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Green and Gold Brothers Episode 12 · Green and Gold Brothers

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast, the place for all things Packers related.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: You can find us on X at GRNGLD Bros, on Facebook at Green and Gold Brothers, and anywhere you get your favorite podcasts.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Zach.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Cody.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: We are back.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Another uh victory.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's Tuesday today.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: Normally we've been recording on Mondays, but uh we had to wait an extra day to catch the Milwaukee Brewers in the NLCS game two.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: You betcha.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good one to watch too.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: So so we we took a day to to cheer on the Brewers and it was very worth it.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: So that one's looking really good.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: We are talking Packers today, though.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: So we just completed a thorough butt kicking of the Chicago Bears.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, did that one feel good.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: 31 to 7.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: We took them down.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I'm excited, man.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: I first of all, I just want to say our last episode, I was kinda not doom and gloom, but I picked the Bears to beat us.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: I should have known better.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like me to pick the Bears to beat the Packers, but just kind of how we were playing and how things were trending going into it.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: My gut told me it was gonna be the Bears, and sometimes I just shouldn't listen to what my gut tells me.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was a very valid feeling though.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we were two and two, but they honestly were ugly.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: And this this doesn't mean that we're all of a sudden fixed.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely not.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it doesn't mean that we're just gonna steamroll the rest of the way, but it felt really good to sort of get back to what we're used to, I guess, even as recent as last year, you know, before before the injuries started to pile up, before we lost Micah and Tuckercraft and and whoever else you want to name that ended up be and then on IR, uh this team was good.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we were 9-3-1 last year.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Before all those injuries, like we were very much flirting with the number one seed at a certain point, you know, over halfway through the year.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: There was definitely that that was an outlook, and and then injuries happened, and you know, you know the rest of the story.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: But that that was last year.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, this this is now, and it just it felt really good to to look that way.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they they executed at the highest level that I can remember for a while.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh definitely this season.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they have been cleaning up a lot of the big mistakes that we've been talking about on here for the last couple weeks.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, penalties got cleaned up.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: The offensive line seems like it's finally kind of getting into a groove.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: We're getting that continuity that we've been talking about for a while.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: Months.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: And this offense, the product that they put out on the field against the Bears, this is what they want.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: You could you could see it, you could hear it in the post-game interviews with Jordan Love and Matt LaFleur and just a handful of the other players.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is the standard.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: This is what they expect.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is what they know they're capable of.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it just it gives me a really good feeling knowing that they have been trying to figure the things out, and they are finally kind of getting a hold on certain parts of those.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's not gonna be perfect, but it's the small steps, it's correcting the mistakes, and hopefully it continues trending this way because that was a hell of a game to watch.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was super exciting, tons of explosives.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was it's Greenway Packer football.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: Especially in sports, too.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like once you once you see the results that uh replicate what you've been preaching, uh it's very easy to I shouldn't say easy, but it more often than not, it begins to sort of pick up steam and then continue to repeat itself.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the the results are are important.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: The process, people will argue, is just as important, and I I would agree.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's not always about the results, especially early.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can you can have the the sort of flat games and showings, and it it's a weird you know spot to be in because you practice well all week and what happened and well now once you see the results, it it feels like it should start to sort of build off of that and continue.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is kind of a trend too, if you look at it.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: Green Bay's kind of been this way for a long time.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: The first four weeks is kind of up and down.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: October's usually the time when they start turning it on, and then you know, come November, things just keep trending as long as injuries kind of keep their way out of their way, I guess.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, injuries are gonna happen, but right, if it's you know, the hate to say it this way, but the the lesser important people, obviously everybody on your roster is there for a reason.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: But the it just seems like you know, we've been hit with starters.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Every week there's a starter that goes down and the last five weeks here, we've lost four, I would say, key or very important role players, not just for a few weeks, like they're done for the year.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like you're gonna short term IR get another guy back, you know, towards December.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, these guys are done for the year, and some of the injuries they're probably not gonna be ready this time next year, depending on how recovery goes.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, look at Micah as a perfect example.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll just hop into injuries right away.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Sky Moore kind of went down with the ankle injury.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't really notice what had happened in real time.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I didn't see it happen either, necessarily.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: I did see him sitting on the sideline there later in the second half.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: I first noticed it when uh we forced a punt and Matthew Golden was on punt return.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think I texted you right away.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, why is Matthew Golden returning punts?
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even realize Golden was back there right away, and I hopped on Twitter right after I got that text from you.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: And sure thing, ankle injury.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think he was questionable to start, but he was pretty quick to be ruled out.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: So that one hurts a little bit.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think with Savion coming back, most likely this week, you'll be able to fill that role.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think you're gonna see more bull melting in the slot.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: You could kind of tell a little bit, you know, the first drive or two they had on offense.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: Sky was out there kind of doing that gadget role where he was running the spinner motion stuff.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: And obviously, you have to go away from that once he's you don't have to, but I feel like he's the perfect player to have that role.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: And after he went out, I don't think they really ran a whole lot of that.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um not the same kind.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Bo Melton went in motion a lot, uh, a little bit of Tucker Kraft and some tight ends.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, that's part of their offense too, so that's a little bit different, but yeah, but yeah, it I agree.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like once once he went out, that sort of shifted the game plan.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: At least some of the plays.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it didn't stop them from doing what they needed to do.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: Early uh indications are with more, I think scans came back positive.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing broken.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't say if it's high ankle sprain or what's going on.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Matt did make it sound like might be a little bit of time.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he he didn't he said that there's really no long-term concern, but short term maybe so.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: I would I wouldn't hold my breath for this week.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'd probably guess next week at the earliest, which kind of sucks, you know.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: Prime time Dallas, you know, a special teams play might be the the thing that can swing that game.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: So uh that that could be a big loss, but we'll see what happens.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: I did think Golden looked good returning punch too.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: I thought so too, yeah.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: He had a nice one, he had a couple nice ones, I think.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: He was looked comfortable catching the ball.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he picked one up off the bounce very cleanly.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh next guy, Benjamin St.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: Just hamstring is what it was ruled as.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think he went out pretty early as well, if I remember right.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I didn't see it, but I think it was uh an update after halftime that they showed that he was gonna be out.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I I think it was on a special teams rep.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um it didn't look, if if I'm remembering the the replay correctly, it didn't look too bad where you know he's running and all of a sudden he's comes up hobbled, but it definitely was something that he felt.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: And with hamstrings, you always want to be careful.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it could end up being long term if you don't do your due diligence and and take some time.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: So not overly concerned about him coming out of the game, but hammies can be tricky.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, he's a key special teamer.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: It is gonna it's gonna be important that he comes back healthy.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: So whether that's three weeks, four weeks, I don't know for sure.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: They haven't released, you know.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: They haven't practiced yet this week, so we we don't know if he's limited, if he's out.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: He could be fine, you know.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: It could have been a precautionary thing, too.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess we'll we'll have to wait and see until till Wednesday.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then the last one, uh Jonathan, Jonathan Hargrave, out for season with.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: Javon.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I'm sorry.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: Javon Hargrave.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: Same.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, not really Jay Hargrave.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, Jay Hargrave.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: Out for season, uh ruptured Achilles, same injury that happened last week to Edrin Cooper.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: It looked different though.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: It did look different.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: I know he came in with uh toe injury, he was limited throughout the week.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: When I first saw it, I'm like, well, maybe he just stubbed his toe, maybe it's turf toe, something happened, then he went down, and it kind of looked a little more serious.
• 9:29
  unknown: I'm like, oh no.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: Then the cart came out.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: So that it's unfortunate.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: Guy we signed in the offseason to kind of be that rotational nose tackle, take some pressure off of some of our other guys.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Was really excited about that signing.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me too.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: And uh let's just cut to the chase here.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: I know there's been a lot of talk about well, what was he doing in the game in the fourth quarter?
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: Why was he out there?
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Matt LaFleur made a mistake having him out there.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: They run a five-man rotation.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: You had set it perfectly before we started recording.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like it's a college football roster where you have 85 to 100 guys on the roster and you can just plug and play guys when you're blowing a team out.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Is it 46 that you can have up on game day only?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they have five on the defensive line, and they were rotating them.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it it's it's unfortunate.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's football.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: It it's what happens.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: There there was nothing, there was no negligence there in any way by anybody.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we don't know the situation either.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was a third down play that he got hurt, if I remember correctly.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: He could have been sitting there on the sidelines, licking his chops, like, come on, coach, put me in.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to get after the passer here, they're gonna throw it.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, come on, who knows?
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not I'm just making this up right now.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the actual scenario was, but it was just wrong place, wrong time, very unfortunate.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: But it had it had nothing to do with Matt LaFleur, it had nothing to do with.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you think about it this way, say you pull him out of the game and he's not playing, now you're only running four guys.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Fatigue is a thing.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of injuries come from fatigue.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: If you're running the same four guys over and over and over again, odds are probably the same, you know what I mean?
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Probably pretty high that somebody gets hurt just because they're out there 15 plays in a row.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about this earlier, kind of after preseason, where we thought defensive line was gonna be maybe a question mark, and after seeing the guys play in the preseason and even into week one, defensive line is probably our deepest position.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: So to sit here and say that, oh, it's doesn't it's not gonna matter, just isn't true.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, that's a spot where we actually do have some depth.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, don't forget Jordan Riley uh is is still on a roster.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: He was on pup to start the year.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he blew his Achilles last year, but Matt did say, uh Matt LaFleur that is, said on Monday that he's uh getting pretty close.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a big body that could be you know an exciting ad that sure you lost Hargrave and that absolutely sucks, but you know, it could be a clean swap.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: So we're we'll be all right there.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just it's kind of goofy.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you see all these Achilles injuries, you know, the last couple years here, and it used to be the ACL.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think we talked about this before, and you still see the ACLs, but it just seems like there's a lot of Achilles injuries.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the contributing factor is.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a doctor, I'm not a sports scientist, but yeah, it's just unfortunate.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's very interesting because yeah, I believe we talked about it last week, so bear with us here for just a quick second.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: But it seems like the Achilles used to be, you know, maybe you had one or two guys in the entire league that would have it, and now you're having two guys per team.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: We've had two guys back to back weeks that I've done it.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: So and like I just mentioned, Riley, he did it last year, so it it definitely is is a more prominent injury, which sucks because it's a long one.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we'll hop in right away to uh just our breakdown on the game.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um offense was dominant pretty much the whole game.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think the second quarter was probably their their biggest low as far as offensive production.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they were still moving the ball a little bit, but a little stagnant.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: The points came first quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: They did score in the second.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think they scored in every quarter, if I remember correctly.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: But the reason that it was maybe a little uh, you know, a little bit of a lull in the second, that's when the Bears went on their drive and they scored.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it was a longer drive.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: It took up probably half the quarter almost, so it was you know, you you can't score if you don't have the ball, really, you know.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you can, but it's less likely, obviously.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think the offense, I mean, if we can get this, not this exact result every week, but they were much more functional.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: They they looked good.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: They were able to get the run game going enough to do some of the play action stuff, which I think is a huge part to this game.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: The the run run game wasn't what did we have, 70?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: It was 70.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was right on 70.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 70 yards.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: We did have two rushing touchdowns, those were both in the red zone.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: That was nice too, kind of that hit stick by Marshawn Lloyd, too.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: That was awesome.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Ran Jalen Johnson over, and then I loved the two small celebrations.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: That was very fun.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: That was awesome.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, they they ran the ball just enough to you know keep the Bears' defense honest.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: The Bears' defense, in my opinion, I they've been getting hyped up for the last three weeks here, and granted, they have played pretty well the last three weeks, but they got exposed by us on Sunday big time.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: They we definitely laid the blueprint out too.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's gonna be teams that are gonna replicate this.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: And we talked about it last week, uh, for as far as our game plan or our preview, anyway.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the Packers did exactly what they needed to.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we wanted to have them get out to a lead because Chicago, where they've been making their hay with with or without Caleb, has been in a run game.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they ran for 300 yards in week one as a team.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: And we wanted them to get a lead, make the Bears have to play from behind, where you can't lean on the run game and just turn around and hand it off.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, them missing uh Manongai was big, absolutely.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Even if he would have played, I don't know how much of a difference it would have made had the you know score and situation been the same, because again, they would have been playing from behind, so it's a lot harder to just have those nine, ten, eleven play drives that take up eight, nine minutes when you're trying to come back.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Especially when you have uh a backup quarterback in like Tyson Bage and you want them to play from behind, force him to throw picks like he did.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: The one I have no clue what he saw.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he just saw something that we didn't see on TV.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean the first one, the one that Bullard tipped?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: His first interception.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he threw it right into double coverage, Bullard tipped it, and then McKinney was just sitting right behind him.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just there were like five green jerseys on the screen.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: They pointed it out in the broadcast too.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think he had Colston Loveland in the flat pretty much wide open.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think if I remember right, Zaire Franklin was kind of lurking in that area where he might have maybe it wasn't him.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember for sure, but he had a wide open check down and he opted to throw into double coverage.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: But back to what I was saying, when you have a backup quarterback like that, you get the lead, you you just keep scoring, and you force him to make crucial errors like he did.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: And this is exactly why.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's exactly what we wanted, what we were asking for.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, obviously we're not uh any kind of coaching staff or anything, but we've watched enough football that that's kind of an easy one.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: That was more of a layup that you have a backup quarterback, a guy who's not starting on purpose.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you make them have to throw, make them earn it, and they did exactly what they needed to.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we'll talk about the energy energy and just attitude overall from you know the team, uh the coaching staff.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: There was a lot of heat coming into this week just based off of the past with this team.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Last year, comments that were made.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna repeat what they said just because I'm not gonna do that.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: But this is a family show.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but yeah, um, if you didn't think there was any sort of heat, you have not been paying attention to these two teams the last last uh season and a half, yeah.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: But I very much sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, you're good.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say I very much appreciated uh Matt LaFleur, you know, sort of taking the high road, at least in the public eye.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: He took the words right out of my mouth.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he he did all the right things in front of the microphone.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: This game is about the players, it's not about the coach.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that's not just talk.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: He truly believes that he's said that in the past.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, as long as he's been the Packers coach, he's very much said, like, this game is about the players, it's not about me.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't anything new in that regard, but I do like that he he did kind of, you know, I'm not gonna fall for that, and we're not gonna give him any bulletin board material.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: But behind closed doors, oh, you know what?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Multiple players have come out and basically said, We're not gonna tell you what what was said, yeah, but there was some stuff said.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Multiple guys, we didn't like the way they were talking about us, you know, we didn't like the disrespect they were throwing at our coach, so we went out there and we we had our coaches back.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty much what happened.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry for all of you who think uh he's lost the locker room and his players don't play hard for him, which never happened by the way.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just I I can't hammer it home any more than we already have.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's they they came out, they knew what was at stake, they didn't let the pressure get to him.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: They backed up their their comments that they had said throughout the week.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: There was a little more trash talking on our side this this week compared to um last season.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: I know there were a few comments made by some Bears players, specifically Luther Burden, but I think a lot of the a lot of the trash talk was coming from us, and I think Green Bay in general, the team, the city, the state, we're sick of hearing about the Bears.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: We needed that for one.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: So that was massive.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then our last big uh key to last week's game, just the turnover battle.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: We had mentioned that last episode.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: For things that went right in our direction, the turnover battle was very crucial, and it was we walked away with five turnovers.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: In those division games, I I believe I mentioned this last week that it's division games, turnovers, penalties, and sometimes one or two plays on special teams can can sway the the game because especially Bears Packers, but but you can look across the NFL, division games, you know your opponent, you know the coaches, you know, you know what they're gonna do.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: It just comes down to who executes better.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it's those turning point type of plays.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: So we we begged, we pleaded for them to make sure that they won the turnover battle.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: They did it and then some.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: This was the most they've had.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: I I saw a stat.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna throw it out there because I forget the year, but it's been quite a while since they've had turnovers like that in a game.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they had three interceptions and two forced fumbles.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: They pulled Tyson Bajent, and Case Keenum came in and he threw a pick, too.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: So he threw a pick and then he had a fumble.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: It felt good.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: So it really was no different there.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh a few things that, in our opinion, kind of went wrong, things that need to get cleaned up.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: The missed kicks, it's pretty obvious.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: If you watch the game, you're thinking the same thing.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: We did win 31-7.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was a very comfortable, comfortable win.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: We had the lead, but you hate to see uh seven points left out there.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good day to have a bad day in in the kicking game.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but yes, it's it's starting to get a little bit uh you know frustrating.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Not not with Trey Smack or anything, just Packer fans in general.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, our kicking game, we've talked about it a hundred times already, since Mason Crosby, it's been unreliable to say the least.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's gonna get there.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was it was a rough day.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was a a rookie kicker, maybe overthinking, and it was brought up by the coaches that he kind of you know played in or thought about the wind, maybe a little more than he needed to.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think he tried to compensate on the one for sure.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: And the Bears, they missed one too.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: I believe it was the same end zone that Smack's kind of curled outside of the upright there.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe wind was a factor, but you can't blame the wind on all of them.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it it's something that I think I I don't have my confidence, isn't super shaken in in Trey Smack right now.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean no Cam Accord said today, too, everything's gonna be.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Be fine, like Trey's the guy.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're just gonna continue operating the way we have been.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: And he's made deep ones.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's all through preseason.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: You saw how consistent he is.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think he'll bounce back here, and we'll be fine.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: You can you can totally see in his makeup, like he he's played multiple sports, he's been a lacrosse player, like he's he's got mental toughness where sometimes kickers can be like relief pitchers or or pitchers in baseball that you know they're having a good game.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you always don't don't go talk to the pitcher, like keep him in his zone.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Kickers can sometimes be like that too.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of examples where, oh, you know, don't talk to the kicker, like don't get in his head because kickers are fragile.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: He seems like he, I mean, if he asked them to, he'd probably go play safety.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, and he would love it.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Not saying he would do it well, but he would do it.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with you.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think on the plus side, I'm glad this happened in week five and not end of season, week 14, 15 down the stretch.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: So get the gremlins out of the way now and figure it out, and I think we'll be all right.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right, get it out of the system now.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then one other thing that we just kind of wanted to point out the third down um conversion percentage, still low.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: They gotta find a way to convert some of those.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: And this week it wasn't like in the past couple weeks here where there have been some third and longs.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there were a couple.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, but um we got those.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but those are the ones we picked up.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think they just gotta find a way to stay a little more consistent on second down to be able to pick up some of those yards and make it a third and manageable and not you know, third and medium or third and long, third and eight, nine, ten.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: That you're you're asking for trouble doing that, both in turnover game and just you know, those are tough to pick up.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: The the further it is, the lower the percentage.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: And Matt LaFleur has been good.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, his Packer teams have been uh he led the league, I think, multiple times in third down conversions.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not, I don't think it's a play call issue.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like he knows how to get those those money downs.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan Love has been phenomenal.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: His first year starting, I think he led the league in third down, the third down, fourth down, like the the money down that it's described as uh you know, gotta have it plays.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure he was I know for sure he was top five.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: He may have led the league his first year starting.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: So it this is the same group of guys that are capable that have done it.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: So the the the ability is definitely there.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they're gonna clean it up because the last five weeks here we've been talking about the things they need to clean up, and they did it this game.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I have all the confidence in the world that they're gonna find a way to just be a little more effective on third down, and everything's gonna be alright.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, it's gotta be right.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we talked about it, you know.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you want to play well every week, and the losing sucks, you hate to lose, but if I had to pick, I'd rather go two and two in September and then four and oh in November and December, like Matt LaFleur has.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't have a problem.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: They're three and two, just like that.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: We jumped into second place because of now our division record.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Detroit hasn't played a division game, and Chicago's on one.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: We're one and one.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we were in last place three days ago, and now we're in second place, just like that.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, everything's looking up.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: One more thing we're gonna mention here just on last week's game.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we'll do some studs and duds here shortly.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Caleb Johnson, I know last week he had a fumble, and I think he's actually had two fumbles since he's been a member of the Packers.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: We lost the one last week.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think the other one we were able to recover.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Matt LaFleur had made a comment after the Tampa Bay game.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think the best remedy to fix this sometimes is just a nice solid benching.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: And we didn't see Caleb until the fourth quarter.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: So that I think he's a man of his word.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think you get to a certain point where you hate to bench a guy, you know, they they love the game, they compete, this is their job.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: These guys aren't trying to do this, they're not trying to make mistakes.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: But a little reminder of hey man, you know, if we are in a comfortable spot and we have a lead and there's no chance that a turnover is going to completely kill us, we'll get you in.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what happened when they were up.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: They got him in.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: He did have the biggest run of the day for us.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: He was our leading rusher.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: 23 yards, I think.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: That one was.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: I like Caleb Johnson.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: I like his build as an athlete.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's got a lot of the tools.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's going to be a part of this offense this year.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think he just had to be punished for a little bit there, and he was.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: So he's got to earn that trust back.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that football is the most important thing.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: When you're playing, you cannot give it away.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's not a lot of room in in a lot of NFL games.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: There's not room for mistakes.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: So if you make a mistake, that's costly.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: It ended up not, but it very well could have cost us the game in Tampa.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all it takes is another field goal there from Tampa, and it's a tie game, and we might be going overtime, or who knows how things swing there.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: We were lucky enough that it didn't cost us.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Especially I mean, that one in the red zone.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm two two yards.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I was just gonna say.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, not to harp on on a previous game, and especially one we won, but it was inside the five and on first down.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's unacceptable.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, hold on to the ball unacceptable for sure.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: Then that game is a lot more comfortable.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: We even we mentioned that one that the score wasn't indicative of how they actually played, but moving on.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: Studs and duds.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'll start off.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Deny Dennis Sutton.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think this guy is gonna give oh sorry, this guy is going to get a ton of more reps in the future here, the way he's been playing.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: The dentist will see you now.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: The dentist.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Did you come up with that yourself?
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: I wish I could say yes.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: I did I did see it.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: But I I think I told you before you saw it, so yes.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the dentist.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's gonna get a lot more opportunity here in the future.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: He had his best game as a pro.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's a rookie, so he's only played five games, but he was a bull in a China shot.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: He was all over the field playing aggressive, had a couple nice tackles in the backfield, had a sack.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: That fumble recovery had.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: I texted Cody in the middle of it.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was dying laughing because he's standing above him, clearly has the ball in his hand, and they're trying to fight for it.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: And he just he was not giving up the whistles, they were blowing, the refs were coming in, trying to break it up.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: He was not giving that ball up.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then when he got it, he had his little celebration and just kind of stomped off the field, and it it was awesome to see.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: So it was probably one of those things too.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like the TV broadcasts didn't necessarily do it justice.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: I I literally just had this thought.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: When we went to training camp, I made the comment, he is huge, he's massive.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: He it doesn't look like it on TV because everybody's fake, but like standing next to the guys, LVN is huge.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: He towered over him, like this is a big guy.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I just I had this thought that in person it was probably even funnier because this is the most you know massive human being on the field that is just almost picking up an offensive lineman by the ball because nope, this is mine, this is my first, you know, souvenir I can take from a game.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm taking this home with me.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how we got him in the fourth round.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how he slipped me either, and I don't care.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad 31 other teams decided to pass on him three times and we were able to get him.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: So at least three times.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: There were teams with multiple picks.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh next one, you want it or you want me to sure?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'll go next.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's gonna be a little bit of a twofer.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh both of our wide receivers, and when I say both, I mean one Christian Watson and one Matthew Golden.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they they could not be stopped.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: The the Bears could not cover either of them.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, whether it was scheme or one-on-one, it really didn't matter.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they both had over 120 yards.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Christian Watson, I believe, I forget how many catches.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have six?
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think they both had six.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Six.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Watson had six for one forty-three and two touchdowns, and Watson had or Golden, excuse me.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Golden had six for one twenty-three, didn't score, but he did he had a two-point conversion, which was a filthy play.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: He literally made the guy fall down.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was that was a sexy play.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Christian Watson, he's a bear killer.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: If you think about just his past performances against the Chicago Bears, I feel like, and I'm probably wrong here, but it feels like he has a touchdown at least every game against the Bears.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think you might be right on that.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: When he's healthy, which he has been, and I don't think there's anything slowing him down right now.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: So far, so good.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: He's tied for the league lead in receiving touchdowns with Jackson Smith and Jigba.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there's just been some lists that have been thrown out this week that the guys that he's on those lists with are insane.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like his, I think his through five weeks, the number like the catches and yards, he's on a list with Jay Rice.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: But we but we overpaid for him.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: We gave a terrible contract contract.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was so dumb.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Terrible.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Idiots.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I can't say enough about Watson.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: Just does everything right.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: His blocking, I think his blocking is high.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's gotten better this year.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I was gonna say the opposite from what I've seen.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think his blocking, uh not that it's been atrocious.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think just some of the plays I've seen, I think his blocking.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Not that he's giving up or getting completely like pancaked or like blown off the block.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's a little bit more to be desired from his blocking, from what I've seen, but maybe I'm wrong.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: I guess that's fair.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: I know he's he's always been a good blocker for us.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's been a good blocker, I think.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think this year it's been a few missed assignments.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: And that could be the case.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Even his dad has called him out on that on Twitter saying, Come on, Scoot, you gotta be better.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll give him a little bit of leeway there, I guess.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: But Matthew Golden as well, his ability to high point the ball, his his run after catch.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this guy.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: For a guy who's not that tall, you mentioned high pointing, to be able to go up and get it and literally pluck the ball out of the air.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't let it come down to him like he had a couple yet or on Sunday where he just he went and got it.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: He attacked the football, he went and got it.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: And for a guy who's six foot, I think.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: 5'11?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he he's not a your typical jump ball, go get it kind of guy that you would think of.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's just an athlete.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's good with the ball in his hands, he's good at catching.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know there's been some drop issues through the first couple weeks here, but I I'm not concerned.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think Matthew Golden is right where he needs to be.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: It it's unfortunate just seeing what he did now, you know, if they could have got the ball in his hands a little more last year, but there's a big learning curve as a rookie in the NFL, and I think he's trending in the right direction.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I will push back on that just a little bit, and I know I know you kind of agree with me on this anyway, but for those of you who are totally, you know, pounding the table, see, this is what we could have had.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: This, what he's doing now, is why the Packers treat their rookie receivers the way they did last year.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: They could have threw him in right away, and sure, the numbers obviously would have been better had he played more, but also that gives opportunity for more mistakes, and then the more mistakes you make, your confidence can get shaken.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: And now you have a receiver that is lacking confidence, and that leads to drops, that leads to fumbles, that leads to miss, you know, missed routes, missed whatever.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying that this happens all the time, but it it has happened and probably will happen again to a guy where all of a sudden the concentration goes, and then all of a sudden his confidence goes, and now, well, what am I even doing here?
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because I don't think I can do it, and now you don't think I can do it.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: And you see guys who literally their careers fizzle out, and I know that that's the extreme, but that that's the thing that the Packers try so hard to protect against.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, look at Devontae Adams.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: There are teams that absolutely would have given up on Devontae Adams.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was calling for us to give up on Devontae Adams his year two.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: He couldn't catch a cold.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, he dropped everything, and it was very much a conversation of is it time to give up on this guy?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I don't think that was the outside noise.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that you know Packers brass ever thought that, thankfully, because look at what he's turned into.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what makes it so much more enjoyable now.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you you give a guy that year, learn the offense, learn how what it is to be a pro, you know, just learning to live in Green Bay, too, you know.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of things going through a young guy's mind at that point.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's a great point.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: That is a very big aspect of this this tiny little town.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: So he's trending in the right direction.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I love what I see out of him.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited to to keep seeing more.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's got some swagger, and now his confidence is building.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: So honestly, we're just seeing the tip right now.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: He can be so much more.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: Our next stud Anthony Belton, two weeks in a row, is not allowed uh a pressure.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's correct.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: I saw that today and I was blown away.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: So he's he's our new right tackle, and he's gonna be until the end of the season, as long as at minimum.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if if he looks really good, and you know, this is a a huge injury for Baco Biwale and now a recurring one, uh, this is one that they're it's tough to come back from.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: But if you have a guy in Belton now that you can trust and and feel like you can lean on, I hate to say it, he either takes his job or at least it's a guy that now, next year, and moving forward with with ZBB, you can be patient.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: And hey, let's make sure you get all the way back.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Belton he's a mauler, he's a big dude.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: He's I don't want to say he looks uncomfortable at the right just his bodybuild and his size, he's not your typical Oh, he played tackle in college, didn't he?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: He did, yep.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I'm talking stupid here.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: But I I don't know.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: I just from what we saw throughout training camp and preseason, there was there were a lot of things he needed to clean up.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Penalties was a big one even last year when he was playing guard.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think there were some false starts and stuff, but he's kind of coming into his own right now.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's kind of figuring the position out, and he's been solid the last two weeks.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: So it's very interesting.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: You you were starting to bring up the just his size and stuff too.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's not really, I mean, there are teams and there's there's front offices that sort of have a mold and and the boxes that you want to check for your positions, all the positions, but especially along the offensive line, there's really not a a prototypical, you know.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: Some teams want more athletic guards, we wanted big guards.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't work.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of what I was getting at.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: I based on what he did last year, sorry not to cut you off there, but just based on his play at guard last year, seeing him get out in front of the running backs and just kind of putting guys on their backs, I I kind of just viewed him as a guard, and I think we all thought he was gonna be our starting right guard this season.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: So um where I where I was going with that was it it feels like there are teams and in recent memory for me, what I've sort of noticed typically teams look for the bigger guys to be your tackles.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: If if you're big and you can you have your lateral quickness and you can get in your kick drop and and move your body, guys or teams want those guys to be tackles.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: But then you know having a big guard, and like you said, he did look good in the run game.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: He struggled in pass pro as a guard.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: Technique is obviously very different uh between guard and tackle, so he he kind of struggled as a guard.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: He maybe had the body for for a big mauler that you know some teams look for.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: We looked for, wanted him there, wasn't as good at guard.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Moving back out to tackle, he looks a lot better.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the guy that we have on our practice squad that we just picked up, Mikai Becton, is the same body type.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think I mentioned this last week.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: They literally were that was Anthony Belton's pro comp was Mikai Becton because he's big and it was a tackle.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: Becton didn't he was drafted as a tackle, as was Belton.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: Becton didn't look great at tackle with Philly or the Jets, excuse me, and he got moved to guard and played a lot better as a guard, as a big guy.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that sort of throws the mold out the window, in my opinion, that it it depends on on what you want to run.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you want to make sure the player is comfortable in the position.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's part of the reason why most of the offseason he was prepped at tackle.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: Not that they were preparing for ZBB to get hurt.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: They did mention that that was sort of in the back of their minds.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: You don't really plan on well, I guess they kind of did.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Not that they didn't plan on him getting hurt.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: They were hopeful that he would play the full season, but it was definitely a gist-in-case.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you have to have a good backup plan, and that's why they were wrapping him there.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: So overall, solid two games for him here, and hopefully he keeps going in the right direction.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Jordan Love, you want to take this one?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: You can take Jordan Love.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'll take Jordan Love.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'll take the next one.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I will take Jordan Love all day.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: I will too.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know what else to say.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: This guy, he's everybody's been saying, well, he's not elite, or he's what do you guys have in Jordan Love?
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's not shut up.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like this game in general, like, he proved everything.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Just Jordan Love is awesome.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Jordan Love's amazing.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, awesome doesn't even do it do it justice.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: The the deep ball, it's one of his best tools in his arsenal.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's gotten, I mean, it's been known, I think, but he has definitely gotten a lot of national attention just in the day, two days since that game, that people are saying he's got one of the best, if not the best, deep ball in football.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: That was something he struggled with as a rookie, you know, even just seeing him in training camp as a rookie and throughout um preseason.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of his deep ball accuracy left a lot to he left a lot on the table, you know, under throwing guys, overthrowing guys, and I think he's got it pinpointed now to drop it right on him.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: And that throw to Christian Watson, I will remember that forever.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: Just the series of events that the third and twenty-two.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to get into that.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: Just a series of events, you know.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: First play, um, no call on uh pass interference from Christian Watson.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: Could have been.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: Next play, drops a freaking deep ball to J.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Sturdevant, which gets called back for offensive pass interference.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: Who made a great catch and should have been just hand fighting and hey, congratulations, kid.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Although I don't think he would have scored.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think he was short.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Either way, it was but it would have been a crazy catch, and yes, perfect throw.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then to cap it off, third and twenty-two, steps up in the pocket, just delivers a perfect ball to Christian Watson.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, great focus on Watson there to come down with that, but Love put it right on him, and just the whole game in general.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: I thought Love was he was calm, cool, collected.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: He he navigated the pocket, he got the right checks at the line.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: Real quick before we get off of that, did you see what Matt said about that third and 22?
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: I loved it.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: He said that uh, yeah, that was a rage call.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's just pissed off because he didn't think the play before was past interference, so he was mad, so he's like, We're going deep again.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: Just keep hitting it.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, Jordan Love, this is this is the man I want running the freaking team.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: He he does things that a lot of quarterbacks don't do.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I I don't know, I'm I mean we told you I'm struggling right now to just come up with my thoughts because uh I'm so amped up right now for him.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: So just for some context, Jordan Love was 25 for 31 for 367 yards and two touchdowns.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: If you're curious if that's a good game, I mean, yeah, it's pretty good, a lot of yards.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: Bears and Packers have been playing forever, right?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: Literally the oldest rivalry in football.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: That was the most yards any Packer has had against the Bears.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: Ever.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Magic Man, I mean, name them.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: Keep naming them.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's the most ever.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan Jordan Love was fantastic.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's top three right now in passing yards in the league.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_00: He is.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: He was second, but uh Stafford had a big game on Monday night, so Stafford is now the leader uh and Jordan is third.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's it goes Stafford, Jared Goff, and Jordan Love.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: Some pretty good names right there.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, keep doing you, Jordan.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's all we want.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: I just we've always been in your corner, so I'm struggling right now to just muster up a thought because I'm with you.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: That game was perfect, man.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: He I know we've had so many conversations with people from the time that he took over as a starter, where it's been a battle to get people to get on board.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, I hate to say it.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't hate to say it.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: I love to say it.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: We told you.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this guy is good.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, there was some rust that or not rust, but there was there were some things that needed to be cleaned up, but this guy is good.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: And guess what's coming up here soon?
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: Toyota Thon.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Toyota Thon.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: So for those of you that don't know, uh don't celebrate it.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that don't celebrate Toyota Thon.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, during the month of I think it's is it November, end of October, November?
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: Or is it November, December?
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's November into December.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: So Toyota, they do like their end of the year sales event and it's
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan Love has ridiculous numbers.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's known as Toyota on Jordan Love.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: I saw uh Colin Coward dubbed him uh Mr.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: October.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you know, it's not Reggie Jackson anymore.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's Jordan Love.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so Jordan Love.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then the last one, uh last stud we'll get into here.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, tip of the cap to the man running a ship.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's gotten a lot of flack lately, and you know, there's been some questions thrown out, and all this guy needs to be gone.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: Talking about one Matt LaFleur, I thought he had a fantastic game plan.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh great, great play calling.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: Play calling's been good for probably four of the five weeks, I would say, this year.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, play calling has been fine.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yesterday Sunday, excuse me, was was great.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a cherry on top.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's the best it's been all year.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then just going off of that, too, the execution.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this team looked prepared, they looked ready, they looked fired up to have their coaches back, like we mentioned earlier.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he he got the troops ready, and it was, I mean, yes, there was plenty to clean up.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: He has said as much, and I mean, you're always gonna say that there's always gonna be stuff that you can fix where it wasn't exactly how you wanted it.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: This was his best game plan and execution probably since they went into Detroit last year or the year before on Thanksgiving and last year for sure.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: And just lit up the Lions with a great game plan.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, this one I think maybe even tops that.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, credit to him too, for I know it was a division rival, and there's some bad blood there, but he didn't take the foot off the gas at all.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, he didn't.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: They kept scoring, they kept scoring.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: I like the two-point conversion call there.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: You go up by what, 24 points?
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that that made it have to be three touchdowns and three two-point conversions.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: That the likelihood of that is almost zero.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: And if they were to do it, tip the cap to them.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: So then we'd have been having a different conversation, but yeah, I'm with you, man.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: I I respect the coach.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's definitely the the locker room's in a perfect spot.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: I know there's been a lot of talk lately saying, like you said earlier, he's lost the locker room.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: This guy needs to be fired.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think you put all that to bed at at least for a little bit of an extended period of time.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, some duds.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: We don't have many because it was a really good game overall.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely was.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: Trace Mac talked about it earlier, gotta be better.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Sucks that we left seven points out there.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's gonna be a trend, but we had to put him on the duds list just because out of all the players that we looked at and all that stuff, he was the one that kind of left a lot out there.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: So that's our dud.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: The other one is uh end of half execution.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I you may have mentioned this earlier, so I apologize if we're repeating ourselves here, but I don't think I did.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I did.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: So this is at least the second time that we can remember where the Packers got the ball back right at the end of half.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um in a really good spot for an opportunity at getting points.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, they had the ball, good punt return.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: They got the ball across midfield with it was like 30 seconds to go, but they had a time, they had two timeouts, and they only needed, you know, maybe a first down, not even, to be able to try a long field goal, which we mentioned before, kids got a leg, so was well within range at that point.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um second time that we can remember where they didn't even get to pass off.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan Love took a sack.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: They Matt LaFleur was asked about not taking a timeout there.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, hindsight, yeah, he probably should have, and he said as much.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: So it it is what it is.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't do it, but that end of half and two-minute situations need to be better.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: That that could end up being a big, you know, big point in a playoff game where you can double up, or all of a sudden you you need that points, those points, and it's a couple times now where they've fallen short.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not much more to be said on that.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with you.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's unfortunate that they weren't able to capitalize 10-15 yards.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you're looking at uh a manageable field goal for a kid that's got a leg.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he'll fix it.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: So uh we'll hop into Dallas here.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: A little Dallas preview, Sunday night football coming up.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: Excited for this one.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's gonna be a good one.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: The Cowboys are coming off uh pretty disappointing loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they're gonna be, yeah, that they're gonna be hungry because they probably a game they'll tell you they should have won.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Tampa played awesome last Thursday.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: They did.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: It was a good, good showing by them.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, not to take anything away from Tampa, but they were 0-5 or 0-4, excuse me.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: We had just beat them, you know, ugly.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: And and Dallas couldn't get it done.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, they're definitely gonna be hungry coming in.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't sound like Micah will be back.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: He's not gonna practice this week.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: I know this one was one that was circled, at least by him or you know, maybe some people that Dallas was one that would would have been cool.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'm okay with this.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: It would be great to have him back, obviously.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: I want him to be back as Micah when he comes back.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're still not used to him.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll admit, you know, it still feels weird to see him in a Packer jersey.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like it almost feels like it's a promo for something and not, you know, this superstar on our sideline.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so I'm not I'm not upset.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's it does get frustrating.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not frustrated with anybody.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it this is something that you want to make sure you get right.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: They just sign him to a monster contract extension.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: This is more than a this year situation.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: So zero blame, zero anything with the Packers taking it slow, with Micah taking it slow.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: Love that he wants to come back to be the same guy.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think he's been pretty clear about it since day one.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know there was the initial social media post last season after he got the surgery done on the knee where there were some comments made, you know, are you gonna be ready week one?
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think he might have he wanted to be.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: But I think him, himself, and just anybody close to him, they've made it pretty clear, you know, we're looking at probably week eight or week nine.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think uh Brian Gudekunst may have made some comments that led people to believe that it might be sooner.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it just it it is what it is.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm with you.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: He needs to be a hundred percent, he needs to be Micah Parsons.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want him coming back early and re-injuring something.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want him to be out there questioning the moves he's making and just the effort he's putting in because he doesn't feel like himself.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: So if you've ever had a major knee injury, I've had a handful.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a long time to be able to trust it, even even once you start feeling good to be able to trust it to make the same type of movements that you're used to and that you've done in the past, and and some guys, this kind of goes for me, never get it back.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so yes, I want to make sure that he is totally comfortable and and good to go.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: Thankfully, we've we've held it down.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, L van has played good.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_00: He he didn't have a sack, uh, he didn't have a ton of statistical you know plays from from Sunday, but he looked fine again.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he he looked like his normal self that he has been all year.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: So with between him and DDS now and Barron Sorrell and Brenton Cox looked really good, like we're we're okay.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think if the defense shows up like they did last week against Chicago, if they show up like this against Dallas, we're gonna be in a good spot.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: I know Dallas has two stud wide receivers.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: Probably the best receivers we're gonna see this year as a combo.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, not to take anything at all away from Minnesota with JJ and Jordan Addison.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Detroit, you know, has got Amon Ra and Jmo.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: These guys might be the two most complete, however, at as a duo.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: So it's gonna be an uphill battle to to keep them at bay.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think the one thing that we do have going, their defense is not playing very well.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: I believe they're giving up the most points in a league.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they have their corners, their their corners are and safeties are probably better than what Chicago has at this particular moment.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but they are giving up a ton of points and a ton of yards.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: Something to look uh forward to.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: So Joey Porter Jr.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_01: just got traded there.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm assuming he's gonna play this week.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: Did he play last week?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he did.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's he's played since he got there.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: Are you sure?
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: Are you sure?
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: He may have been hurt on Thursday.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for some reason I was under the impression he didn't play last week.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe against Tampa he didn't.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: That that does sound right.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: But the first week that he got traded there, he did play a little bit.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, either or you got a guy who is in a new system, he's just kind of getting getting uh things figured out, and I think there may be an opportunity, especially with the deep ball.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all it takes is you know one slip up, and next thing you know, Christian Watson's 10 yards ahead of you, and you got Jordan Love dropping the ball in.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: And Matthew Golden, who honestly might be faster, right?
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, that the their defensive backs, they're good.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: Better than Chicago's, but that hasn't slowed us down.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think if you can keep the explosive plays coming, I believe we lead the league in explosive plays.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna say this isn't some fluky thing that just happened because we found a weakness.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: The Packers are are leading the league in explosives.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, let's see, I have it written down here somewhere.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um They they were leading the league.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_00: Where did it go?
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: 38 explosives coming into week five.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: So that was even before this week where they had a ton more.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the explosives are defined as a rush of 10 or more yards and a pass of 20 or more.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan did that on one drive, I think.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: He had about 30 of them, it feels like.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so yeah, they were leading the league coming in um to last to week five, and they all they did was add to that.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not like this was some accident, and like I said, oh, we found a weakness when we're gonna change what we do and attack it.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they want to do.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: So if you keep the explosive, keep Dallas on their heels, big chunk plays, I think we're gonna be in a really good spot.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: If this game turns into a shootout, last year it was a shootout, and I think we were the ones that were you know fighting to keep up.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: That was the the stupid tie last year in in Dallas on Sunday night.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: Now we're Sunday night back at home.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if it gets into a shootout, I think we are the ones that are gonna be better equipped to keep pace just because of the defense.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: Not saying that we have a better offense and and anything like that.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: Dallas absolutely has a very good offense.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's at Lambeau, too, so I think that helps.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: Last year we played him in Dallas.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think we hopefully have a better opportunity at being able to get an extra stop or two compared to what Dallas maybe will.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um another big thing, I think, just keep playing clean football.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, win the turnover battle.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: Don't take the stupid penalties that put you in third and long.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um just just be smart.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they they fixed the drops last week.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't think we had any.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: There was one, but was there one?
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Bo Melton, it wouldn't have gotten a first down, it was a third down.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um I wouldn't even classify it as a drop.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: So just play clean football.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: Keep trending in the right direction on all these little things that you've been trying to fix.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: You stay ahead of the sticks and get third and short instead of third and long, and that percentage is gonna keep going up.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then also just run the ball just enough to keep the defense honest so you can run in your play action sets.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: You can, you know, expose them and get those explosive plays.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's how most of our explosives came last week was play action.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: Jordan Love's great the bootleg play to Tucker Kraft, I think.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that was pretty.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody went left except for Tucker Kraft.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: Jordan Love bootlegged to the left and then threw across the field to the right.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: They've run that play before, yeah, and it's one of my favorites.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: So we might see Kevin Zeitler at right guard this week.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: I know he played a few special team snaps against Chicago.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure exactly what they're gonna do with that right guard because Travis Glover's been playing decent enough to, you know, make him feel comfortable.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: He was.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I do think that this this week he did have enough like almost uh-oh moments.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um there was the big one to Matthew Golden where the ref fell down in the middle of the field.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Jordan got blown up, and Travis Glover got beat quick on that one.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he's been fine in the run game, and he they've been able to sort of go left, get him pulling.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he's he's been doing pretty well at that.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think you brought Kevin Zeitler in for a reason, though.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking he's gonna be a starter this week.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I would agree with that.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he's also so this is something too to take into account.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: Kevin Zeitler has never played in the Sean McVay, Matt LaFleur, you know, Shanahan offense.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: So he's learning the playbook.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: Lakin Tomlinson started day one.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's been in that offense.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_00: He was in it in San Francisco for a while.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he was in it in Houston.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: D'Amico took it with him there.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: So it was just putting on a different jersey for for Lakin Tomlinson.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: Kevin Zeitler's got to learn how to you know know the playbook.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: Operating the system.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: So it might take a little bit longer.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: Physically, he's probably there, which is awesome, but it there's a little bit more to it than that.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: And Travis Glover definitely earned the right to start again if Zeitler wasn't quite ready.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_00: So now this will be going into their third week of practice now with Zeitler running with the offense.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I would agree.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think we'll probably see him on Sunday night.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's my prediction.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and just keep getting pressure on defense.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: They've been really good at you know, just getting to the quarterback and our run defense in general, too, has been very good.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_01: A lot, a lot of havoc in the backfield.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very, very much negative plays.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: You take out that Bijan game against Atlanta, and I believe we're top ten.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_00: So they've they've done a very good job at holding opposing teams down, definitely well below their average.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think the Bears had like 80 something, but they've been averaging like 150 a game.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: So to keep them under 100 was big.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm looking forward to this one.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: I I feel very confident.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying that everything's fixed after a big win against the Bears, but I feel much more comfortable.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_01: I I've seen what we can do when we're operating at full set full strength and when this offense is, you know, what it what we knew it was.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm predicting a win against Dallas.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: I feel really good about it.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's gonna be uh a back and forth, and if it does, I agree with what you said.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think it favors us this time, but I I got a win for us this week.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: I believe so too.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's uh that's what we predicted to start the year.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna stick with not sticking or uh giving point predictions.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: I do think it it will be a win Sunday night, Lambo under the lights.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_00: Now we got a little mojo, a little momentum, you know, feeling a lot better about ourselves.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_00: Atlanta, it's it's definitely possible we overlooked Atlanta.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: Atlanta looked awful to start the year.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then they got Michael Penix back, and I think that was you know, that that was humble pie.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_00: They got punched in the mouth.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: They weren't expecting Atlanta to come out swinging like they did, and I think it they just took them by surprise.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think they'll be much more ready for Dallas.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it's two wins in a row for us.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like you said, we're we're kind of building momentum, and then we got Detroit coming up, another division opponent.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm feeling good.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: If we can pull this win off against Dallas, I'm feeling really good.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: And especially if it's the same caliber a win as it was against the Bears, I'm feeling really good about Dallas.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, if our offense looks even similar, I would agree because the two teams that give up the most yards and points are the Cowboys and the Lions.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: So we definitely have a chance to get this freight train rolling.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, not not saying it's a guarantee, it's not an automatic, but if you look at the numbers and just look at it on paper, like you said, definitely feeling a lot better than we were even a week ago.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_00: So let's uh let's keep that rolling here and as always go pack go.