yeah, we everyone knows that.
1:38:41
Speaker 1: And also their formation the one two five, I'm not
1:38:45
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about that, all right, Group B,
1:38:48
Speaker 1: Group B. So that's I'll start off with Group B
1:38:53
Speaker 1: as we snake draft here. That's Canada, Bosnia Hertzegovina, Guitar Cutter,
1:39:00
Speaker 1: Switzerland my pick. I mean obviously Bosna Herzegovina. They're they
1:39:06
Speaker 1: they're our hosts team. They're training out in Harriman, that's right,
1:39:10
Speaker 1: a month or so or however long. So there are
1:39:13
Speaker 1: team here. And like I said, I'm not gonna go
1:39:16
Speaker 1: against those Eastern Europeans, that toughness that spread over there.
1:39:19
Speaker 1: All right. My wife's favorite place to visit on Earth
1:39:22
Speaker 1: is Switzerland. I'm going Switzerland, Okay, all right, So groups see, okay, uh,
1:39:28
Speaker 1: that's to you now, Brazil, Morocco, Haiti, Scotland.
1:39:32
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going Brazil just because Brazil usually is
1:39:37
Speaker 3: good at soccer, and Brazil cares so much about soccer,
1:39:40
Speaker 3: and it is a massive nation with an incredible amount
1:39:43
Speaker 3: of ethnic diversity that also allows for some really good
1:39:46
Speaker 3: athletes and multiple sports to emerge from there. Some of
1:39:49
Speaker 3: the greatest legends of the game ever are Brazilian. Brazil
1:39:53
Speaker 3: feels like even for a non soccer guy, it's a
1:39:56
Speaker 3: no brainer here.
1:39:57
Speaker 1: Overrated, overrated. When is the last time they did anything?
1:40:01
Speaker 1: World Cup? Every every time it's Brazil's turn, they're gonna win.
1:40:04
Speaker 1: They're gonna you know, in to quote the English people
1:40:08
Speaker 1: were there, gonna bring it home. No, they never do.
1:40:12
Speaker 1: Going with the Scots. They don't have an Eastern European
1:40:14
Speaker 1: team in this group, so Scotland. But Scotland, those Highlanders,
1:40:17
Speaker 1: they're tough and gritty, just like those guys. So I'm
1:40:20
Speaker 1: going with the Scots. Brazil literally won a World Cup
1:40:23
Speaker 1: in our lifetime. It was two thousand and two. Was
1:40:25
Speaker 1: the last time in Brazil bron Okay twenty four years ago? Okay,
1:40:29
Speaker 1: all right, okay, fine, you were still you were just
1:40:31
Speaker 1: getting out of high school.
1:40:32
Speaker 2: They last That was my graduating year of high school. Yes, okay,
1:40:36
Speaker 2: Group D, Group D. This is this is this is
1:40:41
Speaker 2: our group.
1:40:41
Speaker 1: This is Team USA, US men's national team USA, USA, USA, Paraguay,
1:40:46
Speaker 1: who their first game is against tomorrow, Australia and Turkey
1:40:50
Speaker 1: A the new way to say Turkey. Yeah, and I
1:40:53
Speaker 1: believe I believe it's you.
1:40:57
Speaker 2: No, I oh, you just did. I went first with Brazil.
1:41:02
Speaker 1: In Group C.
1:41:03
Speaker 2: Oh Group D.
1:41:04
Speaker 1: Sorry it is me, I am going with I'm going
1:41:10
Speaker 1: with Team USA, of course. I mean I am a patriot.
1:41:13
Speaker 1: Oh see, all right, and I'm breaking away from my
1:41:17
Speaker 1: Eastern European thing. I thought about Turkey for all those
1:41:20
Speaker 1: same reasons I picked check up.
1:41:22
Speaker 2: But okay, USA, USA, USA.
1:41:24
Speaker 1: All right. Now the rule is I can't pick the
1:41:28
Speaker 1: same team as James, even though we both want it
1:41:30
Speaker 1: to be Team USA. So my heart says Team USA obviously.
1:41:35
Speaker 1: And then I'm torn because Australia and again awesome place
1:41:39
Speaker 1: to visit, had a lot of fun every time I've
1:41:41
Speaker 1: been there, and my kids love blueye as we just
1:41:46
Speaker 1: covered they're from Australia.
1:41:49
Speaker 2: But the food in the.
1:41:52
Speaker 3: Turkish Airlines lounge at the Istanbul Airport is as good
1:41:57
Speaker 3: as you could possibly ever get.
1:42:01
Speaker 1: Doner kebabs and whatnot. Oh it's so good. They have
1:42:03
Speaker 1: a whole baklavav section. I mean, I love yeah, I
1:42:07
Speaker 1: love that lounge. It's not Greek food though, even though
1:42:09
Speaker 1: it's basically the same as Greek food. Yeah, it's all
1:42:12
Speaker 1: that Mediterranean cuisine is pretty much the same.
1:42:14
Speaker 2: So there's a bit of a rivalry there.
1:42:16
Speaker 3: And by the way, Turkey should be better than Australia,
1:42:19
Speaker 3: like in the actual soccer sense, they should be better.
1:42:22
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go Turkey, all right.
1:42:26
Speaker 1: Now. That moves us on to GROUPIE. This is your
1:42:29
Speaker 1: pick again, Germany, Kurasol, Ivory Coast and Ecuador.
1:42:34
Speaker 3: Okay, Germany is definitely the best team in this group.
1:42:40
Speaker 2: So even though.
1:42:41
Speaker 1: I would like to pick Ivory Coast because they almost
1:42:46
Speaker 1: have an Irish flag, I'm going Germany because I know
1:42:48
Speaker 1: that they're the best team here. That was my pick
1:42:52
Speaker 1: because you know, half of Germany used to be Eastern Europe. Anyway, Okay,
1:42:56
Speaker 1: we're going with Ecuador, all right, since you took Germany
1:42:59
Speaker 1: just because why not?
1:43:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not Equadorians? All right?
1:43:04
Speaker 1: That moves us to Group F. And that's my first
1:43:07
Speaker 1: pick on Group F. That's the Netherlands, which apparently the
1:43:11
Speaker 1: we say the it's just Netherlands.
1:43:13
Speaker 2: It's like Ukraine. A lot of people say the Ukraine anyway.
1:43:16
Speaker 1: Netherlands, Japan, Sweden, Tunisia, I am going with for this group.
1:43:24
Speaker 1: F I'm going with the Sweden. That's the farthest east.
1:43:27
Speaker 1: Oh wow, they're tough, they're tough people up. And I'm
1:43:29
Speaker 1: also Scandinavian heritage. Gotta go with the Gotta go with
1:43:33
Speaker 1: the vikings of the Swedes.
1:43:34
Speaker 2: Gotta do it.
1:43:35
Speaker 3: Then, I am going This is a pure uniforms pick
1:43:39
Speaker 3: because it irritates me, but it draws my attention that Netherlands.
1:43:46
Speaker 3: They speak Dutch, they're also called Holland, and their uniforms
1:43:53
Speaker 3: are orange instead of red, white or blue, which of
1:43:57
Speaker 3: course is the colors on their flag. It's always been
1:44:00
Speaker 3: something that I just don't understand yet. Netherlands is my
1:44:05
Speaker 3: pick for this group because they confuse me.
1:44:09
Speaker 1: But they're pretty good at sports. They're typically pretty good
1:44:12
Speaker 1: at soccer. So they're also the tallest. They're also the
1:44:15
Speaker 1: tallest nation on Earth. And they're also the best English
1:44:18
Speaker 1: speaking nation outside of England or the United States. Oh,
1:44:23
Speaker 1: I would have thought Denmark or something interesting.
1:44:26
Speaker 2: Netherlands.
1:44:26
Speaker 1: Netherlands, Okay, you're your pick again as we snake to you.
1:44:31
Speaker 1: Group G Belgium, Egypt, Iran, New Zealand.
1:44:35
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going with Belgium here because that is my
1:44:39
Speaker 3: most recent trip for the PFL. We were in Belgium
1:44:43
Speaker 3: and the sports fans in Belgium are absolutely manic and insane.
1:44:48
Speaker 1: So yeah, go Brussels, Belgium. I was hoping you'd pick
1:44:52
Speaker 1: one of the other teams. You most certainly are not
1:44:53
Speaker 1: going to win this group, so I could so I
1:44:55
Speaker 1: could sound smart and be like, yeah, the Belgians are
1:44:57
Speaker 1: always good at soccer, plus the waffles and everything thing.
1:45:01
Speaker 2: Iran give me Iron. They're They're they're underdogs for many
1:45:07
Speaker 2: reasons in this.
1:45:08
Speaker 1: And they're the ultimate underdogs right now in many ways,
1:45:12
Speaker 1: not just because they're not the best soccer nation, but
1:45:15
Speaker 1: also you know what I'm talking about, it's a tough
1:45:18
Speaker 1: road for them to get to North America.
1:45:19
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm going with the Iran.
1:45:21
Speaker 1: The Pyramids are on the phone feeling disrespected by James
1:45:24
Speaker 1: Peterson for not going with that, as are Kiwi Birds.
1:45:28
Speaker 2: Wow.
1:45:28
Speaker 1: All right, group h my pick again, Spain, Cabo Verde,
1:45:34
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabiaguy. I'm going Spain because that's what a lot
1:45:41
Speaker 1: of people think, you know, a lot of actual soccer
1:45:44
Speaker 1: experts think are gonna win it all.
1:45:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's.
1:45:47
Speaker 1: All right. You get to pick first, you know what,
1:45:52
Speaker 1: you know what Saudi Arabia if you like, if you
1:45:54
Speaker 1: playing your professional career in Saudi Arabia, made so that
1:45:58
Speaker 1: you could play for Saudi Arabia the World Cup, things
1:46:01
Speaker 1: might be a little bit different because Christiano are and
1:46:03
Speaker 1: all those playing professionally over there.
1:46:04
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm going Cabo Verde. Cape Verd is a
1:46:09
Speaker 3: tiny little island nation off the coast of Africa, and
1:46:12
Speaker 3: my sister in law, who I like very much, served
1:46:15
Speaker 3: her mission there, so I'm gonna go Katee Verd. And
1:46:18
Speaker 3: you love Africa, so it's perfect. Yeah, it's great, and
1:46:21
Speaker 3: you absolutely think they're going to beat Spain.
1:46:24
Speaker 1: Right. Also, also, I'm reading a book about the disappearance
1:46:28
Speaker 1: of Adolf Hitler and many of the places that he
1:46:31
Speaker 1: might have ended up if he did escape after World
1:46:34
Speaker 1: War Two, and Uruguay is on the short list, so
1:46:37
Speaker 1: I can't pick Uruguay.
1:46:38
Speaker 2: Keep going, all right, group.
1:46:41
Speaker 3: I your Picaganoc France, Okay, I am increded all Iraq, Norway.
1:46:46
Speaker 1: I'm incredibly torn here I'm picking France because I think
1:46:49
Speaker 1: France actually has a great chance of winning the whole
1:46:51
Speaker 1: World Cup, and that's like a smart pick. Also killing
1:46:55
Speaker 1: himbape in company. They've come to several PFL fights, so
1:46:58
Speaker 1: I feel good about them. But Norway had the coolest
1:47:02
Speaker 1: team picture we have ever seen. Don't did you see this?
1:47:05
Speaker 1: I didn't see Norway the World Cup soccer team dressed
1:47:09
Speaker 1: as Vikings and took pictures. It's a really cool picture.
1:47:13
Speaker 1: I'm still going with France. Oh well, that opens up
1:47:17
Speaker 1: for me to take Norway because you know, Scandinavian heritage
1:47:21
Speaker 1: farthest Eastern European closest Eastern Europe in the group, so
1:47:25
Speaker 1: you know the toughness.
1:47:26
Speaker 2: Man, I'm taking the Norwegians. Okay, good enough, fine.
1:47:30
Speaker 1: Group, j Argentina, Algeria, Austria and Jordan. Jordan didn't get
1:47:36
Speaker 1: the memo you had to start with an A. But anyway,
1:47:39
Speaker 1: my pick first, right, yeah, sure, whatever.
1:47:42
Speaker 2: I don't really know. I'm not keeping tracked, but go ahead.
1:47:44
Speaker 1: I can't. You don't go against Jordan. Jordan always wins
1:47:49
Speaker 1: big tournaments, so I'm taking.
1:47:52
Speaker 3: Jordan's kay, I think you might be you might have
1:47:55
Speaker 3: a different Jordan in your mind, I'm obviously talking. I'm
1:47:58
Speaker 3: obviously going to Argentina here because the best player in
1:48:01
Speaker 3: the world still plays for Argentina.
1:48:03
Speaker 2: I never bet against Jordan with the jazz. What happened
1:48:06
Speaker 2: to the jazz?
1:48:08
Speaker 3: But the but the Michael Jordan of soccer is playing
1:48:11
Speaker 3: for Argentina.
1:48:12
Speaker 1: Okay, Group K, Where two groups left? Group K, your
1:48:16
Speaker 1: pick again? Portugal, Congo, Uzbekistan, Colombia. All right, I'm gonna
1:48:22
Speaker 1: go off the beaten path here. Who's Bekistan? Shout out
1:48:27
Speaker 1: to my guy, Ilia or Zeerski, long friend, longtime friend
1:48:31
Speaker 1: of mine, Who's Bekistan? Roots? And the Uzbek's are tough man,
1:48:36
Speaker 1: so I think they're gonna surprise everyone here.
1:48:40
Speaker 3: All right, give me Portugal Ronaldo, oh weird, let's go.
1:48:44
Speaker 3: Oh so your first sensical pick of the entire draft.
1:48:47
Speaker 3: All right, that's great.
1:48:49
Speaker 1: The Iberian peninsula of my sensible picks I speak Spain
1:48:52
Speaker 1: and Portugal. All right, Group L England, Croatia, Ghana, Panama
1:48:59
Speaker 1: and last group my first pick.
1:49:03
Speaker 2: Croatia.
1:49:03
Speaker 1: The Crowats they got I believe they got to the
1:49:05
Speaker 1: final four last four years ago. And you know those
1:49:10
Speaker 1: Eastern Europeans can't can't go against that toughness.
1:49:12
Speaker 2: Let's go Croatia, all right.
1:49:14
Speaker 1: Ghana for me, Ghana I think is the hope for
1:49:17
Speaker 1: the African continent in this World Cup. Shout out ZIGGIANSA
1:49:21
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I think Ghana is great here. And
1:49:25
Speaker 1: I already you know, Gordi che has already picked England
1:49:28
Speaker 1: to win the whole thing, So we can't.
1:49:29
Speaker 2: We defer to Gordy. He gets to keep England.
1:49:31
Speaker 1: We'll let Gordy. We'll let Gordy believe that the Cup
1:49:34
Speaker 1: is coming home. Let's do overall champion, Oh your first? Okay,
1:49:41
Speaker 1: France is the overall champion here. I'm being like semi
1:49:44
Speaker 1: serious about this one. I think France has a great opportunity.
1:49:47
Speaker 1: They've got a deep roster. They also have, you know,
1:49:50
Speaker 1: some superstar level talent. So France as a very realistic
1:49:55
Speaker 1: opportunity in my opinion, to win this thing. And uh,
1:49:59
Speaker 1: you know, they're not a host nation there when we've
1:50:03
Speaker 1: talked with Lauren back about all the things that.
1:50:05
Speaker 2: Kind host nations don't necessarily win.
1:50:08
Speaker 3: But she also said European teams have a hard time
1:50:10
Speaker 3: outside of Europe usually, but still.
1:50:13
Speaker 2: France is gonna be my pick.
1:50:14
Speaker 1: I mean Wemby is now an American, so is Rudy Gobert,
1:50:19
Speaker 1: so maybe France can pull it off in America. I mean,
1:50:22
Speaker 1: you can't go against Jordan, Okay, y, I already told
1:50:25
Speaker 1: you he's six and oh oh see in championship tournaments,
1:50:30
Speaker 1: championship series finals, whatever. So I'm going Jordan's my champion, Jordan.
1:50:38
Speaker 1: You're picking Jordan. I can't go against air Jordan. How
1:50:41
Speaker 1: deep does the Team USA get? Uh? I? Okay, They're
1:50:47
Speaker 1: going to the quarterfinals, however improbable that is. I'm going bold.
1:50:52
Speaker 1: They're getting to the quarterfinals first time since so two.
1:50:55
Speaker 1: I think they get eliminated in the first knockout round.
1:50:58
Speaker 1: They make it outside of the group stage, but they'll.
1:51:01
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you didn't even pick them to win their group.
1:51:03
Speaker 2: So okay, you.
1:51:06
Speaker 1: Already cant them.
1:51:07
Speaker 2: You already picked you know what, We gotta take a break.
1:51:09
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1:51:27
Speaker 1: Nice to.
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1:51:38
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1:52:15
Speaker 9: Thanks for having me oc and I think we're a
1:52:18
Speaker 9: little more aligned on how we're looking at the World
1:52:21
Speaker 9: Cup currently.
1:52:23
Speaker 3: You mean you mean James's pick on the nation, the
1:52:27
Speaker 3: soccer powerhouse nation of Jordan to win it all is
1:52:30
Speaker 3: not necessarily in your wheelhouse.
1:52:34
Speaker 9: I originally thought he was taking like Michael Jordan, who
1:52:37
Speaker 9: picked like Argentina or something, but that was.
1:52:41
Speaker 1: Not the case. Yeah, we lost James on that one.
1:52:45
Speaker 1: That's totally fine.
1:52:47
Speaker 3: So obviously we went through the groups and I'm not
1:52:50
Speaker 3: going to pretend I know about most of these soccer Nations.
1:52:55
Speaker 3: I have not taken the deep dive that I'm sure
1:52:57
Speaker 3: you and other people have into who really has a
1:53:00
Speaker 3: chance to win this thing beyond the sort of normal
1:53:03
Speaker 3: cast of characters. But is there a dark horse in
1:53:06
Speaker 3: this tournament in your opinion? Is there a team that
1:53:08
Speaker 3: you're going to be watching that maybe there's not a
1:53:11
Speaker 3: ton of like championship level expectation, but you think could
1:53:14
Speaker 3: actually pull it off.
1:53:15
Speaker 1: Ohole goal. Already in Mexico versus South Africa, we're off
1:53:18
Speaker 1: to the score and early.
1:53:19
Speaker 9: Sorry, well it's great too. I got that up on
1:53:23
Speaker 9: my screen too, so I'm watching that as well. You know,
1:53:27
Speaker 9: it's always tough when you when you especially when you
1:53:29
Speaker 9: look at that you know, kind of top ten group.
1:53:32
Speaker 9: It's stacked, you know, the phenomenal players across the country
1:53:38
Speaker 9: and just well rounded, and a lot of them have
1:53:41
Speaker 9: won World Cups, you know recently too. I think Morocco,
1:53:45
Speaker 9: you know, we continue to see kind of a growth
1:53:47
Speaker 9: from Morocco. I think that's one that you just kind
1:53:50
Speaker 9: of never know if they can squeak through right now.
1:53:52
Speaker 9: I have them once they get kind of you know,
1:53:55
Speaker 9: through into the round of thirty two. The problem is
1:53:58
Speaker 9: is they could match up with the Netherlands, So depending
1:54:01
Speaker 9: on what draw they get, they might have a tougher
1:54:03
Speaker 9: one on that top side. But I do think they're
1:54:05
Speaker 9: a really good squad to just kind of watch out for.
1:54:09
Speaker 8: Ghana.
1:54:09
Speaker 9: I heard you talk about that earlier. You just can
1:54:12
Speaker 9: never count them out. They're either going to show up
1:54:15
Speaker 9: and be a really tough team to play against. But again,
1:54:18
Speaker 9: you know, if they get the kind of draw they have,
1:54:21
Speaker 9: they're gonna end up, you know, matching up with Portugal early,
1:54:24
Speaker 9: which is gonna.
1:54:24
Speaker 8: Be really tough.
1:54:25
Speaker 9: And that's where I think the big dogs kind of
1:54:27
Speaker 9: have a good opportunity. You know, if they get that
1:54:30
Speaker 9: one two in the group and they're not that third place,
1:54:32
Speaker 9: they can kind of skate each other. But I have
1:54:35
Speaker 9: a pretty good semi final matchup that you know, if
1:54:38
Speaker 9: it does get to that, it's about as classic as
1:54:40
Speaker 9: it comes.
1:54:42
Speaker 1: This question comes from a random viral moment where one
1:54:46
Speaker 1: of the best soccer players in the world, Spanish teenager
1:54:50
Speaker 1: La Minaml was caught shopping at walmarts, just pushing guard around,
1:54:56
Speaker 1: walmarts around and he can't do that in Spain, and
1:55:01
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's an element to that for some
1:55:04
Speaker 1: of the superstar players coming over in you know, the
1:55:08
Speaker 1: United States, where maybe they are anonymous or relatively anonymous
1:55:13
Speaker 1: for the first time in many, many years for some
1:55:15
Speaker 1: of them. Is there is there a level of relief
1:55:18
Speaker 1: or enjoyment. You think for some of the top guys
1:55:20
Speaker 1: in the world, that they're going to be able to travel,
1:55:22
Speaker 1: they're going to be able to walk around without the
1:55:25
Speaker 1: mobs of people that they're accustomed to in Europe.
1:55:29
Speaker 9: Absolutely, And I mean, you know, you think about it
1:55:32
Speaker 9: New York, massive, massive state, but you're you're in you know,
1:55:37
Speaker 9: the US, you know where where soccer is fourth fifth
1:55:40
Speaker 9: on the sports radar, but it's unique. It's you know,
1:55:44
Speaker 9: the billions of people that do watch the World Cup worldwide,
1:55:48
Speaker 9: it's just not as much here in the US. So
1:55:51
Speaker 9: you know, when you think about them going to like
1:55:53
Speaker 9: you know, Texas and some of these other places, they're
1:55:56
Speaker 9: fully under the radar.
1:55:57
Speaker 8: You have to be a.
1:55:58
Speaker 9: Soccer nerd to really know who some of these people
1:56:02
Speaker 9: are if they're out in the in the wild, if
1:56:04
Speaker 9: you will. But I think you know more and more
1:56:07
Speaker 9: people know kind of which areas some of these teams
1:56:11
Speaker 9: are in, so they're more.
1:56:12
Speaker 8: Apt to it.
1:56:13
Speaker 9: But the common folk will have no clue who they are.
1:56:16
Speaker 9: So you know, even when Messi first went to Miami,
1:56:19
Speaker 9: there was a lot of times you could see him,
1:56:20
Speaker 9: you know, out at the store and everything, and he
1:56:23
Speaker 9: probably had little moments but people caught up to him.
1:56:25
Speaker 9: But he's the number one player in the world. Well,
1:56:28
Speaker 9: a different level on that aspect.
1:56:30
Speaker 1: My older brother gave me one of those stories. He
1:56:33
Speaker 1: lives in d c and his nephew was playing. His
1:56:36
Speaker 1: nephew from the other side of the family was playing
1:56:39
Speaker 1: in a soccer tournament and little Messi, Leo's kid was
1:56:44
Speaker 1: playing on the other side, and like Leo was able
1:56:47
Speaker 1: to just kind of like be on the sideline attending
1:56:50
Speaker 1: and people knew who he was. But it wasn't the
1:56:52
Speaker 1: same as obviously would be in South America, Europe or whatever.
1:56:55
Speaker 1: So I think that's that's an interesting element here where
1:56:58
Speaker 1: these guys are the biggest sports celebrities on the planet
1:57:03
Speaker 1: in almost every country they normally compete in, but because
1:57:06
Speaker 1: they're competing in this one, they are less recognized.
1:57:11
Speaker 2: That's fascinating to me.
1:57:13
Speaker 9: Yeah, and culturally too. You know, if Matthew would to
1:57:16
Speaker 9: go to any other country, you know, in Europe, would
1:57:19
Speaker 9: be just swarmed, and I think culturally we're a little
1:57:21
Speaker 9: bit different in the US, you know, just one with soccer.
1:57:26
Speaker 9: It really has to be soccer specific people because you know,
1:57:29
Speaker 9: the basketball fans not going to go run up and
1:57:31
Speaker 9: try and get a selfie with him, So people kind
1:57:33
Speaker 9: of get their space a little bit more here.
1:57:35
Speaker 2: Pretty cool.
1:57:36
Speaker 1: Jay Notley is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
1:57:38
Speaker 1: schall talking about the actual chances for Team USA. You
1:57:42
Speaker 1: and I talked about this last time we had you on.
1:57:44
Speaker 1: The US men's national team begins play against Pedroguay tomorrow,
1:57:48
Speaker 1: and you know, you played the positioning goal and that
1:57:52
Speaker 1: is a place where it's been typically a strength for
1:57:56
Speaker 1: Team USA, but maybe not as obvious as strength this
1:57:59
Speaker 1: World Cup because you know, it's a it's an MLS goaltender.
1:58:03
Speaker 1: It's not somebody who's a starter over in England like
1:58:06
Speaker 1: we've had in the past. Is that a problem?
1:58:11
Speaker 9: I You know, Tim Howdard has actually talked about this
1:58:14
Speaker 9: a lot as well too, one of the most respected
1:58:16
Speaker 9: goalkeepers you know, in US history, and he just felt
1:58:20
Speaker 9: like the situation's a little odd. I've always felt Freeze
1:58:26
Speaker 9: stood as the number one, and I think just recently,
1:58:29
Speaker 9: with you know, Matt Turner getting some more time in
1:58:33
Speaker 9: kind of these lead up games, it kind of made
1:58:35
Speaker 9: it a little confusing, but I think after seeing the
1:58:37
Speaker 9: Germany game, it was pretty apparent that Freeze is going
1:58:40
Speaker 9: to be the number one. Freeze is a very very
1:58:42
Speaker 9: good goalkeeper, when you know, and uniquely he went to
1:58:45
Speaker 9: Harvard as well too, so smart as well. But he's
1:58:49
Speaker 9: got the body, he's very good shot stopper. He's playing
1:58:52
Speaker 9: very good for New York City FC, one of the
1:58:56
Speaker 9: top goalkeepers in MLS. So I do think he will
1:59:00
Speaker 9: not be a weak point for us, and I do
1:59:03
Speaker 9: have a lot of confidence. But I think historically you're correct.
1:59:07
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, Tim Howard, Matt you know, Freedol,
1:59:11
Speaker 9: all those guys were always European players playing in some
1:59:15
Speaker 9: of the top leagues. But I do think we have
1:59:17
Speaker 9: a very strong goalkeeper heading into this.
1:59:20
Speaker 8: You know, Matt.
1:59:20
Speaker 9: Turnal's struggled when he went over to Europe to try
1:59:22
Speaker 9: and get playing time, when he went to Arsenal and
1:59:25
Speaker 9: then kind of you know, loaned out some multiple players places.
1:59:28
Speaker 9: He's back and getting his feet under him, but just
1:59:30
Speaker 9: not quick enough. Before the World Cup.
1:59:34
Speaker 1: The chances to get out of the group seem like,
1:59:39
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people optimistic about that,
1:59:41
Speaker 1: but then you know, that's where it has traditionally been
1:59:44
Speaker 1: very difficult for the US men's national team, and that's
1:59:47
Speaker 1: where it becomes, you know, the lack of depth, or
1:59:52
Speaker 1: maybe the lack of top top line talent becomes an
1:59:56
Speaker 1: issue as you get further into a tournament, which of
1:59:58
Speaker 1: course features the very best in the world representing their
2:00:01
Speaker 1: home nations. As we watched Team USA tomorrow at so
2:00:06
Speaker 1: far and then hopefully beyond the ceiling. You know, I
2:00:10
Speaker 1: asked you this last time, but have we adjusted expectations
2:00:14
Speaker 1: as now we know exactly what the roster is looking like,
2:00:17
Speaker 1: and I think we have a good sense of what
2:00:20
Speaker 1: Postchatino wants to do with this team.
2:00:24
Speaker 8: And I.
2:00:26
Speaker 9: Felt better, I think after the last two kind of
2:00:29
Speaker 9: lead up games, you know, even even the Germany game
2:00:32
Speaker 9: when you know they scored early, and just kind of
2:00:34
Speaker 9: seeing the team play through it and then really dissecting
2:00:37
Speaker 9: kind of the group a little bit more. It's not
2:00:40
Speaker 9: an easy group for for the US. I like that
2:00:43
Speaker 9: they're starting with Paraguay. Paraguay is very very talented. I mean,
2:00:49
Speaker 9: if you look just through you know, goalkeeper spying in
2:00:52
Speaker 9: the center back with Gomez in the middle of the park,
2:00:55
Speaker 9: Almeron and then and Cecio might be injured. He was
2:00:59
Speaker 9: actual we carted off on one of the pre matches
2:01:02
Speaker 9: leading up, very very talented forward, so he might be out.
2:01:06
Speaker 9: But you know, in November we lost two to one
2:01:08
Speaker 9: to Paraguay. I think, you know, if oursel are trying
2:01:11
Speaker 9: out ourselves, if the US can get a win against Paraguay,
2:01:15
Speaker 9: I think it's going to set him up where you know,
2:01:17
Speaker 9: their next one is against Australia, a very tough team
2:01:20
Speaker 9: as well. I think Turkey's kind of a dark horse
2:01:23
Speaker 9: in the group. Turkey's a very good team. But right
2:01:26
Speaker 9: now I changed. I went back to road glasses, and
2:01:30
Speaker 9: I got us getting out of the group in first place,
2:01:34
Speaker 9: with Turkey second and Paragwhite sneaking in one of those
2:01:37
Speaker 9: third place opportunities.
2:01:39
Speaker 3: What are we best at, jay for the the absolute
2:01:43
Speaker 3: soccer novice like, are we faster than a lot of
2:01:46
Speaker 3: these teams? Are we more physical? Are we better at
2:01:50
Speaker 3: possessing the balls? Are passing better? What is the best
2:01:53
Speaker 3: trait of the US men's national team heading into this
2:01:56
Speaker 3: World Cup?
2:01:57
Speaker 9: Well, I think you know, through the middle of the park,
2:01:59
Speaker 9: I think we're very very strong, and then you know
2:02:02
Speaker 9: when you look at the width too, and I really
2:02:04
Speaker 9: do think it'll depend on which lineup they go out,
2:02:06
Speaker 9: but you know, I think Jedi is going to be
2:02:09
Speaker 9: kind of that left advance role with Sergio Desk as
2:02:12
Speaker 9: the right advance role, and then the pivots with McKenny
2:02:14
Speaker 9: and Adams very strong, you know in European presence, and
2:02:19
Speaker 9: then prolific with Simothy Way on the right side again,
2:02:24
Speaker 9: two very prominent, quick, skillful players that are playing in
2:02:29
Speaker 9: Europe with balleg enough top so I think, you know,
2:02:33
Speaker 9: defensively there could be some gaps with injuries, you know, age,
2:02:38
Speaker 9: you know, with Tim Rieman as well to probably starting
2:02:40
Speaker 9: on that left side as a captain. And then you know,
2:02:43
Speaker 9: we did talk about a deeper first World Cup, you know,
2:02:47
Speaker 9: doesn't have that experience. So I think once you look
2:02:49
Speaker 9: at that midfield from kind of the pivots up, I
2:02:52
Speaker 9: do think we're pacy, We're creative, you know, will flash
2:02:57
Speaker 9: an area, we'll hunt down the balls, probably our best opportunity,
2:03:02
Speaker 9: you know, possession wise. You can see a team like
2:03:04
Speaker 9: like Germany who's just lockdown on basically what their formation is,
2:03:10
Speaker 9: how they operate, you know, from the top all the
2:03:13
Speaker 9: way down. Germans are like machines, uh, And I think
2:03:16
Speaker 9: that's where they can get good where you know, we
2:03:18
Speaker 9: see pretty much every time we see the US, there's
2:03:21
Speaker 9: some tweaks, some change, So there hasn't been that consistency
2:03:24
Speaker 9: and still recently. And so I feel a little bit
2:03:26
Speaker 9: better going to this, but I do like kind of
2:03:29
Speaker 9: those titts out winding up front. I think that's our
2:03:32
Speaker 9: best group, but you know, I also think we're going
2:03:35
Speaker 9: to be giving up some opportunities.
2:03:37
Speaker 1: How prepared do I need to be to, uh, when
2:03:40
Speaker 1: anything goes bad for US men's national team? Be like,
2:03:43
Speaker 1: if if mood Man was here, that would have been better.
2:03:46
Speaker 1: Diego Lulda would have put that one in the back
2:03:49
Speaker 1: of the net. How prepared do I need to be
2:03:50
Speaker 1: to have that on deck? When I'm watching these games?
2:03:55
Speaker 9: I'm prepared for it as well, only because if we're
2:03:59
Speaker 9: in a zero zero, one one or down down to
2:04:04
Speaker 9: one and you just need that change. Diegle Luna is
2:04:09
Speaker 9: perfect for it, you know, and he showed it, you know,
2:04:12
Speaker 9: playing in you know, seventeen eighteen matches leading up to
2:04:15
Speaker 9: the you know, prior to these last few before the
2:04:17
Speaker 9: World Cup and the team was announced, he was a
2:04:20
Speaker 9: difference maker. He's he causes problems, he works his tailoff,
2:04:25
Speaker 9: he makes other people run, run more, and so I
2:04:28
Speaker 9: thought that kind of wild card piece going into games
2:04:31
Speaker 9: of you know, he's not going to be killing off
2:04:33
Speaker 9: a game for you. He's the one that needs to
2:04:35
Speaker 9: go in and change it. And I do think they
2:04:37
Speaker 9: missed that opportunity. But you know, I think Zendeas is
2:04:40
Speaker 9: playing very, very well and I think he earned his
2:04:43
Speaker 9: spot as well too. I think the jah Rayna wants
2:04:45
Speaker 9: really interesting well Don in the middle, as well as
2:04:48
Speaker 9: a little interesting with you know, Testaman and Testament not
2:04:53
Speaker 9: making the team as well. So it super interesting and
2:04:57
Speaker 9: kind of how it operated. But I think Luna is
2:04:59
Speaker 9: going to be a miss.
2:05:03
Speaker 2: Who's gonna win it all.
2:05:07
Speaker 8: So I got.
2:05:09
Speaker 9: Spain beating Argentina in the final the way the brackets
2:05:12
Speaker 9: are kind of working out for me, and getting over
2:05:15
Speaker 9: France in the semi finals, Argentina beating Brazil on the
2:05:20
Speaker 9: other side, I got Spain winning it all. Even though
2:05:23
Speaker 9: I do think France is like my asterisk number two.
2:05:28
Speaker 9: I think they have the deepest team but I'm gonna
2:05:31
Speaker 9: take Spain.
2:05:34
Speaker 3: Spain to win it all, according to Jay Knolly, and
2:05:37
Speaker 3: of course we will have him on throughout this World
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Speaker 3: Cup brought to you by our friends at Beer Bar.
2:05:42
Speaker 3: Evaluating the tournament as it progresses, Jay enjoyed the soccer man.
2:05:47
Speaker 3: I know that, you know, it's something that the rest
2:05:49
Speaker 3: of us in the sports world, we really only jump
2:05:52
Speaker 3: on the bandwagon every four years with this World Cup.
2:05:55
Speaker 3: But I equate it to the Olympics in that regard
2:05:57
Speaker 3: where it's just there's nothing like it, even if you're
2:06:00
Speaker 3: not a soccer lifer, there's nothing like this for these
2:06:04
Speaker 3: couple of weeks when the World Cup takes center stage.
2:06:07
Speaker 3: So I appreciate you giving us some perspective on it.
2:06:10
Speaker 9: I appreciate coming on with UOC and you guys are
2:06:13
Speaker 9: you guys are awesome, And you know, I think another
2:06:15
Speaker 9: thing for the common folk, it's just understanding how many
2:06:19
Speaker 9: people are viewing the World Cup worldwide. It's such an
2:06:22
Speaker 9: incredible sporting event. And you know, I remember it all
2:06:25
Speaker 9: the ways since some of the little kid even Italy
2:06:28
Speaker 9: with Roberto Boggio popping that penalty kick over the top
2:06:31
Speaker 9: and in the early nineties, so I mean, you end
2:06:34
Speaker 9: up creating memories throughout your life that you remember.
2:06:37
Speaker 2: Are you going to any games?
2:06:40
Speaker 8: I'm not. We have I had a lot of work.
2:06:45
Speaker 9: I work for a physician tech company, and then we
2:06:47
Speaker 9: also own a restaurant in West Jordan. My wife helps run,
2:06:52
Speaker 9: so we're kind of tied down at Jim's family restaurant
2:06:55
Speaker 9: as well.
2:06:55
Speaker 1: It's tough because it's man, I was just I was
2:06:58
Speaker 1: looking at all these different ways could possibly get to
2:07:01
Speaker 1: these games, and the get in price and the hotels
2:07:03
Speaker 1: and all these transport. It's like it's one of those
2:07:05
Speaker 1: things where it's like, man, even if you are super
2:07:08
Speaker 1: hardcore on soccer, just you have to make an executive
2:07:11
Speaker 1: decision about whether getting to one of these games is
2:07:14
Speaker 1: going to be worth it. And obviously, real life, as
2:07:16
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, gets in the way a lot for
2:07:18
Speaker 1: people too.
2:07:19
Speaker 9: So I am going to be in Dallas for work
2:07:22
Speaker 9: when they're going on. We're just debating on if the
2:07:25
Speaker 9: prices are worth We.
2:07:28
Speaker 3: Have Big twelve media days for the Big twelve football comps.
2:07:32
Speaker 3: We have Big twelve media Days, and there's a game
2:07:34
Speaker 3: going on like across town the day before. So even
2:07:38
Speaker 3: though even all of us were like well, should we
2:07:39
Speaker 3: fly down early, but not going to work out with
2:07:42
Speaker 3: showtimes and things like that. So I applaud anyone who
2:07:45
Speaker 3: can get there because you know it's not easy.
2:07:48
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, I appreciate it. You guys are great and
2:07:52
Speaker 9: hopefully we'll talk soon.
2:07:53
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Jay J. Knolly, former our goaltender, goalkeeper. Gosh,
2:08:00
Speaker 1: I gotta stop doing that insider here on the World Cup,
2:08:04
Speaker 1: we'll be covering with different actual soccer bodies, names, minds throughout.
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Speaker 3: An epic comeback for the Nicks last night, the Brendan
2:08:19
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in, Evan Cohen,
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2:08:56
Speaker 2: Evan welcome back to the show. How are you, sir Sean?
2:09:00
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me as always, I appreciate it all right.
2:09:04
Speaker 3: Last night's epic comeback by the New York Knicks was
2:09:08
Speaker 3: that enough?
2:09:08
Speaker 2: Is Is it now their series?
2:09:10
Speaker 1: Or do you think San Antonio can somehow stage a
2:09:14
Speaker 1: down three to one comeback?
2:09:16
Speaker 4: I pick the spurs in six before this series started,
2:09:20
Speaker 4: and that is just being restated to let the audience
2:09:24
Speaker 4: know how long I have been, because this series is
2:09:27
Speaker 4: one thousand percent over. In my mind, it is done with.
2:09:31
Speaker 4: And the main reason it is done with is because
2:09:34
Speaker 4: when you have a seven to five alien and you
2:09:37
Speaker 4: voluntarily make him into a six to five wing, you're
2:09:40
Speaker 4: asking to lose.
2:09:43
Speaker 2: Why has that happened?
2:09:45
Speaker 1: And why did it happen last night over a you know,
2:09:48
Speaker 1: eighteen minutes stretch when you had these big time leads, especially.
2:09:55
Speaker 4: Well, it's easy for me to say, sitting from my
2:09:59
Speaker 4: living or my bedroom watching this game, that I can't
2:10:03
Speaker 4: believe they don't play him near the rim, right, But
2:10:06
Speaker 4: the reality is they don't play him near the rim.
2:10:09
Speaker 4: And my issue is not that he doesn't have a
2:10:12
Speaker 4: right to be tired because of all the running or
2:10:14
Speaker 4: all the physicality or not that the Knicks are not
2:10:16
Speaker 4: doing a phenomenal job at defending him and bumping him
2:10:20
Speaker 4: at every which turn. And when I say bumping him,
2:10:23
Speaker 4: what I mean is, well, to visualize it this way,
2:10:26
Speaker 4: think about an offensive and defensive line drills. Right, So
2:10:32
Speaker 4: if you're if you have an offensive lineman and you're
2:10:36
Speaker 4: doing a drill, and then the offensive lineman's job or
2:10:38
Speaker 4: even in the game obviously is to protect the quarterback,
2:10:42
Speaker 4: right the defensive lineman is coming at him, the offensive
2:10:45
Speaker 4: lineman has to do everything in his power to make
2:10:47
Speaker 4: sure the defensive lineman does not touch the quarterback. That
2:10:49
Speaker 4: is what I think the Knicks are doing whenby in
2:10:52
Speaker 4: this case would be the defensive lineman, the rim would
2:10:55
Speaker 4: be the quarterback, and the Knicks defense would be the
2:10:58
Speaker 4: offensive lineman. And you know what you're allowed to do
2:11:00
Speaker 4: though at times in the NBA you're allowed to do
2:11:03
Speaker 4: in the NBA that you can't do in the NFL
2:11:06
Speaker 4: is basically you get drop block. And so what I
2:11:09
Speaker 4: mean by that is it's mind bothering to me Sean
2:11:12
Speaker 4: that in no way, shape or form have I seen
2:11:15
Speaker 4: the San Antonio Spurs on an all fall situation. So
2:11:19
Speaker 4: if Steph Castle or Dylan Harper have the ball top
2:11:22
Speaker 4: of the key, Devin Bissell or Juliane Champagny, either one
2:11:26
Speaker 4: of them just use the or Darren Fox use any
2:11:29
Speaker 4: of the top sick they're allowed to go set a
2:11:32
Speaker 4: screen on Wemby's man, not for Wendy to even get
2:11:35
Speaker 4: the ball, but just for Wenby to get positioned on
2:11:38
Speaker 4: the block and then start your offense. But for whatever reason,
2:11:42
Speaker 4: they take him and they make him this screener on
2:11:45
Speaker 4: a high pick and roll, which I think physically takes
2:11:47
Speaker 4: something out of him, and it doesn't allow for him
2:11:50
Speaker 4: to get to the rim because he needs help. But
2:11:52
Speaker 4: that defensive lineman trying to get.
2:11:54
Speaker 8: To the quarterback, so to speak.
2:11:55
Speaker 4: It's infuriating to me watching this that the Spurs just
2:12:00
Speaker 4: almost borderline shoes not to have Wenby in the right spots.
2:12:06
Speaker 3: I mean, it makes sense the way you articulated one
2:12:09
Speaker 3: thing that I was noticing. I mean, I I've watched
2:12:13
Speaker 3: a lot of what this Spurs run has looked like
2:12:16
Speaker 3: in the playoffs through the Utah Jazz lens like, this
2:12:19
Speaker 3: is what you're gonna have to contend with for the
2:12:21
Speaker 3: next decade, no matter who you draft in this upcoming
2:12:24
Speaker 3: draft or we're gonna get there here in just a second.
2:12:27
Speaker 3: And obviously the Spurs they're a really talented team.
2:12:29
Speaker 2: I think they're a very deep team.
2:12:32
Speaker 3: What I saw last night in that collapse was like,
2:12:35
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, no matter how talented you are, there's
2:12:37
Speaker 3: just some things that I guess experience can't replace. This
2:12:41
Speaker 3: sort of wide eyed what the hell is happening? That
2:12:43
Speaker 3: kept going on.
2:12:44
Speaker 1: As you know, a twenty nine point lead became twenty points,
2:12:48
Speaker 1: became fifteen points, became eleven points, became four and they
2:12:53
Speaker 1: just from a coach all the way down to the
2:12:56
Speaker 1: bottom of the roster perspective, It's like all of them
2:12:58
Speaker 1: were looking around like, Hey, what are we supposed to
2:13:00
Speaker 1: to do here? And I was like, man it, not
2:13:03
Speaker 1: only do you need the talent, do you need the
2:13:05
Speaker 1: right bodies? And that's what the Jazz are going to
2:13:06
Speaker 1: try to get with this draft and all the other
2:13:09
Speaker 1: personal moves they've made, but you also need the experience.
2:13:13
Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, wait, before before you finished, I'm starting
2:13:15
Speaker 4: her up. I don't think you have to worry about
2:13:19
Speaker 4: the draft to get the right bodies for Wenby. I
2:13:23
Speaker 4: think you already have them. Sure, because if you think
2:13:27
Speaker 4: about this logically, let's just pretend Walker Kessler is there.
2:13:31
Speaker 4: So Walker Kessler, Laurie Markinen, Jaron Jackson Jr. Just start
2:13:37
Speaker 4: right there. Don't even get to ACEH.
2:13:38
Speaker 8: Bailey.
2:13:38
Speaker 4: I know it's six to nine, but like, just start
2:13:40
Speaker 4: start right there. Two of those three guys can easily
2:13:45
Speaker 4: bump him on defense and play offensive line and stretch
2:13:49
Speaker 4: him out on defense where they have to has to
2:13:51
Speaker 4: guard the perimeter. It is blatantly obvious that the Age
2:13:57
Speaker 4: family and everybody involved, the personnel with the Jazz, Justin Zanak,
2:14:02
Speaker 4: whoever else is involved at this point, clearly understood that
2:14:05
Speaker 4: before this finals, understood how exactly to go up against Wemby,
2:14:10
Speaker 4: and they already have those guys. They don't have to
2:14:15
Speaker 4: address more of those guys. In my I understand you're
2:14:17
Speaker 4: talking about the rest of the roster, but I think
2:14:19
Speaker 4: it's important for all the jazz man sewn listening to
2:14:22
Speaker 4: you right now to realize, based on what Carl Anthony
2:14:25
Speaker 4: Towns has done, don't you have multiple versions of Carl
2:14:29
Speaker 4: Anthony Towns type players.
2:14:33
Speaker 2: I think physically you do.
2:14:35
Speaker 3: My question for the the sequence we saw last night
2:14:40
Speaker 3: is I don't think there's a personnel problem with the
2:14:42
Speaker 3: San Antonio Spurs, even against this Knixt team, the decision
2:14:46
Speaker 3: making process, the shot selection, the inexperience of that youth.
2:14:50
Speaker 3: It's like, man, no matter how talented you are, the
2:14:53
Speaker 3: like you didn't you were not prepared to handle this,
2:14:56
Speaker 3: And it seemed like maybe even your coaching staff was
2:14:59
Speaker 3: not prepared to hand this.
2:15:00
Speaker 4: Well that's the thing right there, because you just said.
2:15:03
Speaker 2: You haven't been here before.
2:15:05
Speaker 3: So even as the Jazz tried to accumulate talent and stuff,
2:15:08
Speaker 3: there's like there's gonna have to be some patience with like, well,
2:15:10
Speaker 3: you gotta you gotta let them get to the playoffs first.
2:15:13
Speaker 3: Then you got to let them make their mistakes in
2:15:15
Speaker 3: the playoffs and then maybe learn from those mistakes the
2:15:18
Speaker 3: next year in the playoffs. It felt like to me
2:15:20
Speaker 3: last night was a perfect illustration of how like just
2:15:24
Speaker 3: having the alien is far from enough in today's NBA.
2:15:28
Speaker 4: Absolutely right, And I think you nailed it with the
2:15:30
Speaker 4: coaching part of it. So I think we all thought, oh,
2:15:34
Speaker 4: Wemby's there ahead of time, Well, Wemby's inexperienced, poke it
2:15:38
Speaker 4: ugly head there in that spot like anyone else would
2:15:40
Speaker 4: at twenty two years old. When you think about really
2:15:42
Speaker 4: the three best players of this team, one it's twenty two,
2:15:45
Speaker 4: one's twenty one, and one's twenty with Wenby, Castle and Harper,
2:15:50
Speaker 4: I don't think any of us pointed out enough.
2:15:53
Speaker 8: Wait.
2:15:53
Speaker 4: The inexperience in getting it ahead of time is the
2:15:57
Speaker 4: coach too, because he's having his worst series on the
2:16:01
Speaker 4: biggest stage, in the most important moments, with a double
2:16:05
Speaker 4: digit lead in all four games, three of which the
2:16:09
Speaker 4: team blewe so I think we forgot about that part.
2:16:12
Speaker 4: And then you look up and down that bench and
2:16:14
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this today and I just did.
2:16:16
Speaker 8: I double checked it.
2:16:17
Speaker 4: To make sure. To my knowledge, and you guys could
2:16:20
Speaker 4: triple just this. They do not have an ex head
2:16:23
Speaker 4: coach on that bench alongside of him. I think one
2:16:27
Speaker 4: of him being Mitch Johnson. Now he's been awesome. I
2:16:30
Speaker 4: understand that he has not a good series, right, I
2:16:33
Speaker 4: think we all can agree on that. I think one
2:16:35
Speaker 4: of the smartest hires I've ever seen a coach make
2:16:38
Speaker 4: in our lifetime in sports was when thirty one year
2:16:42
Speaker 4: old or whatever he was, Sean McVay took over the
2:16:45
Speaker 4: LA Rams and his first move was to go out
2:16:48
Speaker 4: and get like eighty year old Wade Phillips and say
2:16:51
Speaker 4: I just need you. I need you here to be
2:16:54
Speaker 4: my DC, but I need you really here to tell
2:16:57
Speaker 4: me what the heck to do. And Mitt Johnson, yes
2:17:00
Speaker 4: he has Greg Popovich obviously, but Pop is not shitting
2:17:04
Speaker 4: there during the games in next to him. It's a
2:17:06
Speaker 4: little different when you have the mentor let's just use
2:17:09
Speaker 4: football terms, and when you have the mentor Monday through
2:17:12
Speaker 4: Saturday and that influence Monday through Saturday, they can't really
2:17:15
Speaker 4: help you in the moment.
2:17:16
Speaker 8: On Sundays.
2:17:17
Speaker 4: Greg Popovitch can help Mitch Johnson twenty one of twenty
2:17:20
Speaker 4: four hours a day, but there's a three hour span
2:17:23
Speaker 4: where he cannot help him, like literally, by NBA law,
2:17:26
Speaker 4: he can't go and talk to him or anything like that.
2:17:28
Speaker 4: Maybe a halftime, but you get the point in that
2:17:31
Speaker 4: moment to say, hey, you need to tell the team
2:17:33
Speaker 4: it's about milking clock and not taking shots. So maybe
2:17:36
Speaker 4: dearon Fox doesn't do that, or you know, we're up
2:17:38
Speaker 4: twenty nine, let's sneak wemby some minutes on the bench here.
2:17:43
Speaker 4: If they cut within twenty we put them back, but
2:17:45
Speaker 4: not until then, even if it means you're not happy
2:17:48
Speaker 4: with Cornett and you want to go to Kelly Olynok,
2:17:50
Speaker 4: or you want to go to plumb Lee or Bionbo,
2:17:52
Speaker 4: whatever it may be. I think this is what we
2:17:55
Speaker 4: need to do. They don't have anybody on that bench
2:17:57
Speaker 4: to my knowledge, that has been a full time former
2:18:00
Speaker 4: head coach, and I think they missed that last night.
2:18:03
Speaker 1: This entire playoff run has very much been about Jalen Brunson,
2:18:07
Speaker 1: and he's been great in this series as well. But
2:18:09
Speaker 1: but are these finals just as much about Ogn Andobi,
2:18:12
Speaker 1: especially last night?
2:18:15
Speaker 4: And I got destroyed, and I think at times rightfully.
2:18:19
Speaker 8: So that I was destroyed by where I said.
2:18:22
Speaker 4: I want to say it was May. It was in summer,
2:18:25
Speaker 4: early May. We posted the clip at on Sports DSPN
2:18:28
Speaker 4: today on Twitter. Then I said, I thought ogn Andobi
2:18:31
Speaker 4: was the best player on the Knicks. And just to
2:18:32
Speaker 4: be clear, I am from New York. I live in
2:18:35
Speaker 4: New York. I am not a Knicks fan though I've
2:18:38
Speaker 4: never really been a Knicks fan for whatever reason.
2:18:41
Speaker 8: And I thought that Og was the best player.
2:18:44
Speaker 4: Of the team. And I got ridiculed because of how
2:18:46
Speaker 4: many big shots handler Brunson hit and how he's led
2:18:49
Speaker 4: the team and how he's missed a clutch, and fans
2:18:51
Speaker 4: and media members are right to rip me on that.
2:18:53
Speaker 4: But how I define best players the ability to do
2:18:58
Speaker 4: everything out of all times and never have to come
2:19:02
Speaker 4: come out of the game, right, Jalen Brunson at times
2:19:05
Speaker 4: in his careers had to come out of the.
2:19:06
Speaker 8: Game for defense.
2:19:08
Speaker 4: Og Nanobi in the final fifteen seconds of the game
2:19:12
Speaker 4: had an unbelievable block on an ill advised decision by
2:19:15
Speaker 4: de Aaron Fox. He should have milked the clock and
2:19:17
Speaker 4: not taken the shot as we know, and then had
2:19:19
Speaker 4: the greatest tipp in in the history of the sports. So,
2:19:23
Speaker 4: I mean, he is phenomenal, and I think if I
2:19:26
Speaker 4: had to bet now he was hurt for the championship run,
2:19:30
Speaker 4: but I would have to bet his year around. Kawhi
2:19:32
Speaker 4: Leonard helped him in Toronto in twenty nineteen. And now
2:19:36
Speaker 4: I don't know that Og and Kawhi Leonard said a
2:19:38
Speaker 4: word to each other, but.
2:19:39
Speaker 8: I have to assume just by sitting.
2:19:41
Speaker 4: There and watching him, you learn a ton. Dwayne Wade
2:19:45
Speaker 4: could walk through the jazz practice and if you don't
2:19:48
Speaker 4: learn from that, man, that's on you, right, And Dwayne
2:19:51
Speaker 4: is not their teammates I'm a Heat fan in case
2:19:53
Speaker 4: you haven't figured that part out yet. But like Dwayne,
2:19:56
Speaker 4: you know, you have to learn from him. Og was
2:19:58
Speaker 4: around Kawhi and that's Sean. That's kind of who he
2:20:02
Speaker 4: reminds me of. Now he's kind of a Kawhi junior
2:20:05
Speaker 4: in some regards.
2:20:07
Speaker 2: With less load management.
2:20:10
Speaker 4: Well yeah, but he unfortunately gets hurt. So maybe that's
2:20:13
Speaker 4: his load management with the hamstring, but it is legit injury.
2:20:18
Speaker 4: I don't know that he plants Creed.
2:20:20
Speaker 1: I would be remiss if I didn't talk to you
2:20:25
Speaker 1: about the NBA Draft coming in less than two weeks now,
2:20:29
Speaker 1: and the Utah Jazz obviously have that number two pick.
2:20:33
Speaker 1: Cam Boozer's agent is doing great work and trying to
2:20:36
Speaker 1: insert his name into this top three top two conversation. Obviously,
2:20:41
Speaker 1: Jazz fans have familiarity with the Boozer name, so I
2:20:44
Speaker 1: think they glom onto that. I'm not convinced, but how
2:20:48
Speaker 1: much of it is just that agent doing his job,
2:20:50
Speaker 1: and how much of it is legitimate that that Cam
2:20:53
Speaker 1: Boozer might at least be in consideration as he came
2:20:56
Speaker 1: to Salt Lake City to work out Well, I thought.
2:20:58
Speaker 4: It was really interesting and I'm sure. I'm sure you
2:21:01
Speaker 4: guys talked about it and heard none just but when
2:21:03
Speaker 4: I heard Bill Simmons of the Ringer mentioned that he
2:21:08
Speaker 4: kind of could see that happening, and it's based on
2:21:12
Speaker 4: all of his amazing knowledge around the Angees forever in
2:21:16
Speaker 4: Boston and his fandom and connections in Boston. That the
2:21:20
Speaker 4: way that Simmons kind of phrased it sounded like like
2:21:25
Speaker 4: kind of intel. No, not like I feel like maybe hypothetically,
2:21:30
Speaker 4: it sounded like intel of this is what I know.
2:21:34
Speaker 8: Splash.
2:21:34
Speaker 4: This is what I've experienced, is a Celtics fans slash.
2:21:37
Speaker 8: This is what reminds me of what.
2:21:39
Speaker 4: They would do, et cetera. But this is where I
2:21:42
Speaker 4: need your help walking through this. Let's say so as
2:21:45
Speaker 4: of right now, if everybody comes back right and Walker
2:21:49
Speaker 4: Kessler is resigned long term for this team, so Catser's
2:21:54
Speaker 4: the five, Jaren Jackson Junior, the four market in the
2:21:58
Speaker 4: three is eight A two or is he coming off
2:22:02
Speaker 4: the bench so like they already have, would you agree,
2:22:05
Speaker 4: Shawn help me on this? Four guys for the for
2:22:07
Speaker 4: three spots there up drugs?
2:22:09
Speaker 1: Yes?
2:22:11
Speaker 8: Okay?
2:22:11
Speaker 4: Am I missing anybody in that part.
2:22:13
Speaker 8: Of it yet?
2:22:15
Speaker 4: Well, or is that the four for the three?
2:22:16
Speaker 1: No, that's the four for the three in terms of
2:22:19
Speaker 1: potential starting lineup, right.
2:22:21
Speaker 8: So then let's say they draft Boozer. What does that
2:22:26
Speaker 8: tell you?
2:22:27
Speaker 4: Because I feel like I have to go Brian Winhorse
2:22:30
Speaker 4: and say what's going on in Utah? Because somebody that
2:22:35
Speaker 4: would indicate that somebody is out. No, I mean he's
2:22:39
Speaker 4: listed Cameron Boozer is last listed at like what six
2:22:42
Speaker 4: nine two fifty? That is an old school power forward
2:22:46
Speaker 4: type position when you and I were growing up, like
2:22:48
Speaker 4: that's that would be the size of a true hardcore
2:22:52
Speaker 4: power forward. So Jaren Jackson Junior is not going anywhere
2:22:56
Speaker 4: because that indicates that they're not okay, that's okay, But
2:23:01
Speaker 4: then is Cameron Boozer playing a three? Is Jaron Jackson
2:23:07
Speaker 4: Junior playing a three? The wings today like they would
2:23:10
Speaker 4: have to then guard like an oversized two guard really
2:23:13
Speaker 4: is playing most of the wings in the league, right,
2:23:17
Speaker 4: Because I mean that's where Now again, I have no
2:23:19
Speaker 4: problem with them going big, but that means a starting
2:23:23
Speaker 4: five would be what eighth Bailey Cameron Boozer. I'm just
2:23:28
Speaker 4: saying two through five would be eighth Bailey Cameron Boozer
2:23:31
Speaker 4: Jaron Jackson Jr. And Yeah, or is it that they
2:23:38
Speaker 4: would let Tessler go? Did let them walk or sign
2:23:41
Speaker 4: in trade? Darren Jackson Junior would be at the five Boozer,
2:23:45
Speaker 4: the four Market, and the three. I guess the Boozer.
2:23:50
Speaker 4: You have to go with the windy fingers of what's going.
2:23:53
Speaker 8: On in you.
2:23:54
Speaker 1: Well, that amount of thought I think puts us in
2:23:59
Speaker 1: a pre and makes it easier to just take Darren Peterson.
2:24:04
Speaker 4: So that way, So do you think this is all
2:24:07
Speaker 4: smoke screen or do you think there's any chance on
2:24:09
Speaker 4: June twenty third that Cameron Boozer goes to over all
2:24:12
Speaker 4: to Utah.
2:24:16
Speaker 3: Until yesterday, basically I thought it was a foregone conclusion
2:24:22
Speaker 3: that it would be either Devonsa because somehow Washington falls
2:24:27
Speaker 3: in love with Darren, or would be Darren.
2:24:29
Speaker 4: And Okay, what happened yesterday to change your mind?
2:24:32
Speaker 1: Well, more conversation, more conversations with people that are closer
2:24:38
Speaker 1: to the organization, and and you know some of that
2:24:43
Speaker 1: conspiracy thought that you just mentioned where it's like, okay,
2:24:46
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we should be considering the links, the consistency,
2:24:52
Speaker 1: the fact that they know the family, and I know
2:24:56
Speaker 1: that I'm kind of alone on this hill now. But
2:24:58
Speaker 1: I do think it matters this Jazz organization that they
2:25:02
Speaker 1: are viewed as a destination, a friendly destination, a place
2:25:06
Speaker 1: that players want to stay. And I do think it
2:25:08
Speaker 1: matters that they get a player in this draft with
2:25:11
Speaker 1: this pick that at least for the next five years
2:25:15
Speaker 1: is talking like he wants to stay. Whether he does
2:25:17
Speaker 1: or not will only come down to contract offers and such.
2:25:21
Speaker 1: But I think that might matter, and I think that
2:25:23
Speaker 1: Boozers more likely than Peterson in that regard.
2:25:27
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
2:25:28
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, it does. I don't know.
2:25:32
Speaker 4: It's an interesting thing. I don't know that anymore in
2:25:35
Speaker 4: the NBA that players staying has anything to do with money,
2:25:39
Speaker 4: because they make It's the pre agency, right. It's like
2:25:43
Speaker 4: you get the contracts extension, then you ask out after
2:25:46
Speaker 4: to guarantee yourself the money. So the money is going
2:25:48
Speaker 4: to be similar in many places. I think it is
2:25:51
Speaker 4: the winning, the fit, the culture.
2:25:53
Speaker 8: Et cetera.
2:25:54
Speaker 4: But I think that's an interesting point that if you
2:25:58
Speaker 4: draft Cameron Boozer, assumption is he will never walk into
2:26:02
Speaker 4: Ryan Smith or anybody and the Angels and say I
2:26:05
Speaker 4: want to.
2:26:06
Speaker 8: Not be here.
2:26:07
Speaker 4: That is the same for de Bandsay is it not.
2:26:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's something that you know, a lot of
2:26:12
Speaker 1: people said, well, AJ would feel that way. He's already
2:26:16
Speaker 1: got the links here. He decided to come here, his
2:26:18
Speaker 1: family has moved here. But then, but then he went
2:26:21
Speaker 1: on Gilbert Arenas's podcast and he was like, no, Boston
2:26:24
Speaker 1: is my home. I live in Utah, but Boston is
2:26:27
Speaker 1: home for me. And of course everyone dissected that and
2:26:30
Speaker 1: was just like, wait, he doesn't view Utah as home
2:26:32
Speaker 1: even though all of his people are here. Now, Boston
2:26:35
Speaker 1: is his home. So I mean, we're we're two weeks
2:26:38
Speaker 1: away from a draft. We're really getting into the nitpicky
2:26:41
Speaker 1: stuff now.
2:26:43
Speaker 4: All right, So let me give you a hypothetical. Okay,
2:26:45
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you two choices. The Jazz could either
2:26:51
Speaker 4: give up extra picked and trade up to one, or
2:26:55
Speaker 4: get extra picked and trade down to four.
2:26:58
Speaker 8: Which one would you rather than?
2:27:01
Speaker 2: I would rather them move up to one.
2:27:04
Speaker 3: You've asked this fan base for too long to say,
2:27:09
Speaker 3: you know what it's coming.
2:27:10
Speaker 1: Some good things are coming. We're building for the future.
2:27:13
Speaker 1: Good things are coming. You've got you and I just
2:27:15
Speaker 1: walked through what the potential starting lineup could be. There
2:27:18
Speaker 1: are a lot of players that people believe in that
2:27:21
Speaker 1: could actually put together something interesting here. If then you say,
2:27:24
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna get still a good player in
2:27:28
Speaker 1: like a Wilson or whatever. We're still gonna get a
2:27:30
Speaker 1: good player, but we're passing over on these franchise changers,
2:27:35
Speaker 1: these guys that you already know and have already developed
2:27:39
Speaker 1: an expectation for. And maybe two years from now there's
2:27:43
Speaker 1: another one or three years from now, there's somebody else
2:27:45
Speaker 1: we can add to this mix. I just I don't
2:27:47
Speaker 1: think it makes sense for where the franchise is at
2:27:50
Speaker 1: right now.
2:27:51
Speaker 4: But if Boozer potentially is their guy that they want,
2:27:56
Speaker 4: and they're of the belief that they could get them,
2:27:58
Speaker 4: let's say a three or at four, that would fall
2:28:02
Speaker 4: in line exactly with what Danny Ainge did with tATu.
2:28:08
Speaker 2: It's a very ange thing. Yeah, so I could see it.
2:28:11
Speaker 1: But if you're asking me what I would rather see
2:28:13
Speaker 1: them do, my rather is go get aj De Bonsa
2:28:17
Speaker 1: and just go all in on what this vision for
2:28:20
Speaker 1: your ownership was when he brought him to Utah to
2:28:23
Speaker 1: play high school basketball, you know.
2:28:26
Speaker 4: And so if they get him, who goes because it
2:28:30
Speaker 4: seems like there's too much again, up front in that sceneria.
2:28:33
Speaker 2: That's a that's also a good question, and I don't
2:28:38
Speaker 2: have an answer for it.
2:28:40
Speaker 1: I guess I guess.
2:28:42
Speaker 3: We are up against the end of our show, so
2:28:44
Speaker 3: I gotta let you go. But I cannot tell you
2:28:46
Speaker 3: how much I appreciate your time and your thoughtful conversation.
2:28:49
Speaker 2: Let's do it again soon.
2:28:51
Speaker 8: Always great talking, Thanks for having me.
2:28:54
Speaker 1: Great stuff from Evan Cohen. He's really really good at
2:28:58
Speaker 1: the job. You can find him on Sportsman Like Mornings
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Speaker 1: Busy day, randomly, lot going on, Lot's going on. Yes, incredible,
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Speaker 1: incredible game last night. Good thing you didn't spend that
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Speaker 1: money on those tickets to get to the garden, Spence.
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Speaker 10: Well, I was hoping you'd venmo me like twenty five
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Speaker 10: k I I'm rarely speechless. A really cool moment though,
2:31:25
Speaker 10: And as a father, you'll appreciate this. So Connor, my son,
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Speaker 10: is leaving me back East. He and Ben went to
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Speaker 10: Game three, my brother, and he face times me with
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Speaker 10: about five or six minutes left after san Antonio takes
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Speaker 10: like a fifteen to seventeen point lead again, and he
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Speaker 10: was just leaving the bar in the Upper West Side
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Speaker 10: that he had decided to go do a nick watch party, okay,
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Speaker 10: And he's on a scooter to go back to his
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Speaker 10: car to drive to Connecticut.
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Speaker 6: And I'm watching him. I'm watching the game as I'm facetiming.
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Speaker 10: I'm like, buddy, you might need a turn around, Like
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Speaker 10: I said, don't do it yet, because there's so many
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Speaker 10: things that have to fall into place, and then they
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Speaker 10: cut it to like five with three minutes after I'm like,
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Speaker 10: get back into that bar, yeah, which he did, turned
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Speaker 10: around and got back into time to watch the final
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Speaker 10: like ninety seconds. So I watched the whole thing with him,
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Speaker 10: which was cool. That's awesome, Yeah it was. It was
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Speaker 10: a cool moment.
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Speaker 1: But I still.
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Speaker 10: There are so many things to take away from what
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Speaker 10: happened last night, Like do we even remember that Josh
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Speaker 10: hart nearly was accused of basically tanking the other way?
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Speaker 10: He missed a layup in the tunk a fast break
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Speaker 10: layout to take the lead and then made a really
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Speaker 10: silly foul. And when Benyama missed two free throws and
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Speaker 10: Darren fox Man, you're ahead, I honestly wonder if he
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Speaker 10: thought the game was tied. I have the last thing
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Speaker 10: to do with six seconds left, when you have the
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Speaker 10: ball is to go try to take a contested layup
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Speaker 10: against a really good defensive player. And Ogianna no being
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Speaker 10: og Annobi is now a golden god in midtown Manhattan.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, as he should be.
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Speaker 1: That hustle play, I mean, the timely three pointers from
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Speaker 1: the corner, like he's been incredible in this series. He
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Speaker 1: was absolutely crucial for New York last night, and he
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Speaker 1: be Josh Hart after the game, He's like, thank you
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Speaker 1: OG for bailing me out, because I would have lived
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Speaker 1: with a lifetime of regret for missing that shot and
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Speaker 1: for the foul. So yeah, it was absolutely epic. There
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Speaker 1: are very few games that you watch on television and
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Speaker 1: probably even that you attend in person, that you will
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Speaker 1: remember for the rest of your life.
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Speaker 2: That's one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like those final six and a half minutes or
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Speaker 3: so when it really New York really started to turn
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Speaker 3: it on and really started to chip away at that lead.
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Speaker 2: I'll remember that until I'm dead.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.
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Speaker 3: Like that, that was absolutely epic and incredible. And the
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Speaker 3: collapse by a hyper talented but obviously inexperienced Spurs team,
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Speaker 3: I mean, they're so so good, and yet teams that
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Speaker 3: are that good are still capable of insane self inflicted wounds. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: bad coaching, terrible shots. Selection, they're in the NBA Finals
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Speaker 3: ahead of schedule, Yeah, and they are still capable of
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Speaker 3: just undermining themselves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: And you know, I'm thinking about this this morning because
2:34:25
Speaker 10: I was in that build. There are so many iconic
2:34:28
Speaker 10: shots that have taken place in Madison Square Garden, and
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Speaker 10: Nick games. It's just usually the other team. And I've
2:34:35
Speaker 10: been in that building for Michael Jordan Daggers, for Reggie
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Speaker 10: Miller Daggers. Even last year Tyre's are two years ago. No,
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Speaker 10: it was last year Tyre's Halliburton's three that bounced twenty
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Speaker 10: five feet up into the air and then went in
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Speaker 10: aaron Ne Smith suddenly turning into Ray Allen nineteen. I like,
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Speaker 10: there are some epic nick shots in msg lj's four
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Speaker 10: point play Ewings tipping against the Pacers to finally go
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Speaker 10: to the but most of the epic shots have come
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Speaker 10: from the opposition and og Annobi's tip. Og Annobe's tip
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Speaker 10: in is the way we should say that that was unintentional.
2:35:16
Speaker 10: Don't text in that instantly is on the short list
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Speaker 10: of the most impressive performances in snapshot moments. I'm gonna
2:35:25
Speaker 10: have to be very diligent about this throughout the course
2:35:28
Speaker 10: of the show. Ah, I mean, top two or three
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Speaker 10: nick moments of all time in that building.
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Speaker 2: It's right up there now. Yeah, really really cool to watch,
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Speaker 2: cool to dissect. Spence will be doing it all day
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Speaker 2: on his show.
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Speaker 1: You've got World Cup action to watch today, USA Paraguay
2:35:46
Speaker 1: is tomorrow. Mexico and South Africa are already underway, so
2:35:51
Speaker 1: the biggest sporting event on the planet is on American
2:35:56
Speaker 1: soil for the next several weeks, and we'll be on
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Speaker 1: top of all of it. I have a great show,
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Speaker 1: I think. I imagine it's going to be a fun one
2:36:02
Speaker 1: for you.
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Speaker 10: No, I'm still buzzing. That was really cool because, as
2:36:05
Speaker 10: you referenced, it's rare that you see something historic, but
2:36:08
Speaker 10: it's even more rare that it's your team, right, and
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Speaker 10: so that it was a fun, fun night for me
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Speaker 10: for sure.
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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for the drive. Thanks for listening to The
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Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell Show. Will do it again tomorrow on ESPN
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