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Inside Lucy & Nikki’s Live Show Drama: The Tammy Roast · Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week.
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Speaker 2: I'm Kate Torber. I'm Amy Torber. And I'm Sophie Torber.
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Speaker 1: And on today's show, we're giving the people what they've
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Speaker 1: been asking for, all the tea from the Lucy and
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Speaker 1: Nikki live show.
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Speaker 2: It is blowing up on social media.
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Speaker 1: The podcasters have been criticized over their explosive.
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Speaker 2: Interview with Tammy Hembrough.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know how we managed this one, but
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Speaker 1: we absolutely lucked out because it's We were there. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: funnily enough, we were the other surprise guest of the night.
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Speaker 1: We came out early in the piece to roast Lucy
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Speaker 1: and Nikki.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've done this in their other shows before.
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Speaker 1: They've done a countdown of all of their sort of
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Speaker 1: worst moments, I suppose, that they've been roasted for over
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Speaker 1: the years. And I know at the Melbourne show, they
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Speaker 1: had Amber from Influencer Updates come out and roast them.
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Speaker 2: For Adelaide, they thought it was fitting that we came out.
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Speaker 2: I loved the idea. It was hilarious. And it was
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Speaker 2: so lovely of the girls to invite us to the show.
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Speaker 1: What's really funny is we agreed to do this months ago,
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Speaker 1: but we only found out last week that Tammy was
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Speaker 1: also going to be appearing. And to be honest, we
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Speaker 1: were like, geez, this is going to be pretty awkward
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Speaker 1: backstage because we've spoken a lot about Tammy. And also
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Speaker 1: just recently, Tammy's boyfriend, Grayson, blocked us on Instagram. Well,
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Speaker 1: we did hear whispers that they were going to try
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Speaker 1: and keep us separate backstage. But I mean, which made
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Speaker 1: me feel worse because I was like, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if she necessarily has a problem.
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Speaker 2: With us, but maybe it's confirmed.
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Speaker 1: To be honest, I did get a weird vibe from them,
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Speaker 1: but it was awkward for them too. Like it was
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Speaker 1: awkward for everybody involved. I have heard that Tammy's really shy.
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Speaker 1: And sometimes I think when you are shy, it can
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Speaker 1: be misconstrued as being a bit standoffish. I totally understand
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Speaker 1: why she didn't come up and say hello. I wanted to,
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Speaker 1: but I was hoping maybe at some point in the
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Speaker 1: night we were introduced rather than to just do the
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Speaker 1: blind walking up.
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Speaker 2: So, I mean, yeah, I totally get it on her end.
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Speaker 1: It was fascinating to see her in the wild and
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Speaker 1: see her interactions with Grayson.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they were very loved up backstage. Yeah, they were.
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Speaker 1: And it looked like he was having a great time
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Speaker 1: being there. Like you could tell he was absolutely wrapped
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Speaker 1: to be backstage. He looked in awe of Tammy as well.
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Speaker 1: He was actually side stage when she was being interviewed filming. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: He literally looked like the mum from Mean Girls that
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Speaker 1: was sort of like, yeah, you're doing great, sweetie.
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Speaker 2: But I also get the vibe that.
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Speaker 1: He was hanging out backstage in the hope that he
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Speaker 1: would be asked to come on stage.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And spoiler alert, he ended up on stage. He pashed
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Speaker 1: her in front of everyone. They spoke about their relationship.
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Speaker 2: I actually couldn't believe what I was seeing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It was pretty wild.
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Speaker 1: And obviously we're going to delve into that deeper later
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Speaker 1: in the show. But to give you guys some more
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Speaker 1: backstage tea, another person that we were concerned about running
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Speaker 1: into was Nikki's husband, Ollie Frost. And that's because we've
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Speaker 1: spoken a lot about his business dealings in the past,
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Speaker 1: but he was really lovely.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They were all lovely and very mature about the situation.
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Speaker 1: I think that they understand that we're journalists and we
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Speaker 1: are simply covering pop culture news. In terms of the
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Speaker 1: roast that we did ahead of time, we had to
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Speaker 1: provide the team with some questions.
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Speaker 2: To be approved.
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Speaker 1: They did tell us on a Zoom call that there
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Speaker 1: were certain areas that we weren't allowed to touch on,
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Speaker 1: which I totally understand, but the girls were happy to
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Speaker 1: have some fun with that. I mean, we asked about
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Speaker 1: Lily Brown, about Lucy's recent bid to give up alcohol.
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Speaker 2: You breath tested her live on stage, Amy. Yeah, that
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Speaker 2: was a bit of fun.
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Speaker 1: We also asked them about what the worst tattoos they've
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Speaker 1: ever seen at their Jagger and Stone parties have been
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Speaker 1: because they're quite infamous for having a tattoo artist there.
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Speaker 2: We also had a question about Tammy.
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Speaker 1: This is despite the fact that people didn't know she
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Speaker 1: was a special guest yet because listeners will remember that
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Speaker 1: Nikki put up a TikTok recently saying that she wants
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Speaker 1: to have Tammy on the podcast so she can answer
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Speaker 1: who she would fuck, marry.
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Speaker 2: Kill and out of all of her exes.
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Speaker 1: So we put the question onto Lucy and Nikki as
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Speaker 1: to who they would pick.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone was like, fuck Reese, fuck Reese.
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Speaker 1: The irony is not lost on me that we were
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Speaker 1: brought on the show to roast Lucy and Nikki, but
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Speaker 1: it's actually their roast of Tammy Hembrough that has gone
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Speaker 1: completely viral and has now become the biggest pop culture
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Speaker 1: story that we have dedicated a whole episode.
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Speaker 2: About and spoken to it. Yeah, but it wasn't meant
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Speaker 2: to be a roast.
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Speaker 1: It was meant to be a game of say it
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Speaker 1: or shot it that just went absolutely rogue. The thing is,
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Speaker 1: anyone who knows Tammy Hembrough, and I feel like most
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Speaker 1: people who listen to the podcast and the recent deep
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Speaker 1: dive that you did, Kate, feel like.
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Speaker 2: They know her quite well.
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Speaker 1: She is not a public speaker. Even though she puts
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Speaker 1: her life out online, she's very shy. And she doesn't
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Speaker 1: usually appear on a lot of podcasts or live shows.
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Speaker 1: So I think it was quite big for her to
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Speaker 1: be part of the show. I also want to point out,
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Speaker 1: I forgot to say this earlier, but we weren't paid
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Speaker 1: to be on the show. We gave up our time
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Speaker 1: for free. However- I get the vibe maybe Tammy was paid.
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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know what the arrangement was. We weren't
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Speaker 2: privy to that.
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Speaker 1: But she was flown out from the Gold Coast, put
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Speaker 1: up in a hotel, you know, five-star treatment, hair and makeup, done. Now,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are wondering if Tammy was aware
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Speaker 1: of the questions she was going to be asked on stage.
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Speaker 1: Lucy and Nikki have come out and said she approved
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Speaker 1: the questions. Do you guys think that this was actually
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Speaker 1: the case? Well, I mean, during the interview, they brought
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Speaker 1: up questions that they said, oh, we know you didn't
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Speaker 1: approve this one, but we're going to ask it anyway.
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Speaker 1: I think that's just what happens on stage though. I mean,
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Speaker 1: when we were doing our roast, we had a set
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Speaker 1: of approved questions, as I said, but sometimes you go
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Speaker 1: off topic and, you know, one conversation leads to another.
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Speaker 2: So I understand how it happens. I understand that.
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Speaker 1: But to be completely honest, I was pretty shocked by
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Speaker 1: the interview. It ran for about 20 minutes. It was
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Speaker 1: at the end of the show.
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Speaker 2: So at this point, Lucy in particular was rather intoxicated.
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Speaker 2: Like it was quite apparent. The whole crowd was rowdy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, for context, this show is called the Party
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Speaker 1: Girl Tour and most of the people in attendance were
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Speaker 1: utilising the bar at the venue. Apparently the audience at
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Speaker 1: these shows are renowned for running up the biggest bar
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Speaker 1: tab at any of these venues. And it was pretty
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Speaker 1: funny because we were a little bit nervous to go
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Speaker 1: out on stage. This is our first live event.
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Speaker 3: And.
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Speaker 2: Our best friend text us and said, oh, don't be nervous.
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Speaker 2: Everyone's drunk in the crowd.
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Speaker 1: Well, I could tell because I was glad that we
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Speaker 1: got the warning because when we went out on stage
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Speaker 1: and putting into perspective, I think that our segment was
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Speaker 1: on in the first 10 minutes and.
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Speaker 2: The crowd was already rowdy. Like people were talking. You
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Speaker 2: could hear. Like you couldn't hear yourself think because everyone
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Speaker 2: was talking.
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Speaker 1: And I think about 20 minutes into the show, Lucy
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Speaker 1: and Nicky had to tell everyone to quiet down and
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Speaker 1: shut up. And that's not that surprising because that is
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Speaker 1: Lucy and Nikki's brand. They're known as Party Girls. So
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Speaker 1: I wasn't really surprised by the vibe at the venue. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, if people have paid, what,
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Speaker 1: like 110 bucks for a ticket, you might actually want
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Speaker 1: to sit and listen to what's happening on stage. I
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Speaker 1: have to admit, I was pretty shocked by the whole
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Speaker 1: thing because I know people, you know, get up and
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Speaker 1: about for the live show, but I was like, you're
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Speaker 1: not even listening to any of it.
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Speaker 2: Like, how are you enjoying it?
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Speaker 1: Like a lot of people were just sitting, chatting to
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Speaker 1: their friends really loudly. I mean, in some of the
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Speaker 1: clips we posted from the show, people were commenting saying,
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Speaker 1: oh my God, how rude is everyone talking while there's
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Speaker 1: a guest on stage?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: At one stage I turned to my friend and I
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Speaker 1: was like, This feels a lot like a Jerry Springer show.
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Speaker 1: I think we need to get into what actually happened
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Speaker 1: on stage with Tammy Hembrough. As we said, she was
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Speaker 1: their big surprise guest. So no one knew she was
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Speaker 1: going to be there. And they do this whole thing
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Speaker 1: where they bring out the Sally of the show. And
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Speaker 1: so they played the music and she came out. And
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Speaker 1: I think people were absolutely shocked. I remember being shocked
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Speaker 1: when I first heard it. I'm like, that is such
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Speaker 1: a good get for Adelaide. Yeah, particularly because this is
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Speaker 1: a tour of the forgotten cities. So Again, hats off
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Speaker 1: to the girls for pulling out a big guest like this. Now,
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Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, it was quite clear at this
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Speaker 1: point of the show that Lucy was quite intoxicated.
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Speaker 2: She didn't have much of a filter. Yeah, we should
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Speaker 2: have brought the breathalyzer out then.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, she was drinking on stage. They all were.
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Speaker 1: It's funny because in our segment, the joke was that
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Speaker 1: we were breathalysing Lucy to make sure things didn't get
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Speaker 1: out of control, like at their COVID event.
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Speaker 2: But I actually got flashbacks to that show while I
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Speaker 2: was watching the Adelaide show. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So basically they explained to the crowd, look, we're going
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Speaker 1: to do this say it or shot it thing. And
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Speaker 1: Tammy was visibly nervous. Like, as you guys have said,
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Speaker 1: I've got a PhD in Tammy Hembrough. I was the
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Speaker 1: one that put the whole deep dive together. And I
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Speaker 1: actually pinpointed, I thought her voice sounded different. I'm guessing
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Speaker 1: that was because she was so nervous. actually felt really
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Speaker 1: sorry for her because not only did she look visibly
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Speaker 1: nervous and uncomfortable, but she said, look, guys, I'm really nervous.
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Speaker 1: And she wasn't putting it on. They even had to
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Speaker 1: run a bottle of water out to her on stage. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you could tell she was actually getting like a dry,
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Speaker 1: nervous throat. Now, they also bought out a bottle of
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Speaker 1: what they claimed was tequila. And they said, you know,
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Speaker 1: take a shot if you don't want to answer questions.
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Speaker 1: And the first question they threw to her was, are
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Speaker 1: you pregnant? And it was at this point I knew
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Speaker 1: that there was no holding back. Let's take a listen
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Speaker 1: to her answer.
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Speaker 2: Truth, are you pregnant? Definitely not pregnant.
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Speaker 4: I'm pregnant right now. Pregnant, pregnant, pregnant, pregnant, pregnant, pregnant. Oh,
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Speaker 4: she's not pregnant. Don't be offended by this, but.
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Speaker 2: I always say to Nikki, Tammy's had more baby daddies
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Speaker 2: than I have roots in the last few years. My
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Speaker 2: jaw was on the floor.
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Speaker 1: And I know that these girls have been friends for
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Speaker 1: the past 10 years. And obviously, this is clearly something
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Speaker 1: that you can only say to a close friend. But
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Speaker 1: Tammy didn't look happy. But you could tell that she
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Speaker 1: was kind of pissed off. I noticed that Tammy looked
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Speaker 1: at Nikki in this sort of desperation. And I could
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Speaker 1: tell she was sort of pleading with her to rein
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Speaker 1: Lucy in a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Someone made a really good point online.
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Speaker 1: They said that they felt uncomfortable that Tammy was asked
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Speaker 1: to confirm that she wasn't pregnant by taking a shot
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Speaker 1: of alcohol because they said, well, if she is potentially
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Speaker 1: in the early stages of pregnancy and she doesn't want
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Speaker 1: people to know about it, she might have felt really
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Speaker 1: pressured in that moment to just try and get everyone
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Speaker 1: off the scent by taking a shot. Yeah, because as
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Speaker 1: we mentioned, Lucy and Nikki said the questions were approved,
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Speaker 1: but I'm guessing not the manner in which they were asked. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I get that it was a sad or shot at game,
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Speaker 1: but when she has answered the question or taken the
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Speaker 1: shot because she doesn't want to ask, I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's helpful to then follow up with a comment about
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Speaker 1: how she has more baby daddies than you've had roots.
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it was at that moment I reckon Tammy
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Speaker 1: was like, why the fuck did I agree to be
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Speaker 1: on this podcast live show? I was actually thinking, are
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Speaker 1: they legitimately friends or is this just a stitch up?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The thought crossed my mind too, especially when they then
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Speaker 1: told a story about how Tammy paid Lucy's brother $ 300
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Speaker 1: to walk her vape across the street to a restaurant
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Speaker 1: that they were dining at. I reckon I've heard that
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Speaker 1: story before. That rang a bell. It does paint a
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Speaker 1: particular picture of her and her lifestyle. Yeah, she wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have been happy with that because it doesn't really fit
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Speaker 1: into her lifestyle of Tammy feared and living a healthy lifestyle. No,
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Speaker 1: I mean, she quickly prefaced saying, oh, this is from
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Speaker 1: years and years ago, like back in the day. I
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Speaker 1: did have someone next to me elbow me and go,
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Speaker 1: was this yesterday? I think the question that took the
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Speaker 1: wind out of me the most was when they shouted
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Speaker 1: at her and said, are you poor? And this was
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Speaker 1: off the back of them asking why she's selling her
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Speaker 1: Gold Coast mansion. And she went into the fact that
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Speaker 1: Apparently she doesn't have much of a backyard and that
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Speaker 1: her kids have always wanted to grow up with chickens.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've discussed this on the show before.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we should throw to the comment to
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Speaker 2: give it context. People want to know, are.
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Speaker 3: You selling your house? I am.
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Speaker 1: Are you?
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Speaker 3: Why?
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Speaker 2: I have wanted to sell it for like a long time.
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Speaker 2: And I just want some land. I want some chickens.
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Speaker 2: Sass wants a bird.
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Speaker 1: I want to like build a playground in the backyard.
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Speaker 2: I don't have like a yard. And also, are you poor?
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Speaker 1: No. She's not poor. What's wild is it then segued
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Speaker 1: into them asking her about closing her activewear brand, Sasky.
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Speaker 1: And she went on to say that she felt really
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Speaker 1: good about it and it's the best thing that she's
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Speaker 1: done for her career. It was pretty interesting because Tammy
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Speaker 1: actually admitted that she feels like she should have ended
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Speaker 1: the business a few years earlier because it was draining her.
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Speaker 1: And it seems like when her manager went on maternity leave,
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Speaker 1: that was the point where she was like, I can't
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Speaker 1: do it anymore because she was having to manage everyone.
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Speaker 2: And she said she just couldn't. She's not someone that
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Speaker 2: can manage people.
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Speaker 1: The girls also asked Tammy a question that they themselves
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Speaker 1: said has been on everyone's lips since it happened. And
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Speaker 1: that was around what happened at Kylie Jenner's birthday party
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Speaker 1: back in the day. Now, it was at this point
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Speaker 1: that Tammy was like, no, no, no, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: shot it. Like, I actually can't say anything about this.
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Speaker 1: And the look in her eyes was like, you cannot
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Speaker 1: ask me about this. But they actually kept pushing and
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Speaker 1: pushing her. Let's take a listen to more of what happened.
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Speaker 1: I just feel like to me, LA is a bit
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Speaker 1: of a dark place and there's some dark people.
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Speaker 2: So hence why I haven't been back there for a
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Speaker 2: half minute. So after saying that, she then took a
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Speaker 2: shot because obviously she didn't want to speak more about it.
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Speaker 1: I felt quite sick listening to that because from the inference,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like something quite bad happened to her. I
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Speaker 1: think the reason that Lucy and Nikki felt comfortable to
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Speaker 1: ask this question is because there was the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: for Tammy to say no and take a shot? I
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Speaker 1: actually think they were genuinely surprised by her answer because
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Speaker 1: they were like, oh, we thought it was a bit
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Speaker 1: off when we heard the news because Tammy can party
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Speaker 1: and is like a brick wall and, you know, nothing
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Speaker 1: stops her.
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Speaker 2: It makes me wonder.
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Speaker 1: Well, if you guys have been friends for 10 years,
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you have had that conversation before though?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like maybe over the years they've had
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Speaker 1: a few falling outs. Like I don't necessarily think they've
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Speaker 1: been friends or best buddies the whole time. Yeah. But
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Speaker 1: are they actually genuine friends that go out for dinners
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Speaker 1: and stuff or are they just party friends?
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Speaker 2: Well, that was the other thing. On stage, they brought
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Speaker 2: up the.
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Speaker 1: Fact that they weren't invited to her and Matt Zukowski's wedding.
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Speaker 2: And you could tell there was a bit of awkward
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Speaker 2: tension there.
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Speaker 1: They also asked her how much her wedding to Matt
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Speaker 1: Zukowski cost. And She admitted that she couldn't remember the
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Speaker 1: full amount, but that it was a good day. She
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Speaker 1: then added that she apparently paid for the whole thing,
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Speaker 1: but we have since heard otherwise. There was a bit
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Speaker 1: of dragging of Matt Sikowsky during the show. Lucy ended
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Speaker 1: up asking Tammy, who would you fuck, marry and kill
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Speaker 1: out of your exes?
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Speaker 2: And Tammy said this.
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Speaker 1: I am.
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Speaker 2: Not even kidding. I would kill all of them so quickly.
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Speaker 3: But.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I have to, like, be nice, but I
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Speaker 4: actually feel all of them.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough.
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Speaker 3: Fair enough.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it exists for a reason. We all know
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Speaker 2: it was Rhys Hawkins that she'd fuck.
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Speaker 1: Particularly because she has revealed that at the start of
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Speaker 1: the year, things were almost back on between her and
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Speaker 1: Rhys and they went on a date. I thought it
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Speaker 1: was interesting how she refused to refer to Matt Sikowsky
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Speaker 1: by name. It was almost a Harry Potter sort of reference,
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Speaker 1: he who must not be named. I mean, it sounds
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Speaker 1: awful that she said she'd kill all of them, but...
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Speaker 1: What else could she really say when her new boyfriend
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Speaker 1: is standing at the corner of the stage? Oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to fuck race and then I'm going to
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Speaker 1: marry Matt. A girl in the crowd was actually given
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to ask Tammy a question. And she asked, like,
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Speaker 1: what is it like dating someone younger after dating someone
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Speaker 1: closer to your age?
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Speaker 2: And Tammy made this swipe that Grayson is just so.
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Speaker 1: Much more mature than anyone that she's dated in her
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Speaker 1: entire life. Now, from someone watching the show and also
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Speaker 1: being backstage with them, Obviously, I didn't interact with him,
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Speaker 1: but that's not the vibe I got from him at all. Well,
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Speaker 1: when he was brought out on stage, he was sort
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Speaker 1: of a man of very few words. He was asked,
16:12
Speaker 1: what's it like dating Tammy Hanbrough, essentially, and he's like, oh, yeah,
16:15
Speaker 1: it's lots of fun.
16:16
Speaker 2: Well, I actually want to throw to what he said.
16:28
Speaker 1: To me, it sounded like he was saying, He really
16:31
Speaker 1: enjoys the lifestyle that Tammy leads. And I mean, obviously
16:35
Speaker 1: it would be an exciting one for any 23-year-old to
16:38
Speaker 1: be jetting off here and there, to go on brand trips,
16:41
Speaker 1: to be growing your profile. I wonder how Tammy felt
16:44
Speaker 1: when Grayson came out and Lucy really cozied up to
16:47
Speaker 1: him because I think she was doing it as a
16:50
Speaker 1: little bit of a throwback to that Cailin Ponga interview
16:54
Speaker 1: that they played at the start of the show that
16:56
Speaker 1: happened in her 2020 like online live show. And that
17:00
Speaker 1: was after she'd previously dropped that Tammy had propositioned her
17:03
Speaker 1: to have a threesome. I was thinking, is she inferring
17:05
Speaker 1: it was with Grayson? Yeah, because she's like, oh my God,
17:08
Speaker 1: how hot is he though? And yeah, the threesome comment
17:11
Speaker 1: really threw me because I was like, was that with Grayson?
17:14
Speaker 2: Well, Tammy also said.
17:15
Speaker 1: That Grayson is her best friend and the girls were
17:17
Speaker 1: sort of like, is he the one? And she said
17:20
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to appear silly because life has slapped
17:23
Speaker 1: her in the face that many times and she doesn't
17:25
Speaker 1: want to confirm he's the one. but that, you know,
17:27
Speaker 1: they get on so well. But then she admitted that
17:30
Speaker 1: she's the toxic one in the relationship, essentially, because she
17:33
Speaker 1: likes him that much.
17:34
Speaker 2: Oh, I got the vibe she was saying that.
17:36
Speaker 1: He was so healthily attached to her and that when
17:39
Speaker 1: she tried to get toxic in relationships, he didn't say
17:42
Speaker 1: anything bad and was really nice. I just feel like
17:44
Speaker 1: it was another dig at Matzikowski. I think the lowest
17:48
Speaker 1: point of the interview and where it went the most
17:51
Speaker 1: rogue was when Lucy made reference to a sex act
17:55
Speaker 1: in the car between Grace and Tammy. I don't want
17:58
Speaker 1: to go too much into it, but you could tell
18:01
Speaker 1: Tammy really didn't want that information out there. Yeah, I
18:04
Speaker 1: was pretty shocked when Lucy dropped it because it really
18:06
Speaker 1: wasn't in context to anything that they had been speaking about.
18:09
Speaker 2: And clearly... It's not something that had been approved to
18:12
Speaker 2: speak about.
18:12
Speaker 1: Like Grayson looked ultra uncomfortable and all I kept thinking was,
18:16
Speaker 1: it's only 23?
18:17
Speaker 2: Like it's this young guy there.
18:19
Speaker 1: And of course, like Tammy's also got kids and family
18:23
Speaker 1: that will hear this. It's almost like Lucy forgot that
18:25
Speaker 1: she was on stage in front of thousands of people.
18:28
Speaker 1: Like it felt like she thought that she was at
18:30
Speaker 1: a pub having a bit of banter with Tammy and Grayson.
18:33
Speaker 1: and forgot that people were filming this. This has come
18:36
Speaker 1: at a really bad time for Lucy and Nikki, because
18:39
Speaker 1: a lot of people are comparing it to the Alex Earl,
18:43
Speaker 1: Alex Cooper situation. Now, for those not across it, Alex
18:46
Speaker 1: Earl's reality show dropped over the weekend, and everyone has
18:50
Speaker 1: been waiting to.
18:51
Speaker 2: See what she says about Alex Cooper.
18:54
Speaker 1: And essentially, she came out and said that she felt
18:56
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable when she was interviewed on Call Her Daddy.
19:00
Speaker 1: She said that She was given alcohol and then put
19:03
Speaker 1: in this position where she was asked inappropriate questions about
19:06
Speaker 1: her sex life.
19:07
Speaker 2: And there was this imbalance of power.
19:10
Speaker 1: And a lot of people are saying, well, is that
19:11
Speaker 1: what we saw play out on stage with Lucy, Nikki
19:13
Speaker 1: and Tammy?
19:14
Speaker 2: I would be interested to.
19:15
Speaker 1: Know if they would have felt comfortable asking Tammy those
19:18
Speaker 1: sorts of questions in a recorded podcast as opposed to
19:22
Speaker 1: a live show, because a lot of people are saying,
19:25
Speaker 1: Did they throw her the questions because they knew she
19:28
Speaker 1: couldn't really leave the stage?
19:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, because obviously a podcast can be edited.
19:32
Speaker 1: And also the added element of having a crowd there
19:34
Speaker 1: that are all your fans backing you up and egging
19:37
Speaker 1: it on. Because, I mean, as we touched on, everyone
19:40
Speaker 1: was in high spirits there. Everyone was drinking, having a
19:44
Speaker 1: good time. And I think from Lucy and Nikki's perspective,
19:47
Speaker 1: they're going, oh, well, this is a live show, you know,
19:49
Speaker 1: this stuff. is meant to stay in house and people
19:52
Speaker 1: were just having fun. But I actually think after the interview,
19:56
Speaker 1: quite a number of the audience were uncomfortable with what happened.
20:00
Speaker 2: I think she probably highly regrets what she said.
20:02
Speaker 1: Now, this story has really blown up online over the
20:05
Speaker 1: last couple of days. And the elephant in the room
20:08
Speaker 1: is it's blown up off the back of us sharing
20:10
Speaker 1: snippets of this interview to Instagram and TikTok. I mean,
20:14
Speaker 1: I was actually expecting to see this clip everywhere before
20:17
Speaker 1: we posted it. My immediate reaction was to get my
20:19
Speaker 1: phone out and film. And I filmed the whole segment
20:22
Speaker 1: and clipped it up. You know, I've actually got a
20:24
Speaker 1: lot of bits that I haven't yet shared to Outspoken's
20:26
Speaker 1: social media.
20:27
Speaker 2: What a tease. However, we were asked to take them down.
20:31
Speaker 2: That's the thing, Kate.
20:32
Speaker 1: I don't even think that you have to be a
20:33
Speaker 1: pop culture journalist to want to film parts of that interview.
20:37
Speaker 1: I saw numerous people on TikTok sharing Tammy on stage.
20:42
Speaker 1: I think that that's just something that a lot of
20:44
Speaker 1: us do now because there's viral moments that can be
20:47
Speaker 1: created online.
20:48
Speaker 2: Well, with TikTok now, everyone's a citizen journalist.
20:51
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and particularly if Tammy is publicly commenting on
20:55
Speaker 1: topics she's never discussed before. I mean, the thing that
20:58
Speaker 1: just stands out to me is that we were backstage
21:00
Speaker 1: with all of these people and it wasn't a surprise
21:03
Speaker 1: that we were there. So I think if you know that, well,
21:07
Speaker 1: I think if you've been- We were invited there. Yeah,
21:08
Speaker 1: I think if you've invited- podcasters who literally have a
21:12
Speaker 1: pop culture show about influencers, you would assume that they
21:16
Speaker 1: would be covering what the biggest influencer in Australia had
21:19
Speaker 1: to say, particularly when it was that controversial. Yeah, I mean,
21:22
Speaker 1: it was pretty clear this appearance was going to end
21:24
Speaker 1: up on TikTok. regardless of if we shared it or
21:26
Speaker 1: if one of the punters did. And it was always
21:28
Speaker 1: going to go viral. In saying all of that, we
21:31
Speaker 1: ended up turning the comments off on the videos that
21:33
Speaker 1: we shared because they were getting out of hand. But
21:36
Speaker 1: that hasn't stopped other TikTokers sharing their own thoughts online.
21:39
Speaker 2: About what happened.
21:41
Speaker 1: So a TikToker called Chelsea Carter, she's relatively unknown. She's
21:44
Speaker 1: got 387 followers. She posted her thoughts about the interview.
21:50
Speaker 1: It has gone pretty viral. It's had over 100,000 views.
21:54
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to her thoughts.
21:56
Speaker 3: Is everyone seeing the thing posted by Outspoken with Tammy?
22:01
Speaker 3: Are they fucking like, are they roasting her on stage? Like,
22:06
Speaker 3: as in like, are they like actually her friends? Did
22:09
Speaker 3: she know that this was happening? Do they realize that
22:13
Speaker 3: she has kids? Why would they be asking her these questions? Like,
22:17
Speaker 3: it puts her in such a compromised position. What the fuck?
22:22
Speaker 3: How embarrassing that there's two women up there asking these
22:25
Speaker 3: questions to another woman. What?
22:30
Speaker 1: What's so awkward is the fact that a lot of
22:32
Speaker 1: people are confused and they think that Lucy and Nikki's
22:34
Speaker 1: podcast is called Outspoken because people are like, did you
22:37
Speaker 1: see they turned the comments off and they're in damage control?
22:40
Speaker 1: It's like, no, we just turned the cameras off because
22:41
Speaker 1: we were told to. Well, Channel 9 are confused as
22:43
Speaker 1: well because they've picked up on a couple of the
22:45
Speaker 1: things that Tammy said in the live show and they've
22:48
Speaker 1: reported that it was Outspoken's live show.
22:51
Speaker 2: And I'm like, This wasn't us.
22:53
Speaker 1: Now, Lucy Jackson has replied to Chelsea in the comments.
22:55
Speaker 1: She wrote, hey, Diva, Tammy is a really good friend
22:58
Speaker 1: of ours. And these questions were approved by her. Chelsea
23:01
Speaker 1: responded saying, hey, sis, our values and beliefs clearly differ
23:04
Speaker 1: for friendships and what's acceptable behaviors.
23:07
Speaker 2: With a broken heart emoji.
23:09
Speaker 1: One listener defended the girls in the comments section, writing,
23:12
Speaker 1: you aren't a punter, you wouldn't get it, which got
23:14
Speaker 1: 42 likes. It will be interesting to see if Lucy
23:16
Speaker 1: and Nikki address this publicly. They do have another show
23:20
Speaker 1: coming up. I think it's in Auckland. Well, on Sunday night,
23:22
Speaker 1: Lucy shared a TikTok saying that she had the Sunday
23:24
Speaker 1: scaries and that she partied so hard in Adelaide that
23:27
Speaker 1: she actually missed her flight. So I don't think she
23:30
Speaker 1: was having the best time, unfortunately. Tammy is yet to
23:33
Speaker 1: address the backlash. So far, she has posted a carousel
23:36
Speaker 1: of images, From her time in Adelaide, she wrote, surprise
23:39
Speaker 1: guests for the girls at their show.
23:41
Speaker 2: So much fun. Best crowd.
23:42
Speaker 1: I love you. Now, Nikki wrote under the post, our girl.
23:45
Speaker 1: And Lucy added, we love.
23:47
Speaker 3: You, diva.
23:47
Speaker 2: So there doesn't seem to be any bad blood on
23:50
Speaker 2: Tammy's end.
23:51
Speaker 1: I wonder, though, if when she posted that she'd seen
23:53
Speaker 1: the videos from the night, because I got the vibe
23:56
Speaker 1: that maybe some of the girls had forgotten what actually
23:59
Speaker 1: transpired because they were having such a big night. I
24:01
Speaker 1: think a part of the reason why people are so
24:04
Speaker 1: shocked by this interview is is the fact that Lucy
24:07
Speaker 1: and Nikki are friends with Tammy. They spoke a lot
24:09
Speaker 1: about how they've known each other for 10 years.
24:12
Speaker 2: And there was this rhetoric of, well, that's not how
24:15
Speaker 2: you treat a friend.
24:16
Speaker 1: That being said, I think the reason they felt like
24:19
Speaker 1: they could go there with the questions is because they
24:22
Speaker 1: are friends and they had the backstories to it. Yeah,
24:26
Speaker 1: it definitely felt like there'd been some kind of falling
24:28
Speaker 1: out over the years. There was a mention that they
24:30
Speaker 1: weren't invited to the wedding. They kind of sounded a
24:32
Speaker 1: little bit salty on it.
24:34
Speaker 2: What I want to know is, Are they still friends?
24:36
Speaker 1: There was a comment Tammy made during the interview that
24:38
Speaker 1: I thought was quite telling. She said, oh, you know, Lucy,
24:42
Speaker 1: you've known me for 10 years and you've always loved
24:44
Speaker 1: to torture me.
24:45
Speaker 2: Look, let's be real.
24:47
Speaker 1: I don't think Lucy would have said half those things
24:49
Speaker 1: if she had been sober at the time. I think
24:52
Speaker 1: she lost all inhibitions because she was so drunk. A
24:55
Speaker 1: pretty dangerous thing to do when you're at a live
24:58
Speaker 1: event and you've got thousands of people there with their
25:01
Speaker 1: phones out. Because in this social media age, concerts and
25:05
Speaker 1: podcast live shows, they're no longer just a performance for
25:09
Speaker 1: the audience. People film them and put them online for
25:13
Speaker 1: everyone to see. So you have to be careful about
25:16
Speaker 1: what you say and you have to take accountability for
25:19
Speaker 1: what happened on stage if there is negative feedback. I
25:22
Speaker 1: just feel like a lot of this negative feedback would
25:25
Speaker 1: go away if Tammy came out and said, look, I've
25:27
Speaker 1: seen these clips going around.
25:29
Speaker 2: I'm really good friends.
25:30
Speaker 1: With Lucy and Nikki and this was just all banter
25:33
Speaker 1: and know because her reaction to me was written very
25:36
Speaker 1: much across her face. She didn't look comfortable and even
25:39
Speaker 1: if she came out and defended her friends and said
25:42
Speaker 1: I was completely cool with the line of questioning, I
25:46
Speaker 1: think people would still read into it and say well
25:49
Speaker 1: you might have been okay with it but that wasn't
25:52
Speaker 1: really a great thing that your friends did. Well that's
25:54
Speaker 1: all we've got time for today but we are going
25:56
Speaker 1: to be going into a bit more behind the scenes
25:58
Speaker 1: gossip about the Lucy and Nikki show. And I think
26:00
Speaker 1: there's going to be more that's popping up over the
26:02
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26:15
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