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Podcasting 2.0 - Episode 267: Chocolove · WGKM

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  Podcasting 2.0 for August 14th, 2026, episode 267, Choco Love.
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  Choco Love. Uh-oh. Wait a minute. Is this a podcast?
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  Are we back? Do we exist? Is it really happening?
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  Hello, everybody. Welcome to Podcasting 2.0. It is... Friday August
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  14th it's time to talk about podcasting from the people
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  who make it for you the people who come together
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  and make it better for you yes this is the
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  official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 in fact we are
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  the only board room without a skip button I'm Adam
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  Curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country
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  and in Alabama. The man who took the DHT out
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  and left the plumbing quieter than he found it. Say
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  hello to my friend on the other end, Dave Jones.
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  Yeah, no more DHT. Yeah, DHT is gone, baby. It's
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  too problematic. It's problematic. Ah, problematic. My favorite woke word.
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  of woke one by the way it's a thing no
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  we we adopted it it's now part of the podcast
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  index lexicon problematic yeah but there's an in there's an
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  api endpoint called problem that reports problematic feeds oh that's
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  right that's right i forgot about that problematic yes problematical
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  if you want to go really, you know, pedantic. So
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  we might as well start with that, with your PodPing
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  VO.12.0 shipped. Yeah, lots of... lots of work on pod
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  ping over the last few weeks i'm trying to get
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  it to the point where i don't have to think
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  about it for a while um oh boy well isn't
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  that basically nothing just as a little aside so we
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  we combined our linode nodes So that a number of
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  nodes that I was, a number of servers I was
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  running, you've moved over for that Godcaster stuff. And then
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  you beautifully made me an admin on the podcasting, podcast
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  index stuff. Yeah. Which is, you know, only for emergency
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  purposes. But then I realized you are exactly the same
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  as me. Neither one of us have taken any effort
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  to suppress the Linode warnings of exceeding all kinds of
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  things. Oh, no, I just, I'm never going to touch
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  that button. It's like, all of a sudden, every morning,
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  there's 50 different, well, it's exceeded the egress bandwidth. Oh,
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  this server was spiking for five minutes. Oh, no, this
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  is not a problem. I'm just warning you about it.
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  yeah show showrunner yeah show whatever that is are you
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  getting showrunner alerts oh yeah showrunner's wearing me out how
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  come you're oh because i made you an ad yeah
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  but but you know what i just i don't read
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  my email anyway so i just it's all just kind
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  of goes in the it doesn't really matter showrunners out
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  of control yeah showrunners lost lost his mind but it's
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  fine it's fine showrunner is my uh my show prep
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  bot where's the latest one here I mean it's daily
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  oh yeah it's multiple times a day showrunner showrunner is
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  the box where I say hey robot go listen to
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  that Tucker Carlson interview and tell me what's in it
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  and see if I want any clips from it Oh,
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  yeah. Okay. But then what it does is it, because
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  of course it's YouTube, so a showrunner is connected to
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  the VPN on my home router so that it doesn't
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  get blocked. Okay. Which was a fun project. These routers,
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  you can set up a VPN on the router itself.
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  I didn't even know that was possible. How do you
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  do that? It's a function of the router. The router
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  lets you set up different forms of VPNs. What kind
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  of router is this that we're talking about? Well, good
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  question. It's the TP-Link, I think. So I have fiber
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  here. I've got five gigs up and down. And then
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  it has this crazy-looking spaceship-type router with eight antennas sticking
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  up on it. and uh and that thing can do
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  all kinds of stuff this reminds me of the uh
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  this the the this reminds me of the nighthawk do
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  you know that router no i need one though i
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  need one right now that's good just for the name
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  it's uh what what what is the eight is it
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  asus night yeah the night the aces nighthawk ac 1900
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  it's even got ac in the name of it which
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  i don't okay wait but just as a quick aside
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  I did not pull a clip, and this is on
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  me. I admit it. I should have pulled a clip
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  of this. Yeah. But you said a few weeks ago,
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  I caught it and it didn't hit me until like
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  an hour later. Okay. Okay. You made the statement in
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  the boardroom. This already sounds bad. Am I going to
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  get arrested for something? Maybe. Okay. You made the statement.
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  You said, blah, blah, blah. Uh, I was loading the
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  dishwasher dot, dot, dot. mm-hmm since when did you get
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  a dishwasher and start using it this has been always
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  been your thing is never use the dishwasher because you're
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  doing the work twice Are you married? Yes. Do you
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  argue with your wife about everything? This was, you, you,
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  you got off, you're off the reservation. I'm concerned. Yeah.
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  i thought this was a hill you were gonna down
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  well you know since i i lost my podcast gig
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  i'm just kind of trying to be calm in the
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  house and do whatever i'm asked okay this uh i
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  will i will let this pass i have the archer
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  axe 300 quad band 16 stream wi-fi 6e router with
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  two 10g ports wi-fi is out of control this is
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  the number of of like acronyms it reminds me of
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  the old days uh and we just i was on
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  with uh laren and laren laren and daryl darren and
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  larry darren and larry yesterday on the show And I
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  made them guess the modem speeds from the old dial-up
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  modems. I had the 300 baud, the 1,200, 24, 33.
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  I had a 52. No, not a 50. I had
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  a 56. I thought it was a 6... I thought
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  it was a 28 and a... 28, 28, 8. Yeah,
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  that's right. That's right. 14, 4, 28, 8, 56. Yeah.
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  And I was cursing Dvorak for dying on us because
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  he would have known exactly... Because there were wars going
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  on. You had the Hayes modems and you had the...
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  Uh, not Rockwell. Um, right. Yeah. And rock U S
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  robotics. Yes. Robotics. And they, and they had wars over
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  V 90 V 91 compression schemes. And it's kind of
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  reminiscent of what's happening with wifi. It's like, you know,
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  no, no, we got this version now and you've got
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  the 6G and all these different protocols that are just
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  popping up everywhere. Yeah, the old dial-up modem protocol wars.
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  Yeah. Yeah, the different compression radio. Yeah. You could not
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  mix and match. No. They wouldn't worry. It was like
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  Blu-ray versus HD, DVD or something. Yeah, VHS versus Betamax.
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  It's always a thing. It's always a thing. So anyway,
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  so Showrunner is doing that. show runners doing all that
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  kind of stuff all day long when i give it
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  a command or go out and find stuff and so
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  yeah so you're getting lots of bandwidth warnings on that
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  one yeah that's fine i just i just ignore them
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  i mean i've been getting bandwidth or cpu warnings on
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  the database server for podcast index for like four years
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  those are fun to see it's spiking after after about
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  you know you get concerned the first few weeks and
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  then it's like i don't care nothing blows up nothing
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  ever ever goes bad so okay it's fine so back
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  to uh pod ping now is this oh yeah is
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  this the what we don't sound very excited i just
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  forgot where we were oh yeah yeah that thing so
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  now so these are pod ping watcher nodes is that
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  what is that what we're running here pod king watcher
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  are you do you have any websites pulled up like
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  the pp monitor no no i don't i don't have
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  my pp up you had get your get your pp
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  up let me get my pp up okay um uh
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  pp monitor Dot podcasting next.org. Yes. Okay. Woo. I love
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  this. I love how it just kicks in. Yeah. You
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  get, um, okay. The, this this will show you the
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  current mesh with all the nodes i'm i'm disappointed in
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  many people me too all the time just in general
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  people suck including myself because there's many people who have
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  not updated to the latest version and are still stuck
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  on versions as old as 0.6. Yeah, let's shame some
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  people.
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  Chad F. That's right. Dave Remote Nix 1.9. Edebris. Edebris.
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  Edebris works. Edebris. Dot 6. Hey, Citizen Bathroom. Oh, you're
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  current. Good. He's current. Who else do we need to
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  shame here? Hey, Citizen Bathroom. Pod Ping West, Libre.6. Come
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  on, people. Todd Nova? Who's Todd Nova? I don't know
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  Todd Nova. But Temple OS laptop is... dot 12 dot
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  one that's that's how is that even possible temple os
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  where did you come from this must be a fork
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  it's a fork it's a fork yeah exactly okay Well,
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  Temple OS has forked something. I don't understand that, but...
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  So, the story here is that the most complicated part
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  of this code... of pod of the new version of
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  pod ping. Was the DHT part. So a DHT stands
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  for dynamic hash table. Yeah. And the distributed hash table,
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  not dynamic distributed hash table, the distributed part means so
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  a hash table is just a set of key value
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  pairs. Um, that are, uh, that are addressed where the,
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  it's a set of key value pairs where the indexes
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  of the keys are, uh, uh, addressed in a way
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  that distributes evenly across the table. And then you can
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  extend that to where the hash table is not local.
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  I'm giving like the most roughest of thumbnail sketches here.
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  You can distribute that hash table's keys. across more than
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  one machine. So typically a hash table would be loaded
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  into RAM during like an initial program load for some
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  software. And it may just be a lookup table. You
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  may just have a bunch of keys and a bunch
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  of values that you need to look up. Well, that
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  lookup table can be split up into slices Where keys
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  or parts of the table are distributed amongst many different
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  machines. And then you need some way to find out
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  which machine has which values so that a lookup, so
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  that an index becomes also an address to where to
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  find the machine that holds it. Mm-hmm. Um, This... This
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  is the core way that things like BitTorrent work. And
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  going back all the way to things like Napster. lime
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  wire yeah good times yeah those were good times actually
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  and uh many you know many things use this although
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  the most the most widely used dht is is something
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  called the mainline DHT, which is the BitTorrent DHT. And
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  a lot of people just piggyback on this because it's
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  got, you know, millions of nodes that are attached at
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  any one time. Well, it's great. It's great for bootstrapping.
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  So if you need to have like a mesh of
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  nodes like PodPing does. You need to have a bunch
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  of computers that can coordinate with each other and send
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  messages back and forth. Well, then you can use the
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  DHT. The mainline DHT to help them find each other.
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  Right. So, the way this worked was that when you
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  brought up a PodPing node, a PodPing watcher, gossip watcher,
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  or writer, or PodPing monitor, whichever one you brought up,
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  they all had this code in them. The first thing
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  it would do is check the DHT to see if
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  there were any other nodes registered with the DHT, and
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  then if it found some, it would use those as
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  its bootstraps. And to try to go ahead and connect
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  to as many of those as possible to get the
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  mesh up and to get, you know, to join the
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  mesh. Right. And this is good for a few reasons
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  because it avoids having the boot, you know, what's commonly
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  referred to as like the bootstrap problem. Um, where, you
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  know, you have a node where you have to have
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  certain, you have to have nodes online in order to
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  find other nodes and then how do they find each
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  other? So this avoids that. Um, but it's also very
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  cumbersome and buggy because now the, because especially, specifically with
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  the way Eero works, because Eero does not have this
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  functionality natively. So it's having to use libraries. That I'll
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  be honest with you, I don't fully understand how they
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  work. These libraries are meant to make Eero discoverable over
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  DHT. And it works, but it also brings in certain
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  liabilities into the Eero connections and things I could never
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  get this stuff to be very to be really stable.
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  And so what I figured out was I'm like, OK.
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  Well, now that the PodPing gossip stuff is all stable
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  and running at known locations on the five PodPing.cloud nodes,
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  we really don't need the DHT anymore because we already
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  know... Five good... nodes that will always be, we know
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  their keys because the Eero stuff uses a public key.
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  So those public keys are stored and they will never
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  change. So we have five known bootstrap IDs that we
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  can always use. And so then, why not just hard
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  code those into the... pod ping watcher so that any
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  watcher that comes up can just ping those five nodes
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  and you're good and which of those five nodes does
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  that include the one in uh in the bathroom no
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  no um i don't trust anything in the bathroom is
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  unstable by its nature i don't trust that one no
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  the Thank you. So, the five nodes are the Podping
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  Australia, Podping Central, East, Europe, and West. Yeah. Those are
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  the five riders. So every podping.cloud is distributed over five
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  nodes. When you send an update to podping.cloud, it round
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  robins between all five of those nodes. And then each
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  one of those is going to is going to post
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  it out through Hive and through the gossip channel at
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  the same time. Right. So we're all we're all going
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  to get all of those. Now, how many do you
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  how many do we need to have a functioning system
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  that we can start building on distributing the index? Good
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  question, Adam. Yes, good question. It's an unanswerable question. Okay.
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  i'll take i mean really and truly because you you
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  could do you could distribute the index reliably I mean,
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  with seven or eight, but- But then you're in the
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  hive situation where you have like four or five API
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  servers that you can rely on. It's not enough. It's
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  just not, it doesn't make anybody sleep well enough. What
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  are the requirements when we get to that stage? Massive
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  storage? For the index? Well, for the distributed index. i'm
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  thinking i don't i don't think so because if we're
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  because if if we're going to distribute it This way,
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  we're going to – to me, the proper way to
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  do it is to slice it so that no node
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  has to be responsible for the entire index. You could
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  – I think you're going to have to have a
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  mix. You're going to have to have some nodes that
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  sign up for the whole index. Mm-hmm. And some that
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  just sign up for a, for a portion of it.
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  And this all has to be automated. You know, you
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  have to be we're you know we're brainstorming this right
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  now so we're whiteboarding it baby yeah get your mark
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  get your marker out So if you have... A node
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  that came online that said... okay, I've got this much
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  disk space. And I'm willing to donate, let's say, 50
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  gigs to hosting part of the index. Well, then the
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  index is going to have to – or the swarm
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  will have to look and see – what's available and
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  then assign... roughly the equivalent of 50 gigs to this
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  particular node. And then register back with the API front
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  end that that node carries that data.
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  Here's a suggestion. I think you should make a Linode
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  marketplace thing. Okay. So that it's just like a one-click
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  install. You know what I'm talking about? Sort of like
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  the AWS Marketplace? Yeah, Linode has that. They have a
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  version of that. Oh, I didn't know they had that.
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  Yeah, I think so. Let me check. Yeah, you use
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  that. And, you know, now it requires understanding that weird
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  scripting thing they have. You know what I'm talking about?
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  oh a stack script yeah i think that's it yeah
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  yeah something stack yeah something like that But just to
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  make it easy for, you know, people like me. I
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  don't know that it's going to be very hard because...
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  I mean, all this stuff's going into Docker Hub. So
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  you could fire up a PodPing watcher right now with
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  one Docker pull command. And I think that we can
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  do this the same way in the other direction with
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  the index distribution because we can have... Just the, the,
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  the, the index, let's just call it index, you know,
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  runner or whatever we're going to call this thing. You
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  just Docker, Docker run this image. Mm-hmm. And it just
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  pulls things down and you give it some environment variables
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  about how much data you have to spare, you know,
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  what, where is it going to store the data, like
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  which directory, something, you know, whatever, we just pass the
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  configuration parameters and then it figures out with... And it
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  negotiates with the swarm how to do it. Yeah. How
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  to distribute. And then you're just, it's just Docker. You
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  know, you're not, I don't even think you have to
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  run it. You could fire up a machine. I mean,
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  you could do the marketplace thing, but. Okay. I was
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  just. I was just. this all works in your house
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  too you know i mean no everything's in my house
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  right now my my actual studio is warmer than it's
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  ever been this and great timing perfect time of year
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  to make your studio warmer i'm running like that helix
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  box man that's an awesome little machine Is it working
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  good for you? Yeah. I'm learning a lot about lease
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  times of GPU and sharing and, you know, iGPU. iGPU?
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  What is iGPU? iGPU is where you set up a
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  GPU in VRAM. Which isn't actually a GPU. Oh, it's
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  like a virtual GPU? Virtual, yeah. So I got a
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  GPU, an iGPU, and then a lease plan that shares.
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  And there's watchers and waiters and batchers. Because I got
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  a lot of stuff going on. so yeah i got
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  a lot of stuff going on here i'm running a
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  whole fleet of radio stations man yes it's i i
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  can't wait for people to see the stuff that you're
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  cooking up it's really cool if they get the godcaster
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  app they already can they can already check it out
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  Just don't ever buy server hardware. what do you mean
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  oh i i had to price for um day job
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  stuff this week i had to i had to price
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  out some some uh memory for a server for an
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  hp server oh yeah uh the server cost 12 grand
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  the ram 14 also 12 grand yeah that's crazy it
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  was 60 64 gigs of ecc ram was six thousand
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  dollars wow yeah that's crazy for five years ago that
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  was that was less than a thousand dollars yeah i
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  know i know it's no good it's out of control
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  it's no good it's uh it's price gouging everyone's price
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  gouging yeah they love it well i read an article
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  yesterday that said that all available ram from all manufacturers
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  is has been fully sold is already fully sold out
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  Through 2027. Wow. Wow. RAM that has not even been
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  built yet. we're in the wrong business yes every single
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  time yes we are so i had an interesting uh
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  experience the other day i was listening to this week
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  in bitcoin no no uh yeah this week in bitcoin
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  uh chris and did he talk about the cold card
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  stuff at all yeah of course of course he did
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  okay okay okay Um, and so I'm listening and then
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  he says, you know, boost me and he, and I
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  haven't listened for a couple of weeks. uh you know
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  death in the family stuff yeah and uh so um
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  and he says go to boost dot uh what is
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  it linux unplugged.com is that their website I think so.
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  And he has a whole beautiful interface there. You can
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  determine your amount in dollars or sats. And it was
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  really just two clicks. And I could pay right away
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  from my strike wallet on the same device. with a
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  message the whole the whole thing perfect uh of course
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  next week i'll find out if it came through um
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  but then i saw in i was looking in the
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  uh in the godcaster app okay he's using his funding
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  tag for the same mechanism You know, it says donate
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  or support the show, donate the show. And I was
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  just like, you know... It's really a beautiful mechanism that
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  we're just not highlighting enough in the apps. When you
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  put a big button there, on the on the podcast
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  when you're listening to the podcast to say you know
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  right there where you got the skip skip forward backward
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  pause you put a big donate support the show that's
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  as per the spec you can determine what that says
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  it's it's like okay you know and you can even
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  if you want you can click on apple pay i
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  don't have a Apple Pay, but this particular interface, you
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  know, the website or whatever it was that loads has
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  it. I mean, it's just so simple. So simple. But
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  the funding button is not prevalent everywhere, not the way
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  we did boosts. Well, that's the Buzzsprout model. Yes, but
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  that's they sort of created that for their customers, that
• 26:59
  page, that page, that single page experience that can open
• 27:03
  in a web view. Yeah, I mean, it's like it's
• 27:06
  so simple. It's so easy. Yeah. I just think it's
• 27:10
  worth considering for the app developers out there to really
• 27:14
  highlight that button. If someone's got a funding tag, make
• 27:18
  it pop. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, I know Daniel J.
• 27:21
  Lewis was working on all kinds of... My eyes started
• 27:25
  to glaze over as we're going through how can we
• 27:28
  use Stripe to be able to get the podcast apps
• 27:32
  a piece of the action. I'm not even sure it's
• 27:35
  resolved yet, but I really like the work. I like
• 27:38
  that... They were delving into it, long conversation thread. James
• 27:44
  jumped in. I'm not sure if we resolved anything there,
• 27:49
  if we can set it so that the app that
• 27:52
  you're that you're boosting from donating from, etc., can automatically
• 27:57
  get a piece of the action. Thank you. Um... I
• 28:06
  don't know why... PodPage doesn't do this. I mean, wouldn't
• 28:15
  that be, wouldn't that be just a natural place for
• 28:18
  a thing like this to exist for a page like
• 28:19
  this to exist? not quite sure what you mean the
• 28:24
  like if you host a site on pod page why
• 28:28
  would it not why would they not have a pay
• 28:30
  a single page payment portal that oh no well but
• 28:34
  the thing is you can build it from anything i
• 28:37
  mean you know you can have your Your robot build
• 28:39
  it. I mean, anything can be done. What is this?
• 28:42
  Onlyboosts.social. Look at this. What does that mean? Check it
• 28:46
  out. Who built this? Onlyboosts.social. There's a link in the
• 28:52
  boardroom. Is it supposed to be like OnlyFans? It is.
• 28:57
  Yes, it's OnlyBoost. This is very interesting. Look at this.
• 29:01
  Well, this is cool. Eric PP, did you do this?
• 29:05
  What is this? Well, let me see. Let me boost
• 29:07
  this show. Boost, opening, boom. Oh, Noster. Okay. I don't
• 29:17
  Sign in with Noster. You lost me. But the idea
• 29:21
  is cool. I like the idea. I don't want to
• 29:26
  sign in with Noster. Speaking of... Hey, hang on just
• 29:32
  a second. Okay, I'll be right back. Okay. In the
• 29:36
  meantime, I will just... Let me see. Who did this?
• 29:43
  read oh they have the only the only i just
• 29:46
  i just got stuck on the nostril bit um It's
• 29:52
  like what I want there is I just want copy
• 29:54
  this invoice or whatever, you know, send this through my
• 29:58
  strike wallet and I'm done.
• 30:01
  that would be the way to do it okay bye
• 30:03
  okay sorry my wife my wife's going out of town
• 30:06
  oh well that was a very quick goodbye do you
• 30:08
  want to take a few more minutes i mean if
• 30:10
  you're going to give me time i made i don't
• 30:13
  need long well go say go good go say i'm
• 30:16
  kidding that was a joke a few minutes would do
• 30:20
  it probably three No, she's fine. He was heading out
• 30:25
  the door and saying bye. The boardroom says bye. Hi,
• 30:31
  Melissa! Hi, Melissa. what is it so what you found
• 30:36
  out what this is only boosts is this like a
• 30:39
  nostre thing well that only it's the right idea it
• 30:43
  asked me for uh for a nostre login right away
• 30:46
  and then i kind of give up okay have you
• 30:50
  heard of buzz no Let me see if I can
• 30:55
  find this. Jack Dorsey. Oh, yes, I have. The agent
• 31:00
  communication thing? Yeah. Are you moving on to a new
• 31:03
  topic? No, I'm not. I was just, the Nostra thing
• 31:06
  reminded me of it. I just thought that you got
• 31:09
  your robots doing a whole bunch of stuff. Maybe Buzz
• 31:11
  would help you. Yeah, you know, it's like I need
• 31:14
  another robot to look after the robots. This reminds me
• 31:17
  of when I had a lot of money and I
• 31:18
  had houses and I had people looking after the houses.
• 31:21
  Then I had people to look after the people looking
• 31:24
  after houses and then those people would get in fights
• 31:26
  with the accountant and the whole thing sucked. It's yeah,
• 31:30
  I literally had three terminal windows today open and I'm
• 31:33
  and all three are doing something and I'm watching all
• 31:37
  three and I'm bopping between each one of them giving
• 31:39
  them different instructions. I'm like, this is hard. this that's
• 31:44
  that's why you need the buzz thing i don't know
• 31:46
  let them coordinate it themselves ever since the robot sent
• 31:50
  an email to you on behalf of me i've become
• 31:52
  very cautious with robots controlling robots That was funny. That
• 31:58
  was not funny. It was funny to me, and I
• 32:01
  knew it would not be funny to you. One of
• 32:04
  your agents sent me an email, and I was like,
• 32:08
  and the part that made me chuckle It said, thanks,
• 32:16
  Adam. No, it said, thanks, M-Adam. And I was like,
• 32:21
  wait a second. Somebody has hacked Adam's email. This is
• 32:25
  not him. Oh, man. Yeah, I... Well, this all comes
• 32:35
  back to I was, you know, I've been going through
• 32:37
  the process of shutting down our lightning node this week.
• 32:39
  Yes. And, whoo! Boy. That's tough. It's intense. Yeah. This...
• 32:50
  L and D is not for mortals. No. Um, This
• 32:57
  is a thing that was created by a bunch of
• 33:00
  computer science nerds. And, and, Like... It's taken, it has
• 33:09
  taken about a week just to shut down or just
• 33:14
  to close all the channels. Yeah. Uh, it's, I mean,
• 33:18
  it's going to be another 10 days roughly before we
• 33:22
  can actually take the whole thing offline to try to
• 33:25
  get, you know, cause we're, I'm, I'm rushing, I'm racing
• 33:29
  the clock because I don't want to pay another 200
• 33:32
  and something dollars, 240, 240 voltage fee, but yeah. so
• 33:37
  we had to force close some channels. We had a
• 33:40
  hundred and... Oh, we had tons of channels. Forty? Yeah.
• 33:43
  140 channels? Yep, yep. And it turns out LND is
• 33:47
  just not built for that. So, the only way for
• 33:53
  mildly technical people to manage an LND node is... Is
• 34:04
  to use a graph, a UI tool, something like Ride
• 34:08
  the Lightning or something. Yeah, but that wouldn't even load
• 34:11
  on ours. But it won't load because our database is
• 34:14
  so humongous that it's completely unusable. Yeah. And it takes...
• 34:22
  about seven hours for our node to reboot i unlocked
• 34:26
  it by the way i saw it the other mornings
• 34:28
  just sitting there oh thank you i appreciate it thank
• 34:31
  you so our our our database in lnd is so
• 34:36
  large that every nothing works the only thing you can
• 34:39
  do is manage it through the lncli command line tool
• 34:43
  yeah yeah And so that means I have to go
• 34:47
  start researching how to do all this stuff through the
• 34:52
  LNCLI. Finally, I just said, because it involves... Close all.
• 34:59
  Yeah. It's like... Find some way to do a channel
• 35:04
  listing. Okay, you get that far. Now you have to
• 35:06
  go and copy and paste, copy out the channel ID
• 35:12
  with an index because you can have multiple channel IDs
• 35:19
  with the same index. not a hash but with different
• 35:23
  indexes and so i had to go through and and
• 35:27
  and you know you got to find those and put
• 35:29
  them in finally i just said you know why am
• 35:31
  i doing this and so i just i just vibe
• 35:33
  coded a thing i said give me a script here
• 35:37
  here's the here's your your um uh macaroon Go. Yeah,
• 35:42
  yeah, yeah. I'm like, no, you can't have the macaroon.
• 35:46
  This cookie is not for you. But I want a
• 35:50
  script where I can stick in the macaroon, and I
• 35:53
  just want to be able to give a number. I
• 35:55
  want to say, I want a script where I can
• 35:58
  give it a count and say, close the five. Or
• 36:01
  X number of lowest capacity channels. Just do it. Because
• 36:07
  sometimes the channel is offline or it's online. And if
• 36:10
  it's offline, you're going to have to force close it.
• 36:13
  So, I got this little script. I start running this
• 36:15
  thing. So, it's cooperatively closing online channels. It's force closing
• 36:21
  channels. Channels that are offline. And that's what I've been
• 36:26
  doing for roughly a week. Sometimes LNCLI will lock up
• 36:31
  and never respond. Mm-hmm. I know this. We should have
• 36:37
  known this when they said, just boost bigger amounts. We
• 36:41
  should have known back then that this was never really
• 36:45
  engineered for micropayments the way we envisioned it. And really,
• 36:51
  the only way that this lightning network actually works is
• 36:55
  if you have a couple channels with huge capacity to
• 36:58
  other nodes with a couple channels with huge capacity. Yeah,
• 37:02
  that's the only way it works. And it works quite
• 37:05
  well, actually, when you do that. Like, strike, you know,
• 37:08
  works great, but, you know, we understand what's going on
• 37:10
  in the background. And classic us... This move is way
• 37:17
  too early. Way too early. That's my brand, baby. It's
• 37:23
  your brand, yes. You just need a teacher to say,
• 37:26
  I was too early. Yeah, but this, so I think
• 37:28
  I sent you a whole document about the... 400x protocol
• 37:34
  that Cloudflare is you know is behind with their stable
• 37:39
  coin gambit. Yeah. You watch. You watch. That's going to
• 37:44
  take off. And it won't take off with us, but
• 37:47
  it'll take off because it's going to be all AI
• 37:50
  agents running around doing little micropayments with each other. And
• 37:54
  it's going to be kind of the same idea. But
• 37:58
  we're still... Obviously stuck with the brain problem that people
• 38:04
  have of Bitcoin, stablecoin, whatever it is, coin, any other
• 38:09
  coin than their own currency. It's just difficult. And I'm
• 38:14
  just going to keep asking for the funding tag button
• 38:20
  to be big. on the apps it works and you
• 38:25
  know i i'd love to figure out how we can
• 38:27
  get the apps a part of that money that was
• 38:29
  that was the beauty of what we had built the
• 38:32
  splits that was the beauty of it And I just
• 38:36
  don't know if we can ever get that together. I
• 38:39
  think, yeah, I think so. I think we can. I
• 38:43
  think the problem was a... a philosophical disconnect between between
• 38:56
  What? the light what we envisioned lightning to be and
• 39:03
  what The lightning Bitcoin ecosystem envisioned lightning to be. Mm-hmm.
• 39:11
  You know, we saw the world a specific way. And
• 39:17
  that's actually not the way they saw it. No. And
• 39:22
  that's not a technical problem. That's a worldview problem. Mm-hmm.
• 39:30
  And, you know, there's stuff – I can send a
• 39:34
  payment right now from cash app to strike using Lightning,
• 39:39
  and it works fine. And that's fine. If that's what
• 39:42
  they want, that's fine. But, like, self-sovereign, low-fee – Payments,
• 39:53
  that works well. Only in a very specific way.
• 40:00
  circumstance with a highly technical individual. Or group with lots
• 40:06
  of available financial resources. And time. Lots of time. And
• 40:12
  time. It's not for, it's just never going to be
• 40:15
  sufficient for your average, I just want to get paid
• 40:20
  podcaster. Yeah. But a platform like a fountain or a
• 40:26
  true fans or something like that, they can – do
• 40:29
  those things they they can but our our our vision
• 40:34
  me and you our vision was just was that some
• 40:38
  was just that a podcaster could just turn this stuff
• 40:41
  on yeah yeah that as also our brand yes Yeah,
• 40:45
  exactly. Oh, you can do it. It has to be
• 40:47
  doable by the average Joe in this kitchen. Yeah, and
• 40:52
  also for the average listener who wants to support. I
• 40:56
  mean, that's always been the issue. is how do I
• 41:00
  do this? I've helped so many people calling on the
• 41:03
  phone crying. I really want to support the show, but
• 41:05
  I don't understand how to get the stats from here
• 41:08
  to there and back into this. And it's so complicated.
• 41:12
  I want to be a part of the future. And
• 41:14
  now they're all, they hate me now. They don't talk
• 41:15
  to me anymore. Well, I'm really happy that, like, you
• 41:19
  know, A bunch of people in the boardroom saying, you
• 41:21
  know, my note still works great, all this kind of...
• 41:24
  I'm glad. I'm glad. Yeah. I think that that is...
• 41:28
  I want... Because the theory of all this stuff still
• 41:31
  works. Mm-hmm. It works fine. If Sir Spencer and Chad
• 41:35
  F and, you know, Eric PP and Salty Crayon, if...
• 41:41
  if all these people have they if they have lightning
• 41:43
  nodes and they're you know sending each other money that's
• 41:46
  all that's great it works it does but it works
• 41:49
  but you you can't get your average you know baby
• 41:53
  boomer at church no on boarded with this thing it
• 41:58
  just it's not it can't happen it doesn't work Well,
• 42:02
  Daniel J. Lewis says that he may have something for
• 42:05
  us soon. Within a week or two. Okay, I can
• 42:09
  wait. I can wait for a week or two. That'd
• 42:11
  be great, but I think everybody needs to do this.
• 42:14
  Sam at TrueFans, you need to have this page. I
• 42:19
  don't see the page as being the problem. There's lots
• 42:24
  of systems that let you set up a page with
• 42:28
  different options. But the content has to come first. The
• 42:33
  page has to exist. Then the apps see that everybody
• 42:37
  is starting to adopt this page, and that is the
• 42:41
  impetus for them to put the big button on. Oh,
• 42:44
  I see what you're saying. Well, I have a page
• 42:46
  right now. I have a page. for we get to
• 42:50
  do this I have a page no agenda has a
• 42:52
  page it's in the boost in the funding tag it's
• 42:55
  in there I think. Double check. I think it goes
• 43:03
  to noagendadonations.com, which is exactly where I want it to
• 43:06
  go. let me check i'm pretty sure that's just it
• 43:12
  always cracks me up the little button on podcast index
• 43:15
  with the pig and the coin piggy bank yeah no
• 43:18
  agenda donations.com yeah support the show boom no agenda donations.com
• 43:24
  that's what i want That's all. Donate with PayPal, Stripe,
• 43:28
  Bitcoin. It's all there. Donate through the P.O. Box. It's
• 43:30
  perfect. Looks nice. Looks beautiful. If I can get the
• 43:38
  node fully shut down. So we have... There's three channels
• 43:42
  left. One... The force close should be settled by now,
• 43:48
  probably. It's probably already done. There's another one that's going
• 43:51
  to take about another three days, and there's one that's
• 43:53
  going to take like nine days to settle the force
• 43:56
  close transaction. Once those are done, I should be able
• 44:01
  to fully shut the node down, and then we can
• 44:04
  work on this. And then I'll take that money –
• 44:10
  Uh, excuse me, not take the money. Excuse me. The,
• 44:12
  the, and run the, I'm out. Uh, there's a, there's,
• 44:18
  there's a virtual machine that's actually pretty sizable. I need,
• 44:22
  I need to see how big that thing is, but
• 44:24
  it's not insignificant. I think it may be an eight
• 44:27
  gig Linode machine. That does nothing but node management of
• 44:32
  our node. Oh yeah. Okay. And so then that will
• 44:35
  recover that money as well. Okay. That, and then, and
• 44:39
  then I think that is probably enough to cover the
• 44:43
  bigger database. Okay. Oh, nice. Oh, that's nice. And so
• 44:48
  I'm looking at the Pod News Weekly Review, support this
• 44:50
  podcast. It goes to the Buzzsprout page, power supporter. And
• 44:55
  I don't like what I'm seeing, but it's okay. I
• 44:59
  mean, it says become a monthly supporter. What if I
• 45:01
  just want to support $3 a month? If you ask
• 45:05
  for tips, you're going to get tips, brothers. this no
• 45:08
  there's no eric there's no open donation eric said uh
• 45:12
  how how should we boost you and adam from now
• 45:15
  on just uh through i've already changed our splits it's
• 45:18
  all going to the podcast index uh at get albie.com
• 45:21
  so we're just we're just gonna switch everything to the
• 45:25
  albie hub yeah because it's so small anyway Now, of
• 45:28
  course, my Start 9 isn't working anymore. Why? What happened?
• 45:34
  I don't know. I went to open up Helipad, and
• 45:37
  the Tor doesn't connect. I rebooted the box. Tor doesn't
• 45:41
  connect. Nothing. Could it be something? I don't know. I
• 45:44
  have to figure it out now. I didn't have time
• 45:46
  to fix it before the... before the shit you know
• 45:50
  it's probably because they they jumped on the knots thing
• 45:53
  and it probably screwed up the whole node do you
• 45:56
  follow any of that oh is this one yeah yeah
• 46:00
  110 and start knives like yeah we're all for this
• 46:04
  so the node probably broke i don't know what happened
• 46:07
  is knots a dead thing now i don't know i
• 46:10
  don't know it didn't work out that's all i know
• 46:12
  it was a lot of noise for something that didn't
• 46:15
  work out Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so... You got anything
• 46:24
  else on that or I can switch gears? No, you
• 46:27
  can switch gears. uh we probably need i want to
• 46:33
  talk about first of all you're buzzing you're buzzing what's
• 46:36
  buzzing yeah you're buzzing yeah let me check i did
• 46:39
  nothing yeah you did no i didn't yeah there's a
• 46:43
  usb cable near your mic cable i've i've done nothing
• 46:46
  okay it's gone now yeah you're just like the vorac
• 46:49
  no no nothing changed all i did was put some
• 46:52
  chocolate by my keyboard oh there it is stop it
• 46:56
  with the chocolate it's got lead in it okay spotify
• 47:03
  skip ahead button oh well yes this is exactly where
• 47:07
  i wanted to go but i was leaving it up
• 47:09
  to you and i would like to um give everybody
• 47:12
  the quote of the week The quote of the week
• 47:16
  comes to you from the Podsage, I quote verbatim. I
• 47:20
  look at what AMP wants podcast app developers to do
• 47:24
  in support of advertisers. Then I look at what podcast
• 47:27
  app developers are actually doing with advert skipping. One of
• 47:32
  those will win out, and it isn't the one that
• 47:34
  requires tons of first-party data, collection, reporting, and the taking
• 47:38
  on of privacy liabilities. Was signed Dave Jones, August 7th,
• 47:44
  2026. Undersigned. Move the chocolate because that buzz is back.
• 47:50
  Move the chocolate. I did nothing. I'm telling you. I
• 47:54
  haven't even eaten. I've not even eaten the chocolate. It's
• 47:56
  always a USB cable that does this. I mean, I
• 48:00
  can sh- I can sh- Just move- Just move the
• 48:03
  cable. I'm just gonna get- Look- there that yeah perfect
• 48:07
  do it live i just i just i just whacked
• 48:11
  the roadcaster stop the hammering What kind of chocolate this
• 48:17
  is? I don't know. It has no, it's generic chocolate.
• 48:23
  It has natural flavors. Oh, Chaka Love Chaka Love Chaka
• 48:29
  Love Spell this for me Chaka Love C-H-O-C-O-L-O-V-E Chaka Love
• 48:37
  Chaka Love, that is our show title Perfect And right
• 48:39
  under it it's got X-O-X-O-X-O Chaka Love, baby Yeah That's
• 48:46
  You know there's a rapper out there named Chocolove. Yeah,
• 48:48
  that's 100% the case. Word. So, yeah, like people are
• 48:56
  losing their mind about the Spotify skip ahead button. This
• 49:00
  is inevitable. Well, first of all, I thought, you know,
• 49:04
  I'm in the secret WhatsApp group. I love that you're
• 49:08
  in this. You can relay. I can't believe they haven't
• 49:12
  kicked me out yet. I mean, I'm just a lurker.
• 49:15
  And in the secret WhatsApp group, so there was kind
• 49:18
  of a lead up to this. so we so first
• 49:21
  we had podtastic right remember podtastic yeah oh yeah and
• 49:26
  then came castria which sounds a lot like castration i
• 49:29
  don't know why that's a terrible name for an app
• 49:32
  yeah castria and and i think they all kind of
• 49:35
  do the same thing it's like you know it downloads
• 49:38
  the show and then it You know, gives you opportunities
• 49:43
  to skip. And what was interesting is in the WhatsApp
• 49:47
  group, when I think it was Castrio, when that came
• 49:50
  out, the Criddler went nuts. He's like, this is bad,
• 49:54
  this is an outrage. And he filed a copyright violation
• 49:57
  against them in the app stores.
• 50:02
  Because they're infringing on copyright, which I actually don't think
• 50:06
  they are. Is it like maybe an international thing, difference?
• 50:12
  No, no. The idea that it's changing, you know, it's
• 50:18
  changing your material. Whatever. If they're re-hosting it, there's an
• 50:23
  argument there. But re-hosting it on the app? Yeah. Yeah,
• 50:28
  no, that you don't local. You don't. I think so.
• 50:31
  But it doesn't matter. OK. All right. But the outrage
• 50:34
  was just off the charts. And then Spotify comes out
• 50:37
  with pretty much the same thing. And it was like,
• 50:40
  oh, we've got to look at this. What are they
• 50:42
  doing? You know, but I didn't see anyone filing any
• 50:45
  copyright claims against the Spotify app. So I just thought
• 50:49
  that was interesting. And then subsequently... Well, the Spotify app,
• 50:53
  in their defense, they just have a button. That other
• 50:55
  app does it automatically. Okay. So... This and this goes
• 51:01
  to what I've been saying for months. And I think
• 51:04
  you just said it is unavoidable. It is the future.
• 51:09
  Because everybody now can vibe code their own thing. Yeah,
• 51:13
  you know, it may take you eight weeks to get
• 51:15
  it approved through the App Store, the way things are
• 51:18
  going. But, you know, this is the future and i
• 51:23
  used to get really upset just by the fast you
• 51:26
  know the two two x three x speed because to
• 51:30
  me that was a i felt violated like i put
• 51:33
  all this effort in to make everything sound good i
• 51:36
  put in And pauses, John and I would have pauses
• 51:41
  that were purposeful, meaningful, and intentional. And, you know, Overcast
• 51:45
  cuts them out. You know, like, oh, and I felt
• 51:49
  my art was violated, but I gave up because, hey,
• 51:53
  you know, I give you the show, you do whatever
• 51:56
  you want with it. And... This is where all applications
• 52:03
  are going. All applications will be completely user-defined. I know
• 52:10
  because I'm already doing it myself. I don't have to
• 52:13
  use your stupid outlook. I created my own spreadsheet viewer,
• 52:18
  and it works the way I want it to. And
• 52:21
  I just did it by telling the robot to build
• 52:23
  something and it built it. Boom, done. So this is
• 52:25
  going to happen. This is unavoidable. And people do not
• 52:30
  care in general. First of all, most people think that
• 52:34
  the app is putting the ads in. They don't even
• 52:37
  realize that it comes from the podcasters. I hear this
• 52:40
  all the time. yes hey man you know this this
• 52:43
  podverse app you keep telling me to use it's putting
• 52:46
  ads in man no no that's actually not the app
• 52:50
  that is from the podcaster um when someone pays a
• 52:54
  premium for YouTube, as an example. Now, YouTube, of course,
• 53:00
  is very separate because they sell the ads. But, you
• 53:03
  know, you don't get to... as a producer you don't
• 53:08
  put in your own dynamically inserted ads youtube does all
• 53:11
  that for you so youtube then gives you i think
• 53:14
  45 of a subscription fee for that second that someone
• 53:18
  apparently listened and so there's some kind of compensation but
• 53:22
  when people pay for an ad-free experience on spotify they
• 53:25
  expect an ad-free experience Including dynamically insert ads, which is
• 53:29
  really where it all went wrong. It all went wrong
• 53:32
  with the dynamically inserted ads. And people, funny enough... You
• 53:39
  know, it's tolerated, it's a part of culture, we've had
• 53:44
  ads in our face all this time. But no one
• 53:47
  really likes them, even though they're helpful and they don't
• 53:52
  even realize how it works. But ultimately, the way computing
• 53:57
  is going with with local LLMs and scripting capabilities that
• 54:04
  you can just ask your phone or your computer to
• 54:06
  make something. It's all, it's, people are going to do
• 54:10
  it. You can't stop it. It's like ad blockers. You
• 54:14
  know, the ad blockers are just a thing. And no
• 54:16
  one even thinks twice about them. This is going the
• 54:19
  way of blogs. It just will. That's, yeah, the blog
• 54:25
  analogy is probably the best one I've heard. I mean,
• 54:29
  nobody or very, very few people can make, the only
• 54:33
  people making money off blogs are people who are blogs
• 54:37
  that take paid subscribers. well like on a sub stack
• 54:42
  or a stratechery or one of those sub stack is
• 54:46
  genius sub stack is genius because they make it possible
• 54:50
  for it's kind of an although you can say this
• 54:54
  is only for subscribers which i know i don't like
• 54:57
  i got don't feel like it um but once you've
• 55:00
  supported one of the sub stacks Then it's just one
• 55:03
  click. Then it's just like, oh, okay. Yeah, I want
• 55:06
  to support this guy with $8 a month. Click. One
• 55:08
  click, done. And it just runs until you look at
• 55:11
  your credit card statement like, why am I supporting this
• 55:14
  guy again? But to me, it's still the... The open
• 55:19
  value-for-value system is still the best. It still is the
• 55:24
  best way to do it. It's just it's not for
• 55:27
  everybody. And we still have this mentality of old school,
• 55:31
  there's 24 hours in a day, there's 60 minutes in
• 55:34
  an hour, we're going to allocate five minutes of that
• 55:37
  hour towards commercials, it's a linear system. It just doesn't
• 55:42
  really work, except at huge scale, which is where Google
• 55:47
  wins. Yeah, I think along those same lines, I mean,
• 55:56
  it shows – to me, it shows – the skip
• 55:58
  ahead button thing shows how much more valuable – Premium
• 56:03
  subscribers are than ad support. I mean, ad revenue can
• 56:09
  generate large numbers on paper, but when it comes to
• 56:15
  profit, I've yet to see that it's very profitable in
• 56:21
  the digital age. You know, unless you're It works for
• 56:27
  things like Google and Facebook because they own the entire
• 56:32
  stack. Yeah, including the ads there on the ad sales
• 56:35
  side. Yeah, they're selling the ads and displaying the ads
• 56:39
  and have all the users and have all the advertisers
• 56:44
  and have all the businesses. It's a closed ecosystem. And
• 56:48
  we still don't actually know if they're even profitable. Yeah.
• 56:52
  Exactly. That's exactly. Because YouTube never breaks out their profit.
• 56:57
  Nope. And they've never spun YouTube off as a separate
• 57:00
  business, which is an obvious thing to do. Yes. So
• 57:04
  Spotify feels like giving their paying subscribers the ability to
• 57:10
  skip ads. They feel that that is worth it. That's
• 57:15
  worth it to keep the paying subscribers paying. over what
• 57:19
  they would lose from the ad revenue yeah so they
• 57:22
  there you do this calculation and you say okay well
• 57:25
  if i do this button i'm going to lose a
• 57:27
  specific i'm going to lose a certain amount of ad
• 57:29
  revenue i'm going to make a certain amount of people
• 57:30
  angry but i am willing to lose that because the
• 57:36
  risk of losing our premium users to YouTube who also
• 57:42
  has this skip button. Yeah, it's too is too high.
• 57:47
  Because YouTube already has the skip button and has had
• 57:49
  it for a long time. Right. But this isn't even
• 57:52
  about skip, man. This is about everything. Well, I agree.
• 57:57
  But it's like, do... The interesting thing to me is
• 58:02
  Spotify, you go back to the amp accords, which I'm
• 58:05
  probably the only person that will ever still talk about
• 58:08
  the amp accords. Everybody else is like the whole world
• 58:11
  has moved on. But the amp accord, Spotify was supposedly
• 58:16
  in the room with the amp people. We can't confirm
• 58:20
  that because not everybody agreed to be publicly recognized. They
• 58:25
  were on the list. Yeah. and then they turn around
• 58:30
  and do this yeah they they agreed to all these
• 58:34
  things yeah we're we're all on board with the amp
• 58:37
  thing and uh and then they turn around do a
• 58:39
  skip button yeah like whoa i mean that's just like
• 58:43
  rug pulling the hell out of everybody that was part
• 58:47
  of the amp thing um So it's clearly for the
• 58:53
  same reason that YouTube does. Am I – My feeling
• 58:57
  is that YouTube makes... Way more money from premium subscribers
• 59:01
  than they do from advertising. So they use the fact
• 59:05
  that advertising is super annoying as the single primary driver
• 59:13
  to make you sign up for premium. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 59:19
  Advertising is only useful to these sorts of companies as
• 59:23
  a way to drive you to pay them cash on
• 59:26
  a monthly basis for premium subscription. Mm-hmm. You know… And
• 59:33
  it's exactly what you said is, The, the old model
• 59:38
  of linear broadcasting. Honestly, okay, if you think about it,
• 59:45
  The only two advertising – sort of advertising-supported content delivery
• 59:50
  mechanisms that we've ever had fully advertising-supported were broadcast television
• 59:56
  and broadcast radio.
• 1:00:00
  There were other ads – there were other ad-supported mediums
• 1:00:02
  like newspapers and magazines, but they were not fully ad-supported.
• 1:00:06
  You still had to buy a subscription. The advertising dollars
• 1:00:09
  for magazines and newspapers and those kinds of – those
• 1:00:13
  were additional revenue for the publication. But let us remember,
• 1:00:18
  where did the real revenue come from for newspapers? Classified
• 1:00:23
  ads. Yeah, that's right. And so you had multiple revenue
• 1:00:27
  streams. The only two things that were ever fully supported
• 1:00:31
  by advertising only were broadcast, linear broadcast radio and television.
• 1:00:37
  And those, like you said, the inventory constraint, the scarcity
• 1:00:42
  of the number of hours in a day. Yep. Yep.
• 1:00:47
  made that a workable model but that just is that
• 1:00:50
  those days are gone gone dead she's dead jim hey
• 1:00:55
  by the way my start nine just came alive oh
• 1:01:01
  how about that all channels are closed hey those bastards
• 1:01:05
  at podcast index closed my channel yeah you're starting out
• 1:01:10
  it's like we're so back wait what yeah so i
• 1:01:16
  just i mean this this is inevitable but just go
• 1:01:19
  beyond it because if you look at what uh cast
• 1:01:22
  castratia did um castradia castradia let me see castria podcast
• 1:01:30
  app Because it had some other interesting features that I
• 1:01:34
  thought were, okay, here, Castria app. It hasn't been taken
• 1:01:38
  down yet. I wonder why. Um... Okay, so they sell
• 1:01:44
  it as the Castree app skips the ads in every
• 1:01:47
  podcast for you automatically. 100% free! Plus, here it is.
• 1:01:52
  AI summary, searchable transcripts, tap to jump topics, offline listening,
• 1:01:59
  You know, it's starting to do things that I'm interested
• 1:02:04
  in. Just a simple example. Now, I have more time
• 1:02:08
  on my hands for some reason, but every Friday, I
• 1:02:12
  want to get the latest from Pod News Weekly Review.
• 1:02:19
  And I just have my robot, my robot knows, hey,
• 1:02:21
  it's time for podcasting 2.0. Okay, all right, I'm going
• 1:02:25
  to go look at all of Dave's posts on the
• 1:02:27
  index. I'm going to go look at JS, because Sporlock
• 1:02:31
  always has interesting things to look at. It looks at
• 1:02:34
  my bench of articles I've saved. And then it goes
• 1:02:39
  and gets the transcript from actually does its own transcript.
• 1:02:44
  So it gets a pod news weekly review, gets the
• 1:02:46
  transcript and then looks for things that I'm interested in.
• 1:02:50
  And it cross references the topics that you're talking about
• 1:02:53
  and Spurlock is talking about. It surfaces those and it
• 1:02:56
  gives me a little clip to listen to. I mean,
• 1:03:00
  come on. It's beautiful. It is beautiful. And I just,
• 1:03:06
  you know, I just dreamt it up. The dream build
• 1:03:08
  loop is phenomenal. These... excuse me eric pp yes today's
• 1:03:21
  two witty openers were literally written by the robot i
• 1:03:24
  was surprised myself that, The way that These things are
• 1:03:32
  right now. I don't, I'm guessing Castria is vibe coded.
• 1:03:37
  I'm, I'm assuming that it is. I mean, these, maybe,
• 1:03:39
  maybe I'm, maybe I'm wrong. I wonder who's behind it.
• 1:03:43
  Hmm. this is a knowing thing i don't know i
• 1:03:49
  wonder who's behind it wonder who's vibe coding a lot
• 1:03:53
  hmm i wonder who created that app hmm so the
• 1:03:56
  current state of them boils down to all these ad
• 1:04:01
  skipping apps boils down to this oh If you want
• 1:04:05
  an app that randomly removes parts of the podcast that
• 1:04:10
  you're listening to grab one of these apps yeah because
• 1:04:14
  right now they do they are completely all over the
• 1:04:18
  map they will just pull entire sections of that of
• 1:04:22
  the episode out that don't that are not ads but
• 1:04:25
  because they think it is And you'll just randomly find
• 1:04:28
  parts missing. So, but that's the, that's always the first
• 1:04:33
  level, the first go. These things will get better over
• 1:04:37
  time. They always do. And in a few years, In
• 1:04:42
  a few years, ad skipping is just going to be
• 1:04:46
  the way this stuff works, man. Everything is going to
• 1:04:50
  do it. everything's gonna do your baked in ad sorry
• 1:04:54
  it's not gonna survive it's just not so i don't
• 1:04:58
  know what the i don't know what the answer is
• 1:05:01
  this this is the this was always the problem with
• 1:05:04
  the with with the amp records and with all these
• 1:05:06
  discussions is the heart the more ads you bake it
• 1:05:10
  i i listened to A couple of iHeartRadio podcasts, one
• 1:05:17
  of them is Better Offline, the Edzitron. That thing is
• 1:05:23
  covered with ads. It's eaten up with ads. The ad
• 1:05:29
  load in iHeart, on iHeart, the ad load is huge.
• 1:05:33
  Mm-hmm. And it's always funny to me because their tagline
• 1:05:37
  for iHeart Podcast is guaranteed human, but like a good
• 1:05:41
  50% of the ad reads are AI generated, obviously. So
• 1:05:46
  those things are covered up with ads. Acast Podcast covered
• 1:05:50
  up with ads. This is an industry that's just shooting
• 1:05:54
  itself in the foot. Yeah, like they always do. Always.
• 1:05:59
  But I'm not sad about it, honestly. I'm not. I
• 1:06:06
  get everything I want. I pay for things. You know,
• 1:06:10
  I support stuff. that's that's how that's how it works
• 1:06:15
  for me and all this other stuff is just it's
• 1:06:18
  in the way man it's in the way and you
• 1:06:21
  know we have we have what an extra 500 000
• 1:06:25
  podcasts that have been created that very few listen to
• 1:06:29
  that have all been vibe coded and uh text-to-speech created
• 1:06:34
  it's all useless and you know what podcasters themselves are
• 1:06:38
  idiots you know the whole idea how do you really
• 1:06:41
  feel yeah i'm gonna break it down for you let's
• 1:06:44
  dive in deep dive deep dive let's do a deep
• 1:06:47
  dive You know, Tina used to listen to the Megyn
• 1:06:52
  Kelly podcast. And then Megyn Kelly went video. And then
• 1:06:55
  she would watch the Megyn Kelly podcast on YouTube. And
• 1:07:01
  then, of course, what you do is you create, you
• 1:07:04
  know, your little segments and you post that in the
• 1:07:06
  shorts or you create, you know, a 14-minute segment of
• 1:07:10
  a certain guest. And then she only watches that. I
• 1:07:14
  mean, you're shooting yourself in the foot. And this whole
• 1:07:18
  HLS video, I love it, man. I love that it
• 1:07:21
  technically works, but... Even on, I don't know the exact
• 1:07:26
  details, but with RSS.com, okay, you're not starting off free,
• 1:07:30
  you have to get the max plan, and I'm not
• 1:07:32
  sure if there are limitations, they may have none, because
• 1:07:36
  those guys, they've got some magic voodoo over there, love
• 1:07:39
  them. where it's like, oh, just do whatever you want.
• 1:07:43
  Wow, that's great. But ultimately, everyone has to put some
• 1:07:50
  limits on the amount of accesses you can have of
• 1:07:55
  your HLS video And it's just going to come down
• 1:07:59
  to, okay, what kind of money can I actually make
• 1:08:02
  on it to offset the cost versus throwing your crap
• 1:08:06
  up on YouTube or on X? I think X is
• 1:08:10
  actually going to, you watch with this X money thing,
• 1:08:13
  Elon's going to do something with that that's going to
• 1:08:16
  screw up YouTube big time. You really think so? Yeah,
• 1:08:19
  I do. I do. Everybody hates him so much, though.
• 1:08:24
  But that's irrelevant. Money is money. i can't tolerate x
• 1:08:30
  no anymore it's just it's nothing but russian car crash
• 1:08:33
  videos and but that's your algo you have ads on
• 1:08:37
  x i don't have any ads i don't know what
• 1:08:41
  ads you're talking about i mean they're they're just native
• 1:08:45
  they look like riposte sure But people will, if you
• 1:08:49
  have a link to your podcast and it's video, it
• 1:08:53
  won't be audio, it's video, and it's on X and
• 1:08:56
  you can click a button with your X money. Hey,
• 1:08:59
  I got $25 free from Elon for just signing up
• 1:09:01
  for X money. I got 25 bucks. I love Elon.
• 1:09:06
  He's a great guy. Yeah. I love that guy. I
• 1:09:08
  love that guy. You know, I don't, no, I just,
• 1:09:12
  I don't see it. None of it makes any sense.
• 1:09:16
  And ultimately, the audience is in control. The audience is
• 1:09:20
  in control. And RSS and podcasting, The way it was
• 1:09:26
  created was completely the antithesis of what it's trying to
• 1:09:31
  be shoehorned into. Well, I think, and I think you're
• 1:09:33
  right. It all started with dynamic ad insertion. That's where
• 1:09:37
  it screwed it up. That's the, that was the beginning
• 1:09:40
  of what will, that was the beginning of what will
• 1:09:43
  ultimately become dynamic. a medium that is forced into subscription
• 1:09:50
  support yeah but that is so limited but i'm when
• 1:09:54
  i say subscription support i should that was a mistake
• 1:09:57
  i should have said direct audiences
• 1:10:00
  Okay, yeah, that's different. Because subscription support, yeah, if you
• 1:10:04
  have 100,000 people, then you can convert 10,000 of those
• 1:10:08
  to $1 a month, boom, you know, that's a living.
• 1:10:12
  But you got to get to that 100,000 first. You
• 1:10:15
  don't do that by saying, well, if you really want
• 1:10:17
  to hear the good stuff, the premium content, give me
• 1:10:20
  a break. no i'm a broadcaster from the old days
• 1:10:24
  you know it's got to be free to air people
• 1:10:27
  got to be able to access it and then you
• 1:10:30
  just have to tell them like hey you know if
• 1:10:32
  you don't support us we go away and it works
• 1:10:35
  well the bitcoin lightning ecosystem wedged itself into a hole
• 1:10:39
  where it every it went it's like uh Okay, we're
• 1:10:43
  going to take what could have been this – what
• 1:10:45
  could have been a – A support mechanism layered on
• 1:10:49
  top of podcasting, an open podcasting for open source all
• 1:10:55
  the way down. And, and decided through, I don't know,
• 1:11:01
  VC or, or something driven mechanics to, to bifurcate the
• 1:11:09
  this whole you know lightning into two systems over here
• 1:11:13
  on we're gonna have nostrils apps and we're gonna have
• 1:11:16
  podcasting boosts yeah exactly the best blah blah blah the
• 1:11:19
  best thing about it was bitcoin the worst thing about
• 1:11:22
  it was bitcoin it was the best and the worst
• 1:11:25
  of both things but now but now i think um
• 1:11:30
  So now it's making itself irrelevant. And then – so
• 1:11:37
  what we're left with is – Like for forcing. Forcing
• 1:11:43
  podcasting in, like... What am I trying to say? I
• 1:11:49
  don't know. What are you trying to say? Say something.
• 1:11:52
  I think what we were trying to do, we were
• 1:11:55
  trying to build a system on top of podcasting that
• 1:12:01
  was also open. That would allow everybody to get paid.
• 1:12:05
  Yeah. Including the apps. Right. And so now that is
• 1:12:12
  still the goal. Yeah. Because if we look into the
• 1:12:17
  future of a time when advertising is blocked at the
• 1:12:23
  app level across the board, there has to be some
• 1:12:27
  other mechanism in place to allow... Value for value to
• 1:12:32
  continue to support podcasters and for them to make a
• 1:12:36
  living. And I think that what we're left with is
• 1:12:40
  things like X402, funding tag, you know, I don't know,
• 1:12:47
  some sort of stable coin. I don't know. There's other
• 1:12:52
  mechanisms in play. Well, the funding tag just works for
• 1:12:56
  me. And it was really our own app where I
• 1:12:59
  discovered, oh, man, this is just so easy. It has
• 1:13:02
  a big button right there. Support this show. Click. Opens
• 1:13:06
  up. Okay. Oh, Stripe, well, I'm already somehow, it has
• 1:13:11
  my information already. I don't know if that's through Shopify
• 1:13:15
  or something else. I'm not sure how that got in
• 1:13:18
  there, but okay. So it stored my payment method and
• 1:13:23
  I just pay. with a message and you know i've
• 1:13:27
  been doing this for we get to do this this
• 1:13:30
  is so beautiful so we have um stripe and paypal
• 1:13:33
  and stripe has apple pay it's got all venmo it's
• 1:13:37
  all no paypal is part of venmo or venmo is
• 1:13:41
  part of paypal all so everything is covered everything and
• 1:13:45
  i built my own helipad I said, Robot, I need
• 1:13:49
  to have a spreadsheet for every show. Robot went, okay,
• 1:13:54
  Adam. I need some tokens for the API. Here's how
• 1:13:59
  you get them. Okay. Make sure it's read-only, Adam. Okay.
• 1:14:04
  And I give it the tokens in an env file.
• 1:14:09
  And it builds a spreadsheet for me. It's beautiful. It
• 1:14:14
  has the comments, it goes into my email, checks for
• 1:14:17
  any comments that were sent to notes at WGTDT.com, pulls
• 1:14:22
  them out, puts them in. This is what I'm talking
• 1:14:25
  about. The world is changing so rapidly. And if I
• 1:14:31
  can do it, other people can do this too. For
• 1:14:36
  sure. Yeah, for sure. Only the blessed, but otherwise. Doba.
• 1:14:44
  Yeah. I'm not... I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful for... For the
• 1:14:58
  future of... Um... Creators having a way to, for podcasters,
• 1:15:06
  have a way to get paid value for value. Uh,
• 1:15:10
  in, in that's, that says this that's open especially and
• 1:15:16
  one thing that gives me hope is the most recent
• 1:15:19
  apple um court yeah uh stuff like within the last
• 1:15:26
  couple of days yeah they they have had you know
• 1:15:29
  they've they've essentially if you're what if you're watching if
• 1:15:33
  you're keeping track of this they've admitted the fees are
• 1:15:37
  too high that they shouldn't have charged they if actually
• 1:15:40
  if you read between the lines they're saying that they
• 1:15:42
  should have charged zero yeah yeah Just a response to
• 1:15:45
  Chad F. Yes, Chad F. Podverse has a funding tag,
• 1:15:51
  but it's a little icon with a dollar sign on
• 1:15:53
  a coin going into a slot. You know, that's obscure
• 1:15:58
  to me. like i need because i got a big
• 1:16:02
  play button a big live button i've got a big
• 1:16:04
  unsubscribe but it's easy to unsubscribe but it's not easy
• 1:16:08
  to pay right under the unsubscribe put put donate that's
• 1:16:13
  my point yes it's there but i i can't tell
• 1:16:16
  everybody for every app go and look for this go
• 1:16:19
  and look for the little icon of a coin with
• 1:16:21
  a dollar sign on it people that's my point it's
• 1:16:25
  a user experience issue it's not a technical issue So,
• 1:16:30
  yeah, so just – I guess what I'm trying to
• 1:16:35
  say is I have a hope that there is –
• 1:16:38
  there's alternatives beyond lightning and – They seem to be
• 1:16:44
  all easy to adopt. We just have to make sure,
• 1:16:48
  which has been our thing from the very beginning, we
• 1:16:50
  have to make sure that the app gets a cut.
• 1:16:53
  Yeah. That is the way to success. You have to,
• 1:17:00
  if you don't, if you, if, if there, if another
• 1:17:03
  system crops up where only the creator and, and the
• 1:17:06
  hosting companies get paid and the advertise or the, you
• 1:17:09
  know, the, the advertisers, uh, advertising agencies, if, if only
• 1:17:13
  those people get paid again, well, then it's a failure.
• 1:17:18
  And Daniel J. Lewis, don't tell me not to use
• 1:17:21
  the word donate. That's not true. I've been using that
• 1:17:25
  for 19 years on no agenda. We say donate. So
• 1:17:28
  don't tell me that we need to stop using that
• 1:17:31
  word. Um, I think it's, there's a, there's a couple
• 1:17:37
  of things, uh, that I want to talk to. I
• 1:17:39
  want to, we probably want to talk about this next
• 1:17:41
  week and I want to cover it. Like I, I
• 1:17:43
  was going to talk about it today, but I think
• 1:17:45
  I want to talk about it next week because I
• 1:17:47
  need time. I want to throw together some rough ideas
• 1:17:51
  first. Um, yeah. Alberto from RSS.com reached out to me
• 1:17:56
  about a... About publishing a, adding a public, a new
• 1:18:02
  public data set to the, to the index. Interesting. With
• 1:18:07
  all the location tags that we have. And so... What
• 1:18:14
  he, what he's, what his thought is. Is that if
• 1:18:19
  we have a public data set of all the location
• 1:18:21
  tags that we could build an Atlas or some other
• 1:18:24
  tool like the same way that that was done for
• 1:18:28
  PodRoll. So basically a huge discovery mechanism based on that
• 1:18:37
  big, that data set. For geolocation in apps. For geolocation,
• 1:18:42
  yeah, for like where... Because he was giving examples. I
• 1:18:45
  haven't really even looked at that data in a long
• 1:18:47
  time. He was giving examples of some really interesting location
• 1:18:52
  tags that he's finding in podcasts. Well, they have in
• 1:18:55
  RSS.com in their publish interface, the publish dashboard, they give
• 1:19:00
  you two location tag options. You can use both. What
• 1:19:05
  is this about and where is this recorded? yes that's
• 1:19:09
  great i love that and some of the things that
• 1:19:12
  he was uh mentioning in his note to me were
• 1:19:14
  really cool you know like some uh if i remember
• 1:19:18
  right it's like a church in the side of a
• 1:19:21
  mountain in italy or something like it was really neat
• 1:19:24
  i mean and so i think we can use I
• 1:19:27
  think he's right. We need to make this more easily
• 1:19:29
  accessible to people. So I'm, I'm game to do this
• 1:19:32
  and I want, I want to get a rough data
• 1:19:35
  set up first next week. Uh, and I'll, I'll, uh,
• 1:19:39
  have a location for it on the show next week.
• 1:19:42
  And then If other people have ideas about, then once
• 1:19:45
  people see it, they could give feedback on how they
• 1:19:47
  would change, you know, if it needs changes or whatever.
• 1:19:50
  That's a good idea. It's also good for people who
• 1:19:52
  want to start a podcast. Where is something missing? Yeah,
• 1:19:58
  yeah, exactly.
• 1:20:00
  Yeah, kind of like the way they do with categories.
• 1:20:03
  It's like, what is a niche category? Yeah, yeah. And
• 1:20:06
  I'm all about hyper-local. I mean, that's still the way
• 1:20:09
  to go. Hyper-local podcasting is dynamite. Lots of people are
• 1:20:14
  doing it. They have a lot of fun. They're not
• 1:20:16
  doing it for money necessarily, but they are often supported
• 1:20:19
  by their local community. And we have the North Idaho,
• 1:20:26
  North ID podcast, N-O-I-D, I can't remember the name of
• 1:20:30
  it. They're kind of doing a local no agenda for
• 1:20:33
  the Idaho, for their area of Idaho. And it's super
• 1:20:36
  popular. Yeah, this is where you can still have a
• 1:20:40
  lot of success. Where everything, the whole podcast industrial complex
• 1:20:45
  pushes everybody towards volume. Gotta have more volume. Grow your
• 1:20:50
  show. Grow your show. R.I.P. Todd. Yeah. And then the
• 1:20:58
  other thing was... The podcast contact tag. I'm high on
• 1:21:03
  this thing. I still think it's a good idea. Yeah.
• 1:21:07
  I do too. Can we, can somebody, Daniel, Daniel, you're
• 1:21:12
  busy. Can somebody write this up as a PR? I
• 1:21:18
  think he already did a lot of this work with...
• 1:21:23
  with uh san filipo yeah he did but um I
• 1:21:29
  would like to have it as a pull request. Yeah,
• 1:21:31
  but don't distract the child from the good work he's
• 1:21:34
  already doing. He's working on the splits with Stripe. That's
• 1:21:39
  why I said he's busy. But you put it out
• 1:21:41
  there. Okay. Daniel, when you're done with the Stripe thing,
• 1:21:47
  then do that. Or if somebody else wants to do
• 1:21:51
  it, somebody else can do it. But don't get distracted.
• 1:21:57
  Yeah, please don't. Squirrel, I'm going to run over here.
• 1:22:00
  I think it's a great idea, and I think it
• 1:22:01
  needs to move forward. I'm with you on that. I'm
• 1:22:04
  with you. i'm with you big time what is the
• 1:22:08
  podcast contact tag again that's just all the different ways
• 1:22:12
  that you can uh contact the podcaster so or the
• 1:22:16
  show in in question yes So, uh, you know, it's,
• 1:22:21
  let me see if I've got, maybe I have a
• 1:22:22
  link to it. Let me see. Copy. Yes, I do.
• 1:22:25
  Here we go. Here you go, Eric. In the boardroom,
• 1:22:30
  uh, right there. There's, that will tell you everything you
• 1:22:32
  need to know. Nice. Uh, yeah. So I think that's,
• 1:22:36
  uh, I think those two things probably are important. Um,
• 1:22:42
  I want. Probably again, probably something again for next week
• 1:22:46
  would be the podcast image tag. I want to have
• 1:22:49
  an idea for using that. For custom app icon delivery?
• 1:22:55
  I mean, just have your app resize it on the
• 1:22:56
  fly. Yeah, but this is an example of a method
• 1:23:02
  of using it, yeah. but uh well we can talk
• 1:23:05
  about this next week i know we're running low on
• 1:23:07
  time well let us thank some people for supporting the
• 1:23:10
  podcast index and the entire project that it is we're
• 1:23:13
  repurposing machines now that's what it's come down to yeah
• 1:23:17
  uh but we we really appreciate everybody who supports us
• 1:23:21
  value for value um We've got a donate button. Oh,
• 1:23:25
  my God. We're not a nonprofit. We've got a donate
• 1:23:28
  button at the bottom of our page, podcastindex.org. You are
• 1:23:32
  supporting the lifeblood of Podcast Index. Adam and Dave get
• 1:23:35
  none of this. We put it into... kitty and it
• 1:23:38
  supports all of the uh all of the machines and
• 1:23:41
  everything that is running to keep this going with some
• 1:23:44
  room to spare so we appreciate it as you continue
• 1:23:46
  to support every single dollar makes a difference even five
• 1:23:50
  dollars buys us one of our little mini servers for
• 1:23:53
  a month so we appreciate all of you and i
• 1:23:56
  unfortunately i have no way of Looking at anything past
• 1:24:01
  one week ago, On helipad. Why? Because my channel's closed.
• 1:24:10
  Two weeks ago, I'm sorry. Two weeks ago. Yeah, this
• 1:24:12
  thing sucks. But it still should be in the helipad.
• 1:24:15
  Yeah. What thing sucks? Start nine. No, it'd be closed
• 1:24:18
  two weeks ago. So I only have... Oh, I see.
• 1:24:21
  The last... I have a True Fans four sats. So
• 1:24:26
  that was a streaming payment. For episode 266, and I
• 1:24:31
  don't have anything else, then it's two weeks ago. So
• 1:24:35
  you probably have more accurate information than I have. Uh,
• 1:24:39
  well, let me do, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not
• 1:24:42
  sure I'm going to have much more accurate information than
• 1:24:44
  you do. I've got, uh, I, I extracted this, I
• 1:24:49
  extracted the Albie hub data. And it was like, there's
• 1:24:55
  nothing there. Everyone's given up on us. I guess. Those
• 1:25:01
  guys. Well, ComicShareBlogger is the last of the Mohicans. DCGirl
• 1:25:09
  said that she sent us a comment, and I can't
• 1:25:13
  find it. I'm going to have to get her to
• 1:25:16
  resend it. No. uh we see we got some paypals
• 1:25:20
  we got a bunch of them actually chris bernardic five
• 1:25:24
  bucks thank you Dreb Scott, $15. Thank you, Dreb. Michael
• 1:25:28
  Kemmerer, $5.33. Charles Hicks, $5. Um... Let's see, is this
• 1:25:38
  a one-off? No, it's a... uh oh paul de bruin
• 1:25:43
  yeah this is a one-off uh ten dollars a great
• 1:25:46
  job you were doing he says thank you paul well
• 1:25:48
  thank you paul cameron rose 25 bucks thank you cam
• 1:25:51
  nice Uh, let's see. This is the... oh this is
• 1:25:56
  from ralph uh ralpha step 50 bucks thank you ralph
• 1:26:01
  uh martin lindascope one dollar thank you martin uh pod
• 1:26:05
  page brendan mulligan and pod page 25 bucks thank you
• 1:26:09
  brendan uh joseph maraca five bucks uh thank you uh
• 1:26:14
  oh look what we got look what we got here
• 1:26:17
  uh oh it's a one-off from blueberry a hundred dollars
• 1:26:23
  nice i'll give you a baller for that shot collar
• 1:26:27
  20 inch blades on the impala nice thank you boys
• 1:26:30
  and girls blueberry he says from uh from the guys
• 1:26:34
  and gals at blueberry not fringe anymore go podcasting not
• 1:26:38
  fringe where is my go podcasting where did that thing
• 1:26:42
  go That's interesting. let's see we got you lost your
• 1:26:50
  go pocket I just got it Mitchell Downey, 50 bucks
• 1:26:56
  Thank you Mitch Christopher Harbark, 10 bucks A double From
• 1:27:03
  Mitch, 10 bucks Damon Kasajak, 15 We got a one-off
• 1:27:09
  Another one-off I don't know how to pronounce His name,
• 1:27:13
  10 dollars from rare rare is i own petrescu it's
• 1:27:20
  r a r a r e s dash i o
• 1:27:23
  a n thank you yes thank you very much uh
• 1:27:27
  terry keller five dollars and i'm sorry for messing your
• 1:27:32
  name up uh Silicon Florist, $10. Thank you. Christopher Cowan,
• 1:27:38
  $5. Paul Salzman, $22.22. As always, Darry J. Visker. Darry
• 1:27:43
  J. Visker, the best name in podcasting, $21. Unol Campolot,
• 1:27:51
  $5. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. uh jeremy girds
• 1:27:57
  five dollars and that's it and that's our that's our
• 1:28:01
  paypals and and the the proof is always in the
• 1:28:05
  pudding you know if i look at op3.dev i'm gonna
• 1:28:08
  look at how many people actually apparently download this show
• 1:28:12
  i wouldn't say that they uh podcasting 2.0 let's see
• 1:28:18
  what op3 says Uh, we don't even show up on
• 1:28:23
  the list anymore. we don't here we go we're page
• 1:28:28
  four okay we suck let me see here's an example
• 1:28:33
  let me see what we what we have so the
• 1:28:36
  last 30 days is a bad example of course because
• 1:28:40
  we we're missing two shows we've been gone too long
• 1:28:43
  let me go back to well that's June 1st. I
• 1:28:48
  mean, so we have 5,000 downloads in the last 30
• 1:28:51
  days. You can't even get inserted ads with that amount
• 1:28:56
  of downloads. Oh, yes. It's weak. It's too weak. Yeah.
• 1:29:01
  So, well, actually, our downloads in July. Oh, in June.
• 1:29:06
  Here we go. June... unique audience in june whatever spurlock
• 1:29:12
  says is is i'll take it as gospel 5721 we're
• 1:29:18
  running an entire index off of this with people just
• 1:29:20
  supporting us with value for value that's my point it's
• 1:29:23
  amazing yeah no it's not it's it's how it works
• 1:29:29
  But that's the beauty of it. And we're just yapping.
• 1:29:32
  We're just catching up. You know, communities involved and they
• 1:29:37
  support us. That's all that it has to be. Now,
• 1:29:40
  if we said we're closing it down and we need
• 1:29:42
  to have money to survive, people would support us or
• 1:29:45
  not. yeah or they wouldn't and we wouldn't survive yeah
• 1:29:48
  it's that simple it's really that simple that's just me
• 1:29:53
  let me see uh we got a reran so i'm
• 1:29:59
  i'm
• 1:30:00
  I said that I would fix the Albi Hub export
• 1:30:04
  thing, and I mostly did. Mm-hmm. Uh, so I got...
• 1:30:12
  Uh, I got three. I just reran it again. I
• 1:30:17
  got three out of here, but for some reason I
• 1:30:19
  can't see the message that I think may be from
• 1:30:23
  Martin Lindeskog or it might be from Sam. It's on
• 1:30:26
  true fans. And I don't, don't know what let me
• 1:30:29
  read the first two i got we got three one
• 1:30:32
  of them is uh from fountain user 9401873488328 and he
• 1:30:38
  or she says have some sats before ai steals them
• 1:30:42
  it's 10 000 sats nice thank you comic strip blogger
• 1:30:48
  is the delimiter but i want to try to find
• 1:30:51
  this other one first though it's a true fan so
• 1:30:53
  if i take this url this boost url from true
• 1:30:57
  fans yeah and you hit it And if I copy
• 1:31:02
  it and paste it into a web browser... I was
• 1:31:07
  thinking that I would see the boost message. But what
• 1:31:13
  I see is just... Our page on true fans. no
• 1:31:21
  comment no no boost there i'm gonna try to read
• 1:31:24
  the message out of the spreadsheet of the database yes
• 1:31:29
  get it from yeah get it from the table okay
• 1:31:32
  it says i will continue to stream satoshis do you
• 1:31:36
  have a snail mail address i would like to send
• 1:31:38
  you a symbolic silver coin Oh, someday in the cutoff
• 1:31:45
  morning. uh in the morning may here's another one let
• 1:31:51
  me try this other one this looks like the same
• 1:31:53
  message this is fascinating this is great stuff and Payment?
• 1:31:59
  See, because I hit the payment URL. Nothing. Let me
• 1:32:06
  place this in the boardroom. Maybe somebody else can figure
• 1:32:08
  this out. That's the one I'm trying to read. yeah
• 1:32:14
  oh wait the oh yeah it's martin lindisco he says
• 1:32:19
  oh okay he just posted it in i'll continue to
• 1:32:22
  stream satoshis do you have a snail mail address i
• 1:32:24
  would like to send you a symbolic silver coin someday
• 1:32:27
  in the future yeah you got to go to the
• 1:32:29
  comments tab on uh on that page that's where it
• 1:32:32
  shows up Oh, so you've got to click it and
• 1:32:34
  then go to the comments. You have a favorite bullion
• 1:32:38
  coin. Yes, gold. I have an artistic copper coin, not
• 1:32:42
  legal tender, with the Fibonacci sequence 0-1-1-2-3-5. FYI, I got
• 1:32:46
  credited to my wallet on TruFans with the unused balance
• 1:32:50
  from my audio hosting subscription. The amount of Satoshis covered
• 1:32:53
  this boostergram. Well, I'm giving you a like. I'm giving
• 1:32:56
  you a like, a little heart. Yeah, I'll do that
• 1:32:58
  to you. Like. Oh, I got a sign in. Yeah.
• 1:33:03
  Comic strip blogger. There he is. 23,999 sets. He made,
• 1:33:08
  he somehow made it happen. Okay. Even through all the
• 1:33:13
  lightning apocalypse. howdy dave and adam so when adam moved
• 1:33:19
  to texas before he met tina the keeper aka his
• 1:33:22
  current wife He had only one friend there, Gene. Coincidentally,
• 1:33:29
  that Gene just gave me epic interview about how to
• 1:33:32
  get rich off AI-generated music and tips on how to
• 1:33:35
  improve it. Watch Gene talking over one hour to me
• 1:33:39
  on YouTube. Just search for AI Arch Wizard. Yo, CSB,
• 1:33:43
  Ozempic Taker. Wow. soon to be blind soon pancreatic cancer
• 1:33:50
  victim thank you comics or blogger we love you know
• 1:33:55
  i just need him in the we get to do
• 1:33:58
  this community because then we know it'll take off when
• 1:34:01
  comics or blogger arrives that's when your community takes off
• 1:34:05
  you need that guy you need that guy you need
• 1:34:08
  that guy everybody needs a comic strip blogger you need
• 1:34:10
  him and there's nothing like the original the og comics
• 1:34:13
  or blogger the og csb you got to have the
• 1:34:16
  og csb there's nothing quite like him All right, everybody.
• 1:34:20
  Board meeting. Board room. Thank you very much for being
• 1:34:23
  here once again. Sorry we missed two weeks. We should
• 1:34:25
  be good to go next week. Yeah, I'm good to
• 1:34:28
  go. End of the month, I'm going back to the
• 1:34:31
  Netherlands, so I get to meet my granddaughter. I'm taking
• 1:34:34
  my rig, so we'll just have to figure out the
• 1:34:36
  times, but I think I can do the board meeting.
• 1:34:39
  I have a little more time on my hands these
• 1:34:41
  days, it turns out. Yeah, you do. Yeah. Well, I'm
• 1:34:45
  going to go install a carburetor. You go do that.
• 1:34:49
  I'll have the beer. All right. Okay, everybody. Hey, everybody.
• 1:34:52
  Have a great weekend. Thanks for being here once again
• 1:34:55
  for the board meeting where everybody's a star. Podcasting 2.0.
• 1:35:00
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