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Capitulo 004: Femme Defense · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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Speaker 1: We're talking about fem defense and we're gonna get into
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Speaker 1: a little bit um what does fem defense mean. This
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Speaker 1: is something that um Ariana and I have been discussing,
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Speaker 1: an idea that we've really been, you know, thinking about.
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Speaker 1: We've been letting it percolate in our minds for a
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Speaker 1: little while, and we want to bring this to you
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Speaker 1: now at a specific point in time. And we're doing
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Speaker 1: this cut now with intention. Do you want to tell
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Speaker 1: us a little bit more about about that? Why are
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Speaker 1: we doing this now? Definitely, so we're recording at the
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Speaker 1: end of but this episode will be up a few
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Speaker 1: days after the New Year's starts. And really this episode
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Speaker 1: is a result of the election. After the election, after
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Speaker 1: you know, we found out Trump won, a lot of
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Speaker 1: folks in our communities, queer folks, queer folks of color, women, femis,
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Speaker 1: a lot, just a lot of folks were have voiced
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Speaker 1: how afraid they are. And I think a lot of
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Speaker 1: things that have been talked about online as a result
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Speaker 1: of the election is learning self defense, learning how to
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Speaker 1: protect yourself, learning how to take care of your community,
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Speaker 1: how to protect your community. So we really want to
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Speaker 1: elaborate on that. And UM, as always, we do everything
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Speaker 1: with intention. Everything is on purpose, just like our feminists
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Speaker 1: is on purpose. So that's definitely something that we're gonna
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Speaker 1: elaborate a little bit more in this. So we just
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Speaker 1: want to hold space for folks that are fearing, that
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Speaker 1: are feeling fearful because of the election, and want, um,
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Speaker 1: want them to know that they're not alone and we're
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Speaker 1: here to talk about it, you know. Yeah, yeah, And
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Speaker 1: I mean in addition to all the discussions, and we
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Speaker 1: live a lot online, we live a lot on the internet.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of the discussions that that I take
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Speaker 1: part in and that THEOSA takes part in regarding like
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Speaker 1: how do we feel about the election, how do we
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Speaker 1: feel about the climate, how do we feel about this
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Speaker 1: impending presidency? A lot of these discussions take place online. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, THEOSA mentioned a few different groups of people
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Speaker 1: who are expressing actively a lot of concern, a lot
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Speaker 1: of fear for themselves, for their families, for their safety
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Speaker 1: because of Donald Trump, because of his basically his regime
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Speaker 1: that is gonna you know, come into power come January.
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Speaker 1: And a lot of undocumented women are very afraid and
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Speaker 1: documented people in general, UM, I, myself and the other
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Speaker 1: crisis counselors that I work with, we answer hotline calls
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Speaker 1: on the l A rape and battering hotline, and the
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Speaker 1: day after the election, and we were getting just inundated,
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Speaker 1: flooded with calls from our clients, from undocumented women, um
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Speaker 1: who we had already had contact with, or women who
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Speaker 1: decided to pick up the phone and call the crisis
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Speaker 1: line for the first time and ask us, what's going
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Speaker 1: to happen? What do I do? How do I protect myself?
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Speaker 1: How do I protect my kids? Like very real, very
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Speaker 1: tangible fear from a lot of mohats that don't have
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Speaker 1: status here, um, who have been threatened directly right over
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Speaker 1: the course of this election. And I want to I
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Speaker 1: want to make sure that we when we we talk
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Speaker 1: about Donald Trump and his rhetoric, that that's not just
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Speaker 1: that's not just blowing smoke up somebody's ask Those are
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Speaker 1: direct threats, right that he makes and have direct impacts
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Speaker 1: on people and communities and families and on our psyches. Um.
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Speaker 1: So so yeah, so that's why we're here, that's why
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Speaker 1: we're presenting this today. I'm glad you's how you mentioned that,
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Speaker 1: because I was also going to bring up my job. Um,
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Speaker 1: I know Mona and I were both very much on
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Speaker 1: the internet, but we also experienced these The results of
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Speaker 1: a lot of the things that were said are at
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Speaker 1: our workplaces. And I also work I mentioned in the
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Speaker 1: first I work with immigrant women, mainly in documented women,
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Speaker 1: and post election, it was the same type of fear
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Speaker 1: at the agency. We like put together a list of
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Speaker 1: resources for them. Um, and how of course we're there
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Speaker 1: to support them. So this is like affecting so many,
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Speaker 1: so many different communities across across the nation. UM. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're really just here to to talk about how to
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Speaker 1: protect ourselves and our communities. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean the
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Speaker 1: list goes on and on of the groups of people
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Speaker 1: that are afraid. I mean survivors in general, survivors who
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Speaker 1: are citizens, survivors who have legal status. You know, I've
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Speaker 1: I've gotten phone calls from them, crisis calls from from
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Speaker 1: survivors all across the board, talking about how triggered everybody
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Speaker 1: is by having somebody this violent, this this violent, this
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Speaker 1: abusive right being put into such a high position of
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Speaker 1: power and position the highest position of power that exists,
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Speaker 1: and how that was triggering as far as remembering how
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Speaker 1: their abusers, the people who assaulted them, were able to
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Speaker 1: get away. We're able to use the same rhetoric, the
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Speaker 1: same language of violence and victim blaming and evasion and
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Speaker 1: and so fem defense. What we want to talk about
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Speaker 1: is really how fems, people of color, women of color,
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Speaker 1: fems of color defending oneself is vital and it has
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Speaker 1: always been vital for us as colonized subjects, as subjects
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Speaker 1: who are continuously colonized or post colonized, however you want
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Speaker 1: to identify yourself. But something that we wanted to bring
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Speaker 1: to the table is this idea that for us, as
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Speaker 1: marginalized people, self defense and defensive one one's community didn't
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Speaker 1: start today. It didn't start yesterday. It didn't start during
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Speaker 1: the women's lib movement in the in the fifties and sixties.
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Speaker 1: It's we've been in a state of defense for centuries
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Speaker 1: at this point, for hundreds of years, right. I know, Mana,
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Speaker 1: you have a particular teek about the women's liberation movement
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Speaker 1: and how self defense has kind of been co opted.
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Speaker 1: So can you talk a little bit about that, because
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Speaker 1: I know you are a self defense instructor, so you
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Speaker 1: have your own particular opinion on this. Yes, So the
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Speaker 1: reason why we wanted to call this fem defense and
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Speaker 1: not self defense UM is for a number of different reasons.
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Speaker 1: So I UM have been trained as a self defense
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Speaker 1: instructor through my work through the rape Crisis Center where
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Speaker 1: I work, and I was trained by an incredible group
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Speaker 1: of women. UM really amazing curriculum that I find to
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Speaker 1: be very helpful. And I'm really grateful and just so
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Speaker 1: proud of the fact that I'm able to work with youth,
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Speaker 1: with teenagers, with the elderly, with disabled individuals whoever might
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Speaker 1: need to defend themselves, and that I can go around
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Speaker 1: the city and I can teach self defense classes and
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Speaker 1: the classes are always well received. UM. My co workers
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Speaker 1: who also teach self defense classes are really incredible. But
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Speaker 1: something that I've noticed is that generally speaking, when we
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Speaker 1: talk about self defense, there's this this this pattern where
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Speaker 1: a lot of white feminists, a lot of written history
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Speaker 1: locate like anti violence work and locate self defense as
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Speaker 1: an idea, as a concept, locate the origins of those
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Speaker 1: things in the women's liberation movement right or in the
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Speaker 1: anti violence as being only a response to the Vietnam War.
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Speaker 1: Like that's where anti violence began for humankind right for
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Speaker 1: me thinking about my origins and my history as a
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Speaker 1: woman of color, as a person with very real Indigenous heritage,
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Speaker 1: as a woman and as a survivor. I think about
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Speaker 1: my family, and I think about the fact that self
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Speaker 1: defense of your individual self, but of communities is something
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Speaker 1: that women of color, that people of color have been
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Speaker 1: practicing already for centuries. That the origins of anti violence
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Speaker 1: begin with violence. The origins of anti violence in our
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Speaker 1: communities begin as a reaction to and a response to
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Speaker 1: white violence, to colonial violence, to the Transatlantic slave trade,
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Speaker 1: to Indigenous and African genocide, um to the use of
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Speaker 1: sexual violence and rape as a tool of war, which
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Speaker 1: is something that our women in our communities have experienced
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Speaker 1: since the Transatlantic slave trade, since colonialism in the Western hemisphere.
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Speaker 1: So when the first white invaders right showed up, that's
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Speaker 1: the day I believe that that fem defense began, that
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Speaker 1: anti violence movements began because we were in a put
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Speaker 1: in a position where we had to defend ourselves. Where
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Speaker 1: women of color have been put in positions where we've
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Speaker 1: had to defend ourselves fiercely, um for centuries. However, when
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Speaker 1: we do it when we've done it, it hasn't been
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Speaker 1: recognized formally. You're not going to see that type of critique.
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Speaker 1: You're you're probably in your gender studies course in college
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Speaker 1: or probably in whatever feminist lip class that that you're taking. Um,
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Speaker 1: we see this erature of women of color, of thems
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Speaker 1: of color, of people of color, and our anti violence
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Speaker 1: work and our self defense, which really, when women of
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Speaker 1: color do it, historically, it's community self defense. It's not
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Speaker 1: just defense of the individual, but defense of the entire
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Speaker 1: people group. So that's where I wanted to come from,
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Speaker 1: is when we talk about fem defense, we're locating it
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Speaker 1: in this specific anti colonial history. Yeah definitely. Yeah, Well okay,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, so that's that's and and an anti capitalism
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Speaker 1: right as well, the inception of capital. I love what
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Speaker 1: you said about. I think prior to the recording this episode,
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Speaker 1: you you talked about how women or fems when they're
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Speaker 1: protecting themselves, they're not just it's not just themselves, it's
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Speaker 1: their community that they belong to. And that's generally historically
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Speaker 1: how it is. But for for any type of woman
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Speaker 1: of color that's defending herself, she's defending her tribe, defending
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Speaker 1: the people that she loves, the people that she can
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Speaker 1: also like bear absolutely absolutely, And there's so many examples, um.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we can talk about, for example, Harriet Tubman.
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Speaker 1: Harriet Tubman was like one of the original leaders of
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Speaker 1: anti violence work right. And if you look at and
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Speaker 1: like we said, we talked, we we live a lot
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Speaker 1: online and I live a lot on Twitter, right. So
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Speaker 1: where white feminism fails to acknowledge, you know, women of
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Speaker 1: color and Black women and Native women and our histories
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Speaker 1: of anti violence work, you can find that history on Twitter, right.
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Speaker 1: You can find that history on tumbler where black women
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Speaker 1: have spoken for a long time about Harriet Tubman doing
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Speaker 1: anti violence work, and Sojourner Truth doing anti violence work right,
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Speaker 1: and Harriet Tubman specifically fighting ray terror, generational slavery, all
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Speaker 1: kinds of crazy shit, right, and and doing so from
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Speaker 1: a community lens where she was helping like generations at
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Speaker 1: that point of people to escape from that generational slavery
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Speaker 1: and to escape from violence. I see Harriet Tubman as
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Speaker 1: being one of the four mothers of them defense, one
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Speaker 1: of the four mothers of anti violence work. Um. You
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Speaker 1: could talk about Berta Cares right, and and she recently
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Speaker 1: is somebody who she was assassinated, she was murdered, and
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you you know, everybody probably has examples of
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Speaker 1: women that they've read about or they've heard about in
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Speaker 1: history that spoke to them on a level of you know,
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Speaker 1: she she's fighting, and she was fighting, and that's what
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Speaker 1: we continue to do. In fact, that's an icon and
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Speaker 1: that's somebody who defended not only herself but her people. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you can say that for also just Latin American
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Speaker 1: women in general, like protecting their soil, protecting their earth, um,
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Speaker 1: protecting their communities, you know. And it's really a lot
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Speaker 1: of Indigenous women that are at the forefront that are
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Speaker 1: doing this type of fem defense. Um. I think before
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Speaker 1: we go any further, UM, we kind of we want
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Speaker 1: a little past it, but we should talk a little
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Speaker 1: bit about like what fem defense or what fem is.
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Speaker 1: We talk about them a lot. I know, we both
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Speaker 1: identify as fem um, but maybe folks haven't heard it before,
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Speaker 1: maybe they're starting to identify as fem and so what
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Speaker 1: does that mean? You know, what does fem mean? Why
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Speaker 1: is it different from from women or you know, I
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Speaker 1: think we should talk about that a little bit. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Yeah, um, okay, well I'll start
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Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean, I actually have a video on
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Speaker 1: YouTube about this. It's like my fem of color makeup tutorial,
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Speaker 1: UM and I think so I created that two years
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Speaker 1: ago and shout out to Requin from Latino Mac because
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Speaker 1: she actually wrote a piece about it. Um. Anyway, So
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Speaker 1: for me, fem is like it's a very intentional, um,
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Speaker 1: political act of femininity. It's um, it's more than it's
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Speaker 1: I want to say it's a performance, but it's also
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Speaker 1: like it goes beyond a performance, you know, but it's
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Speaker 1: it's really intentional. It's I think a lot of um
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Speaker 1: we we we can think about femininity and we can
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Speaker 1: think about it as like an opposite to masculinity, but
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Speaker 1: that's not what feminists but a lot of the time
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Speaker 1: that's how we um are how folks will regard fem
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Speaker 1: or femininity. It's like it only exists as an opposite
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Speaker 1: to masculinity. But that's not the case. So I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of fems, especially firms of color um are
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Speaker 1: taking are taking that that term and they're they're really
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Speaker 1: owning it. They're they're paying honor to it, to their
16:38
Speaker 1: firm ancestors um and there's it's such a powerful term. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I think that fem also like for me, I
16:47
Speaker 1: love the term so much because it can be very
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Speaker 1: all encapsulating and very inclusive, because you can be of
16:55
Speaker 1: any gender, gender, gender location, orientation, expression and be fem
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Speaker 1: and have a fem expression and fem identity and FM
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Speaker 1: outlook um and a fem aesthetic. And I love that
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Speaker 1: because often we find that the people who maybe relate
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Speaker 1: to us the best and identify very well with us
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Speaker 1: are not always the people who share our gender right,
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Speaker 1: but we might find more kinships sometimes in people who
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Speaker 1: share that feminists and live in that feminists and feminists
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Speaker 1: is something that is constantly under attack, constantly under attack,
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Speaker 1: and fem's historically have also had to defend ourselves. And
17:37
Speaker 1: although feminists is considered like a marker of weakness or fragility,
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Speaker 1: I don't see CIS males right having their expression and
17:48
Speaker 1: their gender really like CISHT males, their their expression and
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Speaker 1: their identity is not something that is constantly under attack
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Speaker 1: and being degraded or used as an excuse to degrade them.
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Speaker 1: For us, it is. Yeah, And like feminity has seen
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Speaker 1: as frivolous, you know. And I think you know, Jennet
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Speaker 1: Mark has a lot to say about being fem and um.
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Speaker 1: She has in her book Redefining Rellness. She talks about
18:13
Speaker 1: how she can, like my favorite line is like I
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Speaker 1: can I'm like fem on purpose, and I can deliver
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Speaker 1: this keynote with the brightest red lipstick you've ever seen.
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Speaker 1: It's like, and I'm still gonna like do the damn thing,
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Speaker 1: you know. And I think at least for us, you know,
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Speaker 1: there's we're speaking that to existence, like that type of
18:31
Speaker 1: fem power, and I think that's we want this podcast
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Speaker 1: to really encompass all of that, that type of like
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Speaker 1: fem power, fem power, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, fempower, fem defense, femindependence, femisthetics,
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Speaker 1: feminis resistance, all of that. Yeah. So I think maybe
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Speaker 1: what we want to do now is jump into before
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Speaker 1: we finish up the scat people that we want to
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Speaker 1: jump into a song break yes or catera belly ros
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Speaker 1: spend and spends and and and and spends and and
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Speaker 1: and spends delly rong and and spend dell rong and
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Speaker 1: and spends rang and and and um from from from
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Speaker 1: from from from from of it. And I know, Mala,
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Speaker 1: you brought in an example of a group of Indian
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Speaker 1: women that are protecting, protecting our communities. So do you
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Speaker 1: want to talk about that a little bit? Yes, And
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Speaker 1: and these women have been in the news here and
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Speaker 1: there over the past few years. But the Goolabbi gang
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Speaker 1: um is a group of women in India who they
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Speaker 1: dress up in sories that are pink. They walk around
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Speaker 1: with these big pink follows, like these big pink sticks.
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Speaker 1: And when they're they find out that somebody has you know,
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Speaker 1: raped another person, or somebody has molested somebody, or that
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Speaker 1: there's there's usually men, right that have abused another individual,
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Speaker 1: usually women and children. These women, the Goolabby Gang, they
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Speaker 1: show up and they beat the ship out of him. Right.
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Speaker 1: And because in the United States we know that statistically speaking,
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Speaker 1: only about two percent of reported cases of sexual assault
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Speaker 1: resultant convictions. I don't know the statistic in India, but
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's much better. So what I see
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Speaker 1: with the Goolabby Gang, with these women, with these women
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Speaker 1: of color, is that and a lot of them are senoras,
20:59
Speaker 1: their older women, right, because I've read articles on out
21:02
Speaker 1: to zero and stuff. They're older ladies where they saw
21:05
Speaker 1: that the state and quote unquote law enforcement was not
21:09
Speaker 1: protecting women in their community. They got together and they
21:11
Speaker 1: guaranteed it right that. Whether you agree with their methods
21:15
Speaker 1: or not, I think it's sucking dope. I think it's dope,
21:18
Speaker 1: you know. So that's a really good example. And they're
21:20
Speaker 1: out there and they're doing it, and I'm proud of them,
21:22
Speaker 1: and I'm like, can we start one up here? You know,
21:26
Speaker 1: can we wear pink and walk around with pink sticks
21:29
Speaker 1: and just handle because I think that that would I
21:31
Speaker 1: don't know that'll make a big difference. Yeah, it's needed.
21:34
Speaker 1: It's definitely needed for us. Yeah, And I mean they're
21:37
Speaker 1: not the only example of women today. You know, we
21:41
Speaker 1: talked about women, you know, back in the day in
21:43
Speaker 1: history like Harriet Tubmans to join the Truth. Uma is
21:47
Speaker 1: a more recent example of a woman of color who
21:50
Speaker 1: participated on many different levels in self defense and community
21:54
Speaker 1: self defense. We could also talk about Black Lives Matter, Yes,
21:59
Speaker 1: founded by women. Black Lives Matter was sounded by black women,
22:03
Speaker 1: Queer black women were black women, yes, and it started
22:06
Speaker 1: with the hashtag yes. Alicia gar says one of them.
22:09
Speaker 1: It started online, started online, yes, as a response to
22:14
Speaker 1: community level violence, racial violence, systemic violence, systemic violence, police violence. Um,
22:21
Speaker 1: but you see that in a lot of conversations that
22:24
Speaker 1: black women and black fens have online, they also talk
22:27
Speaker 1: about the levels to defense, right that they have to
22:31
Speaker 1: participate in. Because queer black women, uh lead Black Lives
22:37
Speaker 1: Matter started it really gave it the fire. But at
22:41
Speaker 1: the same time, black women still talk about the fact
22:43
Speaker 1: that they face a lot of violence in their communities
22:46
Speaker 1: from members of their community community. Right. So you know,
22:50
Speaker 1: black women are are showing up for their community, but
22:53
Speaker 1: like it's not being reciprocated, right, And we can see
22:55
Speaker 1: that in the Latino community as well, and just like
22:58
Speaker 1: queer community as well and all types communities. The women,
23:01
Speaker 1: the fems that the queer folks, they're they're at the forefront.
23:04
Speaker 1: They're the ones doing like the actual labor, not only
23:06
Speaker 1: maybe physical labor like showing up to a protest or
23:09
Speaker 1: organizing something, but they're also doing the emotional labor for
23:12
Speaker 1: the folks in their community. And then who's showing up
23:15
Speaker 1: for them? Right, That's always the question. It's right, who's
23:18
Speaker 1: showing up for the women? Making care of and we
23:19
Speaker 1: take care of each other, you know, like fems take
23:21
Speaker 1: care of each other, women take care of each other.
23:23
Speaker 1: That type again, community community defense. And I mean there's
23:28
Speaker 1: something to be said, and this is something that I
23:30
Speaker 1: think a lot of maybe activist groups have spoken about
23:35
Speaker 1: any profession helping profession in general. You walk into any
23:39
Speaker 1: rape crisis center, any domestic violence shelter, UM, any domestic
23:44
Speaker 1: violence agency, and the vast majority of the crisis counselors,
23:50
Speaker 1: of the therapists, of the social workers are going to
23:53
Speaker 1: be women. And I work with all women like me
23:55
Speaker 1: to only like the community work with, but my staff
23:58
Speaker 1: at my agency all women, right, And I think that
24:02
Speaker 1: that's that's just another added layer of we do the work,
24:06
Speaker 1: and we do the work, and we do the work
24:08
Speaker 1: and the and that's like for us, like that's our
24:10
Speaker 1: part of our jobs, right. And that's not even talking
24:13
Speaker 1: about like the community work we do outside of our jobs, right,
24:16
Speaker 1: and the stuff we do online, the stuff we do
24:18
Speaker 1: with this podcast, right, and you know all the other
24:20
Speaker 1: things that we're involved in. So who's there for us?
24:23
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah? Well yeah, and and like you said,
24:26
Speaker 1: we have to be there for each other. Um and
24:28
Speaker 1: It's just so interesting that just over and over again
24:32
Speaker 1: we see like the people who are most marginalized are
24:35
Speaker 1: the ones who have to continue to put themselves on
24:37
Speaker 1: the line. We can talk about Standing Rock and the
24:40
Speaker 1: Indigenous women and the Indigenous fems at Standing Rock and
24:44
Speaker 1: how they participated in this huge movement for community self defense,
24:50
Speaker 1: you know, defense of their water supply, of their children's health.
24:54
Speaker 1: You know. I see Standing Rock as human rights, basic
24:57
Speaker 1: human rights, And yeah, I see Standing Rock is just
25:00
Speaker 1: another example of this is an area where women of
25:03
Speaker 1: color were, Indigenous women, Indigenous men were obviously there putting
25:07
Speaker 1: their bodies on the line. But I I see a
25:10
Speaker 1: lot of the fact that women really like we're at
25:13
Speaker 1: the forefront and really we're organizing and bringing people together
25:17
Speaker 1: and really keeping things moving over there. Um. So I
25:20
Speaker 1: would locate Standing Rock as an example of fem defense, Yes,
25:23
Speaker 1: I agree. Uh. And and then more like less formally,
25:28
Speaker 1: in our own lives, what do we do to stay safe,
25:32
Speaker 1: to protect ourselves in our community, our fem defense, our
25:35
Speaker 1: fem defense. Well, who, because I feel like most girls
25:41
Speaker 1: right growing up, your mother, your grandmother, your thea, your
25:45
Speaker 1: older sisters, your cousins, somebody probably gave you gave all
25:49
Speaker 1: of us tips on how to stay safe and an
25:52
Speaker 1: extremely in a world that's extremely dangerous for girls. I
25:56
Speaker 1: think my experience with being told how to protect myself
26:01
Speaker 1: is also related to like my body being policed, so
26:04
Speaker 1: like telling me what I can and cannot wear out
26:07
Speaker 1: of protection to myself, right. Um. I think something that
26:12
Speaker 1: a lot of us are probably told by our mom
26:14
Speaker 1: is like, you know, you have to stay with your
26:15
Speaker 1: legs closed. You know you can have your legs open
26:17
Speaker 1: because you don't want anybody looking at you there or
26:20
Speaker 1: like thinking a dirty thought, right, or like going to
26:22
Speaker 1: the bathroom and impairs, um, never being alone if you're
26:26
Speaker 1: going to be outside. So I feel like it was
26:29
Speaker 1: like indirect to like self defense or like protection, but
26:33
Speaker 1: it was also like shaming in a way because it's
26:36
Speaker 1: like don't wear that, don't do this, don't do that,
26:38
Speaker 1: you know. But I think at least for my mom
26:42
Speaker 1: and the other folks that helped raise me, um, that
26:44
Speaker 1: was their way of like trying to take care of me. Um.
26:47
Speaker 1: I think now like as an adult, I've developed my
26:49
Speaker 1: own type of like fem defense. Um. But yeah, I'm
26:53
Speaker 1: interested to hear, like who taught you how to protect yourself.
26:56
Speaker 1: I think that I had a very similar experience, especially
26:59
Speaker 1: when you're like, well, my mom is very thin, and
27:02
Speaker 1: my mom has always been very thin, and me and
27:04
Speaker 1: my sister we take after my dad and his family,
27:06
Speaker 1: and we're very nal gone now We've always happened Like
27:09
Speaker 1: when I was, when I was already in like the
27:11
Speaker 1: fifth grade, I was already wearing a bigger cup size
27:14
Speaker 1: than then my mom and my thea's And I remember
27:16
Speaker 1: I had a thea make a comment to me. I
27:19
Speaker 1: must have been thirteen or fourteen, and she was an adult,
27:22
Speaker 1: you know, and she already had her kids, and she
27:24
Speaker 1: said to me like, oh, I didn't have curves like
27:26
Speaker 1: that until I was six months pregnant. Yeah, you know,
27:32
Speaker 1: So for for them, because my mom is and my
27:35
Speaker 1: mom and her sisters are very white looking and are
27:38
Speaker 1: very thin and are just not as curvy as me
27:42
Speaker 1: and my sister. So I think for them, and for
27:45
Speaker 1: my mother there and my grandmother, there was a lot
27:48
Speaker 1: of you know, you have to cover up, and because
27:52
Speaker 1: anything that we wore looked or was perceived as more
27:56
Speaker 1: sexual then on another kid who was who you know,
28:00
Speaker 1: was skinnier. Sexualization of young girls young girls of color. Yes, oh, absolutely,
28:06
Speaker 1: the hyper sexualization. I mean, I remember walking home from
28:09
Speaker 1: school one day. I was a freshman in high school,
28:13
Speaker 1: and I wasn't comfortable with any of my classmates yet,
28:15
Speaker 1: so I wasn't comfortable asking anyone for a ride. So
28:18
Speaker 1: I walked home one day and this white man in
28:22
Speaker 1: a sucking Mercedes started following me down the street and
28:26
Speaker 1: like parked next to me and wanted to try and
28:28
Speaker 1: get me in his car. And I freaked out and
28:31
Speaker 1: I started screaming and yelling, and I ran and I
28:34
Speaker 1: ran to like the nearest church, and like, I walked
28:37
Speaker 1: into the church. Safety. Yes, that was safety. Um. But yeah,
28:43
Speaker 1: the policing of the body, um, policing of our dress
28:46
Speaker 1: is often the I think for a lot of our
28:50
Speaker 1: mothers is often the only like tangible piece of advice
28:55
Speaker 1: and safety that they have for us. But on the
28:58
Speaker 1: flip side, you know, I mentioned my father. My father's
29:01
Speaker 1: mother was was very was different, and she was she
29:05
Speaker 1: was a pachuca and she she was a farm worker.
29:10
Speaker 1: She picked cotton and she picked grapes, and all of
29:13
Speaker 1: her kids were child laborers and my dad was a
29:15
Speaker 1: child laborer. And she used to carry a blade in
29:18
Speaker 1: her hair, you know, and talk about fem defense, she
29:21
Speaker 1: wouldn't wrat up. And she had very very very very curly,
29:24
Speaker 1: very thick hair, and she would like rat it, wrat
29:27
Speaker 1: it up like into a beehive and then stick her
29:29
Speaker 1: blade in there, you know, so like the hair do
29:33
Speaker 1: with the blade. And I'm like, goals, like I aspire,
29:38
Speaker 1: But that's like what I think of when I think
29:40
Speaker 1: of like fem defense, Like what why did she need
29:43
Speaker 1: that blade? What was she up against? What kind of
29:46
Speaker 1: threats was she up against in her day to day
29:48
Speaker 1: lives here in in her day to day life here
29:49
Speaker 1: in California, being a woman of color, being a laborer,
29:53
Speaker 1: being poor, being dark, you know, she must have been
29:57
Speaker 1: facing a lot of different types of violence. So I
30:00
Speaker 1: would I don't know. I think that I have that
30:03
Speaker 1: influence that I know of that kind of fierceness, and
30:06
Speaker 1: then I also have had that experience of well, the
30:09
Speaker 1: way that we were taught to stay safe is by
30:11
Speaker 1: muting ourselves. Um, but my my other grandma, you told
30:16
Speaker 1: me a story once about back in Mexico on the
30:18
Speaker 1: fucking Rancho she had to like pistol whip some guy.
30:22
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because my grandma, she's so old
30:25
Speaker 1: that the way she talks about it is like very nonchalant,
30:28
Speaker 1: Like I think she was just washing dishans one day
30:30
Speaker 1: and she was just mumbling under her breath. My Grandma Nach,
30:34
Speaker 1: she's still alive. My other grandma with the switch blade
30:36
Speaker 1: is Grandma Linda, and she passed away years ago. But
30:39
Speaker 1: you know, so I feel like when the time comes
30:42
Speaker 1: or when women in my family have been confronted with
30:45
Speaker 1: that necessity, they've been able to deliver, you know, and
30:48
Speaker 1: to defend themselves. And that's what inspires me. I know,
30:51
Speaker 1: my mom also has similar stories where she would like
30:53
Speaker 1: get into fights, Like my mom has gotten into fights,
30:56
Speaker 1: and I feel like I wouldn't really like seeing my
30:58
Speaker 1: mom and now I'm like, I don't see that, you know.
31:02
Speaker 1: But you know, she also like knew how to protect
31:04
Speaker 1: herself too. She's got into fights, She's gotten into her
31:08
Speaker 1: few fights. You know, I'm sure, I'm sure. I like
31:13
Speaker 1: what you said about like, um, I think we learned
31:15
Speaker 1: to mute ourselves right to protect ourselves, and I think,
31:19
Speaker 1: like for me, that's still something that I'm working through
31:22
Speaker 1: because when I get like street harassed or I'm being
31:24
Speaker 1: harassed by somebody, I like I choose to ignore it
31:27
Speaker 1: because I don't feel safe, like because I will like
31:31
Speaker 1: I will talk back, right, and I have a whole
31:32
Speaker 1: lot of things to say. But if I'm out and
31:34
Speaker 1: about by myself, like what happens if I say something
31:38
Speaker 1: and then they fucking attack me? Right? And like there's
31:41
Speaker 1: there's like actual there's actual stories of like women turning
31:44
Speaker 1: down men and they killed them. Like this is not
31:47
Speaker 1: like made up ship like this is actual, like terrorific
31:52
Speaker 1: like inflicted upon women for saying no right, for protecting themselves,
31:56
Speaker 1: for defending themselves. So I think for me, like I'm
31:59
Speaker 1: still working through the like not being quiet part of it. Um.
32:03
Speaker 1: And I think like aesthetically, like not only like my
32:05
Speaker 1: nails serve as like aesthetic, but like they're my defense,
32:09
Speaker 1: you know, Like I know that if I'm if I
32:10
Speaker 1: ever need to use them, like I will use them
32:12
Speaker 1: and they will protect me. You know, so many things
32:16
Speaker 1: that like about my fem like aesthetic is like on
32:19
Speaker 1: purpose and also like a part of my defense. Yeah,
32:21
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that one of the techniques
32:24
Speaker 1: that we teach, and we're gonna do some little clips
32:26
Speaker 1: of like tips and tricks for fem defense that we're
32:29
Speaker 1: gonna put up on our I g so look out for. Though.
32:32
Speaker 1: One of my favorite techniques that I always love to
32:35
Speaker 1: teach is the eye gouge because it's so effective and
32:39
Speaker 1: if you want to disable an attacker, that's the way
32:42
Speaker 1: to do it. If you got if you have tips, claws, nails,
32:46
Speaker 1: that's the technique for you. So make sure you check
32:48
Speaker 1: out our instagram after we post this cup look because
32:52
Speaker 1: we're gonna be posting those different tips and tricks. But no, yeah,
32:56
Speaker 1: and and it's very real. You know, I don't ever
32:59
Speaker 1: want to give this I dealistic view of fem defense
33:03
Speaker 1: that you know, defending yourself is going to always keep
33:06
Speaker 1: you safe every time, and it always should only look
33:09
Speaker 1: like this. That's not true. That's not true. You know.
33:12
Speaker 1: In this episode, we're really just providing our individual experiences,
33:17
Speaker 1: our tips, our tricks, you know, based on our personal
33:20
Speaker 1: experiences and also research that we've done. UM, but self
33:26
Speaker 1: defense or any type of martial art or any type
33:29
Speaker 1: of weapon that you carry on you, nothing's a guarantee.
33:32
Speaker 1: I don't know what you all are going to be
33:35
Speaker 1: facing and what you all are going to be up against.
33:37
Speaker 1: And like the ASA said, there's very real examples here
33:40
Speaker 1: in l A. You know, we track these things because
33:42
Speaker 1: of the work that we do. But just right by
33:46
Speaker 1: my house, not too long ago, there were I remember
33:48
Speaker 1: there was a story about two young women who I
33:50
Speaker 1: think but it must have been high school age, and
33:52
Speaker 1: they were on Pico Boulevard at a bus stop, and
33:56
Speaker 1: you might have read about this. Yeah, and these two
33:59
Speaker 1: men in who I'm going to I'm going to assume
34:01
Speaker 1: that they were Latino because this was in Pico Union. Um,
34:06
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna make the assumption, but I know that
34:08
Speaker 1: two men drove up to these women, these girls, I
34:12
Speaker 1: should say, because they were under age, they were high
34:14
Speaker 1: school girls. They drove up to these girls at the
34:17
Speaker 1: bus stop and said something to them or asked them out,
34:19
Speaker 1: or wanted their phone numbers, and the girl said no.
34:23
Speaker 1: So these guys drove away, and one of the girls
34:27
Speaker 1: called her mother, and her mother showed up at the
34:29
Speaker 1: bus stop. And while this girl was waiting for her
34:32
Speaker 1: mom to show up, these guys went somewhere, got a
34:37
Speaker 1: fucking gun and then drove back to the bus stop
34:40
Speaker 1: and shot one of the girls and her mom. Right, So,
34:46
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that if you're if you stay quiet
34:50
Speaker 1: in in a in a potential, potentially dangerous situation, that
34:54
Speaker 1: you will be safe. If you're quiet, you could be
34:56
Speaker 1: met with retaliation. There's no guarantee that if you defend
35:00
Speaker 1: yourself you won't be met with violent retaliation. Because we
35:03
Speaker 1: see examples daily almost of women doing one or the
35:08
Speaker 1: other of staying quiet in the face of violence and
35:11
Speaker 1: still being retaliated against, and women standing up for themselves
35:14
Speaker 1: in the face of violence and still facing retaliation. I think, like, yeah,
35:20
Speaker 1: what you're saying is really really important, and I think
35:23
Speaker 1: it just reminded me of how we keep each other safe,
35:26
Speaker 1: Like women, fems, we keep each other safe. You know.
35:29
Speaker 1: I have a best friend who she trains in Brazilian
35:32
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu, and she's always like showing me like little
35:35
Speaker 1: moves whenever I see her, Like she's trying to teach
35:37
Speaker 1: me little things, and she's always encouraging me to take
35:40
Speaker 1: a class with her. And that's something that's really out
35:42
Speaker 1: of my comfort zone because it is like at it
35:44
Speaker 1: like practically like an all male gym, So that's definitely
35:47
Speaker 1: out of my comfort zone. But like just like her
35:50
Speaker 1: her thought of me, like being like Hey, I really
35:52
Speaker 1: want you to come do this with me, or like
35:53
Speaker 1: even she sees me, she's like you let me show
35:55
Speaker 1: you this, you know, And it's like we're looking out
35:57
Speaker 1: for each other. We're constantly like thinking of people that
36:00
Speaker 1: may need this, Like you're out of you're out in
36:01
Speaker 1: the field, you know, you're out working and you're doing
36:03
Speaker 1: this community work, like you you should know how to
36:05
Speaker 1: do this, you know. So we're constantly like thinking about
36:08
Speaker 1: each other and share check each other's shape. Yes, that's good.
36:12
Speaker 1: Everybody should have a girlfriend, like find yourself a girlfriend
36:17
Speaker 1: who's going to share knowledge with you and teach you,
36:20
Speaker 1: you know, what they know, or maybe you could be
36:23
Speaker 1: that person for your girlfriends. Yeah, I think like we're
36:26
Speaker 1: going to leave a post. We're gonna we're post something
36:29
Speaker 1: like a text image on our Instagram and we're we
36:32
Speaker 1: would like for you to share like some of your tips, um,
36:34
Speaker 1: some of your firm defense, how you how you you know,
36:38
Speaker 1: stay safe and anything along the lines of that. We'd
36:41
Speaker 1: love to hear from us. Please, um do that comment
36:47
Speaker 1: or message us. But but I think we can make
36:50
Speaker 1: this a community share, a community firm defense share. We
36:54
Speaker 1: want all the firms all the more heads everybody. If
36:57
Speaker 1: you have tips, if there's something you've learned along the way,
37:00
Speaker 1: please comment and post on on our Instagram so everybody
37:04
Speaker 1: can see if you're comfortable, you're comfortable. If not, like,
37:06
Speaker 1: shoot us a d M, you know, so we can
37:09
Speaker 1: we can engage in a conversation with either of us.
37:12
Speaker 1: We would love to have that with Ali. Y'all. Yes,
37:15
Speaker 1: And also what are your favorite like fem defense? Like
37:18
Speaker 1: what do you do to keep yourself safe? Keep myself safe?
37:21
Speaker 1: I stay fierce, constantly constant, like I think I'm always
37:24
Speaker 1: on an alert. I never if I'm walking, I like
37:27
Speaker 1: I never have headphones in. I know some people use
37:30
Speaker 1: that as their firm defense because they don't want anybody
37:32
Speaker 1: to talk to them. But for me, like, I feel
37:34
Speaker 1: like that keeps me from being on the alert. I'm
37:37
Speaker 1: always One thing in particular is if I'm at a restaurant,
37:41
Speaker 1: I sit. Um, I will never sit with my back
37:43
Speaker 1: to the door right, so I need to see everybody
37:45
Speaker 1: that comes in and out. I like I always have
37:48
Speaker 1: my eye to like, like, um, what is it like Lando?
37:55
Speaker 1: So for me, that's how I like feel more comfortable.
37:58
Speaker 1: I feel safe and if not, like just a simple
38:01
Speaker 1: if i'm walking or I'm somewhere, I'll call somebody, like
38:04
Speaker 1: you just stay on the phone with me while I
38:06
Speaker 1: do this, because I'm feeling a little weird, you know.
38:08
Speaker 1: So I think having those that type of like your
38:11
Speaker 1: contact list, like who can you call if you're not
38:12
Speaker 1: feeling safe? Yeah you know, yeah, No, those are really great.
38:16
Speaker 1: So you practice a lot of awareness. Awareness is what
38:20
Speaker 1: I'm hearing. And I do that too. In like, I
38:23
Speaker 1: don't like having my back to the door or my
38:25
Speaker 1: back exposed. I'd rather be up against the wall so
38:29
Speaker 1: I can see everything in front of me. And I think,
38:32
Speaker 1: I don't know where I learned that from, but it
38:33
Speaker 1: just it makes me uncomfortable. I feel uncomfortable if my
38:37
Speaker 1: back is exposed. Yeah, I don't like. I don't like
38:40
Speaker 1: that people can see something that I can. It makes
38:42
Speaker 1: me feel uneasy. Yeah, you know, No, that's really good.
38:45
Speaker 1: And the definitely calling somebody I'm not afraid to. I've
38:50
Speaker 1: taught myself where I've forced myself to not be afraid
38:54
Speaker 1: to look at people in the eye when I'm on
38:57
Speaker 1: the street. Um, and that I'm you know, whatever tips
39:01
Speaker 1: that we share is what we're comfortable doing. I'm comfortable
39:05
Speaker 1: practicing these things. So I do them because it makes
39:08
Speaker 1: me feel secure. But if you're not comfortable doing these
39:10
Speaker 1: things and don't do them, you know. Um, but one reason.
39:14
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of women, a lot of fems,
39:17
Speaker 1: walking around a lot of us, and I noticed this
39:19
Speaker 1: about myself. Will often, you know, look to the floor
39:23
Speaker 1: or I'll avert our gaze when there's a man walking
39:26
Speaker 1: towards us. And that can be a very safe thing
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Speaker 1: to do. Some men read something as simple as eye
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Speaker 1: contact as an invitation. For some men, just looking at
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Speaker 1: them is enough for them to bother you right the
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Speaker 1: For me, I, depending on the situation, I will look
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Speaker 1: whoever is approaching me or crossing my path or in
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Speaker 1: the same room as me, and if they make me uncomfortable,
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Speaker 1: I'll look them right in the eye so that they
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Speaker 1: know that I see them. If I have to, I
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Speaker 1: d that person for whatever reason. I can do it,
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Speaker 1: you know, because I've I've made it an intention to
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Speaker 1: look at them and they know that I see them.
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Speaker 1: That's something that I do. The other thing that I
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Speaker 1: like to do is you know, any time you're walking
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Speaker 1: by any type of like a car or a window
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Speaker 1: or reflective surface. Yeah, you know, like I like to
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Speaker 1: check myself out and you know if I look cute
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Speaker 1: or check on my outfit. But if you're looking in
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Speaker 1: a car, you can see a few feet behind you
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Speaker 1: and see if someone's following. Yeah, you do do that too,
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Speaker 1: that to do that good. Yeah, that's a really good one.
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Speaker 1: I like that one. I mean, keeping even if you
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Speaker 1: just have somebody if you're in a sticky situation and
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Speaker 1: you're not comfortable, maybe pulling out your phone something that
40:37
Speaker 1: I've done and that you can do. Even if your
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Speaker 1: phone is just in your pocket and you have someone
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Speaker 1: on another call, if they can listen to what's happening,
40:45
Speaker 1: that person is technically a witness to what's just occurred,
40:48
Speaker 1: if they can hear what's going on. Right. Um. Yeah,
40:53
Speaker 1: So those are I mean for me, those are like
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Speaker 1: some of the basic ones that that I practice just
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Speaker 1: here and there, especially on the street, just keeping myself safe. Yeah,
41:01
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing those tips. I think they're they're
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Speaker 1: really important and I'm really excited to hear um or
41:06
Speaker 1: to read what some of y'all are going to post
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Speaker 1: on our on our Instagram. So you don't like to
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Speaker 1: share with us, please share with us. And I'm wondering
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Speaker 1: did you, guys, I wonder how many of you or
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Speaker 1: ther side, did your mom or your grandma ever talked
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Speaker 1: to you about having a fucchi face out in public?
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Speaker 1: Fucci face? So what what? What would you how would
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Speaker 1: you define a fucchi face? Okay, fucci face? I guess
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Speaker 1: like now would be like kind of like your bitch face. Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: so it's just like the nobody bothers you. Yes, my
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Speaker 1: ugly face. Don't mess with me. I look. I like
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Speaker 1: to look mean, mean as hell, mean as hell, and
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Speaker 1: I don't give a funk like I'm sure maybe you've
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Speaker 1: had guys, Why are you mad? Why are you upset?
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Speaker 1: You should smile? Smile more know the funk I should not.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling yes, you know what. I feel like that's
41:56
Speaker 1: something I developed as a as a teenager, as an
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Speaker 1: adult because my mom is like so smiling, So for me,
42:03
Speaker 1: my mom would actually tell me to smile. Okay, so
42:05
Speaker 1: I didn't get that, like right, but I feel like
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Speaker 1: it's something I developed afterwards, like being in being in
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Speaker 1: the world. I'm like, oh, ship, I gotta protect myself,
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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, no, absolutely, it's so important. And your face,
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Speaker 1: ah yeah, like our faces. Sometimes we don't notice, but
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Speaker 1: if we get nervous, and we tend to smile when
42:26
Speaker 1: we're nervous. You know, I don't want to police anybody's
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Speaker 1: facial expressions. You can't help it sometimes if you smile
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Speaker 1: when you're nervous. But it's good to know yourself and
42:37
Speaker 1: to know your body, to know your get to know
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Speaker 1: your face. You know, how do you react physically when
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Speaker 1: you're in a difficult situation? How do you react physically
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Speaker 1: when you're you know, when you're you're you feel cornered.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you're nervous, do you smile? Is that
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Speaker 1: red as an invitation? You know, it's just good to
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Speaker 1: know yourself. You can practice your Futie face. Yes, practiced
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Speaker 1: in the mirror. That would be a Fucci face. Send
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Speaker 1: us your Fucchi face. I love it. Let's do that.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna do that. Hashtag Fuchi face, fem defense. Hashtag
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Speaker 1: Fuchi face. So please send us your firm defense tips
43:18
Speaker 1: hashtag fem defense. Send us your Fuchi face. How do
43:21
Speaker 1: how are we going to sell Fucci face? Formally? You
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Speaker 1: see hi fuccii right, so hashtag Fucci face fuc h
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Speaker 1: I show us your mean mug, your fucchi face. You
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Speaker 1: know what do you put on to tell people to
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Speaker 1: back to funk up? Yeah, the funk away from the
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Speaker 1: funk away. Don't approach me, don't talk to me, leave
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Speaker 1: me alone. Let's see your fucchi face and your firm
43:47
Speaker 1: defense techniques. And in the meantime, I think that's where
43:50
Speaker 1: we can start wrapping up. Now, we touched everything for
43:54
Speaker 1: this capital. Like Mala said, we are going to be
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Speaker 1: posting um fem defense video like little I g clips Um.
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Speaker 1: That was something that because we're talking about it, but
44:04
Speaker 1: we also want to show y'all like how to protect yourself.
44:07
Speaker 1: Maybe you've never been um, we've never experienced a type
44:10
Speaker 1: of fem defense or self defense class. So that's something
44:12
Speaker 1: that we want to make accessible to folks because it
44:15
Speaker 1: can be expensive. You know, some places offer for free,
44:17
Speaker 1: which is great, some places don't. So we want to
44:19
Speaker 1: make this as accessible as possible because we want you
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Speaker 1: all to stay safe absolutely, and if you are interested,
44:25
Speaker 1: you know that what we're going to show on our
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Speaker 1: Instagram is nothing too intense because there's some physical techniques
44:33
Speaker 1: that it's best to learn in a group setting or
44:36
Speaker 1: at a gym or with like a professional watching you
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Speaker 1: and making sure that you don't hurt yourself. So I
44:42
Speaker 1: don't want to introduce any physical techniques over the interwebs
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Speaker 1: that you know you might hurt yourself doing. It's just
44:50
Speaker 1: these are very basic tips and tricks that are accessible
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Speaker 1: and easy to get you guys. Started to get you inspired,
44:56
Speaker 1: to get you thinking about fem defense, to get you
44:59
Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, defending yourself and your communities. Maybe
45:02
Speaker 1: in that can be an intention you set for yourself.
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Speaker 1: Go take a boxing class kickboxing most if you if
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Speaker 1: you go to your local domestic violence agency or rape
45:12
Speaker 1: crisis center, you can usually find some type of a
45:14
Speaker 1: self defense class, low cost, free sliding scale. So you
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Speaker 1: know this is in no way meant to be exhaustive.
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Speaker 1: We're just trust or a substitute exactly. So thanks so
45:29
Speaker 1: much for listening. Again, we'll have our we'll talk about
45:33
Speaker 1: our fifth in the upcoming weeks, but we're going to
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Speaker 1: leave you with this, so thanks again for tuning in
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