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Child sex predator travels 351 MILES BY FOOT to sex assault 14-year-old “Kylie” · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Today on Crime Stories, we head to Winnebago County, Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: Child purgerts are everywhere. It's a very high portion of
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Speaker 1: the population. They live in suburbs. A pedophile is not
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Speaker 1: just a guy in a trench coat, you know, lurking
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Speaker 1: on the corner at school bus stops. It could be
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Speaker 1: your pastor, It could be your next door neighbor, it
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Speaker 1: could be your cousin. Joining Nancy Grace, the sheriff of
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Speaker 1: Winnebago County, John Motts, Captain David Mack, Alicia Koza Kevig.
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Speaker 1: You can check her story out at Alicia kozak dot com.
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Speaker 1: World renowned psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall, and investigative journalists for Crime
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Speaker 1: Online Levi page Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Investigators knew
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Speaker 1: his face. Tommy Lee jenkins first conviction on child sex
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Speaker 1: charges was in twenty eleven. Now he's charged in a
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Speaker 1: new investigation. Documents showed Jenkins used Facebook to communicate with
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Speaker 1: someone he thought was fourteen. It was actually an undercover
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Speaker 1: deputy who asked, do you care I'm fourteen and drink
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Speaker 1: Jenkins reply. According to the records, No prosecutors claimed Jenkins
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Speaker 1: initiated the topic of sex and wanted the undercover to
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Speaker 1: send a picture with no shirt no pans, asking when
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Speaker 1: you get here, would you like to have sex with me?
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Speaker 1: The undercover responded yes, this past Sunday, The records show,
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Speaker 1: Jenkins sent an explicit picture of himself and asked for
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Speaker 1: a picture. In return. The undercover responded what picture, and
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Speaker 1: documents show Jenkins replied a picture of you naked, and
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Speaker 1: Jenkins allegedly told the undercover he planned to walk nearly
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Speaker 1: four hundred miles from Whitestown, Indiana to Nina, Wisconsin to
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Speaker 1: meet for sex. On the way, prosecutors claim Jenkins documented
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Speaker 1: the trip with selfies and pictures of exit signs, and
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Speaker 1: on Thursday, record show Jenkins told the undercover he made
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Speaker 1: it to Wisconsin and wanted to have five hundred kids
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Speaker 1: before we are with God. Instead, Jenkins found investigators waiting
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Speaker 1: to take him back to jail. Selfies and photos of
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Speaker 1: exit signs. It sounds like he's on a spring break trip,
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Speaker 1: a road trip of some sort. Let's not put perfume
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Speaker 1: on the pig, all right. What this is is a
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Speaker 1: grown man in his thirties, Tommy Lee Jenkins believe it
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Speaker 1: or not walking walking w A L K I n G.
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Speaker 1: Walking three hundred and fifty one miles from Indiana to
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Speaker 1: Wisconsin to have relations with a fourteen year old girl.
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Speaker 1: If that does not make you run and confiscate all
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Speaker 1: your children's devices. I hid my son's device this morning
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Speaker 1: in the kitchen towels, and very often I forget where
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Speaker 1: I put them, and then we have to do find
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Speaker 1: my iPhone. And if too much time has passed the
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Speaker 1: phone's den and we can't find the iPhone, then I
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Speaker 1: have to perform an exorcism on myself to figure out
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Speaker 1: where the devices are. Long story short, this is real
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Speaker 1: and guess what else? It ain't his first time at
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Speaker 1: the rodeo. Cop snow Jenkins, Oh too well, I, Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime stories. You were just hearing our friends
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Speaker 1: at WI s N twelve News. That was Reporter Derek Rose.
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Speaker 1: What an all star panel we have lined up for you.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Sheriff John Motts out of Winnebago County,
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Speaker 1: He's got an earfull. Captain David Mack Internet Crimes against
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Speaker 1: Children's Task for US. Alicia Kozakevitch kidnap an assault survivor.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Alicia Kozak dot com. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst joining me out of LA. But
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Speaker 1: right now to investigative journalist Levi Paige crime online dot com,
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Speaker 1: where you can find this in all other breaking crime
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Speaker 1: and justice news. Levi, did I get that number right?
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Speaker 1: Did this perv actually walk three hundred and fifty one
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Speaker 1: miles walked three hundred and fifty one miles to have
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Speaker 1: relations with a little girl? You're correct, Nancy, And we're
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Speaker 1: talking about thirty two year old Tommy Jenkins who lived
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Speaker 1: in Whitestown, Indiana, suburban area of Indianapolis, and he traveled
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Speaker 1: all the way to Wisconsin to meet what he thought
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Speaker 1: was a fourteen year old girl named Kylie that he
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Speaker 1: got in contact with on Facebook and start to stop
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Speaker 1: right there, Levi, Levi, Levi, I know you got a
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Speaker 1: lot to tell me, but I mean, right there, you know,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho analyst out of LA. Did you
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Speaker 1: hear that that one word stuck in my mind actually
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Speaker 1: is more like a dagger in my heart. Suburbs. You
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Speaker 1: think you're all safe out there in the suburbs with
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Speaker 1: your yard and your fence, and this guy was leading
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Speaker 1: a regular normal air quoties life. He's a child per Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Child perverts are everywhere. It's a very high portion of
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Speaker 1: the population. They live in suburbs. A pedophile is not
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Speaker 1: just a guy in a trench coat, you know, lurking
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Speaker 1: on the corner at school bus stops. It could be
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Speaker 1: your pastor, it could be your next door neighbor, it
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Speaker 1: could be your cousin. You have to always watch over
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Speaker 1: your children and I always say nobody should be more
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Speaker 1: interested in your children than you. That is the number
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Speaker 1: one morning sign. If you have if you have a neighbor,
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Speaker 1: choir leader, anybody in your community who wants to spend
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Speaker 1: a lot of time with your children, you have to
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Speaker 1: be suspicious because that's where this guy got his start.
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Speaker 1: Well is moving in with a woman. I want everybody
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Speaker 1: to I hope you're sitting down, but you may need
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Speaker 1: to lay down or at least put on a crash helmet.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this. Just weeks before, police reports obtained by
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Speaker 1: twelve News show Jenkins was found outside a storage shed
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Speaker 1: just outside of Osh Gosh without a shirt. Inside one
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Speaker 1: of the unit's two kids, ages two and nine, both
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Speaker 1: naked huddled on the concrete floor and wrapped in a
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Speaker 1: wet blanket. The investigation revealed Jenkins lived with the boy
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Speaker 1: and girl and their mom, and eventually admitted to taking
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Speaker 1: them late at night without her permission. Jenkins told investigators
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Speaker 1: he took their clothes off to prevent hypothermia because it
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Speaker 1: was raining. The weather apparently complicated his first plan. A
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Speaker 1: nearby water logged tent was found, according to investigators, with clothes, diapers,
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Speaker 1: a baby gun, and a jar labeled moonshine. The documents
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Speaker 1: indicate Jenkins was previously investigated for giving alcohol to children
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Speaker 1: and sexually assaulting them. Jail records show Jenkins was released
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Speaker 1: from the Winnebago Honey Jail in September seventeenth. He moved
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Speaker 1: to Indiana and started communicating with the undercover agents just
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Speaker 1: two weeks later. Does it never end with this guy
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Speaker 1: joining me right now? Special Guest Sheriff John Motts from
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Speaker 1: Winnebago County Sheriff Motts, It is a real honor to
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Speaker 1: have you on with us. It's not light. We didn't
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Speaker 1: have warning. He is out and some kind of a
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Speaker 1: storage unit with his shirt off, with two naked children
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Speaker 1: and a jar labeled moonshine, help me because I'm actually
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Speaker 1: having chest pains right now. Why didn't this guy get
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Speaker 1: put in jail that time, Sheriff, Well, we did charge
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Speaker 1: him with criminal charges. He spent some time in our jail.
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Speaker 1: It was reviewed by our district attorney's office, and ultimately
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Speaker 1: they didn't charge. Tommy Jenkins does have the ability to
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Speaker 1: make plans, and as you can see with the three
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty mile trek in a later investigation, he
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Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. He's very manipulative. During our interviews,
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Speaker 1: he tried to stay one step ahead of us, and ultimately,
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Speaker 1: on that particular particular charge of the storage unit, they didn't.
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Speaker 1: They didn't pursue the charges. There were some issues with
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Speaker 1: mom and his ability to have the children. However, after
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Speaker 1: we had indicated and told her what had happened that evening,
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Speaker 1: she was absolutely adamant that she would not have allowed
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Speaker 1: to take him, take any take the children anywhere on
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Speaker 1: that night or for any lengthy period of time as
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Speaker 1: the plan was. You were just hearing w I s
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Speaker 1: N twelve reporter and Matt Smith. But take a listen
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Speaker 1: to it. Wtm J Milwaukee reporter Mary Joe Olah has
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Speaker 1: to say. Thirty two year old Tommy Lee Jenkins was
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Speaker 1: found at a storage unit just outside Oshkosh in September.
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Speaker 1: With him were two kids who were naked. The children,
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Speaker 1: their mother, and another woman were living with Jenkins at
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Speaker 1: the time, and he occasionally took care of the kids.
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Speaker 1: Police her differing stories as to what was going on
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Speaker 1: in the home, but Jenkins admitted to taking the kids
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Speaker 1: that night without permission because he was scared that their
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Speaker 1: mother would take them away. Sometime later, in Child Protective
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Speaker 1: Services filed a complaint with the Sheriff's office. The CPS
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Speaker 1: complaint says the kid's father was getting threats from Jenkins
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Speaker 1: on Facebook and that Jenkins was posting pictures of the
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Speaker 1: kids on the social media site. Despite all of this,
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Speaker 1: the charges were dropped. Yeah, charges were dropped just in
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Speaker 1: time for him to get on the Internet and lure
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Speaker 1: what he thought was a fourteen year old girl asking
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Speaker 1: for explicit photos and making his way nearly four hundred
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Speaker 1: miles by foot to have relations with a little girl.
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Speaker 1: Why was he out prime stories with Nancy Grace? The
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Speaker 1: story is just one example of why it is so
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Speaker 1: important to know who your kids are talking to online.
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Speaker 1: Authorities say thirty two year old Tommy Lee Jenkins walked
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Speaker 1: for five days thinking he was going to have sex
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Speaker 1: with a young girl and Nina, Wisconsin. Now investigators say
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Speaker 1: Jenkins recently moved to Whitestown, Indiana that's just outside Indianapolis.
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Speaker 1: He met a deputy posing as a fourteen year old
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Speaker 1: girl named Kylie from Wisconsin on a social media platform
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Speaker 1: on October first, and began demanding sexually charged pictures from her.
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Speaker 1: But when Kylie refused to come to Indiana multiple times,
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Speaker 1: Jenkins allegedly started walking three hundred and fifty one miles
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Speaker 1: to Nina. There's an epidemic of child exploitation in our country.
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Speaker 1: The use of the Internet and social media allows for
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Speaker 1: communications to happen between adults and miners across state lines.
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Speaker 1: Even authorities in Winnebago County say Jenkins used to live
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Speaker 1: in Oshkosh and has a history of issues involving child abuse.
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Speaker 1: Jenkins now faces federal charges, and deputies again are urging
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Speaker 1: parents to know who their kids are talking to online.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back by Nancy Gracius's Crime Stories That was wt
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Speaker 1: M J Mulwalkerie reporter Mary Joe Olah with me. Sheriff
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Speaker 1: John Motts from Winnebago County. Captain David Mack. Internet Crimes
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Speaker 1: against Children Task Force Alicia Kozakevitch, Abductions survivor, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: and Levi Page. Captain Dave Mack. When I hear this,
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Speaker 1: it gets me so distraught. A few days ago, my
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Speaker 1: son was crestfallen. He goes mom. They closed down a
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Speaker 1: Fortnight because he and his little friends don't worry. I'm
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Speaker 1: hanging over his shoulder the whole time. I know exactly
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Speaker 1: who he's playing with. They love to play. I let
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Speaker 1: him have thirty minutes in the evenings. They play Fortnite
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Speaker 1: and they all taught. I don't know how they do it.
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Speaker 1: You can hear each other's voices, you can kind of
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Speaker 1: see each other, and they play this game. Fortnight closed down.
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Speaker 1: In my heart, I was rejoicing, but I had to
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Speaker 1: ask sad about Fortnite being gone. Then sadly I found
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Speaker 1: out it was a stunt. It's back. Captain Dave Mac.
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Speaker 1: How do purves predators get to our children? Well, they not,
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Speaker 1: unlike if they're speaking with our children and physically a
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Speaker 1: face to face predators will groom our children over the
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Speaker 1: over the internet the same way they do when they
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Speaker 1: have access to them in public. They'll talk with them,
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Speaker 1: tell them things that they want to hear, and start
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Speaker 1: establishing that relationship. So it's very important for us as
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Speaker 1: parents to know what they're doing and create and maintain
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Speaker 1: open lines of communication with our kids and prepare our
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Speaker 1: kids for the online world. Let them know that what
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Speaker 1: the dangers are out there and talk to them both stuff.
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Speaker 1: Keep maintain that positive relationship with your children. Apparently, according
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Speaker 1: to statistics, Indiana has double the rate of child abuse
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Speaker 1: then the national average according to a federal agency, Why
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Speaker 1: is that a man who recently moved to Whitestown, Indiana
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Speaker 1: facing federal criminal charges after he walks literally hundreds of
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Speaker 1: miles to Wisconsin to have sex relations with a little
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl he believed named Kylie and right
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Speaker 1: now to Alicia Kazakevich abduction survivor, Alicia explained to our listeners,
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Speaker 1: what happened to you as a little girl? Well, when
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Speaker 1: I was thirteen years old, I was groomed and large
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Speaker 1: from my home by an internet predator who kidnapped me
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Speaker 1: and held me captive in his basement dungeon where I
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Speaker 1: was raped and beaten and tortured, but thankfully was miraculously
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Speaker 1: rescued by law enforcement. And I am so lucky to
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Speaker 1: be here. And I'm so glad that this fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old girl was actually law enforcement because it could have
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Speaker 1: so easily have been a real life child. And the
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Speaker 1: thing is that there is a real life child right
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Speaker 1: now who is being groomed, and this case is just
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Speaker 1: it's so disturbing in that it's really important to know
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Speaker 1: that predators take risks. Predators take their time grooming, and
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Speaker 1: they also take risks, and their goal was to get
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Speaker 1: the intended victim to also take risks. And in this case,
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Speaker 1: he was so excited that he walked three hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty one miles and he was so excited and quite
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Speaker 1: possibly having something close to a manic episode. It almost
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Speaker 1: seems to go that far with it, and the fact
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Speaker 1: that he had been arrested before for a crime against children.
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Speaker 1: We need to start taking these cases seriously, really seriously.
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Speaker 1: When there's an old saying, when someone says or when
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Speaker 1: someone shows you who they are, believe them, and we
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Speaker 1: really need to start doing that. This person showed himself
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Speaker 1: as a predator, and he is still a predator and
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Speaker 1: he would continue to offend. Thankfully, law enforcement caught him.
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Speaker 1: And that's why it is so important to fund law
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Speaker 1: enforcement to make sure that they have the funding and
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Speaker 1: the resources. In Wisconsin exactly, and Wisconsin, Alicia's Law has
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Speaker 1: passed and they've done amazing work with it. And what
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Speaker 1: Alicia's Law, my Namesake does is it funds at law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: It's funds the eye tacks so that they can do
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Speaker 1: this investigative work and so that they can save children.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about how children are snared online
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Speaker 1: on the internet. Just like in Alicia's case, the child
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Speaker 1: thinks they're speaking to another child and actuality they're speaking
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Speaker 1: to an adult. How does it work to captain Dave's
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Speaker 1: Matt you brought up Fortnite? There's other other applications that
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Speaker 1: people will pose as alternate identities on and they have
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Speaker 1: access to your children. Then musically is one of them.
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Speaker 1: There's other applications where our kids are out there, they're
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Speaker 1: sharing videos of themselves or they're chatting with people and
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Speaker 1: they really don't know who they're talking to. Again, that's
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Speaker 1: why it's so important as parents that we know about
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Speaker 1: the applications that be familiar with the applications your kids
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Speaker 1: have on their phones, their iPhones, because let's face it,
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Speaker 1: iPhones are just small computers. So when you an iPhone,
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Speaker 1: they have access to everybody in the world, literally everybody
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Speaker 1: in the world. And that's why I think we see
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Speaker 1: an uptick in this type of a crime because we've
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Speaker 1: created so they access the accessibility to so many different
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Speaker 1: areas with so many different people. This is one isolated instance.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this Florence reveal the level of abuse Charlatean
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Speaker 1: endured while being held captive in Georgia for more than
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Speaker 1: a year. The documents day that Michael Weislovsky can find
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Speaker 1: Haley Burns in an upstairs bedroom of his Stills home,
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Speaker 1: telling her that she would they arrest did if she left.
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Speaker 1: Wislovsky reportedly controlled every aspect of his seventeen rold captive's life,
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Speaker 1: keeping a food journal detailing how many calories she'd eaten
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Speaker 1: each day, and withholding food from Haley if he thought
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Speaker 1: she'd eaten too many calories the day before. Doctors at
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta hospital who examined Haley after she was rescued
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Speaker 1: determined she was suffering from malnutrition, according to Warrens. Her
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Speaker 1: parents told Channel nine she lost fifteen to twenty pounds.
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Speaker 1: Haley Burns disappeared from her Valentine home in May of
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. This past weekend, the FBI responded to a
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Speaker 1: tip and tracked her to a home in Georgia. Michael
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Speaker 1: Wisulovsky is in jail under no bond on a number
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Speaker 1: of state charges. Now, believe it or not, this little
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Speaker 1: girl met the predator that kidnapped her, raped her, abused,
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Speaker 1: or held her captive in a Facebook chat room about
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Speaker 1: eating disorders. She didn't want to eat, she had issues
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Speaker 1: with food. She was in a chat room and meets
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Speaker 1: this guy posing as another person with an eating disorder
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Speaker 1: as a young girl. And to top it all off,
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Speaker 1: they were talking on her school chrome book on her
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Speaker 1: school computer. Listen to this Brokowski will serve ten years
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Speaker 1: on probation and also gave him credit eight months for
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Speaker 1: time served in confinement while he was in jail. A
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Speaker 1: court her testimony from Haley Burns and her parents A
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Speaker 1: second I left my home, my life as roman. The
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Speaker 1: North Carolina teen says she met him online and disappeared
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Speaker 1: from her parents home in Charlotte in twenty sixteen, she
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Speaker 1: told the court she was held captive in his Duluke
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Speaker 1: home for an entire year. He lowered my self, esteemed greatly,
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Speaker 1: and led me to believe I would never be loved
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Speaker 1: or have a proper life if I gained any fate.
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Speaker 1: Burne says Brokovski tortured her and made her do sexual
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Speaker 1: things for food. I severely mutilated myself, homing I would
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Speaker 1: become unlovable so no one would hurt me again, as
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Speaker 1: w Silowski did. I am permanently disfigured. Her father, Tony
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Speaker 1: Burns told the judge every time he would hear of
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Speaker 1: a dead body, he feared it was his Haley. You
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Speaker 1: are the boogeyman that parts teach their kids to be
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Speaker 1: scared of. Haley's mom added that Bakowski doesn't seem sorry
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Speaker 1: for his actions. You are not a minister, but you're
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Speaker 1: a pitiful man who remember that actions have consequences. Now,
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Speaker 1: after the hearing, I spoke with the prosecutor. He told
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Speaker 1: me Haley's family they're satisfied with the outcome today in court,
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Speaker 1: but they really really would have preferred to see the
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Speaker 1: defendant behind bars. You were hearing from Lauren posing at
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Speaker 1: action to News Atlanta and Alison Lato's OCTV. You know,
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Speaker 1: these offenders get a slap on the wrist and they
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Speaker 1: get right back out Crime stories with Nancy Gray Leafy
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Speaker 1: Page with me, crime online dot Com investigative journalists. I
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Speaker 1: understand that this predator, Tommy Lee Jenkins, also had let's
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Speaker 1: just say, inappropriate behavior with children all the way back
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Speaker 1: to twenty eleven. What do we know? As it was
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Speaker 1: two little boys seven and eight years old, he was
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Speaker 1: accused of groping them Nancy, and he pled guilty to
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Speaker 1: first degree sexual assault of a miner and his sentence
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Speaker 1: he played guilty to that and his sentence was stayed
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Speaker 1: and he got four years of probation, probation probation to
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Speaker 1: share if John Motts Winnebago County. So now we have
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Speaker 1: that incident where he's groping two little boys. Then we
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Speaker 1: had just month before the sting, he had two naked
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Speaker 1: children and a storage shed with a bottle of moonshine.
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Speaker 1: And now this so you know the reality is for
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Speaker 1: every time a child is caught, they have most likely
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Speaker 1: offended many, many times. How is it that this guy
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Speaker 1: kept escaping jail? Sheriff I don't get it well. Certainly,
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Speaker 1: as we had discussed earlier the incident that occurred at
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Speaker 1: the storage lockers, we were disappointed with the outcome of
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Speaker 1: the non prosecution, and at that point we sought assistance
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Speaker 1: from the US Attorney's office in the state of Wisconsin,
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Speaker 1: and that's where the Internet Crime against Children investigation then begins,
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Speaker 1: and along with their guidance, through that, we have done
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Speaker 1: a number of them. As a matter of fact, one
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one of those Internet Crimes against children cases.
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Speaker 1: But with their cooperation, with their guidance, we now have
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Speaker 1: federal charges against Tommy. You know what, you deserve so
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Speaker 1: much credit you and your team. Sheriff Matson. I hear
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Speaker 1: you what you're saying, because to Dr Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst
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Speaker 1: warnings from LA if the mom does want to prosecute,
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Speaker 1: you got a big problem now. I took cases to
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Speaker 1: trial where families moms did not want to prosecute, and
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Speaker 1: it was really hard to get a conviction. But thankfully
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Speaker 1: the jury was on the right side and the people
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Speaker 1: were convicted. I'm talking about child rapists. The mothers did
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Speaker 1: not want to prosecute. It's hard for me to understand it.
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Speaker 1: But if you listen read between the lines, doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: this guy, Tommy Lee Jenkins, was living with a woman.
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Speaker 1: She was the mother of these two little children that
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Speaker 1: were naked outside at night with a bottle of moonshine
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Speaker 1: with him without a shirt on, and it never went anywhere.
22:44
Speaker 1: It seems to me the mom did not want to prosecute. Obviously,
22:46
Speaker 1: something was really wrong with this guy. Alicia mentioned that
22:50
Speaker 1: he might have been in some type of a manic episode,
22:52
Speaker 1: which crossed my mind as well, if he walked over
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Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty miles. The reality is, Nancy. If
22:58
Speaker 1: you talk to anybody who works in child protective services
23:02
Speaker 1: wrap around services, people who go out and investigate child
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Speaker 1: abuse cases, it is very common for the mother to
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Speaker 1: protect the predator. And one of the things that people
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Speaker 1: who work in these investigative services will tell us is
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Speaker 1: that as the investigator is coming to the front door,
23:21
Speaker 1: the predator is being moved out the back door. In
23:24
Speaker 1: other words, the family protects the predator and they will
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Speaker 1: often and this is so sad. I've heard this in
23:30
Speaker 1: my practice. The predator will be moved out of the
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Speaker 1: house just as the investigator is coming to check on
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Speaker 1: the family, and then the predator is moved right back in.
23:41
Speaker 1: When that person leaves. It's as if the mother sides
23:45
Speaker 1: with the predator against the children, does not want to
23:47
Speaker 1: believe it's happening. And remember, these predators groom the entire family.
23:52
Speaker 1: They've not just groom the children, they groom the parents,
23:55
Speaker 1: the mother, the father. So it's as if these mothers
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Speaker 1: fall under the predators fell and they cannot get away either.
24:02
Speaker 1: I want to talk to a Sheriff, John Motts, Winnebago
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Speaker 1: County about a sting operation. Now, from what I understand,
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Speaker 1: this guy, who has had at least two offenses with
24:11
Speaker 1: children that we know of, has not done any jail time,
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Speaker 1: and now this this is his third that we know of.
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Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Jenkins, aged thirty two, recently moved from Oshkosh
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Speaker 1: to Whitestown, Indiana. Now we know he began exchanging instant
24:27
Speaker 1: messages I MS with a person he thought was a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl, Kylie. But it was a sting
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Speaker 1: operation set up by the Winnebago County Sheriff's office. And
24:35
Speaker 1: with me, the sheriff, John Motts, tell me about the sting.
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Speaker 1: How does it work shareff well. In the case of
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Speaker 1: Tommy Jenkins, there was Facebook messages that occurred between Tommy
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Speaker 1: and our deputy, who he thought was a fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old girl. And as those messages continued to get more
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Speaker 1: serious and there was just discussion of him, of him
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Speaker 1: wanting her to go down there, and then he made
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Speaker 1: the suggestion or said that he would come up here
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Speaker 1: if they could have sex. And it did not take
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Speaker 1: long and Tommy was on board. He is clearly a predator,
25:17
Speaker 1: and it is our duty to protect our kids, not
25:21
Speaker 1: only here in Winnebago County, but also down there. Often
25:25
Speaker 1: they will feel the heat in one particular area and
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Speaker 1: then they'll move and no one knows who he is,
25:31
Speaker 1: and now he's just another face in the crowd, and
25:34
Speaker 1: the victimization begins again. You know, the way that they
25:37
Speaker 1: take on these identities to lure children online and somehow
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Speaker 1: keep the children complicit so the children don't tell. Alicia
25:48
Speaker 1: Kaskevitch with me Kidnap assault Survivor. You can find her
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Speaker 1: and her whole story at Alicia Kozak dot com. Alicia,
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Speaker 1: how did your kid nap or first convince you he
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Speaker 1: was a girl your age? Then a boy your age
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Speaker 1: and then you end up getting kidnap. What did they say?
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Speaker 1: What did he say? Tyree to make you say you
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Speaker 1: were talking to another person your age. ChIL grooming is
26:13
Speaker 1: really effective. And this happens back in two thousand and one,
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Speaker 1: two thousand and two, and so there was no Internet
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Speaker 1: safety education, There wasn't anything for me to go on.
26:23
Speaker 1: And children are typically naive, and you want to trust people,
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Speaker 1: You want to believe people. And for me, I was
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Speaker 1: who I said I was. Why would you be somebody different.
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Speaker 1: I knew that they were evil and bad people in
26:37
Speaker 1: the world, but they were elsewhere, and I never thought
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Speaker 1: that could happen to me. But what they do is
26:42
Speaker 1: they are interested in whatever you are interested in, and
26:48
Speaker 1: they act as though they are your best friend and
26:51
Speaker 1: tell you everything that you want to hear versus what
26:55
Speaker 1: you need to hear. So they fill in those insecurities
26:58
Speaker 1: and those vulnerabilities that all children have, and that's what
27:02
Speaker 1: they're looking for. They're looking to exploit those vulnerabilities to
27:06
Speaker 1: latch onto them. And when they do that, the child
27:08
Speaker 1: latch it back and then they get pulled further and
27:11
Speaker 1: further away from their family and their teachers and people
27:13
Speaker 1: who can protect them, and the predator becomes the one
27:15
Speaker 1: person who truly understands them. Listen. Police say a convicted
27:20
Speaker 1: sex offender could face more charges after an incident last night.
27:24
Speaker 1: Right now, thirty one year old Brian Williamson is facing
27:26
Speaker 1: charges of failing to register as a sex offender and
27:29
Speaker 1: refusing to identify himself. Police say they were called to
27:32
Speaker 1: a home on North Fourth Avenue around seven last night,
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Speaker 1: saying Williamson talked with an eight year old girl over
27:38
Speaker 1: a fence. Police say Williamson had a box cutter, some cookies,
27:42
Speaker 1: and a condom in his pocket, and that he gave
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Speaker 1: them a fake name. Police say a neighbor told them
27:47
Speaker 1: he saw Williamson take pictures of the girl. Police say
27:49
Speaker 1: that girl told them that he set up a Pokemon
27:52
Speaker 1: app on her phone and has stopped by several times
27:54
Speaker 1: to say hi. Police say they are getting a search
27:56
Speaker 1: warrant for Williamson's phone and that some more charges could.
28:00
Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at fourteen news WFIE in Evansville
28:04
Speaker 1: and yet another case, a sex offender refuses to register
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Speaker 1: as a registered sex offender, then he ends up meeting
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Speaker 1: this little eight year old girl who was in a
28:14
Speaker 1: cast by the way, playing out in the backyard unsupervised,
28:18
Speaker 1: I might add, and he had approached her many many
28:21
Speaker 1: times and gotten close enough to her to put a
28:24
Speaker 1: Pokemon app on her phone. That's right. A man who
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Speaker 1: is a convicted sex offender travels all the way to
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Speaker 1: Indiana and shows up with cookies, a box cutter, and
28:36
Speaker 1: a condom in his pocket. Now he's also accused of
28:41
Speaker 1: possessing child porn and many other charges. He also on
28:47
Speaker 1: his phone googled how to rape a little girl? As
28:52
Speaker 1: it ends up a neighbor, howd to call nine one
28:54
Speaker 1: one because a neighbor sees this guy approaching the little
28:57
Speaker 1: girl sitting alone on her trampoline outside. The neighbor knew
29:01
Speaker 1: that he didn't live in the area at the time.
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Speaker 1: He was already charged with three felonies and failure to
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Speaker 1: register as a sex offender lifetime parole violation. It goes
29:11
Speaker 1: on and on. The odd thing is he looks so
29:16
Speaker 1: much like Tommy Lee Jenkins, Doctor Bethany. This guy I'm
29:19
Speaker 1: telling you about is a thirty one year old white
29:23
Speaker 1: male that travels hundreds of miles to get to his
29:27
Speaker 1: child victim. They look incredibly a lot, do you see
29:31
Speaker 1: any similarities and these child predators, Well, the similarities I
29:36
Speaker 1: see is that their whole lives are organized around their perversion.
29:42
Speaker 1: They don't have other interests, nothing else is important to them,
29:46
Speaker 1: and once they find one child victim to predate upon,
29:51
Speaker 1: they become very focused and obsessed on the victim. So,
29:55
Speaker 1: if you are a parent at listening to the show
29:58
Speaker 1: and you have an adult who is more interested in
30:01
Speaker 1: your child than you, always asking about your child, always
30:05
Speaker 1: giving gifts to your child, when you see that laser
30:09
Speaker 1: like focus, that is a huge warning sign. And these
30:13
Speaker 1: guys traveled many, many miles to get to their victims, Nancy,
30:17
Speaker 1: these predators, they offend on average for seventeen years before
30:23
Speaker 1: they come to the attention of law enforcement. Men who
30:26
Speaker 1: molest little boys have on average five hundred and forty
30:30
Speaker 1: one victims or offenses against victims throughout their lifetimes. So
30:36
Speaker 1: the commonality I see is not only the enormous amount
30:39
Speaker 1: of energy, but the fact that the offenses occurs so
30:44
Speaker 1: many times probation doesn't work. And even when they go
30:48
Speaker 1: to jail, Nancy, all they're left within jail is their fantasies.
30:51
Speaker 1: And when they get out of jail, they are even
30:54
Speaker 1: more frenzied and more primed to offend, so they need
30:58
Speaker 1: to be removed from society permanently. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
31:17
Speaker 1: I want to circle back to Sheriff John Motts, Winnebago
31:20
Speaker 1: County sheriff who conducted a sting operation and managed to
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Speaker 1: rope in Tommy Lee Jenkins, who had walked three hundred
31:29
Speaker 1: and fifty one miles walked in order to have sex
31:33
Speaker 1: relations with what he thought was a fourteen year old girl.
31:37
Speaker 1: Sheriff Motts, how do you train your men and women
31:41
Speaker 1: who performed these stings to go in and act like
31:46
Speaker 1: a pyn We are extremely fortunate to have the individuals
31:50
Speaker 1: we do working in our task force. They are extremely dedicated.
31:54
Speaker 1: They will get up at two o'clock in the morning,
31:56
Speaker 1: set an alarm, get up at two o'clock in the
31:58
Speaker 1: morning to exchange information with predators because predators think, you know,
32:03
Speaker 1: the detectives not working at two o'clock in the morning,
32:06
Speaker 1: and we are now at their beckoning call, so to speak,
32:10
Speaker 1: and all of their desires, and we want to make
32:14
Speaker 1: sure that the investigation is absolutely complete. So it is
32:17
Speaker 1: nothing but dedication and the certifications that they have gone through.
32:23
Speaker 1: They're all highly trained in that area. You know, Sheriff
32:26
Speaker 1: John mots with me these year if in Winnebago County.
32:29
Speaker 1: I'm railing about the fact that this guy wasn't already
32:31
Speaker 1: in jail on the two previous incidents. But thank God
32:34
Speaker 1: in Heaven you guys managed to do this sting and
32:37
Speaker 1: get them behind bars this time. There are so many
32:41
Speaker 1: cases to report on. I hope you're sitting down again.
32:44
Speaker 1: Take a listen to ABC four News reporter and Emerson.
32:47
Speaker 1: An eleven year old driver holds over randomly into a
32:50
Speaker 1: restaurant parking lot early Monday morning. A police cruiser is there.
32:54
Speaker 1: Within a minute, the officer gets out to investigate. The
32:57
Speaker 1: boy shakes hands with the officer. The boy police he
33:00
Speaker 1: was from Simpsonville. He said he took his brother's car
33:03
Speaker 1: and drove two hundred miles to meet a man from Snapchat.
33:07
Speaker 1: He said he was going to live with him and
33:09
Speaker 1: literally getting chills up and down my arms, Captain Dave
33:12
Speaker 1: McK Internet crimes against children's task worse. This little boy,
33:16
Speaker 1: an eleven year old child, My children, my twins are
33:19
Speaker 1: eleven years old, meets a guy on Snapchat and is
33:24
Speaker 1: groomed and coast to take the family car, get into
33:28
Speaker 1: the car in the night and drive overnight, hundreds of miles,
33:32
Speaker 1: an eleven year old child driving and by the grace
33:36
Speaker 1: of God, yeah, I said it. This had to be
33:39
Speaker 1: divine intervention. The likelihood that in the middle of the night,
33:42
Speaker 1: in the dark, this little boy driving all night, eleven
33:46
Speaker 1: years old, pulled into a restaurant where a cruiser happened
33:50
Speaker 1: to be sitting there, and he happens to see the
33:53
Speaker 1: boy and strike up a conversation. He met a grown
33:57
Speaker 1: man on snap Chat, Captain David mac and was going
34:02
Speaker 1: to quote live with him Snapchat. Yes, Unfortunately, our children
34:08
Speaker 1: are using these times of applications, in these types of
34:10
Speaker 1: websites to meet people that they don't know who they
34:13
Speaker 1: are or you know what really touched a nerve with
34:15
Speaker 1: me and listening to one of your other guests when
34:17
Speaker 1: we talked to both the grooming procedures. Oftentimes, like in
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Speaker 1: Tommy Lee Jenkins case, these children are seeking certain things,
34:24
Speaker 1: whether it's a parental figure or as in the other case,
34:28
Speaker 1: somebody that's having issues with an eating disorder. They play
34:31
Speaker 1: off of those weaknesses and they use that to groom
34:33
Speaker 1: them and get them to meet them at different places.
34:36
Speaker 1: You know, I keep thinking about Alicia. Alicia is with
34:38
Speaker 1: me right now, and I'm going to talk about you
34:40
Speaker 1: because you don't take enough credit. Alicia Kozakevitch with me,
34:43
Speaker 1: kidnap assault survivor. You can find at Alicia kozac dot com.
34:48
Speaker 1: I've heard her entire story and what she went through
34:53
Speaker 1: as a little girl. It's it's daunting and if you
34:56
Speaker 1: could see her, she's stunning, articulate, educated, She's quote turned
35:03
Speaker 1: her life around. But for every Alicia Koskevitch, there are
35:07
Speaker 1: hundreds of other children. Right now, I've got so many
35:10
Speaker 1: kidnapped children, missing children, abused children. I don't have enough
35:15
Speaker 1: hours to help find them all. Alicia was so abused,
35:22
Speaker 1: sex assaulted, beaten, was forced to wear a shot collar
35:26
Speaker 1: chained to the floor that this guy that took her
35:30
Speaker 1: sent out a video of her crying and it was
35:35
Speaker 1: so bad he sent it to another child porn pornster,
35:40
Speaker 1: and that guy, as evil as he is, called police.
35:46
Speaker 1: That's how Alicia was found. And that day her perpetrator said,
35:51
Speaker 1: you know what, I've talked to you so much, I've
35:53
Speaker 1: actually started to like you. I'm going to take you
35:55
Speaker 1: for a drive tonight. She as a child, knew she
35:58
Speaker 1: was going to die that night, and she heard lawmen,
36:03
Speaker 1: lawmen and women breaking in the door. She hid. She
36:06
Speaker 1: thought she was about to die. That is what she
36:09
Speaker 1: lived through. That is what this child lived through. Now
36:13
Speaker 1: a survivor, leave page. What is happening with Tommy Lee Jenkins.
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Speaker 1: This is his third go around trying to lure children
36:21
Speaker 1: that we know of. Please tell me he is in
36:24
Speaker 1: jail right now. You are correct. He is in jail, Nancy,
36:27
Speaker 1: and he is charged with using a computer to attempt
36:30
Speaker 1: to persuade and deuce or entice a minor to engage
36:34
Speaker 1: in unlawful sexual activity. And that comes with a mandatory
36:38
Speaker 1: minimum of ten years in prison and the potential for
36:41
Speaker 1: a life sentence. I'm happy about that, and I applaud
36:44
Speaker 1: your John Motts and his people, Captain Dave Mack fighting
36:47
Speaker 1: the good fight. But I've got to leave on this note.
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Speaker 1: For everyone that we catch, there's a thousand getting away
36:54
Speaker 1: with it right now. They could be your neighbor. They
36:58
Speaker 1: could be the college professor, your past or your Sunday
37:00
Speaker 1: school teacher. I don't know, but they are out there
37:04
Speaker 1: and they are coming for our children. But guess what,
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Speaker 1: I'm locked and loaded Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,