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Mark Belling Podcast #111 - Blue states are in total decline as red states thrive.  Meanwhile cities with Marxist leaders are in total decay.   So why do lefty voters keep voting for this disaster?  Lots more including an interesting theory on why Gen Z is flocking back to church, particularly Catholic Mass. · The Mark Belling Podcast

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  Speaker 2: There's something really interesting going on in Los Angeles. You know.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things that we've ruminated over the years
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  Speaker 2: is how bad would it have to get in some
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  Speaker 2: of these big cities for them to finally stop electing Marxists.
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  Speaker 2: How bad would it have to get? And I said, theoretically,
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  Speaker 2: there's no end to it, the end of the world apparently,
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  Speaker 2: But we don't really know that because as bad as
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  Speaker 2: things have been, they're way worse than these big cities,
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  Speaker 2: and they're way more radical than they were, say, five
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  Speaker 2: years ago. Chica there was a perfect example of that.
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  Speaker 2: The last mayor was terrible and everyone thought it couldn't
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  Speaker 2: possibly get worse. And now the elected Brandon Johnson, who's
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  Speaker 2: just decided and I don't know, Marxist has just decided
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to come back crime at all. So
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  Speaker 2: it gets even worse than that. At what point is
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  Speaker 2: there a bullback again? Theoretically, we don't know. The closest
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  Speaker 2: thing we've had is San Francisco. San Francisco on one
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  Speaker 2: issue in particular, even the left, he said, we've gone
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  Speaker 2: too far, and that was the issue of crime. They
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  Speaker 2: threw out the very very leftist district attorney and replaced
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  Speaker 2: her with another liberal, but a regular old liberal prosecutor
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  Speaker 2: soft on crime, not the one that they had before,
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  Speaker 2: who simply didn't believe in prosecuting any crime. This brings
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  Speaker 2: us to Los Angeles, which is where the really interesting
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  Speaker 2: thing is going on. Los Ange. Jellus is tracking San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: They're always like three years behind. In other words, San
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  Speaker 2: Francisco's overtly Marxist, tens of thousands of people living on
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  Speaker 2: the streets and so on. LA is going to hell
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  Speaker 2: to I mean everyone is leaving. They're all leaving California, California.
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  Speaker 2: It's a massive dream, but they're in particular leaving La.
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  Speaker 2: There's terrible crime, the social services are overwhelmed. There are
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  Speaker 2: so many illegal immigrants living in the city that aren't
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  Speaker 2: paying taxes or contributing to the massive burden for them.
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  Speaker 2: And it came to a head during the big wildfires,
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  Speaker 2: particularly in Pacific Palisades, where they have wildfires in California
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  Speaker 2: all the time this one came through and they couldn't
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  Speaker 2: put it out. They couldn't put it out because the
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  Speaker 2: fire department didn't have any water. The mayor was in Africa.
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  Speaker 2: She knew that the fires were coming, and she decided
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  Speaker 2: to go to Africa for the inauguration of the leader
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  Speaker 2: of some third World one area. The Palisades burned down,
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  Speaker 2: all right, So no, this is getting really, really far,
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  Speaker 2: And again it begs the question of how bad does
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  Speaker 2: it have to get before the people who live there
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  Speaker 2: stop electing these Marxist lunatics. This springs us to where
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  Speaker 2: we are right now. There's a reality TV star named
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Pratt who decided to run for mayor. The backstory's
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  Speaker 2: really interesting and it would be getting a lot more
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  Speaker 2: national attention if he was a lefty Pratt, as I say,
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  Speaker 2: a reality star, which means he's very good at knowing
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  Speaker 2: how to communicate in this day and age. His house
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  Speaker 2: burned to the ground and was leveled in the Palisades fire.
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  Speaker 2: He decided to buy a mobile home and put it
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  Speaker 2: on an empty lot and live there and declared his
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  Speaker 2: candidacy for mayor. Not much financial backing or anything like that,
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  Speaker 2: but as a reality TV guy how to get publicity.
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  Speaker 2: He's been producing his own television ads. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: them are online ads that he didn't have the budget
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  Speaker 2: to put him on local television. He started to get
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  Speaker 2: some money now, but he was doing these online ads.
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  Speaker 2: You wouldn't think that political advertising could go viral, but
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  Speaker 2: remember this is a guy who's like an influencer or
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  Speaker 2: reality TV star. He knows how to do things that
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  Speaker 2: go viral. I doubt that he can win the election,
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  Speaker 2: but he's right now in second place. Karen Bass, the incumbent,
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  Speaker 2: is at forty nine percent. She was considered a show
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  Speaker 2: in because, as I say, leftist cities don't throw out
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  Speaker 2: leftist leaders. But she's down to forty nine percent and
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  Speaker 2: Prat is up to twenty nine percent, and some believe
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  Speaker 2: the polls. Maybe I take that back. Those are the
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  Speaker 2: current odds on polymarket. Polymarket is the prediction market where
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  Speaker 2: you can bet. But Karen Bass was way over fifty
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  Speaker 2: percent only a few days ago. The polling that's been
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  Speaker 2: done out there apparently lags, but it does. They show
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  Speaker 2: also Pratt in second place. There's a big message in
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  Speaker 2: this story because as I say, I don't think prak
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  Speaker 2: can win, but He's gone from absolutely nowhere in a
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  Speaker 2: big leftist city simply by messaging. Messaging the way he's
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  Speaker 2: packaged his message, and the thing that has struck me
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  Speaker 2: about his advertising, which he's pretty much done on his own,
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  Speaker 2: is it is three hundred times better than any political
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  Speaker 2: ads you ever see from Republican candidates for office. Ever. Clearly,
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  Speaker 2: this guy knows how to communicate with masses of voters.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm going to talk about that, and I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to play the audio track of one of those ads
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  Speaker 2: Now here's what a phenomenon these spencer prad ads in lare.
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  Speaker 2: They've become so good that people out there are now
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  Speaker 2: making their own Spencer Pratt ads in other words, okay,
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Pratt, that there's great ad about how terrible are
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  Speaker 2: current leaders out are here. They're people that is making
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  Speaker 2: their own they're not PRAC campaign, he hands. They don't
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  Speaker 2: have to contribute anything. They're just making a video and
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  Speaker 2: pretending that it's a PRAT commercial and posting it online.
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  Speaker 2: And one of them, which was done with AI, it's long.
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  Speaker 2: It's not really an ad, it's a video. It's two
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  Speaker 2: minutes and forty five seconds, too long for me to
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  Speaker 2: play here. But it the premise is is that Spencer
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  Speaker 2: Pratt is Batman. Karen Bass, the mayor is the Joker,
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  Speaker 2: the crazed version of the Joker. And it was created
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  Speaker 2: by AI and it's got millions and millions and millions
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  Speaker 2: of you all free publicity for Pratt's campaign. Now, this
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  Speaker 2: is an ad he actually did. He cut it a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. And what he did is there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of candidates running. They have a multi candidate
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  Speaker 2: race out there in Los Angeles, but there are three
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  Speaker 2: that are dominating all of the polling. Bass the incumbent,
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  Speaker 2: then Pratt, and then a third liberal. So he's running
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  Speaker 2: against two liberals. And then there's a zillion other people
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  Speaker 2: that had done there at one percent. But he went
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  Speaker 2: to the other two lefties home Bass, the incumbent and
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  Speaker 2: the other candidate, and he videos himself standing in front
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  Speaker 2: of their massive matches. And I'm bringing this up because
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to see the ad here.
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  Speaker 2: I've posted it on my account on x so if
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  Speaker 2: you want to see it, you can see it there.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm going to play the audio track of it
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  Speaker 2: so you get a feel for But again, he starts
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  Speaker 2: when he's standing first in front of Vass's house and
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  Speaker 2: then the other the other opponent's house. This is where
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  Speaker 2: Mayor Vass lives.
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  Speaker 3: You notice something for here, where Nikki Ramin's three million
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  Speaker 3: dollar mansion sits. They don't have to live in the
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  Speaker 3: mess they've created where you live.
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  Speaker 2: This is where I live. They let my home burn down.
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  Speaker 3: I know what the consequences of failed leadership are. That's
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  Speaker 3: why I'm running for mayor, for my sons and the
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  Speaker 3: rest of US Angelinos. That would have stopped these corrupt
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  Speaker 3: politicians from destroying our city. We are going to get
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  Speaker 3: the Golden Age of Los Angeles back.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great ad. It's better than any ad I've
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  Speaker 2: seen other than Trump, And again Trump and his people
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  Speaker 2: drove their own ads Trump, none of Trump's three campaigns
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  Speaker 2: had You could tell that none of them had the
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  Speaker 2: same kind of approach that the regular Republican consultant driven
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  Speaker 2: advertising campaign had. Now, if you'll notice in that ad,
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  Speaker 2: Pratt is not portraying himself as a conservative now at
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  Speaker 2: an attempt. The lefties are going nuts over him, because,
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  Speaker 2: as I say, he's a reality star. He's very sharp
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  Speaker 2: with this, said, I'm not a maga guy, because if
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  Speaker 2: he defined himself as maggot after all, no matter what
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  Speaker 2: it is that he's just done in a leftist city, said,
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  Speaker 2: I actually have a lot in common with Obama. The
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  Speaker 2: reality is is that Pratt is running a conservative campaign
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  Speaker 2: and all of his issues are conservative issues. Cracked down
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  Speaker 2: on crime, cracked down on homeless, all of that, get
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  Speaker 2: put money into social services and not all this stuff
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  Speaker 2: in his social welfare refund the fire department, filled the reservoirs,
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  Speaker 2: all of that stuff, and stop wasting all of the
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  Speaker 2: money on the kind of crap that they do in
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  Speaker 2: those leftist cities. So it's a conservative agenda. But he's
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  Speaker 2: not going to identify himself as a conservative anyway, the
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  Speaker 2: messaging here is outstanding. Now. Obviously, for someone who is
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  Speaker 2: not a leftist to win a mayor oralty in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 2: you need a perfect storm. And I don't think he
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  Speaker 2: can win, but he's doing way better than you would
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  Speaker 2: have thought that he would have done, and maybe he
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  Speaker 2: will win, who knows. It's not like Republicans running everywhere
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  Speaker 2: get to run against a government. It's bad as Karen
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  Speaker 2: Bass and Los Angeles. The other thing, they had the debate,
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  Speaker 2: the first debate of the campaign a few days ago.
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  Speaker 2: In practice cleaned up and Bass was terrible. She was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, saying that the reservoirs aren't for fighting fire,
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  Speaker 2: and just give me she's lying. You could look it up.
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  Speaker 2: Google it right now, Look google why we have the
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  Speaker 2: reservoirs before. So not every Republican is going to have
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity to run against an incumbent with the awful
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  Speaker 2: track record is Karen Bass. But what I think Pratt
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  Speaker 2: is showing is how you can sell conservatism and you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to say conservative, and if the voter base
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  Speaker 2: is certainly not mega, you don't say mega. I've been
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  Speaker 2: for those of you who listen to the old radio show.
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  Speaker 2: I've been writing Republican political consultants in the Republican establishment
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  Speaker 2: forever and ever and ever on their terrible messaging. Who
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  Speaker 2: are the Republicans that have been able to break through?
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  Speaker 2: It's those that don't use traditional messaging. Trump and now,
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  Speaker 2: in the case of Los Angeles, clearly Spencer Pratt. We
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  Speaker 2: have some developing news here in Wisconsin today. A deal
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  Speaker 2: has been reached between Lamedok Democratic Governor Tony Evers and
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  Speaker 2: the Republican leaders of the legislature. They're able to cut
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  Speaker 2: a deal in which both sides got what they wanted.
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  Speaker 2: That's hard to do, But the reason that they're able
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  Speaker 2: to do it here is the Wisconsin economy still evidently
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  Speaker 2: booming arc I'm thinking it'll be Wednesday one of these podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to spend a lot of time on the
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  Speaker 2: economy because this is a really weird economy. Consumer sentiment
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  Speaker 2: is terrible. I see with my own eyes signs of
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  Speaker 2: things slowing, yet the stock market is raging, the employment
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  Speaker 2: numbers again are up. And one of the greatest barometers
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  Speaker 2: of the economy is what's happening with tax receipts. The
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  Speaker 2: income tax in the Wisconsin's big tax generators are the
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  Speaker 2: income tax and the sales tax. When income is up,
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  Speaker 2: business is personal, and when sales are up people buying things,
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  Speaker 2: the revenue to the state goes up. The state once
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  Speaker 2: again has a massive surplus. A surplus is when you budget,
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  Speaker 2: you say we're going to take in this much and
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  Speaker 2: spend that much, and you take it and tax is
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  Speaker 2: way more than you think. We've been running surpluses in
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin now for years. I believe the reason we run
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  Speaker 2: these surpluses is because we've been over taxed. As hard
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  Speaker 2: as they've been trying to spend money, they still can
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  Speaker 2: spend it all on. We get these surpluses. So we
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  Speaker 2: have this huge surplus. It's two and a half billion dollars.
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  Speaker 2: So this allows Evers to get what he wants. What
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  Speaker 2: he's wanted from the Republican legislature is an enormous increase
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  Speaker 2: in school funding. We keep raising school even though school
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  Speaker 2: enrollment is declinate, declined, declining. Every two year budget we
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  Speaker 2: raise it, but it's never enough. So now the deal
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  Speaker 2: is is that we're going to put hundreds of millions
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  Speaker 2: more of state money in the local laid for the schools.
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  Speaker 2: That's been the thing Evers has demanded, and since he
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  Speaker 2: gets that, he's going to cave on what the Republicans
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  Speaker 2: have demanded, some property tax relief. There will be individual
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  Speaker 2: rebates the taxpayers, the averages. You know, it depends on
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  Speaker 2: whether I have paid taxes and all of that, but
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  Speaker 2: it's basically three hundred percent or thing six hundred couple.
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  Speaker 2: This just happened prior to me beginning the recording of
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  Speaker 2: today's podcast, so I can't get into it in any
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  Speaker 2: great depth. And the proposal that was originally an Ever's budget,
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  Speaker 2: he actually vet the Republicans passed something that was in
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  Speaker 2: his own budget, and then he vetoed out his that provision,
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  Speaker 2: and that was no taxes on cash tips in overtime.
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  Speaker 2: He agrees to do that. The Joint Finance Committee is
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  Speaker 2: going to meet tomorrow and apparently pass it right away.
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  Speaker 2: I think the legislature is going to try to get
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  Speaker 2: it all done in one week. So for the Republicans
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  Speaker 2: and the legislature, they get their big things that they
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  Speaker 2: were pushing there this year, property tax relief, a tax rebate,
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  Speaker 2: and the idea that Trump brilliantly created no taxes on
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  Speaker 2: cash tips and overtime. And again it's cash tips, so
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  Speaker 2: if the tip is written on a credit card, there's
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  Speaker 2: still taxes on that. Presuming this does pass, it to
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  Speaker 2: be the same thing with the Feds. Lots and lots
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  Speaker 2: of servers are going to be wanting their tips in
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  Speaker 2: cash and not put out of the credit card. Anyway. Evers,
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  Speaker 2: who's a lame duck not running for reelection, he's able
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  Speaker 2: to leave saying I got the biggest thing I've cared
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  Speaker 2: about for my eight years as governor, way more money
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  Speaker 2: for the schools. It's been Evers's big issue forever he
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  Speaker 2: came into the schools, and he's one of these people
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  Speaker 2: who thinks the problem with the schools is that it
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  Speaker 2: just doesn't it. So he gets that. And the Republicans
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  Speaker 2: who've been siding for the last eight years and their
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  Speaker 2: attempts to lower taxes because Evers kept vetoing it, they
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  Speaker 2: get their tax cut. So everybody's happy. I'm getting some
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  Speaker 2: initial feedback, however, that the Democrats and the legislature will
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  Speaker 2: not vote for it. Now again, we're in an election year.
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  Speaker 2: If you're a Democrat in the state legislature, are you
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  Speaker 2: going to vote against all this additional money for the schools?
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  Speaker 2: They may be thinking, we're going to win the governor's
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  Speaker 2: election and we're gonna be able to get even more
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  Speaker 2: money for the schools and we won't have to cut taxes,
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  Speaker 2: will win the governor's election, and we'll take control of
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  Speaker 2: the legislatures. Expected to be a big Democratic year. Why
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  Speaker 2: go along for this?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 2: Why give the Republicans any of the tax relief they want?
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  Speaker 2: That would mean, though, if you can't get any Democratic votes,
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  Speaker 2: it means that Tony Evers has no leverage at all. Now, again,
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  Speaker 2: that's the problem with him being a lame dock. By
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  Speaker 2: being a lame dock, what can he threaten Democrats do
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  Speaker 2: to twist their arms to get them to come down
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  Speaker 2: and vote. The problem for the Republicans is they have
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  Speaker 2: a one vote margin in the state Senate seventeen sixty.
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  Speaker 2: If just one Republican votes no, you need to get
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  Speaker 2: at least one Democratic vote in order for it to pass.
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  Speaker 2: So will the Democrats kill something that gives them what
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  Speaker 2: they really really wanted big increase in school funding, simply
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  Speaker 2: because they didn't want to also include the tax like
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  Speaker 2: the Republicans won. Again, this is just broken. Prior to
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  Speaker 2: the beginning today's podcast, so I can't dive into it
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  Speaker 2: in great depth. This does thought bring us then to
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  Speaker 2: the next topic that I want to talk about. There's
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  Speaker 2: been this phenomenon going on in America for about fifteen
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  Speaker 2: to twenty years, and it is just accelerating right now.
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  Speaker 2: There is mass migration out of so called blue states.
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  Speaker 2: Blue state would be a state that's everything's controlled by
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats, two red states, and a red state is
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  Speaker 2: a state where everything's controlled by the Republicans. Wisconsin is
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  Speaker 2: considered a purple state. We have about half control of
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  Speaker 2: the state by Republicans and half control by the Democrats.
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  Speaker 2: But of those states that are identifiably one or the other,
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  Speaker 2: say for example, Illinois, New York, California, New Jersey, all
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  Speaker 2: blue state Democrats control the governorship in each of those
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  Speaker 2: states and both chambers of the legislature. And contrast them
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  Speaker 2: with clearly red states South Carolina, Florida, Texas, those states
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  Speaker 2: and there are others, but those states, Tennessee. Those states
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  Speaker 2: there's a Republican governor and Republicans control both houses of
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  Speaker 2: the legislature. There has been a tremendous migration out of
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  Speaker 2: blue states and in to red states. We've seen this
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  Speaker 2: to some extent in the big cities. I've described it.
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  Speaker 2: In Milwaukee, people are leaving the city of Milwaukee in
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  Speaker 2: droves and they're moving into suburbs. The downside of that
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  Speaker 2: is that the suburbs that they move into, they're bringing
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  Speaker 2: their political beliefs to, and the close in suburbs like Wawatosa,
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  Speaker 2: Shorewood and so on are even more leftists now than
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  Speaker 2: the city of Milwaukee. This hasn't seemed to happen though,
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  Speaker 2: with the state by state migration. For example, Florida has
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  Speaker 2: had massive inward migration from other states, and the fear
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  Speaker 2: in Florida is all these New Yorkers and people from
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  Speaker 2: New Jersey, they're all gonna come in and all they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna vote for liberals. In fact, Florida has gotten more
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  Speaker 2: Republican as the years go have gone on. The belief
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  Speaker 2: is is that the people who are leaving the Blue
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  Speaker 2: states are those who are conservative minded, people who are
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  Speaker 2: fed up and can't take it anymore. There's a column
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  Speaker 2: in the Wall Street Journal that addresses this, by Kimberly Strassel.
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  Speaker 2: This appeared in Friday's print edition. It's online for those
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: of you who want to crack it down. I'm want
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: to sure a portion of it before I get into this.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things that's interesting about all of this is,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: you know how we have studies on this and studies
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: on that. You don't need to study high taxes from
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: a state versus low taxes because it happens in reality.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: The beauty of the American federal system governed by states
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: is we have fifty different states and they all have
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: different levels of taxation. We have federal taxes, which obviously
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: are the same everywhere. Your income tax rate is the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: same in every state, but your state and local taxes
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: are different, and every one of the states is different.
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  Speaker 2: So you don't have to study theoretically what would happen.
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  Speaker 2: All you have to do is take a look at
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: what happened. Some states tax way more than others. Now
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: we see the results. The states that don't tax as
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: much are thriving. The frustrating things thing for many conservatives is,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: you know, the lefties always claim we're science based, where
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: results based. We want the evidence. Here we have the evidence.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: You would think that all you would have to do
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: is point look at Florida, look at South Carolina, look
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  Speaker 2: at all of these states that are low tax states.
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  Speaker 2: And now look at the absolute disaster that's going out
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: of the budgets of all of the blue states. See
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: we're right, you're wrong. And that would be enough to
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  Speaker 2: win the argument. It hadn't happened. The argument is only
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: being won by the peopleeople who are leaving the Blue states.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: And if the people leaving the Blue states are mostly
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: red people, in other words, Republican people, that makes the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Blue states even more democratic than they were before, because
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: all the people with any brains have laughed, So they
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: go from being swing states to overwhelming the democratic Here's
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  Speaker 2: the Strasso column. She writes, there's a silver lining in
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: the clouds that produce today's political storms. It is the
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  Speaker 2: growing obvious disparity between red state and blue state economic models,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: which puts their theories to a real world test. One
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: side is doing all the winning. This was beautifully illustrated
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: this week via the amusingly unequal battle between New York
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  Speaker 2: Mayor Zorn Mandani and Citadel CEO and Florida resident Ken Griffin.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: By the way, I'll interject, Griffin used to live in Chicago,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and Citadel, which is a massive financial manager, was based
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: in Chicago. During the whole COVID thing. Griffin packed up
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the company and packed up himself and left Chicago for Florida.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of it had to do with COVID restrictions,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of it had to do with florida
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  Speaker 2: It's low tax environment and Chicago's high tax environment. And
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  Speaker 2: he also said, look, I hire money managers, I hire
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  Speaker 2: talented people. Ask them would they rather live and work
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  Speaker 2: in Florida or in Chicago almost area pleas, I don't
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: want to live in Chicago, It's a hell hole. They
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: wanted to go to Florida. So anyway, Citadel has a
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  Speaker 2: major presence also in New York City, and that's led
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: to this back and forth with Mondonni that Strassel is
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: writing about. She writes, Mam Donnie provoked it by using
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: a malicious personal attack to promote his peditaire tax. I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: love it what these people in the media right terms,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and I know, damn well most people don't know what
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: they mean. By the way, we don't have Jason. He's
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: already resigned as he didn't reside. He's on vacation. And
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: if you're wondering, how can he take vacation, Jason's taccho
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: hosts also here at WISN so he started in January.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: It just happens. This is the way it is. Soda Michaels,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: who wears every job under the sun at iHeart Milwaukee,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: is in here doing this. Do you know what a
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: peditare is? You don't? You know why? You don't? You
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: know why you don't make enough money? The only people
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: who know about a peditare are people who have a
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: lot of money. A petitere would be And when I
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: say pedatare, it's pied dash a dash te r a
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And some people are gonna claim I'm not pronouncing it correctly.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Remember I have a Wisconsin anyway, pedatare A peditare would
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: be like, let's imagine you had We'll use Wisconsin, We'll
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: use Milwaukee. You have a massive lake home in Shiniqua,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: but you want to spend some time in downtown Milwaukee,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: so you get a small, relatively small condo in a
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: building here, or using the New York example where it
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: comes in a lot of the rich people in New
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: York don't live in the city limits of New York,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: but they want to have a place to stay when
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: they're in there for work or business. Or they're going
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: out to dinner a couple of nights so they'll have
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: as their second home is actually the one in the city.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: So Mamdanie is realizing, you've got all these people that
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: are just not New York residence, but they're staying there.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: He wants to slap an additional tax on them because
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: he's not getting full property taxes because their peditary is
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: not as big as their big, massive home that they
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: have out in the Hamptons or wherever it is that
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: they otherwise live. So he wants to tax them for
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: making the decision to spend some time in the city.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Getting back to the column of Strassel. In a video,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the mayor complained that quote rich owners of second homes
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: in his city don't pay their fair share, pointing to
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the quote this penthouse, which Hedge Fund CEO Ken Griffin
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: bought for two hundred and thirty eight million. That's what
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a rich person is when their second small home is
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: a two hundred thirty eight million dollar pendose. But again,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Griffin's really rich, which is the point of this citadel.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, who moved its headquarters from Chicago
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: to Miami, but it still maintains a large New York presence,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: which made it a daft target to pick. The Hedge Funds.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Team members have paid nearly two point three billion dollars
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  Speaker 2: in New York City and state taxes in the past
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  Speaker 2: five years. While Citadel is deciding whether to redevelop a
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Park Avenue office that would create fifteen thousand permanent Midtown
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Manhattan jobs. Just how daft was end. That's another word
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: you never heard anybody say anymore? Daft. Do you know
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: what daft means? Yeah, that out of touch is really correct.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Just dumb or tone deaf would be another. I don't
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: think I've ever other than reading something, I've never used
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the word daft in my broadcast career. I grew up
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: at I grew up a Kacana. What would you expect? Daft?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Just how daft? I love that? Just how daft was
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: made clearer by this week's response from Griffin. At a
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Milican Institute conference, he said that Mamdannie's attack had helped
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: clarify Citadel's future. Quote, when we move from Chicago, there
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: was a debate between New York and Miami. It's unquestionably
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: right that we made the right choice. And now what
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: the Mayor of New York has made clear to my partners,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: and principally my New York partners, is that we need
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: to double down our bet on Miami because we want
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to be in a state that embraces business, that embraces education,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: that embraces personal freedom and liberty, and that embraces people
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: having an opportunity to live the American dream and a
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: dream of earned success, not a dream of redistribution, redistributive
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: handouts that leave people dependent on government for their lives
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and their livelihoods in a way that takes away dignity
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and honor. Mamdanni responded by insisting that New York's tax
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: system was unjust and that only further taxing the quote
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: wealthiest New Yorkers will the city be one that working
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: people can actually afford to live in. This is demonstrably
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: un true, as evidence by Florida Miami Dade County, which,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: by the way, is the county where I have my
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: second goal I rent. By the way, Miami Dade County
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: has experienced booming growth with working people flocking to chase
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: an explosion of business, jobs and better lives. Trust me,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: they're flocking there. I'm not the only one that's flocked there.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: The traffic's so bad you can't move. But the reason
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: for that is everybody's over there. And this is the
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: point now that Strassel is making Blue state versus Red
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  Speaker 2: state back to the peace. Its schools are better than
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: New York, It's housing and rent half as expensive, its
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: utility is more affordable, it is cleaner and isn't teeming
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: with vagrants, and you can even visit a Walmart. Miami
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: residents get all of this because of not in spite
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: of zero state income taxes, zero estate taxes, a manageable
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: seven percent and sales tax, and reasonable property and corporate taxes.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Those policies drive growth and revenue. Now those numbers are
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: all correct. Florida famously does an emit income tax. The
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: sales tax is only a tad higher than ours in Wisconsin,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: and actually lower than you have in the City of Milwaukee,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: where the Milwaukee County and the City of Milwaukee both
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: have their own separate sales taxes. The property taxes aren't low,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: but if I had the same kind of property that
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: it owned in Florida, the property taxes would be lower
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: in Florida than the property taxes that I pay in Milwaukee.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: So Florida is a low tax state. New York the
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: taxes are dramatically higher than they are here in Wisconsin. Yet,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: as Stossel points out, Florida is booming and the services
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: that they provide, like the schools and so on, are better. Now.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: My explanation is simple. If you add up the total
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: tax burden of Florida, zero income tax, zero state tax.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: They've got the seven percent income tax, excuse me, the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: seven percent sales tax, no income tax. If you add
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: up all of their taxes in the New York let's
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: just come up with a number that New York is
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: going to be a twenty six percent total in Florida
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: is going to be a ten Twenty six percent of
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: a little is still less than ten percent of a lot.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: The problem and where the area in which the mambanis
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: of the world, their logic breaks down. It's not true.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: This example that I'm pointing out is not true with
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the entire country, but it is true city versus state,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: versus cities versus other cities, states versus states. See, the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: thing is, if the Feds raise taxes, it's hard to
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: disavow your citizenship and move out of the United States
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: and claim you don't have any American income. Some people do,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: but it's hard. But it's real easy to leave states.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: And we've just seen people do it. We've seen we've
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: had talked. Sure, who's to explain that's why they've done it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Both Sean Hannity and Rush Lumba explained forever and ever
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: and ever why they moved to Florida and got out
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: of New York. Aside from the fact they said the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: quality of life was better, they didn't want to pay
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the taxes. So when Mandani says, I'm gonna just drill
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: and drill and drill all these rich people, the problem
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: with that is they're going to leave. So now instead
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: of it drilling them at the level you currently drill
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: them at, you're gonna try to drill them more. But
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get nothing out of your drill because they're gone.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Leftists are incapable of understanding this. The Marxist model could
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: theoretically work in terms of taxation at a federal level.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: For instance, if we created a ten percent wealth tax
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: in the entire country, it's a much bigger problem for
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: that wealthy person to leave all all of America, then
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: it is for that wealthy person to leave New York City.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: And you're seeing this is the problem that exists now
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: in California. The outflow of business and peoples is so great.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: In the meantime, the people that are coming in are
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: people that aren't contributing much economically, illegals and so on,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: that they're completely out of whack. And all of those
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: California people, they tend to be leaving to lower stat
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: tax states, bringing the jobs and the income that comes
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: from the fact that those jobs exist to those other states.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: The lefties always like and I mentioned South Carolina in there.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: South Carolina in terms of percentage is actually the biggest
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: inflo state in the country right now, not in terms
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: of numbers percentages. I think it's mostly along the Atlantic coast.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: But I don't know that. The problem, you know, my
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: problem with moving to South Carolina is what is an
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: open ending question, but why don't I go to South
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Carolina for the winter rather than Florida. It's actually a
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: very simple question. It's not furna. I mean, I hear
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: these people that spend the winter in Hilton Head, and
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I look at the temperature when it's like zero in Wisconsin,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: it's twenty two there. It's probably nicer in the summer
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: than Florida is because it's on the ocean and all
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: of that. But anyway, the point that Strasso makes in
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: her column is we see right now that the red
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: states are thriving across the board. The blue states are struggling.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Yet the big cities within these blue states are doubling
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: down and become even bluer, doing even more to drive
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: out all of the people who left. They are so
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: desperate to be punitive in their taxation. Let's soak the rich,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: soak the rich, soak the rich, so we can do
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: all bits more welfare spending that we have down here
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: and make everybody dependent on government. The breakdown, as I say,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: is the second problem, of course, is once people become
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: dependent on the government, they never get off the dependency.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: But the first part of the problem is the soaking
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: the rich never works because the rich lead because they
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: don't want to get wet. They don't want to get soaked.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Here's one thing I see in Florida. All the time
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: we have the near the ocean. It is remarkable how
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: it can be pouring one place and fifty feet elsewhere
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: it's dry. I mean, I've actually seen this. I mean
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I'm watching it's raining here in a yard away. It's
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: not raining. It's not like a gradual tapering off. So
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: let me imagine you have this. It's pouring over here,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and you don't want to get wet, but it's not
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: pouring twenty feet away. You're gonna walk twenty feet away.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: It is clear that all of these Marxists don't realize this. Now,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: right now, the front runner for the Democratic nomination for
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: governor Wisconsin maybe Francesca Hang. She's a Marxist. If Wisconsin
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: elects an absolute Marxist governor as opposed to Tony Evers,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: who is just a leftist. If we elect a Marxist
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: governor and they get a marx and they get a
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Democratic state legislature, the outflow from this state will be
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: as bad as it is from California. Many of the
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: businesses will leave. The ones that will be that will
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: stay will be the ones that have to be here.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: But we're in a building right now where so much
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: stuff is logistics, shipping, transportation. You can move those headquarters anywhere.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: You do need warehouses all over the place. Amazon's got
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: to have the warehouses, because if you're going to deliver
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: something in four hours, that means you've got to have
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the distribution centers all over the place. But jobs, especially
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: in this new AI driven economy, will be more mobile
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: than ever. Second part of this, Rudy Giuliani's apparently really sick.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: And the Rudy Giuliani in the last few years has been,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: you know, the Trump lawyer who was alleging that the
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Trump had the election stolen from him where the reditery didn't.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Rudy Giuliani did a terrible job of making that case.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: He held the press conference in which his black haired
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: eye was dripping down his face. Apparently he's become a
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: heavy drinker. They're trying to criminally charge him. The Rudy
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Giuliani of now is a sad case. But there is
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: the other Rudy Giuliani, the one who became famous the
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: mayor of New York. This again goes back to the
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: red state, blue state. It's another real world side by
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: side test. In the last let me go back to
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: say sixty nine, so that was let's say sixty years.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: The last sixty years New York has been run by
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: leftist mayors. Almost all of them. John Lindsay was the
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: first big lefty to get elected mayor of New York
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: late sixties, early seventies, big lefty, and when he came in,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: New York went into immediate and precipitous decline. That's when
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the crime exploded. Times Square became this hell hole of
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: porn and drugs. The murder rate was astonishing, and it
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: was one series of lefties after him. Yes, didn't this
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: occurred in other big cities as well. You had a
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Beam who was a midget, he was mayor. Dinkins was
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: in there, and Koch was in there. Ed Koch wasn't
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: a leftist, he was center left, so he's an exception.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: It wasn't all leftists. Then Dinkins came in very lefty,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: and I used the example a moment Ago of Los Angeles.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Eventually things got so bad that people in New York Democrats.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: New York said eighty five percent Democrats city threw up
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: their hands and said, we have to do something different
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: than this. Over ten million people pushing fifteen twenty million
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: people live in the City of New York packed in there.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: We can't live like this anymore. They elected Giuliani. It
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: got so bad they elected a Republican. Now, what Giuliani
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: had going for him is he had a huge name recognition.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Prior to this. He was the federal prosecutor in New
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: York and he put zillion. He put the mobsters in jail,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: they put public corruption cases in jail. He's a famous
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: guy because of that. And I cleaned up this, I
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: cleaned up that, I killed the mob I'll clean up
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: New York anyone. New York went from being one of
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the most dangerous big cities in the world to the safest.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: It's remarkable how fast the turnaround of New York occurred.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: There's a column on that also when the Wall Street Journal.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I want to share a porshit of it, and I'm
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: sure it's being written now because we're at the point
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: in which we're getting kind of the pre legacy of
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Rudy Giuliani as he's in bad physical shape former mayor
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: of Rudy Giuliani's recent brush with mortality reminds us how clearly,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: and you know what I'm thinking, this columnist wrote this
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: thing thinking Giuliani was going to die. He probably wrote
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: this thing two weeks ago, because I mean, frankly, Giuliani
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: goes in a critical condition. You know, he's got to
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: be really close to the end. So this guy wrote
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: this column, and now Giuliani apparently surprised him. Screw it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going to write the column anyway. His name is
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Myron Magnet reminds us how clearly his administration showed that
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: people not in personal forces make history, especially men of
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: vision and courage like him. His mayoralty offers today's floundering
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: New York the fundamental lesson that good government can make
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: a city flourish, while bad government impairs it. Reigning wisdom
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: when Giuliani took office in nineteen ninety four was that
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: the problem ridden city was ungovernable. Crime had skyrocketed in
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the preceding decades, with murders doubling in the nineteen sixties
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: and doubling once more over the next two decades before
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: reaching twenty one hundred and fifty four nineteen ninety one
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: one every four hours. Roughly, Dope dealers hustled on the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: street alongside pushy panhandlers and prostitutes. Derrelek slept on alongside
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: graffiti smeared buildings. An episode of car break ins led
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: owners to post, no radio signs in their windows, and
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: auto alarms blared indignantly at all lowers businesses fled. The
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: one hundred and sixteen major corporation corporate headquarters in Gotham
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy one had dwindled to forty nine by
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five. Small business owners buzzed customers in through
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: locked doors and at closing time rolled down metal security gates,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: luring graffiti vandals. Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor, ignored the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: cliche that you could cut crime only by addressing so
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: called root causes poverty and racism. He instinctively grasped the
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: theory of social scientist James Q. Wilson and George Kelling
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: that stopping small crimes would prevent more serious crimes, just
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: as replacing a broken window halts more window breaking by
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: showing that somebody watches and acts. He had seen this
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: theory proven in the subways in the two years before
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: his election, when Robert Kylie headed the Metropolitan Transit Authority.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Transportation Authority kept subway to strains and stations hosed clean
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: of graffiti, and Transit police Chief William Bratton stopped arresting
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: turnstile jumpers and graffiti vandals. Crime in the subways began
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to fall. When Giuliani entered City Hall, he named Bratton
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the city's police commissioner, with the mayor's vocal support. Bratton
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: put broken windows policing to work. And it goes on
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: and it then cites how the crime rate in New
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: York City collapsed. I'm not going to go through the
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: whole thing, but we know that the murder rate almost evaporated,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: street crimes went way down, homelessness waded out. Time Square,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: the heart of the city, became a massive tourist meccha.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: So safe is it? After Giulianti, you had Bloomberg, who
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: was more liberal than Jiuliani, but certainly not a leftist
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: at all. In fact, his first term he ran as
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: a Republican. But then the backsiding that you see in
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: all of the big cities occurs. De Blasio came in.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: We had a step back toward normalcy with the last mayor,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: but now they've elected out and out and out Marxist.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: It's the same point that I make that I was
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: making before. We have side by side comparencies. You have
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: New York governed conservatively, law and order, cracking down on crime,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: et cetera. And you have New York on both ends
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: of it. The opposite. New York thrived in the period
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: in which the crime was cracked down upon and which
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: was governed conservatively, and it's been a hell hole on
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: both sides of it. A similar example, I think is
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: fair in Chicago. I used to argue forever that Chicago
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: was one of the few big, big democratic cities that worked. Obviously,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: they had issues, but downtown Chicago, the Loop, the Magnificent
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Mile riveron the Bar Area's Rush Street, the near north side,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Lincoln Park, the quality of life there was was one
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: of the highest in any urban city in North America.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: And that's because Chicago most of that time, well, they've
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: always had Democratic mayors. The Democratic mayors were not overtly leftist.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: You had Old Man Daily until the seventies. He was
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: succeeded by Borlandic. Then Jane Byrne came in. Harold Washington
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: was the closest thing that they had to a liberal.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: He died, Richie Daly got in there. All of those
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: people were left of center, but not particularly left of center.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that Chicago was just known
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: for was the Chicago Police Department. They were everywhere, very
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: high head count. You went to Downhunche, I mean they
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: had those was that the red lettering with the blue
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: er the other way, I think with blue lettering at
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: the red strip. Those Chicago police cards they never changed
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: for twenty years there everywhere you'd always just it just
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: always cops. It was unbelievably safe. People would go down
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: to like the Magnificent Mile during Christmas time the Christmas
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: lights are up. It was so safe, it was so clean,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: it was so pretty, it was thriving. It's a rat hole. Now,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: what happened They elected radicals as mayor. First they bring
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: in Lightfoot, a freakishly leftist Ninka, poop and stupid. And
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: then they doubled out and they put in Brandon Johnson,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: who was their version of Mandani. Again, all you have
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: to do is take a look at how it was,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: how well things were going when you had the one
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: style of governing, and how well it's going when you
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: have the other style of governing. For all the Left
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: talks about using phrases like evidence based outcomes, they don't
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: want to apply evidence based outcomes to their politics, which
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: brings me to this story. Every now and then you'll
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: see a perfect a story that explains everything. Walgreens has
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: closed another store in the city of Chicago. This one's
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: on the South Side eighty sixth in Cottage Grove. Walgreens
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: CBS grocery stores. They're leaving the big cities like crazy.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: We're having this problem now in Milwaukee, I have the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: grocery stores leaving the city limits. In Chicago, it's not
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: just grocery stores, it's the drug stores Walgreens. Most of
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: the grocery stores don't explain why they leave. Walgreens explained
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: why they closed this store. They said the store was
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: hemorrhaging money because of all of the shoplifting. Every item
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: in that store. You go to some of these Walgreens
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: in the big city, including a lot of them Milwaukee,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: almost everything's behind these plastic cages where somebody has to
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: come over and unlock them. In this store in Chicago,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: every single thing was locked. You had to have the
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: person come over and get you everything. People were smashing
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: the plastic cages. Walgreens said, we have to hire so
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: many people demand the store, and we're still losing so
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: much stuff to the shoplifting and the city of Chicago
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: court that knew anything about the shoplifting. Nobody's arrested and
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: taken for jail for shoplifting. We can't, so why keep
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: this store open? So what's happening? As a response to this,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Chicago politicians are now demanding that Walgreens be criminally charged
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: for closing a store. The Walgreens at eighty sixth the
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Cottage Grove is set to shut down June fourth, leaving
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: many seniors and patients without a nearby pharmacy. Company leaders
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: said rising theft and violence made it difficult to keep
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the store open, which local officials call it a first
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: degree corporate abandonment. Dozens march of the side georg store,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: chanting do right by Us, as city Alderman William Hall
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: called for the pharmacy to be criminally charged for closing
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: its doors. This is what happens when you say that
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: punishing crime is punitive, that we're running a police state.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: When you take the tactics that Mamdani believes in, that
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: before him, Deblasio believed in, that Lightfoot in Chicago believed in,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: and Brandon Johnson especially believes in crime like this, quality
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: of life crime explodes, you have the street takeovers that
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: we see in Milwaukee, they're all over the place. In Chicago,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: you have gang violence in Chicago, you have a low
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: police presence, you have a no chase policy for most
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: crimes by the Chicago police, and you have massive shoplifting.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: When you have massive shoplifting, the people who own shops
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: can't make any money, so they close, and the quality
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: of life now to curiorates. There's no pharmacy in that neighborhood.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: There were pharmacies in that neighborhood when Richie Daily was
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: the mayor of Chicago. What changed? What changed is they
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: elect radicals. There are some big cities that still have
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Walgreens and CBS's and the ones that are seeing them leave.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: And in Milwaukee that the leading indicator is the grocery stores.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: The Walgreens and the cvs is in the city remain
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: largely open, but as I say, almost everything's locked up
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: in them. I was mentioning the contrast of Florida. My
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: pharmacy in Florida is CVS. There's a Walgreens right next
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: to it. Hardly anything, almost nothing is locked up in
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: those stores. The crime simply isn't as bad. The annoyance
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: is is that almost all of them are all self checkout,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: which clearly indicates that the crime problem isn't that bad
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: because theest way to shop what do they call that,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: skip scanning? Is that what it is? You know, when
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: you're stealing stuff, it's sift skip scanning, scan one thing
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: and put the other in the bag and so on. So,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, if that was a crisis there, they wouldn't
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: have all of those self scanning places. So the point
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: in all of this is going back to the taxation thing,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: with people leaving blue states and going to red states.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: The red straight states are thriving, the blue states are
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: not the crime problem, and taking an individual city so
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: you have apple to apples people. Well, of course people
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: are leaving New York for Florida. Florida's warmer, like it
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: wasn't warmer a whole long. Well, people are more mobile
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: now you can have remote work, so they couldn't leave before. No,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: they did not. Even if you use all of those excuses,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: you could take the same community. A comparison of New
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: York versus New York, or Chicago versus Chicago Chicago now
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: run by lunatics, or Chicago prior when the lefties who
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: were in charge were just regular old lefties and not lunatics.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Liberal governance always, always, always, always makes things worse. Wahwatosa,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: the taxes are way higher, the schools are way worse.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: What's the difference. Wahwatosa used to be governed by common
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: sense officials. Now you have one of the leftiest school
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: boards in the United States of America. You have a
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: lefty mayor, you have a lefty everything. Everything's worse. The
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: schools are worse. Is you pay even more money to
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: run the schools. If I could find an exception to
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: this rule, I bring it forward. And when the people
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: wanted to bunk me, if they could find an example
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: to be able to demoink me, they'd be able to
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: bring it up and say, look, here was this city.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: It had kind of a moderative, conservative big mayor, and
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: they put in a Marxist in the cities. Now it's riving.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Those examples do not exist. And the reason that they
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: do not exist is that the philosophy of leftism, Marxism,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: the AOC mom Donnie Francesca hang, all of them, the
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: ilan omar, their philosophy of taxing people to the death,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: redistributing income by providing all sorts of social services and
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: not doing anything about crime. It not only does not work,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: it creates a disaster. And the exact opposite approach, having
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: taxes as low as possible while keeping up government services
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: and cracking down on crimes, that philosophy creates tremendous quality
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: of life. This isn't theoretical. You don't have to test
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: it by you know, thinking, you know, conducting a study
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: or trying to reason things out. All you have to
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: do is have eyes and ears and take a look
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: at the world. You're listening to the Mark Belling podcast.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: This is the Mark Belling podcast. Let's update us on
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: the war in Iran, Prum said, the Iranian response, hees unacceptable.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I think, oh read this. This is a post over
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: the weekend that he made on true Social Iran has
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: been playing games with the United States and the rest
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: of the world for forty seven years. Delay, delay, delay,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: and then finally hit PETERRT when Barack Hussein Obama became president,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: he was not only good to them, he was great,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: actually going to their side, jettisoning Israel and all other
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: allies and giving Iran a major and very powerful new
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: lease on life. Hundreds of billions of dollars and one
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: point seven billion dollars in green cash flown into Tehran
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: was handed to them on a silver platter. Every bank
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: in DC, Virginia, and Maryland was emptied out. It was
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: so much money that when it arrived the Iranian thugs
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: had no idea what to do with it. They had
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: never seen money like this and never will again. It
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: was taken off the plane in suitcases and satchels, and
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: the Iranians couldn't believe their luck. They finally found the
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: greatest sucker of them all, in the form of a
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: weak and stupid American president. He was as a disaster
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: as our leader, but not as bad as sleepy Joe Biden.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: For forty seven years, the Iranians have been tapping us along,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: keeping us waiting, killing our people with their roadside bombs,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: destroying protests, and recently wiping out forty two thousand innocent,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: unarmed protesters, and laughing at our now great again country.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: They will be laughing no longer. No. I have said
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: on this podcast that I don't believe the Iranians are
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: serious in these negotiations. I think all they're trying to
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: do is delay delay, delay, delay. They believe that the
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: weak spot in America. I think Saddam Hussein had the
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: same thought. The difference there was we actually had made
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: the decision to invade his country at a land invasion,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: and you could force him out and knock them out.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I don't see any appetite for a land invasion in
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: the United States. The Iranians believe that the American people
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: have no patience, no stomach, and no backbook. They think
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: that we can't hold out for even a year. In
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the meantime, they believe you can bomb us to death.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: We're going to hold out because we're not going to
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: allow our public to bitch about it. The American public
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: bitches about it, there's political consequences to that. They hold
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: elections over there. Our public bitches about it, and they
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: come out into the streets will just slaughter them. So
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Iran believes they can wait out the United States no
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: matter how much hell comes down, and well, those Americans,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: if the gasoline prices go up, they'll freak. And I
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: think that that's a fair estimate of what's going on here.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Iran does not intend to negotiate, and the Iranian leaders
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: who don't care about life, who care only about their
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: ability to stay in power with their radicalism. They think
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: that they can wait Trump out and Trump will simply
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: at some point pull the plug on the war. But
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think that there will ever be a negotiated
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: settlement on terms property of the United States. So where
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: does that leave us? In my opinion, here's where that
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: leads us. The United States is going to have to
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: decide when enough is enough. Unlike some people on the
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: left and right, who I think, frankly are just making
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: idiots of themselves saying Iran is winning the war, how
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: can Iran be a winning the war? The United States
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: has sustained minimal casualties, there have been some and there's
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: been no attacks on us at all. Iran has lost
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: most of its army, lost most of its navy, has
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: no air defenses anymore, has lost lots of its missiles,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: has lost a significant chunk of money. It's badly davided.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: It's not knocked out, though, but it's badly damaged, and
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: therefore the ability of Iran to cause trouble for the
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: United States it's far more limited now that it was
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: prior to the war. The bigger concern is there's still
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: there's still nuclear material, there visionable material. The only way
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: to get it, as far as I can tell, is
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: that either the Iranian government has to be toppled or
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: you have to go in and get it. Do we
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: want to go in and get it? Well, I don't
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: think we want to have a ground war, So at
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: some point we're going to have to decide. We didn't
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: just give i Ran. You know, when some terrorists hits
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the United States, we love a few bombs back. We
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: didn't do this here. We pounded Iran. We've damaged Iran,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: and we've killed a lot of their leaders. You certainly
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: can make the case that we've gotten enough done that
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: we can call it off, or you can make the
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: case go in for two more weeks and pound them
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: even harder and then call it off. In both cases,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: I would say that it's a win for the United States,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: but it's certainly not anything you can describe as a
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: total win and a war, because the only way a
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: war is won is when the other side surrenders, and
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I just don't believe Iran will ever surrender. I have
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: thought that there is a possibility that Iran would be
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: overthrown that at some point that there are enough that
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: the popular, the belief of the citizens of Iran is
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: so anti their government that at some point the military
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: stops siding with the lulas, sides with the people stage
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: as a coup overthrows the leaders and it puts in
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: place a government more friendly to the United States, kind
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: of what's happening in Venezuela, where the leader who succeeded
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Maduro is now willing to get along and coincide with
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: the United States. I think it's what our desire is for.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: But for that to happen in Iran, the citizenry is
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: going to have to rebel again, despite the fact that
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: they may be killed, and they have to hope that
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: the military decides not to kill them and instead turns
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and turns on the leadership
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: and puts in place a different form of government. If
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: that does not happen, you're not going to have a
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: victory in the war, because Iran's leadership will never surrender.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: But they've certainly been badly damaged, and there's certainly less
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: of a problem now. Their ability to bank Rollhamas and
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Hezbola is certainly less and given the fact that they've
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: lost so much money and the rebuilding of their own
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: infrastructure will cost so much of what they have left
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: that coming up essentially walking away. Now we have to
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: ask ourselves when we've achieved enough. I suspect the answer
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: is it's just a guess. Iran walks away again, will
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: pound them even harder for two weeks and then say
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: we've gotten enough None. All right, This I've been exploring
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: on podcasts this season. This phenomenon very interesting as it is,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: and it's almost all happened in the last year. Gen
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Z going back to church, and I've been exploring it
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: because I haven't figured it out. As I've said in
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: both of the segments that I've been prior, it's come
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: out of nowhere. Every succeeding generation in this country has
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: had less church attendance per percentage than the one before.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Go back to the so called Greatest generation, the World
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: War two generation, lower percentage of the Baby Words, lower
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: percentage than that of the Generation xers, way lower percentage
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: of the Millennials, and suddenly this is now reversing. All
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: surveys now show that a higher percentage of Gen Z
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: members go to church than Baby Boomers, incredible, in particular
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: the Catholic Church, but it's been all Christian churches. Some
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  Speaker 2: of it is attributed to the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
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  Speaker 2: which set off alarm bells for many young people. For
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  Speaker 2: young people that were on his side of things, this
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: told them that there is indeed evil in the world
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  Speaker 2: and that they needed to get their cell and themselves
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  Speaker 2: on the right side of it. But why specifically the
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  Speaker 2: Catholic Church, I've been The only people that are going
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  Speaker 2: to be able to explain it are the gen Zers
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  Speaker 2: who suddenly started going to church because their parents weren't
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  Speaker 2: taking them to church. Mostly this is coming organically from
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: these people themselves. I have a theory here. It's long.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: It was written to me by a listener. As I say,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: it's long, but I think he's onto something. He starts
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  Speaker 2: by going on and on and on about his background.
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  Speaker 2: He was actually raised a Catholic, He's not a gen Zer.
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  Speaker 2: But he's watching this closely. So I'm gonna skip to
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  Speaker 2: the first a few of the first parts of this
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  Speaker 2: to get to the part where I think he makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to put it all in context. Mark,
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  Speaker 2: I was listening to the podcast segments and on the
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  Speaker 2: recent article discussing the explosion of gen Z attendees at church,
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  Speaker 2: particularly Catholic masses, and the possible reasons for that. I
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  Speaker 2: can give you our experiences and thoughts on what may
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: be the case, what maybe impart the cause for this
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: new surgeon faith and in particular Catholic Church. My wife
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: and I are cradle Catholics. That's the term applied to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: your born Catholic and you started being taken to church
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: by your mom and dad, like when you're a month over.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thirty seven and was born in Milwaukee, and my wife,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: thirty four, was born in East Texas, which is smack
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the Bible build Our experiences were
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: vastly different in the church. I attended Catholic elementary school
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: and then Marquette University for college. When I was in CCD.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: That's religion classes they give you in high school as
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: part of Confirmation prep. The entirety of the program was
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: for three years, essentially just saying that Jesus loves you,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: no substance, no answers, just some basic mechanics of the
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  Speaker 2: faith and lots of louff. I at least had the
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  Speaker 2: benefit of being around many well educated family and people
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  Speaker 2: to answer my tough questions, and even then not all
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  Speaker 2: of my questions without much research. In Milwaukee there are
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: seemingly hundreds of perishes, all within an hour of each other,
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  Speaker 2: and so a sense of community is easier to come by.
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  Speaker 2: My wife, on the other hand, has only ever known
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  Speaker 2: public schools and no friends in the Catholic Church. Due
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: to her location, she was very much on her own.
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  Speaker 2: She did what she was told because her parents did
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  Speaker 2: what they were told. She had very few resources. Resources
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  Speaker 2: are people who could give genuine answers or guide her.
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  Speaker 2: In Texas, everything is bigger, which includes our diocese. It
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: is not larger by number but area our diocese, and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: he obviously lives in Texas. Now, our diocese is about
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand people spread out over twenty
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: five thousand square miles, which is almost half the size
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  Speaker 2: of Wisconsin. Everyone is so spread out there is not
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  Speaker 2: much working together or great learning in any real sense.
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  Speaker 2: With few exceptions, each perish is practically on its all.
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  Speaker 2: That's all of his background. Now he's going to get
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  Speaker 2: to the get toward the point here, which I think
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  Speaker 2: very interesting, and he's on to what the answer is
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  Speaker 2: as to why this particular generation is suddenly in greater
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  Speaker 2: numbers returning to church. The issue of faith, I think
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  Speaker 2: is most easily explained by an analogy a priests gave
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  Speaker 2: us a few years ago, was this, our faith is
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  Speaker 2: like a tree, and the realities, troubles and challenges of
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  Speaker 2: the world can be can be analogized to a tree house.
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  Speaker 2: As we grow our problems and challenges, the tree houses
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: grow larger and out of necessity, our faith must grow
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  Speaker 2: in order to bear the weight of our adult questions
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  Speaker 2: and problems. To grow our faith usually doesn't just mean pray,
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  Speaker 2: but to honestly seek answers to the tough questions that
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: arise about faith, God, the church, et cetera. If we
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  Speaker 2: don't ask the necessary questions, if the tree stays the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: same size, when the trouble of the world comes, it
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  Speaker 2: will crush. And the simplistic view of faith we had
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  Speaker 2: been we had growing up of just doing what you
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  Speaker 2: are told and don't ask any questions. Now he's right
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  Speaker 2: about this. I've certainly found in my own life as
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  Speaker 2: somebody who just can't Okay, this is the way it is,
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  Speaker 2: and this is what the Bible says that's not gonna
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: work for me. I have to figure things out and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I have to come up with something that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: And I think he's also right that much of at
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  Speaker 2: least Catholic teaching and probably a lot of Mainlan Protestant teaching,
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  Speaker 2: this is just the way it is, and the Bible
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  Speaker 2: says this, not actually explaining anything, and how much actual
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  Speaker 2: evangelizing Billy Graham would go on TV and explain things.
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  Speaker 2: Not a lot other of that has gone on for
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  Speaker 2: any of the generations that have come forward before or since,
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  Speaker 2: back to his peace. One night a few years ago,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: my wife and I were at dinner with some other
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  Speaker 2: adult el sins. We were discussing the high school faith
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  Speaker 2: formation program. We were younger by about twenty years than
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  Speaker 2: everyone else in the room, so we felt rather out
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  Speaker 2: of place. However, one older man said something that is
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  Speaker 2: stuck with me for years, and that was that his
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  Speaker 2: into the previous generations generally did not ask many questions
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  Speaker 2: about why they do what they do or believe any
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  Speaker 2: of the things, any of the teachings of the church,
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  Speaker 2: and if they did get the did the get the
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  Speaker 2: answer they got it was simply that you do what
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  Speaker 2: you're supposed to do. Why go to church on Sunday
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: because your parents told you to do so? Or there
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: is just enough of a social stigma if your family, coworkers'
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  Speaker 2: friends see you no longer coming to mass, see you
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  Speaker 2: just go so. In other words, he's saying, he was talking,
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  Speaker 2: there's this guy twenty years older, why did they go
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: to church? Because you're supposed to go to church? Now obviously,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna cut forward of this. That is not
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  Speaker 2: working for everyone. Because you're just not gonna do something
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  Speaker 2: because it's what you're supposed to do. There has to
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  Speaker 2: be some actual insight of you meaning or understanding. Faith
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  Speaker 2: is faith, but faith that isn't based on anything is
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  Speaker 2: going to diminish. Now, let's deal with the tens of
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: millions of Americans who didn't have the parents who were saying,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: this is what you're supposed to do. If the people
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  Speaker 2: were going to church, we're only going to church because
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  Speaker 2: it's what you're supposed to do. What about the people
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: who are not told it's what you're supposed to do.
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  Speaker 2: They are nowhere? So how do we get suddenly to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: the gen zs This is where he has the answer.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: He's right about this. When millennials came on the scene,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: we had fewer people than ever to go to for answers,
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  Speaker 2: And now this guy's a millennial because boomers still didn't
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: have the answers and Gen X never got them. So
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: now it is the blind leading the visually impaired. However,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: as we're coming of age, the Internet is in full
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: bloom and some of those of faith are using it
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: to specifically answer the tough questions we have. Father Mike's
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: he's a prominent Catholic who's all over the internet, is
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: one of the most prominent examples, and a quick YouTube
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: search will yield literally hundreds of questions people have been
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: asking him, and they are answered in a short five
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: to ten minute format without trying to beat around the bush.
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  Speaker 2: He also developed the Bible in a Year podcast, by
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: the way zillions of people and I'll listen to that podcast,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: and the Catholicism in a Year podcast, both of which
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: break the Bible. Both of which break the Bible and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: teachings of the Church into segment small enough to consume
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: but packed with what we need. Others, including Bishop Baron,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: another prominent Catholic of the Internet, and any number of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Catholic influencers, there's the word, have begun developing similar types
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: of online presence, including the Catholic Church's presence on social media.
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  Speaker 2: Some millennials responded, but as with some of our own friends,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: even when presented with the options to get the answers
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  Speaker 2: of the answer themselves, they have already been set in
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: their ways, beliefs and routines that they cannot or will
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: not break away from as easily. Gen Z, however, are
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: still in their formative years, and now, after decades of
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: theological drought, they have an entire arsenal of digital media
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: at their disposal, already fully developed, and only ever, having
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: known life with the Internet, can navigate it with more
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: ease than all previous generations. Here's the guys driving it,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: you know how, the influencers, all these goofy influences. They
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: say this, and the next thing, you know, somebody's buying
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: this kind of makeup or this kind of thing, or
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: they're coming up with this way of making a grilled
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: cheese sandwich. All of that. He's pointing out that there
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: are now zillions of religious leaders, Catholic leaders in specific,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: that are on the internet actually explaining this stuff and
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: here's the generation that goes to the Internet to explain
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: and understand things. And because there's still young, they don't
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: have an entire lifestyle in which they're set in their ways.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: They're open to religion if the religion is being explained
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: to them as to why this teaching is correct and
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: why it works. I mean, I think almost everybody of
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: my generation is the same thing. You got a little
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: bit of the why, but it was mostly the what.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: If you're a Christian, there was original sin. The world
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: was adrift. Jesus came and died for our sins, wrote
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: some of the dead. He's God, and suddenly someday we're
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: all going to be the world's gonna end. We're all
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: going to be judged. There was ever a why as
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: to why any of this makes sense or why you
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: can't do this, or how this came about, or what
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: proof that there is of this or any of it.
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  Speaker 2: In order to persuade someone to your point of view,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: if they come there with mush, you actually have to
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: make the case. All I've ever done in my career
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: is try to make the case, no matter what it
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: is that is talking about, like big, on and on
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: and on that it was doing here earlier, what blue state,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: red state? Or take a look at cities run by
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: conservative or moderate leader mayors. And then when a Marxist
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: leads them, just try to make the case. Make the case,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: make the case, make the case. And this guy's point
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: is is that there are now people all over the
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Internet can't be blocked out by anyone. You know, the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: public schools are secular culture. They're debunking religion and not
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: trying to present it to you at all. But somebody
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: who actually finds it unfettered out there on the Internet,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: which would largely be a gen zer, is going to
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: be open to the case, and the case is being
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: made to them. Secondly, everything online is groups, so people
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: feed on this. They find like minded groups, and they
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: seek things out and word of mouth creates one influencer
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: to become huge. I mean, what else could it be?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: He concludes. If they have a question and why it
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: is importan to attend church on Sunday, why does God
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: allow evil in the world, or even something trivial like
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: what does the church teach about getting a tattoo, they
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: will get it answered in minutes in a way that's
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: appealing to them. They also have some of the previous
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: generation who have picked up on growth, growing and faith
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: for answers and slowly setting the stage for not just
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: being able to get the answers to the hard questions,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: but also in some degree remove the stigma of attending church,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: especially the Catholic Mass. So, you know, I think that
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: part's important important. I've talked forever on my program about
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: how people identify themselves. Now we're all in groups, and
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: this is how I identify, identify, identify. Nobody wanted to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: identify as somebody who went to church, so passe. But
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: the more people who do it, the more people who
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: do it. We saw this with the Mega movement. The
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: more they attack people for wearing like the red Mega cap,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: the more people wanted to wear it. So the more
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: young people that are going going to church, the more
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: young people that are going to church. Suddenly it becomes
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: something you are willing to brand yourself as the guy concludes,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna name him, right, I don't like
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: to name people who send me this stuff. I mean
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: sometimes they oh, I want to be named. I want
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: to be named, but you can get blowback out during
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: the world that we're in. His name is Bill. I'm
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: not going to read his last name. I just never
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: feel comfortable doing it. I only like to do it
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: if the person is a public figure. All of this
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: coupled with their experiences of blindly following COVID orders and
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: witnessing the assassination of Charlie Kirk, who built his entire
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: platform by literally being willing to answer the tough questions
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: and not run away to the point of death. I
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: think has prompted so many younger people to question what
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: is truth and to not be afraid to seek out
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: the answers, no matter, no matter where it leads, and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: quickly on that. The Charlie Kirk asked me anything. His
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: content was like half conservative politics, and hey, Charlie Kirk
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: was not a Catholic, but he's Christian and half Christianity.
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  Speaker 2: Some people would ask him and challenge him these questions
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: that he would make the case that you explains very
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: knowledgeable Christian teaching and very knowledgeable and the existence of
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Jesus and so on. He'd make the case and make
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: the case, and make the case and make the case.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: He did the same thing with regard to conservative political beliefs.
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  Speaker 2: This is why he would such the threat to the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: left because the generation that was looking for answers to
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: this stuff wasn't getting the prattle of AOC where it's
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: all just a pose. They were getting somebody to explain
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: it to a generation that wants answers. Anyway, I think
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: we've made a breakthrough an understanding this phenomenon of some
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: and again it's not most Gen z Ers. It's just
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: the higher percentage of Gen Z than the percentage of
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: any other of the generations currently alive in America going
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: to church. And everyone's been noticing anecdotally all over the
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: country this uptick in attendance of people in their teens
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: and early twenties suddenly showing up in particular and Catholic church.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: This is the Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark
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  Speaker 2: Belling Podcast. The Breweries swept the Yankees last year, they
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: swept the Dodgers. It just has the same impact on
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  Speaker 2: the fan base. It doesn't matter. You know, the Breweries
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: are the best record in all of Major League Baseball
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: last year. I think they have either the best their
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: second best record in the last seven years, or whatever
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: it is. There's still this inferiority complex, perhaps because we're
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: a smaller market and we have very few of the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: you know, we don't have a judge of the kinds
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: of people that make headlines everywhere. Or maybe because we
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: haven't won a World Series, just like Okay, the Yankees
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: started the season really hot, Well, we can't beat the
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Yankees and last year the Dodgers are so good to you,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: or we can't beat the Dodgers. See you come in
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: and yet you sweep, as you do both times. It
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: kind of energizes the fan base. And I want to
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  Speaker 2: comment briefly on the finance one of this. I was
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: not at any of the games this weekend, other things
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: to do all of that crap, but you know, I
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: go to a fair number of home games. It just
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  Speaker 2: seems to me that the most fun games are when
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: you have a lot of people who are fans of
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: the other team. And there are certain obviously the Cubs
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: is the obvious example, and it's kind of a it's
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: a category unto itself because of they overwhelm the crowd.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Of all of the other teams that there's fans of
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: the other team there, they're a minority. This just the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: size of Manoris the Twins is one of them. The
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Dodgers in one. The Yankees are one. Basically, it's any
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: national team that's really really good because these there's a
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: lot of people out there that just adopt a team
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: not from their area because they're good. So you get
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: all these Yankee fans, they're all over the ballpark of
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: the srure and love they They're all wearing their judge
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: uniforms at all of it. If I was a Yankee fan,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: of course I'd be wearing Judges uniform. I mean, who
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: am I supposed to wear? Trent Grisham. It's just a
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: lot of fun where they all show up and they lose.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: They were showing at the end of the only game
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: that was not close was Fridays the Brewers won six
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: to nothing. That was the misgame where mis and Shane
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Drohan was also outstanding. Shout out the Yankees and they
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: showed the Yankee fans they showed and the Brewer TV thing.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: They do this every time. They always with the Cubs game.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: When the game's like over in the ninth inning, they
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: way behind you see all the fans of the other
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: team leave it and you see them from behind all
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: walking up the steps, kind of that walk of shame
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  Speaker 2: thing going on. So I'll go to the Brewers. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think this team is very similar to last year.
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  Speaker 2: The pitching is phenomenal, in particular the depth. You're able
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  Speaker 2: to get multiple innings out of the bullpen, and now
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  Speaker 2: with Logan Henderson being called back up, the starting pitching
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  Speaker 2: staff is very, very solid, and the defense is off
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  Speaker 2: the charts. But the Brewers were also lucky. I mean
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  Speaker 2: that game Saturday night. Did you watch the game Saturday night?
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  Speaker 2: Did you see the ending? I mean, you're in that
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  Speaker 2: mode and extra innings where you start with a runner
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  Speaker 2: on second base. So the Yankee scored. I think it
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  Speaker 2: was the tenth inning. The Yankee scored. So the Brewers
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  Speaker 2: is now down by a run, but they start with
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  Speaker 2: a guy on second base, and Brewer has got a
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  Speaker 2: couple of hits and they managed to tie the game.
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  Speaker 2: And the others guys on first and second with one out.
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  Speaker 2: The Yankees bullpen's really good, and they're bringing this lefty
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  Speaker 2: whose er it was like a round one and he's
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  Speaker 2: facing a Brewer. Lefty was a trang I think it
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  Speaker 2: might have been. And he hits this little dribbler right
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  Speaker 2: back to the mound again first and second one went
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  Speaker 2: out instead of throwing the first to get the obvious out,
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  Speaker 2: he tries to cut down the lead runner at third. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you obviously don't want somebody on third base when that
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  Speaker 2: person's the winning run. But when there's two outs, it's
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  Speaker 2: less of a problem than one because when there's one out,
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  Speaker 2: that guy can score on a sacrifice fly. When there's
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  Speaker 2: two outs, it's just a flyout. But here's the thing
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  Speaker 2: with the throw to third. The third baseman wasn't over
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  Speaker 2: to cover the base, so he's throwing to a base
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  Speaker 2: where there's nobody at and he ended up throwing and
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  Speaker 2: plunking the Brewer base runner in Figo and hit him
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  Speaker 2: on the arm, hit him on the hand. He's lucky
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  Speaker 2: he hit him on the hand because the guy who
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  Speaker 2: covering third wasn't there. That ball would have gone down
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  Speaker 2: the left field line and Rafiga would have just gotten
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  Speaker 2: up and scored. As it was he because if Baul
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  Speaker 2: hit off his hand, he had to stay at third,
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  Speaker 2: but then scored on a sacrifice fly. You just, frankly
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  Speaker 2: don't see the Brewers making those kind of mistakes much.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're guys who can't hit, are really good defenders,
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  Speaker 2: like Joey Ortiz. The guys who can hit are very
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: good defenders. It helps their pitching staff that their defense
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  Speaker 2: is just as good as it is. Obviously, the problem
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  Speaker 2: the Brewers faces year as they're in the best division
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  Speaker 2: in baseball for the longest time, they were in last
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  Speaker 2: place with the winning record. The Cubs are I think
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: the Cubs the second best. Are the best record in
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  Speaker 2: baseball right now. Yeah, the Yankees were the best, but
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: we gave them the three losses. Somebody Tampa Bay is
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: really good this year. The Cubs are good. Somebody else
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  Speaker 2: is like twenty eight and twelve. Anyway, the problem the
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  Speaker 2: Brewers face is they're on the toughest division in baseball,
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  Speaker 2: and well, you don't have the incredibly lopsided schedule where
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  Speaker 2: you play such a high percentage of your games against
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  Speaker 2: the division, you still play the division more than anybody else,
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  Speaker 2: and in order to win the division or even get
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  Speaker 2: up high enough in the wild Card, you're facing a
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  Speaker 2: very very tough division. Given that there are no weaklings
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: in the division this year, it's the Braves. The Braves
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  Speaker 2: are the best record I think in baseball right now.
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  Speaker 2: So you have a lot of teams that are like
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  Speaker 2: below average, A few that are elite, and the Brewers
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  Speaker 2: are in this pack now of being one of the
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: few that's actually above average. Everybody in the Brewers' division
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  Speaker 2: except the Cubs, are of above average. The downside for
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: the Brewers is they have no hitting at all on
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  Speaker 2: the left side of their infield. Joey Ortiz is still
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  Speaker 2: not hitting it short. None of the third basemen are
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  Speaker 2: hitting at all. The upside of that is they are
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  Speaker 2: loaded in the minor league. The top prospects in baseball
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: are all Brewer infielders. But that doesn't give you any
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  Speaker 2: help right now. If the pitching staff remains healthy, both
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  Speaker 2: in the bullpen and among the starters, I see no
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  Speaker 2: reason why they're right back in the mid Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 2: mention Aaron Ashby. Aaron Ashby is now seven to zero.
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  Speaker 2: He's a real heaper. Aaron Ashby has more wins than
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  Speaker 2: any pitcher in Major League Baseball. I looked at the
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: list after he got the win on Saturday, and he
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  Speaker 2: almost got the win yesterday. He came in again yesterday,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: but he didn't pitch in the inning in which they
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: scored the run. That was Abner came in for the
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: ninth inning and they scored the run of the ninth.
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  Speaker 2: Had they scored the run on the eighth, he would
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  Speaker 2: have gotten the win. Again, See when a reliever gets
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  Speaker 2: a win, it's when they come in in a game
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: in which it's either tidy or down by one, and
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  Speaker 2: you score a run to take the lead of the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: winning pitcher. If it's not the starter. Is who's in
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: the game when you take the lead for the last time.
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  Speaker 2: So Ashley is in so many games, he's seven and zero.
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  Speaker 2: The next highest number of wins by a reliever is four.
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  Speaker 2: All the pitchers that are at six and five wins
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: are starters. So here's the good one. Do you know
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  Speaker 2: what the record is? I look this up. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know what the single season Major League Baseball record is
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: for wins by a reliever? You say, that's a good guest,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: Dennis Eckers. The problem with any of those guys is
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: you have to pitch a lot. And you know, historically
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: in baseball, it's only in the last fifteen to twenty
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: years that we have this phenomenon start of starters going
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: five or six innings. Only it's all the way back
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: to nineteen fifty nine. The guy's name was Roy Face.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: The Pittsburgh Pirates got eighteen wins in Really now Ashby's
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: on track to pass that. He's right now on track
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: to win over twenty as a reliever. Except it's not
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: going to continue. I mean, it's just when you use
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: four relievers, it's just kind of you know of Ashby
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: will sometimes pitch more than one inning, but if say
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: you're using four relievers, it's just a matter of luck.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: If he's the one who's in the game when you
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: take the lead for the last time, it could easily
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: be like yesterday where your rebay was the pitcher who
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: was in the game, where it could be gran Anderson
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: and so on the reason. So there's been some luck
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: in Ashby getting all these wins. Plus Ashby's pitching really well,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: so it's not like he gives up the lead and
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: becomes a loser. But you have a relief pitcher who's
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: seven to zero and we're not even in the middle
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: of May. May yet once again, the Brewers are finding
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: fun and diversion series now with San Diego, who's also
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: very good.
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  Speaker 1: Again.
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  Speaker 2: Baseball's really it's not like the NBA this year. It's
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: lots of teams way over five hundred that'll probably level off,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: but not too many that are atrocious. See, that was
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: the NBA's problem this year. So many teams that were
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: great and so many teams that were terrible. They passed
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: that they're gonna come up with that anti tanking rule
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: in which the worst records are now not going to
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: have a chance to get the top pick in the draft,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: that the greatest number of ping pong balls or chances
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: in the draft lottery will go to the mostly bad
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: teams the fourth through tenth worst records, and the teams
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: with the three worst records will have less of a
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: chance to try to defeat this whole business of all
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: the tanking that goes on, and it's time to tank.
• 1:22:32
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