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Mega Edition: Jane Doe # 2 And Her Interview With Marie Villafana (10/17/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're kicking open the vault
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  Speaker 1: once again, and we're going to take a look at
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  Speaker 1: the questioning that was done of Jane Doe number two
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and the Florida investigation.
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  Speaker 1: And if you notice in the court documents we've been
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  Speaker 1: talking about, a lot has been made of Jane Doe
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  Speaker 1: number two. So let's see what she had to say
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  Speaker 1: in this interview with the investigators, including Marie Villafana. And
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  Speaker 1: to start things off, there's somebody named Agent Richards who's
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  Speaker 1: asking the questions. And of course, Jane Doe 2 is
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  Speaker 1: doing the answering. Question. Jane Doe 2. We just want
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  Speaker 1: to start off and I'll lead off first. We just
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  Speaker 1: want to get some basic information about you. Simple stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I've got your date of birth. 7-26-88. Is that correct? Answer. Yes, sir. Question.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to get like your basics, like that
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  Speaker 1: stuff first. Your current address. She gives it to him.
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  Speaker 1: your cell phone number. She gives it to them. Then
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  Speaker 1: they keep asking about the cell phone number and the
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  Speaker 1: different service providers that she has. So we're going to
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  Speaker 1: skip past that and get right down to the questions
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  Speaker 1: that are being asked. Question, where did you go to
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  Speaker 1: high school? Answer, redacted. Question, and what year did you graduate? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I dropped out on 11th. Question, what year was that
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  Speaker 1: that you dropped out? Do you remember? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: What year were you supposed to graduate your class? Answer, 2006. Question, okay. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I got my GED. Question, when did you get that? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: about three months ago. Question, and are you currently going
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  Speaker 1: to college anywhere? Answer, not right now. Question, plans. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I have a plan. Vilafana, ask the question now. Where
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  Speaker 1: are you thinking of going? Answer, I'm not positive what
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  Speaker 1: I want to do. There's a lot of things on
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  Speaker 1: my mind, but right now I'm focusing on my son.
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  Speaker 1: I have a two-year-old, so right now I'm just working.
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  Speaker 1: Agent Richards, is he a handful? Witness, yeah. Richards, I
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  Speaker 1: have one too. The Witness, yeah, so in the future,
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  Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to go to college. I'm going definitely
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  Speaker 1: going to go to school. But I have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a modeling career going on right now that's hopefully going
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  Speaker 1: to get someone to notice me. Filofana, question, where else
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  Speaker 1: are you working? Answer, I work for Advanced Cleaning Systems.
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  Speaker 1: They clean carpets. Agent Richards, Advanced, what is it? The witness,
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  Speaker 1: System Cleaning, Villafana, and where are they located? She gives
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  Speaker 1: the address. Question, are you working in an office there,
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  Speaker 1: or do you go out to people's homes? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: work in an office there. Agent Richards, obviously you know
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  Speaker 1: why we're here and what we want to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: so let me just kind of lead into, do you
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  Speaker 1: know Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, yes. Question, yes, of course you do. Now,
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  Speaker 1: when did you meet Jeff? Does he go by Jeff
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  Speaker 1: or Jeffrey or answer, Jeffrey? Question, okay, when did you
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  Speaker 1: meet him and who introduced you to Jeffrey? Answer, my
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  Speaker 1: girlfriend Carolyn introduced me to Jeffrey. And by that she
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  Speaker 1: means Carolyn Andreano, the one who ended up, unfortunately, taking
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  Speaker 1: her own life. Question, do you know her last name? Answer, no.
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  Speaker 1: She was a friend of one of my friends, so
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  Speaker 1: I really didn't know her. Miss Villafana, question, when was that? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I really couldn't tell you. I don't even remember. It's
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  Speaker 1: been so long ago. Agent Richards, so Carolyn introduced you
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  Speaker 1: to him. Was it at a party setting, or how
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  Speaker 1: did you guys meet? Answer, no, she came to me,
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  Speaker 1: and she said, would you like to make a couple dollars?
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  Speaker 1: And I said, sure. I said, doing what? She said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I know this Jeffrey and he lives in Palm Beach
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  Speaker 1: Island and I bring girls there and he likes massages.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay. So I asked her, I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: what about my age? And she said, well, just make
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  Speaker 1: sure that you tell him that you're 18. And I
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  Speaker 1: had a fake ID at the time and we went there. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And about what time period was that? Answer, what time period? Question, yes.
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  Speaker 1: As far as what year were you in school? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I was 16. Vilafana, were you a freshman or a sophomore,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember? Answer, I couldn't tell you. I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: tell you, probably a sophomore. Question, now, you said that
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  Speaker 1: Carolyn told you that he likes massages. Did she elaborate
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  Speaker 1: on what types of massages? Answer, she said sometimes he
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  Speaker 1: likes topless massages, but you don't have to do anything
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to do. He just likes massages. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and do you know whether Carolyn had given him massages? Answer, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she said she's done it before. Question, and do you
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  Speaker 1: know whether Carolyn had taken any other girls over to
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  Speaker 1: see Jeffrey? Answer, yes, she probably did. Question, did she
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  Speaker 1: tell you how much you would make? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what did she tell you? Answer, we go there and
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  Speaker 1: we make 230 minutes. Question, now you said that you
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  Speaker 1: asked her, you know, that do I need to be
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  Speaker 1: worried about my age? Why did you ask her that? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't want to be, you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: like I was underage and I was young and I
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  Speaker 1: was pretty stupid and I didn't want to get, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to get in trouble. So I always made
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  Speaker 1: sure that I had a fake ID. Anyways, saying that
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  Speaker 1: I was 18. And she just said, make sure you're
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  Speaker 1: 18 because Jeffrey doesn't want any underage girls. Agent Richards,
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  Speaker 1: now Carolyn, did she, where did you meet her at?
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  Speaker 1: In school? What setting? Answer, I was at a friend's house,
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  Speaker 1: my girlfriend's house. I don't know what girlfriend's house it was.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody was just hanging out. And she said she came
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  Speaker 1: up to me and she asked me, she said, do
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  Speaker 1: you want to make a couple of bucks? And I said, sure. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And after the first time that she took you over
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  Speaker 1: there to meet Mr. Epstein, did she ever call you
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  Speaker 1: again to set up any appointments with him or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that? Answer. No. Question. Did she ever call you
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  Speaker 1: on the phone is what I'm asking. Answer, no, I
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  Speaker 1: gave Jeffrey my number and I said, you know, anytime
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  Speaker 1: you want me to give you a massage again, I'm
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  Speaker 1: more than welcome to. Vilafana, question, so Carolyn took you
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  Speaker 1: the first time, but then after that, you communicated directly
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  Speaker 1: with Jeffrey? Answer, uh-huh. Question, tell us about the first
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  Speaker 1: time you went to his house. Who, how did you
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  Speaker 1: get there? Answer, one of Carolyn's friends, and they dropped
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  Speaker 1: us off, and then we went. You know, we got
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  Speaker 1: escorted up to the massage room and he told me everything.
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  Speaker 1: He said, listen, I like massages. And we had the
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  Speaker 1: whole massage table laid out, the lotions and everything. And
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  Speaker 1: she was in there for the first five minutes. And
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  Speaker 1: the first time I gave him a massage, she left
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  Speaker 1: the room and I gave him a massage. And she
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  Speaker 1: told me she says he likes women topless. So I
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  Speaker 1: willingly the first time took off my top when I
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  Speaker 1: gave him a massage and nothing more than that. It
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  Speaker 1: was just a back massage and a neck massage. And
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  Speaker 1: I was out of there. Question. Okay. Let me just
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  Speaker 1: ask you a couple of follow-up questions. You said that
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  Speaker 1: someone escorted you up to the room. Do you know
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  Speaker 1: who that was? Answer. One of. What's her name? Actually, Sarah.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah just said, you know, it's up there. And she
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  Speaker 1: just told me where it was. Question. And then you
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  Speaker 1: said that you and Carolyn went upstairs together. Answer. Uh-huh. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And Carolyn stayed there for the first few minutes. Answer. Uh-huh. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Was Jeffrey already in the room by the time Carolyn left? Answer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was in the room. Question. Okay. Was he there
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  Speaker 1: when you guys showed up in the room or did
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  Speaker 1: he come after you were already there? Answer. He was
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  Speaker 1: in the room already. Question. And you said you took
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  Speaker 1: your top off. Did anybody ask you to take it off?
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  Speaker 1: Did Carolyn say it's time for you to take it off? No,
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't in the room. Question. By the time you
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  Speaker 1: took it off. Okay. Answer. I said, I told Jeffrey,
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  Speaker 1: I heard you like massages topless. And he's like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He said, but you don't have to do anything that
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  Speaker 1: you don't feel comfortable with. And I said, okay. But
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  Speaker 1: I willingly took it off. Question. Okay. And during the
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  Speaker 1: first massage, you said that you gave him a shoulder
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  Speaker 1: and neck massage. Answer. Neck, back, shoulder. Yeah. Question. Was
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  Speaker 1: he face down the entire time that he got his massage? Answer. Yeah. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And what did you do during the massage? Did you
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  Speaker 1: talk or? Answer, yeah, we talked. Question, and what did
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  Speaker 1: you talk about with him? Answer, well, we were just
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  Speaker 1: getting to know each other. We talked about how my
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  Speaker 1: lifestyle was, what he did for a living, and just
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  Speaker 1: all the positive things, really nice things. Okay, what was
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  Speaker 1: he wearing when you first came into the room? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, when first, when he first came into the room,
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  Speaker 1: he was fully clothed. And then he said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: wait a second, I'm going to go on the massage
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  Speaker 1: table and put a towel over him like normal masseuses
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  Speaker 1: would do. Question, did he undress and put a towel
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  Speaker 1: around him? Answer, uh-huh. Question, okay. Answer, yeah, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: see anything. It was just back, neck, and shoulders. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and after the massage was over, you received the $ 200? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: he gives the money right away. Question, I'm sorry, was
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  Speaker 1: that before you started the massage or after the massage
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  Speaker 1: he gave you? You gave him. Answer, the first time,
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  Speaker 1: he gave me the money right away. Question, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: he's the person that paid you the $ 200? Answer, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's always Sarah. Question. Sarah gave you the money? Answer. Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: Agent Richards. Question. What's Sarah's last name? Do you know? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Mr. Eisenberg. You can't look at papers.
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  Speaker 1: If you think you know, you know. If you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: The witness. No, I don't know. I don't know Sarah's
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  Speaker 1: last name. Ms. Villafana. Okay. The only thing I'm confused
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  Speaker 1: about is you said that Sarah didn't even take you upstairs.
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  Speaker 1: She just told you where you should go? Answer. Uh-huh. Question,
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  Speaker 1: so when did she pay you the money? Answer, she
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  Speaker 1: paid me then and there when I first walked in
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  Speaker 1: the door with Carolyn. Agent Richards. Question, she paid you
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  Speaker 1: before you went upstairs? Answer, yes. villa fauna question and
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  Speaker 1: how much was carolyn paid answer everybody got 200 question
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  Speaker 1: and after so after the massage was finished you said
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  Speaker 1: that you already been paid who asked you for your
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  Speaker 1: name and telephone number answer jeffrey said well i'd like
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  Speaker 1: to see you again can i have your number from
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  Speaker 1: what i remember i'm pretty sure that he asked for
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  Speaker 1: my number and i gave him my number Question. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Agent Richards. Did he write it down upstairs? He had
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  Speaker 1: a pen handy, I hope. Answer. Uh-huh. Vilafana. Question. On
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  Speaker 1: that first massage, you said that you worked on him topless.
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  Speaker 1: But when you first started, what were you wearing? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: I was wearing a shirt, a normal shirt and jeans.
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  Speaker 1: And I started to do the massage. And I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I heard you like topless massages. And of course, he
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  Speaker 1: thought I was 18. And he's like, I do. I
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  Speaker 1: prefer that. And who wouldn't, you know? So I said, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And I took it off. Question. And you took off
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  Speaker 1: your bra as well? Answer, yes. Question, and you left
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  Speaker 1: your jeans on? Answer, yes. Question, okay, so you gave
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  Speaker 1: him a massage. Did he request you do anything special
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  Speaker 1: in the massage? Answer, no. Question, and he never turned
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  Speaker 1: over during that first massage? Answer, no. Question, so you
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  Speaker 1: said that day he gave your name and number to Jeffrey,
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  Speaker 1: when was your next contact from him or anybody that
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  Speaker 1: worked for him? Answer, the next day. He had called
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  Speaker 1: me and said he would like me to come out
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  Speaker 1: again and I'd like to see you again. I said, sure.
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  Speaker 1: I took a taxi there and I went there again.
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  Speaker 1: Question the following day, answer the next day. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
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  Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to pick up where we left
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  Speaker 1: off with the interview that Jane Doe 2 gave to
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  Speaker 1: the investigators down in Florida. All of the information that
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  Speaker 1: goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of of
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  Speaker 1: the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive
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  Speaker 1: right back in to the interview that Jane Doe 2
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  Speaker 1: gave to Marie Villafana and the investigators. Question. How did
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  Speaker 1: you get home the first time? When Carolyn took you over,
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  Speaker 1: did you get a taxi? Answer. No. Our friend came
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  Speaker 1: back and picked us up. Question. Which friend was that? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: His name was Brian. I don't know his last name.
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  Speaker 1: I really didn't know Carolyn and I didn't know her
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  Speaker 1: friends or whatever, but I met Jeffrey. And once I
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  Speaker 1: met Jeffrey, he was a very awesome guy. And I just,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I ended up giving him my number
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  Speaker 1: so I could. I didn't want Carolyn or Brian to
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  Speaker 1: drive me anymore. I would rather go to him on
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  Speaker 1: my own. Ms. Villafana. Question. When you would take the
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  Speaker 1: taxis to and from, would he pay for them? Answer. Yeah. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And he would pay when you arrived? Answer. Uh-huh. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And then he would just give you extra money when
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  Speaker 1: you left to pay for the taxi? Answer. No. I
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  Speaker 1: never asked him for extra money. So I just paid
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  Speaker 1: for my own taxi. Question, okay, so from the money
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  Speaker 1: that he paid you for the massage? Answer, $ 200, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: where were you living at the time? Answer, I was
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  Speaker 1: living at Redacted. It's located next to O'Ketchaby down to
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  Speaker 1: where I lived. Question, do you remember how much that
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  Speaker 1: taxi fare was each way? Answer, $ 20. Question, and did
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  Speaker 1: you always use the same taxi service? Or answer, no,
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  Speaker 1: I use different taxis all the time. Question. And you
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  Speaker 1: would just call and have them come to your house? Answer. Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: I used a whole bunch of different taxis, whatever's available. Question.
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  Speaker 1: So you mentioned that the second massage, was it any
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  Speaker 1: different from the first one? Answer. Yes. Question. How is
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  Speaker 1: it different? Answer. When I went there, I went by
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  Speaker 1: myself and I went up to the massage room and
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey was just like regular, like he was before on
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  Speaker 1: his stomach. And he had a towel over and we
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  Speaker 1: started the massage and I had my top off willingly.
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  Speaker 1: And after the massage, he asked me the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: He says, are you comfortable with me doing this? And
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  Speaker 1: I said, yes. And he turned around. And this was
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  Speaker 1: like at the end of the massage, our 30 minute massage.
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  Speaker 1: Usually it was even shorter than that. And he masturbated
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the massage. And it was like
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  Speaker 1: two seconds. And I was just topless. Question. And when
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  Speaker 1: he turned over, did he touch you at all? Or
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  Speaker 1: was he just, she cuts him off? No, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: want me to touch him. And he didn't touch me
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  Speaker 1: at all. Question, did he ever ask you to rub
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  Speaker 1: his chest or rub his nipples during the massage? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: actually later on, because I saw him for a long
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  Speaker 1: time later on, I asked him, you know, and I
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  Speaker 1: asked him, I would give him, you know, I would
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  Speaker 1: rub his chest or whatever and massage him while he
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  Speaker 1: was masturbating, yeah. Question, so eventually you would continue the
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  Speaker 1: massage and he would masturbate at the same time? Answer, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but it wasn't on his lower area. Question, no, you
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  Speaker 1: never touched his penis? Answer, right. Question, Okay, so that
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  Speaker 1: was during the second massage. You were paid $ 200 again? Answer, always. Question, always.
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  Speaker 1: Every time you went there? Answer, always. Now Agent Richards interjects. Question,
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  Speaker 1: was it always Sarah that paid you? Answer, sometimes Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: would and sometimes Sarah would. Villafana jumps back in. Was
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  Speaker 1: it usually before or after the massage? Answer, after the
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  Speaker 1: first time it was always after. I would go downstairs
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  Speaker 1: and I'd get paid. Question, so just sort of tell
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  Speaker 1: us when a massage ended, which I assume was after
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  Speaker 1: he ejaculated? Answer, it wasn't all the time that he
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  Speaker 1: did though. Question, okay. Answer, it wasn't like every time
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  Speaker 1: I went there, he released. Sometimes he just wanted his
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  Speaker 1: feet massaged. Sometimes he just wanted a back massage. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but when the massage was over, however it ended, you
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  Speaker 1: would just get dressed and go downstairs by yourself? Or
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  Speaker 1: did he take you downstairs? Answer, yeah, the chef would
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  Speaker 1: make us food and it'd be great. And Jeffrey would
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  Speaker 1: get dressed and he'd come with us sometimes or, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't. We had fun. It was all positive. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: How many massages do you think that you gave Jeffrey? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I gave Jeffrey a lot of massages. I can tell you.
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell you. I saw him for a good year. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how many times would you see him weekly or more
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  Speaker 1: than once? Answer, yeah. Question, more than once a week? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I personally would or I'd bring girls. Question, okay, but
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  Speaker 1: either you would or either a girl that you brought. Answer, yeah. Question, okay. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: but after a while, it wasn't me anymore. I had
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  Speaker 1: brought girls, but I got paid $ 200 to bring girls. Answer, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so let's talk about when you were performing the massages.
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  Speaker 1: What other sorts of things would happen? You said that
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  Speaker 1: sometimes he would just like his feet massaged. What else
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  Speaker 1: would happen during those sessions? Answer, nothing. Everything I told you. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so sometimes a back massage? Answer, sometimes he liked back massages.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes he liked feet massages. Sometimes he liked his head massaged.
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  Speaker 1: He liked his head massaged a lot. Sometimes leg massages, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it wasn't every time that we went there that
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: he masturbated. Question, okay, any idea half and half or
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: less than half the time that he masturbated? Answer, less
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: the time he masturbated. Question, did you always perform topless?
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Did you ever get completely naked towards the end or
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: in the middle? or remove all your clothing? Answer, I
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: would wear panties. Willingly one time, because we were making
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: jokes and everything, and willingly one time, I had yes,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I was totally nude, but I was fine with it. Question, okay. Answer,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: totally fine with it. Question, how did that massage go? Answer,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: actually it was a foot massage, and he was sitting
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: on the couch. We didn't even have the massage table out,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: and I gave him a foot rub, and I was nude. Question,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: and how much were you paid for that? Answer, $ 200
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: every single time. Question. Did he at any point kiss you?
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Touch you? Show any kind of affection towards you? Answer. Never. Never. Question. Okay.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Then Agent Richards interjects. Question. Why not? Answer. Why not?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Why would he? Question. You seem like a nice young lady. Attractive.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: He never had any urges to... Answer. I asked him.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I said. When are you going to get married? When
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: are you going to get married, Jeffrey? He said. I'm
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: never getting married. He has, you know, beautiful women all
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: the time. Why would he? Bill of Fauna. She jumps
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: in now. Question, he never pulled you closer to him
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: in a sexual way? Answer, I wish. No, no, no, never, ever.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey is an awesome man, no. Question, okay, now you
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: said that at some point you started bringing other girls over. Answer, uh-huh. Question,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: how did that start? Answer, he likes to see different faces. Question,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: so he asked you if you had friends that you
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: could bring over or other girls? Answer, uh-huh. Question, and
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: how did you decide who you would ask to come over? Answer,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: all of my good-looking girlfriends, and if they had friends.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: It's all about, you know, we were just making money,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: and Jeffrey's an awesome guy. We just, you know, I
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: could tell my girlfriends, just like Carolyn approached me, make
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: sure you tell them you're 18. Well, these girls that
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I brought, I know they were 18 or 19 or 20,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and the girls that I didn't know, I don't know
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: if they were lying or not. I would say make
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: sure that you tell them you're 18. Question, okay, what
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: exactly would you tell them about what would happen after
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: you first got to the house? Answer, I said he
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: likes massages, but he prefers topless massages. But if you're
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: not comfortable, then don't do it, and it won't matter. Question,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: did any of them tell you what happened after that? Answer, always, always,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I even asked them. Question, okay, and with the other girls,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: was it the same girl that you did or different? Answer, yeah, yeah,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, I was more willing to do more.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: You know, like I said, I went nude for him
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: one time, but the other girls, they were practically topless
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and that's all they were willing to do. Some girls
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: didn't want to go topless and Jeffrey didn't mind. Question,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: were there girls that you brought back multiple times? Answer,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a couple, a couple, but he really liked to see
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: different faces. Question, okay. I'm just wondering, are there some
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: girls he really liked and others he didn't like or
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: did he have any preferences in terms of blondes brunettes
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: answer he liked girls like me question okay thin and
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: attractive answer yeah i guess very attractive women and he
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: didn't say girls he said women all the time did
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: you ever bring anybody he didn't care for answer uh-huh Question, yeah. Answer, yeah. Question,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: how was she different than the others? Answer, black. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: screwed up. And just so you know, to interject here,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Epstein and Maxwell were super racist. Absolute racist pieces of shit.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: And the things they said about people were just vile.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Absolutely vile. Question, how did you know you screwed up? Answer,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: he doesn't like black women, obviously. Question, so he let
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you know he told you that? Answer, yeah. But he
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: was still nice and he still gave her $ 200 even
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: though he didn't have a massage buyer. Question. Had he
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: paid you $ 200 for bringing each girl? Answer. Uh-huh. Question.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: And when he told you that, I mean, that's what
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: he told you? That he would pay you $ 200 for
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: bringing the girls? Answer. Yeah. He said, if you bring me,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: if you bring me girls, I'll definitely, you know, give
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you money, compensate you for your time and willing to
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: do that for me. Yeah. Question. And you said at
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: that point you stopped performing massages for him? Answer, at
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that point I didn't. It would be sporadically like usually.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I had so many girlfriends at the time. You know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: there were so many new faces that he saw. And
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: if one was available, then redacted would go. Question, I gotcha. Question,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: do you know some of the girls that you brought?
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Some of their names? Answer, I don't remember really. They
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: were not even my friends. They were just associates, you know.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: If anything, they'd be friends of friends, so no. Question,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: we have, I don't know. We have some messages, I guess,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that some girls' names... That will call Jeffrey and leave
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a message. There are some girls' names that are referenced.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: We were just wondering if you knew them. Answer. If
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you name them, I can probably remember. Miss Villafana, Jason,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: do you have that? Richards. Question. Redacted is one. Answer.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know Redacted. Do you know her last name? Villafana.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: We were hoping you did. The Witness. No, I don't.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Agent Richards. Question. Redacted. Answer. Redacted. No, that sounds like
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a black girl's name. Question, well, you brought a black girl.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Was that her name? Answer, I don't know. Don't ask me. Question, redacted. Answer, redacted, redacted. Yeah,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I brought redacted. Question, who is she? Tell us about redacted. Answer, redacted. Well,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: we just look alike. If that's a girl I'm thinking about.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: We went to school together and I brought her one
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: time and then she ended up moving so she couldn't
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: come with me. Question, were you guys in the same grade?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Or answer, no, she was older than me. Question, a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: year or two. Answer. She was actually, she was like 18.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She was older. She was like, you know,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: two ranks, two grades ahead of me. Question. So when
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you were a sophomore, she was a senior. Answer. I
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: just met her in school and I told her. Villafana. Question.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: What was her name? Answer. I don't know. Agent Richards. Question.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Do you know where she lived? Answer. I just met
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: her at school and I told her about it. Question.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: You told her about it at school. Is that where
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: your discussion was? Answer. Well, I said, give me your number.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I said, we can make a couple of dollars. It's
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: real easy. And if you're comfortable with it, give me
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: a call. Question. Was that at school or at a party? Answer. No,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: at school. Question. At school. You're not sure her last
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: name and what it was? Answer. I have no idea. Question.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Do you know where she lives or anything like that?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: What kind of car she drove? Answer. No. Question. What
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: did she look like? Answer. No. What'd she look like? Question. Yeah. Answer.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Like me. Everything. Blonde hair. Blue eyes. Question. We're talking
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: about redacted. You were at redacted high school at the time. Answer. No,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I was at redacted. Question. Redacted. Okay. Answer. And that's
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: where redacted went to school. Question. What about a girl
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: named redacted? Answer. Who? Agent Richards. Question. Did you bring
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a redacted? Answer. I brought a couple of redacteds. Question.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I want to know about everyone you brought. Well, one
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: of them died recently, so... Question, what was her name?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: In a car accident or something? Answer, no, she died unfortunately.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: She got shot in the head. You guys probably heard
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: it on the news. She got shot in the head
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: by this guy. I don't even want to talk about
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: it because I'll cry. Ms. Villafana. Question, let's talk about
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the other redacted. Answer, I don't even know. I don't know.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. There were some girls that I just
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: would take one time, and then I would never talk
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to again, so I don't know. Question... How many girls
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: do you think you brought to Jeffrey's house? Answer. That's
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: a good question. I bring a lot. Like maybe, I
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe 30, maybe 30. It was all about
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the money to me at that time. All right, folks,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: we're going to pick up where we left off. With
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Jane Doe too. In her interview with Marie Villafana. Question.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Now any of the girls that you brought. Did any
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of them leave their names and numbers. And then they
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: would get appointments directly from Jeffrey. Or did they always
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: go through you. Answer. They went through me hopefully. Question.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: So you don't know. Agent Richards jumps in. Question. You
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: weren't getting paid right. Answer. I told them. I said.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I don't give them your number. Miss Villafana. If you
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: brought the same girl more than once. Would you get
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: paid each time you brought them or just get the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: initial $ 200? Answer. Every single time I brought a girl. Okay.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Or I referred a girl. I always got $ 200. Always. Question.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Even if she came a second time? Answer. Yes. You
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: would get $ 200 every time she came? Answer. Yes. Question.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Good deal. Okay. What about redacted? Answer. Redacted who? Question.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Any redacted that you brought to Mr. Epstein's house? Answer,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I brought a redacted. Question, redacted, where did she go
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to school? Answer, she didn't go to school. Question, okay,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: how did you know redacted? Question, redacted been my, she's
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: my friend in the past. How did I meet redacted?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: At a party. Or she was my, actually, she was
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: my baby father's girlfriend at the time and I met
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: her at a party. Question, you asked her if she'd
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: be willing to go to Jeffrey's house. Answer, uh-huh. Question,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and when? Do you remember when that would have been? Answer,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: actually a couple of weeks. A couple of weeks. I
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: do remember her a couple of weeks after I met him. Question,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: so you brought her pretty soon after you met Jeffrey? Answer, uh-huh. Question,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and how old was Redacted? Answer, 17. Question, and what
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: happened when you brought Redacted? Answer, the same thing. Question, okay. Well,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I know that sometimes you said that the girls would
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: tell you what happened. Answer, she went in there. She
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: had a massage. She gave a massage on his back.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: She went a couple of times. He liked her. She
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: went a couple of times. The first time, she told
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: me that he didn't. It was just like me the
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: first time. He didn't climax at all. Nothing happened. It
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: was just a massage. And then she went, I think,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: like two times after that. And yeah, he masturbated. But
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: no touching. She didn't. There's no touching of him. No
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: touching of her. None of my girls ever had a
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: problem and they'd call me. They'd beg me, you know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: for us to go to Jeffrey's house because they love Jeffrey.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey's a respectful man. He really is. I mean, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: he all thought we were of age always. This is
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: what's so sad about it. Question. How would you make
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: appointments for girls to go over there? Answer. I'd call
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: them and they'd say, hi, do you want to go
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to Jeffrey's house? And they'd say yes or no. And
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: we'd call a taxi. Question, how would you know when
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey was going to be in town? Answer, when Jeffrey
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: was in town, Sarah would call me. Question, did she
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: always call when they were already in town? Or would
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: she call, how far in advance would she call you? Answer,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: they only call me when they were in Palm Beach.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: They never called me from anywhere. They've never called me
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: from anywhere else. It's always when I was in Palm Beach.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: They'd say, hi, we're down here. If you want to
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: come and see Jeffrey, you're more than welcome to. Question.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: So you wouldn't have like a specific time when you
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: would go over, like be here at 11 or be
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: here at two answer. Well, I tell them, I'd say, well,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd have to work around his schedule. He'd
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: have to work around mine. Yeah. We'd say I'll be
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: there at three. I'll be there at four or whatever. Question.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Do you, I know that you said you talked to
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Sarah on the phone. Was there anybody else that you
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: would talk to on the phone? Answer. If Jeffrey wasn't there,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: like if I call him to see how he was
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: doing or whatever, you know, He had his chef would
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: answer the phone. His maid would answer the phone. Question,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: but was Sarah the only one you talked to about
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: making appointments? Answer, uh-huh, yeah. Well, yeah. If Jeffrey wasn't available, they'd,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you know, he said the chef or, you know, whoever
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: said Jeffrey will be back to, you know, yeah, Sarah
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: made the appointments. Question, so when you're calling to talk
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: to Jeffrey, you were calling the house phone over in
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach? Answer, uh-huh, yeah. Question, and how often would
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you talk to Jeffrey on the phone as opposed to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: talking to one of his assistants? Answer, me and Jeffrey
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: hardly ever talked on the phone. He was always busy.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: It was mostly Sarah. We'd talk when I would get there,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you know, so it was like, hey, do you want
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to come in? Yes, cool, you know, come there. No cool, bye. Question,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: do you know someone who works for Jeffrey named Nadia? Answer,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I think I met her one time. Question, and what
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: do you know about her? Answer, she was there. And
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the person Nadia, I think. I'm not positive, okay? I'm
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: pretty sure she said that she's from New York and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: she travels with Jeffrey. But I think I met her
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: one time. If that's the girl that rings the bell,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you know, in my head. Nadia, I think, is that
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: one person that I met one time. Question. Now, you
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: said that you had teased Jeffrey Epstein about whether he
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: was getting married. Did you ever know him to have
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a girlfriend or a steady girl? Answer. No. He told
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: me he's never been married, he's never had a girlfriend,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to have a girlfriend. Question, were
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: you ever asked to bring a girl for someone else,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: like to give Jeffrey a massage, but for somebody else
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: to anyone other than Jeffrey? Answer, no, I gave Sarah
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: a massage before. Question, and how often did that happen? Answer,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I only gave Sarah a massage like once or twice.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Not that often. Question, but anybody else, either any friends
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that were in town or... They're cut off by Jane
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Doe too. No, see, my mother is a masseuse and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I have experienced massaging and he always liked my massages.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: So he told Sarah about my massages and she said, yeah,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I want a massage. So I'd go over there. I
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: think it was one or two times and I'd give
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: her a massage. Question. Now, when the girls were upstairs
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: with Jeffrey in the bedroom, what would you do? Answer.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: The chef would make me carve tomatoes, put some crab
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: meat in it, and I'd just eat wine and dine.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: It was wonderful. Great. Question, and when you would talk
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: to the chef? Answer, yeah. Question, would anybody else from
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the house be there? Answer, yes. I don't know their names.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. There were like all these foreign girls
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: from like, they're very beautiful, beautiful models that are from different,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: they have accents. And no, but it was real interesting
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: because we talk and you know, I'd learn a lot
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: from them and they learn a lot from me just
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: being American. And no, every time I went there, it
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: was a good time. And I usually just ate or
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I'd go and suntan or something near the pool. And
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: how long would other girls be upstairs normally? Answer, 25, 20,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: 30 minutes. Agent Richards, question, back to redacted. Is there
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: anything else about her that you can remember? You were
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: friends with her. She went three times, you think. Did
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: she go back without going through you or set up
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: appointments that you know about? Answer, I don't know. Question, okay,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: were there any other redacteds that you brought? I know
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you brought other redacteds or multiple redacteds. Answer, yeah, I
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: don't know. If you would say like a last name,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: then I would probably remember, but I don't. Question, any redacted?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Did you bring redacted? Answer, redacted? Yeah, that sounds familiar. Yeah, yeah. Question, redacted? Answer, uh-huh. Question,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: what can you tell me about her? How old was she? Answer,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: she's older than me. Question. Do you know her from school? Answer. No.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Where did I meet her? I met her in my
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: neighborhood and I asked her if she wanted to go.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: And yeah, she was only there one time though. Question.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Did she tell you how it went with him upstairs? Answer. Yeah. Question.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: What did she say? Answer. She said she's like, uh,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question. She freaked out or something? Answer. No, no,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: but I didn't want her again. He likes tall, slender,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: and she was like short. Question. What did she say
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: about him? Answer. She had fun. Question. She had fun. Answer. Uh-huh. Question.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: What did she say happened up there? Answer. She was
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: topless and just gave him a massage. He didn't, you know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: climax or anything. Vilafana jumps in. Question. Did you ever
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: either when you gave him a massage or any of
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the girls, did you ever use a big back massager
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: or was it only a manual massage? Answer. No, it
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: was only my hands. We never used anything else. Question. Now,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: when you were working for him, when you were going
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: over Jeffrey's house to give massages, did you have a boyfriend? Answer, yeah. Question, okay.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: How did he feel about you going to Jeffrey's house? Answer,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: he was jealous. A jealous little boy, but he didn't care.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Bring home the bacon. Question, what's your boyfriend's name? Answer, redacted. Question,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: now I know that you mentioned that you had a baby.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Is that the baby's father? Answer, no, thank God. Question,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: who's the baby's father? Answer, redacted. Question, okay, and were
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: you still going to Jeffrey's house when you were pregnant? Answer,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I would bring girls there when I was pregnant. Question,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: so did Redacted have concerns about what you were doing
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: over at Jeffrey's house? Answer, no, he talked to Jeffrey
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: over the phone. Jeffrey actually threw me my baby shower
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: and he got me furniture and a nice rattle for
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: my son and just really nice things. I love mommy frames. Question,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: was the shower at his house? And did he attend? Answer, no, no,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: at my house, at my house. And no, Jeffrey wasn't there.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: He just sent Sarah to bring me gifts for the baby. Question, oh, okay. Question,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: did redacted ever go over there with you? Answer, no. Question,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: he stayed away. Answer, no, he didn't go, no. Vilafana, question,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: did Jeffrey ask about your boyfriend? I mean, was he
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: curious about? Answer, yeah, we always talked about everything. Yeah,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: do you have a boyfriend? Yeah, no, you know, we
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: talk like friends. I don't know. Just about our life stories.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: You know, he probably knows my whole life story. Agent Richards. Question. Now,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: do you still have contact with him? Or answer who? Question. Jeffrey. Answer. No, no.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: No one's allowing me. Villafana. Question. Did he know that
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: you wanted to be a model or that you were
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: aspiring to be one? Answer. Yeah, I told him. Yes,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I've always wanted to be a model. Yes. Question. Did
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: he ever offer to help you? Answer, uh-huh, yeah. And
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, like I said, I was 16 at
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the time and I felt like he said, you know,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: you can, I will definitely take you and bring you
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: to New York and everything because he had models there.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: But I was always turned down because I was 16
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: and I didn't want that to get out. Question, what
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: did you say to him? How did you put him off? Answer,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, well, I don't know. He wasn't
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like begging me or anything. He asked me a couple
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of times and I said, I just, there was like
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: no say about it. I just didn't go. And it
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: wasn't like he asked me all the time. He just,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: it's a couple of times he asked. He said, I'll
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: bring you to New York or whatever we do. And
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: we can, you know, try to fulfill your dreams. But
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I always said no because I was young and I
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: didn't want to screw up the 18 thing. Question. When
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: you got pregnant, did he react in any way? I mean,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: did he tell you if you want to be a model,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: you know, this is going to mess you up your
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: chances as a model or offer any. The questions interrupted
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: by Jane Doe answer. No. Question, I'm wondering like how
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: much he was giving you advice. How much stuff were
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: you really? What did you talk about? Answer, after the baby,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: we didn't even really talk. I was totally changed. You know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I had a bad little girl and I totally changed.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: My whole life changed. A couple of times after I
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: had the baby, I brought a couple girls there. It
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: was like two times and then me and Jeffrey really
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: stopped talking. We just stopped talking. I had my own
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: life and he had his. So I don't know. Agent Richards. Question,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: did he ever make any arrangements knowing that you wanted
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: to be a model or were modeling? He has a
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: lot of connections with photographers and stuff. I mean, did
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: he ever set up any photo shoots or anything like that? Answer, no,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: because he asked me if I would like to go
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: pursue what I wanted to do, but like I said,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: for the second time. Question, I mean in town here,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: not to travel to New York for a shoot or anything. Answer, no,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: because I always like stood back from that because I
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: didn't want him to know that I was 16. Villafauna, question.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Did you ever get money from Jeffrey when you didn't
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: give him a massage or bring girls over? Answer. Yeah. Question. Okay.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: When did that happen? Answer. I had to pay a
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: rent and I was late on my rent. This was
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: before the baby. And I asked him, I asked him
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: for like 300. He gave me 500. I don't, I
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: couldn't tell you how I got it. If anything, I
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: think I went to the house and got it. Question.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Was he there when you got the money? Answer. No. Question. No.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Do you know, was he in town or did you
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: call him? Answer. I don't even, I can't remember, but
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I just remember he did give me 500 for rent. Question.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Was that the only time that he gave you money
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: that wasn't connected either to a massage or to bringing
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: a girl? Answer. He bought gifts for the baby shower.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I can't remember now. Not off the top of my head. No,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I never asked him for anything because I just felt
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not like that. You know, I'm not a user
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm not, I don't like that. I've never asked
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: him for money. Question, what about presents? Either birthday presents,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: you mentioned gifts for the baby, any other gifts that
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: he gave you? Answer, yeah, he gave me. He had
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: went to Brazil and he came back with a whole
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: bunch of bikinis and told me to choose one, so
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I chose one. Question, any other gifts, Christmas time or
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: birthdays or anything like that? Answer, no. Question? Did he
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: give any of your friends that you brought gifts? Answer, yeah,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the girl who died. Redacted, he gave her a bathing
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: suit from Brazil. All right, folks, we're going to wrap
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: up right here. And in the next episode, we're going
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off. All of the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: right back to the interview given by Jane Doe number
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: two to Marie Villafana. Question by Agent Richards. Just to
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: see if you recognize these, or if you ever used
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: any of these numbers, that might have been old telephone
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: numbers for you at some point. I don't know how
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: many cell phones you may have had through the years.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: See if you recognize any of those. Answer, redacted was
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: my number. Ms. Villafana, question, what was redacted's number? Answer, redacted? Question, yeah. Answer, what,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: my baby's father? Question, yeah. Answer, oh, I never knew his.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I always just, you know, called him, and I never
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: knew his number. Agent Richards, question. it was programmed in
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: your phone answer yeah so I don't know I just
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: know redacted because that was my old number like a
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: long time ago miss Villafana question at the time you
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: were bringing girls over to the house you were also
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: working a regular job answer I worked at city pizza
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: for a little while But no, kind of retired and splurged. Question. Question. Question. Oh,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I had asked one of my friends. I said, do
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you have any? It was a guy friend. I said,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: do you have any girls that are willing to give massages?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: And I met up with her. I called her. I
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: talked to her on the phone. I met up with
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: her and she said, yeah, cool. Question, you said you
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: took her over there a couple of times? Answer, yeah.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: She went over there more. She went over there more
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: than a couple of times. Question, but you brought her
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: every time that she went over there? Answer, that I
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: know of. That I know of, yeah. Question. Okay. Did
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: you ever tell any of the girls that they would
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: be going over to model lingerie? Answer. No. I told
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: them that we were going to Jeffrey's house and it's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: going to be a topless massage pretty much. Anything you
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: don't want to do, you don't have to do. And
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: it's $ 200. Bada bing. Bada boom. You make 230 minutes. Question.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Did any of the girls complain about what happened after
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: they left there? Answer. No. You asked me that question. No.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Everybody loved Jeffrey. Question. No one called you and said,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I think that you should call. I think you should
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: call the police. Answer. No. Question. No one ever told
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: you that. Answer. No, no. Oh my God. And who
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: is that coming from? Question. Well, we just have phone
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: calls that seem to contradict what you're telling us. Answer. Oh,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: so you think that people came to me and said
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: that I'm going to call the police on Jeffrey? Agent Richards. Question.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Was there anyone that thought that what Mr. Epstein was
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: doing was inappropriate and was concerned? Answer. Every girl that
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I brought to Jeffrey. They said they were fine with it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: And like, for instance, redacted, a lot of girls begged
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: me to bring them back. They wanted to come back
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: for the money. And as far as I know, we
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: all had fun there. We ate all the food. He
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: gave us free bikinis. Know nothing about any cops. Question,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, was there anyone there that thought what he
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: was doing may have been a little bit wrong? Not
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: wanting to report to the police, but just saying, you know,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: that's kind of weird. Answer, we talked about it like
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: because we were underage, but he thought that we were 18.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: We were like, hopefully that no one finds out. Hopefully
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey doesn't find out. But other than that, no one's
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: calling the cops. Vilafana, was anybody upset that he was masturbating?
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I know that you said you told them that they
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: would only possibly be doing the massage topless. They might
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: have expected that. Was somebody shocked? Answer, yeah, of course.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, he always told them, okay? And I told
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: them too. I said, if you're going to go there,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: then you don't have to do anything that you're not
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: comfortable with. A couple girls, when they did come out
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: of there, they're like, oh my God, I wasn't expecting
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: all of that. But he always asked them and I
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: asked them. They'd say that, you know, he asked me,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: are you comfortable with this? And they'd say yes. Maybe
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: they were scared, who knows? But yeah, they came out
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: there like, oh my God, that was kind of weird.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah. Question, were any of them upset about it? Answer,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: do they like regret it or something? Agent Richards. Question,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: just shaken up, you know, just kind of shocked. Answer,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: a couple of girls. Well, see, we were so young
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: and Jeffrey didn't know that. Like the whole thing was
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: shooken up when I brought them there. And see, I
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: don't know. I thought that they were, you know, most
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: of the girls that I did bring there, they were 18, 19, 20.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: But I remember there was a couple of times I
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: had brought like maybe 16 year olds or something my age.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: And they, I don't know, it's like they were scared
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: to say that they were 18. They were like, if
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: he finds out, and they were a little shook up
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: about it and the age thing. But afterwards, like if
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: he climaxed or whatever, if they were like shooken up,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's okay, you know. And they were like,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting that. But they told Jeffrey that, you know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: they were comfortable with it. If anything, you know, maybe
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: they were scared and they felt like obligated, like they
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: didn't want to say. I was thinking that they didn't
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: want to say like, no, you know, I don't want
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: to do that. So who knows? I wasn't up there
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: with them. So I couldn't tell you. Question, who are
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the ladies who mentioned to you that they were kind
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: of shocked? Answer, usually the girls that I would bring.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Like one time, I wouldn't even see them again. Question,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: can you help me out with some names though? Answer, uh, no,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I can't remember her name. She's on the top of my,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't remember, I can't remember. Miss Villafana, question.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: None of the girls wanted to go to the authorities?
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Nobody was that upset that called you or spoke to
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: you that was upset with what happened to the point
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: that they were willing to report it? Answer, no. If anything,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: thank you. Redacted, so much because I really could use
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the money. Agent Richards, question. Do you know the names
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: of some of the girls that you brought? Answer, huh? Question,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: do you know the names of some of the girls
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: that you brought other than the ones that we've talked
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: about right now? Answer, like I said, I can't remember
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: because usually, cut off by another question, there's about 30
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: of them. So you've got to know. Answer, no, I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: don't know. I just asked them. I said, hey, would
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: you like to make some money? Here's my number. Do
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you want to make money? Here's my number. You know,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and that's how it went. So I don't remember the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: names and I really didn't care to know their names anyway. Question,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: do you know their phone numbers? Answer, now. Question, yeah. Answer, no. Question,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: do you know any of their phone numbers? Answer, no. No,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: that was years ago. Question, we're just trying to find
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: any other ladies out there that we haven't already seen,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and you brought 30 of them, and we're just trying to. Answer, oh,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I brought 30 of them. Question, approximate. Answer, yeah. No,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I have no clue, no idea. Ms. Villafana. Question, did
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you stay in touch with any of the girls that
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you brought? Answer, uh-huh. Question redacted. Any of the girls
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: that we've talked about? Did you ever, when you were
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: either bringing girls or when you were given massages, did
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: you ever drink anything or take drugs, whether it was
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: a prescription drugs? Answer. I heard this on the news. No,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. Answer. You were never given drugs. Answer. Never. Question.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Did any of the girls take drugs? Did you know
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: that they were taking drugs? Answer. There was no alcohol.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: There was no drugs. No. Question. None of the girls
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that you brought were using drugs. Answer. No. Question, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: just so you know, redacted, we're not talking about necessarily
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: crack cocaine. We're wondering if anybody was taking any prescription medication. Answer,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they were taking prescription medication. That's
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: their problem. I don't know. Question, and you didn't give
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: anybody else any prescription drugs? Answer, no. When I was 16,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I smoked pot, but no. Mr. Eisenberg jumps in here. Okay, gang,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: back on the record. And I assume you mean prescription medication.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Not prescription purposes. The witness. I thought you meant like
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: for prescription prescribed. No, I don't know. Agent Richards. Okay. Villafana. Question.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: But you weren't talking or taking any antidepressants or any
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: pills or anything? Answer. No, I just smoke pot. But
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I mostly went there sober. I was comfortable with Jeffrey.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey always made me feel so comfortable. I thought I
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: was a big girl. I was 18. Question. You said
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: that you stopped. Why did you stop going over there?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: You said that you had a baby and you changed. Answer, yeah. Question,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: what happened? Answer, everything changed in my life. Everything I
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: ended up getting, a job, and I just stopped. I
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: just stopped. I don't know. Question, but if you felt comfortable,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: why did you stop going over there? Answer, I just
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: stopped because I have a son now and I didn't
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: feel like it was right. First off, I was a
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: stay-at-home mommy, okay? And what am I going to do?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Bring my son over to Jeffrey's? No, you know. So
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I focused on my son. I had a beautiful baby boy.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: That was my pride and joy. I didn't care for
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: anything else. I didn't care to tell friends. I dropped
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: all my friends. Like, he asked me, do I have
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: any numbers? No, you know, if anybody does call me,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: that's my mother. Like, it was just me and my
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: baby boy, and it's been like that ever since. Agent Richards, question.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Having a baby is a life-changing experience, isn't it? Answer,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: having a baby? Question, yes, it's full-time. Answer, awesome, I
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: love it. Question, yeah, he'll be two in August. Answer,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: mine'll be two in June. Bill Afana? Is that when
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: you started working with the company you're working with now? Answer. Well,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I was there the whole time I was pregnant. I
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: was taken care of by my baby's father. Then I
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: was a stay at home mommy for eight months. After that,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I worked at LA Fitness, Romeo Pizza. It's been a
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: year now. And what do you mean? Is that why
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I'm working? Question. No, I just didn't know where you
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: were working. I thought you said you had gotten a
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: job afterwards after the baby was born. Answer, yeah, I
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: worked at the laundromat for a couple of days. I
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: just like to, I wanted to soak in my son.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: That's all I did, and I was like a hermit
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: crab in the house, you know, and if anybody I told,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I told Sarah. I said, you know, I have a
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: baby now, and you know, I'd rather stay home with
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: my baby. My old man was taking care of me.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't care about money. Everything was good. So, a
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: new life. Agent Richards, question, speaking of work, when you
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: set up appointments with Sarah and Did she refer to
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: what the girls were doing as work? Like, would they
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: go over to Jeffrey's to work for massage or answer? No. Question,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: how did she? Were any terms used or just general?
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Did she ask you if you had any girls that
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: can work? Or did you have any girls that can
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: come over? Do you have any girls that can give
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey advice? massage? How did she ask for these appointments?
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Answer all of the above. Do you have any girls
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: that would like to come over? Do you have any
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: girls that would like to work? Yeah, all the above, really.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, me and Sarah. We're really... It's like a
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: friend relationship. She's fun. No, it wasn't like specific. Like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, do you want to come over and work? No,
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  Speaker 1: it was all different. Message, work, whatever. Question. Okay. Vilafana,
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  Speaker 1: you said that you and Sarah developed a friendly relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Did Sarah ever tell you what types of girls Jeffrey wanted?
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  Speaker 1: Or I think you said that sometimes she would say
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  Speaker 1: he likes this girl or I'm sorry, he likes that girl. Answer. Yeah. Question.
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  Speaker 1: What exactly, what guidance did you give about recruiting the girls? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't give me any guidance. Jeffrey, from the get-go,
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  Speaker 1: I really like women like you. So when I would
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  Speaker 1: go searching to make money or whatever or my girlfriends,
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  Speaker 1: I know what an attractive person looks like and I
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  Speaker 1: would bring them, you know. I didn't bring any overweight people.
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  Speaker 1: I just knew that what Jeffrey liked, you know. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you ever talk to Sarah when you were given massages? Answer, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know if she knew or not. Question, I
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  Speaker 1: have a picture of someone. I'm just wondering if you
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  Speaker 1: recognize this person. Answer, no. Was she a girl that
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  Speaker 1: was over there? Answer, just a face that we wanted to. Answer, okay, no,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. Richard's question, when you would ask the ladies
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  Speaker 1: if they'd like to go over to Jeffrey's. What was
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  Speaker 1: the percentage? How many people would say, sure, that sounds good.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go do it. And how many would just say, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not interested. I mean, do you have how often
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  Speaker 1: when you would ask the girls answer? It was usually
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  Speaker 1: girls that I brought the girls that I had brought,
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  Speaker 1: like the first five girls say, I would say, listen,
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  Speaker 1: you know, recruit your girlfriends and would go down the line,
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  Speaker 1: recruit your girlfriends and I will pay you guys. So
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  Speaker 1: if I was off the wall, say I was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: at a club or something and I was like, hey, girl,
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  Speaker 1: you want to go? They'd be like, you're crazy, you know? Question,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I wondered. When you approached them, what was
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  Speaker 1: the reaction? Answer, but when I talked to them over
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  Speaker 1: the phone, if it was one of my girlfriends, friends,
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  Speaker 1: or one of their friends, I would tell them exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And they'd be like, okay, you know, and some girls
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  Speaker 1: weren't comfortable with it. You know, how our morals are
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. If you're comfortable with your body, if you're
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  Speaker 1: comfortable with giving an old man a massage for 200 bucks.
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  Speaker 1: Question for 30 minutes. Answer, you know, everybody is a
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  Speaker 1: different person. Question, sure. Answer, but most of the girls
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  Speaker 1: were like, yeah, sure. Vilafana, question, did you ever say
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  Speaker 1: anything about, you know, be careful who you talk to
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  Speaker 1: about this? Or I guess I'm wondering why, you know,
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  Speaker 1: were rumors going around at school or how did everyone
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  Speaker 1: keep everything under wraps? Answer, everybody knew. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody made jokes about it. Like it was not in school.
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  Speaker 1: It was more like in my neighborhood. They would call
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  Speaker 1: me Heidi Fleish and everybody just made jokes about it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It wasn't, but I didn't care. Question, right? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't if you didn't get out. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't really a big thing to me at all. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm wondering, you know, kind of, the way
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  Speaker 1: that this all came out was finally a parent found
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  Speaker 1: out about it. Answer, yeah, I heard. Question, and went ballistic.
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  Speaker 1: How did you keep the girl's parents from finding out? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, probably embarrassing. They obviously liked Jeffrey that
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  Speaker 1: much that they didn't tell anyone. Question, did anyone hassle
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  Speaker 1: you at school? Did anybody call you Heidi Fleisch at school? Answer. No,
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  Speaker 1: I was out of school by then. Question. When did
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  Speaker 1: you drop out of school? Answer. Well, actually, why? Question.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I interrupted you. Answer. Because no, you didn't. Well,
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  Speaker 1: my mother had took me out of school to homeschool
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  Speaker 1: me and then I had went back to school because
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  Speaker 1: I was really behind because she didn't homeschool me and
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  Speaker 1: I got pregnant. That's why. And that's in the 11th grade.
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  Speaker 1: That's when I got out because I was pregnant. And
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  Speaker 1: I decided that I was, I mean, I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what I was doing. I wanted to have a house.
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to have this baby. I need
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  Speaker 1: to have a house, a car. And I set out
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  Speaker 1: all my goals and that's what happened. But then I
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  Speaker 1: ended up getting my GED and I have a life.
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  Speaker 1: Agent Richards, question. Were there ever any girls that came
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  Speaker 1: to you wanting to work over there that said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to go over there and make 200? Did
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  Speaker 1: you have any of that? Answer, yeah. Question, do you
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  Speaker 1: remember any of their names or their classmates? Answer, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't involved in school so much. It was just
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  Speaker 1: some girl in the school. Question, okay. So she was
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  Speaker 1: really the only like school related? Answer, like person from school? Yeah. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: But it was mostly out of school. So I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: really hanging out with the best crowd and all the
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  Speaker 1: people that I did hang out with, they were dropouts.
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  Speaker 1: So it wasn't anything in school. It was mostly like
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood people or my friend, one of my guy friends,
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  Speaker 1: girlfriends or whatever. You know, we were all young and stupid. Question,
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  Speaker 1: anything else? Do you have any questions for us, for me? Answer, no,
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  Speaker 1: but I hope. I hope Jeffrey, nothing happens to Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: because he's an awesome man and it would really be
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  Speaker 1: a shame. It's a shame that he has to go
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  Speaker 1: through this because he's an awesome guy and he didn't
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  Speaker 1: do anything wrong. Nothing. Question. Are you in love with
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  Speaker 1: him at all? Answer. My God, no. I love him
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  Speaker 1: as a friend. I love him as a friend. He
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  Speaker 1: has done so much for me. No, I'm not in
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  Speaker 1: love with him. I tell Jeffrey, do you want to
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  Speaker 1: marry me with all that money that you have? Agent Richards.
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  Speaker 1: All right. At this time, we're going to conclude the interview.
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  Speaker 1: It's 534 by my watch. Mr. Eisenberg. The only thing
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  Speaker 1: we'll correct is that there might have been a reference
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  Speaker 1: to an old guy at 50 and we'll just say
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: a more mature individual who was in his 50s. Thank you. Alright,
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  Speaker 1: so that's going to wrap up the interview with Jane
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  Speaker 1: Doe 2 and Marie Villafana. All of the information that
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