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3 - Aliens! ...and Elizabeth Taylor? (Have we been visited by aliens?) · Arguing Ever After

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Welcome to Arguing Ever After. My name is Luke and this is my
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arguingeverafter@gmail.com. Perhaps this completely
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unscientific method of letting the masses decide who is right
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can settle your fight too, before you even have it.
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So today we were discussing things considered in the
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category of woo woo, according to Amber.
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That's my category. For it, yes, which includes many
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things which we will probably have podcasts about in the
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future. Absolutely, but today the
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question was about extraterrestrial life.
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Aliens. Yay, aliens.
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So we both have probably lots of opinions on it and I'm sure you
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all do too. So we thought we would just have
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a little discussion about what the truth is about them.
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Yes, the truth. The the truth I for myself have
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been, as I'm sure many people have been interested in
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extraterrestrial life for a very long time because it's been part
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of pop culture since, well, at least since I was born and
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probably since most of the people watching this podcast
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have been born, going back as far as at least the first big
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deal one for our country was Roswell, which was in the 50s.
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Yes, yes. And it has been covered with all
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kinds of, you know, those videos people put up.
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And it's like, what is that? Well, why does it look so
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unnatural? Do you remember the storming of
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Area 52? Is that what it's called?
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Oh my God, 51. 51 stop it. Do you remember though?
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I think it was during like 2021 where Area 51 everybody was like
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let's storm it. Yeah, it was a flam storm do.
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Remember that they were going to like go take over.
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Yeah, yeah. I don't know what happened to
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that. I remember either, I don't know
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if I saw it or heard it, but I remember something about like 20
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people of the theoretically planned thousands.
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Hundreds of thousands. Showed up to like one of the
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gates and there were guards there and they were like, this
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is an active military base, do not cross that line and then
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they were left. I know, but they were like, you
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can't stop us all. It's like sad when you plan a
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party and nobody shows up. Yes, the poor sad folks.
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The poor alien lovers. You've got to wonder though,
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what would they have found? I mean, I think it's pretty
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clear what they would have. Found Oh is it?
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Weather balloons. Weather balloons, of course,
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other things that have put aliens and extraterrestrial life
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into the the mainstream have been like movies and comics and
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TV shows. And it's probably one of the
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most popular things I would guess that people watch and look
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at. There's a whole category of it.
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Sci-fi is largely based around things like that, shows like
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Star Trek and obviously movies like all the Marvel movies.
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Independence Day. Most of the DC and Marvel
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Comics. Independence Day is a great
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example. I saw that movie a few times.
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That was a big deal back in the. So I like the only sci-fi you
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liked ever. I like men in black.
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OK, see there's another one. I.
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Mean Will Smith is. Pretty so far.
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Will Smith, We've got two of those.
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Yep. Also he was in Hancock where he
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was. I didn't see it I.
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Don't know if he was an extraterrestrial, he was a God
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of some sort. OK, I'll trust.
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Spoiler alert, the movie came out 20 years ago.
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I feel like if the movie is been like streamed online for free
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for more than five years, if you haven't watched it, you probably
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don't care. To me, I have not watched that
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movie and I don't care to. But I will say I have listened
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to lots of conspiracy theory podcasts and I've watched my
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fair amount of TV documentary. Oh God, we'll get into that in a
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second, Documentaries about things like Area 51.
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And there have been a few others that they've talked about pretty
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hard that has to deal with aliens.
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Because I want to get on board with the conspiracy theory.
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I love conspiracy theories. I just don't see it.
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I don't see it. I see that.
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I don't see the proof that people feel that they see.
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For a long time at night, we would watch The History Channel
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and there was always this one guy out in there.
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And every time I'd wake up in the middle of the night, he
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would be talking about something.
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He'd be like, it wouldn't matter what it was.
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He'd be like, oh, what was Jesus?
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Jesus was an alien. Oh, what was the Egyptian
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pyramids about? Oh, it's aliens.
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Oh, but the, you know, I mean just everything that.
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Was the guy with the hair? With the wild hair, Yes.
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And I'm sure he was. I don't, I have no idea.
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But I mean, I'm like, oh, no matter what it is, they're like,
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oh, what about the starvation, the Dust Bowl, aliens,
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everything. It didn't matter.
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As soon as you saw him, you're like, I thought I was watching
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an actual documentary. Nope, I'm watching an alien
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show. Maybe it was more like a
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docudrama. I have no idea, but I knew the
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moment I saw him. Because there was historical
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things that actually occurred. Yes.
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Documentary style. Yes.
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But maybe, maybe there's a little dramatization.
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He was the drama. There's been a couple of those
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and for what it's worth, they're always popular.
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So I think, I think everyone might have a little bit of that
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question mark. I don't necessarily understand
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how everything can come back to aliens.
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So what when you say that we're beyond just since the 1950s when
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we've had little green men and, and all of those things, What,
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what else? What else have you thought had
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some value? What do you mean value?
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In thinking about is it possible?
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I mean, it's all sort of the the great question, you know, like,
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are we alone? And I think it's a question that
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everybody sort of asks so. I would never ask that question
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if it wasn't on TV. But I think, but my point is
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that it like it's always been there, like longer than we've
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been alive. So I think it's actually fair to
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say that most people, at least for the last, I, I guess, I
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don't know, a time for maybe 100 years, maybe it's more than
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that. I mean, you know, thousands
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maybe. People have probably looked up
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at the stars and wondered, well, what if?
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I I'm sure some people, but I don't look at the stars and
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wonder what if. Well, you might be in the
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minority. I understand I have an unpopular
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opinion. This I truly get.
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I just don't, I don't see the correlation.
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And when people like we were talking about the history stuff,
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right, like everything on The History Channel and how they
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would go back and look at things and say, you know, well, aliens
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must have been involved, pyramids, right?
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Humans couldn't possibly have figured out how to align
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whatever it was to the stars. Like we just couldn't do it.
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I feel like that's just so egotistical of us today.
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Like for us to think that we have the the apex of knowledge
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and that all of these people 10s of thousands of years ago
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couldn't possibly know first. Of all, it's not 10s of
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thousands of years ago for talking about the pyramids.
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OK, I'm not just talking, I'm saying, OK, sure.
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OK. But like whenever you go back in
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time, like it's not possible that people could have done
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Stonehenge or it's not possible that people could have done crop
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circles and all of these things, like whatever the time period
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is. What I'm saying is it's pretty
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bonkers of us to think that we couldn't have, you know, I mean,
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there's. Well, I mean, that's, that's
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largely because the level of technology required and the
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reason the things you've brought up have been questioned is
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because for their time frame, they were so far away and ahead
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of the technologies available at the time that moving just using
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one of the pyramids as an example, moving one of the
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blocks there. I don't even know the numbers
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because I'm not an expert, which is called an Egyptologist.
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Yes, but like, I think they weighed some ridiculous thing
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like 10,000 tons or something like that.
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And like, at the time, the only technology that they had was
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like basic stuff like wheels and levers.
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And like, they didn't have pneumatic equipment, they didn't
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have hydraulic pressure. They didn't have like, it was
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just man. What about the Baghdad Battery?
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They did have technology. Sure, to light a lamp and create
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electricity or whatever. But that knowledge was lost.
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Sure it was, but it's been rediscovered and.
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Again. I mean to your point, OK, So if
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we're talking about technology, then so if you're suggesting
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there was a technology. I'm suggesting the knowledge and
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capability and manpower was there.
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Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting.
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Well, clearly something happened.
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Yeah, the pyramids are real, Yeah.
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I mean, but for us to think that we didn't, that humans couldn't
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have come up with anything like that just because our vision
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based on again, media is that they were so primitive.
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I think that's. What's that based on the media?
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Well, sure. But when you think of ancient
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Egypt, what do you think of? I mean, it's pretty primitive,
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but they were super smart. I mean, think about the
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libraries of Alexandria, right? We don't know what was lost and
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all of that. They could have had all the
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schematics and all of the ways that, hey, this is how we did
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it. I mean, it was, it was all the
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knowledge. From Aliens.
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I I mean. Is it just that you need to like
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have concrete proof proof of it? Yes, OK.
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Yes, concrete how? Does Bluetooth work?
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I don't know, but I know that it does.
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How does Wi-Fi work? I don't know, but I know that it
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does. I'm just saying, like these
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things are, I don't know. There's that saying that any
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sufficiently advanced technology would, like make you think it
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was from an alien, or that it was magic.
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I've never heard the say this is not a common sense.
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No one said this before. Somebody's watching who's
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probably like more in the know than I am, but there's something
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like that. So if I just start saying
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something's a saying, then it's a no.
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It really is. It's any.
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Any. Sufficiently advanced.
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Technology is considered is it maybe it's magic, It's something
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like that because like, well, if you just think about like, OK,
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let's say you time traveled because we're on the woo woo so.
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That's that's another Oh. Don't.
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But let's say you time traveled not too far back in the future
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where people would be like. Back to the Future.
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Another sci-fi. But let's say you traveled back
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in time and not too far back and.
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Like yesterday. You brought just a camera, let's
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say, like it doesn't have to be like a smartphone or whatever.
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You just brought a camera like a Polaroid that could develop its
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own to like, I don't know, 1500 where you're not, you're far
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back, but you're not like in the stone ages, you know, you're
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like, at least people were living in houses at this point.
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You know, some places have running water, you know, So you
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bring back a camera that may be perceived as magic or
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unexplainable because the technology would be that far
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advanced. That's.
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I understand and I can see this in one of my very favorite
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movies. Talking about the.
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Sayings. This isn't the topic at hand,
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but it's fine. It's one of my very favorite
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movies where called Hocus Pocus and the Boy tricks the witches
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with a zippo lighter so I understand the theory.
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They thought that was magic. I get that theory.
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The witches thought the boy was a witch.
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Yeah, I get the theory of bringing an item back in time.
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Sure. I mean, and that will be a
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discussion that we will have when we discuss time travel,
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which I promise. Or witches.
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We will discuss. Are we talking about?
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Witches all at May. Hey, we might.
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However we're at aliens. We're not at time travel.
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I don't think that they go in hand in hand.
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What if they do? Though they might, however, it's
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just the existence of advanced extraterrestrial life forms.
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Because I don't think we're talking about blobs or
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unthinking like dodo birds. I don't, you know what I'm
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saying? Like, I don't think that I mean.
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First of all, that's offensive to the dodo community.
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I. Apologize, sorry it's wrong.
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I will do some research and become more empathetic to your.
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Glorious, glorious bird that's extinct.
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But the pictures based on the bones and the yeah look, they
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look great. So, I mean, I don't even
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remember where it was going with that.
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However, I think that's the question, is there smart life
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form? You know that that's what we're
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talking about, not magic. Not just extraterrestrial life.
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Extra extraordinary, yes, Because that would be the
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concept, right? That they came here and they
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were smarter than us. So that's what we're discussing,
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not magic. Smarter is a good question too,
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because technologically advanced if they'd arrived here,
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certainly. Yeah, they'd have.
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But maybe not smarter, maybe like just they had better tech
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or something. Maybe they were worse.
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Well. How do you get the technology
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without being smarter? I'm not an alien.
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That's. What you say?
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Well, I actually really trust you 100% as far as.
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I know. I mean, it's pretty true.
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Oh, so then there's the people who believe that like, aliens
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are walking amongst us. Yes, do you think?
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I mean, I'm not going to rule it out.
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OK, there are people that think that there's like certain blood
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types that is alien DNA and. That's because you have it.
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I have this specific blood type that is said to have alien DNA
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and I'm going to tell you, well, I might be smart.
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I don't know if I have this extraordinary intelligence that
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is claimed from for aliens. I wish I had the lizard blood
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that you have. Yeah, well, you, you don't.
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And I just. Reminds me of a great great
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movie where the aliens were lizards called Buckaroo Bonsai
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and something something the 8th dimension and the aliens were
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lizards and the chief alien was named Doctor Lizardo.
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Wow, Was this like a blockbuster hit?
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No, no, that's quite one of those.
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What is it, B movies? Is that?
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What? Oh, for sure.
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OK. And I feel like that's from.
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The 80s someone recommended it to me because it was AB.
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They were like it's the finest B movie ever made.
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Well, and I I also recall that you had an obsession with a
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Stargate. Oh yes, fantastic.
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The movie which turned into a amazing TV show, which lasted
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for many, many years, which turned into like three other
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movies. I don't know.
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There was a lot in there. That also had to deal with like
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aliens coming and showing us stuff and or am I?
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Had a lot to do with the pyramids as well.
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Yeah. That's the thing.
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Why do we think that we that we couldn't have done that back
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then? We think.
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About lots of things, you know, I mean we.
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Lost a lot, so much older than any of the like, I guess I don't
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know. I mean, I could, I'm not in, in
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that, in that community, but like it's there, it's like 5000
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BC, you know, give or take. So that's so far behind or older
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than what we consider to be like the modern civilization.
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Yeah, although there was a really big time I think where
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Brute was winning over brains, right.
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Like think of a lot of the western expansion and it didn't
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matter what people thought it was like, hey, we just we have
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weapons and we don't care about you.
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So very primitive in how you know the and we won 6. 1000
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years after that though. Sure, but we get real really
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dumbed down. I mean, OK, that's why it's you
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said why? I'm just saying that's why
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'cause it's so far back. I mean like the expansion of
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Rome, which could be the argument for western expansion.
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Yes yes was 5000 years later but or close to it.
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OK, I'm not a historian. Wasn't that one like?
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I apologize to all the historians out there, including
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my father. Any fact checkers out there?
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You are going to have so much fun with us because there's.
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So we don't know what we're talking.
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About that, we don't. We're not checking this stuff
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out. It's from whatever is, you know,
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reaching in the back of our brains, you know, some
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something, you know, some light bulb that's turning on.
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So we enjoy it. You don't need to correct us
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because we know that we're 90% wrong.
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Oh, it might be less than that. OK.
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Yeah, with the sprinkling of actual facts that we can
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remember, but somewhere in there so.
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I like sprinkles. Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, we're, we, we like the shiny, but we do we recall bits
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and pieces of things. So, but don't come at us.
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It doesn't matter. It's not going to change our
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opinions and we won't at least I, this goldfish brain won't
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remember what you told us for it to be fact.
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It's still going to not swim in there.
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So I'm just going to say that as I really can't remember what we
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were talking about, except for, Oh, timelines.
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You were talking about timelines And, and I I know what what I
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think I know is that you had the pyramids and then you had Rome,
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but in there like I was talking about with that library in
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there, the Romans, I believe Julius Caesar burnt down those
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libraries. Or that's a theory or something.
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I. You're thinking of the movie
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with Elizabeth Taylor. Great movie.
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Oh my God and she was gorgeous when they.
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If you haven't seen it, spoiler alert it's from like 60 years
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ago. Maybe not, but it's pretty old.
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But she came rolling out of this carpet like it's a part of the
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story. And if you know a lot about it,
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it makes sense. But oh, she was gorgeous.
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Oh my God. And the costuming in that movie.
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Wonderful. So but this is.
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Where she wasn't from Africa. That's true.
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That's true. I mean.
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But she was Elizabeth Taylor. She was Elizabeth Taylor, so if
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you're looking for an old movie that you haven't seen, go watch
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Cleopatra if you are. Looking for?
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Unless you want to watch a movie about aliens, then they have
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some other recommendations for you.
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If you're looking for a movie that you have seen and you're
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like, I forgot how great that like that was a huge cost, like
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the cost of that movie. Oh, it was beautiful.
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So anyhow, you should you should watch it.
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That's my recommendation on alien movies.
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There's no aliens. Involved.
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Good. Yes, Yeah, you got a little off
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to the side. I really did.
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But you know, I I love Elizabeth Taylor.
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So so don't don't put that don't open that door for me.
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However, like if that's the timeline and again, they were
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using brute force in their takeover of the world.
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Sure. And it was very purposeful.
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Again, remember, I am a conspiracy theorist that only a
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few kept the knowledge and share this stuff.
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They didn't want the masses to know things.
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So, you know, whatever they would have burned down because
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like, hey, if I'm the only one who knows it, you can't use it
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against me. I think that there's something
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to that. So I'll just put that out there.
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But I guess, I guess. Well, Luke, let me ask you a
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question. And now, the moment you've all
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been waiting for in this corner, we have Amber claiming to weigh
23:32
in at 135 lbs with two wins and 0 losses, which is really
23:39
unfortunate for me. By the way, she has over 25
23:42
years of practice in the art of insignificant lovers spats and
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is armed with her amazing wit, which she will need today.
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And in this corner we have Luke as prime weight of 185 lbs with
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his beautiful red beard. He has zero wins.
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That's sad. And two losses which might
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change today. It might be a turn around for
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you. Let's hope so.
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Because, Luke, let me ask you a question.
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Do you honestly believe that aliens have walked the planet
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Earth amongst us humans? Here's the deal.
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I believe I would for for sure not rule it out and I would even
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say that it's likely and I would even go so far as to like bet on
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that it has happened. The difficulty could be in
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proving it. I don't know about the like walk
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amongst us thing because that might be a little.
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Or are they just flying amongst us?
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Little spaceships? I believe that to be the case,
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yes. Do you disagree?
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I do. I do.
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I believe you've established some of your points.
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Why don't I give you some counters?
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I'd love to hear them. Prove me wrong, Luke.
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I would, I would love to. OK.
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So first of all, you do have all the speculative information
25:27
that's out there that most of us have probably been Privy to at
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some point or another, most of you watching both of us.
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Obviously we've talked about some of the shows, better
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documentaries or docudramas, things that are unexplained.
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I think that's the name of one of the shows.
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Actually. It might be called unexplained,
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and there have been numerous over the course of our modern
25:50
history reports from all over the world of congruous events
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that were similar in times when information was not so easily
26:05
exchanged. You mentioned crop circles.
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I think those are for the most part of silly hoax, but there
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have been reports of similar like unexplained things like
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UFOs, which are now called some other acronym like that.
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We're doing the same thing in Europe that they were doing in
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the US So that's just something. Then you have all of like the
26:38
amateur footage of things they didn't understand.
26:43
Much of these things have been gone through on these
26:46
documentaries where they're trying to find out what's going
26:49
on using a scientific method of trying to prove it wrong and not
26:53
being able to, which doesn't necessarily mean that it's true,
26:57
but it doesn't make it untrue. Now the most recent development
27:05
of this has actually been from the US government and not just
27:12
like a one off like info dump on a bunch of different stuff.
27:18
One of the more wider known ones because I know about it so
27:24
obviously it's wider known if I found out about it was footage
27:30
from high resolution cameras in American fighter jets over the
27:36
ocean. I saw that footage.
27:40
That was classified for like a long time, like 10 years or
27:45
something that the Pentagon released and said, yeah, we
27:50
don't know what this was. And it's certainly beyond any
27:54
Earth technology from the Pentagon.
27:57
And that's not an isolated incident or report.
28:01
So a large part of my argument to you would be that if in the
28:06
last five years, the most militarized government of the
28:12
modern era, being the United States, is going to come out
28:16
with real footage from classified documents and say
28:20
this is legitimately unexplainable, why would they do
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that after so long in secrecy? What?
28:29
Why would they do that? Yeah, OK, again, remember I am a
28:33
little bit of a conspiracy theorist because keeping the
28:37
masses afraid keeps them controllable.
28:41
And what is more terrifying than little green men coming down
28:45
from Mars to possibly mess with our human population?
28:50
Actually, I would say that is why they did it.
28:54
And when you look at it right, so you look at history and how
28:58
it you know, politics, governments, they like to figure
29:03
out ways to mold the society is how they want it right.
29:07
We know this, of course. And if you look at when these
29:11
big times of like like the 50s and I don't remember what else,
29:15
but especially the 50s, there were a lot of reports coming out
29:18
at the same time, starting in little pockets, right?
29:20
And they're like, oh, I saw, I saw an alien ship.
29:24
And then the next day someone else would be like, Oh, I need
29:26
to say I saw an alien ship too. And like, it just goes like
29:29
that. And like there's this mass
29:31
hysteria about about aliens and but it's a lot of times pretty
29:36
localized to these mass hysterias.
29:39
I don't think that that's proof that there is an alien there.
29:41
It's just proof that maybe maybe someone down the road got a
29:49
newspaper article written about them and they're like, well, I
29:52
want to be like that person. I want a newspaper article
29:55
written about me too. Or it could be very scientific
29:59
reasons, like maybe they had bad water, you know, So I'm just
30:04
saying there's, there's lots of bad.
30:06
Water. Yeah.
30:08
And so they're all, you know, seeing stuff that doesn't
30:12
belong, you know? So everyone's hallucinating.
30:15
That's the word I was looking for, yes, Right, Yes, yes.
30:18
But I mean, I think that that is also a possibility.
30:22
I also just really think that people, societies come up with
30:32
things together and it builds upon itself to become these
30:37
myths which become facts to people.
30:40
Not true, but it was a myth. Enough people talked about it,
30:45
It became a fact. So I have certainly, like I
30:50
said, listen to many things about aliens, you know, and, and
30:54
whether or not they exist and, and the concepts of people who
30:57
say that they saw it, you know, and there'd be like one guy who
31:02
said on his deathbed, one guy, oh, can I?
31:06
Finish with that. Who on his deathbed would be
31:08
like, I saw something strange and the Pentagon said they'd
31:11
kill me if I said anything, you know.
31:13
Well, you know, I would probably do something like that too if I
31:18
was dying like here. Let's give somebody a mystery.
31:20
Why not? I'm leaving.
31:22
What do I care? You know, I sure, sure.
31:24
I saw a little 3 foot tall man who had grey skin in a in a
31:29
spaceship and I and I read him his final whatever The thing is
31:33
that a priest reads to his final rites, you know, yes, last
31:38
rites. Gosh, I should know that anyhow,
31:40
I did that for him, you know, and I and since I'm a priest, I
31:44
can't lie, which is not always the truth either.
31:47
So I'm just saying that I without tangible physical proof,
31:54
which we've never had. And if it existed like at Area
32:02
51 when the Pentagon was like recently said that those were
32:07
things and we can't explain it. I don't know if they said,
32:10
because I didn't watch it that hard.
32:12
I saw the video and I said, I don't see what you think is so
32:15
amazing. It could just be something dumb
32:17
like that. Someone's got a laser light.
32:19
I just, it really didn't look like out of this world to me,
32:23
honestly. And now especially like when you
32:27
think about CGI and people like, well, it couldn't have been a
32:30
hoax. Well, absolutely, it could be a
32:31
hoax. There's so many things that are
32:33
hoaxes. From the government.
32:36
I don't yes, yeah, yes. The government never releases
32:41
hoaxes. We could go on all another
32:44
podcast about that government and don't watch this.
32:51
I I do think though, that there's there's a bunch out
32:54
there that does not have any proof.
32:57
It's just stuff, you know, it's something that someone made good
33:03
stories. And, you know, like with Area
33:06
51, who knows? It could have been a Russian
33:08
freaking fighter jet. And they didn't want anyone to
33:12
know that Russia was attacking us.
33:14
Not that Russia would, but, you know, like, there are other
33:16
reasons why they might have been like, well, we're still going to
33:19
cover this up. It's probably not aliens, but
33:22
it's really great that you all think it is.
33:23
We're still going to cover this up and say, you know, oh, cool,
33:27
they're going with aliens. I'm going to let him do that.
33:30
That's far easier than anything else, you know.
33:34
So, So my answer to the question of if I think aliens have walked
33:40
or flown among us, it's very unpopular, I know.
33:47
But no, I don't see it. No proof.
33:50
OK, here's the other thing to think about.
33:52
Just a real. Quick, I'll think about it.
33:54
OK, is the mathematical probability that intelligent
34:02
life not only exists, but exists in plenitude?
34:08
And if that is mathematically viable, which it is, I would use
34:15
just as an example, somebody most of America trusts Neil
34:19
deGrasse Tyson. Yes.
34:21
OK, literally has said on a number of occasions you can't
34:25
really do the math in a place as big as our universe with as many
34:29
galaxies, Suns and planets would exist.
34:32
You can't do the math and just say that humans are the only
34:35
thing. I didn't say that that's the
34:37
case. No.
34:38
If If that's the case, then it's also fair to say, given that the
34:44
universe is about 14 billion years old, that there hasn't
34:50
been a sufficiently advanced technology from an alien planet
34:55
or solar system or Galaxy, or maybe in a place long, long ago
35:01
and far, far away couldn't have found a way to get to other
35:07
galaxies and solar systems. And if that were the case, why
35:13
not here? I mean.
35:16
I mean, if they had like, let's just say it was us who are
35:22
abundantly curious. We're always exploring new
35:26
things. Like right now the front of
35:28
science is quantum technology, which is like, well, basically
35:32
was unexplainable and unthought of 50 years ago.
35:36
And they've done a whole bunch of like actual scientific
35:39
studies proving it, doing a bunch of quantum experiments,
35:44
discovering quantum entanglement, and like a bunch
35:46
of other stuff. So if a species like us who is
35:52
abundantly curious and in the last, I don't know, 100 years,
35:55
200 years has gone from like no electricity to literally rockets
36:04
that go up in space and wireless communication through
36:09
satellites, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, like all of these things that
36:14
are pretty wildly crazy. Why would it not stand to reason
36:19
then that if there were mathematically speaking,
36:23
provable other intelligent life, why would they not have had,
36:28
let's say, more time to develop their technology?
36:30
Let's say it's an example of what humanity might have looked
36:33
like 2000 or 5000 years in the future even.
36:38
We've been building on what we have now, and we're just getting
36:40
better at it. We're building better rockets
36:42
and better technology and better communication and find a way to
36:46
identify other intelligent life by things like what we're trying
36:50
to do now, which is explore the cosmos for things like radio
36:53
signals. And we don't have a lot of
36:55
other, you know, we have big telescopes and stuff.
36:59
We don't have a lot of other ways to do it.
37:00
But if we had 5000 years or 10,000 years to build on that,
37:04
why wouldn't we at that point in the future have something that
37:07
pretty easily was able to identify something very far, far
37:10
away and then go to said thing? I don't think that.
37:14
I don't think you could say that that hasn't happened for some
37:16
other intelligent alien life and that they could have brought
37:19
them here. I'm not saying that it isn't
37:22
possible that there is alien life out in the universe.
37:28
I'm not even saying that it is impossible that they don't have
37:32
the capability to travel to other planets and other solar
37:37
systems and all. I'm not saying any of.
37:40
That just not here. Just not here.
37:42
What I I mean, they might have done enough research and decided
37:47
it wasn't a place to go. So you think all of the things
37:51
that have been questioned in Earth's history about crazily
37:56
advanced technologies, pictograms of things that
37:59
resembled things in the sky that traveled down and like you think
38:05
all of that's just. I think that's human.
38:08
Circumstance. No, I think all of that is
38:10
humans and we just want to feel super superior to our, our, our
38:18
ancestors and being so much smarter.
38:21
Oh, they couldn't have done that.
38:22
So that when we do something dumb today, as we do all the
38:26
time, we can be like, well, they they were Dumber because they
38:30
needed aliens to do it. And yet all of those things that
38:35
I just talked about have some sort of reference to like these
38:38
God like space creatures. I don't know.
38:43
I mean, I, I, yes, people have talked about gods or since the
38:47
beginning of time. That's true.
38:50
I don't necessarily think that they've talked about being God
38:53
like space creatures. I'm sure there have been people
38:55
who talked about that. However, I think that you're,
38:59
when you're talking about that, you're probably what, discussing
39:02
hieroglyphs and stuff like that. Sure.
39:06
I mean. Written accounts like, you know,
39:08
stuff that we're still doing now.
39:10
Not today. I mean like you're saying back
39:12
then back in the in history. Well, they didn't write US
39:15
stories in English, but they did have writing.
39:19
Right, which has been interpreted 8 million different
39:21
ways, sure, which loses a lot of everything there in
39:24
interpretations. So I'm just saying that that no,
39:29
it is definitely not proof. And it's just, again, us wanting
39:34
to be superior and, and just because that's what we do, we
39:40
think that we're better than somebody else.
39:42
I think that that's wanting us to acknowledge the mystery of
39:46
the cosmos. A.
39:52
Little, too. Woo woo.
39:54
Little too. Yes, it is a little too little.
39:57
Too little, too woo woo. Yeah, well that.
40:01
There you go, I say. They have not walked amongst us
40:04
and Luke is saying they likely have.
40:07
We have been visited. He believes we've been.
40:10
By advanced intelligent extraterrestrial life.
40:14
Again, I also. It would explain a lot.
40:16
Will say that I know that my my opinion is not necessarily the
40:20
most popular. Maybe not.
40:22
Maybe. I might for once lose an
40:25
argument, but I will die on this hill that I have no proof that
40:30
aliens I've walked amongst us so.
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40:40
contest and poll and let everyone know the results and
40:44
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