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Corpsewood Manor - Part 2 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Last episode, we began the story of corpsewood Manor, so
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  Speaker 1: be sure to check out part one before continuing with
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  Speaker 1: us in part two today. But with that being said,
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  Speaker 1: if you're ready, let's continue the story.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 2: and Grim, a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Warning.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience.
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  Speaker 3: Listener discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 1: We have a very Canadian story to discuss before we
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  Speaker 1: get into the episode today.
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  Speaker 2: Is this a very Canadian story?
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  Speaker 1: Well, not this story that, but.
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  Speaker 2: What you're about to say?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, I guess you don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we had a it's probably like a one week
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  Speaker 1: old baby moose that was wandering up and down the
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  Speaker 1: road we live on, and it was like trapped on
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  Speaker 1: one side of the fence and people were like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, like baby moose, watch out. And then the
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  Speaker 1: mother was like hanging around and trying to get to it,
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  Speaker 1: but traffic and stuff. Long story short, they're both nowhere
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  Speaker 1: to be found today, which means they probably reunited after
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  Speaker 1: dark and wandered across on their way.
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  Speaker 2: We can hope they've reunited. But that baby was so cute,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I could have just gone and snuggled
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  Speaker 2: the shit out of it, but that is not allowed.
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  Speaker 1: You can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: No, you can't do that, even if I enjoyed it
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  Speaker 2: from afar well, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's cries too, yeah, like it was crying calling first
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  Speaker 1: mom and yeah, it was like, oh my god, this
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  Speaker 1: thing's adorable.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty cool to witness. Actually, I would have
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  Speaker 2: loved to have seen them reunited. So, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: knew for sure, but I'm sure that they found themselves.
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  Speaker 1: They do, and it is It is very common for
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  Speaker 1: a mama moose or a cow moose if you want
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  Speaker 1: to call it the proper term or whatever cow moose
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  Speaker 1: to leave the young the calf for hours on end
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  Speaker 1: while it goes off. There's a lot to do with
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  Speaker 1: like the science behind it, whether it's like food or scent,
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  Speaker 1: all this sort of things, but it's common. And I
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  Speaker 1: think it was just a matter of it was in
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  Speaker 1: a rough area because traffic fences. Yeah, so getting the
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  Speaker 1: reuniting needed to wait till dark, and I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: it happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it maybe wasn't the best area to leave the
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  Speaker 2: little one.
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  Speaker 1: But the animals didn't that better, right, we're invading in
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  Speaker 1: their territory exactly. But that aside, you ready for part
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  Speaker 1: two of Corpse with Matter?
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  Speaker 2: I really am. Actually, this one, I will say has
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  Speaker 2: been on my mind more than any other break between
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  Speaker 2: a part one in part two?
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  Speaker 1: Oh really? Yeah, I mean it is quite the story
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  Speaker 1: in this one. It is very urban legend almost the
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  Speaker 1: way it builds up and honestly the way it leaves hanging,
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  Speaker 1: well not hanging, but leaves off too. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: to it in that regard. And it's also a very
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  Speaker 1: tragic tale. And we haven't got into any tragedy yet,
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  Speaker 1: so I mean, if you're ready, we can get into it.
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  Speaker 1: But I've got a bit of a recap. How about
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  Speaker 1: we start with that?
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  Speaker 2: That would be great.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, By the early nineteen eighties, Corpsewood Manor had become
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  Speaker 1: one of the most whispered about places in Northern Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Hidden deep in the mountains at the end of Dead
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  Speaker 1: Horse Road, it was an isolated, handmade brick manner that
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  Speaker 1: was surrounded by rumors of Satanism, drugs, occult rituals, and
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  Speaker 1: secret gatherings. But behind the stories were just two men
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  Speaker 1: named Charles Scudder and Joey odom now they had spent
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  Speaker 1: years building a private life far away from society and
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  Speaker 1: society that they didn't want to be a part of.
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  Speaker 1: It's not society itself, it's just they didn't fit into
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  Speaker 1: it now. At the same time, a troubled local teenager
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  Speaker 1: named Kenneth Avery Brock had become increasingly familiar with the
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  Speaker 1: property after visiting Corpsewood a few times and being invited
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  Speaker 1: in for drinks and socialization. Over time, Kenneth became convinced
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  Speaker 1: that this manner was hiding wealth, and after growing close
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  Speaker 1: with a violent older man named Tony West, the two
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  Speaker 1: began discussing robbing the isolated property hidden in the woods.
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  Speaker 1: After one failed attempt on December tenth, nineteen eighty two,
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  Speaker 1: the pair returned to drinking, abusing inhalance, and obsessing over
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  Speaker 1: this manner and the potential wealth until eventually they decided
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  Speaker 1: they were going back. And that's where we left off.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, there was a lot more background on everyone involved,
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  Speaker 1: but that's the gist of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was quite a place to leave us hanging.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're ready, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. It was Sunday, December twelfth, nineteen eighty two, and
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  Speaker 1: It began quietly at Corpsewood Manor. Winter had settled over
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  Speaker 1: the mountains of northern Georgia. The woods surrounding property would
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  Speaker 1: have been cold and damp by nightfall, but inside the manner, however,
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  Speaker 1: life moved according to the routines that Charles and Joey
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  Speaker 1: had built over the previous five years. The candles, the
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  Speaker 1: wood stoves, and the lanterns gave the isolated home its
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  Speaker 1: usual warm glow against the darkness outside and elsewhere. At
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  Speaker 1: some point that evening, Kenneth and Tony began drinking heavily together.
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  Speaker 1: The two men were also abusing in halens, as they
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  Speaker 1: always did, getting high from it, and whatever hesitation may
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  Speaker 1: have existed during their failed robbery attempt two days earlier
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  Speaker 1: had appeared to have largely disappeared. Over the course of
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  Speaker 1: that evening, they made the decision to return to Corpsewood
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  Speaker 1: Manor once again, and with them that night were two
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  Speaker 1: other individuals, a man named Joey Wells and a young
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  Speaker 1: woman named Teresa Hudgens Now. Reportedly, the two of them
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  Speaker 1: did not fully understand what Kenneth and Tony intended to do.
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  Speaker 1: When the group first headed towards the Mountain that night,
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  Speaker 1: but some accounts suggest that at least Teresa believed they
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  Speaker 1: were simply going to visit the property to drink and socialize.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, the group eventually made the drive up the
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  Speaker 1: winding road dead Horse Road towards Corpsewood. When they did,
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  Speaker 1: Charles and Joey once again welcomed their visitors inside with
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  Speaker 1: much without much suspicion. I should say that openness had
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  Speaker 1: become a defining part of that manner. Guests were routinely
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  Speaker 1: offered wine, food, conversation, and a place to relax, regardless
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  Speaker 1: of who they were. Much of the early evening was
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  Speaker 1: spent inside the pink room area while the group drank
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  Speaker 1: wine and talked. Teresa later described Charles as friendly and conversational,
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  Speaker 1: behaving much the same way he reportedly did with many
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  Speaker 1: other visitors who came to the property. Joey, on the
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  Speaker 1: other hand, moved back and forth between the outbuildings and
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  Speaker 1: the main manner, tending to chores around the house while
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  Speaker 1: the others remained gathered in that pink room. Kenneth and
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  Speaker 1: Tony meanwhile continued drinking heavily as the night progressed. Then,
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  Speaker 1: at some point during that evening, Theresa later recalled the
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  Speaker 1: atmosphere beginning to change. The longer Kenneth and Tony drank,
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  Speaker 1: the more tense and unpredictable they seemed to become. Even so,
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  Speaker 1: there's little indication that Charles or even Joey, when he
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  Speaker 1: was in the room, fully recognized the atmosphere changing around them.
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  Speaker 1: The couple had spent years welcoming unusual people into the property,
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  Speaker 1: and Charles especially seemed accustomed to dealing with unstable personalities
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  Speaker 1: or provocative situations without becoming uncomfortable or even frightened, So
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  Speaker 1: it probably wasn't out of their wheelhouse really to say.
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  Speaker 1: But that's when things changed, because Kenneth produced a rifle.
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  Speaker 1: The twenty two caliber Remington's Speedmaster rifle that was borrowed
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  Speaker 1: from his mother had been concealed beneath his clothing before
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  Speaker 1: being brought into the property, and at some point during
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  Speaker 1: the gathering, Kenneth suddenly pulled weapon out and pointed it
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  Speaker 1: directly at Charles. Then what happened next became one of
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  Speaker 1: the most haunting details associated with this case. You see,
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  Speaker 1: rather than immediately panicking, Charles reportedly laughed and responded by saying,
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  Speaker 1: quote bang bang, It seemed like Charles initially believed Kenneth
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  Speaker 1: was joking or maybe just being overly theatrical, and given
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  Speaker 1: Charles's own dark sense of humor and the unusual atmosphere
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  Speaker 1: often surrounding corpsewood, he may have genuinely assumed the situation
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  Speaker 1: wasn't serious and in fact just a joke. But within moments, however,
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  Speaker 1: it became clear that this wasn't a joke.
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  Speaker 2: Holy, okay, that's really interesting. Yeah, I'm surprised by his
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  Speaker 2: reaction at first.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, what else do you really do when
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  Speaker 1: you're faced with a gun in your face? Many people,
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  Speaker 1: when they are scared of something, they start laughing or
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  Speaker 1: they make jokes if they're uncomfort you know what. So
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  Speaker 1: humor is not exactly as far fetched as one might think,
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  Speaker 1: especially for someone with a dark humor like Charles.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose, but I don't know. I feel it almost
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  Speaker 2: seemed like he wasn't alarmed though either.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he was, no, But I mean, who's
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  Speaker 1: to say, like, oh, are you really capable of that?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, being surprised it must be a joke.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and it's probably good not to potentially escalate the situation.
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  Speaker 1: As well for sure. Now this did progress, though Kenneth
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  Speaker 1: reportedly grabbed Charles, He forced him down and began restraining
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  Speaker 1: him while armed with the rifle. A knife was reportedly
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  Speaker 1: also produced, and Charles was tied up and gagged. As
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  Speaker 1: Kenneth and Tony began demanding to know where the money
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  Speaker 1: was now, Charles attempted to explain to them that there
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  Speaker 1: was no money or no secret fortune hidden on the property,
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  Speaker 1: nothing like that, but his attackers didn't believe him. Charles
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  Speaker 1: report tried to remain calm while this was all happening,
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  Speaker 1: even while restrained, and he continued to try and reason
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  Speaker 1: with the men during the ordeal, and even asked Teresa
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  Speaker 1: if she was all right despite the situation, People who
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  Speaker 1: knew Charles later said that the reaction reflected part of
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  Speaker 1: his personality. He often seemed to believe he could intellectually
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  Speaker 1: or emotionally navigate almost any situation, but the atmosphere inside
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  Speaker 1: Corpse would well. It was already deteriorating rapidly beyond his control,
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  Speaker 1: and at some point during the chaos, Teresa Hudgens and
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  Speaker 1: Joey Wells attempted to actually flee the property. They reportedly
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  Speaker 1: reached a vehicle and tried to escape down the mountain,
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  Speaker 1: but the car would not start, so instead of escaping,
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  Speaker 1: they went back inside into the nightmare that was unfolding
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  Speaker 1: in the manner.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so they really weren't privy to this information what
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  Speaker 2: was about to go down here?
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  Speaker 1: Not really. I think they were a byproduct of being
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  Speaker 1: friends with these individuals and they're just basically by proxy
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  Speaker 1: to the the crimes that were unfolding.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the violence at this point had escalated to where
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  Speaker 1: everyone inside the manner understood they were dealing with something
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  Speaker 1: unpredictable and extremely dangerous. Charles remained tied up while Kenneth
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  Speaker 1: and Tony continued to demand the money. Now, the pair
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  Speaker 1: were still convinced that there was a hidden fortune existing
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  Speaker 1: somewhere on the property. There must be, at least that's
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  Speaker 1: what they thought in their minds, but Charles still repeatedly
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  Speaker 1: insisted that there was no large amount of cash hidden anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: But the explanations only seemed to frustrate the attackers further
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  Speaker 1: and just fell on deaf ears. Meanwhile, joey Odom remained
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  Speaker 1: inside the manor near the kitchen area, tending to whatever
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  Speaker 1: chores he was dealing with. Now, this is taking place
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  Speaker 1: in the pink room, which is that like three story
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  Speaker 1: chicken coop outside that was partially converted, right, so a
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  Speaker 1: different building entirely. But at some point during the confrontation,
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  Speaker 1: Kenneth turned and moved towards the house carrying that twenty
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  Speaker 1: two caliber rifle and then the gunfire stot guarded Joey
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  Speaker 1: Odom was shot multiple times near the kitchen and the
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  Speaker 1: woodstove area. The violence erupted quickly and chaotically inside the
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  Speaker 1: candlelit manner. Blood spread across sections of the kitchen floor
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  Speaker 1: while the sound of gunshots echoed through the isolated brick house.
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  Speaker 1: The family's mastiff dogs, beazl Bub and Arsoneth they were
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  Speaker 1: also shot during the attack, of course, they were later.
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  Speaker 1: Crime scene analysis reportedly showed blood trails and signs of
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  Speaker 1: movement near Joey's body, which indicated that he may have
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  Speaker 1: survived briefly after the initial shooting before succumbing to his wounds,
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  Speaker 1: and then after that, after Joey was shot, at some point,
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  Speaker 1: Charles was then dragged from the pink room area towards
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  Speaker 1: the main manor, according to later reconstructions of the scene,
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  Speaker 1: Kenneth and Tony forced him inside, where he saw Joey
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  Speaker 1: laying in his own blood on the floor. Whether he
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  Speaker 1: was dead or alive at this point is unclear, but
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  Speaker 1: the situation continued spiraling further out of control. One of
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  Speaker 1: the strangest details connected to the murders reportedly occurred during
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  Speaker 1: this part of the attack. You see, earlier that same day,
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  Speaker 1: Charles had been recording himself playing the harp and reciting
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  Speaker 1: William Blake's poem The Tiger onto a portable tape recorder
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  Speaker 1: as a gift for a friend. Now, during the chaos
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  Speaker 1: inside the Manner, as it was unfolding, one of the
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  Speaker 1: attackers accidentally activated this recording, and suddenly Charles's own recorded
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  Speaker 1: voice began echoing throughout the house while the horrifying events
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  Speaker 1: continued around him. As Kenneth and Tony moved in the manner,
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  Speaker 1: searching desperately for money that did not exist, his voice
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  Speaker 1: rang out reciting a.
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  Speaker 2: Poem Oh holy shit. Really, yes, that just seems like
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  Speaker 2: the most eerie kind of thing that could have happened.
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  Speaker 1: Really, I know, and this detail, like, honestly, this detail
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most infamous elements of this story
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  Speaker 1: because it sounds like so impossibly surreal.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, do you know what the poem was? Is that
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  Speaker 2: something we talk about later?
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  Speaker 1: It's called The Tiger William by William Blake. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: looked up the poem. We could if you want, Maybe
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  Speaker 1: we can do a post show or something on this
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  Speaker 1: and put it on Patreon and I'll recite the poem
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  Speaker 1: or something if it's not too long. But I have
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  Speaker 1: a feeling it might be lengthy, so we'll see. But regardless,
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  Speaker 1: according to several sources connected the investigation, the recording genuinely
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  Speaker 1: played during these portions of the attack and the aftermath,
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  Speaker 1: and at some point during the ordeal, Tony reportedly threatened
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  Speaker 1: Charles with a soldering iron while demanding information about the money.
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  Speaker 1: But even under this extreme stress, seeing his partner laying
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  Speaker 1: in his own blood dead, being forced at gunpoint, all this,
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  Speaker 1: Charles allegedly responded with more dark humor, reminding Tony about
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  Speaker 1: the manner by saying, quote, you idiot, there's no electricity.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, you're threatening me with a hot soldering iron.
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  Speaker 1: How you're going to turn it on? Like he dumb asses?
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  Speaker 1: Basically what he's says.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, holy yeah, that surprises me, but it doesn't surprise me, Like,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't seem like he's panic. He's probably panicking, but
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  Speaker 2: he's just like really good at hiding it.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose it's possible it might be that he's just also,
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  Speaker 1: you know, going on reflexes at this point and what
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  Speaker 1: his base is, and that base is, you know, verbalizing
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in his brain and intellectually trying to
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  Speaker 1: navigate things. And so he sees this and in front
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  Speaker 1: of him, and intellectually he knows that's not going to work,
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  Speaker 1: so he just verbalizes what's going on upstairs, you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So it could just be an automatic reflex for him too.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to say now. Eventually, Charles either broke free
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  Speaker 1: or lunged towards Joey inside the manner, the exact sequence
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  Speaker 1: very slightly depending on the source, but investigators later concluded
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  Speaker 1: that Tony shot Charles at close range during the confrontation,
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  Speaker 1: and the injuries he sustained were devastating. Charles suffered multiple
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  Speaker 1: gunshot wounds to the face and to the head, with
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  Speaker 1: later reports describing extensive blood loss throughout portions of the
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  Speaker 1: library and nearby areas where he collapsed, and some accounts
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  Speaker 1: also mention a final shot was placed to his forehead,
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  Speaker 1: and right before Charles died, he allegedly said, quote, I
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  Speaker 1: asked for.
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  Speaker 2: This, end quote, I asked for this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a very like dark and abstract thing to
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  Speaker 1: say for someone's final moments, to say the least. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm laughing, but it's just because I can't comprehend it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not funny. But like, in a situation like this,
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  Speaker 1: it's no surprise to say that the meaning behind a
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  Speaker 1: statement is debated, to say the least, right, because what
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  Speaker 1: did he mean with that?
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm?
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  Speaker 1: So some people interpret this as Charles acknowledging the risk
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  Speaker 1: involved in welcoming like unstable strangers into his home.
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  Speaker 2: Or world, okay, and being so remote.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And others also believe that he may have meant
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  Speaker 1: something more philosophical, because I mean, that's kind of who
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  Speaker 1: he was and about the life that he had chosen
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  Speaker 1: to live outside conventional society. Now, there were also questions
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  Speaker 1: about whether the quote could have been remembered inaccurately amid
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  Speaker 1: all the chaos that night, But we just don't know, huh. Now,
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  Speaker 1: whatever he did mean, though the violence side corpse would
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  Speaker 1: it had come to its crescendo, and an eerie silence
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  Speaker 1: settled over the manor and the mountain alike.
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  Speaker 2: This is just so unsettling, Like it's ridiculously sad, but
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  Speaker 2: it's just also bizarre how everything kind of aligned here.
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  Speaker 2: So you have like this remote place that already has
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  Speaker 2: like the most eerie of names out there, yep, and
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  Speaker 2: then these I don't know, beautiful souls in there and
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  Speaker 2: they're just like getting completely fucked for lack of better words,
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  Speaker 2: and they're on you know, there's his voice playing a poem,
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  Speaker 2: and it just it just doesn't even I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: like put myself in the scene, but it seems almost
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  Speaker 2: like it's not even real.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. And there is one more detail that I'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about here later on that adds to that surrealism,
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  Speaker 1: the mystique of all this, because holy shit, it's another one.
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  Speaker 1: It's very similar to like the poem playing. There's there's something, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't want to give it away just yet,
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  Speaker 1: but trust me, there's another thing that adds to it.
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  Speaker 1: And you're right, it is very surreal and like, what
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  Speaker 1: the fuck how is this actually happening?
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  Speaker 2: Like just his last words, the fact that they actually
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  Speaker 2: welcomed these people into the house, right, and we're like
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  Speaker 2: socializing with them, and this still happened. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's just it seems like it should be
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  Speaker 2: this almost like classical movie like Romeo and Juliet or
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  Speaker 2: something like. This should be like a movie. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: we're sitting down watching.
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  Speaker 1: Some dark twentieth century gothic novel or something. Yeah, reading,
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  Speaker 1: But it's not. This is real life.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: People went through this, yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Now as it sits. Only hours earlier, the isolated property
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: had been filled with conversation, candlelight, music, and ordinary routines
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: of life on the mountain, But now the manner had
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: become a blood covered crime scene, hidden deep in the woods,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: with the bodies of Charles Scudder and Joey's odum and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: their two mastiffs as well lying inside the home that
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: they had spent years building together. And still Kenneth and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Tony kept searching for the money. Despite everything that had
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: just happened, the pair remained convinced that Charles and Joey
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: must have hidden cash somewhere inside the house or on
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the property somewhere. The two moved through different sections of them,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: opening drawers searching rooms, ransacking parts of the home while
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Teresa and Joey Wells remained nearby. And they're terrified of
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: what they just witnessed. They just witnessed a slaughter. And
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: the longer the two search, the clear it became that
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the fortune that they imagined simply to be there was
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: not true, that it was not real, it did not exist.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: You think that you would make sure you had freaking
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: evidence that something like this hap or that they had
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: wealth before you did something like that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Well they thought they did, which was the manner, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: all the things inside brutal, But the reality was that
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: corpse would it looked valuable because it had been built
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: through years of labor, craftsmanship, antiques, artistic work, love, rather
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: than actual monetary wealth. Now, sure they had that inheritance
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: that got them the start for the land and the building,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: but everything else was pure labor by those two, and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the realization of this appeared to have frustrated the attackers
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: even further determined to not leave empty handed. Various items
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: were then stolen from the property, including weapons, personal belongings,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and smaller valuables that could be easily carried, But compared
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to the violence that had just taken place, the robbery
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: itself seemed almost meaningless in comparison, Charles and Joey had
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: been murdered over an imagined fortune that never existed. Then,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: at some point during the aftermath, Kenneth and Tony discussed
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: burning corpsewood manner down to the ground in order to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: eliminate any evidence, But for some reason, one reason or another,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: they ultimately abandoned the idea and instead focused on leaving
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the property with whatever valuables they could carry. But before
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: they could leave, there was still another problem. Teresa Hudgens
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and Joey Wells were alive and they witnessed everything.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Teresa later described being terrified that Kenneth and Tony might
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: decide to kill them too, because by that point the
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: attackers had spent hours drinking heavily using inhalance to get high,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: searching desperately for money, and any sense of rational thinking
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: seemed to be basically out the window, or at the
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: very least, if there's any remnants, it's disappearing fast well.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: And I think on a normal day they wouldn't have
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: had much rational thinking to.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Them exactly now. Thankfully they didn't turn on them, and
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: eventually Kenneth and Tony loaded the stolen items into Charles
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Scudder's jeep and prepared to leave the property. And behind them.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: As they drove off with all four of them in
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the vehicle, Corpsewood manner fell silent. The isolated mountain roads
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: surrounding the property meant that there were no nearby neighbors
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: to hear the gunshots or investigate disturbances. After leaving, the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: group of four headed away from the mountain and eventually
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: returned to a trailer associated with Kenneth and Tony. By
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: that point, Teresa desperately wanted to leave or contact someone
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: for help, but the atmosphe remained dangerous. Kenneth and Tony
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: had already made it clear that nobody was free to
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: simply walk away from what had happened at Corpsewood. After all,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Teresa witnessed to murders and the attackers knew it, so
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: for the next several days she remained effectively trapped around
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the men responsible for the killings. Now I should clarify
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: some later descriptions portray Teresa as being held directly against
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: her will, while others suggest the combination of fear, intimidation
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff surrounding the situation made
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: it feel impossible for her to really like escape that way,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: So which one is the truth It's hard to say,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: but either way, her survival and eventual cooperation with investigators
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: would later become one of the most important developments in
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the entire case. Now, meanwhile, Kenneth and Tony were trying
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to still figure out what to do next. The robbery
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: had failed, and now instead of a bunch of money,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: they had some stolen belongings, a stolen vehicle, and multiple
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: murders connecting them directly to a crime scene. They talked
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: about what to do. They were thinking about fleeing Georgia
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and the country and disappearing before authorities could identify them.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: They knew they needed to keep moving at the very least,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: so over the next few days they prepared to flee
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: using Charles's jeep while the bodies inside corpse with Manner
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: remained undiscovered in the mountains. The isolation Charles and Joey
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: had once valued so deeply was now working against them
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: in the worst possible way, because days could pass without
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: anyone checking on the manor, especially during the winter. So
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Kenneth and Tony loaded up the car again, and now
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: this time the two of them were on the road
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: heading west, while Teresa Hudgens and Joey Wells stayed behind.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: The two on the road were driving and had very
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: little money. They had no clear long term plan, and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: were attempting to flee after committing multiple murders, so whatever
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: confidence or excitement that they had may have fueled the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: robbery fantasy beforehand had started collapsing under the reality of
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: what they had done. According to several later accounts, the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: two men continued drinking heavily and abusing inhalence while traveling,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: making their behavior even more erratic and unpredictable. While driving,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: they continued discussing fleeing the States, going to Mexico, or
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: even the Philippines, though most of the plans appeared to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: be unrealistic or impulsive rather than actually being carefully thought out.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: It seems like they were operating almost entirely on panic
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and intoxication at this stage, so as they continued west
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: through the south of the States, they eventually crossed into
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Mississippi on December fifteenth, nineteen eighty two, the fugitives stopped
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: at a rest stop. It was an area near Benita, Mississippi,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and it was there that they encountered a man named
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Kirby Phelps. Now, Kirby was a former police officer and
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: off duty highway patrolman traveling through the area and at
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: some point an interaction began at this rest stop with them,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and at some point in that Kenneth and Tony decided
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: they wanted his vehicle, so the pair attempted to car
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: jack Kirby right then and there. However, Kirby resisted and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the confrontation quickly turned violent, and during the struggle, Tony
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: shot and killed Kirby with the very same twenty two
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: caliber rifle.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Seriously, this shit is an ending.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Didn't end there?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: And sorry, was he retired officer? Was he just off duty?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Or he's an off duty highway patrolman? He's a former
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: police officer?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, wow, just brutal. So they clearly didn't really have
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: much regret or remorse of taking two people's lives if
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: they're just going to take another.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Clearly, but there's also the arguments of the intoxication on
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: their end. You know, how far did that push him?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: How much reality was still left in their mind? Were
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: they still aware of what they were doing? There's arguments
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and discussions all about that, but I agree with you wholeheartedly.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Clearly they did not have any remorse, in my opinion.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And so then they're just driving around to being completely
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: out of their mind.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Yep, and toxkid as fuck.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Like putting a whole bunch of other people at risk exactly.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: So just the worst of the worst.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, total winners.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Jeez.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: But now they shot Kirby, they abandoned Charles's jeep, and
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: they stole his Toyota before continuing west. Meanwhile, concern had
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: already started growing back in Chattooga County. Now, I do
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: got to clarify something in Part one. I had a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: few people message us and tell me I pronounced it
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Chattahooga or Chattanooga something like that. I think my brain
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: just saw how it was written. It was like, oh,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I know that place, and I just like verbally vomited
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: out what I thought it was.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: It's Chatooga County, Okay.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Days had passed without anyone hearing from Charles Scudder or
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: joey Odom, and the silence surrounding Corpsewood Manor was beginning
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: to feel rather unusual. Although the couple lived privately and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: often spent long stretches isolated on the mountains. Several people
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: who knew them reportedly started sensing something was wrong after
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: repeated attempts to contact them failed. Eventually, a neighbor named
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Raymond Williams headed towards the property to check on the couple.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: As he approached the manor, Raymond immediately noticed signs that
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: something was terribly wrong. According to later accounts, he observed
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: damage and evidence of violence around the property before contacting authorities.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Law enforcement soon began making the difficult drive up Dead
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Horse Road towards the isolated manor deep in the woods,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and what investigators found inside would become one of the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: most infamous crime scenes in George's history. By the time
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: authorities entered the manor, the bodies had already been decomposing
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: for several days. The smell inside the house was reportedly
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: overwhelming in horrid. Multiple later accounts described investigators walking into
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: stagnant air mixed with decomposition. There was smoke residue from
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: wood stoves and a heavy odor of death hanging throughout
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the candlelight structure. Flies covered portions of the scene, and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: officers quickly realize they were dealing with an extremely violent
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: crime that had gone undiscovered for days. Joey Odam's body
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: was found near the kitchen and the woodstove area. He
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: had suffered multiple gunshot wounds, and blood covered sections of
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the nearby floor indicated that he may have been alive
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: briefly and tried to move. Investigators documented those patterns and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: movement trails, and nearby, the mastiffs Bazebub and Arsonath were
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: found dead after being shot during the violence too. Charles
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Scudder's body was discovered in the library area of the manor,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and investigators documented multiple gunshot wounds to his head and face,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: along with extensive blood loss surrounding his body. Some reports
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: later referenced fragments of teeth and Charles's glasses being located
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: nearby his corpse, as well. Holy The scene reportedly disturbed
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: even experienced investigators. Part of that reaction came from the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: contrast inside the manor itself. Ordinary household objects, books, candles,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and even Christmas decorations reportedly remained scattered throughout parts of
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the home near the violence, creating an unsettling feeling that
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: normal life had been interrupted suddenly and brutally.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I was just sitting here thinking like, if I
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: was one of those officers, I would just not want
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: to enter. I would be like, I don't want to,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: but you have to. That's their job. And holy frick
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: the scene there walking into would just be something you
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: would never ever be able to recover from.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: For sure. But there was one more thing I said
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I was going to talk about that made this story
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: very uneasy.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Right, Oh, I think we're already uneasy enough, but okay.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Well, in this moment, as they're checking out the crime scene,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: that's when investigators noticed a painting. Investigators found themselves staring
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: at a painting that Charles had created months earlier. See,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: it was a self portrait that he painted of them,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: depicting him bound, gagged, and wounded by gunfire. After seeing
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the condition of his body, Several people connected to the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: investigation remarked on the eerie similarities between the artwork and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the actual crime scene itself, and over time that coincidence
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: it became one of the most urban legend like details
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: connected with corpsewood manor you have that you have this
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: poem playing in the background when it all took place.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: It made for some eerie coincidences.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Well, no kidding that doesn't even make any sense to me.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I'm having trouble processing that. Like he had painted himself
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: kind of in this scenario a couple months earlier.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, not necessarily this exact scenario, but very similar, bound,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: gagged and shot.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, wow, that is bizarre now.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Investigators also discovered many other items in the house that
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: would soon dominate media coverage for this case, things like
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: a cult artwork, the candles, unusual sculptures, pornography, evidence of
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: un conventional sex activity, and LSD inside the manner. They
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: were all sensational elements to an already bizarre crime scene,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and things we discussed in quite depth in the first part,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: And within hours, rumors surrounding Corpsewood manner exploded outward into
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the public. For years, locals had whispered stories about devil
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: worshippers living in a strange castle hidden in the woods,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and now newspapers and gossips throughout Georgia had been treating
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: these rumors as though they had been confirmed after all
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: this time. In fact, much of the early attention focused
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: less on the murders and the victims themselves, even like
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: they focused more on the victim's sexuality. The Satanism, the lifestyle,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: that's what they were about. Meanwhile, the two men were
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: hundreds of miles away who were responsible for this, and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: they were moving across the South with a growing paranoia
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: about being caught now after they murdered Kirby Phelps to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: rest stop in Mississippi, authorities discovered Charles Scudder's abandoned jeep
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: near Tallula, Louisiana. Inside the vehicle, investigators also reportedly found
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: twenty two caliber ammunition and other evidence linking the abandoned
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: jeep to the Georgia murders. And in that moment, investigators
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: realized that people responsible for what happened at Corpse would
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Manor were not only still on the run, but they
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: had committed another killing while fleeing west, which meant they
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: may yet even do it again. Information began moving quickly
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: between law enforcement agencies in Georgia and Mississippi and Louisiana
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: as the case evolved into a multi state manhunt. At
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the same time, on December sixteenth, Teresa Hudgens contacted her
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: uncle for help and told him everything that had happened,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and so he came picked her up and shortly afterwards,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: investigators were now interviewing Teresa and Joey Wells too, and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that both of them they began explaining what had happened
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: inside corpse would matter that night, and for the first time,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: authorities now had names of those who were responsible, and
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: so arrest warrants were quickly issued for Kenneth Avery Brock
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and Samuel Tony West, and the manhunt got more intense.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I'm actually surprised that they left these witnesses like this. Hey, yeah,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they were thinking was going to happen,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: but it's honestly awesome that there was witnesses to this.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I agree, But I think that these two they just
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: they were operating on pure panic and intoxication. So I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: mean they left behind Charles's jeep with evidence in it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: They left behind a murder victim on the side of
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the highway that connects the two crimes. Right there. You
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: have witnesses that they laughed like there's so much they
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: left that they are not of sound mind.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: No, well, yeah, they didn't plan this well, but I
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: mean thankfully so, because they need to be caught in
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: face some serious consequences for sure.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: But while the investigation was rapidly closing in around them,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Kenneth and Tony were beginning to fall apart. The stress
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: of the murders, the constant fleeing, the lack of money,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and the reality of being hunted across multiple states created
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: growing tension between the two of them. They were exhausted,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: they were broke, intoxicated, and now tied to three murders
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: spanning multiple states, and eventually the pair separated. Kenneth returned
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to Georgia first, and after returning home, Kenneth's mother reportedly
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: became aware that something was terribly wrong. Before long, Kenneth
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: surrendered to authorities on December twentieth, nineteen eighty two. Tony,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, he remained on the run, and
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: once Kenneth was in custody, the investigation quickly moved and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: before long he began talking. Reportedly, Kenneth was emotionally overwhelmed
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: after his arrest. The days spent fleeing across the cell
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: with Tony had left him exhausted, paranoid, and increasingly unable
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to hold himself together, and he eventually provided statements describing
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the events that unfolded at Corpsewood Manor, and although portions
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: of his story shifted a bit over time, and some
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: details conflicted with other testimonies, investigators believed much of the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: overall sequence matched the physical evidence found of the crime scene.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Kenneth described the robbery discussions that had taken place beforehand.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: He described the earlier failed attempt and then the return
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to Corpsewood on December twelfth, armed with that twenty two
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: caliber rifle. He also confirmed that the pair had expected
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to find large amounts of money hidden inside the manner,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: but they didn't. And the more investigators questioned Kenneth, the
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: clearer it became how heavily fantasy and rumor had influenced
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the entire crime. Because Kenneth had spent months building up
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: an exaggerated image of Corpsewood in his mind, the manner's appearance,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the antiques, the rumors, and Charles's eccentric life style had
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: all convinced him the couple must be secretly wealthy. Then
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the robbery spiraled into multiple killings over money that wasn't
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: even there. Meanwhile, Tony was still out on the run.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: As authorities intensified the search, details from Kenneth's statement were
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: shared across state lines while investigators worked to track Tony's movements.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: After the murder of Kirby Phelps. The case was rapidly
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: gaining attention through the South, especially as reporters began focusing
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: heavily on the bizarre details surrounding Corpsewood Manor. Then, on
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Christmas Eve of nineteen eighty two, Tony West surrendered himself
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: to authorities in Tennessee. According to several later accounts, Tony
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: appeared calm when he turned himself in, saying something along
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the lines of quote, go ahead and take me.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: So.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: With both suspects finally in custody, investigators could finally fully
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: reconstruct the timeline of the crimes. Witness statements from Teresa
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and Joeoe Wells became critically important during the Stage two. Theresa,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: in particular, provided detailed accounts about the atmosphere inside the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: manner before the violence ever erupted, and the chaos that
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: followed once the shootings did begin. Physical evidence from the
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Corpsewood Manner also aligned with much of what the investigators
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: had been told. Blood patterns, bullet trajectories, and positions of
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the bodies, as well as stolen items recovered later all
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: helped confirm the general sequence of events. Investigators also connected
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the twenty two caliber rifle found to being the same
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: one that was used at Corpsewood and the same one
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to be used to murder Kirby Phelps in Mississippi. At
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the same time, however, the investigation itself was increasingly becoming
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: overshadowed by sensationalism. The more reporters learned about Charles Scudder
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and Joey's odom, the more attention shifted towards all the
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: things in their life, the satanism, the homosexuality, a cult artwork, LSD,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the pink room, you name it. Some articles portrayed Corpsewood
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: like a sinister cult compound hidden in the mountains, rather
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: than a private home built by two men trying to
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: live outside mainstream society.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: That really bothers me, Yeah, because here's something terrible happened
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: to two individuals that were literally just live in their
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: best life, and they're going to make it into something else.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Well, for sure, they weren't even being treated like victims.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: They were being treated like something else entirely, which pisses
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: me off.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: By the time the court proceedings began, the murders at
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Corpswood Manor had already become one of the most sensationalized
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: cases in Georgia in a long time, if not ever.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Reporters packed the courtroom hearings looking for shocking detail to
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: fuel their articles. Instead of simply being remembered as two
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: men killed during a robbery, Charles and Joey increasingly became
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: symbols onto which people projected fear, discomfort, and moral judgment.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: It was all because of the growing Satanic panic fear
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: across the United States in the early nineteen eighties, and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: as a result, much of the court room discussion repeatedly
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: drifted towards those same repeated topics of Satanism, homosexuality, pornography,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: unusual lifestyle, all of it, all the things that Charles
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and Joey had created on the Mountain. At times, it
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: almost seemed as though the victims themselves were being placed
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: on trial for their own chosen lifestyle. Now the courtroom
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: judgment to the victims aside, there was still real progression
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: in the case too. Kenneth, for example, eventually agreed to
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: cooperate with prosecutors and testified directly against Tony During the questioning.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Kenneth described the robbery discussions leading up to December twelfth,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the earlier failed attempt to rob the manner on December tenth,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: and the events that unfolded during the murder themselves and
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: his testimony showed how heavily greed had motivated the crime.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: He described believing that Charles and Joey were hiding large
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: amounts of money inside the manner, and confirmed that the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: robbery discussions between himself and Tony had developed rather than
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: emergingontaneously one night. At the same time, however, the defense
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: strategy surrounding Tony West often focused heavily on the victims themselves.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Some arguments attempted to portray Charles and Joey as corrupting
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: influences or dangerous predators. Discussions involving sexuality in the ping
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: room repeatedly resurfaced throughout the proceedings, ones that we alluded
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: to it in Part one, but also could not fully
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: be proven one way or another either, and portions of
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: the defense's narratives seemed designed to suggest the violence had
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: somehow been provoked by the environment at Corpsewood itself. One
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: of the most infamous moments associated with the trial came
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: from Tony West directly when he stated quote, all I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: can say is they were devils and I killed them.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Oh my quote.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, like fuck off, buddy, right, this is pissing
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: me off a little bit.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Well like that statement though, like it it's it shows
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: how deeply satanic panic or whatever fears you want to say,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: like infected the public and the understanding of the murders.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Because like whether Tony genuinely believes Charles and Joey were
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: evil or whether he just recognized how like effectively a
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: statement like that might actually rise exactly and resonate with
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: portions of the public. It remains terrifying, to say the
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: least of which he was going for. But either one,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: it's it's brutal to think about he's leaning into it
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: at all, we know.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I just think a lot of the stuff that's being
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: brought up shouldn't even be worried about. Really, I agree,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: they're getting away from what the frick is actually supposed
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: to be happening. That two people murdered two people, so well,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: why is there all this other shit being brought in?
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Exactly? But still all this shit is being brought in
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: to the point that it's even being used in court
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: as a fucking defense. I just hate that, I know now,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Regardless the quote followed the case for while we're talking
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: about it now, so it's still following the case. And
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: despite the sensationalism surrounding the trial, the evidence against Tony
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: remained overwhelming. Ultimately, in November of nineteen eighty three, a
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Georgia jury found Tony west guilty for the murders of
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Charles Scudder and Joey Odom, as well as the murder
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: of Mississippi Highway Patrol officer Kirby Phelps during the fugitive's
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: escape across the South. He was sentenced to death for
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the murders. The prosecution argued that the robbery had been
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: planned in advance and that the killings were deliberate executions
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: carried out during the commission of armed robbery and kidnapping.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Avery Brock eventually pleaded guilty to multiple murders connected
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: to the corpse, with case including the killings of Charles Scudder,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Joey Odom, and Mississippi Highway Patrol officer Kirby Phelps. In
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: exchange for his cooperation with investigation and his testimony against
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Tony west Well, he avoided the death penalty and instead
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: received multiple consecutive life sentences behind bars. For a time,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: it appeared the legal chapter of Corpsewood murders were finally
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: coming to an end. But several years later Tony's conviction
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: was overturned due to issues involving the composition of the
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: grand jury reports connected to the appeal reference concerns involving
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the unrepresentation of women during the original proceedings. So Tony
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: was later retried and ultimately received consecutive life sentences instead
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: of the death penalty. After the trials ended, Corpsewood Manner
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: did not remain as it was. The murder had already
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: transformed the property into one of the most infamous locations
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: in Georgia, and almost immediately the isolated manner began attracting
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: curiosity seekers, vandals, reporters, and people simply wanting to see
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: the place for themselves. The rumors that had once circulated
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: quietly around Somerville were now spreading far beyond to Tuga County.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: People wanted to see the supposed Satanic castle hidden in
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the woods, and in the weeks following the murders, the
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: property reportedly suffered repeated acts of vandalism and theft. Individuals
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: entered the manner searching for souvenirs, cult artifacts, or evidence
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: supporting the wild rumors surrounding the case. Various personal belongings, decorations, artworks,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: and pieces of the property itself allegedly disappeared during that period,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: and one item that became especially infamous was the missing
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: guest book from the Pink Room that we discussed in
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Part one. It had allegedly contained the names of visitors
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: who had spent time in Corpsewood over the years, and
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: it disappeared and fueled years of speculation, especially among people
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: who believed respected members of the local community may have
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: secretly visited the property and later wanted evidence erased. Whether
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: any of those theories were true, though, remains impossible to
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: fully determine, and the mythology around Corpse with Manner just
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: kept growing. And then the fires began. In January of
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three, only weeks after the murders took place,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the former Chicken Coop aka the Pink Room burned down.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: It seemed that the fire was likely intentionally set, though
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: accounts differ regarding who was responsible. Some people believed the
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: building was destroyed specifically because of the rumors and notoriety
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: surrounding it, but the destruction did not stop there. Later
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: that same year, the main manner itself was heavily damaged
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: by another fire. Several later accounts claimed a religious extremist
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: deliberately burned portions of the property after becoming convinced that
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: corpsewould represented evil or satanic influence, but either way, by
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the time the fire was extinguished, much of the structure
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Charles and Joey had spent years building by hand was destroyed.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: What had once been a functional home slowly transformed into
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: ruins hidden in the Georgia Woods. Portions of the brick walls, pathways, towners,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and foundations remained standing, but nature gradually began reclaiming the
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: mountain while the remains of the Manner deteriorated year after year.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: At the same time, the legends surrounding corpse would only
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: continued to grow. Story spread, claiming the property was cursed.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Some visitors reportedly took bricks or objects from the ruins
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: as souvenirs, only to later return them after experiencing accidents, nightmares, illness,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: or personal tragedies, and over time ghost stories became inseparable
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: from the history of the manner itself.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Too.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: People claimed they heard gunshots echoing through the woods at night.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Others reported hearing phantom barking from the dead mastiffs. Some
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: visitors insisted they heard harp music drifting through the trees
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: near their ruins. Whether any of those stories are true
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: mattered less and less as time passed, though Corpse would
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: manner had evolved into something closer to modern folklore than anything. Books, documentaries,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: paranormal investigations, and internet forums, as well as even podcasts,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: all help keep the story alive decade after decade. The
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: combination of satanic panic isolation, brutal violence, occult imagery, and
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the haunting appearance of the ruins it created a perfect
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: environment for mythology to flourish. But underneath all the ghost
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: stories and the sensationalism remained a much simpler and much
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: sadder reality, one that gets overlooked far too often, in
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: my opinion. Charles Scudder and Joey Odom had spent years
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: building a private sanctuary where they believed they could live
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: freely and authentically, away from the judgment of social pressure.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: They created Corpsewood brick by brick with their own hands,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: shaping the property into a reflection of their interests, identities,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: and even philosophy. For a time, they succeeded. Visitors remembered music, candlelight,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: homemade wine, philosophical conversations, gardens, and evenings that felt peaceful
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: and strangely removed from the rest of the world. But
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: the same isolation that made Corpse Wood beautiful also made
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: it vulnerable. The rumors surrounding the property eventually became larger
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: than the truth itself. For many, Charles and Joey stopped
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: being real people and instead became symbols of fear and
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the occult. By the time violence finally arrived on the mountain,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: much of the community had already made up their minds
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: on who they were, and they transformed the couple into
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: something monstrous in their imagination. More than forty years later,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: the story of Corpsewood Manner still feels suspended, somewhere between
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: true crime and folklore. Part of that comes from how
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: strange nearly every element of this case sounds when laid
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: out together. It honestly sounds almost fictional, But ultimately, beneath
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: all that folklore, the reality of what happened at Corpsewood
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: was much more human than supernatural. Charles Scudder and Joey
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Odom were not mysterious occult villains hiding in the wood
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: plotting evil rituals. They were complicated, unconventional people trying to
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: build a private life outside the expectations of society around them.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Charles was provocative, intellectual, theatrical, and at times reckless, and
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: how openly he challenged societal norms, while Joey, on the
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: other hand, was quieter, gentler, and deeply involved in the
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: practical life they built on that mountain. They openly embraced
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: ideas and lifestyles that many people around them found uncomfortable,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: especially in rural Georgia during the late nineteen seventies and
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties. Yes, there were drugs at Corpsewood. Yes
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: there were sexual encounters between consenting adults. There was a
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: cult imagery and satanic symbolism throughout the property, and Charles
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: even openly rejected traditional religious and societal expectations. But none
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: of that justified what happened to them. And honestly, as
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: two people who decided to leave them traditional jobs and
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: sell their home to create a podcast and live in
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: a tiny home, I think we can understand chasing something
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: than not everyone gets. We get mocked. People thought our
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: ideas were absurd, and yet what they did was much
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: harder than what we did, and in a more oppressed
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: time too. One of the most unsettling aspects of this
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: case is how quickly public attention shifted away from their
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: murders and towards judging their chosen lifestyle. They were humans
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: living out their dreams, and then they became victims, and
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: even in death they were ridiculed and feared, And in
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: all honesty, I don't know which one is sadder, the
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: fact that they were murdered or the fact that people
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: turn their legacy into something monstrous. But no matter how
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: you see this story, though, the reality is that the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: violence that occurred never came from a supernatural evil, hidden occults,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: or dark rituals at all. It came from people who
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: judged them the so called normal ones. It came from
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: their greed, security, addiction, resentment, and human brutality. Kenneth Avery
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Brock and Tony West did not target corpse would because
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: they were confronting literal devils. They targeted the manner because
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: they believed two isolated men living alone in the mountains
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: were hiding money that could be taken. The mythology surrounding
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the property may have helped them rationalize the violence afterwards,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: even to some, but the murders themselves were still horrifying.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: That reality may ultimately be what makes a story so unsettling.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Decades later, Charles and Joey spent years trying to escape
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the violence, hypocrisy, and hostility they believed existed in the
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: outside world. They built Corpse Would Manner by hand as
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: a place where they could live freely according to their
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: own values, surrounded by art, nature, conversation, music, and privacy.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: But the same judgment followed them up Dead Horse Road,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and in December of nineteen eighty two, that same judgment
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: killed both of them in cold blood. Today, the ruins
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: still sit hidden in the Georgia Woods on private land.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Portions of the brick walls and pathways remain standing beneath
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: the trees, while stories about ghosts, curses, and hauntings continue
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: to circulate, and the real tragedy of Corpsewood Manner remains
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: the same. That two victims could never escape the judgment
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: of others, and that's the story of the Corpse Would Manner.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Who That ending got me a little yeah, I'm well,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I mean this whole freaking case ass my gosh, because yeah,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: we just live in this world that doesn't allow you
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: to be different without being judged.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, that's exactly what it is.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's just wild.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Well, and like I said, we've experienced it and we
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: don't have a life we live out of societal norms,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: but not even to the degree they did, And so
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what they had to go through.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do want to just kind of
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: touch on that they did. They made like, they made it.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: They got their goal, they got their dream, which is awesome, right,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: of course, it'd have been amazing for them to have
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: lived it a little bit longer than the five years
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: that I did. But I also, in this like weird
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: little voice in the back of my head, I don't
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: think Charles with like all the aspects, but I feel
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: like there's some aspects in here that he would appreciate that,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: like his story was maybe continuing to be shared in
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: That he became a bit of an urban legend you made. Yeah, Like,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I do think he would appreciate that. But in the
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: same breath, it shouldn't have been you know what I mean,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: he would definitely get a kick out of it. Like,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: if he's out there right now, if he's haunting what's
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: remaining of corpse, would he's loving his afterlife? I garrin
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: fucking to you. He is. However, it shouldn't come to
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the fact that people are judging them for that. What
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: if he wasn't of that personality trade, what if he
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: just wanted to be left.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Alone, which he did as well?
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: He did as well. He was very provocative, He was
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: very open. Yes, for sure, he liked challenging ideas and
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: putting it in your face. Great, what if that wasn't
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: his personality, they still would have judged him just the same,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: and that is a that's heartbreaking.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't think it was Joey's personality necessarily.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know these men, but just from
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: hearing their story, you know, I think Joey was a
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: lot different and he probably wouldn't wouldn't appreciate a lot
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: of this stuff that had circulated afterwards.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. But I do think Joey his
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: personality was being there for his partner, supporting his partner,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: and hey, if they are both in an afterlife right
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: now and Charles is getting a kick out of this
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: urban legend type mythology thinks surrounding him. I think Joey
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: is happy that Charles is happy.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I know that. It just seemed like
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: they just created the like beautiful little oasis right that
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: they they dreamed of and they actually did it. So
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like they just deserve so much props for that,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: and writes two evil souls just like, oh, like, oh,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: just listening to their the tidbit of their story, you
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: didn't touch on it. You didn't have them in the
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: story much, which I liked, but just like fuck them,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: like just evil little bitches.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, fuck them for sure.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah for them, just for them ruining that I don't know.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Oh so yeah, who's the real evil here? Honestly?
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Well yeah it, yeah exactly. People are thinking that Charles
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: and Joey are evil and like, look at what these
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: two men did. Holy shit.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you can call them men. Yeah,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: pieces of shit. Look what these two pieces of shit did.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: So anyways, that was an interesting one. I'm glad I
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: got to tell Charles and Joey's story. There's a lot
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: of things that bother me about it, but there's a
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: lot of things I'm at peace with too, because you
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: kind of touched on the fact that I think that
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: they would be okay with some of the urban legends.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: But it shouldn't come to that. So I can go
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: off for hours. I'm going to leave it at that.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: It was an interesting story. Hopefully you guys appreciated it too.
• 57:18
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• 57:20
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• 57:22
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• 57:26
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• 57:28
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• 57:31
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• 57:36
  Speaker 1: leave that, leave it at that.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: You did a good job.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you, and until next time, stay wicked.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Oh oh not