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Jilted Girlfriend, Murderer Looking for Love Behind Bars · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Well, you'll never believe it.
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  Speaker 1: She stalks her boyfriend, an up and coming lawyer, until
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  Speaker 1: she practically drives him crazy. Then she goes over the
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  Speaker 1: edge in a jealous rage when he has a date
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  Speaker 1: with Miss Ohio. So what does she do? Shoot him dead?
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  Speaker 1: Of course, I'm talking about Shana Hubers, the Kentucky woman
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  Speaker 1: who shot her boyfriend in the face when he refused
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  Speaker 1: to cancel a date with a pageant queen. Well, she's
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  Speaker 1: back in the headlines. Just wait till you hear this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. That's right. Shana Heubers sentenced to life
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  Speaker 1: behind after a jury convicted her of murdering her on
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  Speaker 1: and off again boyfriend, the up and coming lawyer. I
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  Speaker 1: told you about Ryan Postin. Remember they were officially dating
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  Speaker 1: other people when she shot him dead in a jealous rage.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds so much like Jody Arius. Well anyway, get this,
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  Speaker 1: Shana Hubers is on the hunt for a new man.
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  Speaker 1: That's right after shooting the boyfriend just point blank right
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  Speaker 1: in the face, right in the face, and then commenting,
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  Speaker 1: I finally gave him the nose job he always wanted
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  Speaker 1: with a bullet, woman with a bullet. Now she's on
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  Speaker 1: the prowl for a new man. Men, beware, these are
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  Speaker 1: her words, not mine. Quote. I have grown much since
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  Speaker 1: the twenty one year old girl I was in October
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  Speaker 1: twenty twelve at the time of my arrest, not as
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  Speaker 1: she says, my arrest, not when I murdered my boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: as he tried desperately to get away from me. Quote.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking for someone who won't judge me by my past,
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  Speaker 1: but by the woman I've become. Okay. She apparently posted
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  Speaker 1: this on write a prisoner to connect with pen pals
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  Speaker 1: outside of jail. Okay, man, you love lorn folks. Don't
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  Speaker 1: say I didn't warn you, because let me refresh your
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  Speaker 1: recollection on Miss Shana Heabers and what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Kelly on one ma'am, I haven't I've done I killed
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  Speaker 2: my boyfriend and self refer hey, wear you up, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not well, Not Olaine for when I was seven seconds
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  Speaker 2: a twelve medal?
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  Speaker 3: Lane.
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  Speaker 2: Are you in a house an apartment? There a cool apartment?
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  Speaker 2: It's apartments weekend? Is it meadow? Anything else? Mead of
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  Speaker 2: you or something? No meal?
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  Speaker 1: Lane?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, tell me again. Tell me again what
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  Speaker 2: unit you're in. It's not showing on my computer. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you're a twelve medal Laane younit number said? Okay, hold on,
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  Speaker 2: hold on? What did you kill him with? Got alone
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  Speaker 2: gun in the house? You can tell me where the
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  Speaker 2: gun is? Right now? My gun is in the hell?
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  Speaker 2: Where at? So man, tell me where it's at? Laid
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  Speaker 2: on the bookshelf. We're at laid on the shelf on
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  Speaker 2: the bookself, it's where are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay, you know I get Harley hold back there.
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  Speaker 1: I would just play just that one minute and seven
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  Speaker 1: seconds over and over and over for the jury, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. She's already setting up a defense.
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  Speaker 1: I shot my boyfriend in self defense. Who says that?
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  Speaker 1: Who says that? When you're quote ten feet from the
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  Speaker 1: dead body, Not Ryan Postin, not my boyfriend, not my lover,
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  Speaker 1: not the light of my life. He is now suddenly
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  Speaker 1: quote the dead body. She knows the address, she knows
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  Speaker 1: the location, she knows the zip code. This lady A
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  Speaker 1: is setting up a defense, giving way too much information
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  Speaker 1: for the defense taste, and showing she had already disassociated
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  Speaker 1: from the boyfriend she shot dead, and she is by
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  Speaker 1: far from insane. She's crazy. She's crazy like a Fox. Again,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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  Speaker 1: in series XEM one to eleven. Let me introduce you
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  Speaker 1: an all star panel. First of all, you know her well,
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  Speaker 1: Francy Haikes, former federal prosecute and get this podcast. Best case,
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  Speaker 1: worst case doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, joining us from
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  Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction. Boy, do we need a shrink? Death
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  Speaker 1: Investigator Professor Forensis Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath
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  Speaker 1: My Feet. But first to Emmy Award winning investigative reporter
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  Speaker 1: Christy Massourich, who's a voice? Am I hearing?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 4: You're hearing the voice of Sheena Hubers, who sounds very
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  Speaker 4: distraught after opening fire on her boyfriend Ryan nste Massourich.
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  Speaker 1: I know that you're the Emmy Award winning investigative reporter,
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  Speaker 1: but let me enjoy the moment. The one time I've
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  Speaker 1: ever gotten to correct you. She wasn't upset until she
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  Speaker 1: got through her first script. Then I heard that was
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  Speaker 1: about okay, perfectly halfway through. Then there was a little cry,
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  Speaker 1: a little peep, squeal of being distraught. Guys, how did
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing get started? You're hearing the nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call, but let's back it up. Rewind listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friends at crime online.
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  Speaker 3: Ryan Poston, a twenty eight year old Ohio attorney, meets
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  Speaker 3: Shane O. Hubers on Facebook. The nineteen year old was
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  Speaker 3: friends with Postin's step cousin, Carissa Carlyle. The pair hit
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  Speaker 3: it off and begin dating. Hubers is studying psychology at
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  Speaker 3: the University of Kentucky in Lexington. She graduates cum laude,
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  Speaker 3: pursuing a master's degree in school counseling. They date for
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  Speaker 3: about eighteen months, but the relationship is anything but smooth.
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  Speaker 3: The couple reportedly break up several times.
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  Speaker 1: The whole breakup to make up, Jackie here in the
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  Speaker 1: cdo was pointing out that she learned something or observed
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  Speaker 1: something in that nine one one call. In the first
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  Speaker 1: couple of seconds, she says, a loaded gun. I shine,
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  Speaker 1: with a loaded gun. How does she know it is
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  Speaker 1: totally loaded? Loaded means all the bullets are the cylinders.
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  Speaker 1: I think, how does she know unless she checked it
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  Speaker 1: or loaded it herself. But of course I'm putting the
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  Speaker 1: cart before the horse. Let's take a listen to more
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  Speaker 1: about the relationship.
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  Speaker 3: Unsatisfied in his relationship with Huber's postin tells a cousin
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  Speaker 3: that he plans for a first date with another woman,
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  Speaker 3: Miss Ohio USA Audrey Bolt. The pair connected on Facebook
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  Speaker 3: and had been corresponding for some time. Bolt says she
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  Speaker 3: found posting smart and funny. Based on her Facebook interactions
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  Speaker 3: with him. They begin direct messaging plans to meet at
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  Speaker 3: a Milford, Ohio bar for drinks and maybe to play pool.
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  Speaker 1: So that's where the beauty queen comes into this scenario,
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  Speaker 1: Miss Ohio USA Audrey Bolt, who has advised that she
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  Speaker 1: wants it very clear she was not the dead victim's
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  Speaker 1: a girlfriend. They were meeting up for a first date.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's certainly coincidental, is it not?
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  Speaker 5: To you?
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics. I know you're all about
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  Speaker 1: fingerprints and hair fibers and autopsy reports, but I still
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  Speaker 1: like the good old hunch, the deduction, the using the
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  Speaker 1: gray cells. You want to tell me it's a coinky
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  Speaker 1: dink that he's got his first date with Miss Ohio
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  Speaker 1: and then suddenly she shoots him dead.
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  Speaker 6: Hell hath no fury?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you never get try of saying that to you.
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  Speaker 6: Joseph, I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you're asking for trouble man.
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  Speaker 1: You're darn rise will make me mad, give me an answer.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Hey, look, uh, it stands to reason that if
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  Speaker 6: you're involved with somebody else and you've had a volatile relationship,
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  Speaker 6: there are traumatized over the scene. You're saying you want
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  Speaker 6: to break it off, and then not only do you
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  Speaker 6: just go out and date somebody, You're going to go
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  Speaker 6: out and you're going to date a Miss America contestant.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it Miss Usa?
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  Speaker 6: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Ohio goes into that. Miss Ohio goes into
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  Speaker 1: Miss USA as opposed to Miss There's a very subtle
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  Speaker 1: but important distinction. Okay, and again, it's not a beauty pageant.
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  Speaker 1: It's a scholarship. It's a scholarship. Okay. Can any of
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  Speaker 1: you people see Sandra Bullock in this congeniality for Pete's sake? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: back to you.
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  Speaker 6: Go ahead, Hey, yeah, and so yeah, this is gonna
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  Speaker 6: this is listen. Most you know, Nancy, you and I
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  Speaker 6: have worked together a long time. Most of the cases
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  Speaker 6: that we involved that are very very violent. They're not
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  Speaker 6: some stranger just coming at you out out of a
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  Speaker 6: dark alley, are they. Most of these things have come
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  Speaker 6: some kind of domestic connection many times, particularly those that
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  Speaker 6: are just loaded with a lot of violence, which in
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  Speaker 6: this particular case, it was you have passion that's involved
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  Speaker 6: in this. You have a lot of anger, and boy
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  Speaker 6: did she take it out on him.
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  Speaker 1: This woman gives an all new meaning to snakes in
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  Speaker 1: her head crime stories with Nancy Grace. Quote, I am
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  Speaker 1: a tall san brunette standing five to nine, one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifteen pounds, with lots of long wavy golden brown hair,
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  Speaker 1: big steel blue dough eyes, and a wide, bright smile
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  Speaker 1: on a heart shaped face. Okay, that's sirr not me.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just take this in. I'm a tall than
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  Speaker 1: brunette five nine, one hundred and fifteen pounds Number one,
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  Speaker 1: she needs to eat some more, with lots of long
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  Speaker 1: wavy gold brown hair, big steel blue doe eyes, and
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  Speaker 1: a wide, bright smile on a heart shaped face. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: As if that's not enough, this is what she says next.
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  Speaker 1: No one really knows or can explain what I've been
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  Speaker 1: through besides me, me me me, me, me me, it's
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  Speaker 1: about who me Shana Hubers again, forget the dead boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: and her family just oh grief stricken after their golden
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  Speaker 1: boy a shot dead. Well, Hubers is apparently holding out
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  Speaker 1: hope she will soon be a free woman, hitting out
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  Speaker 1: at false conviction theories and arguing her case was used
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  Speaker 1: to obtain TV ratings. My she certainly thinks a lot
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  Speaker 1: of herself. What like she's going to rape better than
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  Speaker 1: what American idol or I just these people what is
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  Speaker 1: going on in their head? Luckily the state doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: to prove the motive. Who wants to go and sign
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  Speaker 1: her head and figure it all out? Do you think
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  Speaker 1: it's a coincidence? Francy Haigesen, He's trying to get ready
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  Speaker 1: to go out on this date and up comes Shana. Heabs,
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  Speaker 1: of course not.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Nancy. On America's Most Wanted, which we both covered,
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  Speaker 5: there was a case where the girlfriend who killed her
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  Speaker 5: boyfriend had cloned his phone so that she could intercept
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  Speaker 5: and even.
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  Speaker 1: Low down, slow down, missy, you got to say that
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  Speaker 1: very slowly, for you know, I've just got a JD.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get my master's at MIT. So explain to
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  Speaker 1: me and to everybody listening what it means to actually
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  Speaker 1: clone someone's phone. And let's just say that takes a
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  Speaker 1: lot of gumption to go that far to clone a phone.
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  Speaker 1: I've told you this own of times, Francy. I tried
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  Speaker 1: to read my husband's email one time, and it was
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  Speaker 1: so boring. My eyes were bad, it was terrible. Never again.
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  Speaker 1: I found out nothing. There was nothing to find out,
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  Speaker 1: so I haven't wasted my time doing that again. If
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  Speaker 1: you've got hey tip, if you've got a clone your
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend or girlfriend's phone, you need to break up immediately
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  Speaker 1: and date somebody else or go to therapy. Okay, Brank,
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  Speaker 1: everybody listening, How do you clone a phone? This is great, jaculous, simple, Nancy.
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  Speaker 5: All you have to do is go to the internet
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  Speaker 5: and get instructions. There are programs out there that allow
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  Speaker 5: you as long as you have access to the boyfriend
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  Speaker 5: or girlfriend's device. I don't I don't want to give
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  Speaker 5: them programs away, but it's really easy to find with
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  Speaker 5: a quick five minute search on the internet, where you
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  Speaker 5: can assign that phone to your own as if it
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  Speaker 5: is your own, you can initiate text messages, you can
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  Speaker 5: read the text messages that are coming and going from
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  Speaker 5: your significant other's phone, And we covered a case like
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  Speaker 5: that on America's Most Wanted. So it wouldn't shock me
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  Speaker 5: to know that Shana had done the same thing or
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  Speaker 5: just gotten his phone in the million times she was
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  Speaker 5: in his apartment and wouldn't leave and he would go
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  Speaker 5: into a different room, I wouldn't be at all surprised
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  Speaker 5: if she was monitoring his social media for example, how
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  Speaker 5: hard would it be to get his Facebook password and
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  Speaker 5: see that he's communicating with direct messages to miss Ohio, USA.
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  Speaker 5: So that would not surprise me to learn at all.
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  Speaker 1: And as I say my book, don't be a victim,
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  Speaker 1: please beef up your passwords because it was probably she
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  Speaker 1: hadn't a fish in a barrel for this woman who
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  Speaker 1: was dead set on spying on her boyfriend, Ryan Post,
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  Speaker 1: an up and coming lawyer. A probably used his DOB
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  Speaker 1: or his social or his address or some connect concoction
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  Speaker 1: of the two to be maybe his bar ID number
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  Speaker 1: to create a password. And he probably the same password
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  Speaker 1: on every device and on every social media site. But
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee you again, let's use our noggins for a
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  Speaker 1: moment that she was spying on him and it hacked
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  Speaker 1: into his accounts. This is why she hadn't been to
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  Speaker 1: his home until the time of the shooting that day
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  Speaker 1: that we know of, so getting ready for a date
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  Speaker 1: that night. I don't think she went over there with
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  Speaker 1: any other intention. Much like Jody Arius literally driving across
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  Speaker 1: the desert to convince her boyfriend Travis Alexander not to
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  Speaker 1: go on a trip with another woman, but to take
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  Speaker 1: her instead. I think she went there with the intent
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  Speaker 1: to talk him out of going on his date literally
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  Speaker 1: with the beauty queen. Okay, now you know the background,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to more of that very telling nine
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  Speaker 1: to one one call.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, are you sure that he has said? And how
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  Speaker 2: long ago did you shoot him? I don't know, not
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  Speaker 2: even that long fifteen minutes ago. So yeah, okay, what's
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  Speaker 2: your name? My name is Sana. I'm gonna tell you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. What does it again? Tell me a strata Miselle,
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  Speaker 2: you Berne be yours? Okay, what's your name? Against Shane
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  Speaker 2: or Sana Shane as they say in all right, Shane.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just having a hard time me, aren't you. Okay, Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna nail Listen, You're gonna stay on the line
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  Speaker 2: with me. Okay, because this is what we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 2: The officers don't want me to stay on the line
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  Speaker 2: with you, so when you get when they get there,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna want to know where that gun is and
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  Speaker 2: we want you to get out safely too. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: are they gonnas?
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  Speaker 1: I heard a little chill in her voice something like
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  Speaker 1: that when she was trying to tune up with tears again.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Joe Scott Morgan, I know that you're a
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  Speaker 1: death investigator and you've been to literally thousands of homicide scenes.
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  Speaker 1: But have you ever seen The Wizard of Oz where
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  Speaker 1: they call in the coroner. Did you hear her say
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  Speaker 1: he's completely dead? And he's most completely dead? Remember how
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  Speaker 1: the coroner reads off how the wicked witch? And I
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  Speaker 1: guess that's oh, and she's My point is she's emphatic,
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  Speaker 1: but she's not distraught. Oh he's dead, he's completely dead.
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  Speaker 1: I would not expect that of a girlfriend that had
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  Speaker 1: just shot someone she loves, even if it's in self defense,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's an accident, you would expect emotion, not
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  Speaker 1: oh he's completely dead, just the way she said that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, when something like this happened, you
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  Speaker 6: all of the senses are aroused. You know it's it's
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  Speaker 6: and you're acutely aware she's standing there in this smoke,
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  Speaker 6: nancy that that has. You know, she's inhalated this gun smoke.
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  Speaker 6: She's in there, and she may have heard sounds that
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  Speaker 6: he was making as she shot him, as he tumbled
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  Speaker 6: to the floor. The sound itself, the gunshots are still
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  Speaker 6: ringing in her ears. But yet, you know, the thing
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  Speaker 6: about it is, it's not like she experiences this every day.
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  Speaker 6: It's almost like she's prepared for it. And you don't
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  Speaker 6: hear the same level of distress in her voice that
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  Speaker 6: you would. You know, I've been on scenes and I've
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  Speaker 6: talked to people that have shot other individuals, and there
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  Speaker 6: sometimes they'll lapse into into moments of what we refer
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  Speaker 6: to as kind of catatonia, where they're just blanked out
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  Speaker 6: and they're staring off into the distance because it's such
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  Speaker 6: a shocking event. If I was interviewing her, I have
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  Speaker 6: a lot of questions because she has not rattled to
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  Speaker 6: her core. She has very specific details about all of this,
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  Speaker 6: and it rises and fall.
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  Speaker 1: And to you, doctor Angela Arnold, I got a series
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  Speaker 1: of questions for you, but I know that people can
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  Speaker 1: in fact disassociate with what's happening and have a period
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  Speaker 1: of time that they really cannot remember that that's real.
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  Speaker 1: It does happen. But doctor Angela Arnold Psychia is joining
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  Speaker 1: us out of Atlanta. I want you to take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to more of this. No, I'm on one call
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  Speaker 1: and tell me what you here. Listen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I gonna arrest me, ma'am. I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: he'll do. We're gonna send send them out. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: say mine with you. Okay, I mean, I'm not I
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  Speaker 2: just know what what happened, exactly what happened at Turn
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  Speaker 2: me out of the house and I can reac get
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  Speaker 2: my brains. And he was and he raced down and
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  Speaker 2: dropped the Okay, all right, do you need an ambulance?
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  Speaker 2: Have you been injured? I'm not injured him. I was
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  Speaker 2: thrown into the side of the house. Okay. And how
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  Speaker 2: old is he? So many night? Will be thirty on
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  Speaker 2: if you would have been thirty on December thirty? All right,
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  Speaker 2: what's the name Ryan Carter posted? He's an attorney in Cincinnati. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you had a history of domestic silence with him? Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and is this your gun? No, this is his gun.
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  Speaker 2: He keeps floating gun to the house.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace quote, I've been through a
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  Speaker 1: heartbreaking journey, but I haven't given up on meeting someone true, loyal,
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  Speaker 1: loving and respectful, non judgmental and devoted. Reality check, you
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  Speaker 1: did meet that person. His name was Ryan Posten, and
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  Speaker 1: you shot him dead. Now, while Shanna Huber's profile says
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  Speaker 1: she's straight and looking to connect with a man, she
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  Speaker 1: did marry a transgender woman, Unique Tailor, Unique you n
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  Speaker 1: iqu E Unique Tailor, and about a twenty second jail
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  Speaker 1: house ceremony back in twenty eighteen. Now, Unique Tailor was
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  Speaker 1: once Richard McBee, but more important was a repeat felony offender,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: and the two Shana Hubers and Unique Tailor split seven
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: months after the jailhouse wedding, citing guess what irreconcilable differences? Well,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I can only imagine what those differences may have been.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: That said, how did we get here? How did Ryan
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Posting an up and coming lawyer handsomely scrubbing sunshine? How
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: did he end up on the wrong end of a barrel?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Points that I would hammer to the jury. He was
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: beating me. But I came back in the house. So
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: she's not injured, not injured at all. I've looked at
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: her bookend photos. Not injured at all. But why would
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: you go back into the home if your your attacker
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: is in the home.
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: And Nancy, don't you think the nine to one one
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: operator did an amazing job.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, I did.
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: Nine to one one operator was on it, wasn't.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: She Oh man, if you think she's on it dog injury.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: It dune in the house. And I mean everything was
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: so clear about what she said. Oh, I landed on
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: the couch. That's why I wasn't hurt when he was
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: beating me, because I landed on the couch.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Well, she goes into that explanation. Listen, so he's not.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Land into the couch. But you don't have any injury.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I don't have any injuries. I was very tightened. He
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: takes it a lot bigger than mere pounds.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: On five.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And he and he takes me out and was hearing
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: me out of the house, and I said, let me
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: get my things at least if we're going to break up,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: and he wouldn't let me get my things. And when
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I reached around and tried to get my thing. He
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I can hear myself actually in the background. Now it's
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: just a phone. So a phone so so has got
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: a delay. And he pushed me down from the door
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: all the way to the couch. When they come here
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: to feel far letters, he'screw me a casser room. And
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and I was very sollow. I was laying on the floor. Okay,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: all right, and I've killed him.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And now we hear a motivation emerging. Did you hear
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the words break up, let's go to our cut six?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry you said you shot him a couple
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: more times after that? Yeah? How many times did you
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: shoot him?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Total?
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know, okay, because he was twitching and he
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: knew he said die, So he shot him again, belching
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: from you shot him instead of calling nine one one?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: What so instead of calling nine? When once she continues
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: to shoot him, well there's more listen, And I just.
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: Picked up the gun and in the middle of him
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: doing something with his arm or saying something crazy, shot
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: him And I thought, oh my god, what have I died?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: And he was laying with his face on a table
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: like twitching, and so I knew he was gonna die
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: a very slow and painful and he was already dead.
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: You know, it would be in the next twenty seconds
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: to the next two minutes. And then he was said
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: he dead, and he was in a lot of pain.
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: His twitch and he is moaning, but he was ultimately dead.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And so I shot him.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: Enough time to kill him so that he wouldn't suffer.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, Francy Haiges from her federal prosecutor jump in, Yeah.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Nancy, I killed him so he wouldn't suffer. I killed
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: him because I thought he was coming at me. I
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: killed him because I was terrified of him. I killed
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: him because he was twitching. I killed him because I
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: didn't want him to suffer. But he was going to
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: die a slow and painful death. And oh, by the way,
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: I knew we only had about twenty seconds to go.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: She's all over the place. This is so inconsistent. Within
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: about a minute and a half, Nancy, that a prosecutor
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: is going to have a field day with this case.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: And I bet you, like me, would love to be
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: in the room giving clothing arguments on this one.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: You're not kidding, godra Angela Arnold, listen to this.
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: At that point, which would have a few more times,
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: and I shot him.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I think I shot him twice. Thought he was completely dead.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: He was laying there still twenty making noises, and I
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: shot him in the head.
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: I probably should have left it there, but I know
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: he could die.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Or had a very deformed face.
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: You were concerned, and I knew.
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: Although he would have died, he was already died.
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: He was already you would die.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: But I just walked around the table and shot him
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: where I knew he would die immediately. In fact, his
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: obsession was done.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Killed him.
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: You know, I would have never goner.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I would have never pushed to that in my life.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I mean occasionally in this line of business, I have
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: been speechless, and that happened to be when I've recovered.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Don't worry, uh, Christi Msurich reporting on the case. Did
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you hear that? Oh?
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: I did.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: That he would have a very different face because she
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: shot him in the face, and so she shot him again.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Then she goes into her political political preferences way and
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Christy again.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: We were aghast everybody that was covering this story in
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Cincinnati when this was unfolding, because her big not only
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: political platform was discussed. But not to go into too
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: many details. She also started bereading the victim, saying, you
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: just don't understand why to shoot him so many times
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: because he was so vain and he.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Just wouldn't die.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Isn't it true, Christie mssuri that at one point she said,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I gave him the nose job he always wanted.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: That is absolutely correct.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Okay. And with that, doctor Angel Arnold, you're the psychiatrist,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'll let you weigh in on that. Oh my god, Nancy, who.
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: I know.
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: It's just it's sort of breathtaking, isn't it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't describe it like that. I mean, I say
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: breathtaking when you look.
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: Down taking my breath away. I mean, who thinks like this? Right,
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: I'm still back on the part where she kept shooting him.
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: If she was so scared of him, like you said,
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: just get out of there, If she's such a gun hater,
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: then why did she keep shooting the guy?
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: Well?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Did you hear quote? His obsession with guns killed him,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: not me.
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah again, hello psychopath, Nothing is her fault.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay, you know I've noticed something about you, doctor Angie.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: You like to throw me on the term psychopath. But
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: not every went to medical school. So could you explain
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: what that is and why you're using the term with
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Shana Heabers.
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: Psychopath is someone First of all, it's like a it's
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: like a heavier form of narcissistic personality disorder they have.
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: They have no remorse for things they don't.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing. Did you explain one Latin term
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: with another Latin term? Okay, I'm sorry, had work.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: She she thinks about herself, she charms people, she lies,
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: she manipulates. There's a complete lack of social rules, and
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: she prioritizes her own self interest.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Francy, once I hear saying everything else is like blah
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, because it's not a defense. Either
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: you did or you did not know right from wrong
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: at the time of the incident. That is the quote
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: old McNaughton rule, which came from Great Britain, and we
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Americans brought that jurisprudence, that body of law from Great
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Britain when we came here, and that is still the
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: test for insanity today. Now there are some slight derivations,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: but generally being a psychopath or being drunk or being
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: high on drugs or being narcissistic. None of that rises
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to insanity as a defense under the law.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: You're absolutely right, Nancy. In fact, you could be mentally
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: ill and still be legally responsible. And here, even if
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: she has in her retrials, even if she has medical experts,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: get up and say she is insane or she was
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: insane at the time of the crime. The prosecution has
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: very strong arguments to combat that. In her own words
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: on the nine to one one call. As we've already
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: discussed all those inconsistencies, that's not because someone is insane.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: That's someone who's constantly changing her story trying to find
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: the one that'll work to get her walked out of
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: the jail, and she never found it and she never
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: will find it.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Same thing with Jodi Arius. You remember how many defenses
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: she threw out. First, I wasn't even there. Okay, yes
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I was there, but it was self defense. Well I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: left out the one about a man and a woman
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: dressed as Ninja's came in and killed him and let
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: me live. The defense has changed and changed and changed, guys.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: It just just nothing like giving the jury the nine
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: one one call in opening statement if you haven't already
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: had it admitted into evidence correctly pre trial. Then you
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: have to give a different opening statement, then lay the
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: foundation for the NIE one one call, and then play
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: it pretty quickly for the jury because you really want
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: them to hear this. Listen.
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: Oh no, he said you're just the hillbilly from the
• 32:02
  Speaker 12: Times to me, I am if I the hillbilly came
• 32:06
  Speaker 12: out of me?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Cut the up.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I haven't mad.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Now, course I haven't done the whole lot.
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: But I feel like party doesn't feel bad about it.
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: That part of me, does you know what I mean?
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: Like that's part of the life he's making through me.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I just don't treat one.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I guess this is the need to fance quote. I
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: guess the hillbilly came out of me. Okay. She also
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: says part of me doesn't feel bad about it. Well,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I just had to get to this part of her interrogation. Listen,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Oh please stop it. I thought I wanted to hear it,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: but then suddenly I don't. She's actually vocalizing. She's singing
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: harmony and melody, which again shows she's not insane. Christy
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Massurich helped me. This is just hours after she guns
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: down her boyfriend that broke up with her, that she
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: tried to get back with, that didn't want her back,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: that she shot dead. Help me, why is she singing
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: amazing grace?
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Well, because I think she's trying to pretend that she's crazy,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: because moments after that, she's mumbling to herself in that
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: video she says she can't believe she actually did it,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: and she's so good at acting. This tape went on
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: for hours, Nancy, this wasn't a short interrogation, and investigators
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: left her inside by herself because they were a guest
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: watching what was going on from another room and just
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: let the recording continue.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Again, reminds me of Jody Aris, remember her standing on
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: her head and doing gymnastics and humming in the police
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: interrogation room. Guys, you know this is like drinking from
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the fire hydrant. And I think Fancy Haiks and jo
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan will agree with me. Not an interrogation tape
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: like this. Again, few and far between. Now, embrace yourself.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: So many red flags. Take a listen to our friend
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Tom McGee WCPO.
• 35:22
  Speaker 10: In the eighteen months Shanna Hubers and Ryan Posting were together,
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: there was an incredible number of social media messages between
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: them Highwand Heights Police Chief Bill Berkenhauer gave jurors a
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: staggering number on Monday.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Pretty much you can't count them.
• 35:35
  Speaker 10: I would say it was between fifteen one hundred thousand messages.
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: So how many came from Shannon Hubers and how many
• 35:40
  Speaker 10: did Ryan post? An answer, The chief says it depended
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: on the situation that he was trying.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: To break up or move on.
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: She would send him one hundred messages to his one response.
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: Any times he would.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Just turn his phone off.
• 35:53
  Speaker 10: When it came to Facebook, Chief Berkenhauer testified that Hubert's
• 35:56
  Speaker 10: got into posting's page, blocked people, and send messages like
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: this hah After you wrote on my pick, Ryan unliked
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: it BC because he realized that I liked it from
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: his computer.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: While logged on as him.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Ha ha ha.
• 36:11
  Speaker 10: Then there were times that Huber's used a friend's phone
• 36:13
  Speaker 10: to send text messages, often using strong language.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: You're just a horrible attorney. Ha you lost a client
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and didn't contest. Wow, not easy, just stupid.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Goodbye.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing to her lawyer like attacking their maneuvers
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: in court. But I think our cut fourteen it's his
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: reporter Mike Shell at Fox nineteen was one of the
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: most disturbing facts that we learned. Listen.
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: Day six of the retrials saw the prosecution put four
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: three women who had contact with Hubers while she was
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: in the Campbell County Detention Center waiting for her first
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: trial to begin.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Nis, let's just get this out of the way right away.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Are you a convicted fella?
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: Yes, Paully Nivens says, You's described what happened after she
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: picked up Ryan Posting's gun from the dining room table
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: at his Highland Heights condo.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: She asked Ryan, she said, what would you do if
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I am pointed the gun at him?
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: What does she say?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Mister Poston did smirked at her, and what does she do?
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: At that point, walked around the table and shot him.
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: Posting stepsister left the courtroom in tears what she heard
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: what Huber's allegedly said about her family.
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: She had said that.
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: Ryan's family had a bunch of money and that they
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: can buy a new child.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Behind bar is awaiting trial, shanea Hebrews kill a girlfriend
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: says his family's got money, they can buy a new child, okay.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, the psychological and psychiatric implications aside. Isn't
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: it true there was no evidence whatsoever of any physical
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: fight between the two.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: No, there wasn't. And let me tell you this, I
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: can prove that her alibi, her story, whatever the hell
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: you want to call it, is complete bs, Nancy. When
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: you get into ballistics and firearms, one of the toughest
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: shots to make is what's referred to as a head shot.
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: If people at home will just think about the silhouettes
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: that they see, Folks that say gun ranges, if they've
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: ever seen pictures of it, it's a silhouette. You've got
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: a head, then you've got shoulders and a body. And
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: in defensive training, what they do is they teach you
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: to fire center mass. That means at the center of
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: the body, Okay, the biggest part of the body. To
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: score what's referred to as a head shot, particularly with
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: a handgun, is very, very difficult. It's a higher order
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: kind of thing. So what that tells me, miss, I'm
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: afraid of handguns and I don't even like handguns, Nancy.
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: From what I understand, she pumps six rounds into this guy. Okay, six, one, two, three, four,
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: five six, The one where she says, well, I guess
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: I gave him the nose job he always wanted. You
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: know why she did, because she shot him center mass
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: in the face with a lead core projectile that probably
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: destroyed his face at that moment time, and then she
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: continued to pump other rounds into him after she had
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: scored a deadly headshot. This is not something like if
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: you're falling backwards. Oh my god, I'm falling backwards and
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: I'm landing on this couch safely, and I'm just trying
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: to defend myself. Bs. You walked up on him, You
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: planned it, and you ambushed him. You shot this guy
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: in the face, and then once he was down, you
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: continue to pump rounds into his lifeless body.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Can I remind everybody that Shana Heabers started dancing around
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the interrogation room, twirling in circles, snapping her fingers and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: singing quote, I killed him, I killed him. I did it, Yes,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I did it. I can't believe I did that. Wow.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: This woman had two criminal trials. The first of verdict
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: was thrown out after a general revealed he was a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: convicted felon and even he convicted her. The second criminal
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: trial saw her same defense used again. She maintained she
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: was acting in self defense when she shot Posting in
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the face. As she was speaking to police, she stated,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: he's very vain. One of our last conversations we had
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: that was good was that he wants to get a
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: nose job, and I shot him right here. I gave
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: him his nose job he wanted. I broke it. Okay,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: this woman needs to stay behind bars. And if any
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: of you men out there need to find a companion
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: or a love interest, I would like to shew you
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: warn you away from Shana Hubers. Okay, let me advise
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you to take the patent turner pat the street and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: turn the corner and go right down to your local
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: church or synagogue and meet a nice lady, not one
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: that will shoot you in the face after she stalks you. Okay,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: just a word of advice, A nice lady you might
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: meet in Sunday school or Hebrew class, something like that. Okay.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: If that doesn't work out, go wander around the produce
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: section at the grocery store. If that doesn't work, go
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: to the library. If that doesn't work, go to Loew's
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: or home depot. Please do not get hooked up with
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Shana Huber. Now, I'm just a lawyer. I'm not a
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: professional shrink, dear Abby, but listen to me, man, do
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: not date Shana Hubers because I predict one day she
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: will get out and she will come looking for you.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: And with that note, Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,